Star Trek Fest - Star Trek Into Darkness (2013)

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Oh. Speaking of which, here we are movie number two. They kept it a secret, but it wasn't a secret. But it wasn't is he isn't he? It's John Harris And that's what I read online.

Anyway, here's the trailer. You think you can't make mistakes, but the choices you make could get yourself and everyone under your command killed. But I believe in you, gentlemen. Darkness, he's coming. This could just be the beginning, getting a all out.

War, a request permission to go after him. I cannot allow you to do this, Jim. You're not actually going after this guy, are you. Let's go get this son of a bitch. Man, you were a poem cock.

Sir, there's a ship heading right forres You. Can't even guarantee the safety of your own crew. Now shall we begin? I'm sorry, we're out numbered. Out gund.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do. The ship's dead, summer she's coming. No, she's not. No ships should go down without her captain.

I believe in you, Jim hb Yes, sir, see it into darkness in the theater? I did? I did? I saw it. I did see it in the theater.

I went in with a rather jaded point of view, I have to say, just because of what you just mentioned, which is this this lame attempt by Abrams and the actors to hide the fact that this is just a retread of Wrap of Khan. But I tried to go in with an open mind. But I had that in the back of my mind at the same time. Where'd you see it? I saw it in Framingham at the AMC Theater.

Just I think, interesting, Why wait, did you see it? I also saw it an AMC theater here at the town Square in Las Vegas, NEVAA. I think, yeah, And that's the only time I saw it was in the theater, and then I watched it again. For this me too. Yeah, I was, yeah, okay, look for the run up for this movie.

But the previous film was a gargantuan success, and there was no way they weren't making And now when they were doing the first one, Lost was still going on. Now Lost is over, So the writing team gains Damon Lindelot. Ndeloff comes to them with a story about insurrection within Starfleet and a rogue general trying to provoke a war. And then Alex Kurtzman and Robert Orsey wove their magic onto the script and just try to remake Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan on top of that story. We're calling that magic, yes, weaving magic.

Oh my god. These guys are magicians, They're wordsmiths, they are do do They are the pinnacle of screenwriting prowess. Anyway, the movie is Star Trek Into Darkness, released on April the twenty third in Sydney, that's the day after my birthday, but it was released on May the fifteenth, which is my ex wife's birthday, on twenty thirteen here in the United States. The film was directed by J. J.

Abrams, written as I Said by Robert Orsey, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindeloff, and starring in alphabetical order, John Chow, Benedict Cumberbatch, Alice Eve, Bruce Greenwood, Simon Pegg, Chris Penn, Chris Pine could have been any of them, Zachary Zachary Quinto, Zoey Seltana Karl Irvin, Peter Weller and the late Antony Elkin HP. What's this goddamn movie about? Would you tell us, am I talking about what they wanted to make us believe it was about or what it was actually about. Tell me what the actual plot of this is. Okay, So the actual plot is this.

There's a mysterious figure named John Harrison, not the composer of the preep show soundtrack. There's a rogue figure named John Harrison who is committing acts of terrorism, and there's an Admiral Marcus sends Kirk and the Enterprise on a mission to bring him back to justice, and through the course of events in the movie, we realized that not only is Harrison not who we think he is, but in fact, Admiral Marcus's motives are not what we believe they are as well, and Adventure and hijinx en sue and the Enterprise is once again put into peril. They love beating up the fucking Enterprise. Man. Oh yeah, Okay, I'm gonna give my initial take on the movie because I hated it with a passion.

Me too, Me too. It is so not Star Trek in so many ways. The entire last half of this movie is garbage. Here's my take on the movie. Ultimately, this was I didn't like the movie overall the first time I saw it.

When I rewatched it, I liked it a great deal more because I liked the story that was actually going on here, which is Admiral Marcus is trying to provoke a war with the Klingon Empire because he wants Starfleet to fucking take over the goddamned universe, right, and he's trying to do that now. Clearly, like I said, this is Damon lindelof mak A making a an allegory for the United States after nine to eleven, rushing into a war in the Middle East. And that's what Star Trek's all about, right, Like reflection of the times. So I'm totally down with that plot. Line, and it needs to happen.

And I like the idea of a bigger, meaner ship attacking the Enterprise, but of Starfleet origin. Everything with Cohn, however, is fucking garbage, remains it remains garbage, like when he's functioning as a just a chaotic element within Starfleet. This a member of Section thirty one, the dirty Trick section of Starfleet. I was down with this storyline. Man.

I liked all the stuff on Earth, even like all the stuff in London, Like when I didn't know what was happening, I really enjoyed the. That is one hell of a sentence right there, when I didn't know what was going on. I loved this movie. That's fantastic. Put that on the poster.

Hey, that's a step up from this is total fucking burning garbage and should be buried now, which was my initial thing because it is let's talk about what you said. The run up to the movie, Oh yeah, was so fucking ludicrous. It was like, as soon as we knew Benettt Cumberbatch was in it, and as soon as we knew there was some central villain that were going to be chasing down, we were all like these idiots only know the movies, so it's going to be com And then we spent what a year with them going Nope, not con John Harrison. Like literally denying it. That's we're not soft selling the idea that they were being evasive.

They Abrams literally denied it. And I remember one of the funny things that I was reminded of when I was doing the research here that there was a there was an Entertainment Weekly cover story on Star Trek into Darkness and when you go on when you went online, this would have been February, ahead of the movie's premiere. The headline of that particular issue was Voyage into the New Star Trek Kirk and Kahn. This was a full three months before the movie was premiered. And then this other this fan site caught wind of this and reported on it, and the next thing, you know, EW dot com changes it to Voyage into Star Trek with Kirk and Bock.

They weren't fooling anybody, and they were this was we love to poke fun at these Marvel actors like like Holland and all these people who give away secrets of the movies. This is this was a central piece of the plot that was completely spoiled ahead of the movie's release, but the fact that they weren't. Honestly, they weren't fooling anybody. I say that, but they weren't fooling anybody, And I wouldn't extremely with an extremely cynical point of view, I wouldn't. I remember sitting down going, God, I know this is con this is so ridiculous.

Why are they trying to obfuscate the truth on this. To a certain degree, the movie was a bit spoiled for me going into it. But having said that, I will say this father alone, there are things about the movie that I enjoyed, and I actually enjoyed them a little more like you, and I don't think I wouldn't say I loved the movie more. There were things that I appreciated more. The movie kicks off, I thought, very well, it moved.

There's a great sequence where they are trying to basically disarm an active volcano in a pre warp primitive civilization. And this is not just pre warp. These are cave men. Basically, they're wearing masks and mudded bodies. Yeah, they're worshiping a cloth that Kirk has stolen to distract them and draw them away from a temple that's soon to be destroyed by the said volcano.

But it's fantastic. It's it puts you right into the action immediately, and it's funny, and there's action because Spock has basically gone into the volcano with this heat suit. But then there's a problem and the shuttle that took him there has to leave, and you're not sure if he's gonna It's literally this is the first three minutes of the movie, and you're like, Yeah, this is action packed, this is funny, this is exciting. Let's go so that I actually like that then, and I liked it now. I agree with you.

It is an exciting sequence, and I love the entire look of it. There aren't enough red planets with that, there aren't enough crazy flora and fauna, even the Avatar worlds. To me, it just looks like our jungles with occasional bioluminescence. This looks like an alien world. So I really appreciated that.

I love the look of the aliens. So yeah, as an exciting opening to this movie, it really works. As a Star Trek fan sitting in the theater, however, everything I was watching, I was like what the fuck is happening? Who's the captain? Like?

What? Who is letting any of this occur? They are first of all, interfering with a pre war planet, which is a they're breaking the prime directive and going down to do that volcano. They then went and interacted with those primitive and then they let them see the enterprise. No no, no.

And I know they make it a little plot point here coming up just to get some of the get some friction going, but I don't know, man, it was It's garbage. As far as I can say, I like it as a sequence. I appreciate what it does for this particular type of Star Trek storytelling, but there's he's so much wrong. It's all the prime directive stuff. It's like, let's break the prime director and again and again, and it's called the prime directive.

True. And I think this goes back to your criticism of the first movie, and we had some back and forth on that, and I'm not disputing what you're saying. I'm just saying I'm I was more willing to just accept that this is not that, this is not William Shatner, this is not Leonard Nimoy, This is a more reckless Captain Kirk who allows all this to happen. It's a little slapsticky and it's a little goofy, But I appreciated it because it was fun and light and interesting, and the action was good and the look of it was good. Another thing I will say about the movie is that I think the effects are even better than they were in the first one.

It's all most of it's just CG, but it still works. I actually, frankly, I can't believe that this movie is what thirteen years old now. It feels like it just came out. So it looks it still looks good. Thin, it looks fantastic industrial light and magic doing the visual effects here from the ground up.

Oh you know it's going to be quality. Yeah. There's a difference between saying these are new characters with new rules and everything, and then there's the prime directive and you just can't get around it because here's what would actually happen. There would be no tribunal. He would be immediately stripped to the starship and he would not be allowed back into the Academy.

He would just be bounced out, man like. That's the end of Kirk's career and they don't like but this is typical of their storytelling. We just like what we like them when we're going to do that, and if it contradicts that what we want to do, we don't care, which doesn't make any sense. Also, whoa also. Like a blooper?

Okay, putting aside the trapesing across Star Trek canon territory, why is the Enterprise submerged in this ocean? Don't know? I mean, I'm this isn't about old tos Kirk and fucking Shatner and Nimoy versus these guys, or they're not playing with the rules or anything, but like, why on Earth or why on this planet would they fucking take the fucking Enterprise out of orbit and into an ocean? It doesn't I agree, that doesn't make any sense, and that there's never an attempt to explain it. The only reason I can think of bottom a loan is the very simple because it looks cool.

And that's the only reason there is. And that sucks because it robs any future endeavor where they could have concocted something where the Enterprise has to go into the water and then they have to deal with those sort of consequences, then that would be fantastic. But again, hey, you heard in the last episode this is consequence free star Trek. It's the kelvin verse name for a relative of jj Abrams. So now they've just pissed on that.

It's like Dave Filonian Stark, all of my characters get to be live action. Now I'm running the show slush. Oh anyone you know that's a beverage in his universe, right? Sure, I don't even know what it is, but jj Abrams people are constantly going on in a fucking slush show. Not so much anymore now that we realize what a Charlotte did.

He just knows how to start fucking interesting stories then walk out of the room. I as an action sequel. Yeah, and this is what prompts Kirk to lose his command because Captain Pike is bad or now Admiral Pike is back. I was very happy. I forgot that Bruce Greenwood was in this as well.

I loved him in the first one, and he's he doesn't have as much to do here, but he's still good. So he he upbraids Kirk, takes away his command, but does what happens is Spock is reassigned to the Bradbury, another ship, and Kirk is now going to be the first officer for now Captain Pike because Captain Pike has reassumed command of the Enterprise. So it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense because yeah, but I again, I could sit here and nitpick every little thing, but it just tires me. So I'm just like, I'm along for the ride, except that all of this is bullshit.

It's not Cannon, it's probably and he died. In the wool. Star Trek fan would lose their you would lose the shit about this. I'm just like, what am I going to do? I can't apologize for it, So I'm just along for the ride.

I wonder when we get to the con portion of this conversation, you're going to have such a laissez faire attitude. No, no, no, I'm just along for the ride, y'all. No, no, no, that's I draw the line because, as anyone. So, there is a line where you can just go where you have to re engage as a participant in the Star Trek universe and go what the fuck is happening? It was a little because, like I said, the run up to it was already infuriating to me.

Then it was infuriating because I it just okay, putting aside all of the I can't call them dippics, putting all the issues that you and others and even me to a degree have with some of this rewriting of the legend. To me, when you have when you're basically rewriting or doing a redo of Wrath of Khan, which we've already talked about, how important that is to the Star Trek film universe and to us personally. This is a movie that we're still affected by. So then those those characters still affected, he fucked them up. So for me, though, if you're just gonna just do the same fucking story, only switch it around so that I'll just say Kirk guys instead of Spock, and to me, it's a gigantic and it becomes a gigantic waste of time At that point for me, I'm tapping out.

I'm like, what am I doing here? I've already seen this movie before thirty years ago or whatever it was, So that you can call it a line, you can call it. That's all I can stand is, I can't stand no more. Whatever you want to call it. That's when I go, Okay, no, Moss, I'm done.

I saw watched one of those behind the scenes. I thought you're gonna say, hpa, have you ever heard of the Mirror Universe. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, cut that out. Go ahead, No, I'm not kidding that. I'm gonna leave that part in.

I watched one of these behind the scenes documentaries made at the time of and JJ Abrams is saying, since we created the Kelvin universe and this is a whole other timeline, we're starting anew and we can go anywhere we want. And I'm like, yeah, you definitely could have man. And went right back to the fucking well. And this is a case of why do we need to have individual movies? Why can't we just jump to the Avengers.

This is like Justice Leap. We're not gonna work our way up to this monumental event. We just want to jump right to that, and we want you all to come with us, because we've seen you do that. That's what this feels like. Spock dying in Star Trek two, that's in nineteen eighty two.

He had been around since what sixty six. Everyone knew Spock. It was a huge fucking deal for that character and for the fans because we had lived with them forever. This is totally unearned. Yeah, and I made note of that in my notes too, that we even though Khan was only the second of the original series, move these they we had.

We had gone through the sixties and we had all lived these characters in reruns. And you're right, it was completely unearned when we see Kirk die. And the other thing is we know that they're going to be back. The first of these remakes was so successful. There's no way in hell they're going to let Chris Pine stay dead.

Even they couldn't even wait until the next movie to bring him back. It was. It's just such a cult. I don't feel any emotion when Spock died in con That was a very emotional scene, and that's something that it was a really special moment. Here, it's just another piece of shoe leather to the end of the movie.

Yeah, if you're I know, we jumped right to the end, everybody. But if you're going to kill Captain Kirk in this film series where you've established yeah this is a new timeline, that would have been the boldest fucking thing of all time. Man, imagine Star Trek three and they just don't even address Captain Kirk. He's just dead. That was What does that do for Spock?

What does Spock do? Who's is he the captain? Does he have a new first officer? What happens? That would have been kind of bold.

You're right, that's exactly the word. It would have been bold and interesting. But instead they want to just rush through all of the Star Trek movies. As you said, they want to jump right to the end of Star Trek three and bring back Spock. But in this case, bring back Kirk.

And we'll get to that portion of it because we need to talk about everything leading up to this bullshit. Ye yeah, Like I said, after that sequence, that's when we get the John Harrison introduction, the Benedic Cumberbatch, and then he's got it. He's not blackmailing, but he's kind of blackmailing this section thirty one guy to set off a bomb, which I loved. I love all of that. Speaking of the look of the movie, I love that alien planet.

I loved the Earth that they've come up with in the Kelvin universe. I'm going to give them that This looks great. This to me looks like what a Federation planet ought to look like in the Terran future. It was cool and mysterious because this guy comes out of nowhere. He makes this deal with this guy, this employee or this officer at Section thirty one to save his daughter from some incurable disease, and you're like, who's what's his motives?

Why does it became? It was a mystery at that point, and I was again, if we'd put Cohn out of this movie entirely, I totally agree, it would have been so much cooler, because what's John Harrison about and why is he getting this guy to blow up this what we believe at the time is just a Starfleet archive? What's this all about? Yeah? Why can't John Harrison just be a disgruntled Section thirty one guy who was used too often to do too many hideous things and now feels like Starfleet needs to go down and knows of Marcus's ultimate plan.

Let's talk about Admiral Market, clearly named and envisioned here as Carol Marcus's father and Carol Marcus, of course, because this is wrap of Kahn for Fox's sake, Karl Marcus is, of course, the mother of Kirk's only child, David. And were they married at any point. I don't know if they were married. No, they were not married, As she specifically says, I had to you weren't going to change who you were, so I left. Yeah, so I don't like.

I think this is a good idea as far as to introduce legacy characters into the series, Like I want to see Kirk and Carol Marcus's introduction. We were denied that because they introduced her so late into the series. She's not part of the original series, and she's in she shows up in Wrath of Khan and then we never see her again. Sure, no, it is an interesting idea. I was happy to see Peter Weller.

I always like him and everything that he does. He plays an asshole very well, and this movie is no exception. Robo Want Cookie, Robo Want Cookie. You saw the documentary, that eight hour documentary about Robo. Yeah, everyone partake of that endless nightmare.

Yeah, but that remains. RoboCop remains one of my favorite movies of all time. Oh, it's fucking fantastic. And he was great in that. He's great in that he makes a perfect Starfleet admiral on it.

If he had been a good guy, imagine they could have kept him on for the rest of the series. It would have been great. I will say one thing, he is fantastic, But there's very little doubt that there's something going on with Admiral Marcus from the very beginning. He the meter which runs from good guy to bad guy is maybe a little too heavily weighed on the bad guy side from the outset. So you're already questioning this guy's motives from the very beginning.

Maybe if he had modulated a little bit, it would have been more interesting. Yeah, let's talk about that plan. Okay, so we meet them when John. Let's talk about the attack then Harrison's attack on Starfleet where they. It's not a Godfather three, let's be honest.

Where they have a planet wide emergency because of the bombing in London. So all of Starfleet's admirals gather together in a conference room with a giant, gigantic bay window. Yeah that aparently just like Godfather three. Yeah, where apparently the airspace around Starfleet is completely open to anyone who wants to fly around. They don't even have automated like turrets or warnings or alarms.

So let you know that there's an unauthorized ship in your airspace. But how about a shield that closes those giant bay windows at the first sign of trouble. It makes it, It should have made it into an impregnable bunker at that point once they started shooting in. How about they all beam up to a starship in orbit where nothing could possibly happen. It's star trek, everybody.

This is so stupid that again, I like the story, I just don't like the way they're telling it. I particularly don't like to think that they still have fire hoses in the twenty third century. What I did like, though, The thing that I liked is, I like any part of a movie where a character like has a like a rush of intuition about something and they're having they're in the middle of this sort of meeting, and that's when Kirk goes, you know what, like why this useless archive like you could have? That's like attacking a library. And then he says, wait a minute, though, that when there is an emergency start a starfleet protocol says that we that all of the senior officers gathered together.

So he realizes that was part of Harrison's plan, which is putting the ridiculousness of them being so vulnerable aside. That's kind of cool. It was kind of like this thing clicks in the place and you go, oh shit, that this is why. You do like when characters do that, because you admired him doing that in the last movie. We're just like we're walking into a.

Trip exactly exactly here, it's a little more earned because he's a little more seasoned, and you would figure he would be up on protocol. Having said that, he's clearly not up on the prime directive, but he knows all of the obscure starfleet regulations, but we'll move on from it. And he knows the obscure starfleet phrases like throw me under the bus. If they're still saying throw me under the bus in the twenty third century, we don't deserve to be part of the federation. It should be like throw me under the people carrier or something like that, some sort of airlift vehicle or something.

I didn't know you would stab me with a Thanagarian dagger, Like I'm mixing my fandoms here. Thanagarian is hawkman is hell are we talking about. Oh, we're talking about the scene where Kirk throws a fire hose that he pulls out of a wall. Like they're still going to have to put out fires in these buildings in the twenty third cent, they wouldn't have any sort of high tech new thing, something handheld. Maybe that just sucks all the oxygen out of a particular area, or I don't anything.

I don't. Yeah, we should back up, so we didn't exactly say what happened. So what happens is Harrison is flying a jump ship and he flies it in front of this big, giant bay window and just starts riddling conference room with I don't know if they're bullets, some sort of projectile weapon, and everybody, including Pike, is getting wiped out left and right. Yeah, Pike gets wiped in. Yeah, which works dramatically.

You got to kill the dad. It gives Kirk enough reason to follow Admiral Marcus is directed. I question why Spock is mind melding him at the very moment of his death, though that seemed a little. Weird to because he was he was no longer verbal at that moment. Oh, I guess he was trying.

He was trying to communicate with him and unfortunately got to experience his death, which they didn't really play up anymore in the rest of Me other than using that as a harbinger of things to come. John Harrison then uses the technology, the ridiculous non can and technology of transporting across time and space thanks to Scotty's formula that apparently anyone can do now and why do they even need spaceships anyway, and he goes to the Klingon home world. That makes sense, right, He's not in league with the Klanon, but he thinks they're not going to go there. My point is this is John Harrison is trying to thwart the Federation, right because he knows that they're starting. He's going to he knows Marcus's plan, which is just an attempt to start a war with the Kleons, and then goes to the Kleons.

He basically guns everybody down and then does what Marcus wants him to do, which makes Khan the stupidest villain of the Star Trek films altogether. Yeah, and they do make the point later of seeing him in action and seeing how his mind works. This at this point in the movie, we don't know that he's not in We don't know if he is in cahoots with Admiral Marcus or not. So at this point maybe it's all part of Marcus's grand plan. But in retrospect, after having seen the movie, it is completely dumb because he plays exactly into Admiral Marcus's hands, because that's what Marcus's ultimate goal is to start a trigger a war with the Klingons.

So for it splicable reasons, that's exactly what John Harrison does. He does exactly what Marcus. Wants, and he does rather and Marcus's plan now is not I need you to go apprehend this criminal who is on Chronos. I need you to go fire a missile in assassinate speaking of the fucking prime directive. This ain't Section thirty one, baby, this is straight up Starfleet.

You can't order your captain to do that. And you know what, even if he did, the first officer who already turned in his best friend slash captain of his starship for breaking the prime directive and saving everybody, would be the first bring to sound the alarm to the rest of the fucking Federation that that's about to happen. He should, and he does tell Kirk, don't you think it's weird? I mean that this Why are we gonna assassinate this guy? We should be he at least alerts Kirk if Kirk isn't already aware that this is a breach of protocol of the highest order, like why are we gonna do this?

But Kirk, at this point in the movie is blind by rage at his mentor Aperal Pike or Captain Pun this case, getting murdered. Regulations protocol be damned. Kirk sets a chorus for Chrono. Look, see, this is why the writing is so stupid, because it's so easy to fix something like that. It's just he just tells Kirk, don't tell the rest of your career, this is what's happening.

And then I don't have a problem with Spock not immediately turning everybody in as potential assassins within starfleet. It's so fucking dumb. Okay, let's talk about the blingans, shall we. Yeah, the incessant need to rewrite everything and put your own fucking spin on it. Where we go?

Okay, the klingon home World. I guess we're supposed to be in a section that's been abandoned part of Kronos. That is the all the warfare has decimated this area, so they've abandoned it and moved on. And this is I guess this is his moment in the movie, right, this is her sequence because she's the translator. She speaks kling On props for everybody speaking Klingon.

I liked that a lot, but I hate everything else. The Klingon's attitude is are good, but I hate the fucking bird of prey that they show up And what is that? Yeah, it looks like it looks former, it looks like insectoid. It doesn't look like that. You know, that giant bird with the raised wings coming at you.

It has an echo of that. But I agree. I didn't like the look of it either at point and very skeletal looking. And then it's hey, what haven't we done. They don't have facial jewelry.

We've never seen that before. Let's do that. Don't do that. Do a sketch of that and look at it and go, this is stupid. Let's not do this.

So they can coct this half baked plan to he Kirk forms an away team. They're going to go under the guise of being traders, or mercenaries of some sort I don't remember exactly, And they take a ship down there with a bunch of Red Shirts and they're almost immediately they're taken down by these Klingons and for his gambit of using her Klingon to diffuse the situation goes awry. But just there he is. There's John Harrison. He says, Superman actually saves the day.

Yeah, he comes in and basically is a one man wrecking crew and he basically takes out all of the Klingons. And at this point, when I was watching it into the theater, I was like, wait, isn't he in league with the Klingons? Because I assume he has to be right like he why would he go to Kronos to hide like, other than it's so convenient for the plot that he goes to Kronos. Oh so, yeah, he kicks a lot of ass and then they take him into custody after Kirk punches him over and over and over. Well, he surrenders.

It's important to say he surrenders, it's not. They don't take him into custody. That's once he he asks them about those missiles or those torpedoes, how many there are and they say there're seventy two, and he's okay. Then I surrender, which creates this mystery around what is it about these torpedoes. That's because we just saw him take out a whole failings of Klingons.

Three or four of these green recruits from Starfleet are going to do nothing, but he surrenders. Now there is one sequence I failed to mention, or we failed to mention, which is actually I'm surprised I did because it's my favorite sequence in the film, or my favorite plot line. And I know, yeah, as a Star Trek fan, the actual thing that's Star Trek in this which is they're loading these phantom torpedoes onto the Enterprise and Scotty has to sign off on the manifest and he says, I don't know what's in them. I'm not signing, and Kirk says, I'll accept your resignation, and he quits. He fucks off, and then that ends up playing into the rest of the plot.

In the best part of this movie, that is exactly what Montgomery Scott would do if he brought something onto the Enterprise that he had to inspect and you were not given the right to inspect it. Not only that he says very plainly to Kirk. Look, we're Explorer. This feels like this is a military mission. That's not what we're about.

That is star trek in a nutshell right there. And that's Scotty says it in so many words to Kirk. And at that point he has no choice but to tender his regu and he leaves. But you're right. I love that.

That was a little bit bummed in the theater because I'm like, oh, man, like Scotty, that stinks. He's not going to be in the movie. But he can. Obviously they bring him back later on. Yes, they certainly do.

Okay, they haul Harrison off to the fucking ship and they put him in this cell. I like the force field with a little porthole where you can pass things through it and you can move it around on the force field itself. That's a cool innovation. Not gonna take that away. The entire Enterprise interior still looks like a gross Apple store, but little things are cool.

It's very antiseptic, very antiseptic. And by the way, in The Avengers, which came out this year, same plot where Harrison has given himself up because he wants to get on board because that's his plan to take over the Enterprise, and Loki gives himself up so you can get on the Hellicarey and he can take over anyway. But we didn't mention that. When Scotty resigns, Kirk promotes Chekhov to be the chief of Engineering in Explosive. So that's what Anton Yelkin has to do through the basically the rest of the movie, which is go, I'm sorry, kept in but there's a coolant leak.

I don't. I'm sorry he doesn't like a lot of these actors have like nothing to do in this. Obera has one moment that's kind of hers, but it doesn't last long. Checkov has nothing. Check Off, you've been promoted to comic relief.

Okay seriously, and Zulu has one interesting line that's a cool thing. He gets to be badass, but really, John Show has nothing to do in this. It's like they've reverted to the old series movies, like, yeah, that's exactly right, and Con here. Yeah, it's a shame. It's a real shame.

They could have gone anywhere. They set up their own timeline. Let's ah, let's. Aw so CON's on the ship he's given himself up. But you know, there's more to this than meets the eye and is and that's when they decide to figure out what's inside of these torpedoes.

Right. Oh, they've also discovered, by the way, that this science officer that has basically forged her her papers to join the crew is actually Admiral Marcus's daughter, Carol Marcus. We talked about her, but it comes out that she's there into false pretenses. What's her super secret spy name, Wallace. Yes, so, and this is talk about inexplicable and this was really this was very frowned upon when the movie was out, like this is one of those things that it's gratuitous, so.

It nearly gets naked for no reason. Yeah, So they decide they have to get into one of these torpedoes to see what's in what's inside. So they're going to do it on a remote planetoid so that if anything happens, the Enterprise won't be it written. So the McCoy and her are on the shuttle or something and she says, I'll turn around and all of a sudden she's in her underwear. Well for no reason.

No, No, she's on the shuttle. But it's Kirk who peeps on her makes himself look like, oh okay, okay, yeah. But so she's changing into her like jumpsuit or whatever. But we know why they did it because Alice Eve is beautiful, and hey, what movie is enlivened up with a little bit of gratuitous flesh? The thing that's what they've.

Seen is fine because she's turned around and he does it, and you get this like moment of I want to turn around, and we get a sort of typical shot from behind where you only see her arm and then they just cut to her in her full underwear and Kirk turning around and peeping on her. So it's gross because they've made us Kirk here, we're all people. On her, We are all creeps. And what is this in Star Trek, this sudden shot of this, Get the fuck out of here. It's silly.

So they go McCoy and Carol Marcus successfully diffuse this torpedo milk inside and what's inside but a person in a cryo to in suspended animation. This is where we finally figure out who John Harrison is because they go back and go, what's what's going on here? You're not telling us the whole truth. And and that's when he basically says, that's you. I am actually con Union singing, and I'm like.

No, he doesn't even say that. He says I am Khan, as if that means anything the any But it's like somebody on a cruiser in the Indian Ocean stopping on an island and picking up some guy and he goes, I'm Guy Fox, Hi guy. Okay, you're apparently named after that cuckoo guy. Didn't he try and blow up parliament or something? I don't know, I don't know his that's what it would be like, but.

It's supposed to be. They've been building up to this reveal for like you said, for a year, where they've been sitting on this. I'm using air quotes secret of who John Harrison really is. But I gotta be honest. I'm seeing this in the theater and it went over like a fart in church.

I'm like, tell me something, I don't know. This is so stupid. Yeah, and it's so presentational, but it's presentational only for the audience only because they kept this secret. Because him saying this to Jim Kirk and Bones McCoy that like Their responses should have been, I'm this is who were you, Spock? You've met Spock?

Okay, Con, Yeah, it shouldn't have any meaning for them. They don't know who cons exactly. Tell us more than just your name, because that does nothing for us. Oh you were part of the eugenics war. I've heard of those.

Yeah. So then right around this time, is this when Admiral Marcus Oh no, no, So, while Scotty has been off the ship, Con gives him a set of coordinates and says, you don't know what you're dealing with here Kirk. Kirk tells Scotty to investigate these coordinates. They're somewhere near Earth. So now Scotty is back in the fold and he's doing a little bit of espionage, which I loved, and.

We get this like him blending into a fleet of helper ship's heading into a space stock where we don't get to see what it'said. It's great, man, this is all this, This is how every subplot in a Star Trek movie ought to be. And I'm sure this exciting, and then on a payoff this heavily. Yeah, but did you notice, by the way, who the voice of the computer is as he's going under this ship, the big I don't know remember the name of the ship, but the giant ship that takes on the Enterprise. You must have noticed.

It's called the Vengeance. I don't remember, but computer voice I recognized it immediately. No, Bill Hayter, Oh well, okay, that makes sense. Yeah it was so there was no ex also the voice of BB four was he not? And that's it made sense to me then.

But there's no attempt to electronic disguise his voice. It's literally just Bill Hayter just talking as the computer was goofy. Yeah. I guess I didn't notice this last time. And I love Bill Hayter, but I didn't notice it the first time either.

But now I'm like, that is so Bill Hater, that's ridiculous. Yeah, so Scotty is It's cool because we've talked about this in relation to some of our favorite Star Trek films, especially for His Contact, where everybody has a parallel mission that they're on in the context of the larger missions. So it's really cool to see Scotty doing his thing and Kirk's doing his thing and whatever. I just wanted more of that. Unfortunately, what we get is here's where I for a moment I got to forget that khn exists in the movie.

And that's when Admiral Marcus shows up with the Vengeance, which is a massive version of a star Fleet ship. It's like easily twice, if not three times the size of the Enterprise. It's huge, but it's been so we find out that Khan. No, let's not talk about the rest of the plan with that fucking the Vengeance thing yet. I just want to say when he shows up, the tense sort of contact between Kirk and he, where Kirk has now figured out that Marcus is in on it, that whole sequence works for me as part of the bigger plot of what this movie actually wanted to be instead of this grafted on, fucking con bullshit.

Sure, no, I agree, what was It's great. It reminded me a little bit. I hate to go back to Wrath of Khan, but all that because in Wrath of Khan, you remember Kirk and Khan never actually share the same space. We're always communicating over the communicator, the communication screen on the bridge. There's a little bit of that here where there's some they're talking to each other, but Kirk's trying to figure out a way to to thwart his plans, but he doesn't want Marcus to know.

That's all great. What I like in particular here is Kirk is playing dumb effectively for most of the scene, where he's like, oh, yeah, we had problems with the It isn't as immediately confrontational as it is with con. I just love when characters are saying things that they don't like. I always point out the scene in fucking Road to Perdition with Jude Law and Tom Hanks where they're like, he's clearly an assassin after you, and you know it and he knows it. But they're talking about so what do you do for a living?

I work in machine parts. Oh, machine parts. That's wonderful, that's great, and that's a lot of this. So anyway, that's what I respond to in the scene, in addition to all of them. Sure, but where it becomes relevant is the ship Khan has was woken up by Marcus.

He found his derelict craft with Cohn and the crew still in suspended animation. He wakes up Khan and he's had Khn help him design weapons and a ship to be bigger and badder. He's leveraging Khan's savagery because he comes from three hundred years in the past. So that's where the design of the Vengeance comes from. And what's interesting is the Vengeance is also designed to operate with a minimal crew, and that that becomes very important because what we find out is Scotty is throwing away on the ship and he's able at the last minute to deactivate the weapons system.

Best part of the movie, it is best revealed, best clever thing that they actually did in this ol. The entire Scottie supply is awesome. It's fantastic. Easily I agree with you. It's my favorite part of the whole movie, which admittedly is somewhat of a low bar to get over, but it was genuinely exciting and fun, and we have a rehash of the first movies where they were at.

I just want to bring up that the idea that see this is where con ruins the movie in every fucking possible scenario because Admiral Marcus, finding out that he has access to Khan and his followers, wake's Khan and helps and uses him with the other colonists as Leverett, to help him design more and more fierce weapon and tactics. He woke up a guy from three hundred years ago and said, design me a starship. Your botany bay was a piece of shit that could barely be maneuvered, But could you please catch up on the last three hundred years of engineering and physics and astrophysics and come up. It's like saying It's like grabbing a guy from sixteen hundred and saying, fix my WiFi. It's just so boneheaded, like on every level, like why not con?

They should not have included CON. There's just no excuse. Absolutely, there's no argument there. If it had not been con We've said this already. But if it hadn't been gone, if it did figured out a different backstory, a different motive for John Harris and why he does what he does, then the invention of these newer and more powerful, technologically advanced, and fearsome weapons would have made sense.

Because maybe that's what this guy's original intent was. Maybe he's been bioengineered to be a super soldier of the future, not of the past. Maybe he is from the future. Maybe I slipped back through time, because that happens here in Star Trek. They did it in the first movie.

I was from that. I was on that mining ship and he grabbed me and has been using me, pumping me for future technology. And now he's going to use it on the Klingon Empire to start a war. Okay, that's a great plot. Let's do that.

They did it in the first movie. That's the Romulan ship is from the future and it was designed as a mining vessel, but it's unknown in the past and they're able to use it as a weapon of war because it's so advanced. It's ridiculous, Like it's just on the face of it, it's just so stupid. I want to add some red matter to this movie. I wanted to disappear in a black hole and just forget about it.

Oh man, Because here we're gonna break some more Star Trek cannon. We're gonna be able to chase you in warp and fire on you in warp. Okay, sure, okay, that's okay. And then this is my favorite thing. He knocks them out of warp and they're within basically sight of Earth.

They're effectively on the other side of them at that point, right, And here's where my favorite thing in all the Star Trek movies rears its head. Where's the rest of Starfleet? Send a message to Starfleet Command. Admiral Marcus has turned into a psychopath. He's chasing us with a giant ship.

We're on our way to Earth. Prepare the Earth Defense System to deal with what's on the way. Hey, Oohura, here's another thing for you to do in this movie. Could you call Earth? Unless we're assuming that he's jamming there there, get the fuck.

Out here, jamming their frequencies. This is the excuse for fucking everything. Get out of here. Hey, it's not my excuse. I'm just saying that's probably what they would have gone with.

Yeah, yeah, anyway, let's get to it. Let's get into the let's get to the fucking the big finale here, which is we've got to fuck these ships up and we've got to crash everything, and let's get into Generations territory. Let's remake that scene because here's where they by the way, here's where the Enterprise could have gone into the ocean and done a whole bit with the finale of this movie instead of uselessly starting the movie with it because it looked prety. It's all I'm done. What has to happen though.

It's a I started to say earlier. It's a retread of the sequence in the first movie where they have to they can't transport over to the Vengeance. Oh yeah, I forgot about this scene. Yeah, no, this and this is it's it's they're not only they're not only cribbing from the reth Con, they're cribbing from their own fucking prequel, which only came out a few years prior. So they can't transport over there.

The ship is barely functional at this point, so they come up with the idea now Con they have to collaborate with Khan in order to take down Admiral Marcus. The enemy of my friend is a friend of However, the saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So they have to put on these sort of toboggan looking suits. Yeah, yeah, the Olympics. It's very appropriate for current day.

So they they've got to put on these suits that and what they do is they're going to open the airlock on the Enterprise and these shoots, these suits are going to fly their way to the airlock of the Vengeance where awaiting Scottie is going to open the airlock just in time for them to board the ship so they can take it over, and of course things, but there's all this debris because the Enterprise has been beaten to hell, so they've got to dodge all this debris. And it's supposed to be this exciting action sequence. It was. We saw the same thing, literally the same thing in the first movie where they're going down along that drill looking thing. It's the same.

It's the same fucking sequence. It really is. Well you get no argument from me. And another one of those great moments in the behind the scenes documentary where JJ Abrams is saying, although we had done something similar to this in the previous film, we'd never really seen anyone jump from ship to ship in space except the end of Star Trek Nemesis when Data did that to get over to the Scimitar. This guy didn't even watch the later Star Trek move.

It's crazy. So they get on the ship. They after some nail biting action where Scotty almost doesn't make it, but they get on there, they fight their way to the bridge. This I actually thought was I was slightly surprised when I saw this in the theater where Khan confronts Admiral Marcus and grabs him and kills him with his bare hands, which I was not expecting. He does the blade runner thing where he basically takes Admiral Marcus's head in his hand.

We don't see it on screen, but we're led to imagine that he's crushed his head like a watermelon. Savage. It is certainly savage. I think the vengeance did not belong to him, though, it actually belonged to Kirk, who was denied the entire movie because he's the one who lost somebody at the beginning. They set that up, man, they took away.

Where's Kirk's engine? I'll tell you where it is. It's in the engine room. Did they film the engine room in that same brewery? Fucking brewery, man, the fucking Budweiser brewery.

What the hell's and everything? I think they found some other fucking facility that looks like it's on Earth in twenty thirteen instead of the twenty third century. Yeah, this will be the interior of a starship, right, yeah, yeah apparently. Yeah, it keeps showing the foundation. Yeah, it's huge though.

It goes on forever. And actually, the other brutal thing that happens just before he kills Ema Marcus is Carol Marcus was transported over to the ship in a bid for her father to avoid killing her when he destroyed the Enterprise. But to get to him, he's going to get through Carol Marcus, and I think he breaks Khan breaks for leg or something. It's really it's very it's brute, more brutal than I remember it being. Yeah, the movie could have been really good.

It could have been with a lot of work and back to the drawing board quite a bit. But look, if you're gonna dabble in this idea of the darker side of Starfleet, then might as well go all in. Yeah, but without Khan that. Could have been, but for through a few more imaginations, they transport So Khan insists they transport his people and the torpedoes back over to the ship, and if they do that, he will spare the Enterprise. So they do that.

But McCoy has been up to something. Weld exactly know what. So they transport it over and then after everything is transported over, they remotely detonate all of these torpedoes. You go, let's I actually thought it was ballsy because you're led to believe. Wow, he killed all of those crew members of Khan's ship.

That's pretty badass, but they didn't. They make the point of saying, no, we've moved them into their own cryo whatever. They're all safe. And then Kan fires on the ship. It crash, it's on it.

It's gonna crash on Earth. It's free falling in Earth's gravity. And this is where the Kan redo takes full effect because they can't get the warp drive back online and to get it to go in there is going to be suicide. Sounds very familiar, but instead of Spock being the one who gives his life for his crew, it's Kirk. And it contains none of the dramatic import We've already talked about this, but it's just so dumb.

He fixes that, he forces the warp drive back into alignment or whatever the ship is at the last minute. It saves itself. Hey, it's great, But they realize that Kirk is dead and they have that same fucking scene ship out of danger whatever. That cheerful. Yeah, and that's that was the final indignity, because there is no more.

That may be one of the most iconic Star Trek moments of all time. Bar Nune is Shatner or Kirk yelling after Kirk dies into darkness, it's Spock who's overcome with rage, and at that moment he does the con yell. And if I had been of a different frame of mind, I would have yelled at the screen and said fuck you and walked out of there. I probably should have, but I didn't. It's pretty goddamn lame.

It's this is not an innovation. Just swapping the characters. It doesn't add anything to it. And again, even if they had left it the scene, it wouldn't matter because I just met these guys. Yeah, and I literally and like you.

Said, I know they're coming back almost immediately. There's there are no stakes, no consequences in the Kelven universe. Terrible. So con crash lands on Earth in San Francisco, pretty great, he was, Yeah. I talks to Ilm.

All of the fucking destruction here is amazing. Sure, and putting aside the con tie in the chase between Spock and Con because at this point Spock just he wants vengeance now for Kirk's murder, so he transports down Con is clambering over buildings and f buying vehicles and they're having a fistfight, maybe one of the only times I can remember anybody resisting a vulcan neck pinch because he tries to apply it and and he shrugs it off or what have you. But meantime, what I did like though, is because Vulcans are crazily strong compared to humans, that they were equally matched. Because if this would be, if this were the other way, where Kirk is chasing him down, he would have just pulverized Kirk.

I'll forget about it. He'd be he'd be a pancake on the ground. Because they're on like flying cars and all this kind of stuff. It's a sequence from like Attack of the Clones or something where they're on Coruscond and they're going car to car. Meanwhile, McCoy has was experimenting on some of Khan's blood that he'd taken earlier, and it's so stupid.

He had a dead treble for some really weird reason, he had injected it with his platelets with cons platelets and it comes back to life. So they have this brilliant idea that now spoke theirs steaks. If Spock subdues Conned and that doesn't kill them, maybe they can save Kirk. We know where this is going. No one's fooling anybody here.

If they want Okay, look, they gave us the movie. They gave us, But if they still want to innovate, what they should have done is Spock beats him to death and says, you've got seventy two more specimens in the cargo hole. Con needed to die, sorry, or do you want his blood? Beat me up now? With his body.

You can have as much blood of as you take it, all. Right, Yeah, so the stakes are gone. He subdues Khan. We are now taken to the to the recovery room where Kirk has been in a coma for two weeks or whatever. Immortality baby, yeah, he's This is like they were like, you know what, transwarp Drive really is a fuckeroo for the Star Trek universe.

How else can we fuck it up? I know, let's conquer death. Fucker rou what a great word. They conquered death? What the hell?

First of all, why would you take CON's blood and go let's inject it into a dead triple? Where did he jump? What leap was that on bones? Why does he have a dead triple laying around in the lab. Yeah, and are we just meant to believe that this isn't some horrible zombie trible that comes back to life.

If it had the words, it would beg for death. It's very animated. Oh it's purring, and that's secretly screaming. Oh that is so good. So sneaks be damned.

Kirk is back and. All that radiation poison gon. He got some super blood. He's good. No brain damage, he's still.

He's perfect. Don't worry about it, Kirk, what did you see? You were dead for hours? Man? What did you see?

That's disturbing? That the triple thing into darkness, No, not really into twilight, into a overcast afternoon. So that's basically. They jump forward a year where Kirk is rededicating rechristening the Enterprise for there. Hey, it's their five year mission.

They finally got into the five year exploratory mission. And I will say this, we saw this in the first movie a little bit, but they're all in their sort of gray dress uniforms. I guess it's supposed to be their dress uniforms. It is so fascist looking. It looks like the military intelligence branch of Starship Troopers.

It's very chilling how they're dressed. All of these peaceful. Explorers agreed, and at the end of what is a effectively anti military movie, proving once again Starfleet it needs to be a bunch of explorers and not involved in warfare. It's a bit of an odd choice from a costume designer, because I was going to praise the choice of echoing the uniforms from first from the motion picture when it came to Admiral Marcus's. In fact, all of the admiralty all look like Kirk's uniform when we first meet him when he's taking the tour of the Enterprise, and I really liked that aesthetic a lot.

But here I'm like, why are these guys exactly why do they stop in from starship Troopers to like they're going to get the bugs? A little disturbing, And even then I was disturbed by watching this in the theater, but now in retrospect, I'm like, that is wholly inappropriate. But they're often they're five year emissions. So everybody's happy the end the end. Let me ask you problem alone, how that we've hit the end.

What so we've talked to nauseum about everything we didn't like about this movie and a little bit about what be liked. But what else can you pull from this that you enjoyed, because I have a few things, but I'm curious to hear yours. First things I enjoyed. I think I mentioned all of you. Obviously.

I hate that the effects are so good and these movies are so bad, because the effects are really great. If you were to make a real just of all the of the Enterprise stuff here, you've got some excellent entertainment. And they got they got naval battle right here between the Vengeance the Enterprise. I liked all of that stuff, So I do want to praise ILM a little more heavily. So all of those sequences are fucking fantastic.

Sure, and we finally see seat belts on the bridge for the first time. Why did it take all this time? It makes perfect sense, these retractable seat belts that come. Up well in that deleted scene from not First Contact and that deleted scene from Nemesis that was the original ending, was when Picard is introduced to his new first officer and as they sit down to fly off for their new adventures, they're like, oh, we've a new innovation, and seat belts slapped around him and that was going to be the end. So once again they're just recycling from the other movies.

Yeah, I for my part, I will say this. I have to say I really liked There's a lot of good acting here, but in particular I wanted to highlight Chris Pine and Zachary Kintok. I like them a lot in this. In fact, I liked Spak a lot better here than in the first movie, because in the first movie he read a lot more like a nod All. Here he's a little bit more warm, there's a little bit more of the human and you do get a sense of their friendship, but it just felt it felt more genuine, it felt more lived in the two of them, and I liked how they played off of each other, so that to me was a big plus.

I was reminded of that as I'm watching this, that these guys are really good and they're so much better in this one than in the first one, because you remember the first one, Kirk is blithely eating an apple during the Kobyashi Maru. He's he's just a fucking asshole. Here he's a little more duty bound and more and more of a captain, more and more closer to the Kirk that we think we want wanted. Yeah, that is, and see, that's what's great about following characters over time. These guys were eventually going to get there.

But in starting the movie the way they started the in starting this series the way that they started it, with everyone meeting each other for the first time, everyone is naturally going to make choices in the opposite direction of what we're expecting. But I agree, like it is way more You're right kinto in particular as Spock, this feels a lot more like Leonard Neemore respond Yeah, whereas in the last film he felt very much like a vulcan trying to figure shit out, which is perfect for the character in that movie. But you're right, this is the Spock I wanted, and I think we kind of get him from now on, all for one more movie, obviously. Yeah. I don't have anything else than I liked about it, other than what I said where I really liked the plot of this, like this is dealing head on with the idea of military versus exploration is a potent one for Star Trek, and I guess we're no longer waiting for I think they've explored it now plenty in the many series that we've had, but up until this point is particularly in the cinema, we hadn't really done that, and it was about time that that conversation happened.

I agree, and I'm with you. I think I've pretty much said everything that I liked about this movie and disliked. But it still kills me all this time later that what they killed what could have been in a really cool and interesting spin on Star Trek, they sacrificed it on the altar of laziness and a cheap reveal that didn't fool anybody in the end. It's just such a shame, what a waste. I still liked it better than the last one.

I liked the performances better than and the story was more interesting. Putting a side con so I, yeah, I will agree with you. This was a better movie than the first one. Not again a low bar, but I did enjoy this more than the first one. But the con stuff just poisoned my experience to no end.

Yeah, I didn't think I would feel any more favorably about the con part of the film, and nor did I. But I did appreciate a lot of the other stuff more this time, and I found it to be the opposite when I rewatched Star Trek two thousand and nine, where right after the opening sequence, I was just burning with anger for the rest of. The film, not lech go that there were things that I appreciated about this that I'd forgot about and was pleasantly surprised by. But again I could not let go my ire at the cheapness of the convent. That's gonna do it for this episode of Star trek Fest.

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