Episode 34: Computer Crime + Graveyard Shift + Jack Soo, a Retrospective

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Welcome to the Life and Times of Captain Barney Miller Podcasts. On the show, we talk about Captain Barney Miller, who was not a sailor, he was a cop. We're talking about three episodes from the end of season five, Computer Crime which came out March fifteenth, nineteen seventy nine, Raveyard Shift which we'll look out screw you April. We're just jumping right over to May May tenth, nineteen seventy nine, and Jack Sue a retrospective which came out May seventeenth, nineteen seventy nine. We got Max Gale back in the director's chair here with Computer Prime.

With Computer Crime, a story by Dennis Koenegg and Calvin Kelly and a teleplay by Calvin Kelly. Ris, what did you think about Computer Crime? I feel like and I'm gonna feel like we said this last time. I feel like I've seen this episode before. However, that being said, having seen it before, I think it's still good.

I think it's a fun episode. I like the two characters, the man who's been cursed and the voodoo Obeia I guess woman, and I like those two characters. I think those two characters are interesting. I think the the titular computer crime that's going on is a little goofy, and that guy's like, that guy's not getting any fucking promotion. Guy's going to jail goodbye.

But I mean, hey, this show tends to have some times a little bit more of a quaint and uplifting and positive ending as opposed to the belleview ending, which is what it normally goes for. So this episode I think is fine. And special guests along for the ride. One of those people that we're talking to about, the maritime hero, Barney Miller. Mister Richard Hadham.

Welcome to the show again, sir. I'm so happy to be here, and I just want to take one more opportunity to say that AI can suck my dick, and and to expound a little bit on the fact that you know, AI not so good at writing the intro to this show, but maybe it could do something useful for humanity, like I don't know, cure cancer or figure out a way to get clean drinking water to every corner of the earth. Instead of hiding in the shadows, waiting to take my job as a TV rider. I'm a paranoid with proof. That was pretty good, Richard.

I was waiting to see if you're going to bring that one back or not not throw him in the fucking cell and take him to goddamn Bellevue right now, that's right, because I'm a writer, so I know how to do that. So anyway, whatever. Um, yeah, great to be here, man Um. I enjoyed. By the way, these you know we're getting into fifth season.

I mean we're actually getting toward the end of fifth season. These are really fun episodes that we're talking about today. And I did enjoy this one. The guy who plays the computer criminal. And by the way, the computer aspect isn't really foremost in this whole thing, which was a little bit.

Even though it's the titular thing, Normally the titular thing ends up being the A plot. It is effectively the B plot. I think that's because it's not that entertaining. Yeah, I mean it was okay, but but that's how God. The guy the actor's name is Berry Gordon, right or Barry, Yeah, and his isn't here regular on fish Well that's a good question.

I don't know if he is or not. When he first walked into or was walked into the squad room, I thought it was Bruno Kirby at first took him talking, and then once he started to talk, I was just like, wait a second, he's actually shorter than love it. This is kind of amazing. And I was so surprised that there weren't any hype jokes in this episode. I know, I know Ron Carey's favorite episode.

I was just surprised that there were no giant turtles crawling out of the sewer that looked like Barry Gordy because that's or Barry Gordon because that's what I know him from, because he's the voice of Donna Tello from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles nice the original cartoon. Well it's really funny because like his voice is so distinct that like I knew it immediately. I was like, oh, man, like that's a that's like a child It's like triggered like a childhood memory for me. It's like, damn, that's that's Donna Tello from the Turtles. It was it was crazy because yeah, I thought it was Bruno Gurby too, he looked so much like him.

To answer your question, Richard, yes, he was on thirty five episodes Fish as Charlie Harrison, so that's probably the entire run of Fish. So isn't it weird like he did this whole run on Fish. I mean, it's not weird because actors kept showing up on Parney Miller playing different roles. But it is kind of funny that he did his whole two seasons on Fish and then shows up in this episode. And you know, it would have been great if he could have said, well, I was working for a year old friend and and and then I got this new job, and there could have been some crossover magic.

But I guess not. No, I think they would say Avagoda is dead to us. I mean, guess he. Well, we'll talk about that later on in this episode when it comes to people being dead. But I wanted to really bring up something that I found fascinating, so I was starting so I watched these episodes twice and I started watching this episode for the second time, and for whatever reason, it just clunked out on me, and I was like a damn it, you know, and I went over to Amazon Prime because We've been very excited.

Hey, all these episodes are available on Amazon Prime. Went to watch it there, and Richard, before you even say anything, I do have all of these on dvd. I was just too lazy to put it in the DVD player, so I went over to Amazon Prime hit play on this episode. It starts with them bringing the computer criminal into the bullpen. It doesn't have any of the opening, It doesn't have any of this thing of Harris on the phone with Woe Joe talking about he's talking to a woman whose husband took one of her dresses and went out on the town.

And then his solution is to take one of his dresses, that the wife should take one of the husband's dresses, and this whole thing of like Dietrich isn't here yet, and that they're working in the night shift now and we'll talk about that more in the next episode. Their shift ends at midnight. Liz is making a special dinner, like getting all of this set up before this guy even comes into the station, and I'm like, what the hell? And so I watched the other two episodes. They seem to be okay, but I just want to put out there, folks who are big Barney Miller fans, we're not crazy.

If you're watching this on Amazon Prime and we're talking about things that aren't in the episode, it's because the guys have cut it out. So Amazon does not do a great job with the old shows. If you've noticed, like I've watched Mary Tyler Moore and the like, the soundtrack will cut out for like ten minutes. They really need to go back and do justice to the shows that they're platforming. First of all, you're paying for them.

Second of all, these are great shows. It's not that hard you are Amazon. Wow, is my anti big studio attitude coming out right now? I guess we'll get to the reasons for that later. But anyway, that is crazy because there's a lot of setup in that, in that little opening precredit sequence for this episode that it is kind of important.

Well, it's like what Disney Plus did with The Simpsons, where I took it and like misformatted it visually so that they were cutting like the visual gags of The Simpsons out because they they like stretched it or something. I forget what it is exactly. It's like, what do you guys understand what you fucking have here? No, you just have something and you throw it out there and you do the bare minimum because again, like it it's streaming, there's nothing with it's just the episodes if it's even that. So yeah, thanks, because those things don't exist in a format that could be put out there for people to enjoy only in physical media.

And look, I get it what I'm complaining about Mason counterintuitive, but in the age of streaming, it would be nice to have these things on those platforms because they have the space. It's Amazon or Fuck's sake, like, yep, if anyone has the space, it's Amazon. Yeah there was, Um we were watching Remington Steel on Amazon and and it had that same formatting thing where it's like, again, why why does it feel like the top core of the screen is gone and everyone is sort of like cut off at the hairline. It's disturbing, it's not fun, and it's not worth the money they're charging. Well, when I was a kid, I used to watch I Love Lucy all the time.

You know, that was like a great rerun catching up with that and experiencing what my mom had experienced. But I can't even remember how I found this out that I think it was because of context. Eventually, I figured out that they were cutting off the first five minutes of almost every single show in order to make room for more commercials, because they didn't have the same amount of commercial breaks in the past as we had. This probably smid seventies, late seventies when I'm watching this stuff, and they would make references to things that had happened in those first five minutes, and I'm like, what are they talking about? And I had to like eventually figure it out that they were chopping these episodes down.

So now I'm really curious if I go to watch Island Lucy on a platform like Amazon and they're just going to have those minutes chopped out as well. Well, here's the thing that what you're talking about happened a lot. It was very common with all syndicated shows that they would be there would be a syndication cut where often from a half hour show, maybe two and a half minutes and from an hour show maybe five minutes would be cut out for local commercials and you know, various local station announcements and stuff like that, and that was very common. And then and then there was this whole thing in the nineties and the two thousands when people were getting their favorite shows on DVD when DVDs were becoming very popular and people were suddenly realizing, oh, there's there's whole sections of episodes that I know very well that I enjoy where suddenly there's like, you know, bonus content of here was the actual episode, right, And so that became.

And also, like movies that are run in syndication, you know in the after noon or late at night, stuff gets cut out for commercials, so people are like, oh, my goodness, now we're seeing the actual movie we're supposed to see. Now, you would think with the advent of streaming, that's what you would see, and unfortunately that isn't always the case. Some streamers like Peacock make a big deal out of well, not only are we going to give you, you know, the Office episode that you know and love, but we're also going to offer you a super fan extended cut, which I think is wonderful and I think that's what they should do because that's what brings you to that home station. It's like Peacock knows the shows that we love, thirty Rock, Office Parks and Rex, you know, I mean, the NBC shows, and we're going to give you a little extra.

I think that is actually great customer service. And I think, you know, Amazon Prime just kind of culls everything from everywhere and then charges you, you know, which makes it very convenient, but you're not always getting what you're paying for. I mean, the Bollywood Cinema Club is a great example of how good, how prevo the subtitles can be on Indian movies on Prime Video, because holy fuck, some of those are bad to the point where it's almost like I would even suggest you not watch the movie because it the subtitles are that, like, there's a better movie to suggest because of how bad the subtitles are on the other movie, Like and that's a Prime video thing, that's not a hosting somewhere else and Prime directing you there, that's on Prime So there, that's I mean, Prime Video for me was always like what is there to watch on Prime Video?

Now? There are some things marvelous mismaisl Jack Reacher I saw. I think the ringer was talking about how like Amazon Prime is like Dad streaming now with Jack Reacher and what's the other one, Jack Ryan, So I've seen that. But then I mean Lord of the Rings and we talked about that last year Mike. So I still don't think Prime Video knows what the fuck they're doing.

And this is a good example because this is something that really could bring people in, right, Yeah, I would say, I would say to sort of bring it full circle. Shout Factory has a lovely Barney Miller the entire series plus plus I think it's the first season of Fish. It includes and bonus features and all kinds of stuff. So if you're a true Barney Miller fan, and I'm sure Otto Bruno would back us up, you know, go ahead treat yourself to the DVDs. I think it's worth it.

They look pretty good. They look as good as they can look, and the bonus features are fantastic. Yeah, what really stinks about this opening being cut out is this nice rapport between Wojo and Harris and just seeing those two because you don't tend to see them bouncing back and forth too much. We're going to get them a little bit more in the second episode, which is nice, but just them kind of joking around and being friends, and you know, these two co workers that have been together now for five seasons going on six. It's like, yeah, this is kind of a cool thing.

And then also like I said, we're getting set up that they're working this midnight shift, that Liz is making this dinner, that Barnie wants to leave early. We get that all of that is missing, this whole thing of you know, I'm going to leave at ten thirty, and then Wocho like guilting him for leaving work early, and he's like, you know, hey, I'm the boss. I should be able to do this, but he still feels super guilty about it, and then we get I was so surprised because throughout this entire episode, one of the plots and I'm not sure if it's an A or the C in this case, but this whole thing of Barnie and Liz, and this is so weird that Liz is more present now as an off screen person than she ever was as an on screen person, but this whole thing of him almost sexing her up on the phone but not quite and then always being talked locked.

I was so surprised because, you know, Richard, now, I'm no writer, nor am I an ai, but I think comedy follows the rule of threes. So when you get Levitt coming in and interrupting him, then he get Dietrich coming in and interrupting him. I thought, for sure, Wojo is going to come in and interrupt him or Harris, and it's like that never happens. You know, where's that third time where he's going to get cock blocked. Well, it is funny because all of that stuff happens.

I guess the I guess sort of. The third the third and final beat in the story is the Mojo bag that he gets from Mabel King. We're did really funny. I mean, here's the thing, you know, we get we get the important stuff, which is we get Barney's point of view of where he is in his relationship and on the road to reconciliation or not with his wife. We we are clue.

We clearly understand, like, Okay, there's this thing happening, and I can't fuck it up, you know, work cannot fuck this up. And then of course it sort of almost does. And then and then yeah, the the sex phone call. Clearly she is talking, you know, talking sexy to him and he's getting into it. And then of course Levitt comes in and man, nothing is going to make your bone and trying quicker than that.

So it is really nice. I mean, I really like it. I really, I really, and he's so and how linded. I mean, how many times do I have to watch this show and re arrive at the conclusion that he is brilliant, He's so good and he's on the phone. That's hard.

Phone acting is so hard and not everybody can do it, and he does it so well, and you just see every moment on his face. He's listening to what Liz is saying, he's reacting and then getting interrupted. It's it's a really good bit and it's strange because it's really so much this episode is Bernie and it's Dietrich and because when it comes to the Obie slash Voodoo stuff, I mean, Harrison Wojoe are there, but they don't really interact. It's really the actors. It's it's Mabel King and Roger Aaron Brown going back and fourth.

As you know, Roger Aaron Brown as doctor Anthony Keeling. He feels that he has a curse placed on him by Mabel King, whose mother Zilla. And yeah, they keeps saying Obie, but it's basically it sounds very much like voodoo. Though. I like when they bring up Obie and Barney doesn't know what the hell it is.

He's just like Patrick, and he's gonna have Dietrich explain it because the exact same thing happens in the next episode as well, just like, Okay, I need somebody to explain this to me, and Dietrich you're the one, so lays it all out for him. But really it's just those two going back and forth, and you know, she's staring at me. Well it's great. It brings up this really cool thing, which is his you know, Harris's complicated relationship to his race, yes, and his constant sort of his attempts to present himself as as not what you might expect in the seventies from an African American police officer, an African American police detective, an African American person. So he's clear, you know, he's in he's a self conscious character.

The way he dresses and the way he you know, you know, everything about him has a little bit of style and a little bit of like, you know, he knows how he is seen and now and now in this story, he's totally horrified because this yeah, it's well educated PhD. You know Johns Hopkins doctor totally believes in voodoo. Now he's Jamaican, which sort of makes his background different from how the character of Harris grew up obviously, but still, and I love Harris's line contributing to racial stereotypes or I'm sorry, contributions to racial stereotypes are not tax deductible. Love that. I love it.

Mabel King, she's amazing. I kind of wish that she had a little bit more in this episode. Mabel King. I mostly know her, of course from What's happening as Mama, but she was also one of the best mother characters ever in The Jerk. She is so good in that.

Yeah. Absolutely, Um, She's always a welcome presence on the TV screen. And then she gets a great moment where she's got the keys and and Harris can't quite get the get the cell door open, and he's struggling and you and they frame it so that you can see her sort of in the foreground holding a set of keys in her hand tightly, and then she kind of releases it and dangles them and shakes them and says it'll work now, and he's like, well, sure because I loosened it up. And then he opens it and of course it opens right up. So it's a little you know.

I mean, it's funny how how Barney Miller will like do supernatural stuff every once in a while and agar I mean, yeah, yeah, every time he's on the show, Like, yeah, didn't you get that? Well, well we'll get We'll get to the succubist guy in the next episode. But that should have been that should have been Kenneth Tiger for sure. Gosh, yes, definitely. Um.

Yeah. The other part of this is the computer crime, the titular computer crime. And yeah, it's I like how angry Dietrich is getting. But Dietrich is kind of schizophrenic in this a little bit too, because not only is he very angry at this guy for doing this crime, but then he also jokes around with him a little bit, tells him that whole thing about like what was it the two eleven eighties that are talking to each other, and he's just like, and the punchline is not in my data bank, you don't. And then he also gets a little shout out to the X rated version of Alice in Wonderland, which, if people haven't seen that great movie, Kristin de bell is terrific in that and it's a musical as well, So if you haven't seen the X rated Alice in Wonderland.

I highly recommend it not surprising that Dietrich is the one who's bringing it up. Let's just put it that way. Yeah, oh yeah, that guy's a total purv. Oh yes, I do believe that. An unspoken bit of Cannon on Barney Miller is that he's the purv of everyone.

He leaves Wojo in the dust. It's also an alien, yeah, confirmed canon alien. I mean, and I love his thing of I took a glimpse, just a very cursory look at these stamps, and I reckon they're worth five hundred thousand dollars. It just happens to know rare stamps as well, and is able to put a price tag on those. And you know, it is kind of fun that because I get the feeling and he does it at the very beginning, and he sort of does it all the way through where he's sort of play acts at being the tough cop with this guy all the way until the end when he tells him get out of here, right, And you get the feeling he's not super sincere, but at the same time, it's kind of nice to see him.

He's coming down on a white collar criminal. He's not coming down on some guy who was stealing a can of you know, tuna from the liquor store because he's starving. Dietrich would never do that, but for this guy who looks like he might get away with it, he basically decides the joke is going to be I'm gonna fuck with this guy and be bad cop. Se he does get away with it, Yeah, it doesn't get his well. Desserts, oh wait, dessert that was a good life is putting on her outfit right now, I gotta get home.

I don't think she's putting anything on. I think it's a matter of what she's taking off and probably putting whipped cream on herself. There you go. That's exactly way I was gonna say. Yeah, it's that scene from not Another Team movie.

Yeah, Barbara Barry and whipped cream. I mean, I find it adorable and charming that they did a story about a man in his middle age who was excited about going home to have sex with his wife. That was a little thing I could identify with. I'm going to go home and have sex with my wife and I'm gonna take I canna take this magic bag given to me by a voodoo queen. Yes, and two times around the bed, two times around the bed.

Okay, okay, got it, got it? Got it? Because because again, there's nothing in middle aged man wants more than a magic device that's going to help the the sex sack go better. Yes, yes, because we are we are very far away from the invention of anything that will help medically that way right these in this is the on Barney Miller. It's the pre uh Viagrad days.

So you have to go to a voodoo quick in the day, it was like a bag of chicken bones, right, like a bag of chicken bones and some leaves and you just shake it a couple of times and we're called good Joe. Well, you know, I mean, hey, if you believe it, it works. Um. There was a place in um where I grew up. There were there were there was a street that had a lot of um sort of Asian based um like apothecaries.

This is in Monterey Park, California, and this is back in the eighties, and there was this one place that my friends and I always saw and we always thought it was so funny because there was a hand painted big like car board thing in the window explaining what they had herbs for. And you know when you go in these places, they've just got like these pigeonholes and like a like a library sort of um, you know, a card catalog, just a million drawers that they open up and they take out the gin sing and they take out the y'all route or whatever it happens to be. But but on the big sign they have all the things you know, for you know, insomnia and for you know, whatever you were suffering. And then and then right in the middle it, you know, they have herbs for it said, um uh, potency, and the next one was impotency.

And you're like, well, no way to say I need I need the herb that's going to give me potency. No way, I'm sorry, I know I need the one that's going to give me impotency. What is this, probably, dear penis. Yeah, it's like rhino horn. Andrew Zimmern has taught me anything.

Yes, yes, if I take both of these things, do they cancel each other out or do they double I could never quite figure it out. Will they make me as horny as Lugar was for his girlfriend? You know, you don't get a Dumont anymore. They don't make him so good. Well, speaking of Luger, he actually shows up in the next episode, which is graveyard Shift.

I thought the actual graveyard shift would play into it a little bit more like, Oh, we get even crazier people that come in after midnight. And I'm not sure why they're working this graveyard shift because they normally work days, and I don't think that they give an explanation as to why they're suddenly working nights. And I'm not sure if that's going to continue in season six or if this is just kind of wrapping up this season with we are working because they say that they get off at midnight in the last episode, and this one it sounds like they are starting close to midnight and then working all night, so I don't envy them for that. We start off this one with a woman going through a mug book, which we've seen that plenty of times.

But we've got Harris dictating into this little tape recorder and he is writing his new book, or trying to anyway, called Fascinct Diary. Do you like the title? Well, I prefer Blood on the Badge, Yes, better name. It's pretty amazing because this is the beginning of that whole storyline, right, Well, he has been writing before, and there's definitely one where he had submitted something to a magazine and it ended up being an adult magazine, right Chris. It was that whole X Files cigarette smoking Man thing where it's like, where's the latest issue of Ramana Cleff and it's like, oh my stories, Oh my god, they're just fucking like yeah, but I think Harris's reaction to it was different than the X Files one.

I don't think Harris cared as much, if memory serves, but I think he's pretty proud of it. Yeah, yeah, because he got published. Yeah, and then we've got sorry good. I mean, I'm sorry, Mike. You probably because I can't tell Chris you haven't seen all these episodes in your past.

No no, no, no, no no I am. I am enjoying and appreciating this real time. Okay, So, but Mike you have so so this this is like the beginning of like yeah, well, it's like it's kind of his defining subplot that goes that goes on for seasons. Yeah. I mean, he's been writing through this entire thing, and this he was doing.

It's like one of my favorite jokes from Bernie Miller, the whole thing of I can type one thing but be saying another thing, and that they look at the paper and it's exactly what he was saying rather than something else. But it was. Yeah, it's been slow, but yeah I can see and Richard, I haven't seen these since they originally aired, so I'm not that fresh at past. But yeah, I do remember blood on the badge and that he's going to be doing a lot more of this writing. But he's he's done this before where he's kind of slacked off and tried to, you know, do his writing thing otherwise.

But this one, I can really see Barnie being very annoyed Adam Um rightly so, especially when there's a bomb threat in the precinct and it's there on the recorder twelve twenty five bomb threats. Well, this this is the beginning of it becomes. It becomes a big thing. Yeah, and it's really funny and it's really great. It goes on, it goes on, I mean again for throughout almost the end of this series.

This what starts in this episode and Um and woe Joe's reaction about like, hey, I'm always saying stupid things, and you know, I'm getting trouble for it, so I'm not you know, I'm a little bit wary of speaking into a tape recorder. Um all, like issues like that come up over and over again. And well you'll see as a play. When I watched and I'm like, oh, wait a second, is this the beginning of that, because I thought it started earlier. But then I'm like, well, they've got you know, five three more seasons after this one, so I guess it plays out, you know, throughout those.

But anyway, yes, we're beginning the if you know the show, we're beginning the blood on the badge storyline for Harris. And and yeah, it's it's one of the best things. You guys are gonna love it, which is nice because I know, Chris, when you and I were originally talking about the show, it had no memory between episodes. But then as the show has progressed, they've started to have little things that they carry through. So the whole thing of Dietrich and Harris being roommates and that carried us through for a while, and now just Harris has like the seething hatred of Dietrich.

It gets over it a little bit, but you know, it's still there. I mean, after Dietrich saved his life, I suppose that things are a little bit better. But yeah, this kind of in fighting between Wojoe and Harris is really nice, and especially when Barney's like, is there something going on? Is there something wrong? And Dietrich's just like yeah, and then walks away, doesn't say anything else, just yeah, there is something going on here.

You uh, you know, basically you don't need to worry about it because they work it out by the end of the episode and kind of a nice moment. So the bomb threat storyline is pretty great and it and it kind of resolves in the perfect Barney Miller way, doesn't it. Oh yeah? Yeah, Well, and I was so thrilled to see the beast Rabond in this too. Who's who's the best?

Paul ell Smith so yeah from the original Stone played the beast Bond in the original Dune movie. Yeah. God, it's so funny because I just was watching something else and Paul Smith showed up in that one as well. Oh it is The in Laws. I just was rewatching The in Laws and he shows up in that.

He is one of the henchmen that's trying to take out the Peter falk sends Alan Arkin to go to his office and take out the stuff from the safe, and Paul ell Smith is one of the two hit men that's coming after him. Oh okay, that's so funny because I've seen The in Laws many times and for listeners, if you like Barney Miller, I would I would actually think that you would also really like the original in Laws with Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. It somehow it's the same humor, I think. Yeah, well, I think we'll be talking about that when we continue on The Shabby Detective as well, because Chris and I were talking about going outside of just Colombo and talking about some of the folk stuff as we go along.

Oh oh okay, well well, well, well if you do and you need another person on the in Laws episode, boy putting it in early, that's probably going to be a couple of years, but yeah, hopefully the strike will be over by that. Putting it in early, that's that's my trademark. I would need a bag for that. As I say, Richard, I was hoping more you would offer yourself up to be on the award winning classic Quirky Romano episode that we're going to do. Sure, I'm in.

I have not seen Quirky mto blank spot in my in my cine asked, h you know History. I love that movie. You're in for a treat, Richard. Oh cool, Okayo's wild. Yeah, I'll do some quirky.

I mean you like Chris Ktan, right, I do. He was in he was in the Middle. Have you guys watched The Middle? I will say that that that as a person with three children, uh it um, it hits home. The Middle is an unsung classic.

The In fact, when I was on it was always sort of like, oh, Modern Family is the good show, and then The Middle is like whatever. The Middle is one of the most well observed comedies I've ever seen, and it is consistently brilliantly laugh out loud funny. So if you've never watched The Middle, watched The Middle. I like how much Cogan is in these episodes by name. It's almost like he's going to show up again one of these days.

I mean, he's Cogan has been part of the show since, like some of the earliest episodes, because the hilarious thing is that the actor is Milk Cogan and he's playing Officer Cogan. So I remember talking about that way back, and like one of the very first episodes. I think it was ambush or something. So season two, episode four might have even been before that. So he's the one we're trying to get the trace on the call for who's putting this bomb threat in.

Milt Coogan is great. Milk Cogan is one of those guys that when you see him, you're like, oh, right, that guy who you saw in a million things throughout the sixties and seventies and eighties. And I met Milt Coogan at a at a get This a Rockford Files reunion that they used to have cast and crewe used to show up once a year at from places in LA And I got wind of it and I went and I actually met him and he signed my Rockford Files book. Milt Coogan is awesome. He was great, and he plays a great character in sort of the not the two hour pilot, but sort of the first actual episode of The Rockford Files.

He has a real great interaction with James Karner. So anyways, I'm a big Milk Coogan fan, and I do love that they keep him alive sort of in the air in the in the larger reality of the Barney Miller verse. Instead of mentioning Mike, just so we know they don't mention Mike, they mentioned Cogan over. I wanted to where's Mike ad Okay, that's the question we're all asking, is where's Mike Way? Who's Mike?

Yeah, Mike is Art Metrono. He showed up in one episode and oh Mike, Hey Mike, and where him? Yeah, like we were supposed to understand there was some sort of like relationship between them, and then he's just gone, Yeah, he was there for one episode. Uh, Milt Coogan. It has been part of the show since season one, episode two, so that's how far back he goes, and he's been in at least six episodes.

But then yeah, I don't know how many times he's been mentioned because he hasn't been in an episode since season two. But here they are still talking about It'd be almost as if they were like, we'll get Chano on the phone and have him trace this call. I wish well they did that. In one of the episodes of this season they mentioned Chana they did it in a Chano and I was like, wait a second, yeah, exactly, But do they mention Wentworth. Do they mention they have mentioned Wentworth?

Yeah? No, this feels like the season they should have done that, given that we had Wojoe's Girl, which is the first episode of this show. Yeah, by like a country mile and then some and they don't mention her at all. That's like the episode to mention it Wentworth? Where's Wentworth?

She should have been Wojoe's Girl, not some like random blond woman who has no chemistry with Max Gale whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, hey, let's make a pilot, a backdoor pilot with Max Gale where he's the most unappealing he's ever been in any episode, like easily. Yeah. So for me, the real hero of this episode is Raymond Singer.

He is awesome. He's got a great look to him. He only gets a better look as he goes along and loses more hair. I'm sure Richard you recognize him from Scarecrow Missus King as well. But he's been in a ton of stuff and he is plagued by a succubus.

Dietrich what's a succubus. Succubus is the eppisite of an incubus of an incubus it's a demonic spirit that invades your body at night drains your sexual energy. Yeah, and we get to see that draining. That's a pretty interesting thing. I did not think that that was actually going to happen in this, and I love what he wakes up.

He's just like anybody got a cigarette. This is the guy who who if Barney Miller was being made today, that character would be Tony Hale. Wow, good call. Yeah I could see that. Wow.

Yeah, Like Tony Hale would be like five different characters on Barney Miller. Oh yeah, he's chameleon like that one, isn't he and just so recognizable as a type that you're sort of like, oh, that guy. And there's not many actors like that, but but he's one that we have right now. That'd be like, oh right, he'd be on the Love Boat. Oh god, yeah he would.

You'd be on all those things. As long as there are no loose seals. I think it'd be fun. Yeah. I really like his plot, though it's it's barely a plot.

I mean, if anything, i'd probably call it it like the C plot. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm gonna it's not given enough. I mean, it's not given enough. Because there's not really much there, like well, and they shove so much into this, like the bomb threat kind of comes out of nowhere and then all of a sudden, boop boop, blouger alert.

Here he comes. Just he's there, even though it's this late. He's there to support the boys because otherwise, what's he gonna do, barn, Is he just gonna sit in a dark room smoke of cigarettes. It's so perfect because it's the it's it's lonely Luger. It's it's like Luger on Thanksgiving, Luger on Christmas, Luger after midnight.

He's just this guy, and he seems so excited and like joyous that there's been a bomb threat. I just had to come down and make sure you guys on getting your guts in your body pots blown to the Poconos. He's thrilled about it. And he's talking about all the mangled bodies in front of that poor lady who's still looking at that mug book. Let's say, no Ohio tourist who's come in and it's mugged.

What was it? She loses her luggage, she gets mugged. Just all of these horrible things happened to her, and she's spending the entire night at the pre Saincts. But hey, at least it's better than watching Annie. That's and Lugar.

It gives Lugar the perfect excuse to go into talking about you know, Foster and Kleiner and Brownie. In this case, Foster who was blown up in a packard I think, with six sticks of dynamite under the seat and and let me tell you, Bond he was wearing his seatbelt. Didn't help at all. I love him. Good Barn the bombs squad says this building is safe.

Then this building is safe, and I'm like, okay, I was waiting for something to happen right at that moment, right, yeah, well it's safe from bombs, yeah, but it's not safe from collapsing under the weight of its own age and lack of maintenance. Leaking, yeah, the water leaking in. But yeah. So eventually we do get to see Paul L. Smith and he is just mad.

Leon Stepanek is the character name. He's just mad because he lives right next door to the precinct and he hates how loud it is that squad cars have killed what do you say, four of his cats, not me, and he wants the police to move. He thought it was going to be great for him to be next to a police station, and now he just hates where he's at. Um. But I do love when Barney says, well, we had an open house a couple weeks ago.

Yeah again again an intercontextual reference. Yeah, it's good. It's not just a sitcom anymore, because that's a sitcom thing, right, You gotta reset, it got to reset. It can't have any progress here. Well, and I love how I love how his performance was, Like he wasn't um, it wasn't super elevated.

It was actually pretty sincere. You really did get the feeling that he was just like I thought that it was going to be great living next door to a police station, and then it really wasn't. It's like and beyond all the noise and everything else, it's just you don't even say hi. And then he references the opening credits. Yes, like you walk by your New York Times under your arm and you don't even say hello.

Well that is how Barney walks in, because we see it every week. And then they freeze frame on his goofy face as he's laughing with the cops, not not this guy. He couldn't talk to the guy next door. No, he only talks to the cops. And that'd be great if it was just Paul Smith.

At the beginning of every episode, him and Barney just right phrase recut it as a too many cooks, and Paul just keeps showing up, like walking down the hallway, and then they cut over here he's coming through the door. He's in the cage with mister Kopechnick, and but he has to be dressed as the Beast. Oh, that'd be great. Who is this mot It's it's exactly like you spell it pronounced how you spell it, man, I mean you could probably say all of the Beaster Bonds lines and we'd be done in ten minutes if that. Yeah, it doesn't really have any speeches.

No, but he's he's good here. I like him here. Yeah. I think I like James Gregory the most out of this episode. But that's also because at this point he's just such a welcome part of the show compared to where we started, oh so long ago, where it was like, I don't like this guy at all.

I was kind of sad though, because he has put agonies on the back burner, he says, So it's like finally coming to terms with his homosexuality. Okay, maybe, but they were they hinted at it, Richard, they were, but they did hint at it, Richard. They like they kind of did, right. You remember when he's no Ac Doucy, you know, like he Richard, he's one of these guys who doth protest too much, especially when the two gay characters who we haven't seen and like it feels like a year now at least. It's like, when are these guys coming back?

Because I think they come back in the last episode, but I really I missed them. Maybe they have waiting thye they moved out to California, know they have not You guys have not covered any episode where where like, uh, we're Scanlan. I think it's like, oh that we've gotten reports there's a there's a homosexual in the twelfth Precinct. Oh no, we we we saw that the Telly. Yeah, okay, oh I want to blow anything, but okay, good, we know.

Okay, I didn't mean to say I didn't want to blow anything. I wasn't a joke. Oh, I didn't even take it like that. Oh Chris did Oh the look he gave me didn't take anything anywhere from anyone. Yeah, the Telly is also I'm surprised that they aren't having the Telly run the race on the call since he's actually like going to be coming back as more of a regular character.

Yeah, I mean, well, he essentially replaces what ron Carey's been doing for them, right right, right, So yeah, we we don't know right now, Richard, if ron Carey ever gets a promotion, or if he's always going to be a plain clothes men who just happens to fill in. So don't tell going to be finding out that as we move forward with this, because like I said, I haven't seen when did this coming at seventy nine? Like, I haven't seen this since then? So right, well that we should observe the forty year spoiler notice statute of limitations, but we'll make it fifty years. That's okay, I really only ten, but we could do forty that's fine.

Well, I'll tell you the episode I do remember very well, and that's the next one, which is Jack Sue a retrospective. Everybody, Yeah, hand me crying way back then, and it still makes me tear up now Man, especially the way that they end it. So this is one of the most unusual episodes of Barney Miller or a sitcom. Ever, most of the time, if a character, if an actor dies, then the character dies or the character goes on and extended hiatus and we just don't talk about them very much. But to face this head on that Jack Sue Detective Yamana died six months earlier, it's really something that they just stopped the whole thing.

They end this season within half an hour of going through. It's a clip show, you know. It's not as obnoxious as like Family Ties when they would have their clip shows because Michael J. Fox was busy shooting a movie. This is a clip show where they are just highlighting one person and how great he was.

And it's really very touching. And it's also kind of shocking that I never realized how little hair Max Gale had at this point in his life. Isn't it amazing? It's like, Okay, we're all kind of stepping out of our characters now, so Max Gale is going to take off the wig. I mean, like that's kind of incredible.

Yeah, it's just about as incredible as my favorite thing in this episode, which is James Gregory's bucket had. Oh yeah, it's a choice. It was a choice, that's all I'm gonna say. It's not the choice I would make. But he looks like he's going down to the docks later with Ralph Monza to go fishing and Godzilla is gonna pop up.

It's slow quite a hat, yeah, you know, clearly. It was like, it's like if you if you put that on on par with Max Gale taking off his two pay then then what this is is like we are revealing to you our real selves, right, And for him, apparently, that hat was it's like, look, you want to see me, Okay, I'm putting on the hat. You see me out in the world. I'm wearing this hat. James Gregory may not have hair on top of his head because I've never seen him without a hat on.

He's always wearing one hat or the it's always a hat. It's a hat, yeah, true. Yeah, And well, but beyond taking the two payoff, apparently he also decided to dress like Han Solo. Yeah. Yeah, he does this vest on and this sort of you know, kind of collarless shirt or something.

I'm like, what's going On are you are you to do the Kestle run? But how Lindon looking very good too with this, like Swede Brown Jack, They're they're all very good looking man obviously, but like yeah, to your point, Richard, it's like we get to see them a little maybe dressed down a little bit. It's that bucket. I need to get that at The one thing that really didn't it didn't bother me, but it disappointed me in this episode was so the way that it's structured. It's basically, you know, how Lyndon, here's what happened.

You know, nicki Amana Jecksu was a great friend. Nickimana was a great character. We're going to celebrate him. And then they will play some clips and they kind of grouped them together and they do a really good job of editing and especially editing down like like the Werewolf episode, like they give us a little intro Copecni, they give us some of his stuff and then like him really going crazy the cell. So they do a great job of like shrinking he's down to bite sized pieces.

But there's one moment where Steve Landisburg is talking about out how he and Jack Sue were like little kids in the way that they would crack up and crack each other up, and that he couldn't look at Jack Sue because he'd be laughing and then he would start to laugh, or vice versa. I wanted out takes. I wanted an outtake right there of one of those bust up moments. But instead they just cut over too, I think Levitt maybe and just or sorry Ron Carey, and then he does his little spiel and then they show some more and I'm just like, no, I wanted to see what the real Jack Sue was like. I think that would have been really cool.

Yeah, the same thing, only go ahead, Richard, No, just gonna say I thought the same thing. And it almost feels like that was not um like outside of the Carol Burnett show, that was sort of not at the boy thame to sort of show. It was sort of that's a later almost Internet age phenomenon where we're allowed to see really behind the scenes or maybe or maybe even like you know, sort of DVDs. Maybe there there were some things like that where they would have a gag reel. But yeah, I wanted that too, because we don't we don't have that, and so we don't really get to see what it was like filming.

You know. It's funny when you were talking about how they were doing the graveyard shift, and I was like, well, maybe they decided to do that because it was two in the morning anyway, right, right, so why not just make it the graveyard shift. Because he's talking about like it was three o'clock in the morning and we're just finishing table. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, Like I mean, I trust Otto just to hear it from the actor themselves, like, yeah, we're here till three in the morning. I was like, oh my god, Well that that part really always confuses me.

But again, if you've read Otto Bruno's book or if you know anything about the show, they would they'd be filming all night. But at a certain point, like like the evening. Filming of a three camera sitcom is something that happens because they would bring in a studio audience and so they you know, don't do it in the middle of the day. They do it when people are available in the evenings like a show. But at this point, they weren't filming in front of a studio audience anymore, So why they weren't able to just start at like ten am and start filming.

I have no idea, so it sounds miserable. And I give that cast so much credit that they were walking into work at whatever, six, seven, eight o'clock at night, and they knew they were going to be there till four in the morning, and they were expected to be funny, not in front of an audience, not getting any energy, and they're going to be doing take after take after take. My respect for them goes way way up. I have to say, though, my respect goes a little bit down given that for certain people and certain decisions that were made here with this retrospective, because Agasogoda's not here right and A Bogoda's presence is sorely missed because Jack, Sue and A Vogoda realistically had way more chemistry and they were doing a lot more playing off of one another than Dietrich or Ron carry and like.

And look, we know why, and it's unfortunate because you know, when you're the breakout star, you want to make sure that you're the breakout star. I get it, I totally get it. You're protecting your place, you're protecting your value. I understand it. But this is what happens because of it, you burn bridges and it's it is a glaring omission that Abe Vogoda is not here.

Yeah, to see him and to see Chano Gregory Sierra just there in those clips, it's like, oh man, it really reminds you because you know, we haven't seen Channo in four seasons, but he still cast a great shadow on the show. For me, well, it was interesting that, you know how Lyndon sort of made a comment that was like, look, no one actor is is sort of like not irreplaceable, but kind of like so indispensable that the show would end. And in a way he was kind of acknowledging, look, we've we've had people leave Wentworth, Chano Fish but you know, and now and now U Yamana, but the show goes on. But he was here from day one and so we we remember him. Whereas you know, if Abe Vagoda had tragically died that same year, I don't know, it would have been a little different.

I guess they did have to sort of explain how Yamana was missing from the show, and so they did. I'm look, I'm glad they did it. This was all good, but it also sort of tells all the actors, Hey, if one of you accidentally dies tomorrow, um, the show will go on, but maybe you'll get a clip episode. Well here's the other thing, though, A sure James Gregory was shaking in his boots. Yes to push back though, Richard, and what you're saying, they had an opportunity to write Jack Sue out of this show, and they didn't take it.

They straight up did not take it. They like backed out right at the last second, and knowing what we know now, that would have been a better I mean, I'm not saying this episode's not perfectly fine. It's on a very special episode of Barney Miller. That's what this is. But it's a weird thing because again, like you've mentioned, Mike, it's just kind of unprecedented in a lot of ways.

But for me, it's just I wish they had written him out of the show in a satisfying way and then done this as opposed to him just disappearing. Because the reason they do this is because he disappears off the show. But what was the opportunity, Like, what was the thing he felt underappreciated and he fucking left. He's like, fuck, oh, y'all, I don't feel like you appreciate me even but he put the screws to Barney because it was like I filed this away and you got mad at me for not filing it something to that effect, right, Mike, Right, you're talking about that episode, right, but that was this season. Yeah, and that was one before the final time that we see him and then he just disappears with no mention.

Okay, okay, I'm sorry. I don't mean to get super in the weeds here, but but at the time when that episode was written, like, did they know that he was sick or that he was eventually never gonna finish out this show out there on like if they thought he would like, well, he's sick, but he's coming back, but then he didn't come back, Like like what did I forget what the Auto Bruno book said or what anyone said. Yeah, I don't think that they knew, And I think that's why they I don't think that they thought that this was a chance for him for us to write him out of the show. I think they were just like, oh, yeah, and this week Nick is mad, but don't worry, he'll be fine next week. And next week came and they did the show and then after that there's no more Nick.

So it just it would have been perfect timing had they been able to take advantage of that, but unfortunately they didn't. Well, I mean, wouldn't they have been filming. Wouldn't this have been filmed, and they would have I mean again, like we don't know when this was being released or anything, but they could have just swapped him and changed the ending of that the Nick episode right again, because he does leave, He goes away, and you think, oh, he's left, Like I really thought he left in that episode. You know, I think I think there'd be again. TV then was not what TV is now, and I think it would have been very strange for them to leave on even a halfway uncomfortable note, like he feels underappreciated, so he quits and that's his last appearance on the show.

I get a feeling they would have really not wanted to do that, especially Danny Arnold was still there at this point, you know, so that while while narratively it makes sense to us, as I go, well, that's a way a character might leave a show, I think they would they'd be really gunshy about doing that. Well, I mean, I just it's interesting the way they handled some of the Because we mentioned Chano, right, Chana is another good example of like how they've handled characters leaving because they still mention him. So they could have even gone as far as to just keep mentioning Yamana like be da da da da da da. Yamana's doing this, Like, I think it speaks volumes to the respect that everyone on the cast has for Jack Sue ultimately, and I think the respect among the cast crew everybody, and the way they talk about him so effusively.

You know, obviously he was a very big part of what made the early seasons of this show really working. Like you said, Mike, it is very sad. Yeah, And I think you guys can track down. And when I say you guys, I mean listeners can track down. There's a documentary called You Don't Know Jack, which is about his whole career, which is very interesting.

He's Asian American man of Japanese descent who then plays a Japanese character, but by then he had taken on the name Jack Sue, which implies that these Chinese but that was a reaction to racial prejudice around the time of World War two and ride after so so there was a lot of sort of racial politics that he had to do m navigate throughout his career and and they referenced it in this retrospective episode about how he was in an internment camp and and he had every right to sort of be bitter about that and how his country treated him, and yet he chose not to. And if you want to know more, check out that documentary. They again, it gets touched on in this episode, but there's there's there's a much there's a really interesting story about the actor if you if you want more, tockingly similar story to George t K exactly totally.

Yeah. When he thought about that, I was like, oh yeah, because there's that George t K documentary that's right, yes, naming and I he didn't I mean into Kay's book that he did in like the late eighties early nineties, Like half of the book is just devoted to his experiences in the internment camp. So I mean, yeah, it's it's a Jack Sue is in a lot of ways of testament to like just doing the good work and not worrying about all the other bullshit they have to put up with. Because again, like you said, Mike, the amount of like racial Paul ticking, changing of his last name, changing of his identity and his ethnicity, like there were plenty of Hispanic or Italian. There was Italian actors that were that we're claiming to be Hispanic or the other way around in the eighties to get to cast I, one of the actors in the original Nightmare on ELM Street talks about it and Never Sleep Again, where he was like, well, I had to I was Hispanic, but I had to be Italian for this movie, right, And it's like that, you know again, like that's a testament to people just being like fuck it, I want to do this, And yeah, I'm it's bittersweet, but I'm glad that they did something for Jack Sue.

You know. It's like the Wise Man once said, there's too many writers in Hollywood, but there's never enough Indians. Whow boy, you really really going right for the Chatskys today, aren't you? Mike? I need that Barton thing feeling here and you're just not giving it to me.

Like I don't think I'm breaking the strike by talking to you guys WGA guidelines today just to make sure, And I almost sent you the link to it. There was an article today about how does the w GA strike affect your favorite podcasts? So don't worry, you're fine. We don't have a fucking union. That's why it doesn't matter.

Yeah. Yeah, and you don't get paid for this, so yeah, right there you go. We're not protected at all. Yes, and I'm not and I'm not promoting anything because they've asked us not to promote so so that that will not be happening on this episode. So you won't be sharing the link as usual, No, I will not.

I will be sharing a very different link, a link where you can donate to the to the Writer's Guild fund, so that to the strike fund so we can all continue living. Not me, I'm fine. I'm talking about the kids, you know, the kids. But the kids, yeah, yeah, well, somebody think of the children. There's there's a lot of young riders out there having a rough time, you know.

Yeah. Uncle Richie tries to do what he can to bring at I'm like the luger on the strike line. I like walking around and talk about the old days client Aaron Foster and Brownie m you know, back when I did this in two thousand and seven, right, that's right, Yeah, I swear to God, no, I'm literally like, you know, I just go I just go down to the picket line because I'm lonely and my TV blew up. I just want to talk about the old days. Just be me there in my room alone at night, smoking, smoking, and it's dark until Susan comes home.

Yeah, exactly, that's I've put Agoness on the back burner. I just want to talk to the kids, you know, kind of give them a little pat on the back, you though. I mean, I appreciate that there's a picket line, but I would be much more interested in a wicket line Warwick. Yeah, that would be something to see, dude. Yeah.

Wow, laugh it up, guys, I do have to say the thing. Back it up, buzz Balls is what you should have said, Richard. You missed your opportunity and we can't go back now, there's no going back. I do really like the clips that they chose for this, and I'm glad that they didn't do the coffee thing through the whole thing, but the use of the coffee montage was really good the whole thing, you know, talking about the racism. Having our friend there from NAT from Internal Affairs this time because it's the same actor to play scammed them, but he's an army guy in this one.

Yamana who or when he when Dietrich is asking about what he wants to go back to the homeland, He's like, I was born in Omaha. Hey, we've got a city in Nebraska. Sounds just like that. I love that. I absolutely love that.

And then to end with the prostitute scene and that moment that Christmas episode was so special, and when they raise up their coffee mugs to Nick and all toast him, it made me choke up. And then that shot of him afterwards and no music as they start the credits a little bit and then they do the full credits. Well, I've got freaking goosebumps here talking about this. Yeah, it was really well done. I mean, you know, clip episodes get a lot of disregard, but this one had there was a good reason, and it was executed really really well, and you could really I think you really got a feeling that those guys were real friends and had true regard for Jack Sue.

So I think it was very very well done. Yeah, I'm in total agreement. It's a very special episode of this show that it's weird that this show has the opportunity to do it, but I'm kind of glad that they set what might be considered a precedent for this kind of thing moving forward. So next month we're going to be back and we're going to be cracking open the sixth season of Barney Miller. I'm really excited for this because this fifth season has been really strong.

I mean, this is probably some of the best stuff that we've seen. I know, Chris that we've said a few times this feels familiar, but I feel like they've got this down to an art now, so we will probably still keep saying that it feels familiar. Well, and I'm so excited to see Barney Miller going into the eighties. Yeah, Like that for me is the excitement point here, because like, these goofy guys make sense in the seventies, but I'm ready to see what the world looks like with them in the eighties. Yeah.

I get ready for Reaganomics. Buddy trickling on down, Baby, I got my mouth opened the tiniest little drop for me. Until we come back next month to talk about the first three episodes of the sixth season, Inquisition, the photographer and vacation, Richard, what have you been up to? I know, striking? Okay, never mind strike, it strike that.

I think suddenly it's an episode of All in the Family. So we're gonna talk about this. I am. I am on strike with the rest of the Writer's Guild, soon to be joined by the Director's Guild and possibly the Actors Guild. So as as as as the giant studios and conglomerates absolutely lose control of their workforce and what they think they control in Hollywood.

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