176. Fantasy Catchup Island

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I'm Emily, I'm Christine, and today we're doing a ketchup got we are, We're ganty catch We had big grand ambitions for June. We will save what that big grand ambition was because I'm sure we'll reuse it at some point. But then things happened. Red Dye forty attacked Christine and we were unable to record them. But we're back now with movies that we've watched, and in between then I watched a lot more so it's perfect me too on to catch up.

We just go over all the various things we've been watching. I have a very small amount of drama, comedy, sci fi, and documentary, and then a whole lot of horror. How about you, I probably have mostly horror with some action and thriller weirdness. I don't know. Mine's just my letterbox list, so I'll try to sort them as best I can.

Do you have a place you'd like to start, Well, I guess I would like to start by saying I watched something you suggested. Oh, okay, okay, I'm nervous. I watched Arcade. What did you think of arcaids Dreaming on Amazon Prime? It is on Amazon Prime.

It was really weird. I liked it, right, Yeah, it's so of its time. Yeah it's it's definitely weird. It's weird. But I wouldn't say don't watch it.

See I was. I was thinking a little more about this movie, and you know what, I realized, I think part of why I like it a little bit has a little bit of Nightmare four vibes, Nightmare five, even even Nightmare five, which I don't know. I agree with that, right, Like, because it's very much about teenagers and it feels like it is actually and granted, like it's now twenty almost thirty years later, so the dialogue and such has evolved and so on, but it feels like it is like these teenagers are real people, which is not the case. No, I get that. Which which one's Nightmare?

Five's when she is the dream Baby? No? Four is Dream Warriors four? No, I'm sorry. Three is Dream Warriors.

Four is the dream Master, which is myersonal favorite. Yeah. Yeah, I just watched The Freddy's Dead, so nice. I like the final night there, but I know it has detractors, like the management they're wrong and they need to rewatch it. It's it's maybe the best one, but anyways, Yeah, it's definitely got like that energy to it with like the kids and stuff.

And I mean, I think we've probably talked about it when you talked about it, but like how Albert Pune directed it, David Goyer wrote it, and Charles Band has a story credit, so I mean it's kind of all right there for you, Like, if you're interested, watch it. If that doesn't sound appealing, you should probably not enter into it. And it's all I mean, a lot of before they were famous. It's yeah, baby Seth Green, Baby Lucas from Dayser Our Lives a j. Langer, I think is yes, yes, baby A g Langer, who I just saw on Seinfeld recently.

It's it's fun. And if I think it wasn't because I don't think it was the Actually it wasn't theatrical in part because I think it was coming it would have come out of her the same time as Tron and Disney was like, oh no, we'll see you if you do this. So it was straight to video and it's not one I hear talked about, and I think a lot of people of our age or of our disposition would enjoy it. So yeah, I definitely think so if you're if you're into like that, like before we understood the Internet and like we just made up wild claims about what stuff could do. We did.

But also it has I feel like the people making that movie, whether it was Gorria's script or whether it was the direction, like feels like these people have played video games back then. Oh definitely, there was like an air of but like, yeah, legitimacy somehow it was mystical and yeah, but like it understood like the video game mentality and like the quest mentality and the bosses and all of that in a way that like I don't think a lot of adults writing screenplays at that time would have m I agree, all right, So I'll take a recommendation from you that you said to me. That is also on Amazon on Prime and it's also it is set in the eighties, even though it was not made in the eighties, and this was totally killer.

Oh yeah, did you have fun with it? I had fun with it. Yeah. I think it's too long. I don't know exactly where to shave it, but it just definitely you're watching it and you're like, yeah, this should have been zippier.

This should have been ninety minutes in and out. It's almost it's like one forty five. I think it just it feels like, yeah, this this is dragging a bit, but I really enjoyed it. It's just it's fun that has a great cast. Eight is no Final No, The Final Girls.

I think you like you go in knowing, like accepting, like, hey, it happens all the time where you have the same kind of idea for movies and they come out fairly close to each other. And The Final Girls is a far superior film. But this is a really good time. Yeah, I it was. It felt like it came out during a time where like I wasn't connecting to a lot of stuff.

This one I was like, oh, okay, no, no, this is good. I like this. See I can still like movie. It's always a good thing. What else you have?

Geez? Should I not do horror? Should I avoid? Well? I don't know.

Let's stick with horror. Let's do the big chunk of it on horror, and then we'll do the other lesser genres that we occasionally watch. Again, I got a whole bunch of horror too, So yeah, I think I do too. So I will say I did watch Late Night with the Devil, yes on shutter, which I talked about last time. What did you think of Late Night with the Devil.

I didn't like it at all at all for you, No, not even a little bit. I I view concept over execution. Yes, yes, the concept is tight, but I didn't understand any of the way they chose to use to tell the story. Like I get that, I can. I think I It has been a few weeks now, obviously since I've watched it, and so I've had a little time to think on it, and it has like lessened for me.

The farther I've gotten and I didn't love it. When I saw I kind of was like a great idea, some good things happening, but overall didn't work for me. And now that I'm further away, now that you've said that, I think that like nails it, like, yeah, they didn't make the right choices. It's just strange. And then they did that thing where it was very much like like ghost Watch, like hey, this is a TV show, but which is cool.

I like that. But then it was like, but also, here's this behind the scenes footage. It's black and white with extra exposition, and it's like, well, I don't wait, what is this? Why? How am I?

Why are you telling me the story this way? I don't get it? Mm hmm yeah. And then it also, like ghost Watch, it got a little too big for itself. I don't think ghost Watch suffers from that.

But I do get what you're saying, yes, and I do understand what it was trying to be and where it was coming from and its point of view. And maybe that frustrated me even more because like, like, I got it, I got it. I understand, but like, O wait, and they all the interstitials, like the the the studio breaks whatever they're called, the channel breaks stuff that was all AI generated. Yeah, yeah, And that was just one of those like why why would you do this? Why?

Like it like hurt me, Like I don't know. I Like, I'm not gonna pretend like I understand how to make a movie, but I do. I do assume that there's it's somebody's job. Maybe it's a producer whoever, to like get assets, to have assets? Could you could you really not pay somebody nine hundred dollars to draw you cool pictures?

You had to type it into a computer, Like I don't get that. Yeah, any I don't know, Like I mean you and I am sure we're on the same page on AI, Like I get it. There are things about AI that are going to improve certain aspects of some activities, I guess, but like never art, never making art? Why like as an independent filmmaker and obviously like this is a film it's made on a budget, but also like it has money, like it's there are other movies made on a budget where you know they are the director is also catering the movie, like and this wasn't like this had things going on where like they they could have saved to other places if they didn't want to pay a graphic designer one thousand dollars to make five different pictures like and it just it's it just goes against the spirit of an independent movie, Like what are you thinking?

That was exactly what I was feeling, Like, guys, and I don't I'm never one of those like work for uh whatever it's called. I don't know what's wrong with my brain exposure. I don't like when people do it for me for free for exposure. But my dude, there's probably half a dozen people that you could just a call out on Facebook to say, hey, doing a thing, Like anybody you want to submit art for this, You'll get a credit at the end, Like yeah, people would have run it. If that's not cool, pay people, but also don't use don't use AI to do it.

That's creatively bankrupt. Yeah, it put a shan on the movie that was very unpleasant overall. Yeah, it just I I thought it was going to be something and then come to find out, I think that AI. I'm so irritated by it because it's really representative about what the movie ended up being. Oh frustrating.

Oh yeah, so, but I'm glad I watched it. Oh good, good. What did your mom think? I think she was a little like it was fine. I don't think she felt like strongly either way, which was surprising because she was super jazzed about it too.

Ye. So I'll piggyback on that with another independent film that uh that is also will be released on shutter. But I actually saw it in the theater because we came home one day and her air conditioning wasn't working, so we said and the only thing playing at the time we wanted we were going ended up working out because it was a film I was intrigued by. This is in a violent nature. Oh, I don't hold on.

I don't know what movies are anymore, and so there literally I often don't too. I'm I'm often with you now. I feel cool. I felt very hip seeing this because I'm like, hey, I've seen a theatrically released independent horror film that very few people have. Uh.

It was I think it probably had some festival runs last year. So it was funny to go see it because I knew kind of the premise behind it. Brannon didn't, so he went in just All I said was I'm like, oh, I know it's a slasher. He was like, all right, fine, but like he but I knew like the big thing about it, which I don't think it's a spoiler, because I'm pretty sure it's something any description of this movie would include. If you don't want to hear anything about it, then like, I don't know, skip forward a few minutes.

But basically, if you had to sell this movie in a nutshell, it is a slasher from the point of view of a slasher. So it is a like typical kind of Friday of the thirteenth. You're at a camp or at a I don't know, in the woods. There is a myth about, you know, some guy that goes around killing people, and then this guy comes around killing people, except you're basically following the killer and not the victims. So you're kind of overhearing conversations, but you're not in the room with the victims.

You're kind of swaying with him as he sort of just walks down the woods. It's a bit like video game, like I guess in that regard, but it's not not like that was at hardcore h Harry, Like, it's not that it is much more like I think the inspiration behind it was more like Elephant and Jerry than than that. It's any It's a weird one to kind of figure out, like how to describe overall, Like I respect it. I think there is a lot there. I didn't overly enjoy it.

I have enjoyed thinking about it more than I've actually enjoyed watching it. Brannon didn't really like it. I think for him it just it was the same thing of like, oh, it's an interesting idea. It worked for a while, and then it made some really strong choices that I think, uh, Like there's like a couple of extremely violent, ridiculous like terror fire level of like practical effects kills and on one hand, like if you're a slasher fan coming to it for that, like you're gonna get that. Like there are a couple of sequences that are things that you're like you haven't really seen on film before.

They're silly, like it's it's a bit like wait, I don't think the body if the body even if the body does that, like why do that to the body. But there's another one that's just like a very like a scene that goes on forever and it's an act of violence, and it is it kind of annoying to watch, but I I feel like I understand kind of what the director is doing with it because it's like, but you're seeing it from the point of view of the killer, who isn't necessarily enjoying himself. It's just this is what he does and he has to keep doing it until this body is dead and so on. So it's it's tough, like I think it's if you were a somebody who like enjoys the kind of science and like just discourse behind horror films.

It's it's clearly exploring stuff and wants to make you think about it. That doesn't mean it's very enjoyable to watch. I guess you. It actually sounds really interesting. I probably will watch it, but should be on Shutter in a few weeks to months.

I think, oh cool, okay, cool. Yeah, I've recommitted to doubling down on actually watching things on Shutter. Good good good. So that is exciting, and I am writing a note right now to look for it. Yeah, it'll be a big I think when it comes to Shutter it will be a very big relief.

Like there'll be a lot of conversation about it, and I think, again, a lot of people are gonna hate it. I understand if you hate it, but there's there's something interesting there. No, yeah, that's uh. I like, you know, anything that's like a take on a slash or like a different version. I'm curious.

Oh boy, you ready for my next one? Yes? So I have a couple. I did it again. I ventured into the new movies, and the last time I did this it was extremely disappointing.

I am sad to report that it was disappointing this time as well. So do you know about that little girl ballerina movie called Abigail? Yeah? I heard good things. No, I didn't.

You know? This is the it's the same team that did Ready or Not, which you didn't like, which I did. You know what, I'm gonna say this about that. At least I'm consistent. Yeah.

Catherine Newton, So this has put me on a quest. I'm watching every Katherine Newton movie. She is a bright, shining, perfect star. She is fantastic in this. You know what I'm gonna be.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, everybody's really great in it. It's a really good cast. I knew that much. It's like if somebody asked me to pick a cast. It's like a really like oo, like Matthew Good, isn't it just for like a minute, but like, oh, everybody's in this movie, but it just I was bored or like confused.

Again. The concept fantastic. I do not understand why they chose to execute it. Fascinating. I'm very curious for I think I don't.

I think a bunch of these we rented. Yeah, this is a cur because I saw somebody else talking about this yesterday, so I looked it up to see it is. I think on iTunes like it. So it's not really available yet. I'll wait for it to hit whatever is free.

Yeah. Yeah, we're still not doing theaters, so we're we're like splurging a little bit in that regard. But like, yeah, once it's available, I know you will have to wait till maybe it shows up on Prime or something. But I'm very curious to hear your thoughts. Honestly, I'm I would even if you thought of something to pair it with, I would even talk about it.

It's just pair this with ready or not. And it's kind of like, help me understand why I'm not getting it, Like I just want to understand what's not working for me. Yeah, that is wildly interesting to me. So yeah, I would like to hear your thoughts if I click into it on letterbox. I think the majority of people I know have given it a three and a half or higher.

Everybody I know, and by saying I know, it's like people like, it's not like, oh, movie critics, it's movie people that I follow, right, people who's interests I align with or that I respect. Everybody I knew loved it, So I like, I think everybody should watch it again that past alone. And also it's like a fresh idea. It's like watch those everybody should watch that. But like for me, it was just like why guys neat?

I will piggyback on that with another new movie that no, I don't know that everybody loved, but like the like the civilian of movie critics that watch real movies watch this one, and everybody was like, this is a good this is a franch this movie is gonna revive the franchise, This is a this is a movie worth going to the theaters for. What did others see in the first omen that I did not? Oh yeah, I've actually held out on this one. Because it's the one everybody keeps saying is good. So I'm like, okay, well I want to wait for the to watch the good one.

You didn't. Oh, this really makes me now it's not terrible. It is not terrible. It feels to me like a movie that if it came out in January and I like nothing, it was out and you go to see it and you're like, that was better than I thought it might be. Okay, but that's as good as it is.

Like it the ending is so dumb and I'm not giving anything away, I won't, but the ending like definitely feels like they showed the movie to audiences and realize like, oh, oh maybe maybe we can do something. Let's let's end it differently. The ending does not make any sense whatsoever. The final line, like, I think I'm supposed to laugh at that, right. This is a question for anybody who's seen the movie, because that is the dumbest final line to a movie that I think I've ever heard.

The like the actress, the lead actress is fine, there's some good things happening. There's uh, it's a good cast. It's filmed in Italy, I believe, or probably Romania. Somewhere like it looks European, it's it's all that stuff, but like there's a lot that you could do there that they don't do, and the like again, I just I was kind of into it, then I wasn't. And then the fin the climax is again like really poorly staged where things are happening and like but people get away, but there's no way for them to get away.

But oh wait, maybe there is because you haven't given me any geography of the room I'm in, so I don't know where the exits are. It just was one of those things where I just felt so angry of like, what have you never seen a good horror movie before? Movie critics? Oh uh yeah, So since I kind of this is a newer one and I've kind of felt a little lackluster out there, maybe other people do too, and they're just looking to really keep crazy thing that made them feel something. Maybe maybe yeah, I'm not a big omen gal, like how curious?

Not really nice. It's it's kind of like what's that movie that we watched, the Amityville. When we watch Amityville, it really hit like, man, I don't like this movie and and I feel kind of the same way about the Omen again, the original OMEN amazing cast, and even the remake OMEN great cast. It's just never a story that works for me for some reason. I don't think the original film is great.

I think it is serviceable. I think it has certain memorable things about it, definitely. Yeah, But I've always agreed I have. If I am making my list of like great horror films from the seventies, it is never gonna makes never because that's the thing. Though people will talk about it or had historically like it was and it's kind of like, do you want me to bring over the thirty movies that are better than this?

Yes, Like, I don't know why it's even on lists like that. Again, Like I think part of it was the pedigree behind it, the fact that you had Gregory Peck. It won an Oscar for best or No, it didn't win, it won score, I think, and I think it was nominated for song, like I mean, and the music alone for it is something that has like lived on. Obviously. I think that movie has a has a very strong legacy, not with the actual franchise, but as a a lot of filmmakers.

I think look at some of the sequences from the Omen and have like said like, oh, yeah, this is my David Warner shot. Oh this is that. So I feel like it's one of those like touchstones that has more importance, but as an actual movie to sit down to, it's it's fine. Yes, you know, I'm still gonna watch this new this movie you wildly you might like it more than I did. Yeah.

Yeah, I have another twenty twenty four horror movie that I didn't like. Okay, it is called Taro. Oh I know of this movie, I have not seen it. When a group of friends recklessly violate the sacred rule of Taro readings, they unknowingly unleash and unspeakable evil trapped within the cursed cards. I mean, that's what happens, guys.

It's a haunted object story. And I was like, mah lukewarm it just I don't I don't know. It didn't do anything. It wasn't super interesting. There again, I really liked all the kids in it.

It feels like it's not been the cast problem with any of this. It seems like it's an overall like execution of story. But I wouldn't say don't watch this one because I'm looking at my rating, and I gave it a two and a a two, which is, to me, not a despicable score. I just don't think there was anything interesting there, but maybe somebody else would think there was, so I wouldn't ever tell somebody not to, especially because like that's an interesting subject, you know, like carro and stuff. I just think they handle it really oddly.

Hmmm. Interesting. So Matt lukewarm on that, Well, okay, I'm gonna give a positive one. Oh, and I'm gonna give a positive one for a movie that I think I am the only person in the world that liked it. When I went to read like some of the summaries on Rotten Tomatoes, there was one particular quote that was, like, the only person that would like this movie is somebody who is mentally unbalanced.

So apparently that's me, but I don't know. Now. I granted, my expectations for this movie were very, very low. It came out, I believe, during the pandemic, so it was one of those movies that sort of like, you know, exists in a weird space. Everybody hated it.

It's probably has like a two percent on Metacritic, but I knew it wasn't gonna be good. But boy, did I enjoy Fantasy Island Blomhouses Fan Islands. Fine. We just recently rewatched it. We saw it in the theater.

Nice. It's on Hulu now, and I have been waiting to see it because I was curious. I'm like, how bad can this be? People were so angry about it, So I've been waiting years for it to show up on a streaming site and it's finally there and i'd sit down. I'm like, oh boy, I'm like, this is actually really fun.

When I rewatched it, I gave it a too Oh It's it's fine. It doesn't do anything, but it's not bad. It's everybody is hot, everybody looks great. I was one of those two like summer had just started, so I'm like, oh, I want like a nice like summery movie where everybody it's all about hot people like doing terrible things happening to them, and you get that like this is clearly this is a case where like they let the cast kind of do some like improving and I think it works. In parts.

There's a fun twist that I won't reveal, but like something that comes up and you're like, oh, okay, that's a choice. I'm glad they made a choic in a movie like this. They didn't have to make a choice. It could have been obvious. It wasn't.

Are you talking about, like w who is actually the kind of driver of all of the horror? Oh so if you're talking about that, I did like that. Yeah, talking about like the origins of the island. It made my eyes want to Oh. I don't even remember any of that.

Yeah, I just remember like the big reveal the black goo. Oh yeah, there was. Yeah. I didn't pay attention to that. I don't know why they wanted to like like change the I don't know, add to the lore of the island, but like the actual happenings on the island is probably where those two stars came from.

Like all that stuff was weird enough and cool enough and intriguing enough, and then but then you're like, it's the island is magic or something. I was like confused. I don't know. I thought they did a fun twit like kind of surprise, like recalibration of who your protagonists were, like who you should be following, who's actually making the right decisions? Like it did a lot of things.

It didn't happen again. Like what I'm saying about whatever other movie like it. It made choices, it did some twists to make things more interesting when it could have been very straightforward. Hmm. Well, I'm glad you liked it.

Thank you. The were that I mentally imbalanced, whichever what it is. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that. Yeah, well you know, hey, I watched another twenty twenty four horror made like oh, so I guess this franchise just isn't for me.

So the strangest chapter one, I haven't heard anything good. It didn't. It wasn't. I don't even know if it was like a movie, because like in a movie, things kind of have to happen, and I don't really know what happens in this movie. It's very it's very the first movie, but also worse.

I don't really like the first one, But do you like the second one? Right on? The second's great? Yeah, I like. I think the first one is good for what it's doing.

I understand why. The first one is one of those movies that I think really works for people that don't watch a lot of horror movies, and I think that it works fine for that. This one is because again I haven't seen it, but like I know it's Renny Harland directing. When I understand, like it's not a remake, but like it what is it doing that is like weird? Does it fit in this?

Yeah, they didn't do anything different because I know so like Pray at Night obviously, like did change some stuff. It has a point of view too, It changed the setting. It gave us like a family and instead of you know, so much style exactly, and it very much. I know we over use vibe movie, but it really edges towards like a vibe movie as opposed to like, you know, heavy plot driving, you know, blah blah blah. But there's some good jump jumpy stuff in there too, some good reveals, some good masks coming out of the darkness stuff and and like that's really what I want in this type of movie.

But I don't know. This didn't do anything. There was nothing scary, there was no tension, there was no build up. The characters didn't do anything. The redheaded woman that was on Riverdale is stunning, beautiful, charismatic, likable.

I felt like she was a cardboard cutout in this movie. I don't like the couple was like, why would I even care about them? Like I don't even like them, And the first movie like I really didn't like Scott Speedman and Liv Tyler, like they were obnoxious, But I kind of feel like that was part of it. I yeah, I would agree to that. I think it You're where you fall with them is doing something for the movie.

It's not like, you know, just a oh, it's a final girl that I have to you know, kind of be on the same side as like, no, there's there's a story between these two characters that also affects the action and how you're watching them be stalked and everything that there was no build up, there was no in it in any of the gags. It seemed like it was the gags we had already done. So I know it's supposed to be like three movies. So unless the second movie is like a weird subversive like actually none of this happened, or now we're doing now they're getting stalked or so, I don't even know. I don't know how I'm supposed to care for two more movies.

Yeah, it's your I again, I haven't seen it, but I haven't heard anybody speak fondly of it. So don't feel like you're in your you know, don't feel like you're the You're insane for feeling that way, the way you might given Fantasy Island to higher rating. Mentally, I'll throw out a good one. This is on shutter. I love a good spider movie, and oddly enough, I don't feel like we get nearly enough good spider movies.

This is I believe the current title is Infested. I think the better title was the original title, which is Vermin. French film about spiders and an apartment building. Mm hmmm. I liked it.

It was good, Oh okay, yeah, just a bunch of young people trying to outrun a bunch of very very murderous, very very quickly reproducing spiders. It does are the spiders scary At times, they're pretty like it starts with just like a little spider, but then the spiders get bigger throughout the movie, so at times they're a little bit like sci fi channel esque. Towards the end, it is much scarier when it is just like opening a box and the spiders have there's a bunch of spiders. They have to close the box really quickly. There's but also like the characters are all like just a bunch of young people that are living in this building.

The movie does a really nice job of establishing them and their relationships to each other. And like the lead, like the whole thing is like he wants to like have a rep tri Zoo, so like he doesn't want to kill spiders. Like it's really cute and sweet. Like I like this guy and his other friend who like you know, they have history together. But like the other friend too, is like I'm not gonna step on the spider.

So for a while, like you're like, oh, like there, you know, it's like the whole right save the cat thing. But then they have to obviously kill a lot of spiders because they're evil or not evil, but like very very deadly poisonous. It's fun if you if you like a good creature feature, this is a very good one. Okay that sounds fun. Amazon, Yes, shutter shutter, Oh okay, French, I really need to get into my shuddering clear.

People keep suggesting things and like I don't like movies. What's good? And they're like, oh, all these that are on shutter, I don't know why I'm trying, So I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I just want to double down on something as my next watch.

I rewatched ghost Ship. Do you do that every week? Ghost Ship? I haven't seen ghost Ship for years, so I never saw I never watched ghost Ship. I've only ever seen the opening scene.

So that was what the famous thing about got Ship is. People will often say ghost Ship has the most amazing opening scene you've ever seen, and then it's terrible or the movie doesn't live up to an opening scene. I watched it, I don't know, maybe a decade ago with Zach and I was like, yeah, that opening scene is fantastic, but you're right, it's just not great. I will like to say, though, watching it in twenty twenty four, it's a feet of strength. That movie is amazing.

The sets I'm hi, I'm is this like Dark Sky or whatever it is? It's yeah, it's the Dark House. What was it called? The same maybe Dark Castle? Same production company as housed Haunted Hill and Thirteen Ghosts, the Thirteen Ghosts in House.

Again, these movies are underappreciation and they have aged well. I would agree this. I will say ghost Ship is now a movie that I'm going to want to reach watch regularly because it's got good sets, it's done good gags, it's got cool costumes. You're like on a boat, and there are like characters. It's so fun.

All the stuff I did, I remember not liking about it. I barely even notice. Nice, very good. If you haven't watched ghost Ship in a while, it's been twenty two years, I think it deserves or rewatched. Okay, okay, I will, I will watch it.

I will watch it past the first five minutes. Emily that opening they open that movie with hot pink script of the title ghost Ship in hot pink cursive writing, this movie is audacious, nice to start like. Okay, okay, all right, I will. I will take you up on that. I will return having seen ghost Ship.

Cool, it's fun on a ghost ship. Since we're talking about ghost Ship, I'll talk about it. Move that was kind of a ghost ship. And it's an old movie. So this is like we're saying, we're having some trouble with things made in twenty twenties, so why not go back to the nineteen seventies.

And maybe maybe the problem, Christine, it might not be. The problem could be that you're expecting things from a movie when you could just be watching a movie that had the expectation of television. On Amazon Prime, there is a nineteen seventy something made for TV movie called Satan's Triangle. Okay, sounds fun. It was a joy.

It is. What's your name? Kim Novak? Isn't it? A couple of other people that you will one hundred percent recognize?

I can't remember any of their names, but oh Ed Louder, isn't it not boss Hog but one of one of those type actors who was a big villain in Dallas or one of those shows. Oh cool, you're looking it up. Yeah, this was fun. I loved this. This is like two Coastguard pilots have to They get like a you know, a signal that there is a boat in like the Bermuda Triangle area that something's amissed.

So they fly to it and one of them lands on the boat and there's Kim Novak and everybody else on the boat's dead in weird ways, like they are hanging from the masts and floating in a room. And so she's recounting the story of what led them here, and you do such a fun like ghost story like urban legend kind of around the Campfiretail, only it's on a boat, has a fantastic ending that I won't give away. It is all of I think seventy four minutes. If even that, it's really short. You can tell where the commercial breaks come.

It looks like crap. That's the one problem is that it was made for TV and it has not been restored, so it doesn't look great like. You're better off watching it on a small screen because otherwise it's gonna get like foggy. But this was a joy, like I I recommend. I had a great time with it.

I recently rewatched Dead Calm and it really it could be a good companion with Yes, definitely. The only thing this movie was missing was a near nude Billy Zane. Well, yeah, I mean, if you have something in a movie, why am I even there? True true horror. We're in horror, all right.

I watched Wolf finally. Oh the Jack nicholsymbol. Yeah. Zach really likes werewolf movies and he often suggests them. I don't like default love werewolf movies.

I do not. Yeah, I kind of have to be a little bit more interested in it. But I finally said yes to Wolf, mostly because of Michelle Pfeiffer. Sure, I really didn't like it. It directed somebody interesting directed this, right, Mike Nichols.

I guess, yeah, that'd be a Mike Nicholson. Yeah yeah, I mean I like regarding Henry it was, and I will say it looks beautiful, especially in the I would say the first half hour forty minutes of this movie, I was like, oh, man, movie, this is your game to lose because it's filmed really well. Like there's a lot of shots that look like they could just be still photographs. They're just beautifully framed and really lovely, and like it looks very lush and talking about like older movies, this is like ninety four, I think. Yeah, so it sets and we're really outside and costumes, everything's real and tangible.

Yeah, So, like I liked all that stuff. But then once like the story was happening, I was like, this didn't have to be a wolf movie. It's really not added anyway. Yeah that's and as you know, I am not a werewolf fan. Werewolf movie has to like really do something interesting for me to go along with it.

But I was always intrigued by this one just for the pedigree of it. I guess, yeah, and I think that there is work watching if that's what you want. Okay, because like I said, it is pretty and very tangible and lush at times. And Michelle Pfeiffer is awesome. But again, Jack Nicholson's a hard cell for me too, So this is a real uphill battle.

Very interesting. I could see that. Let's see, I got a few more in horror. I'm gonna do a pair of shark movies, talking about both. Yeah, I watched one shark movie and then I watched another Shark movie.

There is one Chark movie that is making the round that a lot of people probably have been watching recently because it's on Netflix and it's one of the new originals. This is under Paris with the artist lady. I was just gonna ask you, did you was one of your shark movies? French? It is French?

Yes, because should I watch this movie? I liked it. Okay, it's not great, but it's fun. No, I'll take it. Yeah, fun is good.

Fun is good. The it's one of these movies too. We're like the I say it, it's it has a very grand it gets grand, it's it's longer than it should be. It's definitely one that I think is a little bit pasty, just because it gets to a big ending, which is pretty cool, but like it could have gotten there faster. I guess that's a little issue, but it's it's pretty fun.

Like you get a lot of people eating by sharks in different ways. As you know. The problem I have a shark movies is that almost every shark movie ends up being a character falls in the water, has to swim away from a shark. The camera is on the person swimming, the shark almost gets to them, then they get on the boat, or they don't get on the boat, and the shark eats them, and that's like all they do. So I appreciated that this movie found ways to not have every shark scene just that I like that too.

That's when you have like that really closed tight, like kind of tiny idea, Like it's often my concern that now we're gonna end up in this really predictable latheris repeat to compare it to a movie that is not a shark movie, but that I've recently talked about. It's if you've ever seen the movie Shakma, which is about the monkey that is being experimented on while a bunch of college students are doing like a role playing game. Yeah, I know that the it's it's fun, it's fine, But the problem is all that movie can do is have Shakma run at a person as they run into a room and close the door right before Shakma gets to the door. And that happens about seven times over the course of ninety minutes. And that's what Tom most shark movies are.

It's like, person's gotta swim away from the shark, and like, really, nobody's getting away from the shark, right. The sharks is much faster than any of it. I know, that's not what we're doing exactly. So in this case, we're like it's Paris, so you have closer quarters, you have different ways the sharks are kind of appearing. You don't always know how many sharks are there.

There's the whole like if you've seen the trailer or poster for it, you know at a certain point we've gotten a triathlon in there. It's fun in general, this is just a good time and like I'm somebody that comes summer. I want movies where people are swimming, and this like satisfies that itch. Uh. The other shark movie.

I wonder if you've seen it, because it's on Hulu and it stars one of your favorites. Oh, it has the dumbest title of any movie I've ever seen. The movie is called rec Queen. I do know that name. I have to look at the poster, but I think this might be the movie that we shut off immediately.

Well, do you know what rec queen means? No? Yeah, I didn't either, And I thought I was just like, oh, it is this some fancy vocabulary word. No, it just means shark in French. Yeah, I don't think I could get through the first couple.

This is the Alasia silver Alisa Silverstone one. Yeah, yeah, uh, it's Elsia Silverstone is mourning the death of or like I think it was a stillborn birth. And so she's with her husband and they're in Vietnam and they're they wake up in a storm and they're like floating in the water and there's a shark and it's them trying to get awa from the shark. It's it's not the worst shark movie I've ever seen. But and like, Alicia Silverstone is somebody like you can watch her do anything, like like she is a movie star.

Yeah, but it's not that well directed. It's not there's the suspense is just weird. The shark like at one point it's like a megaladon just out of nowhere, and that makes no sense. So it kind of a miss for me if you're if you're a shark completist, it is not terrible, but I have a hard time recommending it to anybody that just doesn't like have to watch every Shark movie ever. Yeah, I, if memory serves, it was just like you could kind of see.

I don't want to be mean and say see the budget, but like, yeah, quick, like very early, I was like, oh, I don't really feel like this is something I'm gonna appreciate, so that's why we backed out of it. Yep, you're not missing that, Chet say, yeah, yeah, I'm not like a shark movie complete ast too, either, So I get what you're saying. Unless there's like a really specific gimmick or person or location, it's just kind of like, yeah, what else are you gonna do with this? Are you gonna do something different with it? Exactly?

Yeah? Yeah, which under Paris does, to its credit, sounds fun. I might watch that one today. Curious what you think yeah, I like a good shark. I have one more hot Well, yeah, I have one more horror movie.

I'm not sure what you're I've got a few more, so I'll throw a few more out there. Yeah, all right, So one is on Hulu again. It's I like a good survivalist horror movie. This is The Ledge, which is not a good survivalist horror movie, but it's it's not terrible. It's directed by one of the guys who did The Dead.

Do you remember these movies? There was A Dead and then The Dead Two they were zombie movies filmed One was filmed in Africa and one was filmed in India. No, it came out like early, like two thousand and nine somewhere around there. Okay, no, I never saw them. But now I'm looking at the covers and I do know what you're talking about.

But relationship with yeah, I mean, I'm guessing this filmmaker is somebody that's probably like somebody who like likes to like this is a rock climbing movie. So I'm sure like this guy. I believe, like, yeah, I believe he does these things like he's that's how he films things. So this is a like these people are camping, and like, these women end up running into this group of guys, one of whom is a sociopath who ends up killing one of the women's The other woman is like just runs away, but have to run onto the mountain to get away from them. So it's her climbing this mountain to get away from these guys who are chasing her.

Uh. The lead actress is great. The lead villain. It's very funny because I'm like, where do I know this guy from. I've seen him in something.

He is the titular Christmas Prince in Netflix's Christmas Prince series. So if you have, if like you ever wanted to see the Christmas Prince as a like misogynist, rapist, evil mountain climber, like, this is the movie for you. Totally. He is so cartoon villain, like the way they write him is and granted, the movie acknowledges that he's awful, which because the movie opens and very quickly like he's saying things and you're like, oh this guy. You're like, oh no, no, no, he's supposed to be awful.

Okay, but it's kind of ridiculous. The however, the rock climbing stuff looks cool. Like again, like, this isn't great. This has a lot of problems. But if you are somebody like me who's like, oh, I shouldn't be alive is on, I'm gonna watch some these episodes and you want a like more narrative version of that, you can do worse than the ledge.

It's an interesting premise. I'm kind of into that, so yeah, yeah, yeah. And one is a recommendation from you that I finally followed up on. Ooh okay, this is on Amazon Prime. This was part of not Into the Dark, but like the Amazon Prime version of Into the Dark being like shorter budget conscious horror films.

But this was so good the manner with Barbara Hershey, ah, it was really good. It's so good. I wish it was longer. I wish it was bigger because you could tell that there could have been so much more there. But it also was very clearly done in this very kind of small stakes format.

But it was great. It was I you were right, It was all those things I love of being about older characters, of letting them interact. Everybody is great. Bruce Davison can do has never done me wrong. He has been in terrible movies.

He's always the best thing in them. In this he is great. Yeah. I just I had such a good time with us. I was very, very satisfied.

All right, I have god. I have a few more still, Okay, a few that were not so good on Amazon Prime. Again, it's summer. I like movies that feel like summer. This movie was called Final Summer, so okay.

It's a very cheap slasher that is not very good at all. I will say we talked about AI before. I don't think this movie did an't. I think it was all practical and good for it. There is a moment in this movie which they do not get the actor.

But at one point a character picks up a painting that is like a watercolor of Tom Atkins. Oh and I thought that was notable. So for nothing else, if you wanted a movie where you got to see a painted portrait of Tom Atkins, uh, that's here. It's it's not great, you know. I just I want to make sure I hit all the different fan bases and contingents out there, Like, if that's everything else, we gonna make somebody watch something.

Yeah, this is just I mean, again, a very it's trying to be kind of a nostalgic slasher like it's set in the It's set in nineteen ninety one for no good reason probably other than well, no characters have cell phones, so it's we don't have to worry about that. But other than that, like it it's way too plotty for it just being a movie about a slashers a. It has a decent twist ending, but then it like keeps going and then tries to throw like a sequel thing at you, and you're like, no, no, honey, honey, we're good, We're good. It's okay, you did your thing a much better low budget Okay. I am often a defender of the Asylum Studios, not for their mockbusters but for their like just randomly small horror original output when and again I don't know how they're how they work.

Obviously, a big title comes out and they make a pun on it and they have made their own mockbuster of it, but they also have like a good division of just occasionally, like Flight of the Living Dead, a movie that was just zombies on a plane that's very good, and this one was on Peacock. It's called Zombie Night. Uh, it's a night and they are zombies, and the zombies are trying to kill Are you ready for this cast? Oh boy? Yes?

Okay, the Partridge Families own Shirley Jones, uh, Legendary Daryl Hannah, Big Catch, Anthony Michael Hall, and Alan Ruck. What the hell is going on in this movie that they got all these people? I don't know, but they're all good in it, Like they're real actors and they're acting like this is a movie and they're doing just fine. And the zombie stuff looks decent. The story is terrible, the actual character actions makes no sense.

But if you just wanted a zombie movie and you hadn't and you've run out of them, this one's not the worst. It's tough. Making movies is tough, no, because and you're you're much more forgiving of specifically zombie stuff than I am. I think, yeah, but like not in a like, not in a bad way. We all have our things that we like, right, the things that we actually enjoy watching that we can like like, oh, I'll watch zombies and anything like, and I'm not so much them anymore, but still like a bad zombie movie for me is still going to be more interesting than a bad werewolf movie, for example, exactly, yeah, yeah, that's a really good cast though that yeah, might be.

That's what gets me through these days. If I'm really on the set, there's like two or three people where I'm like, all right, this is exciting. I'll go for it. I get it. Yeah, all right, I have I think two three, all right, three more horrors.

One is also an Amazon Prime. It's called The Alpines. Eighty is not good. This is I don't even know how to describe it. It is probably better better advertised as a drama than horror, but it's either way, it's just not good.

A bunch of like clearly made by young people that want to make a movie and have ideas. It's like a bunch of former college friends who are all awful human beings get together and then like something's going on, like somebody is trying to kill them they think or not, and then maybe they kill each other. I don't know. It's miserable. It's one of those movies that I will mention it because I don't want somebody being missold as like, oh, this was a fun slasher.

No it's not. But then one new thing on Shutter that I just watch yesterday from the directors who sound like fun people to be around, the directors of the Lodge and good night, mommy. We've got the Devil's Bath just somehow even more depressing than those places. Have you heard anything about this? It's on show.

No, I'm really out of the loop. It's seventeen hundred's Germany or Austria, I think, and kind of akin to you, I guess, like if you saw Hagazusa, kind of feels close to that. A little bit of the bitch. It's you know, period horror, but not really horror. A woman who gets married, and it's kind of basically dealing with depression is a better way of putting it.

Only the world at that time was horrible and its own horror movie just to live in it. So it's very I often think of like our friend Jason Fozzy when I watch these movies, because I just think of how I know he'd watch this and just be like, you're so fucking dirty? Why can't they just take showers? But I like that kind of stuff, So it's very like attention to period detail is there, it's very slow. It's not even if you like, did you you well?

We talked about good Night Mommy, And you've definitely seen The Lodge, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, where do you fall on that filmmaking team based on those two movies? Great, but I don't know if it's for me specifically, Like that is to say, when like when I saw like something like The Bobba Duke, I was like, Oh, this speaks to me on like a deep level. But like I watched The Lodge and I was like, Ah, that movie's really great. It's just like a different relationships with it. I don't need every movie to feel like it's knocking at the door saying it's for me, right, Like, definitely, I haven't felt like a deep emotional connection of those other movies, even though they are very like emotionally resonant and like raw and like hard I guess yep, but they just don't hit me that way.

So you know, it's interesting because I think that I could see this doing the same thing because I think they have a certain kind of like opaqueeness with their characters that is deliberately not in like they're not sketching out characters in a way that you are going to fall and immediately like see yourself in them or feel for them. I think this one does that too, where it is very like there is a distance, I hope between you and this poor woman. Yeah, it's it's a hard it's it's I wouldn't say it's harbine record. I I enjoyed the process of watching it. Many will absolutely hate it and give up ten minutes in.

That is It is totally a matter of taste and what you want out of a movie like this. I liked the final scene is pretty like kind of got me like I was. I was like, oh okay, cool, that's that's a fun way to end this movie. But that's about me. It's probably not a good thing.

But hey man, we all need that type of stuff. Courages things completely. Yeah, all right, you had one more, right, and then I have one more horror I do. This is another super new one. It might just be available this weekend.

It's forgive me because I don't actually know her name, but it's m Night Shyamalan's daughter. Okay. The watchers, yes, tell me, liked it, didn't love it. Liked it more than Zach, which says something so I did find something here and that was interesting, whereas he didn't. So pieced out because it's not great, like in a lot of ways, like if someone had a problem with it or if you didn't like it, I would totally get it because I too had problems with certain aspects of But it did some cool enough shit that I was like, this isn't fat, it's not bad.

It was. I thought it was filmed really well. It looked really cool, and it was. I don't know how much you know about it. I don't know much.

I've heard a few not overly enthusiastic reviews of it, but I forgot the premise because at one point I knew it. But no way, I've forgotten. So I guess when you were talking when I was like, oh, Emily, really like, will like give something a zombie thing a lot of credit? Yes, or a lot more leeway. So this is very folk horror woods okay kind of stuff, and that that's the ship I will give big passes to.

Oh you did something mildly interesting. Oh you did something I've never seen before. Oh great, I love your movie. Yes. Oh and you did it in the woods.

Okay, Yeah, I'm there for sure. So it does woods shit really well. Its eerie, spooky, like around trees and like noises and like what Is in the Woods. And I don't know if you've seen that television show from I have not, because I refuse to engage with MGM plus or whatever the until that, until that goes away and it just becomes Amazon or Peacock or whatever is gonna buy it, just like whatever is gonna buy Paramount, then I will not out of my own naughtiness. No, it's extremely fair.

I'm not a fan of that whole deal. But I have watched the first two seasons, and my mom has two and she really likes it. It's it's very much that if you've seen then you're into it, you might want to give this movie a shot because it feels like it's almost like the same universe, which is a weird thing to say. I don't know. I liked it though.

It was fine, cool, very cool. Uh, the last in the horror category that I've seen. I got to see in the theaters. Okay, this was exciting because it was supposed to be a director and actor appearance and talk back after. But then the director sadly was sick that day so it could not go.

WI was devastating because that nant I did not get to see Jane Shrunburn in person glow. I saw the TV glow and I did get to see Bridget Lundy Paine after do a talkback, and my god, they are cool. Okay, I'm I'm definitely going to watch it. I've been saving it. But so I loved it it.

And again, like and I know I probably said similar things with We're all going to the World's Fair. Uh, these are just I mean, this is made like it feels like you are watching something so new by a voice that is like you have not heard or seen before. And granted, like I saw this innathy, I saw it jacob Burn Center, which is like this really nice art house theater. So it was a packed house of a variety of people. Like they were like teenagers sitting next to me and like a family sitting to the other side of me.

Everybody was like fully invested in this movie and it was one that like I am glad I got to see in the theater because it is something that is doing so many things that really like being in that dark room with other people sort of gasping or laughing or reacting like really didn't help, I think. But and again, this movie does not speak to my my experience, but it gives a window into an experience that I think is a really fascinating way to do it. If you obviously, if I you know, have a have a deep relationship with Buffy the Vampires Layer. Uh, that is something that you will just immediately like snap when you when you see things. Uh.

There is a lot of David Lynchy and Twin peaksness going on that is also like oh, oh, I see what you're doing there. I see what you're doing there. It is just doing so much and I loved it. I felt different ways at the end, like there's a lot going on in the ending that I think people can take one way or a different way. It is just something that I think every film person should see.

I've just kind of bowled over by it. Yay, I can't wait to watch. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about it when you do. Yay. Yeah, it'll be soon.

I just need to find a trying to sit down and maybe not have it be a full sunlight. Yeah. This is a good in a dark room with the sound up with no distractions, and it's not even like I don't I think World's Fair in some ways was probably even more of that, because World's Fair is very much like very one person, kind of like that you're bleeding into. This is a little bit bigger in that way. But I think too just it deserves that, and I think it will really benefit from it.

Oh I can't wait. Yeah, all right, I got it. So we got other genres. Do you need to take a break before we dive in? Yeah, let's take a little break water.

All right, we're gonna come back and talk about the categories that most people watch. We're back and we're freshed, So tell me what category would you like to talk about. I think I really only have thrillers. Okay, maybe maybe action thrillers, but like Jill, that's that classification. I would say, well that's fine, give me your first thriller.

Okay, So I don't remember where I watched this, but I'm very sorry. You're gonna need to find it everyone. It is a movie from two thousand and one starring Angie Everheart and Richard Grico, and it is called Sexual Predator. Oh my god, this sounds amazing. God.

I had such a crush on Richardo back in the day. Oh he's a scumbag in this, So Okay, a female parole officer unwittingly gets involved with a handsome photographer who might be a serial killer. Yes to all of that. At the end of it, I exclaimed, oh my god, Angie Everheart is the real section. Oh spoiler alert, but like not really, It's just it's so good.

It's it's very much like a exploitation style movie in the sense that, like, the lady is allowed to have agency. Okay, okay, I like it. I gave it four and a half stars. I might have been like in a mood, but I definitely really enjoy It does not seem to be streaming anywhere, but oh my gosh, I have Just as I scrolled onst watch, it's giving a screenshot of the trailer. That's so.

It's Richard Grico with hair that is currently longer than mine. I am I will find this because I have to. It's I thought it was so so wild, but yeah, Erotic Thrillers is kind of where I'm at at this point in my life. It is a very steamy cover too, like credible, like it's got like the like Janet Jackson, Wait, what is that is that a snake? Like it's it's the like him, like she is nude almost his hand is covering one breast.

What is covering her other breast is that her hair? He likes to strangle ladies. Okay, Okay, it's a very like but it's like fuzzy, like right in the perfect spot. Ok yeah. And because he's a photographer, it has like light eyes of Laura Mars feelings like so it's it's sleazy, but like I don't know, it's it's interesting.

Okay, Okay, yes, I will hunt this down because I need to clearly, I guess. I guess I have thrillers. I put them in sci fi, but they're all kind of the same thing. One was on Hulu and only I think I watched it because it was going off Hulu, which is the best way to make me ever watch anything on any streaming site. And this was one that had been on my list forever because it sounded intriguing.

This is the Europa Report. Oh yeah, I think I might have even seen that. It feels like a Christine movie because it's got space stuff and like floating into stuff, which I know is something that deeply disturbs you. Yeah, this is good. It's you know, a mission to like Jupiter's moons to do something very important for humanity.

Oh. I think it's just like because they think they've found life there and so it's found footage, but like in a clean professional way, and it's all the astronauts, like who didn't come home and here's what might have happened to them. It's it's good, it's not. It probably was a hard movie to categorize because it is definitely science fiction and it gets scary, but it is never really intended to be a horror movie. I don't think so.

It kind of is an odd place to figure out where it goes. But it is good and if you're looking for a kind of dark science fiction, this is a good choice there. Yeah, I maybe have only seen the trailer, so I'm re adding it to the list. It's definitely familiar, but I'm not remembering some of those plat points. All right, Oh right, I have one.

It's a thriller, yeah, from nineteen ninety one Good Year, Matt Dylan and Sean Young a kiss before dying. I so I have never seen this. I remember this showing up and I used to read the TV Guide every week to read the reviews of the movies and try to memorize the star ratings, and I always remember this one showing up. I think it was a two star. It's it's not bad.

It's based on an Ira eleven book. Uh, okay, interesting. The book is very very good, and obviously, as books are, it's a much more decompressed, so there's like a lot more intrigue and mystery and deception and and like building of this stuff. And I personally felt like it suffered because we were in a movie runtime format and it felt like I was missing some of that. Okay, but that just could be because I'm like, I have something to compare it.

You've read the book, Yeah, so I but like I did enjoy it. And man, oh Man Sean Young really good, a very good actress and screen presence. Who was I think a lot happened. I don't know the woman, so I don't know how much was is according to whom, but it seems like she definitely was somebody who suffered from the sort of difficult woman quote unquote. Whether they were rumors or not, you know, the industry did not like her.

Uh and that who knows, like she may have been terrible. These worked. I mean she's still alive, she's still working. But I know there's a lot a lot said on both sides, but it does seem like somebody whose career should probably have been bigger. Yeah, I guess I'd never So we watched that movie, and then like a couple nights later, we watched Fatal Instinct, which is like the Carl reinerod oh yes, yes, I remember when this came out.

She's in that. She's hilarious in that too. It's also this that's a very funny movie. And I really really enjoyed it, so like, yeah, I was like, Sean Young, Wow, it's taken me how long to be like, huh, very talented. That's a shame.

So those are my two Sean suggestions. I don't have a Sean y Young suggestion, but I do have a Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio suggestion. I feel like they probably were up for some of the same roles at different times. And it's really funny because it's a movie I was trying to figure out like where it goes. I'm like, I guess this could be horror, but no, it's not really horror because in my brain, thriller is not a category of film.

Like, yeah, you're right, well just know and it's in my own like because I hate when horror movies are put into the category of thriller because it's their way of like not being horror being But so I just forget the thriller is a thing that many movies are. But I guess this Abyss best goes there because I had it under sci fi but it's all the same. I had never seen it. It is a very well known movie. If this is the Abyss James Cameron, Oh, I still haven't seen it, and Zach's been trying to get me too, because there's like, I think a four K Like yep, there is, I think like a very big with I think like probably hours worth of additional footage.

I've never actually seen it. So you and space, me and space, guess what, me and water same way. So this kind of feels terrifying to me. I think if you are somebody who gets pressure from water movies, absolutely because they are like in a submarine and then they have to go even deeper and like there are definitely scenes of hold, not holding your breath, but of like how long wait, how many hours of what do we have? Like wait?

Is that a crack in their mask, that kind of thing. Uh so scary. Yeah, it's all there. Uh this it's it's fascinating because this you watching this knowing the trajectory of James cameron career, James Cameron's career, like you could see so many of the seeds of Titanic of you know, him obviously working in water in every which way and like understanding You're like, oh, I bet like he is developed. And I don't think we've had a good conversation about James Cameron after where I feel like movie, a lot of movie people like it is weird to say James Cameron is under rated because the man has oscars, the man is a bajillionaireror.

No, but yet, I how many times are you in a room or on a you know, on a web page with other like genre movie people who just want to bash Avatar and bash James Cameron. Because of Titanic and Avatar, James Cameron has kind of moved position into like a mainstream Yeah I wouldn't say sellout, but like like a hit maker, yeah, maker, which doesn't immediately make you not a genre filmmaker, right. John Carpenter could have easily had a similar career if he had just started making different things at a certain point, like if he had just pivoted or changed, like even some mechas, you could make this argument with, well, he is making genre pictures and now he makes weird polar Express style stuff, but that doesn't change the fact that he was making genre pictures.

Yes, yes, and it's it's so weird to me because the and I didn't say the last Avatar, the first Avatar I thought was like, again, was it the way people were so angry at other people liking that movie? To me is just ridiculous, Like the movie connected to people? Did I like that? That was fine, but there are there are worlds of people that were absolutely obsessed with it, and visually he did things that nobody's ever done. He Titanic was such I mean I back in the when Titanic was coming out, I used to read the National Inquirer quite a lot.

This is what all the teenagers did, obviously, and I just a week after week after week the stories of it and like, how this is going to be such a bomb and all this and like and people still wish it was a bomb. And I don't get it because it like look is it. It's not the best movie. I'm not saying that, but like the fact the way he was able to connect to audiences. I don't care if you like it or not when people say it's garbage, but what are you saying about the millions of people that didn't think of that was that way?

But all that aside, like the man can make fucking movies and the Abyss is such a like man, like this was probably apparently hell to shoot. You could tell everybody was going crazy. You could see this was an expensive fucking movie. But it's all on screen like it is not structurally like it's one of those things where you're like, boy, he really needed a screenwriter. He needed somebody to tighten things up and move things around and make it flow better because it doesn't all add up.

Does the story itself, the details of it don't like the movie your villain is done and you still have an hour of movie left, Like there's definitely like decisions at a structural point that were not made well. But by god, is this a feat of filmmaking? Yeah, I definitely need to watch it, like really actually sit down and watch it, because it's one of those movies you can easily. Like I've read about I know about like you feel like like I got the gist, but I definitely know it's gonna it's gonna hit water, so scary, and it's it's heavy, heavy duty water. Yeah, be prepared.

Uh yeah, I have one more thriller. And then I realized there's a lot more action. Okay, we can, we can however we want to. But so the only reason I even wanted to talk about this is because I think it's a very strange movie. So it is the movie D Talks, but it's also called I See You, and it's the Sylvester Stallone slasher.

Huh okay, the wig. There's so many things going on there. D talks like it the letter D t o X. Oh oh well, then shit to be fancy about it. Oh wait a minute, I'm I'm sorry.

You said I see you as if it's a normal thing. You say, right, I see you over there, standing there right with my eyeball. No, no, no, no, Christine, this is I see you as in the thing that is in my face and I have two of them. Yeah, you should have pronounced it differently, But it's the director of I know what you did last summer. Oh okay, so I was like, enjoy Ride.

I truly feel like I have seen this movie, like like honestly, like twenty years ago. Maybe, like I really feel like I've seen it. I don't. I didn't remember a single thing about it. Wow.

Wowie wow wow wow. This movie is so boring. Oh no, you would think. I thought, you know, like when I'm like, you know what's really good ghost Ship? I was hoping that I would have this, like, you know, what's a really wild slasher from the director of I Know What you did, like starring Sylvester Stallone.

And then it was boring. So I this wasn't really a gutcha like I hoped it would be. This cast, My god, this is great. Charles S. Dutton, Chris Christopherson, Tom Behringer even laying Jeffrey Wright and one of my oh my god, Robert Patrick, Sean Predrick Flannery, Dana fucking Meyer, Corney Advance, and most excitedly to me and anybody that watched the TV series Rome Polly Walker.

You can't tell me this wasn't good. Really, that cast, it's not I can't say that good. So maybe it got it got lost in editing it was. It was just very boy and there was no forward momentum. I never felt like highs and lows.

You know, it was hard to focus on. Yeah, I believe you. I just I cannot remember the last time I saw a cast quite like. We're like, I'm almost gonna go to page two of the cast. Else is there?

When we were looking at it the interface we have it's kind of like a scroll over, and I was like, so when am I going to stop recognizing people? When's the first name gonna come up without the picture? I don't know who this is? So, yeah, it's it's so it was a yeah bummer, it's on Prime. Yeah, I think that's I watch that is it?

Watch it? Watch it. You'll not have to because it's also snow, which is cool. Yeah, it's it's not even Slive's fault. I don't think it's him.

I just think it's like and I don't even think it's the story. I don't know it's here. Yeah, that is a lot of things going on, and I am it's almost too intriguing for me not to watch this. Yeah, damn it, it's gonna be bad, and I know it all right. Might find something you like yeah.

Maybe. All right. I have two that might qualify as like sci fi action thriller or so on so on. One is just a rewatch because like, so you know this, some people that know me know this is that I had a big life event this week. We purchased a home.

So we had our closing. It was very like it was not It was like stressful but not like you kind of had a sense of calm after and to like we come home and it's the afternoon and I'm like, ah, all right, what do I do now? I'm watched The Running Man. Oh yeah, and I watch running it because when like and I realized, like we all have different ways of like we don't know we're stressed, but we like have tells. And like for me, it's like whenever I want to put on The Running maner Twittal recall, that's a tell for me of like you just need something to remind you of who you are.

I love this movie. I'm watching this movie and like you know, I've seen it many times. I know everything. I know the beats, I know the things, I know all of it. But the thing that this time, and this is not the first time, it stood out to me.

I paused and look at my husband. I'm like, you know, motherfucking Maria un Cheetah Alonso in this movie is the greatest female character, female sidekick in an action movie of all time. She's so fucking bad ass. She puts her hair back, she's so funny. She does the right thing right, Like, she's kidnapped by this killer, so she like alerts the authorities in a very very careful, like smart way, and then realize is like, and there's no reason for her to do any investigation.

She should stop right there. If she cared about her own self, then she would and just like go by my day and assume realize that the government's lying to me. But whatever, I have a nice apartment. I'm just gonna keep going. But no, she's like, he he, he didn't do that.

I think they're lying. I'm gonna investigate, and then ends up, you know, having to fight for her life and becomes a revolutionary in the process. O god, my god, just just icon right there. You know what's a surprisingly good double feature. They Live and Running.

Yes, totally. Yeah. I didn't do them in the same day. I did him like one and then the one the next day, and I was like, huh, I had a really good job. These movies are talking to each other in different ways.

Yeah, I like it totally. Also, I think to your point about her character and Running Man, I think what's funny and they Live is essentially Meg Foster plays the opposite. Yes, yes, yea, And that really to me. The last time I watched it, I was like, huh, because it really underscores just how what happens in Running Man is so like inspiring and that there's actually like like moral decisions being made by characters. Yeah, yep, yep, yep, love it, Love it all right.

I have another sci fi action thrill or drama, whatever you want to put it, wherever you want to put it, so eighties, I believe on Netflix now. Everybody kind of talked about it a couple of weeks ago because they finally came there after people being very excited for it. As you know, I am not a big kaiju person. Okay, It's a genre I want to love, but yet the scale is always both too big and too small. The monsters are too big and I just can't care, and the people are never interesting.

But I have to juggle between the two, and I just never find them compelling, So everybody was very excited about dul minus one. I was like, yeah, watch it. I've heard great things, and I will say this is great. It is a great movie. For me, it would be better if there was actually no Godzilla in the movie at all.

The Godzilla stuff to me not that interesting. The human stuff amazing. You were there for the human story. I was there for the human story, and I would stay for the human story. Fantastic cast, great, Like again, it is a it's a it's a time period that we as like Westerners, don't get much insight into of postwar Japan.

There is so much to say there and explore there and all of that. If it was just Godzilla's feet the entire time, I would have been happy. And I still like, I'm this movie. I'm satisfied. This was a great movie.

I Am not just barging it in any way. I just still think, like thinking this was the movie that was gonna like change the way I feel about Godzilla was still like, yeah, Godzilla was the least interesting thing on screen for me. It's definitely shuffled in for us to watch. But Zach is similar. So when neither one of us is really pushing the agenda.

It's kind of just sits there. We also made again the deep mistake to watch the Godzilla King Kong. Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I know a lot of people thought it was fun, and I really think seeing it in the theater probably impacted this one because I just kind of found it. Yeah, but I guess if maybe that big lizard was running across the screen with all its neon lights while my chair was shaking, I would you might have felt something different. Yeah, yeah, kind of, So like I think I will try this Godzilla minus one I believe is the name of it, ye, simply because everyone says such wonderful things about it.

I think if you approach it as not a Godzilla movie, but as a drama about post war society Japan, it's great for that. And it really, like I did, I cried, like I was fully invested all of that stuff and those relationships and those conversations. It is fascinating and I think what it kind of even does with like I you know, I am not overly versed in Kama Kazie and such, but I know there is a lot of discussion around it that I've watched some documentaries on and everything, and this is addressing that and kind of what the sentiment was on in every which side. It is a beautiful movie for the humans. The Godzilla stuff is just Gudzilla stuff.

I and I look. I was happy for it to win an Oscar for Best Effects. It is a far better movie than the Creator. But honestly, if I was voting for effects, Creator's effects will actually look better. Like I it's it is.

It's just my my being honest of this is a wonderful movie about human beings. That might be enough for me. So you know, definitely, Okay, I'll still go for it. Awesome more on whatever category we're in. Now action my action, Yeah me, yeah, yes you okay, So again, very in a very weird place, I watched Sudden Death, the vandamn movie I've seen he has to stop?

Oh ho one she and this one? No? Okay? Powers, Well that's always good. Is he the villain?

No? He's no? Is he maybe? What is this movie a couple? No?

No, maybe he is. I watched another Powers Booth movie where he was the good guy. So I think I might be getting confused. If you if you're familiar with the office, and if you're familiar with the thing in the office called Threat Level Midnight. It's the fame Nice Michael makes it?

Really is this movie like he has sold for me a bomb from going off at a hockey game. Nice, It's I don't know, it's really cool. You enjoyed it. I mean, sure, it's a Dan Damn movie where he has to stop a hockey game from blowing up. I mean, let's go, let's do this.

It's a high. There's ice. This is a the director. It's Peter Hyams who did a lot of stuff you did End of Days and the relics. Oh, stay tuned, which I love.

Stay tuned. It's it is what it is. It's literally that, but like it's a good version of that. Like if you want a kicky action movie with like wild steaks and only one man can do something about it, then like here you go. Nice, I mean that sounds like what I want from an eighties action movie.

Me too. It really was satisfying. Like Time Cop. Time Cop is fun. Oh, Time Coops.

Zach wants to rewatch Time Pop. It's such a good time. Okay, maybe I'll let maybe I'll use this as my Okay, why Time Cop? But then you have to follow it up with Gangland. But I have to find Gangland for you because it's not the Gangland you're thinking.

There's like a good movie called Gangland. This is not a good movie, but it's amazing great two thousand and one Coast. It's Mandalore iced tea, ice cu ice Cube, No just iced Tea? Is this the one I'm thinking of? Yeah, this movie will change your life.

It is not currently available for streaming. Damn it. I need to buy this movie. Oh man, Sorry that was a diversion, but it got me very excited thinking about Gangland. Yeah.

So sudden Sudden Desk, Sudden Death, Man Sudden Death. But I'm gonna say real real quick. The other Powers Booth movie is Rapid Fire, which is a Brandon Lee movie. And Brandon Lee is really sweet and adorable and I've been trying to watch more of the movies he actually had to be in. This was not as good as Showdown in Little Tokyo, but it was good.

Empower's Booth is great in it. So it really Powers Booth. I mean, how when do you ever not like Powers Booth. He's he's really good too. Him and Sean Young.

It's like I had a like an awakening this last month. I was like, huh, you know who's good in that move? I feel like worked a lot because he would. He's rarely the lead in movies. He's almost always like the main villain or just like the the detective that you go to for that one, you know, to talk about that case from years ago.

So he works worked a lot more than a lot of other men of his type of actor. He's just in these support roles. Yeah, it's really interesting, but like a lot of fun, nice fairness. I do not have any more action sci fi thrillers. What else do you have in that front?

I can, I can wrap up relatively, keep going, keep going, I will, I will say I in my in my effort to watch everything that Catherine Newton does. We watched the ant Man movie that she's in. Oh yeah, how's that Quantum Man? The second one? I guess, so sure.

I don't know how I think it's the second ant Man or is it? I don't Maybe I don't know it was it was. This is the one that people like had a problem with because this is the one that did really bad in the theaters and like it didn't look good, like oh, This was the one that came really shortly after End Game, I guess, or whatever the other big Marvel released. It was after Black Panther. That was it.

Black Panther two meant the poor people that are being like chained to computers at Marvel Studios didn't finish the effects on ant Man and they released it or something to that effect. Yeah, this is the third ant Man. It was bad, like really bad. I don't watch these movies anymore because a long time ago I realized they weren't for me and they'm not giving me anything. But Catherine Newton again, she's adorable and sweet in it, not in it nearly enough.

It's I don't even know. It really didn't feel like real people worked on it. It was just this hollow, weird shell of like meats that you're supposed to hit and jokes that didn't land, and it's it's it's sad over there. Yeah, a shame. That's well, it's it.

I want new movies. I want fresher movies. And it seemed briefly like that's what was gonna happen from the lessons we learned, But now the only things making money in theaters are sequels. So who knows what's happening. It's it's a strange time out there.

Yes, indeed, And I actually only have one other thing that I wanted to talk about. I so I watched all twelve movies in the h the Andy Sedaris, Bullets, Bombs and Babes series. Wow, I only have one thing of twelve movies, and I'm not going to talk about each each one individually. I will just say that one. If you need someone to talk about any Sedaris on your podcast, I will do that because I am now absolute pro nice.

It's also wild how much these vary in quality. My letterboxed most watch actors for I mean for pretty much ever are now really weird and fucked up because I watch movies. They are like the same actors in like ten of these. Like it's the repetition of actors is really satisfying. Yeah, good times, good times all around.

Nice nice. I can't beat that here. I am going to be like I watched The Iron Claw. It was really sad. That's still good.

Yeah, it's good. It's very as depressing as you think it's gonna be, is it really? So? The amazing thing is like, because I am married to a man who knows an awful lot about wrestling. I already knew a good deal of it.

And but even the stuff I like is out in the movie. I'm like, wasn't there. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, No, it's even worse in real life because there is like the movie like basically cuts out one brother, which I every I think everybody is known. But it's like, oh why oh, because it's essentially like one more brother who like the same story happens to him too, Like the details of what happened to like the child that dies early on in the film are horrifying. The first brother to die, like the year before his daughter has died.

Like it's there's like in real life, it's just even even darker as a movie. It's I mean, we both uh, I mean to say, enjoyed it. It's like a weird thing. I was expecting it to be a little weirder, just because it was Sean Durkin, who I'm used to, like, I don't know, being going like less linear and such. It does feel like it, you know, came at this material with reverence of under like having a very clear story I wanted to tell, which is this story of like these brothers who loved each other and just all the tragedy that surrounded them for both reasons of their making and societies making and everything else.

It's very good. Everybody is great in it. If you know, if you were on the fence of it, and if you have an interest in the material, then like it's a very good movie. But yes, it is incredibly depressing because that story is so depressing. It can't be me.

I had I have a drama, and then I have a couple of documentaries all through out there because they're kind of interesting. One so my my pick of the month has been Canopy. I love Canopy. It's the best I had forgotten about cannot that I'd forgotten, but like I just I don't think about it. There's a lot of other streamers.

Yes, sometimes things can I I had, I had done the same. I'm trying to get back into it. The other thing with Canopy too is that we realized things don't and if you use just watch, which is what we use to figure out if a where a movie is streaming, please people tell me if there's a better one, because just watch seems to always forget about Canopy. We were watching His Girl Friday on Amazon Prime because Brannon had never seen it. And we're watching it and I notice, I'm like, ah, the picture quality is awful, and like it kept doing this weird like audio thing where like you hear like almost like a skip on a CD a little bit, and so we stopped it at one point for Brannon like to clean and as I did, I'm like, I think this might be on.

And I pulled up in Canopy and it's crisp and it's beautiful and snappy, and I'm like, ah, here we go. And then while I was there, I was like, what else is like Canopy? Oh my god, Everything everything is like Canopy. People just yeah, if you have a library card, check to see if you have Canopy, because it is. It's such a great selection of things.

So again we I rewatched His Girl Friday. It is glorious. It is an area of cinema that I am not well versed in that, you know, kind of fast talking thirties forties romance, and I don't think all of them are are this good. His Girl Friday is a masterpiece. And it is so funny and so sexy within its like within what it's doing, and I just love it so much, and I was glad.

I brandn't liked it, but the other things I watched on Canopy the I don't know if you had heard of this when it came out, because it came out during COVID or at the end of COVID. I think it was like a straight to streaming release. But it was a weird cell of a movie. This is the movie is called The Humans. Oh No, Beanie Feldstein, Richard Jenkins, Stephen Yune.

It's such a good gast. June Squib is in this, Namy Schumer and then a fantastic theater actress who plays Bunny on only Members in the building and I can't think of her name, but she is always Yeah this, I would be really curious for you to watch this. It is a just it was a play. It was a and it did well on Broadway. I think it won the Tony mightn't even won the Pulitzer.

And the problem is this movie was sort of sold as a like thriller, so I went into it thinking I was getting kind of like Bug in a way. I could see that way. And if you I'm sure I didn't watch the trailer, but I'm sure the trailer is like haunting and there are things outside and it's claustrophobic, and something is building and building and building. This is just very much a family drama, but it it's really good and it I have been thinking about it since I've watched it. It's a family.

Beanie Feldstein and Stephen Youn are like a new couple and like she they have moved into this like Chinatown apartment, which if you you know people in Manhattan that live that move into these apartments that you're like, to a New Yorker, this is glorious, but to somebody from the suburbs, they come to visit you and they're like, what is this rat hole you're living in? And it's just like Thanksgiving there and everybody in the family. Like I'm miss selling it by saying like, oh, everybody has secrets and all that, Like, no, it's not that kind of movie. It's just more like everybody has shit going on, and it's very It's one of those things where like the conversations build and like very quickly you understand all of the like long steaming conflicts between this character and that character and this character and that one, and like, oh, this one was on weight Watchers and she pokes at it and she has a chronic illness and everybody doesn't really understand it.

And it's just that kind of thing and it's super uncomfortable because it is not pleasant, but everybody is really good and it is it. It is not a it's the director's first film, so you he did. I don't think he quite translates theater to film in a like really great way, but it's it's good, and I don't know, like it's you have to kind of go in sort of not knowing what you're getting, but also understanding like you're not getting a horror movie. You are getting a drama that's gonna really unsettle you, and you're gonna be kind of it's gonna kind of fester in you. So if you're feeling that, you know, no totally, because I'll often say like, oh, I'm not into like just straight dramas.

I need a speculative element to really look me in. But when you're doing like actual good character work and stuff like, that's actually what gets me most excited. And a lot of times dramas just I don't give me that they're giving me a lot of plot about stuff that I don't like because it's not time travel or a ghost, but like if you're really doing character work, like oh yeah, okay, and it sounds really good. Yeah, Like obviously, like the title is The Humans, which is a very broad term, and you're like, okay, I know where this is going. But then the movie is about these incredibly specific people who have very very specific particular things about them, and it like it's like you can see like okay, I see what you're doing.

Like I don't know, like it really has grown in me my estimation the farther I've gotten for it because I keep thinking about it and I'm like, oh that was yeah okay. And I think also like new Yorkers Will Will or former New Yorkers, I think you'll like get the feeling it's trying. It has very very deeply. Oh that sounds good. Yeah, ooh okay.

All right, I'm gonna close with a couple of documentaries because I think there are some of them are ones that I would like to talk to you about, yes please, all right. So first off is one that is on Canopy, and I was so excited because I, you know, me, if there's anything about figure skating that I didn't know about. I'm going to grab it. I did not know about this. The documentary called Ice King, and it is about the gold medalist from the I believe it was the nineteen seventy six Olympics.

And now I'm trying to even remember his name, John Curry. Was that his name? Yes, John Curry? Who was who won the gold medal? He was a British ice skater figure skater.

He wins gold, and basically as soon as he wins gold, this is kind of a quick way of saying it, but essentially he gives an interview where they're like, oh, and you're gay, right, and he's like, yes, actually I am, which was was basically nobody else did that until the nineties Rudy g Lindo came out and then then very recently other skaters have come out. But it is a sport that, as much as tends to have a reputation of being a very you know, like literal gay sport, it has been very hard for figure skaters to actually be public about that because of the sentiment and the international sentiment and everything else. So he was fascinating. He basically did not want to. He wanted to be a ballerina.

He did not want to be a figure skater, but his father made him said like, no, you're playing a sport, you're not dancing, And so as soon as he won the gold, he then went on to create his own ice skating like kind of ice dance shows, where he was doing very much, very successful ballet choreographed programs across the world. He died of AIDS related illnesses. So it goes to that place that you kind of sadly anticipate anytime you watch a movie about a gay man at that era, you kind of and you say, well, why why don't I know about that person? Oh? That's why.

But so again it was a peek into somebody that is I did not know enough about. So if anybody is interested in it, watch this documentary on Canopy and then on Netflix a very good documentary called Outstanding. Have you heard of it? No, I don't know anything that's on that clearly had it. Oh I thought you did.

Okay, No, we haven't had access to it in month. God a guy that's so detached about what they even have anymore. Yeah, this is good. This is a documentary about gay comics, primarily in the nineties, but you have the talking heads are Lily Tomlin, Margaret cho It is just I mean, in this incredible collection of like comedians of different generations. So you have newer ones, you have I can't remember anybody's name now, but it's it's it's great and it moves really quickly.

It's very funny because they're comedians and they're pretty funny. Uh So a good A good watch definitely like learn some things I didn't know, got depressed about some things that I did know. Uh but it's a good time, good time. And then a pair so on Netflix is Remembering Gene Wilders the documentary that's very good. So sad, I don't want to watch these sad things.

Yeah, no, bitter, I'd say yeah, because the Gene Wilder one is you know somebody who it's it's a really well done documentary. It does a smart thing that a lot of these movies don't do, which is so many documentaries about like start with when he was a child and blah blah blah, and this one does it. This one starts with basically when Jean Wilder was cast in the producers and then it backtracks it like kind of goes in different directions, but it very much like starts with this is the gem Wilder, you know, and now we're gonna kind of go in different ways to find out like how you know, who he really was and where all this came from. And it was lovely. It was a very nice watch.

Some again interesting talking heads there highly recommended h and then last I was you don't have Disney Pluster, do you? I think we have access to it through somebody else and we don't really use it. What do you have the Jim Henson? Yeah? I now talking about sad.

This actually get recommended to us last night and one of our friends was like, I couldn't even watch the trailer without crying, and I was like, well, how do you expect me? And you know it's it's funny because that was my fear. Yeah, what I think this did and I don't think this is a great documentary. I will say that Brannon was like, really didn't like the way it was put together. He thought it was very it had more visuals than it needed and he found that distracting.

What was interesting to me because I think, you know, you and I are very much the Jim Henson died When we were ten. I think we remember that day, we remember where we were. This was he was sort of this grandfather figure to an entire generation of people. And that is whenever you know, I think of Jim Henson or when I you know, we always talk about watching them up the family Christmas every year and like the moment when he shows up on screen and you're just ah, what this does very much is like Jim Henson was a human being, and he was a dude, and he was a dad, and he was a husband, and he was somebody who worked a lot, and he was a frustrated artist. So there is an aspect that kind of tempers, that sort of like cudliness that I think we're just always associate with him because instead we're seeing, like you know, and there was there's no like crazy baggage of Jim Henson.

There was no like he was abusive or anything like that at all. Yeah, but he was a workaholic. He was somebody that like didn't wasn't does not seem to have been a great husband and father because once the kids started coming, he had to work more and did not probably spend all the time at home that he should have. Like so there's aspects of that where you're like, oh, yeah, okay, he was he was a dude. You get to see some things like I hadn't seen of some of his short films and like the stuff he did before the Muppets and before like the Jim Henson we know, So I think for all of that, like, it's an interesting insight that I had not necessarily ever seen of him as more of like a grown up person doing business and trying to reconcile that with art.

Yeah, and when they did the at the Museum of Moving Image in Astoria when I lived there, they had the Henson exhibit for a while, and that's essentially the exhibit that then started to travel. So I saw it when I was in Seattle. Again, it was slightly different, but you're you're completely right, and I do actually understand what you're saying, hear what you're saying, and think I would probably have the same experience, because yes, I got to see the puppet of Miss Piggy in a wedding dress and it made the lump in my throat so hard I couldn't I couldn't breathe. But then also there's all the black and white sketches and early advertising stuff that he did. That was just interesting because you do get to view him as like a creator and maybe not your dad that built all your favorite stuff for you.

Yeah, like there is a there is a separation, and it was present in those exhibits. So I bet I know what you're talking about, and that actually is heartening and maybe should watch it. Yeah, I mean I think it. It is not. You will get it a different you'll learn different things and you'll see him in different ways.

And I don't think it takes away from kind of this figure that I still like having in my mind of this great grandpa who you know, uh would could pick up any sock and turn it into my best friend, like all of that. But it's just it is like if you, I think, want to learn more about like where some things came from, and like just and the business aspect of it too, which is pretty interesting, Like you know, you will learn stuff from it. I don't. I don't think it is was the most satisfying evening of our lives. But I certainly don't regret watching them.

Okay, well I might have to rethink that I was a hard no last night and now I'm like, all right, maybe I'll be curious. I think that was pretty much everything. Wow, I watch the Movie Past documentary. I don't know if this tell me. I think it's on Max, you know, HBO for us in the know, but it's a it's the it's a documentary about Movie Past and basically just what happened.

And I was very involved in a lot of the early Movie Past. Okay, so like from from like the consumer side of it, when they're saying like oh you couldn't sign up or oh you couldn't get movies or getting cards took forever. I lived that, so like that side of it was cool, but like also the reverse of like what was actually happening or how and how they were spending the money was fascinating. Huh oh yes, I that is if you are, especially if you were like interested in Movie Past or had a subscription for a while or whatever. It's really wild to see that they never had like a plan for Yeah, it seemed like something that was they had an idea that they didn't realize how good of the deal it was.

It's really interesting. So like two guys essentially started it and then like they had people come, they needed funding, and those two guys essentially staged a hostile takeover and then she kind of changed like the direction of it, so they ruined a good thing. It was like a really good thing. That reminds me of a criticism. I should launch at Outstanding, which is a great documentary and people should watch it, but there is one thing that I think should be addressed.

They talk in the movie about, you know, towards the end, like a lot of it starts talking about kind of the more recent just attacks on trans people, and they talk about Dave Chappelle and about his you know how harmful what he has said, and and like several comedians like you and obviously again it's edited, and I'm sure Netflix then was able to edit more because they say like like I'm not angry at the people watching and laughing, I'm mad at like it's and it's not even Dave Schapelle. It's like it's the these giant platforms that have given him that have certified him essentially, which like is Netflix, Like Netflix is where he had all these giant specials. But they don't within the documentary say you know Netflix, And I'm again, i am sure the people in the documentary set it and It's funny because other times Netflix gets gets commented on when other comedians say, like, yeah, it was the first gay Asian American with a Netflix special, Like it's said as if it exists in the world with Netflix.

But it's like to me, like I had thought about it, and then I'm like, wait a minute, no, no, no, they did. Nobody ever said yeah, Netflix should not have given him a special, And I just thought that was interesting, And I feel like I should say that because it is a little bit of a spoon of salt to take with a very otherwise very good documentary that probably was not allowed to criticize the platform and streaming on. That's a that's a really good point. You like when they did the Firefest doc the two rival Firefest documentaries, you really had to look and see what one of them's not mentoring, mentioning X thing, oh there the association. Yeah, so like that's interesting.

You gotta look and see who's behind your stuff. And I mean it's so funny, especially with documentaries. And it's funny too because like I am, you know, your readers. I'm not a big nonfiction reader, but I will read nonfiction about subjects I'm interested in. And it's one of those things where like sometimes it's so hard to realize.

Oh, even a nonfiction history book has a point of view, like nobody doesn't. Even if you are just recapping the facts of this thing, there is always where did these facts come from? And which facts are you leaving out? And everything. So it's it's a tough world to ever, you know.

Just remember people, you have to take all the information but still parse through it. Good notes from Emily, Yeah, follow me for more life skills going into this election season. Oh good, No, that's where you just turn everything off. That's where you you you go to Fantasy Island and you say, my fantasy is a world aware, and then you make that come true and then it's all great, Like Fantasy Island, the Great book, I watched the classic. That's right, my new comfort watch, Brownhouses, Fantasy Island.

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