166. An American Catchup In Riverdale

We're in with I want to dream out of range all the feature of the park with the Son of the Cool Harry's flying, not in reading the fold and his touch, she said, the clown of the Star. I gotta dream out the name dread in the forest and jam and the edge of the lake, at the ring, in the Jewels, a light in the Welcome back to another episode of the Feminine Critique. Guy, I'm I'm Christine, and today we're talking about the movie and book of the Ruins. Oh wait, no we're not, because Christine didn't finish her homework in time. I love the Aufair.

It's like, no big fine. The second week, Yes, I still need to finish it. And that's okay. So I again, I don't even think I said it on the last episode A Feeling Place. I probably said it was on Facebook.

So we will in time come back and do our film and novel of the Ruins. But that's okay. Instead we're just doing another ketchup. Yeah, I've been watching stuff and I think you have too. I kind of have a lot.

I'm looking at my list and actually quite a few of the ones I have in here. Remember two or three were recommends from you so oh good, I look I'm talking about them. Yeah, as is often the case, I think both of our lists are mainly horror, but both of us have some TV as well. Yeah, I have a TV show. Well tell me about the TV show because I am very relevant and I like to keep things current and up to date.

I have decided to start watching Riverdale again. Again. I didn't know, oh you had started it and not finished. Yeah. We watched season one and we were like okay, and then I think started season two and bad.

I don't think I was interested in the seasons. Ye didn't know they did that anymore. I think I and Riverdale just recently ended, and I think it was one of the last of its kind in that regard. Um. I so we started at season two, um, and I remember most of season one.

Season one was cool and good and stuff. So we started at season two and got I got really into it, and then we just went into season three. So I've watched twenty two episodes of this and like, I don't know a week. Yeah, we went into season three and it's even better. It's very weird, it's very silly.

One of my main complaints about like twenty two episode seasons. Um is you know, it's kind of the lost Thing where spin wheels at a certain point exactly and there's a mystery and we're never really going to get to it. Or I found a thing, but I'm not going to tell you about it. Um Riverdale does not do that. If you find something in the next scene someone's yelling at somebody about it, or if I threatened you in the next scene, now I'm flaying skin off your arm, like if the escalation is really and Riverdale isn't.

Was always CW or did it at some point move as a streaming show. I it started on the CW. I think it might have gone to Netflix. I know it's on. That's how you watched it, probably right Netflix or somehow maybe not?

No, yeah, okay, because I know that was where it was for a while, so I wasn't sure if it was one of those like the show you where it moved networks or if it was just you know, the streamers always went there after the after real TV. It ended up there, so that's how more people ended up watching it, or at least talking about it. I know it's it's viewable out there. I had to I watched the first episode maybe like five years ago, and it was one of those I was excited because I like the guy behind it also did whatchamacalled the tech them down the Trained Sundown. He was a playwright.

I had like known his stuff for years. He also did um worked like with the Glee people, so like I think he even wrote Glee episodes. Like so there was like a voice there that I knew. It was a voice that I really liked, it was interested by. But I was not that into the first episode, and I thought to myself, this is a huge investment of time, so I might just not keep going.

It really is, and I think that's probably why we bailed after season one, because it is it's a huge investment. But I've been doing I get in these cycles with movies, like I started just rewatching stuff sure and now I feel like I've rewatched so many things I can't watch them again. So now I'm just kind of like over movies. I guess I just needed the palate cleanser. So this it's very easy to it's very watchable, it's very digestible, it's on it does things like so as a child of Buffy, there are certain things that I enjoy in an hour long drama, and this hits everything, and I haven't They do theme episodes, they do flashback episodes.

There was an episode where they put on Carrie the music. Believe me, that is the reason why I kept keep telling myself maybe I should go back and watch all river Dale just to get to that season. And it's really absurd, and they do obviously great character stuff and and and that's the last show I felt this way about was The Magicians, which was I thought a tremendous series. And it just feels like I watched like the first couple episodes of something and it doesn't hit me. But for some reason, this really has hit.

So if you need to sink hundreds of hours into a television show, might I recommend I might need to because it's you know, like I have a couple of new shows on here that I watched for the first time, but there is that comfort for me. That was Top Chef because I had never watched a single episode of Top Chef and then maybe a year and a half ago, I started watching it and it's all on streaming, and it was one of those like I don't need to sit down and watch it. I don't need to stop what I'm doing. I can have it on while I'm cooking because it's very appropriate. I'm gonna have it on while i'm cleaning, you know, once every month or whatever that is.

But the comfort of that show that I can go to and still get something new out of but yet not have to be tied down to it has been really nice. Except now I'm at the last season of Top Chef that I haven't watched, so I need another thing like that. So maybe, maybe, maybe, indeed, maybe it has. It feels very twin peaksy at times. That was my understanding of it.

Yeah, but it also has like a lot of really just classic genre references. I swear some of the house, like one of one of the houses looks like the night Marion elm Street House. I'm sure that's intentional, it's just there. There. There are themes that you're like, oh, this is a this is a classic Hall.

Yeah, And I like that because, yes, because I feel like, while I'm not necessarily the audience for this show, I definitely feel like I am appear with the people making the show, which is how I always felt about Pretty Little Liars. Yeah, it's very pretty Little Liars. I don't know why I didn't lead with that to pitch you on it. I have said to Zach so many times watching it, Oh, this is just like pretty Oh this is so much because remember the Halloween train episode. Oh yes, well, in the year before the Halloween episode, like the way they would do shot for shot moments referencing classic movies, and you knew the target audience wasn't getting that, but we were.

Yes. So one of the things I loved about Pretty Little Liars is there was always an excuse or a reason to like put on a fancy dress or go to a party. In one of the recent ones, somebody opened to speak easy and I was like, oh, I can't wait to see this opening and what everybody wears to it. Everybody okay, nice. You know, if there's a show that's going to give me a good excuse to see cute hats, then I'm kind of all in.

It was like, oh, it has big Pretty Little Liars energy in that regard. Did you quickly though? Because I didn't talk about it on the show, I don't think did you watch the new Pretty Little Liars? I didn't. What's funny was I did watch the Pretty Little Liars spin off that nobody else watched.

H there, I didn't. It was so bad. I can't even remember what they called it, but it was Alie and Mona, which sad because I feel like that actress deserves a gigantic career and should not be slumming in that show. Um. But it was not good.

And so then when I saw they were rebooting PLL, I'm like, oh, wait to see what the masses to say? Was it? Yeah? Did they did? They canceled it?

Right? I um, probably at this point with the strike, if something wasn't a huge hit, it's probably gonna be canceled. So I still have that I like that genre of television. Yes, because I liked the Scream TV show. If anybody's in the Marble had not watched UM, then Cruel Summer is a show of the first season of Cruel Summer is so good and we're we're kind of watching the second season.

So like, that's still my bread and butter. I love these f and shows well because there's so much content to it, so you get the time to kind of stew in it. And like you were saying, and that I mean very much that PLL thing of there is a mystery to grip onto. But also everybody is cute. Everybody is pretty, they're wearing pretty clothing.

It's fun like as much as um that joke of CW actors and in like horror remakes for example, which was like the big trend of the early two thousands, and now everybody rolled their eyes. But you kind of get it because the thing is we go to the movies because we want to see things that we don't have in life. So yes, yeah, sure, put really attractive people in this story. That's fine. And where do you get them?

They grow them somewhere the w blatch Like. Well, that's the fun thing about about Riverdale too, I mean you know it from PLL. It's the casting of the adults, the casting of the parents. Oh yeah, that's right. They Luke Perry in there.

Ye. So so now this is not a spoiler, but now Billy Loomis and Shelley from Twin Peaks were just laying in bed half naked together. Oh I mean that's what I've learned. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, and again that's where you know the creators behind it are speaking to us as much as they are the young audience.

There was a direct scream reference with Ski and one of the last episodes. I'm just saying, like, I get it. It's probably not going to be some people's cup of tea because it is very silly and trite and melodramatic, and it is a bunch of silly kids like solving crimes. So I can get like not being on board. But if I if you even think that that's your ship, I think you should check it out.

Nice. Nice, I've been watching Air. I get that. So for TVs, I have a few. One is ongoing, but I watched the first TV movie version of it.

As anybody who knows me enough knows, there a few things in life I love, like you know, cats and dogs and cheese and VC Andrews. So Lifetime once again is adapting VC Andrews like from My time. So they're doing a Dawn mini series or I don't know what you call it when it's I guess it's a mini series, but it's a you know each I think they're doing each book as a two hour but really like our forty installment separately. So they did the first episode, which was Dawn, the second one should be Secrets of the Morning and then I think it was Twilight's Child and then Midnight Something. I read all these books a lot when I was young, so they did a Dawn adaptation.

Jesse Metcalf plays the dad, which is very funny and makes you feel very old. Yeah, I was so, indeed, And it's it's very because again I read a lot of V. Sanders and I was young, and to me, the stories, like the joke about incest is always there, and yes, every one of those franchises involves incest in two ways. There is the incest of always a character falls in love with somebody and then discovers that you know, she was kidnapped and she actually is related to this person. But the other part, and this is like the more uncomfortable part, is that like she has been raised and this is true of again several V.

Sanders adaptations where she grows up with a brother or somebody she thinks it's her brother, and then when they find out they're not blood related, then they're like, oh, good now we can get it on. And that's even weirder to me. But anyway, so that's all every time these movies. Tram On and Brandon has never read a word of V. Sanders.

Yeah, and I've always had to explain, like why it was such a huge influence on me as a young adult as a reader, because it was the same way I like soap operas. It was such high drama, kind of gothic, but it was always from the point of view of a young woman who was really talented and really smart and all this stuff. So it was really important to like my development as a I think creator in some ways. And yet every time one of these airs on TV, the incest overtones are so so ridiculous that it's impossible to get past that by any points. So, um, yeah, if if you liked I don't know if if you were wanted to see Dawn as a movie like this did a decent job of doing it as a TV movie, except apparently Don was all about incest, which I didn't get when I read it twenty thirty years ago.

That has anybody written about that? Like So, I've never read a VC Andrews book. I'm very familiar with them and their covers because I like, of course, but I never read them. I was reading very inappropriate and Rice while everybody was so we all have our wed but but I think it is interesting that, like you said, it was you're not alone in that feelings. Yeah, it was very formative for a lot of young women, specifically very much.

And I think it's very interesting that it seems to be one of our only outlets for incest. So it's strange that they've been so intrinsically linked now whether or not it was the intention at the time. So I'm just curious, maybe if we had other ways to discuss incest in pop cult, we could just talk about the stories of VC Andrews and her ghostwriter Andrew Nierman. Very interesting. Oh yeah, I always forget that Andrew Neiderman of The Devil's Advocate and my pin pin.

I was just about to yell up, you know, honestly in inspiration, totally totally. Yeah, That's why it is something I should I should look more into, because I mean there's a yeah, at this point, there is a whole generation of mostly women, but I'm sure men too. But that did have a very big awakening in a lot of different ways, and I don't mean that like sexually, just I think a lot of VC andrew was the first quote unquote adult ish books that a lot of young women read, and It's it's funny thinking back, because like I remember always knowing, oh, yeah, there's you're probably related as I read the book whenever there's a love interest, But to me that was never like it was there was a forbidden love element, but there was so much else going on, And I never, even as much as I read series after series, I didn't think of them as incest books at all, because there was to me, that wasn't what you needed in that story.

You could take the fact that her love interest was her cousin out and you would still have something I'd want to read. Like, that wasn't why I was reading them. So, yeah, that's interesting. I should look up more and see because there could be a project there. I just think it's so fascinating that it's such a taboo subject, but yet within these works it's like, oh, let's not just talk about it, let's fucking pump it up.

Yeah, And the Lifetime adaptations go so hard in it where with the opening scene of this of this Lifetime movie is Don. At this point, Don has no idea that her brother and her brother has no idea that they are not biological siblings. The opening scene is her getting ready in the morning, wearing this very like cease through nightgown and she's brushing her hair and her brother walks by and just like looks at her and you see him like you know, you don't see the heart on, but like you sense the herd on. And it's the opening scene of this fucking adaptation. I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh, and like Brandon's just looking at me laughing.

I'm like, no, it was more. It's about more than that. But I'm like, maybe it's not. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. And that's the thing is, are these modern adaptations actually just a reason to do that?

Yeah? This is really weird because it's not I watch a lot of media that is not a common topic. No, you're right, just standard media. I'm not not gonna saying that it should or shouldn't be. I just think it's really odd that it's been relegated to a your lifetime air quote style movie.

Yeah, and weird, and kind of along that same thing that we see a lot with how horror can be the first place to address something in society or to address something culturally. Right, Like you go back and when did we start talking about you know, nine to eleven and torture. Oh right, it was with horror movies that we're actually addressing it one way or another. And it's like that similar other thing of this a little pocket of subculture that The New York Times isn't doing book reviews of VC Andrews adaptations, but yet they're selling millions of copies. And yet this is the place where you know, if you wanted, if you wanted a lot of things, you could go there.

But also if you wanted to find somewhere where there was a kind of mainstream incest, that's where you went. Yeah, that's interest here. Indeed, all right, um less, Well, I guess not along the same lines, but other TV that this one I don't think involved any incest on So there the Slasher series, which I don't think you ever watched any of? Did you? Um?

That show? Yeah, the sort of American horror story Canada style and budget. I think I watched the first season. Okay, there was just about to ask you very broad questions that wouldn't have helped me figure out if I was thinking of the same thing, And I think I was like, was it outside a lot? Was there maybe snow?

The second season had a lot of snow. Was there a hot tub? Were they like friends somewhere? There were friends? Season two was they were like summer camp friends, and then they had reunited for like a wintry get together.

Okay, so I think we might have gotten it. I watched season one, tried to watch season two, didn't enjoy it that much. Gold Yeah, it's a I mean, it's a weird little franchise. Iven enjoyed it, but it's it. It does different.

There's different things about it that I really appreciate, which is it is very gay. Um it I believe, like I don't think it's the same creator now doing the show running, but I think it's like the same team. So there's definitely like the same aesthetic, the same kind of style. Like clearly they kind of came at it as like we if we're gonna do sexual abuse, we're not gonna show it, but we're gonna hit down it. We're gonna do this, We're gonna do that.

We're always gonna have gay characters. And the last I have, I feel like it gets It's gotten better mostly each season. I think season three was probably the best season. Um Season four was really fun. It was kind of a knives out type thing.

Dave Kerneberg was in it, and so the most recent season is Ripper, and so now, yeah, it's a sort of Jack the Ripper type story, except it is there's a Jack the Ripper ish murderer who seems to be female. They call her the Widow, and she is not killing them, you know, the streetwalkers. She is killing the rich. And there is clearly like some crime that happened ten years ago and all of like the wealthy elite were involved and they're the ones that she's targeting. So it's good in that, like it's a little more punch up than punch down, which is always appreciated.

Eric McCormick is in it as sort of like I guess the David Cronenberg of this season. It's it's okay. I think it's very ultimately landed, Like it felt clear it's hard to do period on a low budget, and you can really feel like it's kind of a low budget and it doesn't you know, it doesn't quite look the way you expect it to. They're in Canada, so you can argue that there's no need for accents, and so nobody's British or anything, but yet everybody, not everybody, but a lot of the actors feel really contemporary, and so it just doesn't quite kind of you can't really fully it feels like costuming in that way. I liked the ending.

I liked the resolution. It I don't know, it's it is so gory, it's like and very I believe it's all practical effects, Like it looks great if you're somebody that likes seeing really really extreme, ridiculous murders, you get that here, which is again fine. I think this particular go around, I wasn't like always in the mood for it, but I got to the point where I'm like, oh, I want to see who the killer is. I want I want to finish it. Yeah, and then I was like, oh and oh, man, like do I that's a lot to see?

Do I need to see all of that? Like, so kind of a mixed review. If you've watched the series, then no reason not to keep going. But if you haven't, I don't think coming back to this one. I think if you're going to come back to one, season three or four are the ones to do that for.

So Okay, okay, yeah, that's interesting. Okay, I'll have to readd that to my list of potentials. Yeah, I would be curious for you to go to season three. They're and they're not. They don't necessarily they don't.

They have nothing to do, no, no, no, no, if anything, Um, you could watch them completely out of order because there is no tie in whatsoever. The only tie in is that you have the it's again the way American horstory doesn't. It's the same actors for the most part, over and over again in different parts. And that's kind of fun because you get to know a certain actor as the villain or as the you know, very I don't know peroic character, or the um or the villainous woman, and then the next season, like that same actress gets to play really sympathetic and it's kind of fun exercise because you get to see who's good based purely on like their range. Yeah, Like I don't want to I don't want to make it be all about Riverdale again, but there's a point in Riverdale where they essentially play their parents in a flashback and you go like, oh wait, that how used to happen in PLL two.

Oh yeah, and that's how we all knew were like, yeah, han up, she's gonna be Stardah Spencer can do this. The other two are very pretty Yeah I get that. So yeah, that that is very satisfying. Yeah. So again mixed mixture of you there, but much bigger recommendation for on HBO somebody somewhere.

Have you watched any of this? No? You know Bridget Everett? Yes, Okay, So this is her show. It's season two.

Um, it's great. It's the easiest way to describe. It is sort of like a more realistic Shit's Creek in some ways, where it is set in Kansas in kind of rural area and it's very very laid back as a show goes like, there's not much of a plot. Bridget Everett has moved back to her home because her parents are kind of having issues. There was a death in her family, so she's dealing with that, and it's just her kind of in a coming back home and being very unhappy and kind of having no direction, and then making friends and having a very deep friendship with somebody, and then season two is a little bit more of that, and then her friend becomes herman involved and then she has to deal with that.

It's to describe the plot. It's to say nothing because there's like again, very little happens in those seasons. It's very just much about here are some really interesting characters and people and they're played by really really intriguing actors and we just get to see them play off each other and it's lovely. Um it's it is not depressing. It is very funny.

It is very like I mean, if you've seen Bridget Ever, it's comedy, like like she can be pretty, crash, she can be pretty and it's there and it's wonderful. So I loved it. I definitely like this. The second season like hit me a little hard, like I did cry a bit, Like it's it's not like I'm saying, it's like Ship's Creek in that like it's a similar setup where you're sort of in the Midwest, and um, you know, there's a lot of just hanging around, a lot of queerness. It's all positive, like you don't have to worry about anything bad happening just because of where they are.

It's very pretty because they're just like on cornfields, but yet there is just it's really nice and it's really deep and honest, and I really recommended It's it's unlike anything. I can easily compare it to So Big right HBO. It's on h or Max if you will, if you want to call it what it is now, Okay, it's wonderful, I recommend. Okay, another one I really liked. I can't remember who mentioned this, but I saw somebody on Facebook talking about the show and I'm like, I've never heard of this and it sounds fun.

Let me look it up on Amazon Prime Class of Oh seven, which is easiest way to describe it. Again, like not to compare it, but you can. It's like it's a kind of a yellow Jacket's e set up. In premise, it is an Australian show, and it is a high school reunion of and it's like a girls academy. So it's all women go to their ten year high school reunion and basically the apocalypse hits and they are duck where where they are sort of on an island, so they are both protected and safe but also going to run out of food and everything else.

And it's all women that are there, and they have all the baggage of imagine going to your high school reunion and suddenly you're stuck with those women and everything comes back out. UM. Emily Browning is the lead, and I have never I have never seen her be funny. She is fucking hysterical. She's really good sometimes, but but yet she doesn't seem to be cast to do much else other than be like pretty and doll like.

She's very competent. She really is. It's funny because I confuse her now with Dove Cameron. I think they look it's a lot alike, right, They're both very very pretty, very pale, with kind of like big guys, big lips, but the sort of very like doll like everything um and everything I've seen Emily Browning in has been like sucker Punch or like that Beauty Sleeping Beauty movie like where she is very much typically it is her look that is used a certain way, and in this UM, the opening scene is great. The opening scene is like she was a contestant on The Bachelor basically as she kind of has a freak out and it is very funny.

But then within the show she is sort of the like she's your your you think she's your protagonist and your hero, but she makes such dumb decisions that you see why, Like everybody rolls their eyes at her. Constantly. It's great. She's so funny, and the whole cast is there are a couple of faces you recommend, all from Australian things, but it's this great group of women. It's it takes a little bit of time to kind of settle.

I think there's like the first episode or two there it seems like they're going for really easy jokes, but they keep going and it gets very deep. There's good stuff going on there about friendship and about like the insecurities you had when you were sixteen and how ten years later, Like it just takes a little bit for those to kind of come back up and you think you're past them, but maybe you're not. And it's also really funny. It's just very funny. I think they're half hour episodes.

Oh that's always appreciated. Yeah, I don't know if this got renewed, I think, and I don't fully understand because it's called Classic O seven. It was released on Amazon this year, so I don't know if they filmed it a few years ago or if it just for whatever reason, like was intended to take place five years ago. I don't know. It's something is off about that timeline that makes me think this was like just not was like an Australian production that Amazon bought after the fact.

So I don't know if they're doing any more seasons. It's shame because it does. It's a satisfying one season, but it's clearly intended to go longer than that. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I always get hesitant to start. If you if you don't know its future, it is very like you don't.

I've done the same thing. I often will not watch something until I know it's renewed. It's that's a real hack thing to say at this point, but that honestly, when I heard Riverdale was ending, I was like, all right, well, I guess, yeah, but and I know that doesn't help it while it's airing by any means. Yes, But like I mean, I think at this point we're all aware we have way too much to pick from. Yeah, well, and that I mean that is.

There was an article, I think it was a variety about that about how like no peak TV is dead and it is because the bubble has burst. There is, and that is in part what's happening with the strike right now is that studios and streamers were just throwing money at things without any plan and any real compensation as we know now. So you had so many shows that got the green light for one season and are great, and half of them will never even see because it was ended up being cheaper. Does not even air it, and it's such a shame. It's somebody at work recently told me about a show that they were watching and they're like, oh, it's really good.

It's it's on MGM plus and I was like, fuck you, no, no, I am not. You cannot Yeah, I can't hear any more streaming sites right now, let alone like you know that. But it's it'll change, I think, and that's not always for the better because what we got out of the last couple of years was shows about people and by people who weren't getting shows in the past. Yeah, so we'll see how that all shakes out. But I don't know.

So we're in a weird place right now, you really are. If one more TV that is also kind of part of the I'd say that the peak TV miss. And again, this is a show that had a lot of momentum and um like conversations when it premiered, and I didn't even know it was in its third season because there is no publicity about it whatsoever, and that is insane to me because it is so good and that is the great. Oh yeah, that is so long. It is still on, right, did you even know?

I didn't know, and I have Hulu. I did because I saw my TV advertised it to me. Yeah, uh and like us and like a scrolling bar at the top, But no, I have I have not watched any of it. I love it. It's it is very funny.

Um. I mean, if you saw the Favorite, it's the same writer and it's the same tone and by season three, like because it is a very particular type of comedy. The actors now are so good at it. So it's El Fanning and Nicolas Holt are so good and so funny, and like, Nicholas Holt to me has been great since the beginning and he is hilarious. But El Fanning really like this season I'm watching.

I'm like, she has become such a good comedian. She knows what she is doing with every every facial tick in every line, reading like this is a great comedy performance. And again nobody even really is because nobody's watching it anymore. It somebody had said with about the strike that because I guess Miss Marvel is getting put on ABC and instead of Disney. Plus people are like, oh, is this now when everyone's going to have time to actually watch these things and sit with them and develop with the characters.

And I was like, I mean, I don't like this, and I don't want this to be the way. Yeah, but like, there's so much content and we as consumers have not been given any time to actually explore what's out there and see what we like and see what works. Yeah. Not to say that this strike is going to allow that to happen, but it is highlighting the glut of stuff we have, some of which is amazing that just none of us have had the time or the space to look at. Yeah.

And I think now that we know how poorly compensated the people behind those shows are. Yeah, I don't know if you read I think I can't. I think it was a New Yorker there was a good article about Orange as a New Black and how that cast was so underpaid that most of because of the way that show kind of was structured, was very like, oh, there are eight cast members and then everybody else is a guest star. So if you were in the prison, and you were in ten episodes each season, you were paid and credited as a guest star, which was like scale if even that. So you had actors who were like, yeah, I lost money on the show because I had to provide my own transportation and I was getting paid nothing.

And then I would go and work at a bar at night because I had to pay my rent, and everybody would be like, oh my god, I love you on that show, and you're like, yeah, okay, can you please tim me because I I can't get to the show tomorrow, Like it just and it's a problem, and it's you know, it's the same way we're gonna suffer for anything. All these resources that we think are endless, and in this case, it was people's creativity and talent that was exploited, essentially, and there was so much of it that we weren't even benefiting because we weren't getting all of it. We can't we can't all watching everything. There was no time for it. So who knows.

Maybe maybe, I mean, I'm hopeful because it seems like it's um And the other part of the scary thing is how much the AI discussion is figuring into all of those terrifying and I hate it and um but yeah, let's let's hope for a good outcome for everybody on this morning. Yes, well yeah, all right, so that was all my TV. I have some movies. I know you have movies? Or we good to keep going?

Or do you need a break? No, We're good to go, right? So? Uh what kind of movies you watching? Do you want to do horror movies for sure?

Do you want to go one and then one? Or do you want me to just dump everything? You know, let's go one and one. You give me one, I'll bounce off with it. Um.

Well, I'm not going to talk about Fright Night twenty eleven again, even so I did watch it or House of Blacks two thousand and five. I have a problem. Um American Werewolf from Paris? Huh? I remember when that came out.

I never saw it. What I think of that movie? I saw it? So it came out in ninety seven. I probably saw it and like, I don't know, ninety nine or something on video.

So this is I think my first official time watching it. It is so bad. I remember it being like pant and no granted, any horror movie that came out in that era kind of did not get a fair shake from critics. But I distinctly remember that movie just being hated, and I think, I think for good reason. It's not all bad.

There are some like interesting things, and like I don't think that anything such a classic that you can't ever do another, not so I'm not coming from it from that perspective, but like there's like two bungee jumping scenes which I remember that in the in the trailer, which aren't good. And there there's I feel like it got really chopped up. There's like things that don't make sense, Like it's that level of bad, like oh this doesn't make sense, or oh where did this person come from? Or this is clearly a reshoot or I thought this person was dead. Is the tone of it in line with London?

Or is it just a straight horror movie? Well, I know that we don't enjoy that man who made the film, but he made some really good films, which will there's definitely a like a levity that he Landis would bring to He makes comedies, for I believe that that is a fact. He makes comedy. I would agree he also makes good genre stuff, but he makes comedies. This movie is that it is a comedy, but it's not good, and it's not funny, and it's not consistent, and it's not smart.

Because that's the thing. Again, we don't like him. I don't like him, but he made job. But he made a better movie than the guy that made world embarrassed. Yeah, Like his movies are smart and funny and weird and like subversive at times.

This was none of that, and and it like there were I think there was room for it. You know. It's funny too, because I remember so much that movie being advertised. I wonder I might have been working at a movie theater when it was didn't come out, but when it was being advertised, because it must have been like the TV must have been arring it all the time. Yeah, and the trailer was so serious, like it was very here's the song.

Here is this guy saving this girl, but she's ware But it was very like it was sold as a straight horror movie, probably because we didn't have many horror comedies at that era, like that was not a thing anymore. And and it came the comedy and it comes across more like slapstick and like absurdist, fascinating, but not like any in any interesting way, not like it's actually saying anything, because I could think you could argue that London is absurdist, all right, but like very but relevant to like the themes and what they're exploring. I don't feel like that happened at all in this movie. Nice good to know. Yeah, there was one I never because I'm so not a wearable person.

It was never really on my radar. But there's a part of me that wants to see every nineties flop in a genre. So I think I can keep this one down the bottom list. You'll see a theme. I'm I think I'm trying to be a completist at that time period.

Titing, Okay, cool, talk about being a completist. I will move over to shutter, where I finally have the opportunity to watch the twelfth installment of the Children of the Korn series. Oh thank god somebody did um. I you know, I'm thinking obviously a lot about this franchise as a whole, and I feel like everybody's anybody who has a relationship with it, has the same relationship to it, which is like we all have kind of you know, strong memories and different feelings. For the first one a lot of us rented Part two in three, so there's some like affection for those.

And then we hit the point where we're like, I think I saw four and five and maybe six, and I know I saw the remake, and I think I saw this one, and then we really can't remember past a certain point because they rounded a corner and they got really boring. So this one was not boring. I this is a stupid movie, and I had a great time. I was like, this point they need to be I said. The thing that still kills me is that there is still I do love the first one.

I think there's some really good stuff in the first one, but the first one is also very clearly a movie that ran out of money and did not get to be finished. It doesn't feel like a finished film. So while there are scary things in part one, I don't think there has ever actually been a scary, chilling Children of the Corn movie. And I think you can still make it, but this guy can't. So this is um no.

I think if I had to give it, like, how would you describe this movie in one world? Were like one sentence? It is a that escalated quickly. It's like a one day children of the Corn changeover. Now.

Two things I love about it. One is that I think there is a kernel See what I did there? I did not mean too, but it came out and I couldn't stop it. There's a kernel of a really good, good theme, which is that this is about the adults have failed the kids. Right there is the opening scene, there is sort of a shooting where the town share of deals with it by basically killing about bunch of kids inside and then like later or as like, the main issue of the current moment is that the corn has been so poisoned because years earlier, the adults like signed off with like some corporation that was going to do something different to the corn, and it basically destroyed the corn.

So now the corn is poison and it's because of the decision these parents have made. And the new decision is, well, the government's going to subsidize us to destroy it and to not grow anything, and to the parents are all right, so what we're gonna do? I mean, all the kids who are led by Queen. The actress is the name is Kate Moyer. The character's name is Eden.

She is pure girl boss Megan the doll energy I love this kid. It's very bad. Seed wrote a penmark. I love her so much, and she's like, no, like, this is our corn. You find out why it's a spoiler alert.

I guess it's because, like, so she was part of the massacre in the opening scene, but like she ran to the corn and she was safe there because he who walks behind the rose, who we get to see in this movie, and he's basically Grout, Grout took care of her. So now she's like, no, we can't destroy Grout. He's my friend. So we're gonna kill all the grown ups and it gets really vicious and they kill them in pretty like oh my gosh, that that was intense. But again, this all happens over the course of like three hours.

Again, stupid, stupid movie. I had a great time. I've never seen a Children of the Corn movie. What I'm sorry is this microphone on? Did you just say you've never seen a single Children in the Corn movie?

No? You never saw the first one? No, you know what you know? We're doing Actoeber. We're doing a Children in the Corn episode part one and maybe part two if it's findable anywhere, because part two is exact would be very happy about that.

Oh my gosh, I have, like so many people I know, I have said, like, one of these days, I'm gonna sit down and watch all of them, and everybody I know has not actually gotten through all of them. Which is again very similar to the hell Raizor franchise, because this is see like, there's at least two sequels in there that were, oh shit, we have to make a Children in the Corn movie before the rights run out? Do you have a script that we can turn into Children in the Corn. There's at least two of them in there, but the first one has some really good things going. I don't doubt that, because I think for me, the interest is my interest has just never been piakeud because I don't really get into like the creepy kid sub genre.

Sometimes I wonder how we're friends. I know, that's a very big divergence between the two of us. It's just not something that that's ever really hit or been interesting to me. Um I don't know why. I don't know why.

So it's just the whole franchise that I just kind of went nothing for me. There. One of them has Kirsty Ally in it. I know that um oh does it right. Oh my well, one of them has any watts, one of them has shirt least their own, one of them has yeah.

Yeah, Shirles has a really like almost like naughty, and she's almost an extra in Part three Urban Harvest. Parts three is probably the fun of the sequels, because that's the one where the corn goes to the city. Um, what's her name? They only wants is the lead in part four or five. Even Mendez shows up in one like It is by far the most before they were stars franchise interesting is che and what I don't even think I knew that.

Hang on, now, I've just accidentally bookmark Kristi Ali's IMDb page. I'm like, I don't know. I could be wrong. I thought maybe I had. Are you you might be thinking of the of the remake?

No, you're thinking I know what you're doing. You're thinking of the remake of the Village of the Damned. Oh thank you for understanding, because I don't. Yes, she is in that with Christopher Reeve, and that's also an evil children movie, and that is might be worse than if you were doing a ranking. It might be like, right in the middle of the Children of the Corn franchise.

I'll say that it's not very good, but there are some so I am so unaware of creepy kid movies that I'm just to use them all together. Yes, full scene. You discussed me sometimes. Sorry, it's okay. Give me a movie you saw.

Um, I rewatched Friend Request? Okay, which one is Friend Request? Because as you know, there are seventeen movies that came out within the course of two years that have very similar titles. I, yes, you're completely right, I do know which one this is. So, um, Friend Request has the young woman that's in Fear the Walking Dead.

Oh I liked. I like. Honestly, it's even better the second time I've really enjoyed it. I gave it a three and a half on letter, which I think is a bit higher than other people. I think it.

Um, there's like it's very much like Haunted Facebook, but there's also a lot of other stuff going on in it. Yeah, it feels more like The Ring to me than anything else. And I think that if you really view it through the Ring style lens of like social media and like what we see and how we interact with people, Like, You're right, it's very interesting. There is very much I think something I liked about friend because what happens with a lot of these movies that the characters are all awful so you don't care about anything. And Friend Request is a narrative film.

It is not a found footage type movie. And I and I think with that movie, for me, what I really liked about it was that the lead and I like that actress a lot. She was I mean, she deserve better than Fear of the Walking Dead. So she is nice, like, she is a nice person who happens to be very pretty and very like you know, somebody you'd want to be friends with. And she is not being mean about her interactions with the villain, like she's trying to be like, hey, I'm sorry, oh maybe I oh.

Like there's that nice kind of like sense of this person did something nice but then didn't couldn't commit to that full time, and is now going to pay for it by somebody who read that way too deeply. So yeah, definitely, I recommend if you if you didn't pay attention to friend Request, Unfriended or Unfriended dark Web, I recommend that you watched them. That is my order of recommendation. Friend Request, Unfriended and then Unfriended Dark Web. I think Unfriended is a lot of fun and still really effective.

Dark Web is less fun. But I honestly my qualms with friend Request is honestly just character stuff. The overall what it's trying to accomplish in the package it presents you is great, And I think people were too hard on it because we got what appeared to be the same social media movie over and over again, and I think that movie suffered from having actually been a studio film that got released in theaters. Yeah. I think if that dropped on on I won't say Netflix because people have a visceral reaction to horror movies and Netflix.

I think if that dropped on, like, I don't know, on Hulu, then I think people would find it and say like, oh, that was okay. Whereas when it was perceived as a studio backed film, it got a lot of random anger at it that I don't think it merited. Oh I feel the same way about Truth or Dare. Yes. Oh wait, yes, yes, I like Truth or Dare too.

Then the other movie that was also called Truth Dare that came out the same year. Oh yeah, I remember we talked at length about that. Did what the time to be alive? So on the social media ish horror, I watched one on Amazon called The Girl in Cabin thirteen. I have seen this go by, So there is a social media element because the it's about this couple and she's an influencer, and I don't think this movie knows what that means because all she does is like take pictures of food and herself and like she has millions of followers and that's how she makes her living.

But it's like she it's not like exciting food and she's not doing anything. I don't know. Maybe I don't understand influencer culture because that might be a thing. I don't know. But anyway, so one day, like somebody breaks into their house and they're freaked out, and the cop comes is like, maybe you should go away for the weekend.

They're like, okay, we'll do that. So they do. They go to a remote cabin somewhere and then the first thing she does is video, you know, do a selfie video of her beg like, hey here we are in our cabin. It's great, and posts it. So then what do you know, the people that were show up again in her cabin.

So this is one of those movies that I can't be too hard on because it is so clearly made for nothing. It is a seems to be like a film studio somewhere in like Utah that does, like a lot of these kinds of movies, very quickly, very cheaply. The actors are not terrible, like they're doing what they can. I don't think either of them are gonna be stars, but like the guy especially, I'm like, no, he I could see him being like showing up in something, and I believe him in it. The problem with this is just like these are they are so stupid, and you can forgive a little bit of that when you're watching a movie if the rest of it is doing something interesting, but it's they're in the cabin and now they're they keep forgetting to close doors behind them, like it's not recommended.

It is very dumb, but it's the kind of thing I like to watch. I completely understand. Yeah, I have one. It's a new movie that I watched newly. Um, I'm gonna make a concerted effort.

I'm now I haven't watched Skinner Rank, I haven't watched The Outer Waters. There's I'm getting a build up of things that I feel like I need to see in order to be in on a discussion about modern films. Yep Um, which sucks. I don't like being in this deficit. But there is a film from last year that I had been kind of interested in and decided to watch, and it's called The Visitor, and the poster for it is like a painting of a guy but his face is all, um, not there visitor Um.

Okay, I seem pulling it up poster. Yes, So basically what the high high points are like, Hey, it's a doppelganger situation. Also, there's weird paintings depicting a guy that already exists. Weird, right, that's weird and cool? Right yeah?

No, no, no, no. Um. I gave it two stars. I think I was being no two and a half. I gave it two and a half because I'm a generous, nice person.

Um, there's just so much wrong with what it was trying to do. Maybe it's on Paramount. I'm not sure it was like the kind of movie that would be on Paramount. I'm I'm glad I watched it because I was interested stood and it had interesting ideas. It's just the execution of it was really clunky, and it had such fascinating concepts, it didn't seem to want to actually engage with them, which is weird.

You got a doppelganger and you got weird paintings with a guy in it that shouldn't be in it. That's cool. There's interesting things to the director I'm not familiar with, but the writer, at least one of them is Simon Boyas, who did The Devil's Chair and Broken, which movies I've seen. So there's like some kind of pedigree behind it that is intriguing, but it sounds like it is not worth my time. I didn't.

I don't know who would get excited by this. No, honestly, especially if you've seen a lot of horror movies, which you know we have, and it's kind of like, well, I guess this exists. Good to know. Well, I'll swing around to another Doppelganger movie, one that you recommended. Who I think I know which one this is.

I went to Hulu and I watched Duel. What did you think? I loved it? Yeah, it was really good. So I again, this is like where we talk about peak movies as well as peak TV, because how how did I never hear about this until you mentioned it, and I still have never heard anybody else mention it.

This was so this to me, Like, I think part of the probably it's it's maybe problem with finding an audience is that either is a little bit of a I won't call it a bait and switch, but on paper and even when you first start watching it, you think you are getting a very different type of movie or genre of movie even And this is to me like a black comedy. This is the love this if I had to compare it to anything, that is what it's doing. It is a weird universe where everybody is a bit affected and talks differently than we do and has to people differently. And so this scenario of it being, oh, you clone yourself and then you might have to fight your clone to the death, like that is not at all what this movie is about.

There's so much else going on and it is so much more about the comedy. I've laughed so hard watching this movie. Yeah it's Riley Stearns Man. He creates worlds. Yeah, it's a it's a full universe.

And um, it's not just like it's you get dropped into this situation where this isn't It reminded me of that that um the Clock movie where everybody has timer like timer things. Yeah I can see that. Yeah, but like it just drops you into this world that is so very much like ours, but with very big, life changing differences, and it's interesting to see how these relatable, recognizable characters have to deal with that m And so it's fun because it's like, oh, this looks just like your world. This is our world, this is where we live. Oh guess what.

There's cloning and now a duel to the death. It's all right. Oh and Karen Gillan is so good. So oh she like yeah, she needs to be in everything. And it's so fun because she is playing such a different like the whole idea of her being kind of well nobody like unlikable, but yet everybody in this world is unlikable.

It's so good. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm glad you watched it. I'm glad you like yeah cool, Um I have one go for it. Um I watched for the first time Phantom of Them All. Oh I just added that to my cue.

I can't remember if I've seen it before. Um I I it's so I was this is probably not something I should admit, but I'm saying, is zac. I've edited like three pieces about this movie. I've read so much about this fucking movie. I've read synopsises, I've read I've read other articles.

I've never seen it though. It just never was in front of me, and now it's and now it's on shutter. So I said, you know what this is, like ninety minutes, let's watch it. It's so good, it's exciting. It's very chopping mall.

It's the chopping mall mall. Right, I think I think that mall was used for so many things, so probably I think that's is that the bill of Ted's mall too. Maybe I don't, so it's I believe it's the chopping mall mall. Nobody quote me on that though. Um, but it's got big chopping mall energy in the sense that chopping mall is very anti capitalist.

This is also anti capitalist. It's also got like like all the dudes in it are like rapists, So it's got this really like I don't know what you need to launch it. Do you feel if you feel passionate about it, maybe we should talk about it because it's really weird. Okay, Okay, I will, I will, and we can probably find something very interesting to pair with that. M okay, we'll do, we'll do, all right.

So let's see, uh my list. I've got a I'll go with a dud that was a disappointing dud on Shutter Consecration. Oh what's Smith? It's with. It's Christopher Smith, who did Severance and The Black Death and a bunch of other stuff, who I always liked and I always want him to like make that movie that I love and he hasn't yet And this is not one genim alone.

And like I forgot it was her because she's got red hair and has an accent and I did not recognize her at all. And halfway through the movie, I like pulled on the up an I'm to be I'm like, oh, oh right, that's her. So she's good in this. She's fine. Um, Danny Houston's there, he's good.

The problem with this is it's doing a very full horror. Um. You know, it reminds me of Dark Waters, reminds me of a couple of other films. It's, you know, a woman whose brother is killed at this convent in like sort of like in Scotland, in the middle of the highlands on the water, and so she goes to investigate and there's something going on. There are nuns, there was a demon or an angel, I don't know.

And I was like really like, yeah, okay, okay, watching at the gym, I'm really into it. I come back to keep going and I realized a certain point, I'm like, I have no idea what's going on, and I don't think I care. Oh, And that's ultimately how I felt it. Just it's doing so much work to give you a tone, and it does that and you're like, okay, okay, now now what and it just I don't I don't know, like I didn't understand the story in the end, they didn't get who was who. It just sort of went off the rails, but not in a fun way.

It just kind of like it just it felt like it just didn't fully understand its own script. I don't know. It was really disappointing because I know that filmmaker can do better. Yep, yep, um. It's on our list and Zach's been pushing it.

I think I'll still probably watch it. Yeah, you guys might get more out of it than I did. I'll be curious. Yeah, I'm interested because Christopher Smith is the Triangle right yep, which which I've recently watched. And yeah, so I don't know.

I'll give it a shot. Maybe. Yeah, he has a mixed track record, but when he hits, he does movies that are kind of unlike other things. And I think maybe that was this movie's problem. I think it's very It feels really like you can see all the references he's making and you're like, Okay, so we're doing a little bit of a throwback.

But then whatever is original there is muddy to where I really I ended this movie and I'm like, I don't actually know, I don't know what just happened, and I again don't care, so but you might feel differently. I want to hear it. Okay, I'll look at it. I think I have one more horror movie. Okay, four or five more.

I rewatched The Nun. I can say that. Okay, how does The Nun hold up? I was new, not crazy about it in the theater. I don't like it.

Yeah, I just don't. And I think they gave away one of the best gags and scares in the trailer, and and there's a lot of stuff I don't like, and it's just not it's not what I like. It's very I don't like when they get deep into religious propaganda, and I feel like this one does that. Being said, it looks fucking beautiful. Yeah, it's stunning.

And there are a couple gags that are like, oh, those are good gags because for me, that Annabelle Nun conjuring tho, it was all to me boiled down to how good they look in the gags, because I really feel like those are those movies strengths. Yea, I'm very excited for the Second Nun. Who's directing the Second Nun, I feel like it's somebody interesting. I'm not sure, but the woman who wrote the Second Nun is uh malignant in um yeah Cooper, Yes, yes, that's very And it looks like because I watched after we watched the Nun, we watched the trailer for the Nun too, and it looks to be a direct sequel because part of the thing I didn't like about the Nun was that this is from a character standpoint. There's a lot of other stuff I didn't like about the Nun, but we we Taisa for MIGA's character, we get really attached to her, and she's hanging around with the priest, and she's also got this like Frenchie, this like French Canadian kid that they hang around with.

And the end of the movie, this isn't a spoil that this movie has been out, I'm so sorry, at the end of the movie reveals that Frenchie has been possessed and he's a possessed guy now, and that's sad and anti climactic. He's like possessed with the Warrens. I think, I don't know or the Warrens have footage of it. So it's like, well, this sucks because just remember being really distracted because I just assumed Taisa for Miga was playing a younger version of about to say Diane Warren. It's not Diane Warren.

But now that's a whole another movie that I am totally there for. But I didn't like at the end of the movie realizing the timeline, because I thought like, okay, well, what's her name, missus Warren. We know that she eventually is married to Patrick Wilson, but that doesn't mean she wasn't a nun. I know she's really Catholic, So in my head. It was like her origin story, because why would you cast Taiisa Farmiga in the same France, not even the same franchising, the same cinematic universe as her older sister who she looks exactly like, and then they're not related.

And I was so distracted by that. I felt like I didn't even watch the movie because I realized I was thinking about something completely different. I don't think you're the only one. I have heard other people say that. I will say I don't think they look anything alike.

And I know I've gotten so much shit for this. Well, I just don't see it at all. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't know they were related because I remember her from the first season of American Horror Story.

I didn't know they were related for like years. Then that could be why we both have face blindness in just very different ways, very different ways. I know. Idea, But it looks like the None two is a direct sequel, so the Frenchy character actually gets to like, we get to see what happens. Because I felt like it was a really undercutting of characters.

They just asked me to spend like an hour and a half two hours with and now they're just shitting on them, and I hate when I hate when things do that, because like, what was the point of me spending my time with your characters if you're just going to shit on them? Yeah, but I feel like the second one might rectify some of that feeling. So I'm excited. I'm excited to see it. Good good, Um, Okay, so a few more than I watched nothing that was well.

Actually, let me talk about the good one. I know I have two good ones. So Hulu. I did a bit of a Hulu watch on a bunch of things. One um, actually it was on Hulu, but the reason I watched it was because it was on my cue and then it was on the expiring part.

So I'm like, God, I'll watch this before it moved to another streamer. And I have to remember that I wanted to watch it. See fever. That sounds familiar. I have definitely never said, I'm sure you've seen like the poster go by.

I think you would like this. This is It is and directed by a woman. It's an Irish movie. Nissa Hardeman, I think is the filmmaker. She did a lot of TV.

She did some Jessica Jones episodes, and this is We're on a boat. It is a fishing expedition, but there's also like a young biologist on the boat who like is there in order to like just do a dive and get some samples and stuff. And Dougray Scott is there, Connie Nielsen is there. Love it. And they are on the boat and they go into waters ley shouldn't and there's a giant squid thing and it basically turns into alien like very directly, like their winks and big clear nods to both alien and the thing.

And it's good, Like it's very slick, like it's ninety minutes. It feels like this could have been so much longer, but it seems very committed to being like nope, we're in and we're out, and get attached to this character because we're gonna kill him right now, like that kind of thing. I like this a lot. It felt I think you would dig it. I think a lot of people who if you're listening and just sounds appealing in any way, like please watch it.

It was very good. I liked it a lot. I wanted more, um, but I also respect that just like the style of this movie was that like Nope, it's very you're on a boat. There's nothing that we can't dially dally, like, this is the story and it's over in ninety minutes, so I recommend. I thought it was going to be scary, so I will look into it now.

It u the name of it seems like scary stuff like parts fallen off, and it's a body horror definitely. They're definitely body horror elements. I think it's it's tough because I'm thinking, like, what is your definition of scary and mine are different in different ways. Where there's also that aspect of they're on a boat in the middle of nowhere. Um, there's a joke in the beginning, but that's very true, which is like, oh yes, a lot of the crew can't swim because that and that is true of a lot of crew out there.

Is that like no they don't they're never in the wall or they don't have to swim. But it's like, oh no, but your boat's gonna get eaten by a squid, so you're gonna have to swim. I don't know, it's it is. Um, there's good moments here, like I think you'll get all that time. I might I might brave it.

You shit, you do not have to brave The other movie that was Expiring Soon that I watched because it was a expiring soon, and that was called The Complex Colin Lockdown. I'm so confused by if this movie was apparently it is based on a video game or like a but not a video game. It was some kind of like computer strategy game. I think, I don't know. It's a in some city somewhere.

There's this biologist team and they're doing like really like scary experiments with nanotechnology, and there's somebody protesting it who basically like eats it and then um so that like she's gonna die in front of everybody, but they get her and then they're trying to get this technology out of her. But in the meantime, I'm there's the threat of biological warfare. I'm it's confusing and explaining it the movie was even more confusing, and I didn't know if I was supposed to like anybody or what anybody's motivation was. And then it was over. So not a recommend it is, But what was not a bummer recommendation from you?

I gave The Devil Conspiracy Ago and oh it's fun. It's very like Warlocky or like you said it best, You're like, this is the movie that Legion we wanted Legion to be. Yeah, yeah, it's fun and it it looks pretty good. I don't know what the budget was, but it you know, there we got some cool things going on. It is chaotic.

I there was like eight different storylines that I was hoping they would go more into, but then instead and they kind of kept shifting. Um. It isn't, by no means a perfect movie, but I enjoyed this. It's big, it takes big swings, it tries things, and that's that's I think. I think that's true.

I'm glad you watched it. And it's tough to recommend something like that because it's like is this good? You know, but it's a good version of what it is. Yeah, it's entertaining. Yeah, like I see, I see what you're doing.

I appreciate it, and you did it okay. And there's a little decisions made that that you can like look and be like you could have done that very poorly yep. Um, And I think like the impregnating of the women, if you will, um, like this is very much a we are trying to reincarnate Lucifer. So you're watching this, you're like, oh, how are you going to handle that? Because the whole idea is obviously that you're trying to find like the right vessel.

So am I gonna have to watch Demon Rape? No? I don't have to watch Demon Rape. They found a way around that, so I appreciate that. Yeah, I hear lots of smart choices.

Yeah. The only thing I was really mad at was that I thought I would get more Peter Mensa and he's in it very little. And I did not care for that at all, because I agree the actor who's all really like playing him in a way is fine, But how much more exciting would it have been if that was Peter Mensa? I yes, fully? Yeah?

Uh two more one, which was the complete opposite of um being what's the word when ambitious? Yes, this was not ambitious at all. No, that wasn't That wasn't a good word. Devil Conspiracy is ambitious, right, it's trying big things, taking big swongs. This movie.

I start watching, I'm like this, why this this cast is way too good for this movie. First of all, if you if you're a horror movie that you haven't heard of and you're on Peacock. It is rarely a very good sign because it means like what like Shutter didn't want you, like to be, didn't get your Like Peacock has this very weird low budget. The movies on Peacock feel like they should be an Amazon Prime, but they're not. They're they're there.

So this movie is called jackals Uh stars Stephendorff, Deborah carra Unger, and Jonathan Check. And if you other people that like you might recognize, well, like right there, you're like, oh, that's that's like a decent tier cast of people. M eighty is a So it's this family is in this remote cabin and you figure out what's going on, which is one of the oldest son has joined a cult and so they've hired Stephendorff is a like professional cult D programmer, and he's kidnapped this guy and they're gonna try to like, you know, get the cult out of him this weekend. But then the cult shows up and the cult wants him back, and they're a satanic cult and they want to kill everybody. So a few things here.

Um the first bit of IMG. So this is directed by Kevin grew terror I think is how you say his name? Who did Saw six and Saw seven aka the Best Saw and the Worst Saw? Apparently it was directed and made in fifteen days and watching it him like, yeah, this feels this feels like a fifteen day shoot because jackals Jack Jack. Okay, that's why I couldn't find it.

I was trying to. Yeah, I was like, this is a Bruce Willis movie, not Day of the Jackal jackals h Stephen Doff. It's it's they're terrible. It's the shame watching it, I'm like this, this feels like it could be better because the cast is fine, like and most of them are very good, like different Car Hunger is going to give a good, weird performance no matter what you put her in, Like Stephen Dorff is fine. Like Jonathan Jack like has a world in his eyes in this movie, and he just doesn't get to do much because this movie is done before you know it.

There's a prologue that you realize like, oh, this movie didn't make its run time and they had to add five minutes, so they threw in this prologue and it's I don't understand it because it feels like it wasn't like you you, This isn't like a Children of the Corn Quick make it before the rights run out. I don't know why this was so rushed, because this there was a good movie, and it's just too quick and it's over before you know it, and all of the things that could have been built are just there but not developed, and it's kind of a shame. Like it's not a recommend, but it is not. I wouldn't say it's terrible. It just it's rare that you're watching a movie and you so clearly see what went wrong.

Yeah, that's it can be really frustrating too, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a funny bit in the beginning where they're like trying to watch the TV and they're like, oh, bad reception up here, And in my head, I'm like, oh, that's how they're establishing that nobody's even nobody has a cell phone. And this movie finishes and I start looking up trivia and I see seven the nineteen eighties. I'm like, wait, what this movie was seven eighties? I read that in the IMDb description and I was like, oh, that seems fun.

There is nothing like I guess in hindsight with there's a moment when they pick up the phone to make a phone call and its rotary. But like there is everything else about like nobody got the memo that was supposed to be nineteen eighty, Like nobody looks like they're in the eighties. Nobody talks like they're in the eighties. It's fine, Like I didn't need them to be I don't know, like wearing puffy pants and hairspraying themselves. But it's weird, like that's one more thing that you're like, oh, if you had to tell me that this was set them.

And then it also makes me feel ichy because I'm like, oh, are they trying to do? Like satanic? Panic is real? And I don't like that, but I might be overthinking it, so I don't know. No, no, no, I get where you're coming from.

Like, yeah, like at this point, we can't make jokes about that or not we can joke about it. We can't make movies that are purporting that was real. Yeah. Yeah, And then the last horror movie I watched was as we know, Netflix is finishing its disc program. Yeah, as a some of you might know, I am one of the seventeen people left to get discs from Netflix.

So we're at that point where it's like, oh, what's the cue, what are we watching? What's what's left on the queue? And I'm still gonna trying to find movies that are not available elsewhere. And so this movie was a Dolf Grin action horror from the early two thousands called Battle of the Damned. Oh how is that?

It's all very good. Oh that's Dolph lungern fighting zombies with rope with the help of robot. They're friendly robots, which is cute. Um, there's a little bit of weirdness because like they're in they don't say where, but they basically say like an Asian city. Um so within the cast, like it's a couple of white people and then like two Asian people even though they're in Asia, and then the only people left alive at the end are all white.

So there's like certain things that you're like, oh, can you look at that and see? But um, I don't know. It's a low budget lots of CGI. But for what it's new mag it's fine. Dolphlungren's fine.

That's a good time. There's a good action. He's always fine. He's never the problem in that's right, that's right. Uh so, then I have four other movies too that are horror adjacent and two that are not.

How about you, I've have one other that I think is horror. Yeah, it's horror. I guess, then do it? Oh? So I watched UM two thousand one's Soul Survivors two thousand one Soul Survivors, not to be confused with the wonderful nineteen eighty four Soul Survivor.

No, this is Soul Survivors. Did I see this movie, Christine? That is my question to you. Um No, I don't think I have. This is Eliza, right, Eliza dishcu Um West Bentley, Casey Affleck, and a very underutilized Luke Wilson.

Um So, I have two memories that actually have three memories of this movie. One is the poster because it was that scream style poster. Two is that thinking this was sort of like Final Destination Eye. And three I still remember the t I don't know why. I'm sure this happens to you.

Two, We're like one tiny moment from the trailer that you must have seen fifty times sticks in your head and I feel like there's a moment where Eliza Douchku is like, I'm in the mood to dance. Does that happen in this movie? There is a lot of dancing, Okay, okay, so probably a lot of it. Much like American Werewolf in Paris, A lot of it takes place in a weird pseudo goth club that isn't an abandoned building kind of popular blame. Remember the sprink blood Sprinklers, Bloodwrave.

Yeah, I mean so if that is the height and I still think it is. I think it's the height of rave slave culture and movies because this is this is not it. I don't think I liked this movie. It's one of those like American Werewolf in Paris, where you're like, does this even make sense? And I don't think it.

There's a lot of it that didn't make sense to me. Um, but Eliza Dishku and Wes Bentley are in it, so like, I don't know, you have to wait these things for yourself, and it's like it to me felt like peak faith Eliza, which is the best kind personally. Yeah. Um, I don't think it was very good, but it's of that time. It's I think two thousand and one.

Yeah, that scratches an that's a very particular hitch. Yeah. So, like I think there's some value to going back and look at these old movies that might not have been that successful. Oh yeah, because because at this point they're like twenty plus years old. That's a long time ago.

It is an end It is very telling of the era when you watch Time, and that's interesting in itself, even if the movie isn't good, you learn something culturally when you when you do that exercise. Um And speaking of I'd say a movie that was sort of interesting for a lot of reasons, even outside of the movie itself. I watched I think this was nineteen ninety five Citizen X, which is a was an HBO Made for HBO movie, and it is about a real life case that was a um serial killer and the Soviet Union, which actually spread into Russia like it was. The case went on for so long that the investigation started when it was the Soviet Union, and by the end of the investigation, when they finally caught the killer, it is now Russia.

And that is in part why they were able to catch this person was because some of the bureaucracy changed a bit. Um. This is a wildly good cast. Stephen Ray He's it's so he is the um like he's actually the what do you call it, the guy that does the bodies. He's the kind of like but but but like in a criminal way.

Okay, so the forensic investigator will say that there you go. Yeah, but then he ends up becoming like the lead detective on the case just because he kind of cares. And Donald Donald Sutherland um in like very like President Snow before President Snow Donald Sutherland, like he's got the same hair in this movie. Jeffrey de Moon is in there as the killer. It's on a spoiler.

You figure that out pretty quickly. And a baby faced Emelda Staunton who plays the wife, and I mean matt as exactly that because she is there to be the wife, which is to me, like the problem of this movie is that it there's a little bit of an issue with how they handle like females in general in the movie. But but this is good eighties. There's something about this movie that's very kind, I guess in a way where it's this horrific, absolutely horrific serial killer. And I'm not a true crime person.

I don't particularly like watching movies based on real serial killers. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And this I feel like, I'm like, well, it's you know, forty years ago, it's Russia. Like there's interesting things about it to where I didn't feel like I was being you know, too much exploitive of of these crimes. Yeah.

Yeah, And the movie is very much about like the toll it takes on somebody to investigate because Stephen Reya's character is very much a like like, it's very much established he is a good man, and he is smart and he is figuring things out, but he is just restrained by the bureaucracy above him. And Donald Sutherland is the guy above him who's like, look, we can do this, but basically you have to play the game. And it's really interesting for that because it's Donald Sutherland who you think is just kind of a yes man, but you realize what he is doing the entire movie is doing that so that he can gather information and like leverage his power and all of so it really is like an origin of President Snow.

But there is something very like the best parts of this movie is just when it's the two of them talking and understanding each other. And when you get towards the end and you kind of like Donald Sutherland starts to like learn more about oh in like the FBI doesn't let somebody stay on a case that long, Like they rotate people because of what it does to a person. And so there's something that it's handling. And it's not like you don't really see the crimes. You see aftermath of the crime.

You hear them talk about it, but it's not you're not seeing sexual assaults and things like that, and it really is handling looking at that from a different view. And the other problem with it was at the ending kind of like and I'm not spoiling, but like it feels like this is a movie about the investigators and then the ending is like, oh but now let's to spend ten minutes on what happens to the killer and like no, no, no, no, go back to Stephen Ray That's what I want to know more about. So it's it's flawed, it's it's not perfect, but it's it's a good watch. I think you would get a lot out of it. Yeah, I'm a huge Stephen Ray fan.

He's great. He's so good. I don't know the last like five or six years, I've just been like, yeah, Stephen Ray, he's writing everything. I'll watch anything he's It's It's one of those things too. It's when I was watching this movie and like ten minutes in and I had that moment of like pausing and being like, fuck, he's good.

Because there's something when you see an actor take a role that you've since seen that role played dozens of times on every crime procedural, every thriller that comes out, every lifetime movie, Like there's always like the investigator who sees or who cares, And yet so quickly I could like I was there with him. I was like, I trust this case in your hands. Like it really was remarkable how much you could see what a good performance he is giving in this movie without doing anything crazy, without doing anything big. It's just his presence right away, the way he talks to people and the way he is talking about this crime and what he is seeing. Immediately like you trust him and it's remarkable in that way.

Well, I might have to look into it. I'd be curious for you to do so. Adjacent to that, my UM one of my other Netflix discs, which very much is a would make a great double feature with Citizen Ax was Um Bong Junese Memories of Murder, which which I have not seen, but I am familiar. I had not seen it until I finally did. I said, Bong Jong Bong June Hoo, I'm sorry.

Uh, my Korean cat is mad at me from grave. So this is again Bong Junho, who did Parasite and The Host and dozens of other movies that everybody considers to be some of the greatest of modern times. Um, this is like not my kind of movie. Against this next isn't necessarily either. Um.

Memories and Murder is very much a detective crime procedural, similar things serial Killer in South Korea in the I guess late eighties, I think, Um, and it is just the investigators who don't have the same tools that we have today, and they don't have the right methods necessarily, and they are making mistakes left and right. Um. And this feels to me if I had to compare it to anything, I'd say Zodiac for a lot of reasons. Um, but it's that similar thing which is not my kind of movie. This was not necessarily made for me.

But I can't watch us and not say, but it's really good. Yeah, it's it's it's up my alley and I do when done well, this is I like shit like this. Yeah, and this is done very well. Yeah, I should probably prioritize it because you know, ever since the Host, I've been a song Kang Ho fan oh and he's in this and he's so Yeah. It's a really interesting character too, and a great performance because he's you kind of you've seen that actor and out enough things to kind of know what he's really good at.

And this movie like you think that's what you're getting and then you realize, like, but you're wrong, but you're not, Like you're lovable as a presence. Like this guy shows up on screen and you're immediately just like behind him, and yet he's doing some he's he's a he's a bad cop in a lot of ways. And that's really neat to see because it's and that that is I think what makes this movie challenging is that it's hard to ever like there's no hero, there's nobody, there's no Stephen Raya in this movie. There's an app that person that's like no, like, oh no, you know what, look at that guy. He knows what's going on.

There's a character you think is that way. There's sort of like the more educated like soul detective comes into like help with the case, and yes he's right about a lot of things, but he's not to write about everything. And it's it's that like where it's it's a movie that is almost frustrating because it is so not satisfying. But that's deliberate and it shouldn't be. UM, so it's really good.

I'm I'm absolutely recommending it. It is not the movie for me, per se like I'll probably never watch it again, but I am glad I did, and I will reference it when I compare other things to it. You're giving me some good ones. Good, so I have two more non horror and then that's it for me. Did you have anything non horror?

Or yeah, I did, I had, I had something. Uh, it happened to me. I finally watched Streets of Fire. I didn't realize you never had. I had never seen it.

Oh my Streets of Fire. That is Walter what's his name, Walter Hill, Walter Hill, thank you. More importantly, that is Rick moranis Yes it is. I liked it. I don't know that I liked it as much as some people like it, yes, same, um, but I definitely liked it.

I got it. I think there was one really fun song. Oh, I think the music is great. I don't remember at all, but um, was it not when we were young? Like there's a couple of like anthems to that movie that are pretty pretty kick ass.

Yeah, there's definitely stuff to like, but I don't know that. Maybe it was where I was at or how long I waited. It didn't. Yeah, it didn't change my life. And say, some people, I really do feel like they have like a a real big experience with it, and sadly I did not have.

I'm with you on that. I think I saw it maybe ten years ago for the first time and same because I didn't have any of that nostalgia For me, it didn't hit like I I could appreciate it. It was fun, there were a lot of things to it where you, um, it feels of its time, It's got an energy to it, But it didn't like I remember people in it, but I don't. You know, it didn't make that same imprint on me either. Yeah, yeah, which I mean again, though, I'm really glad that I finally looked at it.

Um because it felt like it was one of those glaring kind of things in our circles. Yes, yeah, like like I'm a because I like Walter Hill like yeah, so, and I like sometimes I like movies with music in them, when it's like when when it's like meant to be there, not when people out singing. So like yeah, but I'm glad I watched it, and I might revisit it at some point to see maybe with my expectations kind of in place, if I'll have a different experience with it. So on the topic of movies where people just bust out and singing, which is one of my favorite things in the world. Uh, Brandon had never seen this and I was itching to rewatch it.

So there there is a lot of common threads going on. I don't know how much of it was the Joe Anderson connection, but we talked about the Ruins, which will come back to in a couple of weeks, and Devil Conspiracy Joe Anderson is in and he is also in across the universe. I have ever actually seen this. I I can't. I don't know that you would like it.

Yeah, it's I really like it, and I had not seen it in years. Um, The other thing that I was intrigued was another podcast, I Like the Sense It prom did an episode on this and it reminded me. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, that's a movie nobody talks about anymore, like, and it's a big movie. It's a it's the Beatles musical. Like the budget for the Beatles songs it was tens of millions of dollars.

And it's a Julie Tamar movie, so it's another tens of millions of dollars because of all the shit that she's thrown at it. But I realized I hadn't seen it in a while, and I'm like, I don't know if it's good. I remember enjoying it but thinking I don't think it's good. But I'm enjoying it and rewatching it with Brandon, who've never seen it, so I had no idea. I'm like, I don't I think you'll you'll like the music, I think, But he really liked it, and he looked at me.

He's like, no, He's like, that was great. I'm like, it was great, wasn't it. Now? Story I think it's still true, Like story wise it is, there's not a lot there. Yeah, if you watch the If you remember, in the mid nineties, NBC did a mini series called The Sixties and then they seventies.

Yeah yeah, yeah, so the Sixties echent Julia styles in it. This is sort of like a big budget musical version of that in terms of the story, Like, it's not really much of a story there, but the music is great. I think Julie Taymore is a you know, complicated artist, I think in a lot of ways, But do not dare say to me that that woman does not have an eye and have a good feel for how to visualize material, because eight is really visually stunning. Some of those songs are handled really well. That was the first time I think I had ever heard I Want to hold your Hand like done slow, and I feel like, now you hear that everywhere, And that was a bit like Glee did that and everybody like fell over themselves.

I'm like, but across the university out of years earlier and they didn't really well. So there's a lot there that I think is really remarkable. Again, not a perfect package, but if you are a musical person, if you're a Beatles person, or if you are I like big, visually ambitious movies that do wild things that I think you should watch across the universe. Yeah, everybody that's not me should watch from seem Yes. And then the last of my movies, which was another Netflix disc that had been on a long wait for probably like the ten plus years that I've had Netflix.

This was Pasolini's The Decameron. So this had been on a long wait for a very long time, and now at the end of the discs, it's not on a long wait anymore. So what I've always done this was a trick that used to mean something, but and I like giving bits of advice to people, but in this case it means nothing because Netflix will die in like a week. But the trick was take on your queue and your disc queue, take all of your long waits and very long waits, and bump them to the top because several things happen one a lot of times. That just means that there aren't many discs of that movie, so you might never get it it um.

It also meant that what would happen a lot was Netflix. I don't know if they felt bad for you or what, but they would send you extra discs, so they would you get a note saying we're sorry, we could not send you. Um, your your top disc was out, so we've sent you the next one while we wait for the next one, and then you'd get two discs. So I always had all my very long weights at the top, and this was one of them. It's not anymore.

I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I should have just kept the disc at this point. At this point, yeah, um, but it's it's a Criterion release, which so is Memories of Murder. So a lot of times probably those because they I don't know how that worked.

I'm guessing Criterion at a certain point wasn't giving discs to Netflix. However that worked justin especially once they had their own screaming Um. So, this was again one of those kind of I don't know that it's a rare film to find. It might be on Canopy. Now everything is on Canopy.

Um but this, um so Pierre Pasolini the De Cameron I will ever seen of Pasolini. I've seen Salo and I've never seen anything else. So I always kind of assumed like his movies are all going to be kind of like Salo and De Cameron. Like, on one hand, is because I'm watching it like very quickly. There's like poop stuff going on.

But the weird thing is it's actually really sweet. Like there's penises, there's sacks, there's all that, but it's really kind of like positive about all the fats. That's good. Yeah, I guess again, like just my you know, knowledge of Passolini being a complicated guy, being somebody who was very in your face about sax and about violence and a lot of things. I assumed if he was adapting, you know, a thirteenth century series of stories, many of which you know ended tragically, I was going to see a lot of like awful things.

But it's much more about like the joke being on the Catholic Church. Like this is very much a movie where it's poking and poking and poking um Catholicism, and it's doing so in a very like sexy, fun, playful way where I was just shocked because I just assumed I would finish this movie and like want to take a shower, but I didn't. I thought it was kind of fun and almost sweet at times. Well that's good. Yeah, Yeah, there's poop, but only a little bit.

That's and you know what, how can you escape? I mean, everybody poops, right, and if you don't, then that's probably a problem. Yeah. Yeah, I mean maybe you have a system figured out, but like it's it's a fact of life. So yeah, that was my uh diverse list of film.

It was pretty diverse, you know when you think about it, Girl Girl in Cavin that thirteen all the way across the universe. So there. Yeah, did you have any more anything else? I watched Fast X so is that the new one? That's the new one?

Does that mean it's part ten? Yeah? Okay, because like X meaning Roman numeral ten. Yeah, I guess have you have you seen all of them? Like where you?

Yeah? I don't remember any of them, and I don't know which is which the vast majority of the time until Jack says, no, that's the one where this happens, and I'll be like, oh, that's the one where the character who we thought was dead is back in there. But then they kill him again. Right, Most of the time, it's it's usually that's the one with Luke Evans in it. No, that's the one with Charlie's has that hair.

Oh okay, it's more like the villain is the easier. That makes sense. That makes sense. That's how I remember that's the one about family, Christine oh one through ten? Then family is truly a character in these films.

I don't know if you're going to watch it. I'm never gonna watch any of these anymore. Christen is so good. Jason Momoa. Anything you've heard about Jason fluff is true.

Actually he is a He is a strong breeze of fresh air. He comes in and he says, this is absurd bullshit, let's lean into it. His character is so cartoonishly evil that it is so fun. Is there a way I can just watch him his scenes? That's a good point, because every time Vin is on screen, it's not fun anymore.

And and it's him, it's distinctly him. Everyone else is doing really cool stuff and and like because there's such like um international hits, the comedy has become very broad and and I would say, I guess uniquely American, and the way that they've boiled it down is to just really weird dad jokes and like broad puns. And I'm I don't know, I gave it a four wow, but it was it was so fun and silly. I you know, the way you just don't have that musical bone I just don't have the bone for those movies. I want it.

I never not for that franchise, I never really did. We did a couple of them. We did, We did kind of you remember, we powered through and did like the first five. Yeah, we did a lot of them, and I mean there's things like to me, I hate one. Two I enjoyed more than than like anybody else.

I don't know why. Three I admire, but I find boring. Four was terrible and very boring, and then five was really good. And I think I stopped at five because because the coincide was a Step Up. That's that's right, because we were doing it with alongside the Step Up series.

Yeah, I mean I get it. I get it. I get why you would, and I find most of them to be very forgettable and boring, except when I don't, except when there's like a cool action sequence or a particularly good villain or like a fun whatever. Um. But yeah, I get it.

Though I enjoyed. I enjoyed this one. Well, I'm glad you did, and I'm glad to hear I Jason momoasked so much potential for everything. He's a lot of fun in this. He's really out of place.

He feels like a character from a different movie. Nice. I'm fine with that. That sounds raze. It's really good, nice, very nice.

And the only other one I really have was I watched the new Transformers. Interesting because because you're a Michael Bay fan, I kind of am actually but fascinating. Well, I mean, he was at least doing something. So I watched this new one, and um, it's directed. It was directed by a gentleman of color, not a white dude.

So I was super interested see it. And I had heard decent things, or at least interesting things. It was fun. I don't think it didn't change my life. And it wasn't the best thing I've seen, but I think it might be the best Transformers movie.

What's some I haven't seen a lot of That's not true, I haven't seen all of them. But this is the most enjoyable of the ones i've seen. Um, I know, I don't know if this again, Like I want to be very clear, I am I am not. I don't have good taste. I really don't.

Um, I am not somebody that like ever is like, well, I didn't watch the those movies like never take that as as a sign of anything. Um. I mean again, like I view Fast and the Furious through the lens of step Up. Uh. I you know I have seen most of the Children in the Corn movies.

Um, I have never seen a Transformers movie. I one was on TV once for about five minutes and I watched. I was like, yep, nope, not not my thing. Um, yeah, I don't know that. I've I never felt like I missed anything by that.

Yeah. Um, I'd heard very good things about Bumblebee that made me think, like, I guess if I watched one, maybe I don't watch that. But then I thought, do any works? Yeah, you don't need to see. But it's a very sweet coming of age movie, more more akin to like an Iron Giant than like okay, but but like I get it.

Well yeah, like if there's no I don't there's nothing from me there. My husband is a Transformers fan, so I like legacy, Like sure, yeah today. So when there is something in and if I'm not opposed to it, it will get watched. So like I I've heard interesting things about this Rise of the Beast warms and I was like, okay, yeah, let's watch it as soon as like we're able to sum But Yeah, I don't. It's not.

It's not my prefer genre by any stretch, right, it's I guess it's the equivalent to Zach as the Barbie Movie will be for me. Um, So I know we're wrapping up, right. I think I'm good. Yeah, I got everything. I don't plan on seeing the Barbie Movie in the theater unless I can see it at a drive in, understood, which remains to be seen.

I've had some the couple times I've tried to go to the theater I've mentioned it here, I've had really bad experiences. Sum So I don't know that I'm jazzed about it. That being said, I cannot watch one trailer or one bit of promo for that movie without feeling like I'm going to burst into tears. I am ready to explode. Everything I've seen has made me want to just cry on the ground, and I have started to hear because the So I mean, you've I'm sure been following the Red Carpet.

Yeah, like it. It is just next level as to what Margot Robbie is doing, what America Ferrara is doing, what Ryan Gosling is doing. Like there is there are narratives being spun and there is just things happening. Then I'm like, oh, and the same. And now it is premiere, like there aren't reviews out yet, but people can start saying some things.

And so I have seen some people who have seen it be like I can't say anything, but oh my god, it's even more than you think. So I have my ticket July the tuesday after it comes out. Cool. I am so ready July twenty fifth. I have it in caps in my calendar, Barbie movie.

I'm very I can't wait to hear what you have to say. I'm very excited that you get to see it. I'm going to try. I hope you. I hope you get your chance.

I I worry sometimes about being excited for things, yeah, and having faith in something or someone, And for me, it's more of a someone. I have a lot of faith in geting GRETI Awa, yeah, like a lot. And I worry sometimes too much. But I just think back to that seeing Little Women in the theater And when I tell you, I didn't even shift in my seat the entire run, I didn't move. I was frozen, and the guy next to me started clapping at the end.

It's just I know that she can do that, and I just imagine her doing it with Barbie and it's just really cool. Yeah yeah, And also like, you know, we know that Barbie's gonna save cinema as we know it, and that's all great, but also when it does, it means that now Gregor Gerwig is gonna have like cart planch on the next thing she does. And you know, like if Greta Gerwig does a Fast and the Furious movie, I'm there understood maybe one day. Yeah, like Fast and the Furious Transformers crossover directed by Greta Gerwiggs trans Furious, Let's let's do it, right, let's do it. Yeah, Okay, we're already almost there.

They're gonna do g I, Joe and Uh and uh Transformers. So okay, one more step. We're so close, all right. Well, in reality, now that we have saved Hollywood, we will leave you. Christine.

Where can people find you? Um? The Internet? Mostly I'm still on Twitter. If you're on Blue Sky, you can find my blue Star at x Steam Underscore.

Maybe maybe I'm I'm not. I'm not hard to find. No, you're not dot com for your books and as evidenced by the people that have found me. I'm not hard to find, So what about you, Emily? Where are you?

I'm the same place. I'm at Deadly Dolls in different places and deadly dolls house dot com for my writing. And also before we go, we should throw out a shout out and book recommend But I can't recomb it in full because I haven't finished it yet. But I'm loving it so far and I have about one hundred pages left. Our Dear Friend Jason book.

I have it on my kindle. I haven't started it yet. Very nice apparently reading the Ruins as you. Yes, well, I would hope you are, Christine, But I don't know how much has been changed. But I did read early versions of this and it's extremely interesting read.

It's so good. Um, I'm so excited to finish it because I feel like I can't like, say, like everything about it until I finish it because he could bomb the ending. Who knows, he I know, Um, but I am again. I'm about probably about two thirds through, and I'm really enjoying it as a wonderful read. Listeners, you have heard Jason on our show before as a guest.

He is fantastic. We all love him dearly and he's a great writer, and he's written a really like we talked about true crime like this has a lot of true crime investigation elements, but it's also funny. It has some really weird things going on, which of course we all love. So I'll link that in the show notes. Everybody should buy it.

You can get it on your kindle or a hard copy like I did. And the nice spilled coffee on it, so I'll have to get another one. All of these things, so you should go find that everyone, Yes, yes, Okay, with that being said, everybody stay cool in the summer heat and go buy your tickets to the Barbie movie and make it beat Oppenheimer and everything else this year. Yeah, Eternal Father, let a perpetual like wash over them, really a rust in peace where every soul takes. Sometimes I feel like he's still here with it me.

Really, Yeah, there is one left behind. You've got to get out of here, girl, because I feel like this where every new love et ceta for nothing less than friends for life and one kiss. I'm gonna run for the first time. Cast we can do anything, no round. There is one that won't die.

I saw him. I'm worried about you. Cassie, Sean's not coming back. I think I'm crazy. I am not crazy.

We're getting out of here. I'm not going anywhere. I get here. There's not out. Here's here, He's Here's right there.

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