Echoes

Echoes, echoes, echoes, echoes. That's the episode episode, episode that we're gonna talk about about about about now from Fear Itself season one and only second to last episode, directed by Rupert wain Wright of The Fog Remake and Stigmata, And probably the thing that I would think well got him those jobs, amongst others, is that he did a whole bunch of the mc hammer videos, including Can't Touch This Yep, I thought you were going to say blank check oh and blank check yes obviously. The Heights well and written by Sean Hood, who has had an interesting career. His IMDb is very odd. It reads as if like he retired two years ago, but I don't know what's up with that.

He wrote Halloween Resurrection Cube two, although I think from what I've read he's he's somebody that has like written a lot himself, Like he's blobbed a lot and has a lot of his own like reflections out there on the internet. So I think Cube two he wrote a script for it. A lot of what he wrote is not on screen. M same thing for something else that he wrote, where he said basically alike, look I got paid for it, but I didn't actually really contribute anything to it. He also wrote the Conan the Barbarian remake that I really like, and the episode of season one of Masters of Horror Sick Girl, which you and I both enjoyed quite a bit.

Oh did he I didn't. He's not on there. Yeah, pretty interesting. Um. I I think I love Halloween Resurrection.

I enjoy it. It's get I get it, but it's like it's not good, but I enjoy it. Well, that's this is my counter. I used to like just like like it, Like, oh, I like Halloween Resurrection, and I'll defend it because I like it and I have a fun time with it. And the cast is kind of like backdoor awesome.

Ye like, oh hey, look at all the people in this it's weird. Um, but I'm definitely before they were famous. Vibe to that movie, yeah for sure. I don't know if you when the last time you watched it was, but we watched it somewhat recently, all of that web series Internet Time Fucking Genius yep, yep um. I saw it in the theater, I remember, um, forcing friends, I think we might have stuck and we did a double feature and I really wanted to see that one um and I enjoyed it when I saw it.

I'm like, the only real objection I would have that I I'm the only objection I understand. Like Brandt, I had it on the other day because it's been airing on like AMC or something, and Brandon like came in the room. It was gonna sit down for a while. He's like, Kim, you please watch something else, because for him, he just finds that like what they do with the ending an H two O and undoing it and how they kind of treat Jamie La Curtis, like that is bullshit, Like yeah, it's crappy, Like it would have been better if she just wasn't in it, for sure, but at the same time, they got her in it and probably were able to get people to come see it because of that. But the and it's like it's dumb, but it's it embraces its dumb dumbness, and the webcam stuff is really it's ahead of its time.

It is you know, it wasn't the first movie to do that, but it's one of the first that really got that particular style of reality show meets live stream meets horror like it and it does that very well. They I mean, there our main character who is somebody but I can't remember because I'm not looking at it right now. Um, she is guided to safety through the magic of texting yeah yeah, and and like there. I don't know. There's just something you watch it and it feels so things that because I saw this in the theater two um, things that felt at the time maybe like like stupid or fantastical or didn't make sense.

There's there's aspects of it that obviously they that weren't technically possible at the time, or if it was, wouldn't have looked the way it did. But watching it in two thousand, I probably watched it last year two thousand nineteen versus when it came out in two thousand and four or something I don't remember when it was two thousand and two. Is like night and Day. In two thousand and two, it kind of played hokey like that that premise specifically, because obviously trick or treat motherfucker is what it is. And if you hate Tyr in it, you hate Tyra in it.

And if you if you obviously I have a stuff a problem with the Jamie Lee stuff too. I that h two l the ending of HOI have not been silent about this point, but it was very cathartic for me, and I fucking hated that they undid it because I hate Michael Meyer. Yeah, it's funny. Brandon and I were just having this conversation because he was saying, He's like, well, I know you don't like H two. I'm like, no, no, I don't.

Um. I think I think hbo h hbo H two O. I am harder on it because it was just embodied everything I didn't like at the time about nineties horror. I would I will concede it is a good movie, but I find it very unsatisfying except for that ending. I think that is the perfect ending for that movie, and really that franchise in a way.

Yeah. So obviously when you see it undone and Undone to her detriment like she and then it takes her power away, It takes her, you know, it takes a lot of from that character away, and that that is kind of disappointing. And then what you get at the beginning of it of how you know her, her untimely dispatch is upsetting and stupid and I hated it. But if you remove that and just get to the house when the kids, Yeah, kids and the web series premise. It's really cool because it's like fake but also real.

That that really hit me because they they fucking tried to produce this experience which is very a very still reality thing to do, and and they couldn't control the situation. I don't know, man, they I don't want to watch that right now, So I mean it's again we were talking off camera, off camera about cable and everything, like it's probably on AMC right Actually it's not on AMC right now. I can tell you that because Go Ship is on right now and I have it on mute. But it's ship. Um, this is the most magical time of year.

It totally is. It's it's funny too because I like, again, we're we're talking. We haven't talked about the episode yet. We promise you we will. But it's also the middle of October.

And it's funny because I talk to people at work They're like, oh, so, what do you watch now? I'm like, honestly, nothing different, like if anything, you know, I watched a dance movie the other night because I don't I watch horror all the time, Like I don't need to watch more of it in October because I'm watching. My viewing is horror on any given week. But what I love about this time is that the Normans get get it and they start to understand it a little more, and you'd flip channels and no matter what channel you land on, there's something Halloween. And that makes me very happy.

Yeah, I do appreciate feel it's the one time of year I feel truly catered to. Yeah, it with everything like oh, spooky potato chips? Great? Oh, what's that pumpkins flavored face mask? Yes?

Like I feel very much like scene. I wish this was all the time. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with your girl. Well, I'm glad we got we got to talk about that episode. Yeah that was great.

So next week is the finale. So I all right, so echoes um, which we're gonna spoil. I I think I again, I did not love this episode, but at least it was to me, it was friend. I think I definitely liked it more than you did based on what I've what I've gathered from your dry inch drops. I was unforgivably bored by this, that's fair.

Yeah, and I'm very sorry that I feel this way everyone involved, but I felt like it was very boring. It was very much I mean this in the exact way that I'm saying it. It was very much a man's story told through a male lens, and I just could bring myself to care about anything that's fair. It was just like, great, yeah, I don't know what's happening, but anyways, Eric Balfour is in this not enough, and when he is, the picture is treated in a very unpleasant way. Um.

Eric Balfour is extremely handsome, and it was sad that I couldn't see him. Also the boy that played Pyro and X Men two or the guy the main guy into the Twelve Monkeys series. So I saw saw an IMDb but Zach was like, do you know who that is? And I was like, I've never seen that person before in my life, and then he gave me hints until I screamed pyrom. So that's where we were at watching this.

That's fair. Go into a synopsis because I want to hear your synopsis of this. Oh my, So the IMGB synopsis is a friendly man discovered that he was a sadistic murderer in a previous life. Was he a friendly man. I don't know, seems like a judgment call.

Yeah. So Pyro from X Men two moves into this place and his girlfriend, who or not even his girlfriend, this girl that he talks to a lot, is like, why did you move into this place? And he's like, I don't know. I looked at a lot of places, and then this is the place I moved into. And immediately he starts saying like, it feels like I've been here before and I can picture things and it's real strange and now I'm gonna black out.

And then he's like, I'm Eric Balfour in the past and like the twenties. I think, yeah, And also there's this blond lady here and um, I murder her and maybe other people and is this happening? And Christine stopped paying attention, so I think that he was. Was he really past life regressing? I still don't really understand it quite frankly, because he's going to his therapist and then doing like um hypnotic therapy where he's he's going under hypnosis and talking as Eric Balfour with this like southern twenties accent, and but he's also blacking out in real life where he's sort of like taking on that persona and basically being an asshole, which and this is the problem.

I liked the concept of the Here's what I liked about the episode. I liked that it was the twenties because it's not an era we see um very often at all. And when we think the twenties, like there's certain things we think of, and like, sure we think of flappers, but like there wasn't an aspect of like if you were a partying, if you were somebody that like went out and drank and had a good time at a bar, like you were doing some seedy shit, Like the twenties were pretty seedy. The reason we had the Hayze code was because like the twenties had gotten so quote unquote morally like bankrupt that flapper parties like yeah, like women were making out and like there was it was much more like pan sexual and all of that than we ever really like think, just because we think it was so long ago that oh they were having sex before marriage and that was it.

Like no, no, no, they were having like five sons like it was a thing. So I liked that this kind of like wild party sense to it. But I have I don't really know what was going on. Yeah, I mean, so this is what I kind of gleaned from it. So our main character is in love with this woman, but he can't like touch her or like he's just kind of too afraid to say anything.

But she's always around, Yeah, which is just weird perpetrating. Like they are in a relationship, which is fine, they have like a weird complex thing happening, but she's the girl in in his Eric Balfour style blackouts, right, Yes, Okay, I just making sure because because I did get confused, and part of it was because it was I think a little confusing, but also because I had a hard time like committing my energy to this. It was again like it was daring me to carry. Yeah, I looked away from it a lot, so and I didn't want to take a lot of words of friends while watching. So he is having these these like visions of another time or world and Eric he's Eric Balfour and Eric Balfour super jealous and like wants to be with this lady but like not as as like she's like promiscuous and like, I don't know, he's not happy with her overall behavior.

So that starts to bleed into Pyro's world with the same girl, but he is like, I don't we're not together, but I don't like you talking to this guy or something, and and then ah, he we think that he Eric Balfour murders his flapper girlfriend, but the flapper girlfriend ended up murdering Eric Balfour. Yeah, and it wasn't it was happening. But also Pyro had super secret news clippings of these events before he moved into the house. So what was he really or was he just like I don't know either, and no, I didn't get it either. In the end, I was hoping you watched it closer, but like, and I don't.

I actually think that that is interesting, Like because when he first moved in, there was this box and his girlfriend was like, what about this box? And he was like, leave it alone, and that's my special box. So like when the reveal was like, oh, in the boxes all this information about these two people are you like? So he wasn't having past life regression because he already knew about all of them, except he was because it ended up the events ended up unfolding and repeating. Yeah, because he at the same thing happens where she's taken a bath and he like, also, like, did he rape her the night before?

Did he just have rough sex with her and she liked it? Do we know? Did you get that? Um? I don't remember that.

All I can think about is the Werewolf episode. Yeah. See the other thing now that now that we said this, I did my DVD was the director's cut, which I don't know if that meant anything, um, because it's pretty hard to figure out and nobody has taken the time to write the difference between between it. Although no, you probably had the same because if this was unaired, then I wonder if they only ever packaged this one. I don't know, Like there's a scene at the party or after the party when like he goes into her bedroom and he's kind of like it seems to cut away to him coming at her, and then the next morning he can't remember anything, or he could like it seems like he does remember it, and she's like, oh, yeah, you finally made a move last night, which I don't know if that meant yeah, he finally raped her and she liked it.

I don't know. It was confusing and like, on one hand, I think maybe somebody had an interesting idea as far as like mail aggression and this guy who clearly is kind of, you know, just not assertive, and so he's channeling this contract killer from the nineteen twenties who could get what he wanted by using violence, and so he, you know, is try trying to like channel that in order to you know, get what he wants and not you know, stand up. Um. But the problem I had was also, and this isn't that surprising for this Jaunt disfranchise, is that the female character is so whatever she needs to be in that moment that now she's angry that he's being intense, but its scene ago she wanted to have sex with him because he was being intense.

And it's just so you're right, it is a man story where she is only there to move things to where they need to be, and it's unfortunate. Yeah, there's the there is an interesting like when I summarized it, eventually, there was an interesting There's interesting things there, like the implication of um, having to pretend that this is who you were in a past life to to actualize in the way that you want to and then it ends up being that way. Anyways, so do past lives even matter or is it just the patterns that we fall into? So there's interesting stuff there, but I don't I did a lot of work. I just did a lot of work for this thing.

And I want to do some work because it's fun, but I don't want to do all of it. No, no stuff, Yeah, not not for a forty three minute episode of television. No. And and it's a barmer And I feel like I didn't have to do like an assload of work for something like spirit Box, like it gave me. It gave me a very clear narrative and in any implications I can I can get to very easily on my own.

Yeah. Well there's also you know, there's nothing wrong with challenging, complex storytelling in a forty three minute episode, but you have to be good enough that I want to be challenged. And if you're not interesting enough early on and I'm drifting away, then you're a part of it's my fault that I didn't pake loose enough attention, but part of it's your fault that you didn't tell me a story that I wanted to take less enough attention to. Yeah, and I made I made kind of a I was kind of shitty about the treat the past nineteen twenties treatment on the picture, but like, if you go to the IMDb, there's two nineteen twenties stills in it, like with Eric Balfour, and it is so much easier to look at.

I know that they needed to different differentiate past from present with like so they wanted to make it clear visually, but like it was really hard to look at, really hard to care about, trying to look through this fuzzy orange play. And I think they really tried. I watched there's a like five minute director featurette for the Freach episode, and on this one, like he spends most of it talking about like how he tried to visually identify the two eras, so the walls are green or the walls are red, and you know, and it's one of those it's like, it's nice that you tried, but it just didn't look that good in the end, So I don't know that you you really accomplished that much of what you were going for.

It was unpleasant to look at, Like, yeah, and you have again a just distractingly handsome man, and I'm and I can't be bothered to pay attention. That's a lot for me. Yeah, Like it takes a lot to take me out that much. And but I kept like feeling my hand go to my phone and be like, no, put it down. I don't like that feeling.

No, No, I'm with you. Yeah, this is not one i'd really recommend. Um. I don't think it's the worst one. I think it tries something interesting, but I don't think it does much with it.

So yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame, yea um. But yeah, better than still a lot of the Masters of Horror episode. So we watched for sure. I didn't get like offended or angry watching it.

Yeah that's something. Yeah. All right, Well that was echoes, which means the next time we record it is going to be the finale of the mofi's yep, how about that. We will figure out then what other things we will do next. Uh, and of course we will have our ranking of the season, so come prepared with that.

Oh boy, I have to do that as you do. Oh yes, oh yes, I know. All right. Everybody. On that note, enjoy whatever time of day it is when you're listening to this episode.

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