Episode 14 - Friends

Weird way media. Ni misters, you see that guy with it now, he's an actor at the phone. I'm a driver and the only camp driver in his place. Good evening, and welcome to tonight, mister Walter's a taxi podcast. I'm your co host HP and with me as always is my other co host.

It's Father Malone, father alone. How are you? Oh, I'm good. But then again, maybe it was one of those murder suicide Thanks, we'll get to that. We're going to talk some taxi this week.

We're covering episode fourteen called Friends. So it was written by Earl Palm Rants and we know who was directed by. I was directed by James Burrows. There you go, James Burrows of Friends Fame directing Friends here as a precursor to the eventual series. Borrows is getting met up before there was even such a thing.

Just a reminder, we're doing these shows in broadcast order and not in order of filming. Just a little background before we get into the episode. According to Promrance in the Official Taxi Fan Guide by Frank Love's, Everybody's heard me mention this several times on this podcast. Every time he writes for a series, he writes an episode involving a goldfish. Now you're going to find out those of you not familiar with the episode that it centers around some goldfish in the what happens between two friends anyway.

Some listeners may also recall the Goldfish episode of The Cosby Show where the Huxtables I think it's Rudy's goldfish dies and Huxtables all gather around the toilet and have a little funeral for the goldfish. That was also Earl Palmerance. Earl Pomerantz wrote for The Cosby Show as well, among other episodes. Did they lip sync a jazz standard? Dizzy Gillespie played the funeral march on his horn.

He was Grandpa number twelve, Grandpa Diy Gillespie Grandpa. The story goes that when Palmerants was still single, he went out of town and he gave his goldfish to Less Charles to take care of and when he came back, one of the goldfish had died. So sad. So this is apparently why Earl Pomerantz has a thing now where he always writes a goldfish episode. He's been haunted by this memory ever since he was a young hungry writer in Hollywood.

I suppose thanks to one of the creators of Cheers, we get this Goldfish trip playing through popular American television for the next twenty years. So anyway, let's get to the episode. We start off in the garage where Laka is complaining, he's moaning about a toothache. That this is as close as we get in this episode to a B plot, is it not. It is one one hundred percent of the only B plot, and they wrap it up I think, within the same scene, which is really really welcome.

But I should say we don't start in the garage. We start listen b roll in the back of a gab a ghost point of view because we then we cut to the cab pulling into the garage and there's no one in the back seat and we can't really make out the driver and what cab is it? Did you make it out? It's cabot for I noted the b roll, but I didn't notice the extra bits and bobs that you describe. That's fantastic.

I love that. Also, when we get into the garage, we start in this tracking shot across the garage, like finding Louie amidst the columns and the people crossing through the frame as he's trying to get to Loco. It's pretty great. The direction is always is interesting. I think Borrow is always and sometimes he gets a little too creative, maybe, but it's always interesting.

I think he's always trying to push the bounds of sitcom direction. Locke is complaining about a toothache. He asks Louie if he can leave early to go to the dentist, and Louis just laughs in his face. Louis tells a bad dentist joke, and even after Laka is laughing along with him, Louis still won't let him go to the dentist. And at this point, as a viewer, I'm thinking this is a wind up.

This is going to transpire through the whole episode. It's going to be one thing after another getting Laka to the dentists. But like you said, it's going to be resolved in record time. Here. At this point, Tony comes in and he starts talking with the other Caves about a blind date that he went on.

Apparently Bobby had a date named Dominique, whose cousin didn't want to be alone, so Tony took her out for Bobby. And I want to make a side note here, before we get into this. This is my first of several side notes that I'm gonna break in on. I think we might have our first time traveler in the garage. Did you notice this?

Father Malone? Interesting who He's either a time traveler or an assassin, or or perhaps a documentary filmmaker. I'm not really sure what. But as Tony goes to get his envelope from the dispatch cage, there's a fellow sitting in the bench in front of the coffee machine, and he has a greed baseball cap on with a yellow bill. He looks a little out of place anyway, and he is looking over and or cleaning some kind of black object in his hands.

Did you notice this? No? I did not. I can't believe you didn't notice this. I'm kicking myself for not.

I'm always on the lookout for the background folk. It's hard to know what it is that he's working on because we're dealing with standard definition television, so it's not that clear. And there's some kind of white towel or rag in his lap as if he's as if this object has been wrapped in it, or maybe he's using it to clean this object? Is the object. Is it a camera?

Is it some kind of high tech weapon? Is it something futuristic? Is it? We don't know. And what's more is the Cavies are all uniformly ignorant of him.

Nobody looks his way, and nobody pays this odd traveler from another dimension any mind. I thought it was very odd. I can't believe you didn't notice this. You always pick up on these background characters. Well, not only tracks, because Space Blonde is backed.

She's in the same scene in the background. She's not wearing her NASA fiam foil reflective gear today. However, she's wearing this form fitting leather might be swayed. Couldn't tell rain jacket. She's wandering in the back there, so she might be in concussive with that guy, or he might just be like cleaning a carburetor, like giving lock at hand.

Well that's where I landed with this. But I didn't notice. So you're saying Space Blonde for of course, from our discussion of men are such beasts. I think it was episode ten that be covered. So yeah, maybe this woman that Bobby insisted that Tony take out, she's like a boxer.

It's implied that she's too tough for Tony, which, as we know, Tony is a washed up fighter who doesn't have a good record anyway, So it's not it's hardly surprising. It's actively working. He is, but he loses a lot more than he wins. That just means he's a terrible fighter. Doesn't mean its a washed up fighter.

I guess washed up implies that he's had some kind of glory period, which clearly he is not. So perhaps washed up Ryan. At the end of the setup, he's a washed up fighter. Tony Banta is just a bad fighter. Oh, there you go.

I guess you're right. So he's just a bad fighter. It's clear that Tony is doing this out of loyalty to Bobby. He describes Bobby as his best friend, and Nardo says to Tony, just because Bobby's your best friend doesn't mean that you have to do everything that Bobby asks you to. Ever, sowing the seeds of Discord Burns, who's sitting there, says that yes, he does need to do what his best friend asks him to do.

What's troubling you. What's troubling you, Tony, is Wheeler pushing you to hardness. Your best friend. Well, that's what best friends do, and you should expect the same, just saying anyway, Nardo. And he even goes so far as to relate an example of a childhood friend.

Burns has a childhood friend that he said would they He would do anything for this friend and vice versa. And they had a special signal that they would yell at each other when they were in need. And the signal, do you remember the signal? Faugh them alone? Yakabye the most frequently used phrase here in taxi yakabye?

What does it mean? It means everything. It's like a loja but cubed. It means I think it means fire, it means goodbye. It means something that would rouse people during a strike, like it's a strike chant yaka bye.

Continuing on our trend of Burns and his real mission in the garage, I can only assume that this it comes from some kind of ancient devil worshiping language, because there's some reason why everybody knows what it means, but they can't agree on what it says. It's interesting, that is interesting. Maybe he sowed that seed of yakabay. He orchestrated Loaka's coming to America just to get him into the cam company, to get that phrase in there. It's like one of the love crafty and old gods, like saying their name too much, you resurrect them.

Yakabaye. So he screams yakabay, and as Father Blans was intimating, Laca comes running with the fire extinguisher because he's alarmed because apparently yakuby means something in Lacas language, and but John assures him that it was only a false yakabaye alarm. In all seriousness, it's getting kind of sad. It's clear at this point because we're fourteen episodes in, and I'm sure at this point the writers were already saying to themselves like Burns is giving us nothing as a character. He is literally just a bump on a log, and every scene we put him in.

He hasn't been a main focus of an episode since money troubles with his wife with Dorothy Hamilcutt. My feeling is, and this could just be personal feelings intruding, but it seems to me that it's fatal complete at this point. I think we can agree with as viewers. It's painfully clear that Burns has nothing to do in these episodes there. I think they're already plotting how to get past him, because he's not doing it.

He's just sitting at the table, piping in a funny comment once in a while. But that's really That's about the sum total of his action in any of these episodes going forward. Anyway. At this point, Alex and Bobby come in. Bobby, I don't know if you noticed this too, father on Bobby has the collar popped on his leather coat and it's so big and so wide.

He looked like a low rent Dracula in my opinion. Did you notice that too? I absolutely know, except there's nothing low rent about it. He looked like a comic character here here and in the next episode, in particular, Wheeler's gonna completely comic book out. Yeah, there's some interesting stuff going on in the next episode, so stay tuned.

At that point, Tony gets a call on the payphone. Wait wait, wait, wait, Jeff gets a line. Oh he does, that's right. What he gets the call right, and he says, hey, Tony, it's the gym for you, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jay Alan Thomas gets his first line here. You know what's weird?

HP, Yeah, years later, Jay Allen Thomas would show up on Cheers playing a character named Jeff. He did, I didn't know that it's true. That's a Halloween episode too. So he goes to talk and in the meanwhile, Bobby invites the cabbies to come over and watch quote the big game over at his place. So at that point Tony gets off the phone.

He's very excited. He comes over and tells the cabbys that he has an out of town fight in Scranton and he's fighting. He says he's fighting the state champ, but in a bit of unnecessary confusion, he's fighting the new Hampshire State Champ, not the Scranton State Champ. The guy he's fighting just took the title from his father. It's a little bit.

I think there was a stretch for a joke in this episode, but whatever. Apparently it's so urgent that he has to leave right the second, Like he just got to the garage and now he's going to leave and go. And on his way out, Tony asks Bobby to feed his fish while he's away. He has a couple of goldfish, George and Wanda. Just to break in here a little bit, now, Father him alone over the past few episodes and the rare occasion that we've seen Bobby, because he's been kind of a big player in a lot of these recent episodes.

But you keep carrying the torch for what an insufferable prick Bobby is. This is the first indication of really what a jerky is? Am I wrong? Oh? No?

I think we've been picking up on what a jerky is, and I've certainly been reveling in what a jerky is the entire season, and here it's just paying off in the grandest way possible. Yeah, yeah, it is because he it's been drummed into our heads that they're they're best friends. But at this point, Bobby's very reluctant. He doesn't really want to have the responsibility of taking care of these They're fish. I mean, how hard is it.

You just throw a little food in the dish and you're done for the day, right, does Bobby Wheeler? Oh, Tony Banta, You're right, he does. He does. Yes, of course he does need to feed these fish. It is no real imposition.

But at the same time, he knows himself, and he knows he's already forgotten that he was asked to look for the fish or look after the fish, and that's going to be proven to a bunch in the episode. So him saying don't put me in charge of your fish is valid, like I'm gonna kill him. But should friendship overrule that? Should he strive as hard as he would strive to get a role, make his role for the next day and a half the a hab to the White Whales of Tony's goldfish, it's true because Tony it plays the card. When Bobby is kind of begging off, Tony tells him like, hey, I do a lot of stuff for you, dude, can you do something for me for once?

But to your point, Father Malone, in essence, these fish are about to be sacrificed on the altar of friendship because Bobby knows that these fish are dead meat. There's no way he's with his lifestyle, with his absent mindedness, there's no way these fish are going to live a day, let alone a week or whatever. In a sense, that's very self aware of Bobby to recognize that about himself. Right, Oh totally, yeah, we knew, and so clearly does he. With this sort of additional guilt trip that Tony throws at him.

Bobby relents and says, yeah, I'll take care of the fish. We find out the fish mean a lot to Tony because they've been together for four years. Tony bought them with his first big fight, perse which was exactly three dollars, which supports I mean, he's not washed up. He's just a terrible fighter. I'll leave it there.

It's only been at it for four years apparently. No, no, no, no, no. I think he's been fighting professionally for four years. But my guess is he's had many years of training and amateur fighting before that, so that's short selling how much he's fought except for the government. This is truly he is.

We'll find out that he's a veteran, and we thank Tony for his service. In the meantime, Laka is still moaning about his tooth, and Louis finally relents and in gratitude. I thought this was also a great joke. And by the way, this is the wrap up of this so called b plot. Thank god.

When he yeah, you can go, I went, wow, this is done. Oh yeah, but then the joke is really good. It's a long way to go for this joke, considering this is not a bee plot. It's just a setup to get us here, it is. But the joke is good.

So the joke is good, and I'm not going to do it justice, not that I ever did these jokes justice, but basically gratitude. Locke is so happy and so he has so much gratitude for Louis and letting him go, and he says to Louis, and I'm not going to do a lot of impression, but he says to Louis, you know, Louis, people say a lot of things about you, that you're mean, that you're cruel, and you're nasty, and you're cheap. And he just walks away instead of you, like you think that it's Lacke is going to say, well, but you're none of those things. You know, you're actually a really good guy. I stand up for you, Louis when they say that, because I know you're not.

No, no, no, I just want you to know people say these things. Iffido plays it beauty, like the look on his face, he's just kind of like confused, like, wait a minute, I wasn't there going to be someone sticking up for me here. But he just walks up and for the fact that it's just this little inconsequential, so called b plot. It was a fun wind up and it didn't be labor what could have been the tiresome side plot to the episode. Now we cut to Bobby's our favorite, maybe our favorite set problem alone.

It's Bobby's fabulous downstairs apartment. We've gushed about how much the set decorators put into this in every set, but this set in particular, it's gorgeous. I'm gonna do it again. Ready, Yeah, two bottles of Kanty for decoration, they're not it's not there for eating. Okay.

Painting on the wall is the White Barn by Georgia O'Keeffe. That long painting. Yeah painted that in nineteen thirty two. Okay, ready, yep. The books on his shelf, Encyclopedia of Space, I Lived With, Latin America, the Collected Works of Somerset mon There are two volumes, The Erotic Reader okay ooh, and then Summer in Sodom.

Okay, that's a book by Edwin Faye from nineteen sixty two. There are two copies of it. There are two copies. That's fair. In mind, these episodes were on and they were repeated maybe once or twice, but they had no conception of somebody like you, father, belone, pausing it and going frame by frame, looking at every single piece of furniture and books and paintings and everything.

I don't need to frame by frame. I just touched the screen and these things come to me psychometry. That's incredible. I love when you can pick up these details. Father alone, Alex and Laca, we see them come down the stairs.

They arrive, but Bobby doesn't come to the door, and Alex remembers that there's a spare key by the door. Now, now here's the thing. Here's another side note. And I can't take full credit for this because this was also called out in the Lovees book, But what rational New Yorker would keep a spare key right outside their door? Didn't.

That's such a logical hole, in my opinion. Do you agree? I do agree. And then I also am of the mind that nobody would be crazy enough to leave their key under the mat, so I will do it. I guess it's a bit of reverse psychology there.

Perhaps I think it's in line with Bobby Wheeler as a character. Honestly, yeah, it's in line with his overall thoughtlessness. But it would have made more sense for the writers just to have given Alex a key that he could have had. You give a friend a key just in case you're out of town you need to get in your house or whatever, or a neighbor. It would have made more sense just to give Reager the key and say, oh, I have a spare key, let me open the door.

But somehow they go through this business of finding the key outside the door. But nevertheless, he finds the key and he opens the door and they start to get settled in to watch the game. Watch the football game stumbles Bobby looking very very very self satisfied as he tells it. Apparently they just stayed up all night talking with his lady friend, and he's very happy with himself. So they sit down to watch the game.

You know what, let me talk about the big game for a second, if I may hp, Because while Bobby is futzing around and just doing his thing or find it out, he may be trying to score with the girl and everything. And there's little bits of comedy going on. Riager and Locker are seated at the television and Riager keeps calling out, Bobby, you're missing a great game. The game started two fucking minutes ago. They just sat down.

How great is the game? Did they turn over like six times within two minutes? That? I mean, that's the level of excitement riger is showing for what's going on on that television is not really measured well. I think the only conclusion we can draw from this is that Alex is a very lonely man who who just needs He is so happy and so pleased to be out of his away from the four walls of his apartment.

He just wants some human contact. So I think that's why he's keeps saying Bobby, get over here, Bobby, get over here, because he just wants to hang out, right, He's just so desperate for human contact. Right. What's funny is he's sitting next to Laka, so maybe he's really just sick of Loka over here. I can't take any of the gibberish anymore.

Bobby. Tony calls Bobby, and Bobby gives the phone to Alex and they're talking about the fight and whatever. They chat for a bit and Alex encourages Tony to win the fight and Bobby does the same. The Platters are staying at the hotel with Tony. But it's only one of the platters, right, it's a cousin.

It's a cousin of one of the platters, that's right, and Scranton. Bobby's incredulous that on the eve of one of the biggest fights of Tony's career, Tony is still concerned about these two fish, because as they're on the phone, he's asking about the fish and how they're doing, and blah blah blah. Bobby says, what's so great about these fish anyway? They just kind of sit there floating on their backs. Bobby a sociopath?

I think he is. I think this is maybe a darker side to him. Maybe he knew he was full wealth that he was killing these fish. Not only the fish killing itself, but the inability to understand why Tony would be so attached to these fish that have been his companions for four years now. He's got a big fight coming, What does he care about these stupid fish?

For him, it definitely points to a lack of empathy, which I guess, in its most extreme, could be looked at as sociopathic. But yeah, would I would say that the signs are definitely there. I think Tony is too naive and lunkheaded to really pick up on that. But I think Alex maybe that's why Alex is always there as a buffer between them. Alex is there to protect Laka, I think in this case, because who knows what would happen if Bobby's there alone with Laka.

Bobby being this kind of scary sociopath who knows. Maybe you know how they say some serial killers killed animals before they get the guts to kill a person. Yeah, maybe this is his entry into the world of serial killing. Who knows. He says to Alex, I'm just kind of sitting there, just kind of floating, and Alex says, well, you know, they do move their fins around, and Bobby says, uh uh, these fish aren't moving, but he's still not picking up on the obviousness of the fact that these fish are dead.

And at this point they cut over to Alex and you can see that Alex. The penny drops and Alex knows that something's up, and he asks, Bobby, did you feed the fish today? And Bobby says, oh, how could I just got home? He was out all night. Oh, but I'll feed him now, and he dumps the obscene amount of fish food into the little bowl, which I think anybody who's had fish as a child, like me, you that the look of that dried fish food floating and slowly making its way to the bottom of the fish is a common sight.

Alex kind of faced palms and says to himself, I don't want to go over there because he knows what he's going to see once he walks over there, and it's going to become real to him. So he goes over and says, I'm like, God, Bobby, they're dead. And now my favorite line in the episode, I guess it was their time. He says. It's so naturally and so sympathetically.

Jack Conaway is great, He really sells the character. You know what I like about Bobby, it's he's not stupid, he's oblivious. There's a difference there, right, He just doesn't give a shit. It's a lack of intent, right, right. He's not trying to be mean, he's not trying to be a bad person.

He's just he's oblivious. And it makes sense because this is a guy who's blessed with very very good looks, with charm, with acting ability, so realistically, he doesn't really need to be the most self aware person. He's probably got women throwing themselves at him day and night. The only thing he doesn't have is a job, like a real acting job, at least now, but he probably was able to with his good looks. He's probably able to float through life not really caring what people think.

So it makes sense after he says, well, it's just their time is maybe my second favorite line delivery, which Alex says both of them together, like it's both of their time. Bobby wonders, well, maybe it was a murder suicide thing, and we cut back to the garage. Alex, Elaine and Burns are wondering what's Tony going to do when he finds out because he's going to be coming home soon. I thought, is Tony's going to knock Wheeler out? As we'll discuss it almost gets to that point.

I like the way they handled it, because that would be the easy thing to do. I did too. I'm going to end up really liking Tony Vanta as a character a great deal. By the end of this episode, I think they're concerned more for his own feelings in the matter and less concerned about Bobby getting knocked out, which is probably what he should be expecting. At this point, Burns, with no small amount of glee, says that Tony is going to be heartbroken.

All is coming to plan. Says he's at least playing at being sensitive, but now Louis is openly gleeful. He's like rubbing his hands together. He can't wait for Tony to get there so he can break the bad news to him. He is great here, He's shining.

There's not a lot of Louis in this particular episode, but he's great. Just should be understood at this point that Defido is always going to hit it out of the park. Alex warns Louis not to blur it out that Bobby killed his fish. And as we know, and we can continue to see, Alex is maybe the one cavey that has the ability to get through to Louis because they have that interesting relationship. So it seems like Louie's going to back off or what have you.

Oh yeah, no, but he's definitely not. Every time Levy threatens to say something. If you watch Jeff in the background, Jeff is absolutely delighted with Louie's behavior. It made me really appreciate Jeff as a character like he's he every time Louie almost hits with your fish are dead, basically like Jeff is not egging him on, but like enjoying the show. But do you think it's Jeff or do you think it's Jay Allen Thomas the actor, saying, oh, this is hilarious, Like I'm really enjoying this.

Well, I'm watching the show and I only know the character of Jeff, and Jeff seems to be having a grand old time watching Louis the Palmer in that cage. I mean, they're stuck together. He's got to like him in some way or another, Right, there's got to be a point where you go, as long as he's not pointing it at me, I'm just going to appreciate it. So Tony ends up finally bops in from his trip and the Cabby's okay, okay, wait before he okay, he gets there. Bobby's not there yet, right, Okay, Bobby's going to be late, right, that's what they tell him.

Bobby's had twenty four hours to concoct a plan. I'm very disappointed in Bobby Whayler. Maybe he is just that he's just a narcissistic prick. And that's what I should love about it, because I was hoping for something a little more nefarious here. I guess if there were this were a Burns episode, he would have come up with something better than the old switcheroo, the old I'll go to a pet store and get other goldfish, and he'll definitely buy that these fish that he's had for four years.

That bit where Bobby goes and brings the replacement fish, that's as sitcommy as this particular episode gets. I think we can agree where we've seen that in a million different sitcoms, Like they know Toby Jillis. I bet Andy Griffith probably had a switch in the goldfish. Andy, that's not my fish. Yeah, I think Welcome Back Cotter did it.

You could just go down the line. I'm sure there was a different Strokes that that probably maybe Abraham the goldfish Arnold's goldfish died and they tried to replace it. I think there definitely was an episode where they did that. Not to get ahead of ourselves, but I think that's probably one of my biggest knocks against this episode is that is a little bit too contrived and sit comy, but it is what it is. It's not.

It doesn't kill the episode for me, but it could have been more creative with Bobby knowing what we know about Bobby at this point. But so I agree with you, they could have done more with that. Tony comes in Tabby's make a big point of rushing over to him and in an effort to distract him or maybe just delay things so Bobby can get there, they start asking them about the fight, which he lost. Of course, the cabbys are trying to make small talk with Tony about his trip, and he's talking about Scranton, how cold Scranton was, and da da da, and all the while you see Louie. Louie's just looming in the background, waiting for his chance to come up with a one liner.

And it's a great piece of comedy business. But then Tony pulls out a gift that he brought for the fish. This is heartbreaking, honestly, it really is. It's a little ceramic castle that you put into a fishchank and it he even makes a point of saying it says Scranton. It's a souvenir from Scranton for the fish.

Stranton, the quarium man. Yeah, and he's like oh, maybe they can swim through the windows. And it really is heartbreaking to see this tough guy who loves these fish so much. Hpd ever been to Scratton I have not. I have not.

And that's where the office was set, was it not. Yeah, I've been there a couple of times. Reminded me of Lynn, Massachusetts. It was a bit hard to scrabble there. Yeah.

I remember one night in fact, driving and being chased people on foot, chasing my vehicle. And it was the place where I, in a diner, tried the local delicacy of scrapple. I always like to try a local cuisine, and they convinced me that that's the one to get. And I think they were having a joke on me, because scrapple is one of the most disgusting things on planet Earth. Wait, can we let's back up?

Why were they chasing you on foot? I was looking for a submarine sandwich at a very late night situation, and there was one open and a rather sketchy part of town, and I slowed down in a in an area that maybe crime could occur on in in a very easy manner, and and suddenly there were several hooligans chasing after my minivan, and so I sped away. I went submarine sandwich lists that night. Although they would call it a they call it a HAUGI but you walked away with all your teeth and all your money and all your belongings. I mean that that's a wind.

As far as I'm concerned, I wanted some Primanti brothers. Man. You ever been there? They put the fucking fries on the sandwich and the coal slaw and everything so good. What's in scrapple?

Incidentally? Can you like? It's like head cheese type stuff. It's all awful. It's you know, O f f al kind of you know.

As Tony's talking about this castle, he's reflecting and he says to him, he says to the cab it's it's maybe silly that I love these fish so much, but Tony really sees the fish as symbols of survival. These little fish can in this world than so can TONI. That's very inspirational. It's sad because we know what Tony doesn't know, but inspirational to us. Sad ultimately for Tony, but hilarious for Louis de Palm in that cage.

Every time he mentions how much he loves those fish, knowing their dead, he can hardly contain himself in that cage. This is a whirlwind trip for Tony. He's been gone literally twenty four hours. At this point. He asks Alex how they how are the fish doing?

How they looking? And this is a perfect line reading by jud Hirsh He said he kind of stops for a minute, thinks to himself and says peaceful, which which says a lot without saying a lot. Tony walks away to put his stuff in the lockers and what have you, and the caves are still fretting over what over telling him the truth except for one person. One person is stepping forward to try and get wrangled this and of course it's Burns, ever only chaos he with again with barely concealed glee. He says, it's going to break the poor guy's heart.

I think we're led to believe that he's it's him crying out in empathy, but we know he's stifling a laugh, you know how it's not as you're laughing so much you start to cry. That's where Burns is at, and he's he's preaching to the back back wall He's letting everyone in the garage know that there's some misery about to occur, so he can feed off of their empathy. And Bobby finally hurries in with a couple of new fish. He's got the fish bowl in his hand, too, healthy fish swimming around. Cloudiness of that bowl is distressing.

It looked like it had to be cleaned. Is that what you're saying? It's filthy if you look at if you look at the fish in the previous scene, I mean, granted those fish are dead, but that water water is crystal clear. Here it looks like, I don't know, like they poured tap water from actual New York City from nineteen seventy nine. It doesn't healthy.

It begs the question. Has he been rushing around all day with this fish tank sloshing around in the front seat of his cab or in his car like oh, because in typical Bobby Wheeler fashion, this is a last minute thing. He came right from the pet store. He said, he had to go to three or four different ones to find ones that matched the fish. But how is he transporting this fish tank?

It's definitely slashing around. It just wasn't slashing around for that long, because that would have taken some forethought on his part. So he comes in and he presents these fish. He says, here you go, Tony, here's the fish. They're happy to see you.

And Tony says, oh, I love these guys. And you think initially, oh, he's gonna pull it off, and he says, no, I hope they get along with my fish. So he's not fooled in the least. He knows that these aren't George and Wanda. Yeah, but apparently the writers think that we are because they give us this bullshit line of I love these guys like he would say that to Fish.

He just meant. It's sitcomie in the extreme. And it's the biggest negative I can give this episode. I mean, it's ridiculous. It's not believable at all.

After he reveals that he knows these aren't his fish. It's kind of funny because the rest of the cab, he's kind of skidaddle. They scatter for all of their concern and they're fretting. They don't want to be part of this. They're gonna leave Bobby to clean up his own mess at this point because I think they're fed up.

I think we can agree fall them alone. They're just fed up with Bobby at this point, and they're frightened of Tony because he's a powder keg underneath all of that sweetness. You're thinking. They're afraid he's going to explode in violence against them as well. Bill Bixby just he's gonna freak the fuck out when he finds out his fish are dead.

Man, He's gonna rip down that stairway leading up to that second floral. The chicken wire is going to come tumbling down on those calves. Space Girl is going to go running, definitely. Bobby's left with Tony there, and Tony asks where his fish are. Finally, Bobby owns up to his mistake and he confesses to Tony that he forgot to feed the fish and they but he does say he thinks they died in their sleep.

As this ham handed attempt at comforting Tony in his dark moment, Tony asks, well, where are they now? You better not have flushed him, and Bobby says, now, of course not, and this is so disgusting. He pulls a ziplock baggie out of his front shirt pocket and kind of flick unfurls it and there are the two dead fish. He's been carrying them around. Was I the only one schemed out by this image?

Father Blone? No, I literally wrote in my notes the ziplock bag of fish is great. It's so in character, first of all, and it now conjures images of Bombie Wheeler crouched against fish tanks in various pet stores in downtown New York City holding up a ziploc bag, trying to match goldfish up to other goldfish that are living. He did that four different times. You're right, he would have had it as a means of color matching and size matching the fish.

Oh yeah, it's vile, it's gross, so disgusting. I was delighted by it, though at that point Tony sullenly just says to him, you kill my fish. The air is charged with the very real possibility that he might, as you say, he might explode. You don't know how he's going to react because he loves these fish. It's been hammered into our heads and now that he's finally confronted with the reality that they're dead.

HP. As much as you hate Tony Banta and think he's a washed up has been well. I don't hate him. What are you getting this from? Anyway?

As as poor a showing as he gives in the professional boxing world, he could really do damage to Wheeler with one punch. I mean, there's an episode called one Punch Banta. I'm sure compared to the average layperson, he may as well be the world's strongest man. He's used to fighting hardened fighters who can take a punch and who are used to this. But if you're not, he could punch a hole through your chest for all I know.

You could end pretty Boy's acting career with one one swing, one swing in retribution for the lost goldfist George and Wanda. Does he tell us why they were calling George and Wanda. No, that's the one bit of info we don't find out. Probably they worked in the production office in some way. That's usually the answer here on text.

I haven't noticed Bobby does. At that point, he offers just to let Tony hit him. He just says, I know you're mad, just hit me, Just don't hit me in the face because I have an audition. He kind of cocks back as if he's going to hit him, but he just says, I don't want to hit you. I want nothing to do with you, And I love this.

This is such a TV sitcom thing. He says, I want nothing to do with you friend, like he has this derisive way of saying the word friend. Kind of reminded me of the Brady Bunch when they were calling Peter when he was the school play and they all kept calling him Benedict Donald, but they had this way of derisively calling him Benedict Donald, even though he was just playing Benedict Donald in a play. But there was a way that they twisted the tone of it to mock him almost, And that's kind of what we're seeing here when he says friend. Friend is normally a happy word, it's a term of endearment, but not the way Tony says it.

Oh no, No, it's so weird that your reference for that is another seventies television show. That's my cultural reference point. I guess I don't know. I speak the same language, so I get it. We cut the commercial and it's what's going to happen now?

So cut to the next day. Tony's coming in doing this thing, and Bobby is so over the top trying to get Tony's attention, trying to get him to talk to him, interact with him, make conversation. He's you know. He tries to get Tony to talk about how much he booked. He won't answer, but Louie answers that he booked ninety dollars.

Fish killer. Now Louis has you know, he doesn't have to stop for anybody. He could just call him killer with impunity. Tony continues to ignore Bobby and his attempts to chat at I think even one point, Bobby says, hey, I got two tickets to the Islanders. You want to go see?

He just walks by. Here's another side note from this episode. Did you see this? So he offers him the tickets. Yeah, Tony does nothing.

Bobby takes the tickets and throws them on the table where Burns is sitting. Yeah, did you notice what Burns did? Take them? Stuck the tickets. It didn't look to me like Bobby was offering them to Burns, like, here, take my tickets.

No, he just kind of flips the tickets on the thing. Burns like shrugs to himself, picks up the tickets and looks at them. I can only presume now he's going to the Islanders instead. Of Bobby and Tony. I was just struck by the fact that these weren't his tickets, they were not being offered to him specifically, and yet he takes them.

And Bobby is so wrapped up and Tony being upset at him that he doesn't even care. So that was interesting. I thought that was fascinating. Bob goes to talk to Alex about what's going on. He's desperate, trying to find a way to get through to Tony and hash this out.

For that HB Tony completes the second of the Here's how a tough guy sits down. You know, we've seen him turn the chair around one hundred and eighty degrees and get the back resting against his chest. Now he does the leap up hands free onto the hood of a cab. Does he even put his hands down? He just kind of leaps up like a high jump.

That's right, tough guy getting on a car hood. Alex initially tries to act a little tough with Bobby and resist because I think he wants Bobby to realize what he did was wrong, so he doesn't jump in immediately to help Bobby. But eventually he says to him, you just you want me to talk to him, and Bobby says, yeah, I'd like you to talk to him. He asks Alex to invite Tony to his place for some beers and they can talk it out with Alex there to mediate, you set some meeting. Alex to set a meeting so they can sit down and hash out their problems.

Right, he instant this meeting because we guess he feels so bad. In fact, he says he feels really bad about this situation. He wants to make amends, right or is it that as a sociopath, he realizes the social cues that he has gone beyond the pale and now actually needs to make amends to this other person so that they can not know that he actually feels no emotions at all. That's why he became an actor, you know, to try and figure out what Maybe that's his best shot at playing at the emotion of trying to be sympathetic, So he picks the most emotionally grounded person in the garage to help him. Look, if you're going to try to act in the part of a policeman, what do you do.

You go see a policeman, you interview them, you talk to them, you observe them. So I guess maybe Bobby is trying to assume the part of a feeling sympathetic, empathetic person. So who does he go to? He goes to Alex. It's actually kind of brilliant why he wants Alex there and take his cues from Alex.

How is Alex reacting to the way Tony is talking? Oh okay, then I should be sad. Now things have taken a very dark turn. I don't know. I thought it couldn't get much more dark than Burns, but now we've got Bobby who is a sociopath.

I can't help it. Alex tries to convince Tony to agree to this, to go to Bobby's apartment, but he's not letting Bobby off the hook. Tony says, give me one good reason why I should do this, and after Alex pauses for a moment, he volunteers because the fish would want it that way. This was just a hail Mary on Alex's part. To Alex's surprise, Tony actually this finally convinces him and he agrees to go to Bobby's apartment to talk this out.

We cut to Bobby's apartment again, and once again, Alex is there early. Tony's with him. They get there early, they let themselves in. No Bobby, everything is I think the lights are all turned off. Bobby's not there, and Alex figures, well, it's probably a little bit early, and he's probably getting food because, let's not forget Bobby is desperate to end this conflict between he and Tony, so you would think he's going to pull out all the stops to make this happen, ask them to be here.

Yeah, that was his invitation exactly. So while they're waiting, Tony starts complaining about all the stuff. He's walking around the apartment and he's pointing out all the things that Bobby has borrowed that he never gave back. He's like, well, that's my lamp, those are my barbells, that's my clock, and that's my football. And the whole apartment is filled with things that thoughtless Bobby has taken and never given back.

And at this point Alex he tries to stick up for Bobby and he says, well, maybe he's just forgetful in Tony's reckoning. He says, there's guys that he doesn't even like that treat him better than Bobby treats him. He says, one guy he hates treats him almost as good. I think he's been lying to himself for a long time and convincing himself that he is his best friend. But the more he digs into all these reasons why he's not a good friend, it's turned his whole mentality against Bobby.

He says, I don't know why I'm friends with him. He treats me creepy, tells me I'm stupid, and then on one and then he starts telling like, there are other guys that I like less than him who treat me better. But I want to go back to the first thing he said, he treats me creepy? The fuck does that mean? HP.

It's a little chilling given what we now think we know about Bobby, there's a lot of darkness to his character, right he treats me like I'm a creep? Or does he treat me in a creepy manner? It's so vague that it's maddening. I've been thinking about it ever since. I agree the wording of that line.

It really is open to interpretation. I think in the extreme, that's a very disturbing line the way he delivers it. He treats me creepy. I don't know. It's a phrase I'm going to puzzle over, so I can't give you a definite answer.

What I love about this scene is I actually think it's probably one of the more realistic pieces in the whole show. I love that Tony's getting this all off of his chest, perhaps for the first time, really describing to himself at least what kind of person Bobby is and what Bobby, what he thought Bobby meant to him, and maybe he's not the friend that he assumed he was. I like that about this scene. It's played, you know, sort of realistically in that respect. What did you think?

I absolutely agree with you. What I came away with the scene is not only well, it's part and parcel because his figuring out what his relationship is with Bobby mirrors his reaction to it in my mind, which is very evolved. Tony is played as a dope a lot of time on this show, but here, given the fact that his best friend is basically a narcissistic creep who killed his two best friends, his companions, and now he's he's effectively going to forgive him because what he wants to do is destroy a bunch of Bobby's shit, but can't bring himself to do even that because he's not only accepted who Bobby is, he's accepted that that's who Bobby is in his life, which, man, oh man, I'm fifty years old and I can't see my way through some relationships like that.

It's a remarkable piece of self awareness for the person that, up to this point in the season is one of the most lunkheaded characters, we think, because he's just a he's just a Pelucah right, amazingly, and this bit of self reflection he maybe understands better than anyone what's going on with Bobby and his relationship to Bobby and how complex that is. I think that's really amazing. Just at that point, a giggling Bobby stumbles in to the apartment with a fur coat clad woman, and initially he's kind of stand offish, like, again, this is the obliviousness coming to bear like he is like, what are you guys doing here? He gets mad once again. Wheeler, who set up this meeting at his apartment, has shown up with a girl and is like, what the fuck are you guys doing here.

Get out That meeting could not have been set up more than eight hours prior. Right, by the way, you know what did it? Actually, I'm gonna take back some of what I said about Tony. It took him this long to figure out who this guy is and that you shouldn't leave your fish with him. Get the fuck out of here.

Let's assume they're at the garage, and let's say it's five point thirty six o'clock. Let's say ostensibly they're going to be doing dinner at his house, So it was probably not eight hours. It was probably it could have been like two hours. It could have been three hours, since he says he's the one who's set up this meeting, So that's amazing. That almost points to like you have to wonder, did Bobby have a head injury that affects Is he like Memento?

Does he have a lack of short term memory? Right, It's either that it's good that it's about Goldfish this episode if his memory is actually that long, or is it that he is in fact a goddamn sociopath who just likes to play dumb Like I likened Burns to a Jim Thompson villain or hero, you know that playing like their dopey but really just scheming on the inside. That's the only other option. I don't think it is with Bobby. I don't think.

I don't think he is a sociopath. But it is very alarming that he has forgotten this quick, this meeting that he's set up to ameliorate the situation that he created through his own forgetfulness. You know what, let me walk back what I said about walking back what I said about bad this character, it is very evolved. This is about him accepting his friend's place in his life, less than accepting the friend. That his friend is a dickhead.

He always knew his friend dick kid. But it also begs the question, so if he can barely remember a meeting that he set up not three hours prior, how the hell does he expect to become an actor who has to memorize lines and lines of dialogue and perform them. How can someone who has no short term memory even hope to do that? I wonder, Okay, maybe he doesn't have to necessarily be a sociopath, But I'm going to go back to what I like about Wheeler to begin with he's just a prick. If he got a part in a play or a commercial or a movie, he would know every line.

He would be on set every day. He would wake up eight hours so he wouldn't sleep the night before because he'd be so excited to not miss that opportunity. That's true, when it would benefit him and him specifically. I'm sure he could put in the extra effort to remember these things. But he killed his best friend's fish.

He's desperate to make this right, and he can't even be trusted to show up on time for his own self intervention. If you will, it's absurd. He really is absurd. He really is a special kind of jerk to do this. It is.

But really, this is about Banta's acceptance that that test that he put Bobby to was a bullshit friendship test. It's like thinking you can change a person in a relationship, right, like that's your expectation. It has nothing to do with them. He fully well should have known Bobby is going to kill his best friends and tried, hoping against hope to not for that not to happen. It's like the old you know, with the turtle and the scorpion, Like well, yes, of course I was going to stay here.

I'm a scorpion, that's my nature. It's almost okay because at least Tony understands the kind of person Bobby is and he still loves him. There's no ease solution end of this episode, HP, but there is a macab solution. We'll get to that. Alex goes over to Bobby, who, as I said, is kind of upset that these guys are in his apartment when he brings a woman home.

Alex reminds him that they're here for Tony Bobby, if nothing else. He makes a show of realizing, oh, I can't believe I forgot Oh man, da da. Alex starts to spew some invective at Bobby and really tears into him for not having the common courtesy to remember that this thing's happening. The girl, Dominique, starts to leave, but Bobby asks her to wait in the bedroom. He's going to try and figure this out.

All the while, Alex is tearing into Bobby so much that it's Tony that tries to defend Bobby. Now, Tony is the one who has the biggest gripe against Bobby of all of them, because he's been a jerk to him for who knows how long, and he just killed his fish. So it's interesting to see now Alex the peacemaker is now the one who is getting it back to Bobby even more than Tony. Right, Chris Cross, They're now arguing opposite sides of their actual beliefs and stuck in the middle just watching. It's a great scene.

It's stuck in the middle watching it as Bobby really and in a confounded way. Why are you yelling at each other? I'm the asshole here. Alex is just too mad. He actually even throws some blame at Tony for putting the fish in the hands of a man who can't even feed himself half the time.

Like you were saying earlier, Tony had to know that his fish were in jeopardy the minute that he gave them to Bobby to look after, because he knows what kind of person Bobby is, and yet he thought Bobby would rise to the occasion. And Alex's point is like, how could you think that? Look at this guy. He couldn't even be bothered to remember this meeting that we've all set up, this dinner where we're going to hash things out he's the one who wanted to do it. Alex and TONI are really squaring off, and now Bobby's the one who's going to get in the middle and break it up because things are getting very heated.

He reminds him, like you said that, look, I'm the one that you all should be mad at. I'm the one who is thoughtless and I killed fish and everything else. He breaks through their stalemate and they all start to laugh, remembering that, Yeah, that's why they're there. They're not here to legislate Bobby's behavior overall, They're here to talk this through. Bobby clasps them both on the back and says, look, guys, grab your coats.

We're gonna go out for a steak dinner. They're gonna have. This is the talk about seventies. They're going for steak and Low and Brow. WHOA, that's fucking fancy.

Do they even make Low and Brow anymore? Father? Do you know? Father? Butlin, if they do, we are going to record an episode of night mister Walker's where we each drink a Low and Brow.

At the time, they were a popular beer. They were advertised very heavily on TV. I can still remember there do you remember their tagline, I don't tell me. Here's where I cut into the episode and I play the commercial. But if it's the one I'm thinking of the tagline gonna sing it?

It was sung was tonight let it be low and brow. He's too good, friends, Tonight is kind of special. The beer will Pole must say something more somehow, So tonight, tonight, let it be low and bro. Yes, let it be low and brow. My god, tonight, let it be loan brow.

So we know this is gonna be fancy right steak and loan brow, just like the commercial, Bobby says. And after dinner, Bobby says he knows a scalper that can get the NIXT tickets. This is gonna be a great night. Bobby Wheeler gonna deliver. He doesn't make promises.

He's not gonna keep. He's not gonna tell you I'm gonna meet you in two hours from now at my apartment and then not you in that notch with a girl. Now the guys are arm in arm, they're they're they're they're laughing, they're looking forward. They're gonna have a great night out. Just the guys.

Just as they're walking out, Bobby remembers, Oh my god, I left that girl Dominique in my bedroom. Bobby resolves to stop letting people down. He's gotta stop letting people down, so he says, I'm gonna go in the bedroom. I'm gonna let her know that I'm going out with the guys, and that's that. So Bobby goes to the bedroom.

Alex and Tony are left waiting in the I guess it's a living room. They're kind of awkwardly tossing a football around. Alex is whistling to himself a little bit, and this scene does go on for it feels like he goes on for a long time because it's an uncomfortable amount of time, leading to the fact that this is an incredibly uncomfortable thing that's going on here. Bobby Wheeler was supposed to go tell a girl either you gotta go or I'll be back later, and then come back out and join his friends. They're clearly now fooling around in the bedroom, and it's wordless.

Alex and Tony aren't actually talking or saying anything because they think he's going to be out any minute. But as it goes longer and longer, they wordlessly realize that he's not coming out. He and this girl are probably in for the night. We can see leopard rarely changes its spots, and Bobby once again, this is another example of his thoughtlessness, of his obliviousness, right, of his self absorption, and I love him for it. Here he goes.

He just continues to be him, by the way, in the weirdest kind of uncomfortable to the point where I kind of love him on another level because this is out of hand what he just did. I mean, look, I guess we all have that friend. But good lord man, here's my apology. Guys, I'll take care of it tonight. Oh fuck, what are you guys doing here?

Oh I'm supposed to apologize. Okay, I'll take care of that right now. I'm gonna And then he like it's like look over there, and then he runs in the other direction, like that would be a less subtle, right person of what he's doing to them, excusing what Bobby has done here. It's just remarkable that even after all of this back and forth and this wrangling with Tony, he's still he can't change who he is. To your point, he's the scorpion riding on the back of the of the alligator or whatever.

It's his nature to be a prick. That's just who he is. Without saying a word, Alex and Tony both decide to leave, but not before in a nice little tag, Tony remembers to feed his new fish and they leave. We have one little bumper And this is where the macab bit really comes in. Here they're at the garage and Bobby strolls in with a massive item in a bag.

He declares that he has a presentation to make to his best friend Tony. What is this big object, father Malone? And what is so macab about it? It is a gigantic plaque, like the size of two men. It's a plaque that you could imagine twelve scientists sitting in the jaws of and mounted in the middle are the tiny tiny goldfish.

Now this led to my mind going to Bobby Wheeler paying for this with a giant, oversized novelty check, perhaps lighting the room with one of those giant novelty zippos. Can you imagine if you're working in one of these stores where they sell plaques and trophies for sporting events like kids soccer trophies and what have you? And some lunatic comes in with this plastic bagg because you know, he still has the plastic baggy with George and Wanda, and he says, hey, can you mount these fish? Like if I were that guy, I'd say, get the hell out of here, you lunatic, get out of here. You know what, I bet they mount fish all the time, like game fish.

So here's what I think happened. I think he came in and said, I want to mount some fish, and they said, yeah, we do that. And he says, I want to mount these goldfish, and they said, you know it would be funny put it on this gigantic placard. And it's the placard that they were never able to move in the store, you know. And then so Bobby walks out of that start and they're like, we sold it.

They're high fiving each other because they got rid of this giant albatross around their necks. Right, it's been an inventory since seventy two, Like Jesus, why did we order this thing? Perhaps the most the macabre cherry on the bizarreness of the moment. It's almost easy comics, like where Tony looks at it and he declares it the most beautiful thing he ever saw. You imagine, like these are the fish he loved, these fish, These fish were a symbol of survival and perseverance.

To see them so cruelly preserved and slapped onto a giant joke plaque like it is, yeah, and like everybody's sort of crowded around for the freeest frame around this plaque. It's very free comics. I expect the curvekeeper to come popping out. Well, Tony wasn't expecting his friends to be so well preserved. It's a chilling tableau.

In my opinion, I wondered earlier if we were going too dark. I don't think we are considering the content of this show. There's no misinterpreting the moment. It's really chilling, very chilling. So that's the episode Friends talk about yellow lights?

What does a yellow light mean? Now? Just to reminder, we score these shows on a scale from one yellow light to five yellow lights. Five yellow lights is this is the perfect Taxi episode. They don't get any better than this.

One yellow light is. This could not get any worse. This is the worst episode of Taxi that they've possibly produced. And as we do every week, I'm going to throw it to you fall them alone. How many yellow lights do you give friends?

I give it three yellow lights. I would give it two for criminally under using Nardo in the episode, because she looks spectacular in that gene in Red Blast Combo. Look am I objectifying or making things worse? Maybe? But she was not well used in the episode, so that that ought to knock it down.

But the rest of it is so good and as it turns out, complex and affecting and illuminating in both Banta and Wheeler's case and in their realizations about each other. But I think it's I think it's a pretty good episode, and it's got a lot of funny business, and it hersh is always great. I think he's great here, and I guess it was their time. I came in to rewatch this episode, and I've seen them many times over the years, and when I think of this episode, the first thing I always think of is that bizarre tableau at the end where the fish are mounted on the plaque. And I came into this in my mind thinking, oh, this is going to be like a two yellow light episode.

This is not one that I remember very fondly, and so on and so forth. But I'll tell you what, as I watched it, I had very much the same reactions that you had, And in fact, I'm just going to cut the suspense. I gave this one three yellow lights as well. Like I said, I was fully prepared to slam this thing and say this is non essential. It's it doesn't really, there's not much plot to it.

It's justn't really. But i'll tell you what. I love that Bobby is featured prominently. It feels like it's been a while since we've seen him have a lot to do in an episode. He's been kind of in the periphery for a couple of episodes now, and it's good to see him having so much to do.

And I love the fact that they make no bones about the idea that Bobby is just a crummy friend, He's just a jerk. Like the lengths they go to to convey the notion that he's so thoughtless is really kind of commendable. Here, he's just so self absorbed, and as we've already discussed, Tony's reaction feels really true to me, even down to the fact that he ends up defending Bobby in the wake of Alex's criticism at the very end of the episode, and jud Harsh is solid. He's got some great line readings, and he's got some funny bits, and Louis even gets in a few choice zingers here and there. So there's aside from the fact again there's not a lot of ensemble interaction and some of it is a little too sit comy, if you will.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought it was unexpectedly revealing about both Bobby and Tony in ways that I didn't recall from my watching the show originally, So good on them. I thought this was a decent show, so very good. So we both give it three yellow lights. That's going to do it for this episode of night mister Walters father alone.

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