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Right now, says I. And he says, there's a new Blu ray coming out with a whole bunch of new behind the scenes stuff. And I said, I will wait. What do you want until then? And then he said Logan's Run, And I said, what the fuck of course will do Logan's Run.

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Well, let's play the trailer here, shall we. MGM puts the future in the palm of your hand. This is the twenty third century, where sophisticated technology has created an automated world of warmders, a world beyond imagination until now. It is filled with beauty and the vitality of youth. Pleasure is the way of life.

But in the twenty third century, life lasts thirty years, not one day less, not one day or when the crystal in the palm of your hand flashes its final message, your time is but there are a few bulls who run in search of sanctuary. Logan, trained to enforce the law, dars to become a runner himself. He and the girl who loves him become the hunted when they set off on Logan's Run, a fantastic adventure through the twenty third century. The twenty third century will be here sooner than you think, coming this summer. Logan's Run.

Logan's Run screenplay by David zellag Goodman, although really the main screenplay was by a guy named Michael Greenberg. He's the one who did the adapt guy. Directed by Michael Anderson, starring Michael Yorck and Jenny Agater, Richard Jordan Roscoe, Lee Brown, Fara Facet Majors, and Peter Eustonoff as the Old Man. It was released on June the twenty third, nineteen seventy six bi centennial. Everybody It Was Okay reported of a six million dollar budget.

We now know it was nine and it pulled in twenty five million, thus saving MGM or thus the same, Yeah it was MGM, thus saving MGM for another cycle of moves. Because lo and Behold and unbeknownst to everyone, this nearly destroyed the studio. They were so overextended. HB. First of all, thank you for joining me on this voyage to Carousel and renewal my pleasure.

Is this your first experience with Logan's Run? This was probably something I saw as a child for the first time on Channel thirty eight or any of the movie This was probably pre cable was when I first on network local network. TV thirty eight, channel fifty six, definitely Channel fifty six on the weekends on a Sunday. I remember seeing a rollerball in this in a double feature. Yeah, exactly, but probably certainly the first time I've seen it over fifteen years.

In its entirety, I had forgotten enough about it that it was still fresh watching. I saw this movie like you when I was very whatever the first airing, whether it was the sort of prototypes of cable that we had, because we had the cable box that you slid from channel to channels, so there was HBO, but there were other upstarts. I don't know where this was playing first, but I definitely saw it there, and I remember I was young enough that I was incredibly troubled by the carousels. There's a lot This is very much a kinship with Rollerball. There's something about the texture of the way it's filmed and the costuming, and I don't know, there is something very odd.

There remains a seventies grittiness amidst all of the hallucinatory imagery and the hippie versus modern themes that were going on here and all the wacky production design, and yeah, that really bothered me. And then the idea of sandmen just in general really troubled me. That there were people who were police effectively, who are just roaming around and can blast you into oblivion with a gun that makes you explode in portion. And not even just this police force, but they take at the beginning, they take such glee in the hunts, and they're laughing at the people that they're hunting a terror. They're provoking that intensely.

So I had seen this movie then when I was tiny, and then I watched it again as a teenager, at which point I went and grabbed the William F. Nolan George Clayton Johnson novel Logan's Run to find out, well, what's all this hubbub about? Have you read the book? I've not read the book, but I'm familiar with just from research. A lot of the differences I know in the book, like Sanctuary is are real that they reach on the Mars.

Sanctuary is a station that's orbiting. Logan's run in the book is a hell of a run. He goes all across the United States to all these different all around the world, to all these different colonies and little pockets of humanity. There's an entire revolution brewing elsewhere off world where there are different stations, and Francis seven, who is the main antagonist of the movie, is actually the leader of the revolution. The run in the book isn't really a chase at all.

Logan is being subtly herded toward the revolutionaries by his good friend Francis. So there's so much different. In fact, here's a major difference from book to screen. There's no carousel in the book. In the book, you go to sleep shops.

You just volunteer on your thirtieth birthday to go to a particular facility that handles euthanizing the old people. And by the way, in the book, the age is twenty one, not thirty, So potentially what you were going to get if they made the book into the movie, and they tried in nineteen sixty nine. George pal who did all of the time Machine and all those he was the first to attempt to make this into a film. Friend, jam And I don't know if I mentioned the book came out in sixty seven, so George Palace trying to make it, and you would have had a cast of teenagers. It would have been like Wild in the Streets, based on the street.

That's what I was thinking, So like. Logan would be eighteen years old and everyone else populating the cast, like when they went to Carousel. If they did Carousel in that then panning around, it would just be kids screaming for blood. Whole different vibe than the movie that we ended up with. So that's the major differences between book and screen.

They've never attempted to really make the book properly into a film, but what we got is interesting. It's a distillation a seventies dystopic with a high gloss sheen of the greatest model work you could ever find in the lobby of a hotel. Especially given that you're in Las Vegas. I'm sure you've seen a lot of these mockups of casinos, and that's what I kept thinking what I'm watching because the movie opens panning shot of it's supposed to be the bubbled city under a dome, and it looks fantastic, but it in no way doesn't look realistic because the physics of it just you can tell it's a tiny mock. Up of like even the speed that they're shooting at the water just looks like ripples of water.

That because I kept thinking like, if they only had filmed this with fast speed so it would have slowed it down like a. Slow motion thing, it would have helped them in And if they had chosen better shots than just running alongside a giant model it with a camera because basically it's just panning around. It feels like if anyone had been to My experience was disney World in Florida the Wedgeway People Move, which is the most lazy ride you can do at Disney World. It's this cart that runs through tomorrow Land and basically just takes you into each of the rides and shows you and at one point you scroll you drive past a laid out giant model of the City of the future. It looks as good as this look.

But that's a problem because it just looks like a giant model. And I appreciate how all the craftsmanship and everything. And the thing is, this movie came out in nineteen seventy six, so Silent Running had already come out, two thousand and one had already come out. The next year, Star Wars is coming out. The year after that, Battlestar Galactica on television is coming out.

This is inexcusable. If it had come out in sixty nine, I'd be like, what an amazing achievement, Like Barbarella. That's what I kept returning back to the fact that in just a year's time we had Star Wars. We wrote the rules of sci fi special effects. It became the definitive way to do that effectively.

So this couldn't help but look like a dinosaur in comparison to Star Wars, which is not to say one of the things I do appreciate about this movie is that they were still doing things like there's a lot of Matt painting, and there's a lot of compositing with people and these people movers and tubes, and some of that actually looked pretty good. But overall, I think effects wise we're dealing with. It felt part disaster movie. At times. I could have imagined like Irwin Allening something.

Eventually there's mass destruction of the city, and it felt just like the Towering Inferno. It felt before we even get to the mass destruction sequence, it felt like a disaster movie, like the sequence in the water the desalinization plant for the city, where Richard Jordan blasts a hole in the wall and then they're swept away in this giant That was a giant set piece. They probably planned that for months, and like everyone came away talking about what an experience that was. But it really just feels like a moment from the Poseidon Adventure exactly exactly. And we've talked about this in actually in relation to we were talking about the Trek Fest.

We're talking about the Star Trek. There's an awful lot of practical location. It's my understanding they shot a lot of this on location in Dallas, just because the brutalist architecture already looked like someone's idea that they shot a lot of this there. But I think in a way it almost makes it look even more fake because they're clearly walking through real fountain and real water treatment facilities and things, and it's supposed to double for the inner working, massive walled city, but it just to me, it just rings false in a funny way. It shouldn't be that way.

It should look more authentic, but it ends up looking less. Often are you saying that the exterior stuff looks inauthentic orre you saying that by comparison from going to these clear real world exteriors to sound stages, you feel that shift kind. Of both both because we're going to be comparing this we've already compared to Star Wars, and Star Wars I think was the gold standard at that point for mixing sound stages with like real world locades. Like they're in Tunisia, tad Wine still looks and feels like a place, whereas here they're in Dallas trying to make it look like a city of the future, but it just looks for some somehow to meet, it still looks fake. It doesn't look like like those sets are designed with that same sort of purpose.

It clearly looks like somebody who said this looks cool, this looks futuristic. Let's point a camera at it and see what happens. There's not a lot of logic, I guess is what I'm saying. Behind the on set location's real world location. They just picked them because they looked that's not enough.

Yeah. The main location that they filmed it was the Dallas Apparel Mart, which was this four story like gigantic mall that was completely populated with nothing but fashion shops, shirts and suits, fabric purveyors and stuff. I guess Dallas was making a bid to become the new fashion capital of the world with this building, and what they ended up doing was providing a fantastic location for a futuristic film because all the stuff in there and that the Great Hall that it's called in the film is I think stands up as part of the overall aesthetic of the movie, this sort of this is the last gasp of futurism that's clean and sterile. It was even more sterile I think in the book because the Yeah, because it's more of a tough it's more of a totalitarian society in the book.

But here where it's supposed to be, this giant leisure high a mall is an appropriate place for that all to happen. Like it dates the movie, but the whole movie is fucking dated, just from any random costume. And that's a good point. And the apparel mart was so big. I was watching a video on the making that, like they actually had trouble like supplying enough power to light the whole thing.

That's how big this is. This isn't Pine Tree Studio, this isn't Pinewood Studios in England. This is so big, and it's a real location. They're having trouble coming up with enough power to illuminate it so that you can see what's happening. I think that's amazing.

I saw that same documentary and he had to eventually overexpose the film just to pick up actors' faces. You know what's funny. They had the exact same problem a couple of years later in Pittsburgh at the Monroeville Mall. Their gaffer Oddy was losing his mind because when you shoot in any direction in a mall, it goes on and it's thousands and thousands of feet away and the camera needs to read it, so you have to light every single bit of space. Crazy.

This is a four story mall with a giant open courtyard. Like, yeah, I'm sure Ernest Laslow I believe it was the DP here was probably pulling what was left of his hair out. Have you ever been to a four story follow alone? I have. I've been to the Mall of America.

Oh, I see, I've never that's like the gold standard, right, I've never been there, but I always wanted to. But the most we have around these parts is two floors. Like the Burlington Mall is the biggest mall up to that point. I think in Los Angeles the West Side Pavilion is a three story mall. It's the mall featured in the free Fallen video with Tom Petty.

He's riding up and down those escalatorss escalators. That's how big that mall is. It's pretty massive. So yeah, it's not that common, But certainly, I think in nineteen seventy six, I think, honestly, because that structure was built in nineteen seventy it might have been the first of its kind, like an experiment, and let's move all the stories into one location inside instead of the typical mart. The sort of pavilions that we had gotten from the fifties and the sixties, the open air, which we've returned to now that we've abandoned them all it's.

But it's an interesting setup though, because the whole notion is the future and everybody just lives purely for pleasure, and we're led to understand that everything is being run by a computer. I think that's the yes, and congratulations on this movie for having a regular human voice speaking as the computer and not the does not compute Logan, Logan, what is this symbol? Popular? There's there there's a lot that we poke fun at EFFTSYS, but that is actually pretty cool because they didn't really they didn't over complicate, like the voice, but there's also some effect here. There's like a hologram effect that we might talk about later on.

Let's talk about it right now, because they made such a fucking big deal of it during their documentary days. Like at least half or three quarters of that documentary that you and I watched was them talking about the new technology of a hologram. I thought it was cool that there's a point at the end of the movie, which we'll get to where Logan is being interrogated by the computer about his ostensibly his mission, and there's all and it's he's sitting in a chair, he can't really talk, but there's these projections, these holographic projections of his mind that just keeps saying things like there is no sanctuary, no or whatever. And you can tell, like just I think we've all seen, you've seen. For a while, there was like a gimmicky picture, a hologram that could get at the mall.

That would be at the mall. Yeah, tying it back into the mall, this is where you would find there would almost be one shop that was just cubes of holograms, or you could pick it up. Oh my god, it's the bust of toot in common from every angle. And I was always mesmerized by those holograms because first of all, they were in three D and they had this weird iridescent rainbow look to them as you moved them in the light because of the word etched. And that's what you're seeing here.

They're essentially revolving three holograms of Michael Yorke saying these lines in a very disembodied fashion. He's been looped to make it even more weird. He's basically posed in with his mouth forming like three different words, and then they looped it in afterwards. There is no sanctuary, no, no, But as silly as some of the line readings might be. I thought the effect was really neat because I recognized that what it was, which is like a three D representation of his inner mind, I thought it was I thought it was a neat effect.

And I know that documentary we talked about a lot of it. But I think it's justified that. They could have done the same thing with a Pepper's ghost effect, which is just the same. I could have filmed him and it would have looked even better, and they just passed it through a CRC sort of filter. And Bob's your uncle.

We've got helped me Obi wan Kanobi, you're my only help. Oh that's next year, true? Yeah, yeah, And that's the thing we can't. We're gonna have to. We're always going to circle back to the year.

Well, what a difference a year and the right group of technicians makes, because clearly Logan's Run is a holdover from an old way of filming, and here we have Star Wars, which is a brand. New This certainly is new, isn't it. Although this is part of the wave of Hollywood dystopian science fiction films that came out from the late sixties on where it's soilent green Rollerba mentioned what Omega man, Omega man. There you go, like science fiction equals the end of the world in the early nineteen seventies. And you know what I'd like about this movie.

This is a prestige film. This is a big budget movie. This was their tent pole for that year. There seemed to be a while where studios were attempting to do these gigantic budgeted science fiction movies with a philosophy behind them. It wasn't just mindless action for action sake.

That would come next year with Star Wars, which. Is which seems silly now because movies to call it a painstaking sci fi action movie. It seems quaint by comparison to the stuff we've seen in recent years. But it was revolutionary. But what's funny is you say this came from a tradition of these kinds of movies.

But as I'm watching Logan's Run, not to get ahead of ourselves, but the movie that I was most reminded of Father alone, wasn't necessarily Rollerballs you talked about. The movie that I was most reminded of was a movie called The Apple, which was obviously Cannon's infamous bomb that I think Menachem Goland, that he directed it. One of the goal either Golan or Global Strip. Just four years later comes the Act just four years later is the brutalist architecture and all the silly, flashy costumes, And yeah, I understand what you're saying. Production wise, it's very similar to this film as far as the outlandishness of the idea behind the design.

Well you not only that, but in this movie we essentially have the hippies win the day against the computer, the technological oppressor. That's not unlike what we see in The Apple, where it's the hippies that take over and foil the power. The people in power their schemes to keep them down and oppressed. See, that's the limitation of a dystopian future where you're dealing with a tutalitarian regime because the film goer demands that we see that that be toppled, that that government come down. Unfortunately, sometimes you're just telling a story of two people finding out their own humanity and it feels completely out of place that they come back, give one speech and we'll get there.

But it does seem like the end of Rollerball. I mentioned these movies. The end of rollerball is the start of that revolution. That's what rollerball did it perfectly because it's just the flame that ignites that revolution. We don't need to see buildings exploding and these mustache toiling villains get theirs or computers not compute.

But I wish that wasn't part of this. I can see them going back, but I don't see them exploding everything everything. Yeah, and like you said, the hippies win. This is definitely feeling the repercussions of the flower power generator. And you're reminding me, or you're making it clear to me that, if you haven't already, should cover rollerball, because that's definitely perfect.

The fact that it's Jonathan maintaining his individuality in the face of all of the all that they throw at him, the corporation or whatever you've got so great. You don't need to see the whole thing fall. You just know that he sparked it. Igno, and that's what's going on here. Okay, so we're in the twenty third century, but we can't get away from the third centuries.

This takes place in twenty two seventy nine, which is just right around the time of Kirk and Spock and Is are still gallivanting around. That's around the time Vejo shows up. Actually, if you want to sort of nerd out and compare timelines here, so twenty third century, there had been wars and pestilence, and humanity has now gone not underground but under dome. There are these giant domed cities, and that's the last of you. Everything is a pleasure center.

Everything is breezy and fun, except when you turn thirty years old, your time is up. You got to go to carousel where they murder you and you get renewed. You are immediately reincarnated as a baby. It's a one for one society basically, like everything has its place. When you turn thirty and die, another baby takes your place and they take your name.

You become Francis six or Jessica eight. That's where we that's where we are at the start of this thing. And the like I said, the police force are sandman who I had a sandman at my wedding. If you remember HP who is a sandman. He's a dick.

I don't like him very much, but I was super duper impressed that he came dressed as a sandman and his date came dressed as Jessica six. She was in the outfit and everything I thought that was Awoh, it was the best thing this guy ever did in my estimation, was come to my wedding dressed as a man. Maybe really happy. But I love their design of their outfits, which are great, and that all the rest of the costumes in this movie are fucking terrible. They're terrible.

What it took me a little while to understand is that the color. So I don't think what you didn't mention is that the way you can tell if they're up for a renewal paracel, they have this little gem or crystal that's embedded in their hand, which, by the way, if you look really careful, it's not very consistent in the movie. There's a lot of the continuity errors. I'll just leave it at that. But so the color of your outfit is dependent on the color of your crystalers people with yellow outfits, the younger kid, there's green, and then red is the color of the approach thirty that's when you wear red.

Do you see a lot of the runners are all in red because that's. Which renew Bravo costume designer for separating everybody out by age again, like you, I didn't realize that until I watched it again this time, and I had seen the movie plenty, so it's a nice subtle thing. Except what they're wearing is just so gross like this. I understand they're going for all your needs are met and you just want to be breezy and such, but do we all have to wear this diaphanous skirt and not? And by the way, it's not on.

The one thing the movie does actually very well is show because the society here there is no connections between people. That's the ultimate thing. You're not raised by parents. You're raised in a by robots basically, and you don't have a mother and father. You have no family.

You have no actual relationships with anyone. Like it's all moments that you people step into a circuit and they come into your house and you fuck and then they go away, and that's that constitutes a relationship here. There's no love necessarily in this society. Where was I going with this? I have no idea.

No. Yeah, everything is momentary pleasure or immediate satisfaction, like you can go. There are these clinics called New You, which I think they took the concept of that into the Judge Dread universe because there's a very similar concept. We can go and get a new face or plastic surgery on demand, and it's all supposed to be literally while you wait. It's a snap to get a new face or body or whatever.

Everything is immediate pleasure and set. Francis seven shows up at one point with this like gaseous cloud bomb that they throw up two chicks and they all get stoned and have sex, and that's what life is in this universe. But my point was about the costume. What I do is that that sort of lack of connection to anybody is very fluid. It doesn't seem like there's any sort of gender disparity in this world.

Like the first he goes to his dating machine basically which teleports someone into your house. His first choice is a guy, and it's not no, it's not a joke, it's just no next. Oh, that's the most That may be the most progressive thing about this whole movie, to be honest, is that there's no no one cares about sexual preference to this. He sees that and he just like smiles and shakes his head. Logan and you just get the sense that I'm not really in the mood tonight for that kind of lover.

And then that's when he meets Jessica, And even when he's talking to her and she res his advance, he says very casually, oh do you prefer women? It's not even like this was nineteen seventy six ridiculously, or. If this were in Demolition Man, this scene there would have been a moment of still on going no way, get out of here, get back in my books, wow. Yeah, here, it's just treated as normal. And I if this movie is to be applauded for anything progressive, my assertion is that.

Is except in the costuming, everyone's wearing this stupid like dress, except guys wear pants and girls don't. And I thought, why isn't everyone just wearing the same unitard, like the same whatever. If that's what they're going for. The film can't resist its salacious impulses, and for the sake of commerce, let's be honest, because at one point they will talk about this. But they make their way to the freezer where this robot is working, and they've Jessica whatever six or eight and Logan have have gone through this water and they're freezing, and they find these furs and they go, oh, let's take off our clothes because they're freezing onto us.

But of course Logan gets to keep his pants on, but Jenny Agutter, for the salaciousness of it, she has to take off. I mean, she's, for all intense purposes naked, put getting swathed in a fur for no good reason other than she's a woman and he's a guy. And it's nineteen seventy seven. Yeah, and that scene was significantly cut. Did you see the deleted portion.

I didn't see the deleted portion, but I'm familiar with the idea that like Box ends up. Carving, like he makes an ice sculpture of that sculptural clasping each other while naked, and then yeah, so then I don't know, it doesn't detract anything from the scene. We get to the point a little quicker. Yeah, it's just looking at it with maybe a little more of a jaundiced view, I can't help like scoffing at that limp. There's no good reason for her to get completely butt naked there, but.

She is and he is in the disparity there, that's true, and that's what I'm talking about pants for them, none for them, like the either stick to one thing? Would you? And make better costumes because I don't want to wear that. That's not my idea of ultimate pleasure. Give me something cool.

No, but he did. I will say. When Logan is chilling in his abode and he's going through the circuit, he's wearing this like robe. It looks super comfortable and very stylish. I love that.

Well, let me thank Michael Anderson for that, who originally in that scene He's just supposed to be wearing a Sandman outfit, and he went, he's not just a regular Sandman. Can we get something on him? And then the costume designer whipped that robe up in two hours, and then Michael Yorke held onto it for forty years because it was so comfortable. It's awesome. But what I was going to say earlier, my favorite part of that is Francis breaks in the breaks literally but he stumbles in with these two women and he's laughing and he's got this ball of something and he goes, let's fade out, and he throws the ball up into the ceiling and it makes this sort of intoxicating thing.

What I love about this is that he doesn't say, hey, let's get high, right, let's get stoned or let's get wasted. That to me sounds like vernacular that they might actually use. Let's fade out. I'd love that to be like terminology for getting high today. That's awesome, Let's fade out because that puts you in the mind of what does that feel like?

What's that sensation? Describing let's fade out? Just feels genuine. No, It's like how mentioning that two purple hearts Leningrad and Siberia. It's like in Aliens when Hicks tells everyone to stay frosty, or little bits of unexplained vernacular.

In fantasy and sci fi places, it's like saying frack in fucking Battlestar Galactica or frel in far Escape. I love when they invent a little bit of a phrase, and in this case, it definitely makes sense, and I agree with you. Later on tonight, I'm going to fade out. You're gonna fade out? Anachronistic, that was the term.

It didn't feel innacuratem. I don't know. There's a lot, and we're going to get into it. There's a lot that we can levy critically at this movie, but I also want to pay tribute to the things that work, and that's one thing that work. No, look, I like this movie.

I whatever criticism I ended up coming out away with aren't going to stop me from watching the movie again. I think it's a worthy entry in science fiction. And whatever problem I have with the costumes, I like all that brutalist architecture. I like the look of everything else. I love all that contoured weirdness like that the opening with the the infirmary scene with the windows are like these weird projected cylinders that like pop out of the wall, Like I don't know.

The design work overall is really cool. It's just the execution in a lot of the places is a big question. Yeah, can we talk about the ritual of Carousel with that all involves just for a minute, because they spend a lot and it's my understanding that it was a very complicated thing to shoot because of how it all worked. Yeah, So in this film, instead of you turn thirty and head to a sleep shop, what they've designed is a giant spectacle that everyone attend, and not everyone, but let's say it's packed every night. An Amphitheater.

Yeahather, and everyone whose birthday it is, who is now turned thirty, goes to the it's like a theater in the round, and they there's a giant symbol of the crystal in the center of the room, this massive version of a crystal that's red and glowing, like their hands are all glowing, and they're all garbed in these red, white flamed unit tards. They're all wearing goalie masks and hoods. And the ritual is the rooms. The platform thereon starts turning and then a beam of light comes down from another crystal that levitates them into the air where they are. Then as they approach that crystal, are exploded.

The idea being that they have now disappeared and passed on and they're going to be renewed as a new baby right then and there renewal. But it's almost like they're doing an aerial dance this whole thing, because they're floating, but they're flipping around slowly and spinning and doing and all the while everybody around, the people observing this in this amphitheater are screaming about real real and they're all it's almost like bloodlust. They're all getting excited about them. Almost this is bloodlust. This is a blood sport.

We're watching. These people are being murdered. There's no renewal going on. There's nothing mystical occurring. The machine is drawing people up into the air and bursting them, killing them.

But this is the culture, and this is all that these people have ever known. But the what I take took me aback a little bit is that as they're revealing every bit of this and they take their hoods off and revealing this weird goalie mask thing like they it's this technique where they have on the soundtrack, you can hear people gasping, which as I didn't understand well for me, the way I understand it is to me, I don't understand it in the context of there because they've seen this ritual probably dozens in their lifetime. But as a viewer of the movie, what that does is that makes it seem almost like a horrifying, like an unexpectedly scary thing to have reviewed. Oh, I wasn't expecting that. That's a little that's a little creepy.

So it enhances the viewer at the expense of versimilitude in the movie. Itself, definitely, because I found that jarring, that that there was a gasp there. I thought, this happens every day. Every day somebody's having the thirtieth birthday. So it's not like they this isn't just the norm, Like it's what do you want to do tonight?

I don't know, I want to go to the movies. No, let's go to carousel. It's that sort of a situation. It's just that casual. So this is the first time somebody saw their the fucking masks.

Maybe they should have had a section that like first time or section where you're right, ever been to carousel before? It was just small children or something. But in the midst of all of this happening, Francis and Logan getting alert that there's a runner in the courtyard, so then they have to This is where you the first time and really the best time that you get to see them ply their trade. There's this terrified runner and clad in red that Francis and Logan there're the ouh number the guy on the face of and they're shooting at him and laughing and saying. They're run and they're it's awful.

Yeah, it's really awful. They keep shooting around him, like to make him run further, so they continue their own version of their bloods. They're taking too much glee in it, but they're doing everything but shooting at his asking him to dance, or demanding that he danced. Did you ever see, as a side note, have you ever seen the movie Free Enterprise? And then yeah, yeah, millionaires, Yeah there was.

I have to mention there is a scene where one of the characters must be turning forty or thirty, I don't remember what context of the movie, but he has a These are geeks. He's adult and he has a nightmare that he is his last day, and they have him dressed up as a runner, and his friend, who's his best friend in the movie, is dressed up look like Michael Yorke, and he basically does he's a run runner and he shoots at him and that's his n I did appreciate that at the time, because at that time Logan's Run wasn't exactly on everybody's lips an incredible piece of science fiction. Well it should be. I think actually the outcome of this discussion should be that it should remind people actually a really good movie, an important movie.

Maybe not the best the distillation of the book. But I think an important movie. Know, I think it's mostly good. I think once we get the sanctuary, I think we're in the weeds for the rest. We're done our cinematic time.

But everything leading up to them is so unusual and odd, Like the idea that they have these personal hovercraft that can spray something that will make your body dissolve immediately, like cleaners. Yeah, that's that was really horrifying. I think that more than Carousel bothered me as a kid. It did because so they kill this runner, this poor runner, finally, and then they call it in like a cop. And then these cleaners come into these hovercraft to describe and they spray something on the body and in that sequential dissolve, you see the body basically become like a hunk of and it's dissolve into nothing, and.

Event the go and then they actually disappear entirely. Like it never was there. But yeah, those are the only two costumes that don't follow the coloring em or the Sandman and the cleaners. Yeah, any governmental position, you're gonna be clad all in black and you get the luxury of pants. But it is so weird though.

That's the thing that carries the movie for great stretches what ends up happening, and it's never this is never fully explained. But the Sandman have to report to the acute, ostensibly to this computer. Hive thing and where they have to dump out the possessions onto this circular thing with a scanner that comes down. It feels real to this day. That looks like a scanner to me.

Yeah, that's something that was fantasy that has become more reality, because who hasn't. We've all put our possessions through an X ray scanner at the airport. This is like that. But so they do this, and the Logan has recovered this ONC, the symbol of this ONC from the runner that was killed, and he puts that on the pedestal, and that we're meant to understand that triggers some curiosity from the computer leader and the computer. What the computer effectively does is it asks, doesn't ask, It actually orders Logan to pretend that it's his last day.

He has to become a runner so he can lead the authorities to this fictional not fictional, this place that is rumored to exist called Sanctuary. Yeah, it knows that runners are getting away, and it has heard that they're gathering together and it needs to stomp that out because you can't have people doing anything on their own. They have to be controlled by the machine. They've got to be controlled. And they never explain why, what how the computers got to this point where they're ruling with this iron fist.

But what the computer does is it coerces Logan into putting his crystal hand down and it changes the color from whatever it is. To red to make your time red. And what's scary about that moment is that he keeps saying, I have a question, Well I get those years back after the mission is over, and the computer never answers him, yeah, we returned back. It feels like a one way trip for him to try and infiltrate the rebels and find this. He wants you to retire in this upcoming match, but I don't want to retire?

Can I just want to keep going? But it's never adequately explained in any way, like what's going to happen to Logan. It's just understood that he has to do this because the computer told him to, and he can't tell Francis what's going on. He has to make this seem real. But at some point, and again this is the greatest of it.

It is a great setup. But the thing of it is that there's a lot of inconsistence, which we'll get into. And and some of that I think is because there were a lot of seat cut that there's just a jumpiness to the movie from this point on. But part of my one of my problems with it is at some point he crosses the line from being basically like undercover to actually a real runner seeking sanction. It's not clear when that moment happens for me.

Oh, and that's when he lets that the woman runner go. But up to that point, at one point when he's does that happen before that happens, before he there's like a point at which he's got to go through this wall and these people say we're going to shine a light on you. You can come in and keep your hands above your head. But at some point he hits like a little tracker or something on his belt, which leads the rest of the Sandmen to their location. Oh oh, yeah, that's true.

So yeah, he is an operative up until a certain point. And what point is that? What point is that that's when they get outside. I think that's when he realizes that the crystal is now clear in his hand and was meaningless all along. Okay, I guess I'll go with that, but that still felt a little bit vague.

Yeah. Look, it is at least the journey of a character, because the logan we get at the beginning, while a bit of a questioning soul, is also gleefully shooting at that fucking runner. And you can imagine he's been this way his entire life, and he's dick in general, like when even though he's affable and genial and it's Michael Yorke, he's still the dick. And so this movie is as much his journey to figuring out the individualism and how wrong he's been about everything. I think that feels natural.

I can't tell you the exact moment. I guess they never really highlight it where. It's supposed to. Unfortunately, See, here's the thing. I don't care about any of the changes from book to screen.

A movie is a movie in a book is a book, you know what I mean, And they can exist independently. But the one thing in the book that was essential is that they're falling in love is an act of defiance against this system. And in this movie it's just a traditional romance because they're supposed to fall in love and they need a fucking picture of them kissing on the poster. Yeah, she doesn't trust him until all of a sudden she does trust him, and then they fall him out of nowhere, out of nowhere. And it's at least a credit to Agator New York that they do their best work and do their best to class up the proceedings because they're really they're great and everything.

I obviously for me and probably for you. The thing I know in the Agator best from is American, an American Werewolf. Right. Yeah, But since then there was a show that my wife really loved to get ran for a bunch of sins. It might still be on Call the Midwife.

Have you heard of this show? Father way, I know of this. Have you ever seen it? No? It's not nowhere near my favorite show that I would watch, other than it's on in the room that I'm sitting in.

It takes place in like the late fifties seventies. It's about it's in London, and it's this group of midwives that are working in conjunction with the Nunnery, like they're pioneering all these techniques of delivering babies and saving babies. From that perspective, it's actually a worthwhile enterprise. Sounds great. I don't love it because it's very melodramatic and it's not my thing.

But where I'm leading to is Jenny Agator is one of the seniors. She might be the senior nun in the Nunnery, like Sister Francine or something. And she's very old now, but she looks like Jenny ag She's just a beautiful woman and it's amazing her age so graceful. Fans of Von Doomfest, which is coming up soon, will recognize her from the Avengers. She's on the counter.

That's true, she asked Garlett. Johansson masquerades at her as her at one point in that film. Yeah, yeah, that was. Jenny agg Wow, that's cool. And Michael and I.

Fell in love with Jenny Agator in American wor Wolf in London, and then I really fell in love with her when I saw this. Oh, this was a man of a certain event. Look, there's no getting around the fact she's gorgeous and she's wearing a lot of very revealing clothes in this, and like I said, at one point, she gets naked. So what's for a red blooded guy, what's not to look? I had a red blooded gal who knows everything's gender fluid here in the twenty third century.

We make no judgments, you know what. I loved the scene when they're making their escape. We have to go through a bunch of trials to get out, and one of them is this pleasure room where they go in. They're immediately assaulted by naked people who are just like, let's fuck, and they like carry her off, and then he can't get to her because there are so many naked women jumping all over him. I was like, I could probably stay there, but don't.

You didn't mention the fact that that whole sequence is shot in slow motion to highlight the sort of languidness. Of Oh, everyone's on drugs, like what I liked. When they're entering, they passed through this hazy like wall of smoke, and knowing what they used earlier when they were fading out, they got dosed as they were going in there. So oh, that's exactly I had never thought of it that way. You're right, So what that slow motion thing is them fucking just trying to deal with the fucking brain chemistry in addition to all these people jumping all over them.

Yeah, because not only are they trying to escape these people that are all like hedonistic and on drugs themselves, but then Francis, who's like, he comes in and then he's under the effects of this drug and he's trying to It's really and we haven't talked about the soundtrack yet. It's our old friend Jerry Goldsmith. Oh my god, Jerry can do no raw. It's really good. The clever thing here is that all of the stuff that takes place in the city is at least mostly electronic, But then when they escape the city and they make it in a world, that's when it becomes actual traditional orchestration.

It's very a soaring Jerry Goldsmith's score meets us when the sun rise. Yeah, I could have done more with more of the electronic stuff. To be honest, I get why he did because I just love the Mogue synthesizers and everything. I thought it was really well done. That carousel sound, that thing so good and I'm gonna mention them again.

Blood of Abraham. They began that song, I'm going to put it at the end. I might put it at the beginning of this because the song literally begins with the carousel sound and then goes into the rest of the track. It's a sweet Oh. Let's talk about box Oh.

Box might be the weird in a movie full of weirdness, Box might be the weirdest single aspect. Can I say that I love the character and I love Roscoe Lee Brown's performance as the character. I love the scenario that they find themselves. In fact, in retrospect, I wish they had left in the ice sculpture thing, because it just makes him more interesting that he was like, wait, let's take a moment to immortalize you here. I'll make you beautiful.

That's all great, And then to find out what he actually is also horrifying and fantastic. It's just that he is the stupidest robot design I've ever seen robot. This is like years after the Daleks have already raged all over Europe with their limited capabilities. What are they doing here? And this isn't even supposed to be a robot.

You find out it's basically a cyborg because he's I'm no longer man, I'm no longer machine. I'm something else on time magnificent see. But it's disheartening because you can see from certain angles, in certain clothes that he is actually inside or maybe it's not Roscoe Lee Brown, but it is somebody is inside of it. And you can actually see his mouth behind the supposedly like artificial exterior, and it's yeah, that's just a guy with moving his mouth and the mask is around him, right. Why didn't they go with that?

Just make that part of it, like they tell us he's a cyborg, show us he's a cyborg. It's fine, we would have want we could have accepted that instead of just casing him in this tinfoil outfit and then on a rolling podium. Yeah, it's it didn't work and it is an interesting So I think what we're meant to understand is that this robot was supposed to gather like food from the sea, like basically gather fish and other nutritious. Bits sea greens. And freeze it for the humans.

But because the fish are all dead and there's no more there's no more food to be had from the ocean. Any runners that make their way to this freezer, I guess it's supposed to be like a freezer, right, Yeah, there's nothing like ecological happening a freezing chamber. He horrifyingly, he freezes these people instead of the food the fish that he designed to freeze. So he goes crazy and tries to kill Logan and Jessic Basins. Now, the implication there is never brought to fruition.

But this is another soiling green situation. The idea might be that he can basically, I guess he hasn't really seen anyone but runners, so no one's coming to collect these things anymore. He's just stacking them up for some future event when people will come back for the protein. Yeah, or the robots will come back for the protein. I don't know, whatever the situation.

Nevertheless, they could have gone in that direction. They could have said, oh the protein, we've been eating this all the time. It's us, it's all the runners. But it's a horrifying tableau. It's revealed to the two of them, to humans that there's all these there's rows and rows of people that have been frozen live that are naked because the clothing is so flimsy that they probably falls off their body.

But that's horrifying that how many years has this robot been following it the programming and killing people. Yeah, I imagine if we were to make this again these days Logan's run, that room would be vast and it. Would be a lot like the prospect would be more conveyed, even more horrifying. But it's pretty scary the way it is. But everything is working except for Box, right, and that horrible painting of the cave that they have to make it look like there's an extension back there, like the cave goes on forever.

I'm like, you guys spent nine million dollars on this movie. You can't just make an actual cave on a sound stage. But this is another example of the sort of herky jerkiness of the editing, because they cut out that bit where Box does a carving of them in ice, like if they enter the cave, they go, let's get these clothes off because it's going to freeze to us, and they put these furs on, and then the next thing you know, they're walking with the furs, but now they're fully clothed again, and there's no explanation for how they got from one bit to another, and It doesn't necessarily register if you're in the moment, But I believe there is a subconscious disconnect that happened. You see that, and you go that what just happened?

That doesn't seem to make even if you don't recognize it consciously. I think it does weigh on your somewhere subconsciously. This doesn't make sense to. If he wants to see. Just previous to this, when they're going through the desalinization plant, at one point they're walking along beside a pool and they're both dry, and then in the next shot she's completely soak and wet.

She's wet, yeah, because there's a scene there where she was attacked and fell into one of those pools that got cut out for time. So there's enough water falling, just leaking everywhere that you don't necessarily go, why is she soaking wet all of a sudden? But like you said, subconsciously it registers. It's Michael Caine getting onto the boat in John's four with a dry shirt. What it just these things I think they build on each other.

The more and more you see these things that don't add up, the more your brain kind of rebels against it a little bit. At least that's what happened to me, and I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I did more research and found out about all these deleets. Well that's why it jumps around so much, with no real understanding of what's happened. Nevertheless, we get out, we find sanctuary or lack there. They decided that they were going to do a bit of a Planet of the Apes idea.

We're going to play on that boomy, that baby boomer fucking terrified notion of the American government falling to pieces and the giant symbolism of it passing away and no longer having the meeting it once did. So, of course we find ourselves in Washington, d C. In a matte painting extravagance. A lot of vines. Everything is covered in that.

They go to the Lincoln Memorial and it's covered in the Capitol, it's covered the Washington Monument is you guessed it covered in. Vine Vineyard, DC. It's right, But they make it. But some of the setwork is actually interesting. They make their ways essentially to the Senate floor and you can recognize it, and that's when they run into Peter Ustinoff.

Remember he was everywhere in the seventies and eighties. I remember him in the Muppets a bunch of times, remember him the Great Muppet Caper doing an unnecessary cameo that he calls out. He did the all the Puiro movies. Oh yeah, those, my god, those were great. He was a great Quaro he was.

But he's not great here and Madame Red he is, like. There's a long scene between him and Logan and Jessica. An interminable scene. It's interminable because the Trivia and IMDb mentioned a lot of Ustinov's dialogue was used by him, and it shows because what effectively we have is it feels like two different scene, two different movies scenes coming together, because you have Logan and Jessica who are very earnestly trying to understand what happened, and they're asking him questions about this, what does it mean to bury somebody? And all this kind of stuff, and his dialogue is basically limited to a lot of Remember like, it's just mumbling in terminably and not really giving any real answer, and it feels like he's reaching for a line or trying to come up with something.

Look, I know he was a great performer, it's a great improviser. But in this case, it just feels like there's like these scenes are flown in from two different movies and there's sandwich together and it doesn't work at all. Peter, we have been journeying many miles. We need to some form of answer. Stop telling us about your cats.

Talk about the cats he's talking about. He's just always mumbling. I can't rightly remember, do you like? My southern accent? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, now, does it?

Not much does once you get outside that dome, this belongs to the people. By the way, Earth is fine. That's true. There's no fallout, there's nothing. Earth is just overgrown.

That's the big problem. There are animals everywhere. There are lizards that will try and go up your skirt. There are cats running everywhere. She hates the outdoors.

That I love that part. She's sitting on the rock and the lizard crawls right up her flimsy outfit. She's I hate the outdoor, and everybody who hated camping, and I ever had to go camping went yes, I hate the outdoors too. Even as a young child who had never been outdoors, at all. I knew.

Yes, you're right, that looks awful. Go back to the dome does not look fun. But yeah, but the Senate floor is a shambles. Everything is in ruins and there's cats everywhere. There's probably like twenty cats, and Ustanoff is using to his greatest advantage, like walking around this cat is.

I call him Ghosts, but his real name is a sparag. I just it's driving me crazy, goes on forever. Hey man, where's sanctuary? Come on, old man, that's his character's name. Come on, old man, tell us something.

Francis, have you got something to add? Yeah, Francis tracks them. He's the best sand Man ever because somehow he's able to track them over miles. He somehow got through that desalinization plant which they exited accidentally, he figures out it tracks them. Yeah, over land, over hill and yeah, Iron and noverre fucking through ruins and.

They I thought they destroyed that when they destroyed box. I thought that the whole freezing chamber came down with them, because they get out and there's stuff collapsing behind them. So yeah, there's a whole lot of composite shots going on in that scene. Which are very embarrassing when you go back and watch them, because some of those shots are clearly from across the room, because giant blocks of ice are crashing down lower in the frame than the frame exists. It's really embarrassing.

The composites are terrible. But Francis, to his credit, he is the best sand man he finds in the Senate floor. And then they've got to go back, man, They've got to go back and let everyone know that you can get old because Peter euston Of is an old man. He's got white hair, never seen something, and they wouldn't have action. Yeah, everybody is duly fascinated his hair, and they all want to touch it, and he always he's like the Pillsbury doughboy getting poked.

He's it's embarrassing how what a great actor he is, but how useless he I can't even I can't overest him. You know, when they're finally surrounding him in the final shot and that there's this like one hippie girl who's come up and she's look white hair. I would like to have I would have liked had they had at least one of the characters went this is what getting Old looks like send me to carousel. Now, can you imagine how bad he melded? Because they're not bathing?

If he could take dip in. Some pool or something, and yeah, he could go in the fucking that that mirror pond that they that Jenny and Michael Yorke are floating around and for another interminable moment. It just goes on. And I don't know if there's any I hate to say, but he's probably the biggest weakness that I could find in me because he there's any number of actors or performances have worked for that character and his. The character itself is a problem because he's a nothing of a character.

He only exists to be Old as a symbol. And originally that was the idea that they the script. He was only in that one scene, but then everyone fell in love with Peter houston Off, so they carried him through to the finale. It was supposed to be just Jessica and Logan going back and letting everyone know that it's about there's. This there's a sequence where when they decide to go back and tell everybody about what sanctuary that they don't have to die at thirty, they go back with the old Man, and it's this montage of every Matt painting we've seen going in they're coming out now, and in every scene he's just the old Man is just prattling on and on.

They're going through the water, they're reflecting fish here until the fish work, And every scene I kept waiting for the moment where Logan is like, you know what, can you just shut the fuck up for it's been hours you've been doing this to us. It would just drive me up a wall to have this guy prattling on and on. But back they go, back o and here we go. We got to bring down the fucking totalitarian regime. How are we going to do it?

Let's just scream to people. But that was one of my favorite parts, because Logan gets up there and he's like, you don't have to die, and for a moment everybody watches him, and then they all just laugh and go, we're going to carousel, see you later. That's how that's what would actually happened. No one's gonna says his rally should have been the end of the Yeah, it should have been him being dragged off like thx one, one, three eight or something like some dystopian real nightmare. Thank you for your service, sir, because if there's one thing I hate in all of science fiction, it is defeating an artificial intelligence with a logic problem.

Oh I must be lying otherwise, or that you know that is a star trek. The truth therefore does not compute. Yeah no mad, Yeah no mad, and no mad is carried over here because that's exactly what happens. It asks questions, it separates his personality into seven distinct holograms to get the truth out of him, and every answer does not compute for them because they know there's a sanctual and there has to be any blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then so basically the computer overloads itself and then starts a series of explosions, thus conveniently side stepping any actual evolution here.

Oh boy, Yeah, there's no revolution. But what the people are now? They feel lost because the what governed them is no more, so that that doesn't really count as a shift in thinking. It's just no they're going to be now. Those cities are destroyed, the dome is down, They're all out in the wilderness.

None of them know how to fend for themselves at all. At least half of them are going to be dead within a few months just from exposure for disease. There must be things they're going to be exposed to that they've never been exposed to before. They've got no they've got no immute. They've been raised and nurtured inside of a closed.

Yeah, it's this is the same as like the happy ending of a fight club. You know what I mean? The world is fucked, you realize now that's I'm glad they found romance, but everything is destroyed. This isn't really a happy ending for people at large. But yeah, it's And again it is a direct parallel.

The Apple was like this, Who where the hippie they walk into heaven with the old I think it's Joss Acklin plays the old hippie in that Here it's Peter Ustino. He was a character of a fascination for all of the sheltered whatever the citizens of the city. Now for It's not terrible, but as amateurish, let's say, as a lot of the visual effects are the actual physical special effects. I want to mention the guy Glenn Robinson. He's the one who figured out how to haul eighteen people into the air for carousel and not get them all killed, which almost happened because he had them all hooked up to one winch.

And then he figured out a system where the platform above and below can spin in eighteen separate winches work, even though they filmed it in reverse. Nevertheless, all the physical effects, all the physical apparati that they end up encountering, are all great. I mentioned the scanner that they have for the main computer. That's fantastic. When they go to the new you, the operating table, that's all physical robot stuff, that's all great.

The only really fall down with Box, but it's such a colossal misstep. Yeah, it's a Box sized misstep in this whole movie. It's hard to get ask that because for everything this movie does right, there's probably another three or four that it's wrong or that have dated so poorly that they're laughable. But you know what, we've got to triumph. We've gotta be individuals and we're gonna fight the power, fight the powers that be, And they do that here and look very clumsy and very poor and could have been more effective.

Look, we've already said it. The perfect toppling of a dystopian society is the spark and at the end of Rollerball, that's all we need. Nothing's gonna be nothing's going to be the same after everyone starts chanting after that, bout, we're gonna have to talk about. Roll Absolutely, you don't even you're not even assured that things are gonna work out for Jonathan. They probably won't because now he's become very dangerous.

Oh they're gonna kill him immediately. Yeah right, But that's not But that's. Besides the point. It's because of what he what he represents. That everyone on earth watched him say no, I'm not retiring, I'm gonna win this fucking thing.

So good. Yeah, maybe, john That's that's an earned and this is an unearned ending. This is three quarters a really interesting film and then a bunch of hippie slop at the. End fallow blone. Since we seem to be coming to the end of discussionists, can I have Are you familiar with the sequel to Logan's.

Run Logan the book? No, the TV movie? No? No? Then I don't know any sequel to Logan's.

Have you ever heard of Logan's Sanctuary? I don't think I have I'm feeling deficient as a nerd right now. That's okay. I want to just take a moment and talk about this. And I'm surprised that you didn't come across the Center Travels.

Okay, Logan's Sanctuary. There was a soundtrack to Logan Sanctuary. If you're aware of this, was Gene Simmons involved. No, it was an actual fact. Logan's Sanctuary is the soundtrack to an imaginary sequel to Logan.

Okay, see this makes a lot more sense to me. I came across the CD back in my younger days, follow Blight. Maybe you don't remember. Maybe I used to spend all my money on bds. And of course I remember every Tuesday, every Tuesday was.

New Rely Day. Nowadays it's Friday, but back then it was every Tuesday, and I would go to Newbury Comics on my break from work, on my lunch break, and I would spend ridiculous amount of twenty that couldn't afford anyway. One day I went and in the new release rack was called Logan's Sanctuary and there was iconography and imagery that looked like it came from Logan's run. I said, crazy, this is two thousand, year two thousand, didn't I remember that? Yes, anyway, I had always admired that they kept doing it after the year two thousand.

That's right, they can't. They had consistency with it, and this was not although this wasn't pre internet. The Internet was around, but it wasn't ze to find interesting. So I had no choice but to assume buying it that maybe there was a sequel that maybe was not that heralded or something. And I eagerly bought it, and I brought it home and it was fantastic.

I love the It's very tongue in cheap, but the musicianship is fantastic. It's a guy named Roger Manning who was in the power pop group Jellyfit, and his partner in this was guy Brian Reitzel, who was in Red Crow. They also had an assist on a couple of songs by another member of former member of Jellyfit by the name of Jason Faulkner. In fact, he sings the only song that had vocals, called Search for Tomorrow. It's fantastic, but the whole soundtrack is done in the style of something here in the seventies.

It's all pretty much it's Moog Mog synthesizer with your basic drum, bass, guitar rhythms works Gangbuster okay. And there are song titles like the game Lara's Rainbow, Endless Tunnels of Regard, and you can almost play the movie in your head that's being represented by the soundtrack. And it's precisely the type of thought experiment father Bahve that gets That gets my juices, and I love the idea that there's the imaginary soundtrack that someone has taken the time to make and you can play the movie in your head and make your own movie. So I just I wanted to call that out because it's just I just thought it was brilliant. It came out of nowhere.

I don't know if you can stream on Spotify. I don't even know if it's on YouTube, because I just listened back to my own copy or the purposes. If it's out there, the link is in the show notes listeners. It's really good because these guys are all town. Another signpost for this Roger Manning, I believe a couple of years prior did this project called the Mogue Cookbook, which some people might be familiar with, which at the time was a novel concept of let's do alternative covers but using vintage synthesizers, so they would do like basket Case by Green Day, but all done on vintage equipment, and so it's really cool.

Jason Faukner is a fantastic He's a Swiss Army And if these guys have all performed with beck Air the touring group, I think a couple of years ago they did a tribute to the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson. I don't know if you ever saw. It was on like CBS where they had like bands come and do covers Surf and Safari and whatever modern covers. Jason Faulkner was in the house band. The guy is so good and utilitary and he could play or sing just about any I would encourage everybody.

If you want to continue you that fun Logan's Run thing, check out Logan's saying sho. If you don't want to continue the Logan's Run fun thing, but want to continue Logan's Run, then you can go on YouTube and watch the nineteen seventy seven television adaptation starring at Gregory what's his name, Gregory Harrison and fucking Donald Moffett as a robot. Oh, I saw just I didn't look on YouTube. I should have assumed that there's the pilot must be up there somewhere. It was.

Every episode is up. It's basically half half a season. I tuned in earlier today just to watch the credit sequence, figuring at least the credit sequence will be good, and it's not. It's just a bunch of slit scans with titles racing at you and then shots randomly of those people. And yeah, it's basically they just intercut tons and tons of shit from the movie into the series in order to give it production value.

But the conceit of the series is that Logan and Jessica are perpetually on the run. It's just like Wagon Train or The Fugitive or The Incredible Hull that they thought they would just have different adventures every week, and they just filmed it in the fucking on location like an a team episode. It's so it's just him on the run when every episode just. Yeah, it starts with basically a recap of the film because you have all the same players and Francis as his friend, and then he goes on the run. By the end of the pilot, and then the series was him on the run, Logan's Run.

I meant to chase up some of the info on the series, but I did not have a chance. It really bad, honestly to me, Like Gregory Harrison was I think primarily known for Trapper John Andy, but I will always know him as Chandler, the surfboard manufacturer from the movie to the North Shore. You remember north Shore. Of course, I remember Turtle Man. He was a soul surfer.

Greg He wouldn't let the kid take his board out because he was surfing for the wrong reason. That's Gregory Harrison to me. Man, then continue that memory of him and do not watch the terrible series. Let me complain about one more thing about the movie before we wrap up here, which is there comes a point in the movie I mentioned it earlier where they encounter a female runner and Logan doesn't kill her, and then it's this first act to let her know that he's with her, and it's first act of mercy as an actual sandman, which is completely undone when Francis shows up and blasts great scene, except the actress in it. I looked at her and it's her last day, right, So she's running, but she looked like she was forty years old, and I thought, it isn't thirty.

The cutoff like, she looks remarkably older. I don't mean to pick on her, but she looked way older than every and I thought. My first thought was, but she's been down here a while, I guess, But no, it's her day and she's on the run. And then she turns into performance that's fucking terrible. Nothing pulled me out of the movie.

Not the not seeing the little chain that's running the little cars through the pneumatic tubes and their model at the beginning didn't pull me out the way her terrible performances. It was so bad that I went, who is this person? I guarantee you she's connected to the executives or producers in some way, and she saw David's assistant, the producer of this movie, Laura Lindsay is her name, and she didn't perform in anything else. Imagine that, Yeah, you're right. There's a few isolated moments where you go, there's no way these people are thirty and this person is thirty, and that you're right in that case, at the risk of seeming uncharitable, towards the actress.

It's not as if she's not beautiful, but there's no way she are just turning. Yeah, I think, well, like Michael, New York is already pushing it as far as about to turn thirty or thirty in a year or two. And if they cast her, if they had cast an actress who was older looking in a way to convince us that these people are younger than I would say yes, But that's not what's going on here. They just said, oh, look at my assistant a job. Yeah, I think there's some napotism.

I think didn't wasn't The doctor who operates the a New U clinic. I think he's somehow related to the director or the producer. He's his son. Not to say that, but he's not a bad actor, and actually I think he does well in the park. Yeah, he was good.

This woman was terrible. Anyway, I'm going to stop beating on it now and just say overall, I had a really good time watching this. I did too. Surprisingly I sent this to you offline before we got on here. There was a lot that I was reminded that I loved, and there was a lot that I was reminded but on a balance of it, I think it's a very worthwhile movie despite a lot of the consistence and jumpiness of the edit and everything.

I thought it was. I thought it was good. I'd love it if someday they could possibly find some of that lost footage. But it's my understanding that when I think when the studio was sold or something they destroyed, it was the custom at the time to destroy the left door of a footage, and it may never be fair. Yeah, I don't know that it's necessarily going to add a whole lot to it.

It's not going to change the ending of the movie in any way significantly. It does there are some scenes where we get a little bit more of the conspiracy with Jessica six and her fellow potential runners, and the scenes what we've already mentioned. But if look, what needs to happen is they need to make that book into a series and not a movie. Do it proper or do this again and do it right, because either our potentially great future entertainment. I think.

Yeah, I thought I read somewhere that at one point Leonardo DiCaprio was attached to a possible remake, But again he gets attached to a lot of exactly. I'm sure people are just attaching him to their project without his knowledge. Even Yeah, it could work. There's a lot you could do within the movie and its themes, the way affects work. Now, I think it could.

I think it could work. Just cast it, make it interesting. Sure, there we go. All right, we're here at the end. I guess thank you all for joining us here for a delightful discussion.

Honestly, I had a really good time. So thank you Jason for selecting this movie. We'll get to interspace when that Blu ray finally comes out. HP until that Interspace finally comes out. Where can people find you?

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