213: Looking Out of the Fish Tank

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I'm Brian. I'm Marlena. I'm Alan. And we're coming to you live via. Digital recording from the Dreamland Film Center here in Louisville.

And with that, we will also welcome from the Louisville Film Society, Tracy. Hi, guys. So, we've actually been working with you pretty. Much since both of us started this. Yes.

If you guys have been hanging around listening to this for a long time, at least once a year we go and hang out with Tracy and Ryan and everybody at Louisville Film Society and At least get in on the Flyover Film Fest, but we've done a little bit here and there. We've been planning on doing a lot of stuff. Over the years, and it always gets away from us. It's true. But now you've got your home base here, so we're going to try to do more stuff with you guys.

Yeah, that sounds good. Now that we're settled a little bit. Yeah, it's come together. We did just make it up here, actually. You've started doing this year's stuff, and I came up here for the The Silent Festival, which I guess I'll let you go into, but it was kind of nice.

Ben made it that night. We hung out here and watched Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin and had live music. So is that the big focus you guys are doing right now? That's a monthly screening that we're doing, a monthly series that we're doing. So that's kind of the, I'll say it's like the flagship for right now.

We'll be running that through May. And so you saw Buster versus Charlie, so who won? In my mind, and this is... Odd, because I always. I think I just hadn't seen a ton of Buster Keaton.

I was kind of familiar with him, and I'd seen bits and pieces, but I don't know how much I'd sat down and watched. And I'd seen a little more of. Chaplin, but again, I always thought I was a little more into the Chaplin idea. Buster Keaton kicked his ass. He really did.

I know. You lean a little more towards Charlie in your. Chaplin's big thing is his features. I've got a big tin set of his shorts, and they're fun, but they're nothing like his. Yeah, they're not as powerful.

The kid I cry every time, like in modern times, the closing shot of them walking, because it's his last appearance as the tram, and so you can't help but. That's the end of that era and everything. Yeah, so what that series is, though, is it's Charlie Chaplin shorts and Buster Keaton shorts, two of each, and they go up against each other. So we watch one, then we watch another. But the thing that's really cool about it, beyond the fact that they're just awesome, is that we have a live band that performs with it.

Which is very cool. Yeah, so in January we had Your Friendly Neighborhood Big Band, which is a 14-piece big band. Which was kind of amazing in this room. Yes, in this room. So, you know, 14 people were in the band and we'd have 40 people in the audience.

And it got a little hot. But they actually composed the original music for that show. So that was very, very... It was very nice of them and very special. And I was surprised, like, as we sat down, and we were, like, two seats away from the trombone, I was just like, oh, we're going to get blown away.

They were actually, like, I. Don't know if they just planned it out really well, but it was not, I mean, to be that close to a big band, it was not overwhelming. It's really good. Well, they're, I mean, they are professional musicians. They're all, most of them are UofL-trained musicians who have met there, so this is their thing that they do, not necessarily always live shows to silent film, but they perform at Knock.

Bar once a month. They are ongoing performances. They've been at lots of street bests and stuff like that. So they kind of know how to play to a room. Yeah.

Um, so we were really, really grateful for that. They did a great job. Yeah. And then next month in February. So again, we're doing this every month.

So in February we'll have bourbon Baroque. So it'll be a different kind of music. That's kind of funky classical music that's coming up. Um, and then after that, we're going to actually have a DJ the next month, um, which is glitter tits who actually performs. Yes.

It performs at, um, Who DJs at Zanzibar every Saturday night. So that's like the hottest dance party that's in town right now. So he's going to DJ to it. So it's going to be interesting to see the variety of genres that come up through it. It's really interesting mixing up the set.

Because I've seen a lot of stuff done with live music and silent. I have a good portion of which has been through you guys. But again, it's usually within one type or another. It's not really varied. So this is kind of an interesting experience.

Yeah, and we're hoping that we have repeat customers that people won't get. there'll be different films each time. There's going to be different groups each time or different performers each time. So it is a, hopefully it's going to build buzz over these next months. By the time April gets here, you won't be able to get a seat. Well, I mean, it's, it's worth coming to see the movies anyway, but I think it's really interesting adding this live music and adding a different type of live music.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of, I mean, our venue, we have an intimate venue and definitely live music is, Mixing live music with film in one way or another, even if it's having a film that's thematically attached and then a band play afterwards or vice versa, like, that's kind of a niche that we're trying to fill here because it does seem like just we have to get multimedia. In order to catch attention and because... It's just the wave of the future.

I think it works really well with the audiences, too. Everybody's sort of more drawn to that kind of stuff. It's more of a show. Nowadays, you can watch a movie at home. Yeah, exactly.

Nothing compares to going to a movie theater, but. People are kind of desensitized. Yeah. It adds an element to it. Exactly.

And we know that we're not really competing with the multiplex. We're not really competing with Tinseltown or anything like that. You don't want to. Exactly. We're competing more with art galleries and more people who are looking at film as art. and what we want to do is challenge our audiences to be more engaged with what's going on so we encourage discussions afterwards if we can if and when we find experts we want them to come and talk about the films one way or another we invite a lot of filmmakers and You know, we invite costume designers and sound designers and things like that, too, so they can just add another layer to the experience.

So it's another reason for you to get out of. The house and not just watch it on Netflix. Or rent it from Wild and Wooly. You work with those crazy movie meltdown people. Exactly, exactly.

They yammer on about movies all the time. Exactly. So, I mean, we're trying to support a scene that's blossoming all the time and has been for a long time. We've been around for six years. It's been building.

Yeah, this town is so weird anyway. People will really get into stuff, but it's so hit and miss. So it is kind of hard finding your group and hanging on to them. Yeah. And as a nonprofit, I mean, it's our challenge.

It's our challenge to challenge the people in town who say they want to support this to support this. That's what I'm going on and on about. Exactly. So it's like I know people. We showed New Jerusalem this weekend, which was a Will Odom film.

And we did have, we had a nice turnout. It was fine or whatever. But the people who said they were going to come and the people who showed up were two different things. But the first thing that happened this morning was people were like, when are you going to encore that? And it was like, dude, you got to help me here.

It was here all weekend. Come on. It was here all weekend. And I get that maybe you couldn't come to it. But I'm not encoring it until you guys show up, basically.

Yeah, we can't. Have a reason to encore it until enough people show up each time to make us need to encore it. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. And the other layer of that, too, is, like I said, we're a non-profit, so we're a membership-based non-profit.

So even people who can't necessarily come to every screening, but they want to make sure that Art House Cinema is happening here in town, if you become a member, then that's paying for a third of a distribution for some strange film anyway. Yeah. Every time someone signs. Up, that's just making sure that we get to do creative programming and not have to, you know, appeal to the lowest common denominator. And stuff like that.

Which is what we're at at this point. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to start getting strip clubs to advertise on here. I think that's where it's come to. You should totally get strip clubs to advertise on here.

At this point, I have a duty. That's where to start. They have the classiest ads. There you go. Exactly.

They always have the grossest looking women in those ads. Yeah. Let's not think it's the way. That's mine. To each their own.

It's like they're just not good photography. No, it's like. I don't think they're worried about it. Photography. It's like with a camera phone, but not even like an iPhone or anything.

It's like a 2003 flip phone. Oh, right. So like bad lighting. Yeah. No, it's like, it's really, it's the really tattoo ads.

It's really good. Okay. Either way. Hey, I've been to this place and had it last. I know, you almost got killed at least once.

Well, that was a different time. But I had a great time and the girls are not very attractive, but they're very nice girls. There you go. Very nice girls. Personality that's what you want in a stripper exactly it is.

True it's just they always try to come and talk to you it's like you know i'm happy to have a conversation with you but you're just trying to sell me a lap job a lap dance. I did have one stripper she was a very i don't know how do you a seasoned and she tried to take my shirt off and it was really weird. Yeah yeah well it's got to be a Show for you and her. She wants a little something too, you know. I think strippers are always happy when the girls are there.

I don't even. Know what to do with that. So let's leave it alone. And that was a tangent. Tangent number one.

So I guess just to, we usually do some sort of little geek activity. So aside from this week's movie, Tracy, what else have you been watching lately? I have been, well, I'm A, obsessed with the film Fish Tank right now. That's what I've been on about. We will get to that.

Yes. But some kind of companion piece to that, I was trying to match these up today. I saw Lars and the Real Girl for the first time last night, which was crazy. Like, I did not know. I mean, I had seen the cover, and I knew what the plot was, but I didn't understand it was going to be This thing about the delusional man that everybody was going to.

That everyone was going to. Entertain his delusion. I didn't understand that that was what was going to happen. So I was like, wow, this is wild. And it was just, you know, that was very interesting.

So that was my most recent thing. Did you like it? I liked it a lot, yeah. I did like it a lot. I mean, I think that it's not...

It wasn't perfect in any way, shape, or form. But I kind of like movies that are... Like, I could tell someone... They just made that up. They didn't watch something else, and then they were like, okay, go ahead.

Well, here's the thing. Have any of you seen Love Object? No, I haven't. Now, Lars and the Rogue came out, I believe, 2005? Something like that, yeah.

So a couple years, a friend of mine, I was talking about this, and he said, have you seen Love Object? And I said, no. So he gave me this DVD to borrow, and it came out a few years before Lars and the Rogue. It's about this guy who lives by himself, and he's lonely. And a coworker shows him about a website where you can order a sex doll, like a realistic thing.

He gets it and falls in love and has this romance. So the same thing, except it's a horror movie. Yay! Because in his mind, like the, I mean, the doll comes to life, but then in Lars and the Rogue Girl, you know, he's kind of like this real life romance with the one girl and the doll is kind of his transition into working with this. Yes.

In Love Object, his doll gets jealous. There you go. And it gets really fucking gruesome. Yeah. And it's awesome.

There you go. I'll have to watch that. It's really exactly the same thing as a horror movie. There you go. Do you think that the Lars and the Real Girl people knew about Love Object?

Like, can you see things beyond just the actual, the plot of it? I mean, I suppose the idea of, you know, a lonely man falls in love with a sex doll isn't too terribly far-fetched that, like, two people can. Come to that independently. For some people, it's life. Anyway.

But there are, there are, I don't know, it could go either way. There are no similarities that I feel like they must have been aware of the idea. Yeah. Yeah. This, I, my sociology professor made us watch a documentary about men that are in love with their love dolls.

And I'm not sure when that came out, but I don't know. It's like a big thing. There's like. conventions and things for it now so yeah. There's a whole thing because i think one of the was it hoarders or one of those weird obsessed people shows oh had my strange obsession that had like a whole episode about just like people that are obsessed with and there was like a guy who was married and still had one and like she was like part of the family almost like the wife put up with it it was some weird scenario they had going where she was just kind of accepting of whatever, this is his thing, you know, I can't really. There you go.

Some guys like to build model trains. Some guys like to go fishing. Well, I mean, it's like that 30 Rock episode with James Franco, and he. Has his body pillow. It's like that.

Well, there's two other movies I think of that are about the doll situation, and one of them's May, which, like, so there's that, and that's, like, the female version, so it's about building the doll, right? And about, like, about finding the body pillow to make this. Yeah, that's what I like. There you go. And the other film, the 80s film, Pin.

Have you guys ever seen Pin? No. I know of it. Yeah, it's a very. Creepy movie, but it's about an educational doll.

There are two children, and the father was a doctor, and the doctor had this doll that he would teach them about their bodies through, this doll. And then he dies, and the son's obsessed with the doll for the rest of his life. And it's a horror movie, too. It's really scary. I'm just sticking to Roman.

You get a real girl, you don't have to have a doll. There you go. If you think about it, I. Guess this is just a theme that's been going on forever. Like, Pinocchio is kind of like this.

You know, like a. I cannot pronounce that word right now. But you know what I'm saying. Like, of dolls and things like that, I think that's. There was an episode of House.

Like, it was in the last season when they ran out of things to come up with everything. Like, I had to die and that was a sex doll. There you go. They gave it an MRI. There was actually a mass and they had to do a biopsy.

That's awesome. And he was trying to carry on a romance. It was funny. I bet there's a long SVU about this somewhere. There has to be.

I mean, they've been doing those shows for so long. They've had to do everything at this point. There's only so many CSIs you can do until you loop back around again. I don't know. So true.

Oh, man. So. I guess, on that creepy sex doll. Yeah. We will take a break here and come back with this week's equally as odd movie.

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It's time for Sofa Theatre. Oi! Let go of me, man! What's wrong with you? You're what's wrong with me!

Don't mind me, girl. Carry on. I'm a friend of your mother's. You coming? Where you going?

I know somewhere we can get some drink. Yeah, you're 15 years old. What does it matter if you like someone? You need to sort them out, you do. So you keep saying, but you don't know nothing.

So why should I listen? In your room. Tell your mum I don't care what you do. Yeah, yeah. Aye aye, Simon tells me you're up to no good.

Even though we know somehow. Life's a bitch and then you die. That's why we get high. Cause you never know when you're gonna go. Life's a bitch and then you die.

That's why we puff live. Cause you never know when you're gonna go. Life's a bitch. Alright, so welcome back to Moving Hot Down Sofa Theater. This week's Sofa Theater feature is Fish Tank.

The year is 2009. Director, Andrea Arnold. The plot, according to IMDb, and I'm going to read it all American-like. Everything changes for 15-year-old Mia when her mother... I like that it says mom in here.

When her mother brings. Home a new boyfriend. So with that spoiler alert, there's at least. There's a big moment I didn't see coming. So yeah, go watch Fish Tank before you get into this because we'll ruin everything.

Had you not seen this before? No, I had not seen it. It's another one I meant to watch, and then as you brought it up, I was like, well, that's a good reason right there. Let's go with that. I watched it a few months ago because I had a coworker, a friend, she was in love with Michael Fassbender.

She's like, you need to see Fish Tank. He's never been better. One day she came into work. It was a whole thing at work, and she came in. She's like, guys, I don't love Michael Fassbender anymore.

We're like, why? She's a huge feminist. She's like, because I heard that he beats his girlfriends. I need to find a new crush now. No.

It's like, as I'm watching Fish Tank for the second time, like, all I can see is, like, when he's, you know, fucking the 15-year-old girl. It's like, this guy beats his girlfriend. Do we know that that's true? I mean, like, I don't know. Like, I don't know if it was, like, of course, you know, there's, you know, I don't know.

If it's, like, a regular thing or if it was maybe, like, he slipped up one time. Like, not that I'd want to justify any of the, you know. Tell her she needs to go up to Tom Hardy now. Because he's very good to his wife. There you go.

Well, there you go. Very good. So where would you like to begin with. Fish tank well let's see what did everybody here like it do you dislike it i very. Much liked it i liked it a lot more the second time the first time i was like i liked it i was kind of didn't was didn't really get emotionally involved in the second time like i did much more okay like i couldn't really even say why i just i just did.

Well, it was one of those things. It had been on my list for a really long time, and I've had two people who I trust a lot. They just kept being like, you need to watch this movie. You need to watch this movie. And I tried it a couple of times, but I watched Netflix on a Roku box, so I couldn't get subtitles.

So I just couldn't do it. I cannot understand English accents. I can't do it. So I have to have subtitles. And that was not too bad, actually, in this movie.

Yeah. I mean, the second time I watched it, well, okay, so here's the story. Then I went to my friend Pamela's, and all she has is a computer. So I watched it on the computer with the subtitles, finally, and was in total and complete love with it. And then I watched it again at home, and now.

I understood what was happening. But I had to have the first time translated for me. So if people watch it and If any of our listeners watch it and the same thing happens to the film, just turn on the subtitles. I promise it'll be good. Eventually I did, but it's almost because sometimes they would just be saying.

Things quietly and I wasn't sure I was hearing. So it wasn't so much the accent for me as like, wait, what did she just do? It's just catching everything along the way. Speaking of that, I was just curious, have you seen Rat Catcher? No, I haven't seen Rat Catcher.

It actually made me think of Rat Catcher because Lynn Ramsey, who also knew me, talked about Kevin. She makes movies about fucked up kids. Yeah. And Rat Catcher, I was like, I was five minutes in, and the Scottish accents are so fucking thick. They're just thick.

You're like, I can't do it. I just could not. But then it was really bothersome because they're using Scottish slang, but the subtitles are American English. And so I was like, I know this is not what they're saying. Yeah.

Anyway, it's. It's a good movie you should watch it since we brought up the subtitles that's one i wanted to ask you because to me it's almost funny that that one i guess see if on your version did it even tell you what song was playing mine did yeah yes. So i'm like if they're going to the like assuming that this is actually for someone who can't hear and they're trying to set the mood and at least give you like specifics on like what the song is and everything It was still, like, it struck me funny that they didn't actually, like, they had it spelled out. In proper English that it was. Mother, or I will see you later.

Now, I did later. And when she ends it later, I'm like, shouldn't. It say, shouldn't the subtitle be later? That's true. Well, I mean, I think that's a conundrum of how you do subtitles.

Because it is, I mean, I do think a lot of times that the subtitles on there aren't for people who are hard of hearing. They are for people, for us. Exactly. Wait, what is she saying? Well, the fuck's your problem?

Your terrible dancing's my problem. Look, Lea, just don't start. You can tell Kaylee since when did you have such ugly friends? Talk about ugly, you skanky little piehead. If you want some fucking more, you know where we are.

You all need a subtitle? I watched it on my mom's computer last night. And her volume was arcing, so. I mean, I could hear it. A little bit, but I couldn't fully make out what they were saying.

I like it wasn't so bad. Again I don't. Think it was accents I was just making sure I was because it did go once or twice and I went wait I don't know what she just. Said oh no I watch British stuff all the time like that wasn't cool yeah no I really have a hard time with British accents I don't know why it's just the way it is like I used to well this is a side note but I used to give tests like I used to. Be a test giver for like GREs and stuff like that and someone would come in and they would be Iranian or they would be whatever and that would be fine it would be great but if they.

Came in and they were English I was like I don't know what you're saying to me. Like, it's just like, what is it we like? Since we both speak the same language. That's not better. We speak American.

It's different. Exactly. I am from Kentucky. Shh, don't tell anybody. There we go.

But that brings me to something, though. Like, this movie, for me, in a lot of ways, like, yes, she's in England. She's in Essex, England. in the 2000s and stuff and I was a young girl in small town. Kentucky in the 90s but I we are the same person when I was when I was 13 she's 15 but it's like we are the same person and it's just like so for me those people who were. Like you need to watch this movie were like because this is you.

And I'm like, oh, okay, this is great. So I have hope for Mia that everything's going to be okay when she gets the whales. You know, like, tonality-wise, I feel like it reminded me a lot of Winter's Bone for some reason. I think it was, like, the bleakness of her life. And the set was just so spot-on.

Like, I don't know what it's like to be a poor person in England, but, like, you could imagine, you could feel just, like, everything was so, like, in disarray so perfectly that it was, like, it felt so real. Yeah. Well, I think it was. Again, she didn't have a huge budget, so I think everything is where it was. Like, they just went on location and went, here, say these lines.

Yeah, and both of those girls are non-actors, so both the sisters are non-actors, and she directs in a way, she does not give everyone the whole script. I've read that. They get a script a week at a time. That's really interesting. Yeah, so, like, with Mia.

With the character, Katie Jarvis. I think it was Jarvis. Katie Jarvis. Yeah, Katie Jarvis who played Mia. She's, again, non-actor.

She actually was found because she was arguing with her boyfriend on a subway platform. In that train station where. They shoot that cat. So she's arguing with her boyfriend, so... The casting director's like, you need to be in this movie.

And she's like, okay, I guess I'll be in the movie. I like the way you say fuck. Yeah, exactly. Like, you come do this. And so that's how she got in this film to begin with.

And then Andrea Arnold, it just sounds like she's very sympathetic to actors. And so she would, almost everything, if she wasn't in a scene with another person, it would just be the two of them shooting. So they would just, in those. Rooms, In the room where she's dancing all the time, she's just dancing for the director. She's not dancing for a crew of people and stuff.

So that's really interesting that Andrea Arnold does that. And this is her second film. So the first film was Red Road, which I never saw. I still, yeah, now I want to go back and see it. Yeah, now I want to see it.

And then Fish Tank and then Wuthering Heights, which I guess is going to come out on DVD at some point. And it played a flyover, everybody. But I think she's really interesting and does a really good job. And. This movie is bleak.

It is a bleak place or something that she's in. But, again, like, I'm optimistic for her. Like, I think she's okay. I think that. I think you get that way in the beginning.

Yeah. And I can see people stopping halfway through and being like, I can't deal with this. Yeah. This is just rough. Yeah.

Yeah. But when I compare it to something like Winter's Bone or compare it to something like. I had an old friend of mine who. Used to call them killing puppies movies. Like the movies where it's just like, oh, this whole movie is just about.

Killing the puppies. Like Gummo. Yeah, Gummo. Which is literally about killing cats or something. Yeah, those things.

I don't feel like this movie is quite that because she has a bad experience. Something bad happens to her, and I'm saying that in quotation marks. But she's not a victim. She's a strong person. I mean, I think it's really. the overwhelmingness of her life that is more grim.

Like, the whole thing that goes down in the middle there, I'm like, again, she was willing. I mean, it's not right the way it happened, but I'm just like, yeah, it shouldn't really mess her up. That part shouldn't mess her up. I think it was just. Her life as a whole is kind of grim.

And then, you know, it works itself out. The story overall kind of works itself out for her. Yeah, exactly. I mean, she's a very unnurtured person. She's never been nurtured.

That's what it is. And the only nurturing she's getting is from a predator. And it's like, but he's a charming predator. And it's like, for. The most part, he's a pretty good guy.

Until that's me. Yeah. I didn't see. Him necessarily as a predator. Like, he shouldn't have done what he did.

Like, that's not just, it didn't feel like he was just like, I'm going to fuck this teenager. I felt like he really did like her and care for her. He just, like, he got really drunk, made a really inappropriate mistake, and then, you. Know, like. Yeah, I kind of read it a little bit differently.

Like, I read. Like, not okay. Yeah, no, I mean, again, I don't want to go back to, like, I don't think that people have necessarily, like, strange sexual experiences that are inappropriate, and that's, like, the end of the world, and you need to just go crawl under a rock or anything like that. But I do think that. He is seducing her from jump.

Like, all those scenes... Like, he is. And I didn't know... And I didn't really... I didn't know what to do with it until they slept together.

Like, all the other scenes. When he puts her to bed and he takes her pants off. When he sees her in her underwear and he doesn't go away. When he takes off his shirt for her. And all that kind of stuff.

It's like, until they slept together, I was like, this is really ambiguous. I don't know what's going on. But when they slept together, I was like, no, this is what he's been doing this whole time. Now, it's natural... I think it's natural.

I think they have an attraction that it's... That's what, yeah. It's natural. It almost felt like he was just playing it that way. Like, it could have never gone down there.

But he knew that she, like, because she's very, from that moment, like, that moment he walks in the kitchen, she does not take her eyes off. No, because you can't. And you, you know, I'll give you that one. Yeah. We were talking the hot guys earlier.

Yes. Most of them, I'm like, no, no, no, but Michael Fassbender's pretty damn hot. Yeah. That's a straight dude. I'm like, I'm sorry.

I'll give you that one. Yeah. He's pretty damn hot. Well, and that's, and that's because Andrew Arnold is, That's what she's done as she has framed him. Well, no, no.

She hopes. She wishes. No, she is framing him all the time to be the sex object. Mia is not a sex object in this movie. She doesn't understand sexuality yet.

She's looking at sex all the time. She's looking at those people that are in the rap videos. She's looking at her mother be sexy, and she's looking at those people who are getting it on at the party and stuff. And it's not registered. It's not registered.

She knows she's supposed to do it. That's why she's a dancer, in quotation marks again, everybody, because I guess she's talented. I don't know. I don't think she's talented. I think that was part of the bleakness of the movie.

She has one interest, and she isn't good at it. I think she's better than those other girls. Those other girls are really nice. Those girls are really nice. Really bad but it's like so I think that in this movie she's and I think it happens with all the girls like the younger sister she she's there's a part where she's smoking cigarettes with her friend and stuff and they're all trying to act old at the same time that Andrea Arnold's showing you the kitty cats that are all over everything so it's like she's not old she's cussing she's smoking she's gonna she will try to be sexy in a year and a half but she is not this age this is inappropriate she's doing this It's inappropriate that Mia is– it's not inappropriate she's trying to figure out sex.

She should try to be figuring out sex. She's 15 years old, but that she has this super hot man in the house who doesn't. Know boundaries is the wrong way to do it. And then even when it comes out. That Conor, Michael Fassbender's– um, character has a daughter, the way you see the daughter is that she's singing this sexy song.

Yeah. And it's like, and she's like six. And it's like, what, this is a movie about, like, how people are pushed to be, how girls, you don't really see the dudes, but, like, you, girls are pushed to be. It's just so part of the culture. Yeah, and that's it.

You're a kid and you're singing a song. You don't even know what that song means. You're just singing a popular song. Yeah, because your parents told you to sing it. Because the mom sitting next to her going, tell him, come on.

Yeah, yeah. And she's singing it to her father. Yeah. It's so weird. What was the song it is?

I didn't know it. It was just like a breakup song. I think it was just like a popular contemporary Beyonce kind of song. Yeah, it was just that kind of song that was... An adult-themed song about a relationship.

And I'm like, this kid is what, six? Yeah. Yeah, so it's like, that's what's going on with it all. But at the same time, I don't think that she, that's. What's traumatizing her.

I think what's traumatizing her is that her mother hates her. And she has no home life. That's horrible. Do we know how old the mother was? I mean, obviously not old.

It was obviously probably a late teenage pregnancy. I tried to pay attention this time around to see if there was something that kind of gave a hint. How old she's supposed to be. Yeah, I don't think so much. But I'll say this.

She was hot. Like, the mom was, like, super attractive. Like, as in, like, she knew what sex was. In the way that you can see her getting a lot of guys. Like, those are the kind of girls that go out to the bars and come home with whoever they want in that bar scenario.

Because that's an easy picking for somebody that kind of looks like she does. Yeah. Yeah, she seemed very believable in that role as well. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think she, her and Michael Fossman are really the only people in the movie that have careers, like, who are, like, known actors. I don't really know that actress, but she has, if you go to her IG page, there's people, there's stuff on it. As opposed to everyone else. Unlike Katie Jarvis, who's not been in anything since. Hasn't done anything since.

She actually had a baby the next year. Again, following in Mia's footsteps. With the guy she was arguing on the platform with. She'd been with him since they were 13. And they're married now.

So I'm like. Well, see, they're sticking along. Was the actress 15 at the time? She was 16. So she's like 19.

Now or so. She's 20, I think it's now today. How's Chiang be having babies? Yeah. Married and having a kid.

And not acting. She said, I won't give the kid back, but I wish I'd waited. Which, I mean, I think that's a good thought to have. That's what most people say. At least you're not lying.

No, I meant to get pregnant at 13. Many girls tell themselves that on Maury every week. But I do like that. I do think that there are large parallels between something that's like kind of an urban-ish contemporary British town and small town Kentucky, small town Georgia. What I was going to go into is I think it's also almost like not completely timeless, but in the beginning I'm like, when is this?

Like you almost can't. Later, once you get to the songs, you pin it down that it's pretty modern day. But in the beginning, I'm like, the only real things we've got to go on is she has a CD player. Well, I'm like, CDs, sadly, CDs have been around for 30 years. Yeah.

So that's a huge window. That is crazy. Yeah. 30 years. There you go.

And so I'm like, really, this could be like early 90s. Yeah, except in the end they talk about now. But then like. It's the music that kind of makes it. And then like, wasn't she watching that like spoiled princesses show that's on MTV?

Isn't that. I didn't recognize it. But that. God, they're watching a whole lot of bullshit. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah but again i mean that could just be you know a version of that in britain that you know so i mean it still like was very like just sort of like nondescript as to when it was because even like the at one point the guy looked like he was wearing a grand theft auto shirt but i was like even then the first one came out in like 97 and i was like this could be like years ago and you can't really pin it but i and again it gets very technical by the end it is modern day but i kind of like the fact that It is almost, within the modern era, almost a timeless thing and almost a could-be-any-neighborhood-that's-not-well-to-do. It really could be in the. United States rural area or in the ghetto somewhere in any country in the world.

I think that was what was so interesting because the. Story works regardless. Like you were saying, you can kind of identify with these characters because, as specific as it is, It's like the more specific you make it, the more truth seems to be in there and you. Find those truths wherever you are. Yeah.

I don't know. Didn't anybody else have that where it just, it didn't seem, I don't know. I just felt like in the beginning, I. Was like, I have no idea what year this is going on in. Because he's into oldies, but I'm like, well, I mean, even in 90s.

James Brown was old. Yeah. You know, it's like all this stuff he's listening to. I'm like, he still would have been considered an old dude listening to his old dude music. The little girl would have made fun of him for liking it.

So I'm like, it didn't really like most of it that came into play. It wasn't really essential to a time period until you kind of get to the specific music. It's like, I don't know if that, if that was like a thing that Andrew Arnold's going for, if that just says more about the fact that our culture at the same time that we're accelerating all the time, everything's accelerating. And, and how we were talking earlier, that, Facebook outdoes MySpace in like a minute and all that kind of stuff. That there's so much of our culture, though, that's actually the same.

Like we're still dressing the same that we've dressed for 20 years. And we're still like I read an article once that was all about like how if you compare any 20 year period. Throughout the last 200 years. You will see the difference. The 50s look very different than the 70s.

The 70s look very different than the 90s, but the 90s do not look that different than the 2010s. I mean, the thing we were talking about with the eras thing, I think that's kind of true. These last 30 years have been, I mean, technologically. There's all these little changes, but like overall life is kind of the same. Well, I think that has something to do with the fact, not that it didn't change, just that it reverted back so quickly.

Normally it takes 20 years for something to become cool again. You know, like, stuff in the 80s wasn't cool until, it definitely wasn't cool in the 90s. Yeah. So, it's just, like, the 90s, it didn't take as long for it to come back in style because, like, things move so fast nowadays. Well, and things are so unhip now that you don't bother.

Like, there's not a trend that lasts for five years. It's five minutes, and then, like, oh, we moved on from that. So, like, nothing latches on. There is no identifying thing for years at a time. Things become retro quicker now.

That's it. I think it's both. I think they go out of style much. Because you look at the stuff in the 70s that was popular, it was almost that whole decade that that stuff hung on, where now you've got, like, a year or two, and, like, people are like, that is stupid. Why are you wearing that?

You know, like. they get really specific if it's the sort of fashion thing that people care about so because of that I think everybody falls back to. The same like we wear the same crap. We were wearing in the 90s yeah so maybe that's like I mean maybe that's the genius thing that Andrea Arnold did which is that she showed that exactly this thing that you're like it could be 1999 it could be 2010 it could be in. England it could be yeah it could be in England yeah and their. Clothes were pretty like nondescript you know she had like attracts you down the whole movie yeah and.

That's part i like that part a lot because it goes back to the she's not sexualized like she's not a sexualized person i mean she has someone who's like doing that who is objectifying her or whatever not even objectifying her he who is putting her in a sexual space but that's not natural to her at all so and. It's barely registering that yeah that isn't really even yeah she doesn't realize how conscious he is of what. Is going on and what he's doing. And, yeah, like, she doesn't really see any of it. Yeah.

To the point that she even seems sort of shocked when they get physically involved. Yeah. She's like, oh, okay, well, cool, I wanted this, but I didn't know you were into it. Like, she's so, like, out of the loop, even with him. She's just like, oh, I thought you thought I was a dorky kid.

I am a dorky kid, but that's not going to stop you from sleeping with me. There you go. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, and they do all those wonderful...

She does such good things, like with the camera, the show you think. Like, when the part where he's carrying her on his back and stuff, and the camera just slows down, and we're just going to be slow for a minute, and just kind of, like, bask in this because she likes it so much. I really like. Even the one where he carries her back to the bed. Those are really good shots.

And kind of, again, sets it up where you don't hate the situation. Like, it really kind of puts them together, and they get along, and maybe they get along because they almost. Work more as a family. Like, she almost needs him to be more of a father figure, and then it goes down the wrong road. But, like, I don't know.

There's a little bit of that, because he's also, like, for doing the wrong thing that night, everything. Else he does, he's the only one that seems to believe in her. He's the only one that supports her in anything she wants to do, even if it's something kind of stupid. He's the only one that's nice to her. Yeah, he's the only one that's nice to her, and her whole life, really.

Not just her family, but her whole life. Her little sister likes her, but isn't nice. She does it in a very sisterly way. Yes, she does. Don't forget to text me skank.

Yeah, skank. There's been a lot of skank thrown around. That's good. I like that British people say skank too. I know.

She threw that C word around. Like Misty did in our episode. I always get depressed in movies when little kids are cursing and smoking and drinking and their mothers are just cursing back. It's like they just It always just rubs me like, this is just wrong. This is not okay.

And sadly, that's life. I know. It's about depression. If you want to be real depressed, we'll go find you a real family. I can't imagine acting like that towards your child.

I don't. Know. Well, I mean, obviously her mother is not okay. Her mother is in. A bad place.

So, I think Again, for me, it was almost like I saw it and I watched it and I got to the end. I was like, oh, that was pretty good. And it was another one of those that. Over the next two hours, it gelled in this weird way that I was like, wow. It really took a long time for all of the elements to come together and realize what a good job she does putting how perfectly orchestrated everything is just for an overall tone. that you really don't, like, it's not specific things, it takes you that whole movie, and you realize, oh, well, I mean, this whole thing is about, like, sadness, and, like, it's not just that she's unhappy with where.

She is, it's that her mother is miserable with her life, you. Know, it's like, it's this overall, like, everyone in that neighborhood is miserable with their life, and all of it is, like, this, and I think that's what starts to get to you in the beginning there, is, like, it's this overpowering presence of like, just everybody seems really unhappy with this, this horrible. Little, you know, scenario they've got going. And I think that's the kind of stuff that stuck with me is like, you really do kind of see what her life is and that it's not like nobody, nobody's really evil about what they're doing, but they all just are very like, they just sort of let it go. You know, the mother should be doing a really good job as a mother and she's not, and she kind of knows it and she kind of doesn't care.

Like she just lets it slide. Yeah. Same thing with Connor and, you know, it's like, and even Mia. Like, she probably, before that, could have been doing things to, you know, progressively get the hell out of there a little faster. And it takes, you know, this whole situation in the movie before it actually happens.

But I think there's just a lot of sadness. Yeah. I mean, it takes a lot of will to change your whole life, right? And for this, and in this movie, the only thing that you can look forward to, if you're not going to be, rich and famous like the people in the videos are the people that are on MTV are then there's a time Connor lives in a modest house in a modest little suburb and that's like and she goes there and is like what is all this and it's so modest and it's like this isn't much of anything that you're but it's. Like world's better than what she lives in better.

It looks really nice. Just like, cause we're used to seeing all this pretty much squalor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And we haven't talked about it. We haven't talked about what. She does in this thing, which is go and kidnap the daughter, which happens. And it's like, you know, I've read all the reviews of this and, Most people were like, that's a misstep in the movie. It's just something that kind of takes you out of where you've been this whole time.

And it's like, why is this happening? But I like to think of it as, I don't know if you guys read Joyce Carol Oates, but this is just like a Joyce Carol Oates short story. It would be called The Summer I Almost Killed a Girl. And it just would be like, this is what happens. I'm sorry.

I thought that the little girl was going to die. I did too. So I was like, on the edge of the chair, like. And maybe that's what's going on. That is where Arnold is making a choice to not be the bleakest movie, to not be Gummo, and not be Requiem for a Dream and all that stuff, right?

Because she didn't let the girl die. Yeah, the girl would have died, otherwise she just would have, like, went. Back home and been like, oh, I'll just forget about that girl I killed. Well, it also shows her, like, changing and realizing how ridiculous that was. Like, in that moment, like, they hug, and they're just like, well, this was all kind of weird, wasn't it?

All right, let's go back home. Like, she didn't have a plan. It wasn't a good idea. It just came to her, and she did it. And I think it's actually, again, it was one of those at the time I didn't think through, and during that period after the movie when it all sort of came together, I was like, That's actually genius because they set.

It up with the horse. Yeah. It's the same thing. All she wanted to do was free that horse. Like, she keeps working.

Like, she keeps going back there. Yeah. And, like, well, once again, what the hell are you going to do with a horse? You live in an apartment, you weirdo. Yeah.

Like, she has no plan. It's just she sees something and she does it. Yeah. And it's a bad idea, but, like, she's driven to do it. Yeah.

And, like, that's the exact same thing she does with the little girl. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I thought that was, like, perfectly sort of balanced for her character.

Yeah, and it's like, can she learn from her mistakes? That's the question, right? Yeah. The scene with the little girl, I had a good time with it because I watched it before and, like, I thought the little girl was going to die and it was going to bother me. But this time, like, I knew she wasn't.

Yeah. But, like, I was just kind of off in the bedroom, like, on my laptop watching it. I have a three-year-old daughter who happened to come in right at that part. It's like my daughters, my three-year-olds, watching this scene with me. And then, like, as the little girl falls in the water, my daughter just suddenly, like, starts crying.

It's like, no, Imogen, it's okay. They're just going swimming. Like the little girl falls in the water. And Imogen's like, swimming, swimming. I was like, yeah, they're swimming.

They're fine. They're having a good time. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Now I'm going to go drag you through the field.

Come on, let's go. But the scene where they hug is awesome because you think because they hugged and you would think that like the little girl would be like no i'm mad she's not she's like i'm just cold just take care of me i'm cold and it's like okay here we go that's really a moment yeah yeah it's good it's. I'm realizing I need to be careful when I let my daughter see, because I watched the Red Band trailer for the new Evil Dead movie, and she just happened to be in the room, and she started crying when blood started pouring. I was like, okay, I need that. I need that.

You know, my three-year-old niece is like the opposite of that. Nothing affects her. Like on Halloween, I took her trick-or-treating. In retrospect, I think, what an asshole, because 99% of kids would have freaked out, but this scary evil clown comes up behind her, And crouches down really low and, like, yells at her, like, really close to her. I mean, he was, like, this far from her face.

And she turns around and she's like, whoa. And then she goes, hi, hap-ha-reen. I was like, okay. I mean, it's lots of. Different varieties like the first movie I ever saw was Creepshow and I was probably like four and stuff right well no I mean like my mom and I tomorrow we're going and watching Mama like the new because it's like that's our life together is watching horror.

Movies like that's just the way it is yeah. But it's hard for me to turn it off sometimes and to understand that other people aren't like that like I have little cousins and I showed them Children of the Corn when they were way too young and it felt terrible afterwards. I was like oh you're not supposed to do that okay I get it now So, whatever. My aunt used to, you know, they would let us watch movies. Like, Children of the Corn is one of my, like, most favorite movies.

Just because I watched it. I was on USA all the time. When I was little. Still probably on USA. And I don't know.

I just have, like, a weird attachment to that movie. And not so much anymore. But when I was little, we would watch the Child's Play movies all the time. And me and my cousin would, like, be hiding under our blanket fort in, like, complete terror. And my aunt would come and be like, it's just a movie.

It's just a movie. It's not real. And we're like, stop. I did tell my, I was like, well, I did tell her, I was like, if anybody you don't know, you know, takes you away, you better start kicking and screaming. But then, like, the little girl started kicking and screaming, but then she got thrown in the lake.

So I'm like, dang. Yeah. But yeah, so, like, I feel good about the part, though, where, you know, Michael Fassbender just kind of zooms up and just, like, rushes after her, punches her in the right side. It's like, yeah, that's, it's kind of what you get for doing that there's so many other ways that that could have been seen as horrible but I was like she kind of deserves it I'm sorry I'm like he stole his child. I mean I did there was a part of me that was like trying to figure out the logistics of this like where are the cops where are the like I mean it's just kind of like yeah it's been hours.

He probably doesn't want to explain you like like who. It is I know we'll see and then that put me back into the category of being like. This guy's a dick like I mean. He's a manipulator he's charming he's really sexy He's, like, he was good for her. You know, it's a complicated thing, what he does in her life and everything.

But he's also a dick because he is cheating on his wife with this woman and then taking on her family, and then nobody seems to know that each other exists. He's walking on a tightrope right there. But I think it's also really, like, well put together the fact that nobody is horrible like everybody's kind of bad in their own way because even then when you get into like you know he's he's doing all that but then. He's still like supportive of her and you know tries to be you know again. I think even when he like smacks her it's almost like a parental thing that's the moment when it kicks in when he's like No, no, like it's almost like a, no, you're not supposed to do that.

And then he just leaves. It's like, that was all he needed to do. It's like he was scolding her, but then you get even to the mother. Cause you get to those moments where by the end you realize the mother really does love her. Just doesn't know how to go about it.

She doesn't need to be a mother. The mother's not a mother. She's a companion. She's a person that she lives with. They're sisters.

That's what it is. It's a house of sisters. Like sisters, they're rivals and they're They hate each other and they love each other and, like, that's what's going on. So I think with all of them, you know, at least it gives them all a little bit of humanity that, like, there's not somebody that's horrible. Like, in some of these movies, really, like, you could make her mom just, like, an evil, horrible person.

And it's like, by the end, you're like, no, she's just a bad mom is all she is. She doesn't need. She's... essentially a decent person to some extent. She just does not need to be having kids and she's kind of trashy. There's all kinds of bad points about her, but she's not a horrible person.

She still loves this girl. She just doesn't know how to do it right. I mean, she's human. Yeah. And I think that's what it does.

She's not Mommy Deer. She's not Joan Crawford or anything like that. Again, she doesn't go out of her way to be that evil because she doesn't care, really. It's just like, I'd rather just lay on the couch because. That's what I do.

It's interesting that she was like. most trashy single moms are, like, looking for a dad to take care of their kids. So they don't have to do their work. And she didn't. She's just like, I don't want them to come on this drive with us. No.

She did not care that he showed affection for her kids. No, no, she saw it as a, she saw this competition and she was correct. Yeah, rightfully so. Yeah, that's what I was just thinking. Like, well, actually, yeah.

She, actually, that was. completely what was going on yeah but i think it's i mean do you guys think it was ambiguous if she knew or not though that was the thing i can't figure out i think it was like. She subconsciously knew i don't think she knew on the surface yeah. I mean because i mean she told her the whole thing about like i almost had an abortion with you and stuff and it's like i guess you're supposed to read that as she's saying i know what you did i don't. Think she knew per se because then like right after that the younger sister was like i know what she did and i'm gonna tell yeah yeah But I don't think she knew. I think she was just taking her anger out on her.

Well, I think it's just like with a lot of single parents, and then they get into a relationship, and the relationship. Doesn't go well. By the end, if you're just striking out, they will blame the kids. They'll be like, well, that's why they left. It's because of you.

And they don't want to be with somebody with children. Yeah. I think it could have easily just been that kind of thing of like, I know why I left. It's because I've got these damn kids. Because I'm sure he didn't tell her what all went on.

So he's just like, well, I'm out of here. Whatever. I can't deal with this. Yeah. That would be the first place you would go.

Well, if it was just the two of us, things would be fine. But I have these damn kids, and they're bringing me down. So I think it was more of that bitterness kind of attitude. Okay, okay. For me, that's how it ran.

It's easy to just blame, like, your whole shitty life on the fact that, you know, when I was a teenager, I got knocked over and had to deal with all this stuff. Yeah, so there's a whole life of blame laid on Mia, basically. Yeah, yeah. There we go. Well, and again, the other thing I was going to say is how much they, like, everything, again, part of this whole overall world that kind of comes together.

Everything is, like, trapped. Like, everybody is trapped in this little life. I think the horse was, like, a symbolic representation. Yeah, the horse is 16. Yeah.

Which. That horse is. It's basically, I mean, Mia's 15, but she'll probably be 16 in a minute. Yeah. And that hits her as hard as anything could possibly hit her.

That's what I thought was interesting. Out of all the horrible, as horrible as her life. Is, the moment that she breaks down and she can't take it is when that horse dies. But I don't think, yeah, again, I don't think it was the specifics of the horse. Yeah, I think it was the culmination.

The horse is like, again, her trying to free it from those chains. I mean, it's just like, it's freedom. Like, it becomes this whole, and that's why she. Keeps going back to it. Like, she's there three different times.

Yeah, yeah. When, like, she got busted that first. Time, you know? It's just like she. I don't know.

It seems like that whole horse angle is, like, by the time it gets to the end and she realizes it died, it's almost like that was her hope. Like, it was the symbol of, like, well, you know, the horse is still there and the horse. even in our world, like the horse symbolizes like a, you know, running in the plains. It's this open, especially the American version of, you know, running out in the plains, wild and free. And like, there's this horse on a chain and like, that's her only way. In a parking lot, in a parking lot.

And again, it's almost very much like her just trapped. It's just her trapped in this little town. And that's what's happening a whole lot of times with the sets and the way that she frames things is because a lot of times it is, people in small spaces looking at big spaces, right? So it's always looking out the window at the sky or you're looking out the window at the field or you're looking across the ocean. Like that's what's happening all the time, but you're in this tiny, tiny space and stuff.

So it's like... Okay, but the horse dying, the end of this. Whatever with Michael Fassbender's character, and all this is her being like, I'm packing my shit up, and I'm getting out of town. Now, she's running away, and it's not like she's fixed her problem. She's still going to go to this new town and. have trouble potentially but she's still taking it's an act of will to be like it's.

It's being screw this place about which which is. Something her mother doesn't do and that's that's the difference when you see that scene between them in the in the in there and it's like you see mom is just sort of compliant and she's going to stand there and she's going to listen to her music and she's going to curl up on the couch And she's going to get drunk and she's not going to do anything the rest of her life. She's going to raise another kid that's going to turn out wrong. And she's probably going to be fat. Yeah.

And that's the only, like, that's the difference is Mia takes this initiative to get the hell out of there and to consciously make a choice to do something else that the mother never did. Yeah. The mother will never do. And it feels like, too, the reason that the scene is in there with the strip club is The scene where she. Thinks she's gonna go audition for a dance team, I guess.

Just insert this. Was I the only one that, as she pulled that off the window, that's just a strip club flyer, right? I didn't think that the first time. I didn't. It just didn't occur to me.

But when she gets there, which not only when she sees people, but the first thing you see is the sign that says this is an adult act. But it doesn't say that on the flyer. So she's just naive. She just doesn't know what it is. All she sees is the answer.

But when she shows it to him and he's like, oh, I think you should have, like she was going out. For a battle later. Oh, like he should have known. The fact that he was just like. Yeah, he, of all people, should have known.

Yeah, but at the. Same time, I will say, though, in that, I mean, like, the text on that flyer is, are you, it was like, are you an urban dancer? Are you da-da-da? Like, so it does look like it could be something else. Because that's why the rest of the way through.

But how you would get paid, I don't know. Yeah, I think he said that. Yeah, I was just like, okay, maybe not. But I think that scene's in there not just because to be like, oh, look how bleak her life is. She can't even get a job dancing unless she's going to be a stripper.

It was also to be like, She kind of needs to give up on that dream. She's only 15, though. Any 15-year-old with a dream, they're going to be shitty at it. You've got to build it up. If she dances for the next five years and then when she's.

20, she may be okay. I think if she dances with people who will teach her for the next five years, maybe that's what happens when she gets the whales. It'll be awesome. It's almost her like, coming to terms with reality of realizing this isn't just a dream job. That's going to, you know, put you in a music video.

This is a fucking strip club. You know, this is going, this is her like, and the fact that she walks out, like she doesn't, she realized she looks around at these tired ass women. It was just like, I don't want to be one of them. Yeah. I think originally it was like, it was almost disappointing.

Cause it's just like, this was your shot and this, it was nothing. Yeah. But at the same time, it's just like, I almost feel like her becoming a stripper one day is, like, linear. You know, like, someone in her position, that's exactly what might happen. That would have turned her into her mother.

Feasibly to her life, you know? Yeah, I probably was a stripper. Yeah. But, you know, it's just, like, that could be her life, and she looked around, and she's like, I don't want this. This isn't what I want.

That was one of the better, more inspiring parts of the movie when she just walked out. Yeah. She's like, I'm not doing this. Yeah, that's the most useful thing you've done with your life up to now. Just get the hell away from that.

Because those people didn't really seem concerned that she was not of age. The fire did say, you know, 17, and she could lie and say 17, and maybe she looks a little young, but she could. Have passed for 17. It is true, though. It's obviously inappropriate for her.

She's not dressed right. She's not whatever. And as she's leaving, one of the judges is like, what the hell is that? It's just kind of like, well... Yeah, like, whatever.

It bothered me she left the CD. Because she left all that behind. Because that dream is left behind. But, like, Bobby Womack's awesome. But that even shows, like, how out of the loop she is and how not sexual she is.

She doesn't even understand this is true. The girl that you're watching in the beginning there, who is frightening, by the way, but, like, her song is very stripper-esque. And then you get to, like, Bobby Womack. Doing california dream i'm like you do not know how to be a stripper for god's sake to get. Out yeah well and even that that just reminds me going back to the dance troupe that she was involved with and like how they showed those girls at the very beginning like those girls are being they're not sexy but they're being extremely sexual yeah.

They're wearing hooker clothes and stuff And she's obviously. Doing the like. Yeah, doing that whole thing. No one can really see this, but you know. Yeah.

And like having, and. So, and she's having a falling out with those people. It's like, was she having a falling out with those people because of this? Because. Because she's better than them.

Like not just dance wise, like. Just period. She's a little bit better than them. Yeah. Oh, I love that little Mia.

There you go. I thought, you know, and like, I thought it was interesting and maybe not like extremely poignant. But when she runs into those girls again and she says to the girl, what happened to your eye? Did your dad miss your mouth? You know what it's just like?

And then she's like, you need to be quiet because your left eye is going to match your right eye. That's one of those, right off the bat, that headbutt at the beginning, I was like, this. Girl is hard. Because that girl didn't even say anything. She just walked up and banged him.

I just kept thinking throughout this entire movie, Shane even bothered. Well then maybe that's part maybe you're seeing that is her progressing because I mean that's the moment that she picks up the flyer right and then she sees them the second time and she doesn't engage she has this she gets nasty and then walks away and it's like okay well that's already an improvement over what we saw earlier so she's growing she's already getting an outlet of some sort. Poor baby hmm. So she couldn't give it up. She shouldn't give it up.

You need your dreams. Teenagers need their dreams. Even if they're going to change later. She should go to school. She should get an education.

She can dance in school. She's so driven by that. I think she does seem to be committed to it. If she had someone... Instead of her in an abandoned room dancing to a music video and YouTube clips.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. She really, like, just. Not based on her skill level, maybe, but based on her drive, I think she probably could. Yeah, that's true.

Honestly, when this movie first started and I saw her dancing, I was like, oh, I gotta hope this doesn't, like, step up. Yeah. Yeah. When my boyfriend kept walking in on every dance scene, like, he would come in and he's like, are you watching a dance film? I'm like, I'm actually not.

You just keep walking in. On the seven dance scenes that are in this whole movie somehow she. Didn't have the big flash dance scene at the end where she had to show the judges what she could do yeah and I hadn't thought about that but yeah that's it that's the flipping that whole thing on the table right there it would be so sad if she really did show those judges yeah see Andrea. Arnold loves this girl she's not trying to. Be like this is super bleak I think by the end it's very helpful like she's not.

When I agree Lynne Ramsey, who I. Respect Lynne Ramsey a lot, but Lynne Ramsey's very in love with depression. Yeah, she likes the fucked up kids. Yeah, or like Aronofsky, or people. Who, this is what they do.

Just wallowing in misery. Yes, or Kelly Ricard, or whoever, who are really good directors, are really, really good, but it's kind of. Challenging to figure out how you can pull something kind of hopeful out of something so... So low. This, I think, totally, by the end, is very hopeful for her.

It's not for anybody else. Cause that whole, and that's, that's another thing I noticed is how much, cause he, the Michael Fassbender even says, this house really likes. To drink or whatever. I'm just like that, like everybody, we see everybody, including the younger sister drinking at some point. I'm just like, again, that's again, not just that household, probably that whole area.

Like that's their life is like, And it goes back to that escape thing. It's like this, you know, instead of trying to escape and instead of trying to better this horrible situation, I'm just going to stay drunk all the time. And that's my temporary escape. That's my lazy way of dealing with it. If I'm just drunk all the time, I don't really have to deal with how bad this is.

Although, really, that seems like a. Horrible, horrible plan. I feel like the mom was, like, so resigned to the way things were. You know, even at the end where they're dancing to Life's a Bitch, she's just like, well, you know. that didn't work out with that guy. That's just the way it is.

Like, let's wallow and dance and hate everybody and be bitter. I found that scene incredibly moving. Oh, yeah. It really was. I wasn't sure how to, because, you know, the mother's a total bitch to her daughter and all of a sudden, like, having this moment.

Yeah. I love that the little sister put her hands on her hips. Like, that was like, I was like, Yeah, I was annoyed by the sister that whole first half. And then by the end, I'm just. Like, aw.

Nah, the sister's good. She's annoying. She's annoying. She's awesome. Well, I just got depressed because, like, the little sister, she's not going to turn out well.

I mean, she's smoking and drinking. Yeah. Saying nasty words. Let's hope she gets in the painting. Who knows?

Hopefully. She can draw kitties really good. She can draw those kitties good. She's only going to get encouragement from some pedophile. And her mom will bring those home.

Just to say that, though, actually, I thought about that for a minute because they do have the scene where Michael Fassbender carries her to bed. And it was like, what's this part going to be? Also the part where he's shaving and she has to pee and he's like, I won't look. Yeah yeah so it is like i mean it could he ain't all innocent he's got his thing going. On yeah like that pedophilia not okay i'm not condoning pedophilia but you know it's just like i don't even want to believe that this guy is a serial.

That this is what he does yeah yeah because again that house is. Almost too put together for him to be constantly just running around. Like, it seems like this was the one time he had the breakup with her and went off and found this other girl. And, like, it didn't seem like that could happen all the time in that little family. Like, it was still a little too perfect, pieced together family and household.

Where did the wife think that he was? I know. That's what I was wondering. She kicked him out. He was just at a hotel or something.

Yeah. Yeah. And he keeps referring, that's his mother. His mother. His mother.

My mother's calling. Again, there was all these things I was sort of picking up on, but I didn't know where it was going. Because he said that, and I went, so he's screwing around with somebody else at least, right? Yeah. Immediately, I already, again, that's just my conniving mind.

It's just like, he's up to something already. It's like, I know better than that. Yeah. I don't know. Get some clothes on, man.

I've got some clothes on. You're half naked. You don't normally care. Yeah, well, I do now, so get dressed. Why are you talking different?

Shall we get a move on, yeah? Where are you going? We're not going nowhere. Well, why did you just say, shall we get a move on, then? Listen, we're only going for a drive.

You want to come? No. Both of you? No, no, no, no, they won't want to come. I do.

Look, we're not going nowhere. I don't care. I still want to come. Off you go, then. Get dressed.

But again, there's so many, like. moments there where like him and her in the water is like again it does not play at all creepy really I guess depends on how you want to look at it but he's again for that moment they are almost family like and they really it kind of works for. A minute well and it would be interesting though what if he weren't so attractive I mean, if he were an unattractive man doing all those things, would we be having this conversation? No, we wouldn't. I think it would be different if she, I don't know, I feel like there's almost some leeway because she was, she didn't push it in any way, I don't think, but she was. Obviously in love with him, you know?

She admitted to him, like. That she was in love with him and, you know, it was really hard to watch the scenes where she would, like, look at him and he was, like, with her mom and, like, that was so awkward and painful and, like, I don't know. It's true. It's true. But, I mean, I guess that's the point.

Like, if he had not been the attractive, charming man that he is. This wouldn't have happened. This wouldn't have been like this. Well, and again, not that we haven't called out the mom for being bad, but you just reminded me the, I mean, what the hell is she thinking? This guy that she met.

Yesterday has been around these kids twice, is carrying her to bed, and maybe she didn't know he was taking her pants off, but you should be there making sure. Like, it was. sweet of him on the one hand, but on her end, it's like, why the hell are you letting this strange man that you barely even know take. Your daughter into her bedroom and undress her? If she's not thinking about that. She doesn't give a fuck.

Again, bad mother. I'm sorry. She's just a bad mother. She's not for a whole lot. She just doesn't give a fuck.

She doesn't. I think, you know, if she had known to the full extent of, like, what had gone on between Mia and Connor, she would have responded more with jealousy instead of a maternal protection of your child. If that had ever happened, like I have no children, but if that ever happened to any child in my life that I care about, I will find that person and I will destroy their life. It's like the whole. huge monologue towards the end of precious where she's like not upset because like my boyfriend raped my daughter like who's. Gonna love me yeah yeah i've never seen precious because oh really well super bleak movies.

That have no. Hope right oh god well i think again we we went to the the end dance scene there i that's one of the things i wanted to get into but because again that Once that kicked in, I was just like, this movie. Is so well put together. Because the two main songs that come into play, there's a lot of music thrown in, but most of it's just, you know, dancing stuff for her to do her weird dancing to. But the two ones that come into play are California Dreamin' and Life's a Bitch.

Yeah. And the more I thought about it, I was like, they're so perfect. And then as I got into it, I was like, basically, now you wouldn't think. Those two could be any more different. Like, opposites, Nas and.

What? Who wrote it? Was it Beach Boys? I mean, everybody's got the Beach Boys and Mamas and the Papas. Was it Mamas and the Papas?

Yeah, I mean, everybody's covered that. Everybody's covered that. But again, it's a very hippie, 60s kind of song. But the more I thought about it, I was like, they're saying the exact same thing. They're just coming at it from opposite ends.

California Dreamin' is... I mean, it's basically. It tells this nice, dreamy version, and it focuses on how great it is in California. But if you're listening to the song... They're not in California.

Like, they're talking about how cold and gray and kind of miserable they are, and they're wishing they were somewhere else. Isn't that this whole fucking movie? Like, isn't that exactly. And that's Connor's perspective. Connor's perspective is that's what he's doing, because he is an optimistic, fun, again, charming, like, fun-loving person and stuff.

And the mom is, I'm sure, not. But also thinking from the Connor angle. Because he loved that song beforehand. Is he still feeling that in his life before he met all these people? Is the trap that he's in now, the wife and the daughter and the little house, and he really does wish he was out in the world and maybe just hooking up with random moms like this.

I mean, is that his little part of why he's still like the teenage version of him that used to love this song has now found. This new angle in it? Like, I don't know. You're just saying that made me think maybe that's his weird angle of why he loved that song so much. But then you go to.

I mean, that's... I mean, it's so weird that that cheery song, as it were, really, like, if you get into it, it's. About kind of, like, I'm miserable. I wish I was somewhere else. That's the entire focus of this movie.

So the fact that they work it in there. As subtly and as oddly as a stripping song as they do is really genius. And then to sort of bookend it with life's a bitch, which, again, completely sums up this movie. Because, I mean, the main focus... Life's a bitch and then you die.

That's why we get high. Again, that's in that entire household. That's that entire neighborhood. Maybe they're not, again, in the household, they're not so much getting high that we see, but that's the drinking. Like, the drinking is, that's why we drink, is to numb the fact that we're dealing with.

This day in and day out. And it's, again, it's an attempt to escape very minimally. But I don't know. I thought those two songs. As opposite as they are, we're still perfectly put together in this movie.

Well, I think the fact that Mia was so drawn to the California Dreamin' song and her mom was like, what is this weird? It just shows that she's the only person in the movie that has a chance. Of getting out of making it. She doesn't seem optimistic. She definitely....

I don't know. She's got some problems. Yeah. She's got some issues. There you go.

But, you know. Well, and to go on with Andrea Arnold's, like, career, she followed this up with Wuthering Heights and did her version of Wuthering Heights, which is that same, it's the Moors of England. And stuff, but it's a lot of that whole. Look let's go out into the fields and let's look at this stuff and she made and Heathcliff is black in Wuthering Heights and her version of Wuthering Heights to really like be like this is what's going on this is this forbidden love this is the gypsy that Catherine's not supposed to be with kind of thing And that that's what she does. And it's like, this is who Andrea Arnold is, and this is who female directors are.

About, like, that sexuality among people is complicated. It's not so simple. It's not a simple thing. And that's what's in this movie and stuff. That, like, this experience, which could... very easily be a black-white issue.

This is a molestation experience. Here we go. Look how horrible it all turns out. It's like, actually, no, it's a freeing experience for her. It's complicated.

It ends badly. It's whatever. But it's like, I hope she's not pregnant. But this is what's happening. And that's another way she could have made it bleak.

She could have been pregnant. At the end of this. We didn't do that. So here we go. Just out of curiosity, did you see Take This Waltz?

Yes. Speaking of female directors with Female directors. With, yes, complicated visions of everything. Yeah, what do you think? I thought it was really, really good.

I mean, I thought that I've never really seen a movie that does that. You're watching someone's marriage break up, and you really watch it happen, and you watch what happens when you break up with someone, and you get with that person you broke up with, and how that's not happy either. Because it's... it's kind of hard to be happy together. It's hard for anybody to be happy together. So it's like, you can't just break up with someone and think everything's going to be great the next time around.

You're going to come up with these same problems again. And that was extremely good. You did a really good job with that. I thought it was interesting. I'm not going to give away any spoilers, but I was curious because it's about, she's in a happy marriage, but then she falls in love with another guy.

How is this going to go? Is she going to condone the extramarital affair or is she going to have her stay in what is really an unfulfilling marriage you know like it's happy in quotations or or how's it going to go so I ended up being actually really pleased with. Yeah how she ended it Sarah Polly is a really good director and oh and I did want to bring this up at some point today Sundance right now has 16 films in competition it's eight women eight men directors that's happening right now so it's like. It's a whole new world. It's a whole new world.

It really is. Especially an independent film. Yeah, it's been a really long time of everybody being like, why aren't there more female directors? Why aren't there more female directors? And it's like, well, and everybody comes up with all their armchair psychology of why there's not.

And it's like, well, maybe just they just, female directors just need to start doing it. Just do it. Just go do it. It's all good. Or we finally have the technology to do it.

Because you don't have to wait for. A studio to give you the go-ahead, which they rarely would do for female directors. And now you just fucking make one. Exactly. And hopefully what the trend has been in the past has been that, yeah, you get to go to Sundance, you make your first film, everybody's all buzzy about it, and then you never get to make a second one.

So hopefully that will stop. I think it already has. We've already seen two and three just in these last five years. We've seen a lot of female directors come back with follow-up movies just a year or two later. Yeah, so this is good.

We live in good times, y'all. Once again, very hopeful like Mia. Yeah, here we are. Just like us. I am a hopeless optimistic.

Here we go. I also found riding in cars with boys to be very depressing. Speaking of, again. There you go. I've never watched that movie, so there you go.

It's good, but it was just like another shitty mom. Yeah, yeah. There's just like an endless amount of those. Yeah, shitty moms. I mean, I guess it's...

Shitty moms. Not just movies. Shitty mom movies. Yeah, yeah. I guess it's just.

Such a normal, everyday kind of happening. And it's just like, well. Don't worry, there's shitty fathers out there, too. Yeah, exactly. Well, it was like, I read an interview with Katie Jarvis, and it was talking about her.

Because they were trying to make parallels, right? Between. her and Mia. And she was like I'm not she's like I'm not really like that but they had to make a point this is where we're at they had to make a point of saying her parents broke up but she's still in touch with her father and it was just like I think that was the. Same thing I read. That was a weird interview.

Her bringing up the abortion question. Yeah, she's like, did you want to have an abortion? But in the first half of it, they're just promoting the movie. I'm like, what movie promo brings up your abortion option? I was like, this is weird.

A weird English interview. I'm sorry. Yeah, it was the Guardian interview. I was like, American interviewers, we just do fluff boards. We wouldn't bring that up.

We're not talking about abortions. Not in the middle of a movie promo. Anyway. Oh, man. Watch Fish Think, everybody.

So what was your take on the title itself? I have no idea. Other than. It's contained, right? So it's a world that's contained within something that you're looking at.

That's the only thing. They're looking out through the glass at the outset. They're looking out. It's a California dream, and they're looking at better things. I mean, that's kind of how I had heard it.

It is very, like. It is a self-contained little world, and it is you, like, as the, it's a very voyeuristic thing. You are very in the middle of these guys. Also. It's kind of like, the camera just follows her from behind as she walks.

Yeah, some of those handheld shots are kind of weird. Like, you do kind of feel like, whoa, you're right up on top of her. Like, she starts running, like, the camera. The camera, yeah. Also, like, when she got to Connor's house, where he lived with his wife and his daughter, even before she broke in, you're just thinking, like, She is not supposed to be there.

You just had this, like, sense of foreboding. Like, you don't belong here. What are you doing here? Like, this is weird. It felt uncomfortable.

Like, the whole scene with the nice houses and the, you know, it just seemed so, like, uncomfortable. It's a different fish tank in the fish shop. Yeah. Yeah. They did have one little shot to, like, show you that, like, because when she first walks into the estates, there's, like, a blonde girl about her age coming out and.

Looking at each other. Yeah. Yeah. Giving each other the, ah. She's like, what are you doing in this neighborhood?

Yeah, exactly. Piece of, what are, what are. In your tracksuit. Yeah. And your ponytail.

What's the British word for trashy people? Or like. I'm sure there are plenty. Well, does anybody know, what is pikey? Does anybody know what pikey is?

Because that's what the sister calls Mia's boyfriend-ish person. I think like the British word for like, What we would call wanksters, like shav? Something like that. We have British listeners, so you guys listening, email in and let us know what. Let us know what pikeys are.

Tell us what you call your trashy friends or the people down the street that you don't like. I do like to use the word skank. But yeah, for my... You were trying to make an odd tie-in earlier. I'm going to take it a different way that probably most people wouldn't, but my companion piece to go with fish tank is the sitcom Fish Hooks.

I don't know this. If you're not familiar with it, it's on the Disney Channel. But, whoa. But it really, actually, for one of their shows, which usually are lame, it's pretty well written. Like, it's an animated show, and it's actually relatively funny if you haven't watched it.

I feel like you've talked about other Disney channels. I haven't. I don't have it anymore, so everything's dated now. I'm out of the loop. I don't think it's Disney.

It was actually pretty big, like, two years. Ago, but... I like how two years ago it was dated. That's kind of weird. As we said earlier, that is old school.

The kids now are into totally different things that I can't keep up with. But that was what was funny. The whole thing is actually a little weird sitcom, and it's in these fish tanks, and everybody has their own fish tank. And each little scenario, its own little world, its own little drama. And then occasionally they'll pull back and you'll see the whole little headshot.

Oh, yeah. And each one has a little. And sometimes they'll go on like a trip outside and go to another tank. That sounds like a great experimental film. Yeah, I was like, as silly.

As it seems, I was like, there's a big tie in here between Fish Tank and the Disney sitcom Fish Hooks. So. There's your companion piece, people. Go watch both of those and see if I'm making it up. And, you know, Oscar's pretty funny too.

If I were an experimental filmmaker, which I am not, I would be making that movie right now of the fish tanks. I would do that. I would rip that off immediately. I'm just going to have to do my little pretentious intro now. Today we'll be making comparisons between the indie film Fish Tank and the Disney Channel sitcom Fish Hoaxes.

You'll find they have more than just their finny names in common. That sounds good. We're set now. We're going to pull in a high caliber, green nerdy. That reminds me of, I think actually somebody else on the podcast posted this.

I can't remember who it was, but somebody took Rear Window and they just kind of compiled all the shots of the courtyard and just made it into this whole portrait of the day. So like you have all these dramas going on. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's another one that's very close to, it's.

A different scenario, but it all kind of works the same. Everybody's got their own little world going on. Or like, uh, same back to key New York, the whole huge warehouse. He makes like everybody, nobody's an extra. So I don't know.

I think that was, that was most of my take, unless you guys have anything else. Uh, a pikey is a person of low class. And shav, I don't know how to pronounce it exactly. It's been a long time since I've heard it actually said, but it's like shav, C-H-A-V, which is like, I think it's typically like a white person who's into like African American culture. Yeah, which there is a lot of that going on.

Yeah, it is. It's a weird, well, that's another thing I was thinking that's so weird that like, shav. Kind of that same thing we were. Talking about earlier but in that culture it's like all the like the hardcore ghetto black culture that's going on the white suburb kids that get into it it's it operates the same In two entirely different areas. These kids are doing it for no damn reason.

They're doing it just to mimic this group. But the way that they interact with each other, the show of pride, the way that they do all of that. Stuff operates kind of the same in two entirely different areas. But the only time we see talent in this entire film is black people dancing. That's the only time there's any talent in this.

And again, coming from a tiny town in Kentucky. Same damn thing. It's just the way it was. It's like, you know. Well, even then, like, all the music that he plays that's good is black people.

Yeah. And I said African American to be politically correct, and then I realized how dumb that is because, like, if you're in England, you're not going to refer to the black person. I just don't do that because I kind of hate that. I hate that term, and it's just, like, I find myself saying it because I feel like I'm pressured to. Like, if you, like, refer to someone as black, people will get, like.

It depends on the situation. I'm reminded of that scene in Bruno, and, like, he's, like, talking to the whole audience of black people and insisting that everybody in Africa are African-Americans, and they're all like, no, they're not African-Americans. Like, yes, they are. You're being racist. They're not African-Americans.

This is awful to say, isn't it? The only people in Fish Tank are black. That's true. Most cultures will come along with that. The only people who can actually.

Do some really impressive dance moves, because that was awesome, by the way. That whole scene where he was flipping over and over and over again, that was really good. So there we go. And James Brown is cool. And James Brown is awesome.

That's the point of all that. Bobby Womack. That is the thing. Actually, I do know who my dad is. I don't know him, but his last name is Womack.

Whoa. Here we go. I feel like I'm the descendant of Bobby Womack and Ann Kurtis. To balance out. The white end, I think a lot of the Mama Doesn't Pop This stuff was pretty good.

They're the whitest damn people in the world. So just to balance things out, there's talent all across the color. Spectrum. I'm just reminded I acquired a 20-pack of Spaghetti Westerns, and I had a friend over last week, like, we're going to drink beer, order pizza, and watch Spaghetti Westerns. So I gave him the box, and he picked the Fighting Fist of Shanghai Joe.

Which is basically a martial arts movie combined with Spaghetti Western and Klaus Kinski's in it too. He's in a couple of these movies in my Spaghetti Western bag. It's about this Chinese guy who suffers racism but he just kicks everybody's ass. While saving Mexican slaves. That's good too.

So I recommend the Fighting Fist of Shanghai Joe. It's awesome. He like jump kicks people with his crotch and. That's skill. Did you hear that Kloskinski's daughter has come out that he.

Molested her a whole lot? Is there anything he hasn't? She's basically like, you know what? It's really painful that people keep coming up to me and telling me that he's a good man. He's not a good man.

He's a terrible man. We saw a creature. He's not a good man. I actually mentioned this on Facebook because I read this right before I watched the movie because I was looking up which spaghetti restaurant I wanted to watch. And that is all Facebook, huh?

Yeah. I was like, yeah, I'm not really surprised. Last movie I saw him in was Creature. He was very rapey in Creature. I like that you say that in Brian's reaction.

What happened he does? I mean, you know. You wouldn't expect. Those sort of behaviors from a former Nazi. We are the most insensitive group of humans.

He was awesome in Fitzgerald. We've said many a time, just because you've done something horrible in your personal life doesn't mean you can't turn in something artistically impressive. We've had that. You have to separate those two. It's a true thing.

There are people that do horrible things, and they're very talented. Lots of artists are pieces of shit. Yeah. He was really creepy in The Fighting Fist of Shanghai Joe, just for the record as well. I think he's pretty creepy in general.

He can be a decent actor, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's a creepy dude. His name was like Scalper Down. That's creepy. Super creepy. Fishtank.

Okay. How do you end this guy? That's it. We will say thank you to Tracy for sitting in with us and getting knee deep in the middle of our discussion here. And to Dreamland Film Center for letting us loiter around in here.

So yeah, do you want to plug the website? Sure. We're at LouisvilleFilmSociety.org and we try to screen three weekends a month. Okay, if you are in the area, come hang out here. If you're not, start driving right now.

You could be here. But check the schedule. Don't just show up randomly because there might not. Be anything going on. This is true.

I'm rounding this thing out. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.

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