Episode 09: Obsess much?

Cambridge and was Sean is a weird new way media Podcasts's much Hello and Welcome to Cambridge and was Shan, a podcast by two weird guys about the weird things that they like. I'm Mark Bigley and I am Ronnie, otherwise known as Sclevator on the YouTube's YouTube's a lord yeah with the hipp lingo yeah, smash that like button, like and subscribe. It's so annoying. I know. Today we're continuing the path of lost and found items, which started with the one plastic rock ball a rock It's like a ball on our bonus episode.

Ronnie, you mentioned something that I believe is going to be your first topic of the day. That's correct, and then that inspired me to look for another mystery item from my path that is part of a larger discussion. But I'm going to work backwards here. Since I already acquired this thing, I'm gonna go ahead and talk about it, and then the bigger obsession that it is a part of will be something we get into when we talk about bands and music at some point. I'm assuming in the second season.

Let's see, we recorded the one plastic rock ball bonus episode on the thirteenth. You mentioned a item on that episode that you have been trying to find for a long time, and then I believe it was the next day you texted me that you had discovered what it was. I'm telling you the day after that, because I was inspired by that, I thought, Okay, I've got these other two mystery things that I still haven't solved. I'm going to look for it, and I figured that one out. All that said, why don't you take us back to what that item or concept was that you brought up on the one Plastic rock Ball episode.

It's really funny and strange how when we mentioned something on this show it enters the zeitgeist and then emerges in some way, Like you mentioned right after the day after we recorded that episode, I had mentioned in the episode that I was looking for a particular song and this song was on a punk compilation CD that I got from this This I didn't include in that episode, but I bought it at a really tiny record store up in Oakhurst, where I went to high school, which is a small town above Fresno. This little record store was run by this guy. He was a little bit older than me. He really led me down a really cool path of discovering new bands and bands that were emerging right at the moment, but also bands that were significant in the late seventies early eighties and establishing the hardcore punk movement and stuff.

This is a funny aside. He and I had a radio show on an AM station up there and oak Hurst for about a year and we would just play like old school punk and then some new stuff and weird things that I was finding, Like I would be the one to throw on like a song by Captain Beefheart, and he would be the one to throw on a song by Black Flag. But it was a fun show, like it was called the Brian and Ronnie Show. I don't know if I ever told you this, Mark, Did I tell you this? No?

I don't recall this, but yeah, my comment was clever title for a show. Yeah, yeah, that's right right, It's almost it's definitely a little less clever than Cambridge and Was Shawn, which I think Cambridge and Was Shawn is a pretty great and clever title. By the way, it's deep cut. I had a compilation CD and I wasn't sure what it was called because I couldn't remember what it was called. And that's one of the things that my brain has done to me in the recent years.

It's lost a lot of material in the past, so skating accidents, skating accidents, and god knows what else. The CD. I thought it was one of these punk compilations that were fairly popular, and I kept looking at those punkulump punk compilations and noticing they were all pretty much like new school punk, and as really not. I've never been into new school punk. It's I guess it's not new school anymore.

What would it just be called the punk now? I was never a huge fan of No Effects in Green Day and those those bands showed up a lot on those later compilations, so I was trying to figure out what this one compilation was. Have you mentioned the song yet? I have not yet. Okay, the song you can keep a secret if that's what you were doing.

Yeah, sometimes I do that. I start talking about something movie and I'm like, I never said the title of the movie. I was, yeah, I'm getting there, Okay. I thought it was a hooscrew do song. Something in me, I'm ninety percent sure this is a whoscrew Dow song.

Man that was I was, you know, listening to these compilations, I just could not find the hooscrew Dow song that I was looking for. So I went through all of their catalog what I thought was all of their catalog, and then I happened upon Faster and Louder Volume two on YouTube. That was sort of pushing a button for me, like that was maybe where I needed to be headed. I read that title, I was like that, I think is the title of the compilation, but it wasn't Volume two. Finally I decided to go on to discogs.

I don't know why it took me so long to figure out that, because I could not find Faster and Louder Volume one anywhere else until I went to Discogs. Found discogs listing of Faster and Louder Volume one, and sure enough, the name of the hooscrew Doo song was a song called Statues, which was a single came out on an EP, which makes sense why I wasn't able to find it when listening through their albums. So then I typed in statues who screw Do on YouTube immediately popped up. I was transported to that place. You know that feeling, right if you had the similar feeling with the rock Ball.

I spent a lot of time listening to that song, but also listening to the other songs on that record. So Dad Kennedy's are on their Bad Brains, Circle Jerks, Suicidal Tendencies, the Dicks, Angry, Simonan's, Meetman, SSD Red Cross, d O Way, Really Read the Stains, Government Issue, Mission of Burma, whoskre Do, the Urinals, and Bobby Socks And I listened to this album on constant repeat. It must have been soft my sophomore year of high school. The three songs That's How I Escaped my certain fate by Mission Oburma, Statues and I'm a Bug by the Urinals. I listened to those mostly.

I don't know why I liked those three songs, but they were grouped together on the CD toward the end that and of course I loved Dead Kennedy, So Holiday in Cambodia is one of my favorite songs. But that, aside Statues is an amazing song. I'm surprised that it's not part of their catalog because it was an EP or a single, and I guess only who screw New fans really sort of appreciate it. But it's an epic song. It's simple.

At the time, I was in a band in high school. It was. It was one of my first bands, called leftovers, because we were all the outliers of the band community at my high school. So we were the leftover guys that weren't in other people's bands, and I tried so hard to convince these guys to play statues. It was really simple.

It was a really easy bass line for me to learn, and the lyrics were simple enough for me to remember, which was a big deal for me back then. And so this isn't a recent problem, No, it's it's been around for a while. I was a drama nerd a little bit in high school and I had a huge problem remembering lines. Part of it was that I just didn't care back then. Now it's just I have a hard time remembering things.

But yeah, I tried to convince them to play it. We planned one concert and they didn't want to play it. We did some other crappy songs and it was not a great performance. I've heard from friends since then, Oh that's nice. Yeah, they were when you guys played.

I was in another band later on, and I saw a friend of mine from high school we played in San Francisco and they showed up to the concert and they were like, this was so much better than what I saw you do in high school. And I was like, thank you for that honesty. Yeah. Yeah. So since then, I've been listening to that song.

I've been listening to Hohosker do a lot more, mission of Burma a lot more, but that song, I just it does something special for me, and I'm so happy to have found it. I am planning to get next paycheck. I'm going to try and get faster and louder Volume one add it to my collection. There only seemed to be only a few copies out there. Anxious to snag one.

Serious, You can't access that disc online? You mean like to order it? Well, to download that and put it on your phone. Yeah, I don't want to do that. I want to have the CD.

I really want to have the CD. I love. If you have Apple Music, you could go get all the songs and create a compilation on your phone. I know I've already been listening to a little bit of that stuff on Apple Music. The truck that I drive around is two thousand and two.

It doesn't have the capability to link up WiFi, Bluetooth, Bluetooth thing. I want to get the CD so I can put it in the CD player. I also want to get the CD just so I can have the object, because I really do feel like they're standable albums. Are you know, whether they're vinyl or they're on CD. I just love the physical media.

I love the little booklets. I love being able to hear the motorcycle out there. No, your voice did something really bizarre anyway? Sorry, that scary. That's for you folks because this is October now and this airs and they want to hear it.

I think it was just my airbuds. But anyway, that's funny. Have you contacted Region Records to see if they have it in stock? Oh, that's a good idea. I didn't even think about that.

You never know, that's funny. I never think about those guys. They are in town and Tower Records. We have an area in Fresno called the Tower District, and that's what this record store is named for. It's not connected with the old Tower Records, right.

That confuses anybody. We do not have a Tower Records here anymore anymore. Now, and that first Tower Records that we had that was over there near that movie theater that used to show the Arthouse films. That Tower Records was an epic tower, like it was a small space. Tower Records ruled.

They ruled, right, I mean they had like as did the video store. Yeah, two Doors Down or whatever, And that's great. That was a great version of Tower Records. Okay, I have another question for you. Yeah, did you have this on tape or CD back then?

It was one of the first. So I remember that year, my sophomore year of high school, I got a CD player for Christmas or my birthday or something, and I was really into The Doors and I was really into early I was really starting to get into punk rock and sonic Youth and Faster and Louder Volume one was one of the first ten CDs that I bought. There was a couple of Doors albums and Faster and Louder. We'll have to talk about the Doors sometime. Oh my gosh, right, that was certainly an obsession I went through.

Better write that down. I have mixed feelings about, you know, because part of that was stemmed from the movie, which I just wrote down Obsession instead of the Doors, Door Obsession. I'm glad I caught myself because I would have looked at that and go, why did I write down obsession? I'm telling you my problems are are contagious marks. You know, be careful.

That was one of the first CDs that I bought. So what happened to it as the follow up? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what happens to that CD. There were periods of time in my twenties and into my thirties where I made really dumb decisions based on monetary need of selling stuff off.

I would take bunches of CDs to the record stores, sell them or trade on. My biggest regret was is to this day, selling off my entire comic book collection. Well, yeah, which was We will get into that eventually. Oh yeah, I mean something that every kid goes through, almost every kid. Yeah, when I this is a little aside, But I went to Heroes Comics in Town.

That's where I sold my comics too. I went in there and I was looking for some early, really early Masters of the Universe comics that I had back then. I found deep in their archives copy of one of them. I feel like it might be mine. Hey, that's the really I got it I just had a feeling like some of the damage looked a little bit familiar to me.

You never can tell, never can tell? Now you can cue that song? Never can tell? Is it the name of that song? I don't know.

I'm going to write that down though, I don't even know what song you're talking about, the pulp fiction soundtrack. Oh, I can't remember it. For years trying to find literally from about early two thousands up until a couple of weeks ago, trying to find this song by whoskre Do. Every once in a while I would pop up in my brain, wouldn't be able to find it when searching whatever version of the internet. Throughout these last twenty something years.

It's been a long journey and it's a huge relief to have found it. And I can always haven't written, just drop my new punt. I haven't written down now, so I won't ever forget it again. You ever written? Yeah, you can go back and listen to this episode if you need to.

Yes, thank goodness for this. It is that one. It's not even really that one thing. Because you didn't have any new search terms. You were still looking for the same thing, possibly a Whosker Doo song from some punk compilation and why it shook loose this time?

Who knows? It's so weird, right, And my story is similar, same with the plastic rock ball, same with a couple other things the other I think I cut that out of the bonus episode when I mentioned, you know, I have like four or five things that I have discovered, thought about, and then discovered still had a couple that I hadn't. It's really odd how sometimes it's by total chance, and then sometimes it's just looking maybe a little deeper somewhere to the left instead of to the right. That's kind of what happened with that Saturday Night Live coffee book for me, which I had looked for and had found, you know, multiple times. I just didn't think that it was that Rolling Stone book it was.

Or sometimes you have no idea and randomly we'll see something on the internet, which is what happened with two of the other things that I discovered or refound that we'll talk about eventually. The term you used was shaking it loose, and I feel like that's probably the most appropriate term for this, because you can shake the tree ten times and in our case, probably hundreds of times, and then but you shake it that one extra time, you do it a different way, or it's a different tree, or if it's a different tree. And I don't know why I never thought of discogs. Why didn't I ever think of discogs? To me, that's perplexing.

My brain should have known that I'm aware of discogs. I wouldn't have thought of that because I music for me as a different kind of thing. Yeah, like I have the things that I like that I've liked for forty five years. Yeah, for me, it's more like I forget about those songs and then I hear them again. And then you're in a car or something, especially in the old days when you were just listening to the radio, and so you're waiting for the DJ to come on and say that was blah blah blah by the who who Who's Even if that happens, you forget about it when you get home.

Yeah, totally. Nowadays, we're watching movies or we're watching a TV show and a song will come on that I remember really liking, and so I shazam it, shazam shazam holds onto that and then I can go get on the computer, get on Apple Music brows for that and if they have it there, it is. It's on my phone now. I did that with a Ministry song that I didn't even know was a Ministry song that I had taped off of the radio back in the eighties. Yes, I've never listened to Ministry in my life, but for some reason, this song must have been pretty popular at the time, and I remember having heard it, and when a song would come on, I would like rush to put the tape in and hit record yeah.

And so it was on a compilation that had all kinds of weird stuff on it. I think we heard it in the car in Curlyda's car on Sirius XM, so I could look, go, oh, that's this. I didn't even remember the title of the song by Ministry. When I got home, I put it on my phone. God, that's so cool.

It has to be brought back to my attention for me to remember. I couldn't go, oh, yeah, I had this punk song or this tape from the early nineties or eighties or whatever. It's got to come back into my brain and then these days I can capture it a lot better and find it and have it. What's really difficult, like with your rock your plastic rock ball. What's really difficult is when you have an idea of something that you can't quite It's like a dream state, you know how those dreams where you want to punch somebody but you can't, your arms don't work.

You want to say something but you can you can't get the words out. Then I wake up in the middle night and say the word and my wife's blood. What's going on with you? For me, it's always kicking a soccer ball. I don't know, an anxious thing where like I'm I gotta kick the ball and you can't do it.

I can't do it that rock ball thing. It's so clear now that you have it in your hand right now that you can probably hold that ball, and you found the appropriate terminology to search for it online. It's that revelatory moment where you're like, this is it. I found it, But up until then, you're in that dream state. I knew there was a cool bassline in it.

I knew that the song started with a bassline, but how many who screw do songs start with the bassline? Well, now I know it's about five. I knew it was a repeated bassline, just like you knew it was a lumpy ball, but is it rubber? Is it hollow? Is the song an early who Screw Do?

Song? Is the song a later who screw Do song? It's all anomalous until it just clicks and you shaked it that new tree or that old tree or whatever, and it finally pops out and there it is and reveals itself. It's such a cool feeling. I hope that other people You and I are kind of we are not kind of You and I are obsessives.

I kind of love that. I love that part of my personality because it allows me hours and hours of interesting journeys. And I wonder if there are people out there that are not that way. Oh yeah, what kind of moments do they have where they're like, yes, I feel so good to discover that or learn that, And I hope that they do in some way. You know, I know there are people that aren't.

Yeah, it's true, one of us, one of us. If you're listening to this, you're probably one of us. There's a lot of guys our age who are. But yeah, yeah, it's kind of like that thing, just finding out about people that what is it People that don't have internal monologues. Oh yeah, that's one of them.

And then there's other people that can't picture things. Yeah, that's a really strain and I'm thinking, wow, I can't imagine not being able to do that. So just the fact you said I can't even imagine is kind of a joke on visualize, I think is the term. Yeah, you can't visualize an apple, You just know what an apple is. Something to that effect, and it's like, what, what a fascinating condition.

Apparently it's not that uncommon. So yeah, well, thank goodness for the Internet. That's all I have to say. Yeah, that has helped me solve a number of these mysteries. Yeah, just out of the blue.

We'll get to those. I won't talk about them again, but eventually I have those on my list for a hopefully theme episode. If you have any of those other things otherwise, I'll just bring them up on different episodes. If you have more statues by Hoosker to new stories, I'm sure I do, but of course I can't think of them right now because they're buried in the dream the dream world. Yeah, there's always something to obsess about.

Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited to talk about my second thing because that's another thing. What's on your list? Mark? You've kept this from me a little bit. Yeah, I like to be secretive.

Yeah. Man, my throat is really bad today. Sorry. People. If anybody listens to wake up Heavy, they're used to me.

I mean a scratchy boys. But well, the air has been really bad here in the valley. I think that's part of it. And the windows are open yep. Along with the forty something year old mystery items, this was one that you shook loose because of this whoskroduce story, and I thought, Okay, I'm going to give this another go.

The over arcing is it arcing or arching? Over arching arcing? I think okay. The overarching obsession that this belongs to is the Beatles, which was a pretty pretty big one or a lot of years still one of my all time favorite bands absolutely so that started in nineteen eighty when John Lennon was murdered. I think, like you, when I get into something, I really get into something, not necessarily every single thing becomes a major obsession.

But if I really get into something, then I want to learn about it as much as possible. That usually involves finding books on the subject, especially back then in the early eighties. I wasn't going to be able to go to a video store maybe and locate videos to watch on a subject, or look something up on the Internet, or look something up on Xfinity where I can type in the search term and see if something pops up. It's books and the source material, the material of the thing that you're obsessed with. So in this case, it would be albums for the Beatles.

But I had two or three different books. This one in particular is one that I remember pouring over constantly, just like that SNL book. A lot of the pictures from that book I recall as being unique, like I wouldn't see them other places. So again, this is a coffee table book that came out in the seventies. I don't know what it is about nineteen seventies coffee table books, but apparently I had a number of them.

Alien I've already talked about Pink Floyd the Walls coffee table sized book SNL, and then this one on the Beatles. Hey, Hey, you know what would make a great coffee table book? A coffee table book about coffee tables. Get it. As per usual, over the years, I have searched for seventies beetles, coffee table book.

I don't know what other term we use instead of coffee table like, what oversized books? What the proper term is. I think oversized books, oversized folio. Yeah, so I always use coffee table book because of that Seinfeld episode or storyline. And you type something that vegue in, you get all these different books, and I knew that none of the ones that I would see were it.

And I thought, I don't know how to narrow this down because I don't remember the title. Just like you with the Hoosker Doo song, I wouldn't have any idea who the author was. I just know it was an oversized book paperback about the Beatles. So that day, after you found out what the song was you were looking for, went ahead typed in that common search term again and just kept getting the complete Beatles and the new get back of course, companion piece to that whole thing, looking looking, looking, nothing's catching my eye. I'm not sure what possessed me to do this, but I started seeing auction listings for collections of music books in general and Beatles books in particular, and it was just the spines, and I thought, okay, well, I'm going to start looking here and see if a title catches my eye.

So I clicked on a couple of the images, like Beatles from A to Z. No, that doesn't ring a bell. I know it's not the complete Beatles. I know what that is, and it's not that. Definitely not the new get back thing.

It's not a lyric book, which a lot of them were, or a sheet music collection of their songs. It's none of that. I know that. Kind of like you've mentioned with eBay, when you click on something down below, others bought these items or other customers liked this, and so I would click on something and then look to the side and below that item and see another stack of spines. So I clicked on a couple of those, was reading through the titles, dismissing them.

Finally clicked on one, looking through the titles, and I see growing Up with the Beatles, and that immediately set me spinning because I thought, hold on, Literally my brain stopped in its tracks for me and said, the book that you had wasn't just a Beatles biography. It was the author's biography about his time growing up with the Beatles. Yeah. I immediately put that title in the search bar and clicked it. The whole page was just the cover of this book.

Immediate recognition with the picture on the book, let me grab it real quick. And I say that because it's an odd picture that I have never seen replicated anywhere else of them. Oh, younger, this is probably sixty four ye in these red and white check like gingham button down shirts, all with black ties holding roses. That is such an odd Yeah, that is sure of them. Who knows how many thousands of pictures they took for the magazines, the fan magazines and all that covers kind of all over the place, because the font choices are strange and like the is a little bit these that in the middle there is.

Yeah, the Beatles name itself sort of replicates what was on the drum set. Right. There's tons of copies available on used book sites abs e books, and so I went to eBay, found one for three ninety nine. Nice, got it. It's a decent copy.

There's some stuffs on it, that kind of stuff. I'm not worried. It's just adds to the pedigree of the book, for sure. Got it pretty quickly, opened it up and a couple of things fell out of it. Oh, there's three little notepad sheets.

Interesting and one of them has album titles hard Day's Night, Help all the way down to rock and Roll. And it's interesting these titles because a lot of these are the US title well obviously they're the US titles for the albums, but something like rock and Roll, which is an album I had, was a later seventies compilation of hard rock Beatles songs right Abbey Road. Another one that I had is basically a compilation of singles Mark meant Hey Jude, the compilation album, not Abbey Road, the studio album Late Singles from sixty eight on Meet the Beatles. Well, that's an actual album. They noted some Kansas City Times, Kansas City Times, Ursula kay La Gwin.

That's interesting, I mean. And in the nineteen seventy five Life magazine, which I think was a pretty famous issue, there was a poster in here. I think it's led Zeppelin. It's like Robert Plant from Bananas. Remember I do remember Bananas.

So I got somebody's you know, well loved copy with their notes. Oh that's so cool. Not mine, though, because I don't remember writing anything about the Kansas City Times. I would have made a list of albums to get you didn't have a Zeppelin obsession, not electing posters. I would have never had a led Zeppelin poster from Bananas magazine.

But it's kind of interesting. I'll talk more about the book when I talk about the Beatles obsession. Paging through it, finding some of these weird pictures that I've never seen anybody else. There's a couple of Paul, particularly from Magical Mystery Tour, that I've never seen anywhere else. And it's interesting because the kid was eleven going on twelve when he first heard them in nineteen sixty four, and I was eleven going on twelve when my Beatles obsession started.

And I can see sort of the parallels of how I listened to them over the years with the book and just kind of going chronologically through their discography. Yeah, I'm gonna probably read the book before I use that as a topic. It's really weird how that thought process worked to finally track this thing down, Like, Okay, start looking at the spines, see if something grabs you. Something did and made my brain just like instantly kick in. And then that cover was just I wouldn't have had any I didn't remember the cover until I saw it, remembering that I always thought it was an odd picture.

Even back then, I thought it was an odd picture to use for them or of them. Luckily though, that was you know, way way way down deep in there, so that when I did see it, it just immediately was like, Yeah, that's that weird picture they used that I have never seen anywhere else. That's so similar to go back to Who's could do real quick, but it's so similar to when I saw the name of the song on the screen, I was just like, that's it. I knew it was a one word title. I knew, but my brain, thank goodness, it's not completely shot.

It's like, yes, that is the song, that's it. So you had that moment with the cover of the book that's so cool. Well, and even with the title though, because I didn't remember that. It was that mix of he's telling his story from sixty four to seventy six basically, so there's some post Beatles stuff in there as well. He's telling his story along with you, album releases, single releases, and that kind of maybe not being as interested in the band anymore and then becoming interested again when Pepper comes out.

Blah blah, blah. I didn't remember that aspect of the book at all. And it got me to thinking of another book that I had that was a trivia book, which I still haven't found, but I think I'm close. And then as I was searching on eBay, it actually brought up a book that I totally forgot that I had. But once I saw the cover, I was like, Oh, I had that paperback too.

I'll save all that stuff from when we talk about the Beatles or when I talk about the Beatles. I have a question for you when you were leaking through the book, when you got it in the mail, leafing through it, did that experience come back to you too or was it just a cover? Yeah? No, Yeah, seeing those pictures, those weird pictures, particularly for Magical Mystery Tour, I don't know why those always struck me as odd. Definitely did.

And there's a couple of racy pictures in there. There's one of when John met Yoko and something from one of her art exhibits, and there's well with no pants on you can see her but oh yeah, I was like, oh yeah, I remember coming back, remember seeing that picture all the time, my favorite picture. And then there was another one of a girl holding beatles dolls. I think they're stuffed, and she doesn't have a top on, so you can see a little bit of underboob. Oh, so I remember going back.

I'm looking at that picture quite often. Yeah. Oh, it was exactly the same as looking to that Saturday and Alf book. Like I remember that picture, I remember this page layout weird, and then some pages I don't recall at all, Like it's fascinating. When the memories are strong, they're very strong.

Yeah. I had the same experience that this book of horses that my aunt used to have. I used to look at it compulsively, and then I ran across it at a used bookstore about ten years ago or something. Ran across that same book and it just clicked. Leafing through it.

It was like every image. I wasn't interested in buying it for myself just to have it because I'm not huge into horses, But when I would look at those images as a kid, it would be I was like, Wow, that's it really made an impression. So that I was hoping you would have something similar to that with the images in this book. Oh yeah, yeah, the strong memories definitely hit when I see those pages so this was the question. I think I mentioned this pre recording about bookstores in Telly and wondering back then other than the what did we say b Dalton?

That was in Fashion Fair b Dalton and Fashion Fair Walden Books in Manchester Center, but even before then, do you remember the Upstart Crow in Manchester? Oh? Yeah, because I think that's where I got a lot of these pre be Dalton. My relationship with Upstart Crow was only hearsay. And it's funny too, because my family frequented Manchester because it was close to our house.

I mean it pre dates Fashion fairer by I remember a year so that is where we used to go. Yeah, so I think maybe I was too young, but I've had several family members and friends say remember Upstart Crow, And I think when you and I this is a whole other episode of discussion, but you and I worked at Walden Books together, and I think that's when you first mentioned Upstart Crow to me. I never had the experience of going there to shop, but I kind of wish that I had. Yeah, there's a couple of books that I know I got there, and I'm just curious if this is one of them. But it was really cool.

It was all like wood paneled and cozy, and that's awesome. We didn't go there a ton because I think I did most of my book reading at the library at the Sunnyside branch of the library. But once around this time in the early eighties when I started getting stuff for myself or asked the first stuff. I think it was a lot of upstart crow shopping, and then mid eighties and later, you know, it would have been Beatalt in the mall and fashion fair. It's one of those things that comes up on that lost Fresno and I always forget about it, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, that was a really cool place.

It's a great name for a store, and much more interesting than Walden Books or Beadle, any of the ones that are just named after some dude. Yeah, Beatton, Walden, Barnes and Noble. That's great. And then I think that's where the Red Robin that was in that Maia pretty much took over its space. Oh wow, it had that big space.

I think they expanded into another oh yeah shop as well, but it was in that area where that Robin was. That's cool. According to London Theaterdirect dot com, upstart Crow was used by the critique of Shakespeare by Robert Green. Upstart Crow was used to denote Shakespeare's upward mobility. I knew it was Shakespeare related, but I figured it's probably just a line says here.

Robert Green believed Shakespeare's bombastic writing was unequal to the works of the literary greats. Which it's hilarious because I feel that way about Shakespeare. But it must have been interesting, still talking about today. Most of will being read in every college exactly nation. There's a reason why, right, Like, because this guy was willing to take a risk and push language, and that's why we're still talking about him.

But apparently it would have been interesting to be around at the time because I could see why more conservative critics or more conservative creatives might be like, who is this guy? Who's he think he is? Who's our guy in the cold think he is? Anyways, upstart Crow, that's awesome, cool name. So the next thing on my list?

So what we're gonna say? I was gonna say, what's next on your list? Sort of piggybacks off of the Beatles in a dark way, because nineteen eighty was the year that this movie came out in nineteen eighty was the year that John Lennon was killed. This movie, in many ways sort of marks to begin of a pretty bleak era for us. In rewatching it recently resonates with our current state of things in a lot of ways.

But I don't want to get too deep with this. But the main reason why I chose The Shining by Stanley Kubrick, not the Shining novel by Stephen King, but The Shining, the movie The Shining by Stanley Kubrick as my other obsession. Two reasons why. One is our family thought or I kind of directed us toward this starting the Halloween or the fall season with this movie, I was really excited about that are neither of our daughters had seen The Shining before, and we've been sort of waiting for the right time to show it to them, and so we chose this year and The Shining for me and I know it is for many people sort of a landmark moment as far as watching movies goes. I remember I didn't see it when it came out, obviously, but when my dad brought home like the first VHS copy of it and we watched it on our little TV, I remember feeling like I was part of something totally different from any film I'd ever seen before.

I'd never had that experience until that, that moment where I felt like a movie was activating in me a sense of this is going to sound weird, like esthetic glee, Like I felt like there was something happening in that Wendy Carlos music at the beginning, the mountainscapes and the ominous, the foreboding. But you don't really know how to feel about this Jack Nicholson's you know, later on, as I was watching had Jack Nicholson's performance elevated into this sort of manic, weird thing, all the symmetry, the sound of the big wheel over the carpet, and then the carpet and the tile and the carpet and the tile carpet and the wood floors and the carpet. As a kid, as a young person watching this movie for the first time on a tiny screen, I felt like I was part of something bigger, that movies didn't have to just be entertainment, movies could be art.

I hadn't really had that feeling before until seeing that movie, and it sort of marked an interesting era for me as a young person. And my relationship with my dad would he would then like bring home erase her head and she cut them up like regular chickens. Sure, just cut them up like regular chickens. Other oddball movies that it was like, oh, he little Ronnie likes this weird stuff, so maybe I'll just sort of expose into all the weird stuff. El Topo at eight El Tobo right, Yeah, thank goodness.

I didn't see that until later on that. My dad did have a movie you and I have talked a book called Midnight Movies. He had that book. I would leaf through it and I'd see images of El Tobo and I'd see images of all these things. I have a different Midnight Movies book, but it's about the same movies.

I believe it's there are two different books about the same thing called the same thing, but they're my different authors. Yeah, because I've seen I know the book you're talking about it and I know the one I have, and I'm pretty sure they're different. That's interesting. Maybe they're different editions or I don't think expanded edition versus. Because I've looked it up before and I know that there are two competing books called the same thing.

Yeah, that book was like my dad's version of that book. I would return to that and leaf through those pages. I didn't know what understand half of what I was looking at. I knew that these would be interesting movies to see, but the shining was sort of a remarkable moment for me as a kid, like movies could do something bigger in watching this, but also it marked the beginning of my obsession with Jack Nicholson, which I've already talked about when we talked about Batman nineteen eighty nine. I think it's the most the movie I've returned to the most, that I've probably watched the most in my life.

And it's interesting because I wouldn't say it's my favorite movie of all time, because that fluctuates, but it's definitely up there. It's the perfect movie for this season. Watching it again recently made me realize that, Unfortunately, I don't want to get down here a little bit or political or anything, but I'll try to keep it vague. And unfortunately, the themes in that novel, in that book, in that movie, Sorry, the themes in that movie are relevant now, are still relevant. I don't think they will ever be irrelevant.

Unfortunately, it's really too bad one of the so doing a little research, I was seeing why Stephen King didn't really like the Stanley Kubrick version, and part of that is that he Stephen King. At the end of the novel, if I remember correctly, Jack sort of redeems himself by burning the hotel down right, And to me, I feel like maybe the movie is more important because it doesn't take that turn as you just said, that perhaps this problem cannot be resolved or won't be completely resolved, and that toxic masculinity will always sort of be an issue, and that the most haunting aspect of that film is that even though Jack is dead, he's still around. The spirit is still not just in the overlook, but like everywhere.

I thought that was a really interesting thing to sort of rediscover and watching it now as a forty seven year old guy in this current era we're living in. And the other issues that King had were with the depictions by Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duval of those characters, and he saw them differently, and they are different in the book. But I think a lot of the critique of Jack Nicholson is that, oh, well, you know, he's crazy from the beginning, but it's like, that's just because you're you've seen him act crazy in other movies. I think you're right there, And when you have a three hundred and something page book, you can take a lot longer to get him up to that level. In two plus hour movie, even though it is longer than most horror movies, you got to get to it quicker.

Yeah, he kind of can't help how his eyebrows are. Right. The thing that I prefer though about the Shelley Duval character is that and his critique is that she's way too weak for way too long. He saw Wendy is more not standing up to because she was through a lot in the book as well, a lot of abuse and things. But I again think that it hits a little bit harder in the movie because you don't think that this woman can stand up for herself.

She keeps her and Danny alive. Yeah, and so that turn for me means a bit more in the movie. Yeah, in the film, it's kind of an unexpected turn because you kind of it's really smartly done. There are hints at her strength even from the very beginning, but it's not overt and then at the end she's driving that SnowCat off the premises with no hesitation. I didn't read up a little bit on this about Stephen King's interpretation of Wendy in the movie as being weak.

If the strength is too overt, then you're not scared for the potential success of the outcome. You have to be worried about her. You have to be worried about her and Danny, and both her and Annie are, despite being in a tumultuous situation, are essentially holding their own Throughout the entire film. Wendy has sort of a Shelley Duval. Wendy is so hopeful that shit's not going to get weird all the way up until the moment where shit starts getting weird.

And that kind of seems very realistic to me, that a person would be like in denial to the point of the in denial, right up to the point where they can't be in denial anymore, and how that's a breakdown for her, like she breaks down because of that. I have another theory. I don't know if I posited this on my Stephen King series when I talk about the book. In the movie, so many of King's characters are loose versions of him. They're almost all teachers struggling to be ris.

I mean, I don't know how many of his league characters are that person. And if anybody knows anything about King, he was an alcoholic for a number of years and was not nice to his family during that time. If I'm not mistaken, he did something similar to his son Joe as a child, you know, the whole arm wrenching thing. So I think he still sees Jack as a substitute for himself, and that may color why he didn't like that the character wasn't redeemed. Yeah, it's almost a personal affront.

This is total conjecture on my part, but I could see that being something like pay He didn't give him a out in the end to be not seen as a total villain. Even though it's conjecture, I think it's pretty You might be hitting the nail on the head because the mini series that came out on TV it's Stephen King produced. It follows the book more closely. It shows that redemption at the end sometimes tell a hard truth. Sometimes we need to leave it open ended.

You can tell the story of an alcoholic and have it end at AA and everything's better to tell the story of an alcoholic to leave out the AA and everything is better at the end still tells the Grimm's Fairy Tales version of it, which is, this is the part of a person that you need to be aware of, dear reader, and watch out, and that that's to me what the Shining does. The film The Shining does as opposed to the novel. But the main reason why I wanted to bring it up was because of the aesthetics of that movie, the clothing, the cinematography, the music, the interiors. It's the reason why the movie There Will Be Blood is one of my favorite movies. Also, There Will Be Blood can't exist without the Shining.

When I saw There Will Be Blood in the theater, I was like, this is so good. Why is it so good? And then rewatching The Shining, I was like, oh, yeah, that's why. That's why there's so many nods to the Shining in that. I still have a hard time the first time I found out that all of the interiors of The Overlook were sets.

It still kind of boggles my mind because they're they're just so massive. I don't really know why a person. I know why Kubrick did it because of the lighting and wanted to create a particular kind of mood, and if you're shooting a hotel, it's already there. You can't really, you don't really have so much control. Well, he wanted to stay in England, and really that's what it comes down.

Yeah, he's not gonna He didn't come back to the States to film anything once he was there, which was started in I think for two thousand and one. Yeah, he never came back. Yeah, that's true. That's why even in Eyes Wide Shut, why Tom Cruise is walking in New York, but he's walking on a fake New York thing with rear projection. Yeah, it's not in New York.

I think that's fascinating, and I think it adds to the magic of what we're looking at on the screen because everything is controlled. And I can see why that would be beneficial just lighting alone. But look up how they did the overhead shot. If you don't know already of the maze, and it'll blow your mind. Yeah, because it's perfect and this is prett computer Yeah, yeah, graphics proof that you can make a movie without any of that and still have it be terrifying.

I talked briefly with our youngest at the end of watching it last night, and she was saying, oh, I thought it would be scarier, and I was like, yeah, you're right. If you're we're talking about jump scares and what we're used to seeing now in horror movies, and how the psychological terror of that movie, just the tension building is something that is missing from a lot of newer films, even missing from Halloween, which I think was the same year, right, it wasn't the first Halloween two years two years later, earlier, oh earlier, that's right. It accomplishes a kind of terror, but it also accomplishes a kind of beauty. I could just listen to that movie and feel inspired by the types of sounds that the movie produces.

Edit out all of Jack Nicholson's dialogue, edit out all the dialogue, and just listen to the sounds of that film. It's really beautiful. Edit out all the scenes with people, and just look at the sets and look at the photography. It's art, you know, it's beautiful. And as a kid, I knew something about that, and for some reason it really struck an important chord for me, and I was obsessed with it.

Pile that on with my obsession with Jack Nicholson and watching Going South and every you know, every going back all the way to his Roger Corman movie and really doing a deep dive with him. The Shining sort of started all that, reinforced by Tim Burton's Batman. It's a good way to start the Halloween season. We showed it to Clio. I showed it to Cleo a couple of years ago, maybe for the first time.

It creepd her out. It must have been at least a couple of years ago, because she was still getting kind of spooked by stuff. I think it was mainly the bathroom scene, because it isn't that scary. I think it's one that if you didn't see it when you were I'm not talking about when it came out everything, but if you didn't see it when you were too young to really see it, yeah, or you shouldn't have seen it. It may not have because I remember being scared by it when I saw it.

I don't know if it was on TV first. Probably was on TV first. I remember it scaring me. I wouldn't describe it these days as a scary movie either, but those damned Twins man. Oh yeah, freak hunting out, Hunting freaked me out.

They don't look right. I hate to say that, but they don't look right. Their faces don't look right. And part of its lighting and stuff like that, I know, but they have odd faces and it was creepy to me anytime they should in that movie. And it's an overall feeling of dread more than he wasn't interested in doing a scary movie necessarily and didn't really know the tools that we're being employed for the typical slasher or some things like that.

Just a couple months ago, I was like, I've been having a feeling I need to watch The Shiner again. Want to Should I watch it without your I don't know, let's watch it. It works for her. And then we watched Doctor Sleep. I still haven't seen Doctor Sleep yet.

And it carries those themes though that you're talking about, of Jack still being there everywhere, because that's when Danny struggles through the whole movie. Is that shadow of his father, the shadow of the father. That's just the human I feel like a huge part of just the human dilemma in general, the shadow of the Father. Yeah, I understand where Steven it is coming from, but I prefer the way the Shining pulls that story to a close. The movie, yeah, the movie, yeah, sorry, the movie The Shining pulls that story to a close, which is not a close.

It's not there's no closure. There's just this is the deal. Folks, be aware of it. I don't know if you remember this. When we talked about Suspiria years ago on Lane on Wake Up Heavy, I asked you, like I asked everybody that guests on there, when did you see this first?

And you mentioned it was at the Satellite Union at First of the State, which I was there for two. Did you see this one when they showed her at the satellite Union? Yeah? I think we went. But do you remember what happened?

Didn't it break down or something? And not? It was in the reel. I don't think it was backwards, but it was reversed. Oh it was like that's right.

It was either upside down and reversed or backwards, Henry, which it was. Actually, it was so disorienting because it's like, wait a minute, film runs backwards. You can kind of, I mean, everything's still positioned correctly right, and you go, oh, this is running backwards. But it wasn't that. It was like flipped.

It had been wound the last time. Whoever, I don't even know how you managed to do that. It was it was flipped the wrong way, right, So I don't we didn't end up seeing it because they couldn't fix it quickly enough. That's right. I remember that now, and I was really pissed off.

I remember that too. I think I remember that more than actually what really happened. Well, I mean, you know what, two bucks or something, probably I seed at the Satellite Union. That's right. But you know, you go see a movie like that on the big screen, you want you want it to be a good experience.

There's nothing like watching that movie on the big screen. I can't know, let me rephrase it. I imagine there's nothing like watching that on the big screen. Because I still haven't seen it on the big screen, you, mister Chance a couple of years ago, because if played again. Oh really, my nephew went and saw it.

Oh yeah, it played here. I'm sure it'll happen again. This is airing airing in October. I thought it's a good way to sort of launch into the season with that obsession of mine. Yeah, and I didn't pick a spooky theme because I have a whole show devoted to horror movie seeks.

Go listen to that on where newaymedia dot com. It's right wake Up Heavy. For wake Up Heavy, I'm sure at some point I will get into that because it was and is an obsession of mine horror movies in general. It'd be interesting to hear you talk about your relationship to horror, just sort of in general, like a little overview of how it began, and what are the markers, like, what are the what are the marks on the map for you? Are that will always be there?

Again, most of that is on wick up. That's right, bugs, go back and listen. Yeah, maybe next year for the October show will actually do a full on theme Yeah, of spooky stuff. M I gotta talk to a few spooky things like the Monster Movie Book and oh yeah look up kit and things like that. Will always return to that because that's something that drives the both of us very true.

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So what's next on your list? Well, I don't have a new item to talk about. I am continuing my one plastic rock Balls saga because some more things popped up out of the ether, out of the zeitgeist, and I think on that bonus episode, I said, the whole thing of this is when is another one going to roll around another twenty years? I gotta waita when I'm seventy something, right. Well, I didn't have to wait another twenty years.

I only had to wait about a couple of weeks. We recorded that bonus episode and I put it out pretty quickly. A couple of days later, I think the next week sometime, well, let me see, it was on August twenty fourth, so not quite two weeks later. Sitting on my couch scrolling through Facebook. It's about all I do on Facebook these days is look at my feed and see if anything interesting pops up.

A post from that vintage action figure and toy page popped up, and it was a group of pictures of fourteen of these plastic rock balls, and I thought, what in the world the gal was asking? Can anyone help me identify these? I got them in a large lot of serial premiums. I went to respond, saw some people had already replied. One person that had replied to that previous one posted the same commercial.

People keep going back to that commercial, even though it's the incorrect version, still the same idea. And then a couple of people chimed in and I was like, man, I'm shooting my shot. So I mentioned, oh, yeah, it's this and I had one as a kid, and I've been trying to track them down. If you're selling any police, let me know. A couple of other people did the same thing, and I finally saw a response from the gal saying I'm not selling them right now, just trying to sort through this whole lot of premiums blah blah blah.

So I'm like, okay, well we'll see. I'm gonna keep checking eBay because if she sells them, that's most likely where they're going. So I think the next day use my saved search terms and popped two different auctions from the same seller, one for the blue version and one for the gray version. And the blue version they were selling multiples of and I ignored it because that's the one that I had gotten and talked about on that bonus episode, and these were by it Now auctions, which made me happy. Yeah, but the price was a little high still, so I went ahead and made an offer, offer, got accepted, my money was withdrawn immediately it got shipped, and I think on that same day, on this other gal's post on that Facebook page, a guy had chimed in.

Coincidentally, I got these in a large serial premium lot and it was the bouncy version, so now I had a picture of the bouncy version to look at him. They are different sculpes, completely different textures, and when I saw that, I kind of thought and I don't think I mentioned this to you. And I was like, you know what, I may have had one of those two because it was striking a lot of receptors in my brain and it just wasn't as interesting to me as a kid if I did have one, because it's definitely not the one that I've thought about for forty something years. It did look familiar, so then I'm thinking, Okay, did the same thing. Hey, Well, actually I DMed him on Facebook.

I'm like, I'm not posting on this threat and more said apologies if this is uncool to send something out of the blue, but if you're selling any of those bouncy balls, I'd be interested. He didn't respond. So anyway, back to the eBay listings, I saved them and kept looking and waiting to see if I could figure out if this was the same gal who just the day before had said she wasn't going to be selling them right away, and I felt like no because it had happened so quickly. But as time went on and more or one more auction of hers came up for a set of the three, so you would get a blue one, the gray one, and the brown one as a set. By it now I was thinking, man, this is a really big coincidence for this person on eBay to have multiples.

Obviously of the blue one, I believe I got the only gray one that was up as a solo auction, and now we've got another set with a blue one, another gray one, and the brown one. And in this picture from Facebook, the gal had ten blue ones, three gray ones, and only one brown one. And in the listing it said this is the only set I will be selling because there is only one brown available, or this is the only way to get a brown one, or something to that effect, and I thought, this is really coincidental, and I think I mentioned to you. I'm like, now I'm not so convinced that it's the same person. Yea.

At some point, some knucklehead posted the closed auction that I had won previously to let this person know, like this is how much you can get for these. I'm like, oh, yeah, you can look for ended auctions closed auctions sold. So I did that and discovered that sometime in July two of the bouncy ball versions sold, and I was like, that's after I was searching for these with correct terms, So how did that slip by me? It's weird how this all popped up. Now would I have seen any of this without?

For one thing, I wouldn't have seen her post if I hadn't joined that group, which I joined because of Jeff cluing me in on the other post on there. But if I had just kept searching after I mentioned it on that episode, would I have come across not only the auction that I won early on, but these listings for hers? I almost feel like I probably would have because if I type in Flintstone's plastic rock ball or rubber rock ball, these pop up. So I'm kind of ticked off now that I went through that stupid auction process. If I had waited barely a month, I would have had all these options to buy it now.

Yeah, but how would you know that? I can't know that, I mean. And also it's really strange that suddenly this stuff is showing up multiples everywhere right now now that you've you know, if we want to get mystical, maybe we wouldn't be in this era if you hadn't experienced or gone through that successful auction and gotten that first one. Like, maybe everything's lining up on purpose in this way. As a collector of this, you're at a stage where you never thought you would be, which is okay.

I could potentially have every rubber version, every plastic version, and if I want to complete this collection and end the obsession with these things, that can have on my shelf now I can not only that, and you and I have already texted about this a little bit. Not only that, but you can potentially get the best versions of these first one, maybe you'll resell it or whatever if you get a better version of it or something along those lines. Or maybe I'll hoard them, or maybe you'll hoard them, which I after all these years, why wouldn't you, right, I mean, that's like, well, I'm not buying new things off the shelf to hoard exactly exactly are on the secondary market. They are fair game, that's right.

One. You know, I talked to Masters of the Universe collectors often one of the big things is how can we complain when suddenly, out of the blue, all this stuff is now available. The complaints come from probably equality, or some things are hard to get, and that's how it is. And you like something, or when you're interested in something, but then but when you have so many options suddenly available, to you, it's like, thank goodness, I've experienced that with the whole Amigo that, which we'll talk about at some point. Oh yeah, for sure.

As I'm continuing to search, another auction came up from a different person for the same blue ball. It's in rougher shape, decent price, though by it now I think it just recently sold. So that was another person. Yeah, it could be that. A lot of these you miss because they are by it now auctions and you don't look at ended listings because I know I've had these terms for a while, and I think even the terms that I use prior to the original shaking loose of this thing would have worked for these two different people, three different people on eBay, four different if I count the one that I won within the last couple of months selling these items which I have never seen before in twenty odd years of looking from time to time.

Yeah, and then somebody with fourteen of them at once, someone with eight of the rubber ones all at once. It's just bizarre. I got the gray one. This is the one that got held up. I think at Burning Man.

I think it got stuck on the sludge there. I don't know. I just was like, what happened, probably in a typical Bigley mailing delay. I've held the other ones from this seller on my watch list and saw the price go down. Yeah, and so I was like, okay, well interesting.

I think on all of these ones that I saved or put on my watch list, I got offers from. That's when I told you to talk me out of getting a second blue one. I didn't do a very good job of that. I had gotten the price had already dropped from the seller, had dropped five dollars from the original listing price, and then I had gotten the offer, which was another five dollars, and I thought, you know what, I'm just going to make an offer then that's even less than that, and they can either counter or deny it and whatever. So I made that offer and they accepted it.

Money went out, It's been shipped. It'll be here Monday or tuesday. Awesome. I love that. Then it's just the brown one.

When I got that gray one, or what they call gray, it's more khaki or it's got a tannish tint. To me, I'm like, this them what I had, because the brown that I'm thinking of in my head is the inside of a golf ball brown. It is not the brown of the ball. That's almost like a rust color, right, it's really orangey. That looks odd to me, Like I don't recall that.

My memory doesn't work with that, so I don't know, but that is the Maybe it was the short packed one of the bunch because it's the least common one to come up. Lots of blue though, lots of blue balls. I'm surprised I haven't said blue balls before. Right now. Well, I'm excited because it's like you've entered an era.

First of all, you solved the dilemma, and now I you've entered the era of collecting. Now it's a glut. Yeah, the blood of them. Now it's a glut. And and that's a really cool place to be because that means your you can resolve this soon, you know, and hopefully you'll get all the colors and you'll get the versions and then never be resolved.

Roney, It'll never be resolved. This is going to be constant. I sent you when you said talk me out of this, and I sent you a picture of all my mermin and I was like, I don't know if I'm the right person to do this. Yeah, I wasn't really sincere Yeah, because I was going to ignore pretty much anything you said. Anyway, I did have some good advice, which was you did upgrade.

Yeah, if you've got a good version of something, if you can find a better version, and you've got the better version. And that doesn't mean you have to hold on to all versions, but I probably will. But yeah, I was thinking about this acquaintance of mine and one of the masters of the Universe groups on Facebook, and he has a whole wall of vintage stinkers, all of them at very varying conditions. And there's something a massive beautiful about looking at that wall of orange, black and white. I mean, it's very cool.

And I imagine his room smells like Patulian. That's kind of cool too. It depends on your relationship to the thing, the upgrading thing I get the other thing. The reason I got that second blue one is because it was at the price that I was willing to pay that I haven't paid yet, which seems stupid because it's like I overpaid for that first one. Yeah, I got the gray one for a decent price, still a little bit much, and this satisfies at least that part.

I finally got one for what I think is the correct price for these rights. Right, there could be a time where you see them for even less because of a glut. Yeah, this person, they'd had those three blue ones up for a long time. One of them had sold, so there were two available. When I made my offer, that got accepted, so that left one, and then someone else got that one because I saw that it was only on the ended auction listing.

Well now she has a new listing for three more, so that's six plus the one that was in the tricolor set at seven. So I'm even more convinced that it's that gal from the Facebook page. Yeah, yeah, it sounds to me like it most certainly is, because I know it's a woman. Just means that there's you know, you've got this opportunity to take advantage of the opportunity. I suppose it seems a little silly that they would be like, I'm not going to do it and then do it, Yeah, that very next day.

I don't know, So that still seems kind of odd to me, But you know, get people off your back. And that thread or that post had disappeared from the Facebook page at some point because I went, I had saved both of those posts on Facebook, and I went to my saved page and that one was gone. Did you get a brown one yet? No? I just have the gray one, which to me is tam Yeah, Curlita and I always a mistake.

Gray and greenpe a lot say, I'm gonna go get my green shorts. You're like, what green shorts? You don't have green shorts screen shorts. Yeah, so I have a gray one and I will have two blue balls. Wouldn't be the first time waiting for a chuckle by Monday or Tuesday.

Yeah, but no no brown one yet, but that's on its way. And no bouncy balls. I don't have bouncy balls now they're hollow. Yeah you might. Well that's awesome.

I love it. I love that. I love that. It's like an epic journey you can probably later on. Sure is so interesting to people out there, it really is.

Sorry, this is what obsessive people do. Yeah, I was thinking like you could do a very special you could edit down just our conversations about the rock balls and do a very special rock ball only epic journey episode of this whole rock ball journey, which I think would be fascinating. Well, I promise if I get a brown one, it'll just be a very brief mention of it. At some point. Well, that needs to happen, and so I'm looking forward to that.

So this was fun. I'm excited now to go listen to statues again as I paint our cabinets, which we're in the process of doing. And I'm gonna go and get on eBay and search for plastic rock, search for the brown balls. So we're not doing a location this time. We'll get back to that maybe on the next episode.

And the next episode, I haven't thought about what to do, so I don't have any hints. No, I don't have any can see either, no handle, then we'll scut that. Even though we're saying we skipped the location. We've talked about e Dalton, we talked about Walden books, we talked about Upstart Crow, which is really important. We also talked about tower records and raging records.

So I think we've got a lot of Central Valley locations into the conversation today, which is good. Well that'll have for count. That'll have to count this time. So running where can people find your stuff on the internet? Head over to Skelevator on YouTube and on Instagram.

Lots of cool videos and photos over in those locations, mostly Masters of the Universe, toy oriented, some Star Wars stuff. And on Thursday evenings I host a toy talk show called Toy Frenzy, mostly Masters of the Universe stuff. And then on Sunday afternoons weekly weirdos Skelly's Weekly Weirdo, where I talk about a toy from the collection, tune and all that stuff. How about you. You can find me at wake Up heavy dot com.

You can find my shows on weirdnweightmedia dot com or wherever you listen to podcasts and social media Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, at wake up Heavy. And it's all good stuff, folks, until we meet again in November. Have fun, stay weird, and keep collecting. That's right, No, I like that. Have fun, stay weird and keep collecting.

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