269: Hollywood Dynasties

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It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show. Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power. More cooling in the containment chamber. Looks like you two have a lot to talk over we'll just catch the last 10 minutes of dynasty.

What's up and welcome to movie meltdown i'm brian. I'm lucy josh amy mike. So if you were paying attention, you may remember Amy from the Yeti Spaghetti Show. And she was so thrilled with it that she came back. Enjoyed the fun.

Glutton for punishment. Yeah, yeah. That's what we're looking for. That's the only people we wrote in are gluttons for punishment. Speaking of which, we have Michael who you, again, if you're a keen listener, you probably heard me mention him on the John Doe episode.

He was kind of instrumental in putting that together. But has not been on the show before. No, I have. So, happy to be here. Welcome you to the show.

You, to tie in our film stuff, you have kind of done a little of everything, it seems like. You're writer, producer, director, cinematographer, editor. Started out as PA, where every person in film should. Worked my way up. Gaffer for a short while.

Line producer for a long while. Which is your least favorite job? PA. Absolutely, P.A. It's just awful.

It's an awful and much abused position on a film set. Well, we were going to ask you to go get us coffee. Is that cool? Yeah, I'll be right back. We need some more Turkish coffee.

Not for Lucy. Lucy's got a gallon of it here. She's on her seventh cup. She's going to be hammered, so it'll be interesting as this goes along. So, I don't know.

Has anybody seen anything interesting lately to open up the show? Any geek activities of All I have is super dorky stuff. Not that that's different than any other week. I finally saw Gattaca. Yeah.

And I really enjoyed it. I was quite pleased. I just continued on the Marvel train. I saw two of them this weekend, so I'm kind of caught up now, I think. I did go see Captain America, and I was impressed.

They did a nice job with it. It's really just working in more of Black Widow, because I still think her character is really great and is... That is way more than I ever expected out of that character. And she's kind of turning in decent performances lately. So I'm really impressed with that.

And they take his character down like a weird road that is sort of interesting in today's world because it's mirroring this like, you know, Boy Scout that all of a sudden is dealing with the government, more or less. I mean, S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty much the government. That's kind of overstepping their bounds as to how much they're, keeping track of everybody and trying to keep terrorism from happening. And so it's interesting to watch, you know, the, the captain have to deal with all that because he's so like all American and all of these values that he's sort of grown up on are being sort of tested now that he's shoved in the modern world. So it's, I thought it was pretty good.

I saw my bodyguard again recently. I watched that one yesterday. As a matter of fact, Chris make peace. We recently were having a discussion of what the hell happened to Chris Makepeace. He is actually working...

Have you ever seen Homes on Homes on the DIY Network or the Home and Garden Channel or whatever? Well, he's like a producer on that now. That's what he does. Interesting. So Chris Makepeace and Martin Maul and one of his few...

One of his rare non-gay characters, Martin Maul. So. Most of the time, he's just sort of Martin Maul. Well, he even got a special guest star, Martin Maul, in My Bodyguard, which I don't know how you get that. You must be pretty high up on that.

That was early, too. He was good in that. I liked it. So, yeah, I got to relive that. I'm actually working... on my 70s snap zoom techniques, and so I wanted to go ahead and do some research.

I'm really not. That's not what I'm doing. Oh, I got really excited for a second. I kind of want to see these. I'm into star wipes now.

You've moved into the 80s. Good for you. Apparently Martin Mull's quite a painter as well. Yeah. I think something he became way more passionate about as the years went on.

They said that about Hitler, too. He was not... His perspective was all over the place. That guy couldn't paint. That's what led him.

Well, he had to find something else to do. Did you guys... Did anybody see Max? I think that's what it was. Where John Cusack played his dealer.

His art dealer. Hitler's dealer? Really? It was Noah... Wiley?

Wait. It was the guy that played young Hitler. And it was up until. He came into power. Is that anything like young Indiana Jones?

Young Hitler? That would not be a good show. They probably crossed paths. I mean, Indy ran into everybody over the years, including Hitler, actually. Probably so.

Hitler's birthday is coming up. Are we going to make a cake. Or something like that? I wasn't sure where you were going with that. It was just more of a statement.

I thought it was going to be a joke. I do have a Hitler joke. And tumbleweeds. I think he'll be surprised with the party. So I couldn't Hitler drink vodka.

Why? It made him mean. Oh, jeez. Oh, God. All right, and we're done.

The end. I saw Noah. Did anybody see Noah? Oh, I wanted to. I made snide comments about it last week.

I will reference that episode. I'd have nothing to say about it unless anybody else in this room has seen it. It's a conversation. It's not a monologue. I need to work through it.

When you say work through it, do you mean like in a Psychiatric sense? Possibly. You need to process the event? I kind of do. I mean, it's...

Yeah, I don't even know where to start with this one. Would you like to lay down before we leave? Yeah, can I just lay down? I wrote it off until... I found out a week before it came out that Aronofsky even directed it.

I didn't even know anything about it until... I didn't even know it was coming out until like a week before. And then I found out he was... That's the only reason I want to see it, to be honest. And that's the only reason...

I mean, I would not have found myself in a biblical epic with an Aronofsky name not attached to it. Come on. Pat. Wait, the one that... Was that.

Coppola? The one with Willem Dafoe? Last Temptation of Christ. Who's starring Harry Dean Stanton? Who?

Harry Dean Stanton. Oh, you're not familiar with the work of Harry Dean Stanton? Why don't we talk about it? Here he comes. Wait what about the last definition.

That's the one that's the only one I've actually seen because there's all the others oh right right yeah and I like that a lot. Well Noah I hate Aronofsky but I see every movie that he makes yeah he clearly I mean his agenda in making the film is so complex like I need to see it again I don't really understand what he was going for like all Aronofsky movies it completely falls apart in the middle because he just is unable to like grapple with the concept of, I don't know, a subdued narrative or subtlety or anything nuanced. So it just goes off the rails. How can a biblical epic fall apart in the second act? How does this happen?

Usually when something falls apart in the second act, it's because something is drastically wrong with the first act. But how can something leak? wrong with the first act in a biblical epic. Well because the second act was the act where he created a new character um as. He added a chapter in the bible yes actually interesting well the bible's been heavily. Edited as played by ray winstone um so just imagine where that.

Goes melvin 316 it's gotta be so there's a whale. As they're out on the boat suddenly starts chasing a whale. Is Sanonovsky a creationist, I'm wondering? No, and actually. Are there.

Dinosaurs in this movie? That was my comment last week. That was a really interesting part of the movie, is that he was actually trying to, I think... again, I don't understand the man's brain and probably don't want to, but I think that what he was wanting to do was to sort of give creationists a viewpoint that's not oppositional, but that maybe they could sort of work the possibility of evolution into creationism, I think. So he was sort of baiting this audience to come see the film and then say, hey, maybe we're all right. Maybe we're both right.

Maybe there's something in between. I've got news that is not going to happen. I went through an exhaustive... I wanted to do a documentary on the creationist movement in America. Oh, interesting.

And so I had just gotten off, which, by the way, PBS, Frontline, April 29th. Self-promotion here. Please watch. Good morning. It's the Prison Nation, although I think they've changed the title.

But anyway, so it's a film that I shot with Mongoose Pictures. But anyway, right after coming off that, I wanted to do something else. I wanted to present something else to Frontline. And so I wanted to do the creationist movement in America. And they put me through the ringer.

Wow. And it was like a three-month process to get the permission to shoot in their museum. And I had to go through their PR firm in Dallas, and they called me up and they said, seven years ago, you donated $ 10 to a campaign. And I was like, oh my gosh, what is going on here? You don't want to know about half the things I've done.

They have a file on you. They have a file on me. It's really scary. Do you guys have connections with God? However, they did ultimately give me the permission to do it, to go ahead and interview their...

Dinosaurs? They're a talking dinosaur. Has anybody been? I assume they do. Have you actually been there?

I have not been there yet. I want to go. I really want to go. And then all this Bill Nye business got in the way. Yeah, right.

And so I was kind of, you know, I'm just a schmuck trying to make a documentary. So they kind of pushed me to the side. That seems like you've got your lead in for the guy doing the commentary. You know, I was really hoping. Bill Nye, get out of here.

Yeah. I wanted to dig deep into those financial records and see where they're getting all their cash. Interesting. But they're an interesting group, and they really believe that the book of Genesis is a historical novel. They truly believe this.

And so while I think they're absolutely insane, I 100% agree. respect their conviction. I really do. I hope they don't hear this podcast. Well, they know I think they're insane. However, you know, as a documentarian, you have to be unbiased.

You have to be a journalist. As impartial as you can. As impartial as you can. It's tough sometimes, but it is possible. That was my question last week when I was talking about Noah.

I don't know what his agenda was as a filmmaker. Even if he's not even the artist end of it, but the like, How are you going to market this? Like, are you going for the hardcore biblical group? Because that's usually the only people that come out and support stuff like that. You're going for that Passion of the Christ crowd.

But I don't assume that he is that. So I'm not like, where are you going? Like, how are you going to come out ahead in this process? Or does he just not care? Yeah, well, I mean, it's a straight up, it's an action film is what it is.

And it's actually sort of, I mean, it's sort of tense and exciting. And I was actually sort of on board for a lot of it until it just totally went off the rails. On board. Wow. Coffee's kicking in.

But, you know, I do think that he was, I think that was his agenda, to sort of mask this alternate viewpoint that he was trying to present. within something that would seem sort of palatable and exciting to that market. We have Gladiator and the animals. It starts making them fight. In the boat. But it is fun because certain animals don't make it, and they're all awesome looking.

So that was fun. Unicorns and dragons got screwed over. It seems like it would have been a really fun movie to make. This never comes out of my mouth because I'm not a sucker for effects. But I wanted to see that movie just purely because of the effects.

I think it would be just a hell of a ride, a great way to spend a couple of hours. Well, and since his movies aren't, to this point, have relied on... Well, I haven't seen The Fountain, but I've seen... I think I've seen everything else. But I know the...

I think The Fountain is kind of effects heavy. But otherwise, his stuff isn't. So that's why I was surprised that he was doing this. Such an epic. Yeah, that's why it seemed like such a weird direction for him.

I was like, I don't know what he's doing here. I assume he's got a plan. He doesn't seem like somebody who just half-asses things. So has he stated what his stance is with the whole thing? That's, to me, the most intriguing subtext of it.

I don't really feel. Like it was marketed very well, or if at all. I feel like I just heard about it maybe a week and a half ago, and it was just at the theater randomly. I remember us talking about it like, several years ago when they first announced that he'd signed on to do it and then i really haven't heard anything since then. Yeah just usually an epic blockbuster like that you get beat to death with it before it shows up it's strange it also.

Got special timing in the year oh yeah this is not really oscar season for him so i don't know if that means the studio has absolutely no faith in it but. But it is easter season yes maybe they were planning. That's what i thought you were implying yeah. Yeah, I think that the most promotion was done by the people who were boycotting it. I mean, that's how I heard it.

Well, that's what happened with Passion of the Christ. I mean, that was the only reason that film succeeded. Who was primarily boycotting animals? People who. Animals with picket signs.

It was the cutest thing, really. People who love the Bible. Okay, so the Bible. Because I guess they heard that it didn't stick strictly to the historical document. Which version of the Bible are we talking about here?

It's the one. You find in hotels. So it was hotel managers that were picketing most of it. The Gideons. The Gideons, yeah.

Gideon approved. No, I'm sorry. But it's because it's been such a heavily edited thing. Well, anyway. Perhaps it was marketed in Pentecostal circles somewhere.

We're just not aware. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think that the Christian community got really excited. Like, we have this Jesus movie, and now there's going to be a Noah movie. And then somebody was like, you know the Noah movie was made by an atheist, right?

And then they were all like, no! And then they all sort of took to the streets. I think that's how it went down. I think they did a lot of audio advertising, but it was all spoken in tongues, so good luck with that. Well, the Golden Compass, do you remember when that?

Oh, yeah. The books were fantastic. They got in a lot of trouble, too. Yeah, but then that whole thing is like, oh, he's whatever, yeah. But they didn't make the second and third, and probably that might have been part of it.

It was actually pretty good, but yeah. All right. Do we want to get away from God? Let's take our break, and then we'll come back and get into this week's other topic, which I don't think is God-related at all. This is a reproduction of one of Michelangelo's greatest works.

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Alright, we are back and it is time for The Grind. In this segment we discuss a specific topic or question related to movies and this week our question and or topic comes from Lucy and she's been sitting on it for almost a year now. We mentioned sort of this topic in passing a long time ago as we sat outside at the flea market. And even then I could see her just like just raring to go to attack certain celebrity children. We'll get to those in a minute.

But yeah, so we're supposed to talk about Hollywood dynasties. And I guess just the general overall families that keep working within the business. Or some maybe does the kid measure up. To the parents? So, however you would like to go about this.

Do you want to start with the main one, Lucy? No, I feel badly now. Like, really, this wasn't orchestrated as an involved attack. It's been building up forever. Go ahead.

Get into it. Take the gloves off. Let's go. No, I was hoping, like, I didn't think you would unveil my strategy. You did, a year ago.

At the offset of the show. I thought we could build to that, and then maybe at some point it would come up. Do you want me to just start making fun of Xanadu or whatever her name is? I kept getting it wrong last time. I still haven't seen her films because I think it would be too hurtful to me if they are of quality similar to those of her brother.

Again, visually, I think she has talent. I think it looks good. I think it was mostly the storytelling parts that I had major issues with. So, yeah, I think she has more problems with structuring the movie than the actual visual direction. Fair enough.

That's all I have on her. I've seen that one movie of hers. Which is highly influenced by the DP. I was about to say, since we have a DP in the room. I wasn't blaming him.

Sorry, Xanadu. That's not a name. What is it? I think it's Xan. Alexandra.

They were excellent kid actors in the Nick Cassavetes films. Anyway, for those playing at home, Nick Cassavetes is the offspring of John Cassavetes and Jenna Rollins, who, by birthright, should be a perfect human being. and instead has made films like The Notebook. That's all. I don't even think I have to say anything beyond that. You can't see me.

I'm yawning right now. Just thinking about The Notebook. Just thinking about The Notebook. I see Notebook you're down. So, any of his other films you're not a fan of?

I mean, that one kind of takes the cake. Did you do the one with Halle Berry and the 911 thing? Oh, The Call? That's not him. We talked about that same episode.

Well, that's an episode I listened to. Maybe he came up in that episode. He did. No, that was, what's his name that did Happy Accidents, which was a great film. I'm forgetting his name right now.

Happy Accidents or Happy Endings? Happy Accidents. Happy Accidents is, and I don't know what I like. I feel like now we're just launched. We're just spiraling at this point.

I don't think he's related to anyone else. But everybody at home should watch Happy Accidents. It stars Marissa Tomei and Vincent D'Onofrio. And it is the most delightful romantic comedy, and I'm not generally a fan of that genre. But it's a time travel movie, or maybe it's not.

Another one of those. Yeah. All right, then. If you've said your piece on the Cassavetes offspring. If I've said my piece.

If I'm on the record. It just hurts, that's all. For anyone who didn't hear it last time, she's kind of a fan of John. And Jenna. And their perfect love.

And all their friends that used to hang out and make movies. And somehow they made these demon spawn children. It just doesn't make sense. I mean, I would be fine if you were a terrible person but a great filmmaker. I like that criteria.

I fit that. No, wait, no, no. Terrible filmmaker, great, no, wait a minute. I don't know about either. I don't know.

Let me rethink it. I'll get back to you. I think we all have to make that decision for ourselves. Although he did make a film called Alpha Dog, which does have Harry Dean Stanton in it. So I guess he's done one thing right.

Isn't JT in there, too? He is, and not terrible. So there's the crossover. When we're playing the Harry Dean Stanton game, which we're going to make that. Forget this Kevin Bacon, right?

We can connect Harry Dean Stanton to everybody. It's much more efficient. You've got one move to JT. All right, do we want to pick some other families? Oh, I definitely have one.

I'm really excited about this. There's been a teaser. Okay, I have several... I have several categories here, but we'll first get into the ones that annoy me. And this may not be a popular family with all of you, but the Coppolas.

Oh, I love the Coppola discussion. Really just bugged the crap out of me. And it's not necessarily because they lack talent. Lost in Translation, I thought, was a Sofia Coppola film, was a decent film. Again, great DP there.

Great DP, great actor. You can't go wrong with Bill Murray. However, what I do have the issue with, and this is across the board with Hollywood families, is bypassing the system to get to jump into the director's seat. And my partner, Archie Borders, always says it's not enough to make a movie. You have to make a good movie.

And I think that the good part is often overlooked with these dynasties. And Sofia Coppola is a perfect example of that. But she has this is access to all these people. That's the key word, I think. She surrounds herself with people who know what they're doing.

Now, a good producer will do that, but they'll admit to doing that. I oftentimes hire people that are ten times smarter than I am to go do the jobs that they do very well. It is just smart filmmaking from your standpoint, from her standpoint. I understand why she does what she does. But again, you can kind of call her out.

I think it's just one of those, she is in that position and she's the only one in that position. So it's like, either cash in on it or, you know, you gotta go get a real job. So, I mean, I don't blame her, but I definitely am kind of on your side. And it's also the built-in attention you're going to get. Like, all the accolades that are...

It's almost they're there waiting for you before the movie's even finished. Because what's the version Suicides Are First? Yeah. Boston Translation is the only one I've actually seen. And it's...

Virgin Suicide was not, in my opinion, not a good film. I mean, it was this freshman effort which was, you know, which was given 100 times more attention than it should have ever been given. But she cast it well. That's the thing. She cast it.

And the soundtrack. I know the effort. I've had the soundtrack for years. And the soundtrack is great. So she does things well, but I think she does things well by committee.

So she should not be in the director's chair. She's somebody that I hate watching the same way that I hate watching Aronofsky. I've seen every single one of her movies. I see them on opening night, generally, and I cannot stand her. But I watch them because I feel like they're becoming increasingly...

Her entire oeuvre is one of privilege, and it's one of movies about people who we're supposed to somehow empathize or pity because they are. Stuck at a five-star Tokyo hotel, or they're a beautiful blonde in the suburbs, or they're the queen of France. I've always had a soft spot for her, the queen of France. But they're tortured internally, and that's what we're supposed to connect with. And that's complete bullshit.

I can't connect with that. I will say, though, that I do find something delightful about her. And I guess this sort of brings in, had she ever had a child with Spike Jonze, that would have been interesting to see what happened to that kid. But I felt like her was very much Spike's movie about their relationship. And obviously, Lost in Translation, she's pretty much said, was very much her relationship with Spike.

Yeah. It's like they're having the most public... It's like a cinema... Those songs, those callback songs from the 50s were like... I feel like that's what's happening.

And it's sort of interesting to watch something that personal happen on that public level. And what's interesting about her is that... I haven't seen it, but... What's her name? I'm blanking her name.

Who did the voice? Scarlett? Yeah, originally it was Samantha Morton or. Yeah, that's what I heard. Did the whole thing.

And so that adds even more to that, that she... They recast her voice as the final one since she's in it. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just incidental. If you go deeper into the Coppola clan.

There are several levels. There are several levels. The deep tracks. The deep tracks of the Coppola clan, Talia Shire. Hidden tracks.

Right? Jason Schwartzman. True. Who actually I enjoy watching. I think he's fun.

Talia Shire, I've never gotten her. I've never, you know. Again, just latching on to a good situation. Wow. I'm not a perfect human being.

I would probably do the same thing. I'm not faulting them for doing what they do. That's kind of my. Thing with Sophia, too. I would hop in Dad's.

Car the second he opened the door. I would definitely do that. But the fact that I'm not doing it and they aren't makes me bitter. Because you, as you mentioned, fought through all those years and PA jobs and all that crap along the way. You have reason to be bitter.

Absolutely. So I certainly get your perspective. But, again, if I'm Sophia, I would get. Right on board with that. Sophia Coppola has never stood in knee-deep mud holding a reflector while a copperhead ran through her legs.

She has never done that, and I have. But we're all going that direction. I don't know. I kind of want to pose this. What are your thoughts on Francis in recent years? because i've just watched was it twigs or whatever yeah he's he's and again maybe it's one of those he became more passionate about making wine than he did about making films because that last one i don't know i feel like he's kind of working backwards as a filmmaker he's like it seemed like right out of the gate he he started doing these well again once he started you know getting to the point he's doing the godfather and stuff like that he's doing like these well polished, well orchestrated pieces that seem like it would take you much longer than his early Roger Corman days to get, you know, he pretty quickly jumps to that, you know, within a few years.

And now you look at him and I swear now watching that last one, it feels like he's like a freshman filmmaker. It feels like he's just going with all gut and, and, you know, he's trying to put his heart on the screen, but it loses all structure. It loses everything. the basics of filmmaking and storytelling. And like, so again, it has that thing like, here, I made this. It has this little kid feeling of, look how cool this part is.

But like, you lose all the, what should be a polished filmmaker should know how to do all this by now. And I feel like he's lost that over the years. He may not have lost it, but I think he's gotten very lazy. I think he just doesn't care. Like, as far as interviews with him on that, it was like, he's just like, You know, this is what I wanted to do.

I don't care. Like, he's got that, like, I can do whatever I want system in play now. And, like, so now he... When nobody's telling you no, it's what most big filmmakers get to. You make whatever the hell you want, even if it's terrible.

See, I don't... He could do anything and people would still worship him. It doesn't matter at this point. But that's probably based on his early work, too. Yeah.

It's kind of like... Well, anyway, yeah. Yeah, I don't think that the films that he's made recently are successes by any stretch of the imagination. But I do... respect the choice to sort of go in that sort of really weird art house direction. I mean, that's kind of what Nicholas Ray did and what John Houston did and which I love about both of those directors is that they started out in the studio system.

They're making these like very, these great, but still sort of, you know, by the book sort of films. And then as they got older, they just got weird as hell. And that was the thing watching that. I was like, I totally respect him for making it. Like I, and I, again, there's so much visually there.

But it's like, why? If it were a different filmmaker, I'd be like, oh, this guy just doesn't know how to. But I'm like, I know you can. Like, I've seen you do it in the past. You know how to structure a film and make it work on so many other levels.

And it's like, is it just he doesn't care now? Or is it just, like, I respect the arthouse way that he's going. He's going minimal budgets usually. Like, I like what he's doing. I just wish it was a little more polished.

A little more good. More gooderer. A little more gooderer. I. I think maybe he just has a different vision than we do.

But even a different vision than the younger version of himself. He's become a very different filmmaker as the years have gone on. I'm trying to recall what are some of the recent. I can't remember their names because they all have weird names. Twix was that one with Val Kilmer.

I haven't seen that one. That's the one I saw most recently. What was the one that he was taking on the live show that he was doing? Because again, I totally respected the craziness of that. that he was touring around with that one, and he was actually, this will be interesting for you as a filmmaker, he had different cuts of the film, and he was doing it as a live performance. It was almost performance art through film.

He had different cuts. He was reading the audience and putting in a different cut for how he felt like they were, like, it really was like a live experience. Wow, I know nothing about this. That one was awesome, like, as an idea. Again, I haven't even seen that film, so I don't know how the Once you edit it and put it on DVD, it changes that total experience.

But yeah, I don't know. But that kind of stuff, I totally respect that he's doing that now as an older filmmaker. But it's just weird that, again, that's the kind of crazy stuff somebody in college would be doing. And now he's an old man that's been making movies his whole life and he decides. So he just feels like he's reverted to a younger filmmaker as he's gotten older and maybe just crazier.

And I'm blanking the Coppola thing. But it's not the last name of the actor that's in... Yes, thank you. That's what I'm saying. He's the hidden track of this album.

Oh, my gosh. So how do we feel about that? I mean, somebody who eschews the name. I mean, is that real? Did he really.

I mean, if you're buying that early story, I guess you have to respect him, right? Because he was doing what Sophia didn't do. He's like, I don't want to skate by on the name. I want to earn my way into being an actor or a celebrity or whatever he planned on being. So...

If that were true, whatever he became, I mean, if that's true, I guess you would respect him more, right? But again, we don't know, because very quickly everybody went, oh, you know, he's related to Coppola. But if that story was public, and if everyone knew that he did it, so then it just makes. It more complex. Is it just him making him seem like he's, yeah.

Well, he had two great films and one mediocre film. And that was it. That sums up his career. I can think of one. Leaving Las Vegas. was an amazing film, I thought.

Yeah. I thought... Raising Arizona okay there we go his performance in Raising Arizona his performance in Raising Arizona absolutely he made that film but that ensemble cast everybody made that film everybody was great in that film and then I. And of course the third one Drive Angry 3D Valley Girl sorry. I apologize.

I figured we were going pretty early. I would like to nominate Bad Lieutenant 2, Port of Call, New Orleans, completely unironically. The Electric Boogaloo? Bad Lieutenant 2, Electric Boogaloo? I'm going to see it just on your praise because I watched the first one recently.

I can't get that time back if I watch it. I promise. It's something you want in your life. Well, it's Herzog, right? It is Herzog.

That right there is crazy. And then you add extra crazy. I, I, yeah, I think it's a stunning film. So it's, it's like, it's a retelling in a way, but it's also its own. It has nothing to do with bad Lieutenant, except there is a Lieutenant in it.

Who is that? That is the only connection. The first one was able for air, wasn't it? Cause he was pissed off about that too. Where did they get the title from then?

I, he. Did not like them not tying it to you. He was not happy with that title, but, but it's great. It's, It's great. And that's all I'm going to say.

It's legitimately fantastic. All right. I will watch it purely on your recommendation, then. The Bad Lieutenant 2, The Electric Boogaloo. Everybody, mark it down.

So I did cheat in IMDb. The other two movies that I was thinking about were Tetro and Youth Without Youth. Yeah. Tetro, I heard a lot of that same stuff about it. It was terrible.

And Youth Without Youth, I actually thought was pretty good. At least really interesting. See, but, I mean, he left behind... I mean, if you go back to, like, jack like during those middle years i was like what. Are you doing like jack what are you doing i had i had blanked that out oh yeah i.

Think everybody tried to and even what was the matt damon the the lawyer when rainmaker yeah like that and that was just like by the book like it wasn't bad but i'm just like it's so not a coppola movie like it's just like could have shoved anybody in there here's another grisham movie just make one of these. And I feel like those were the wine financing years. Probably. Probably. I think Dracula's the last I've seen of his, actually, now that I think about it.

And I felt like he gets a bad rap for that. I like it. I think that's a very. I. Liked how he doesn't belong in it.

Yeah. Well, everybody likes to badmouth him, but I think... Was it Sterling that brought up the point? Jonathan is an idiot. We needed someone to play in it.

Like, he lives with a vampire for months on end and is like, something's peculiar around here. So you kind of need an idiot to play him. So I was like, once he said that, I was like, all right, maybe it was good casting, actually. Jonathan Harker's a moron. Gary Oldman's great in that.

Oh, he's fantastic. Again, that's great. The blue sunglasses. His key performance for me. That's kind of where I go to.

I mean, he's got so many, but like, I don't know, he's just so good at it. I like his role in the professional... Oh, yeah. Well, that was that run. That 90s run.

Romeo is Bleeding. Now, if only he and Uma Thurman or Isabella Rossellini had ever had kids. Well, see, that goes into one of my other categories, is people that I wish had started Dynasty. Why aren't you having children? People that I wish had started Dynasty.

Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman falls into that category. I so wish he would have a baby. With Harrison Ford. With Harrison Ford.

Based on that last movie. I do. I really do. I'll have a baby with Gary Oldman. I'll take one for the team.

All right, Gary. It's on the table. Quite literally, I suppose. However you want to go about it. Well, then.

So, have we finished the Coppola clan? I think so. Yeah, did we hit on everybody? We didn't talk about Carmine. We didn't talk about the patriarch. who did all the music, who is also an Oscar winner.

They're like the other family other than the Houstons that has three generations of Oscar winners. So, shout out to Carmine, if that's his name. We've said a lot of odd things about your family, but if you'd like to, you know, if the wine company would like to sponsor the show, or send us free cases of wine, whatever, we'll take whatever we can. Goes great with Uncle Matty's pizza. None of these are working, by the way, you realize that.

I don't care, I'm going to keep going. I had Uncle Matty's on my way here, just... FYI. What a shock. Oh, we had that last night.

It's really good. It is good. They make a really good pizza. Yeah. Yeah.

And they have the, oh, because they have the vegan cheese. Yeah. They drag their feet on sponsoring, though. Well, maybe because. Speaking of sponsoring, Prison State PBS Frontline, April 29th.

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Okay. Just getting the right plug out there so we know where to look for it. Please check your local listings. There you go. Do you have other people you want to move on to?

I've got a random list, but if you've got ones that you're more angry at... Oh, angry? I was going to say the Fondas, but I don't think that's... Nah. That one's not...

That one doesn't make me angry. Well, then you just get to the bottom of it and go, what the hell happened to Bridget? The ones that just sort of disappear. She's had some good moments. Yeah, but where did she go?

She. Seemed like she left the whole acting thing behind. Well, she did the right thing then. She took her own life like a samurai. It's what one must do when they dishonor the family.

Did she? And yet Jane didn't? Wait, how did this go? If not for the 60s stuff, how about for Monster-in-Law or whatever that thing was? She did start the home exercise craze.

If not invented it, she certainly perfected it and marketed it better than anyone. You gotta hand it to her on that. With the help of Ted's money. Everything works better with Ted's money. Again, if Ted would like to sponsor this show.

We're on some Turner ads right now. And with the help of Spandex. Yeah, leg warmers and Spandex. If nobody else has a new one, I'd like to bring up the Smiths. As in Will Smith.

Go ahead. Silly little boy, Jaden. And girl. Take your pick. I haven't seen anything with her in it yet.

Mostly her musical career. It's a different road. I appreciate the trajectory that Will has been on. The Pursuit of Happiness was in my top ten of all time greatest films. I thought that from a storytelling perspective and the adaption of a true event, a real life story, I mean, it definitely wasn't a Pearl Harbor.

Crickets. Rightful. But, just the way that story was told and the way that he transformed himself to play that character, I just thought was a stunning performance. I really, I thought he was completely overlooked for what he did in that film. But, Then he gave us Jaden.

And, you know, I mean, the Karate Kid. Remake, come on. I didn't even bother. I watched it, and I had to keep the knife out of my hand because I was going to take my own life. Has anybody seen Six Degrees of Separation?

Oh, yeah. That's early. Fantastic film. Well, there's another legacy in there, too. Sutherland.

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And, um... Oh, he's a woman.

That's fantastic. She was in Grease. Stalker Channing. Stalker Channing. Yeah.

But with Will, what I don't understand is, like, he's had what's probably, what, at least 20-year span of, like, being kind of beloved. Like, not just people like him a little bit. Like, even when he makes bad movies or whatever, people just kind of still love him because he's such a likable guy. How the hell is it that, like, I have met no one who likes that Jaden kid. Like, how can you, like, love the dad so much?

Well, okay, Lucy, go ahead then. And hate the son so much. I feel badly. And I'll talk trash about Nick Cassavetes until the cows come home. But he's a kid.

We've got to leave this kid alone. It kind of broke my heart when he got nominated for a Razzie. Or did he get the Razzie? Like, it's just mean. That's what I think is weird, though.

Like, not only, like, everyone loves Will Smith, but, like, this poor child across the board. People just despise him. I think despise is a strong word. I've heard a lot of bad comments about him. I do not appreciate what he is trying to do in the industry.

Let's put it that way. I think he should finish school. He should go to college and he should try to be an accountant or something for a while. And then maybe. Are you saying that because you don't like his performances so much?

Because there are so many child actors that I think are good that I'm like, thank God they didn't go to school. School's lame. Look at these amazing. Performances we got for years. I think he is an extremely weak actor.

Yeah. I wonder if the Smith children have been kind of forced into their Hollywood roles as being. Whatever the girl does, her horrible music, and I don't even know. But I don't know. I wonder if that's even something they're interested in or if they're just kind of forced into it because that's what they can think.

They can make money off of them like they're little commodities. I will not believe that Will would do that to his daughter. See? He's still beloved. He is beloved.

He is. I don't know. So we'll blame Mom. I think we can't even really wrap our heads around that reality. Wrap?

I think. Where you're going. I was going way back. I was going deep on the will. Go ahead.

I mean, if you grow up in that environment and it's just sort of the family business and you just, I mean, I know there's a certain sense of entitlement. I'm sure the kid's a real asshole, but it's not. I don't know. He's a kid. He's a kid.

And he'll grow up and he'll realize that he's not just entitled to have a career and you have to work for things. Oh or maybe he takes some. Classes or maybe he won't but let's give him a chance we. All turn on him right now maybe he'll run away we'll all win yay no this is one i wanted to bring up because this i think fits almost all of this stuff is like i think it's always a bad idea for the child to go into the same business as the parent specifically the same job. Like if you can adjust it a little and be like, okay, you were an actor.

I want to be a director. Maybe you can get it. But I mean, does it constantly stack the deck so much that like, you're never going to get a fair break. Like even if you end up going through the right channels and not coasting on your name and are actually talented and, you're still constantly going to be compared to your parents. So is that just a bad idea?

Nepotism in any industry is bad. It is bad. I don't care if you're a bail bondsman. It's just not the right thing to do. You do your children a disservice by allowing them to not have to go through the system.

My daughter wants desperately to be a set designer. And given the fact that my career is on such a stellar upward trajectory. You don't even know how awesome. You were like, come on, honey, let's go. Bring your fabrics and get on in here.

That's right. But no, I would definitely give her jobs on sets as a PA. I would allow her to hang around the set, and I think that's given her a little glimpse inside of what what happens on a film set, and you get to know film set etiquette. But I would expect my daughter, if my career had any sort of upward mobility in all seriousness, I would expect my daughter to work from the ground floor and to learn all those things that I had to learn starting out, which is you are the bottom of the food chain until you aren't. Until you can make yourself not.

Until you can make yourself not. And the attitude is everything. And rolling your eyes at the production coordinator because you don't want to go get somebody a salad is the wrong thing to do. You don't do those things. And I think that whether you're starting out as the first person in your family in this industry or you're a third generation or a fourth generation, you have to learn those things.

And parents that don't allow their children to learn those things the hard way are doing them a major disservice. I think when you don't arrive to a point, and that's the thing, they're just jumping right in and skipping all that. And then also, I wonder how, say Sofia Coppola, I wonder how she does treat people in positions that she hasn't actually had to do herself. Maybe she does have a grace on the set, but I doubt it. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. Because if you did start out getting coffee, you're not going to talk down when you're at that point where you're asking someone to get coffee. I think if you work as a director... And I've never directed a feature. I've only directed documentaries.

But if you work as a director, I believe that in order to be an efficient director, you have to at least have empathy. And you have to understand that time takes time. It takes a long time for somebody to perform this action, to set the lights, and to do all these. You have to have some empathy for those other crew positions, or else you... you walk onto a set with a really warped sense of reality, and it just creates bad bedfellows. I mean, the crew is going to, I think, resent you the first time you make a mistake.

And from that point on, that stuff shows up on the screen. And I don't care. You could argue that ten ways to Sunday. It will show up on the screen in some way, shape, or form. when there's not cohesiveness and when there's not a real love for the director. Because the director is the key.

The director is the one that's captaining the ship. And you have to follow the director. I just feel like it seems like, again, it just seems like whatever business you go in, if you're ending up going, specifically because the entertainment business is so publicized and everything is about the way that you market stuff and what people say about, you know, celebrities, whether or not it has anything to do with their art. To me, it's just like, you are just setting yourself up. And so many times it feels like the kid never gets out of the shadow of, of who they ever wants in a while.

There's an example where they will kind of surpass, but it just seems like so many, and you see so many kids do that. And I guess it's just exposure. They're just surrounded by the business and they're like, well, that's what I do. But I don't know. It just seems like so many times that you see them go into the exact same business, and then they're just fighting that fight from day one.

Maybe they coasted in on their name, but then as soon as they get there, people just want to rake them over the coals because of their name. So it's a double-edged sword in some cases, it seems like. Well, but there have been a few families where the children have surpassed. Yeah. It's the exception, but there are a good amount of them.

I think the Bridges family. There's Lloyd, but Jeff Bridges is, I think, an icon. The guy, not to put too fine of a point on it, but I think the guy really sets the bar for a lot of Hollywood actors nowadays. He's somebody to look at and aspire to be that good. And then there's Bo Bridges.

He's got a sitcom now? Does he? I don't know if this is still the case, but a few years ago I was walking down Hollywood Boulevard and there's the Lloyd Bridges star and then there's the Jeff Bridges star and then there's an empty star. They really want Bo to like. There's a piece of duct tape that says Bo on it.

He's just not there yet. That makes me a little sad. He can do it. We're collecting money to get it done. There's time.

And then there's todd bridges i met him. The most high caliber he's doing a lot of uh i met him in a comic book or i didn't may i saw him in the lobby in a comic book convention he's. Actually a producer with chris make peace on homes on home that's what he's doing. Now we had he had to do his public service lecturing at high schools Starting to say, as long as he's not knocking over liquor stores, good for him. He doesn't look like his dad, though.

Can we talk about people I wish had had dynasties? Some more of those people? Roger Deakins. I would like to be Roger Deakins' baby. Does he not have children?

Well, if he does, they're not in the industry. They're not you, which is the important part. What did you say? I was thinking about me. I didn't hear anything you just said.

Roger Deakins has such a catalog of great films under his belt. Brazil, Sid and Nancy, Fargo. Oh, I didn't realize he'd done Sid and Nancy. Oh, yeah, Sid and Nancy, Fargo, Raising Arizona, it was DP on that, No Country for Old Men, which, another dynasty, Brolin. Yeah.

You know, so he consistently churns out fantastic work. That guy is amazing, and I want to be his child. I think he just did the, I saw the, Prisoners? I think he did that. Yeah, he did.

I'm not certain. The way that was done, it really made that movie. That's worth seeing, specifically for that. Shawshank was another one. I actually worked on Shawshank.

I'd always liked Deacon's films since Brazil. And then watched Sid and Nancy and really fell in love. with his work there so when I got to I got a job on Shawshank just so I could watch him work which was really neat so most other kids were dating and I was following you know Roger. Deakins around yeah well. Since you were firing off all the Coen Brothers movies when's Joel and Francis gonna I mean shouldn't we be starting a whole new clan here we need more Coens following this up. That's dual dynasties.

Yeah. These brother dynasties. Another one is the Brooks family. Mel and Max. That's true.

In a different direction, kind of. But he's becoming bigger and bigger. It works. So you've got Mel Brooks, who's like. One of the funniest men on the planet.

Funniest man on the planet. He's AFI, Lifetime Achievement, Oscar, Tony. And then Max, who I didn't know this until recently... was actually a writer on SNL for several years before he released the Zombie Survival Guide. And then World War Z. And then he...

See, this is where I really think he's done it right. Max Brooks has done it right. He was asked to write the screenplay to World War Z and turned it down and said he is not a good enough screenwriter to do that. And I wish he had. I wish he had done it.

But it was like, that's the kind of humility that I would hope you would see in more Hollywood dynasties, and it doesn't exist. I would feel like even if he didn't have that name, just as the author of the book, they could have at least brought him in with somebody else. It would have probably come out a little better. Not last act, but anyway. Well, one of the ones I assumed we were going to go to pretty early was the Barrymores.

Everyone's favorite clan? Starting in Reverse? Yeah, I don't know. That's a tricky one because it's not really diminishing returns. I mean, it's sort of a skip generational thing, although Hollywood Confidential is great.

Or High School Confidential, sorry. I don't know. How do we feel about Drew Barrymore? Is she talented? Is there a point to her?

Okay, no. Is there a point to her? That's probably the better question. I don't love a lot of her performances, but I will say she seems to take what she does seriously. I don't think she thinks it's all a joke.

And especially like now she's gotten into directing. So it's like she still kind of takes her career seriously. Somehow she gets on screen and she usually just kind of acts silly. But like, I don't, I don't understand how one doesn't like improve the other. You would think if she had just took no interest in her career, she would get those performances.

But I feel like she still takes her career seriously, but her acting not so seriously. Because that's like even watching Whip It. Like I'm like, as a director, I don't have a problem with her. When she's doing her cameo type performance, it's horrible. It's like the worst thing in that movie is her little bit part in it.

So I don't know. I'm like, maybe you should just do more directing because you just keep doing Adam Sandler movies. I don't think she's done anything good since E.T. That was her pinnacle. Firestarter.

Firestarter. You know, okay. I can't believe I'm coming out with this. You love Charlie's Angels. I thought Never Been Kissed was a good movie.

I enjoyed that movie. I thought she was campy and Fun to watch. It's not going on the shelf of all-time favorites. There's a level where she can do that stuff, and that's the thing. She was a comedic presence in that film.

She really carried off that, pulled off that character. I thought it was good. She's got a level where she can work, but I don't know. Again, she just keeps doing Adam Sandler movies. There's another new one for God's sakes.

She's one of those people also that can do anything and it just becomes popular. She just released a book a few months ago that is photos she took of heart-shaped objects. So it's an Instagram account. It is. But they gave her a book deal.

What the fuck? That's exactly my thoughts. Oh my god. And then it's all about the preface. I read the preface and it's all about love.

I've got to get out of here. We'll take a break on that one. It's really silly. And I was thinking she's going on this big model. I'm going to release a book of dick-shaped objects.

How about that? There's already three of them. There's three of them out there. It's phallic right here. She's been married, like, what, seven times?

And she's talking about love and how, yeah, I don't know. She loves everyone. Apparently. For real. For a minute.

She loves scamming the public. That's it. I've never been kissed sucked. She's mighty. I don't like her.

I'm sorry. When's her album coming out? Oh, God. Yeah, probably next week. Nice.

I don't like her. The end. Drew, we love you. If you ever want to come. On the show.

She's a nerd. She's almost a non-person. Lucy's thinking, I was this close to getting her for the Harry Dean Stanton Fest. This close. That's only my opinion.

Thanks, jackasses. Bring Lionel with you. This will be interesting. I don't know. I mean, she did come from pretty big names up there back in the day.

And it's funny that, yeah, she went in a totally different direction. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me. Well, was she one of the producers for Donnie Darko? Because wasn't she kind of influential in that being able to happen? You didn't like that?

Oh, no. I can't wait to do that episode. We keep putting it on. Why have we not done that episode? There'll be blood.

It's going to get vicious. You didn't like that either? No. Actually, I didn't, but that was not a reference to that. I was just saying it's going to be a bloody episode.

Nods and Gunny Dark was fantastic. Except the things that are great. Except the things that you like. And those things I love. But most things.

Speaking of things I love, let's get this positive again. Let's talk about the Houstons. Because the Houstons are the family that I want the Cassavetes to be. All right. So you start with Walter, who is an amazing actor.

And then you've got John, who is an amazing writer-director. Also actor, maybe not his strong point, but still good. But he liked doing it. Yeah, you know, he did it for kicks. And then you just have like a million Houstons after that.

And every time I feel like I see a really great performance, and I'm like, who is this? Like, the sniper on Boardwalk Empire. I was like, who is this guy? He's amazing. Jack Houston.

Sure enough, it's a Houston. Like, they're all over the place. And they're phenomenal. And they keep making them. And they had a.

City in Texas named after them. Because they misspelled it, so that was dumb. Texas fucks everything. That's not true. We love you, Texas.

We have a lot of Texas listeners. We really do. Yeah, like two-thirds of our audience. We have three people from Texas. For a long time, it was like two-thirds Texas.

I don't understand why. But they're from Austin, which is a cool. Because we love Texas. They teach creationism in the schools in Texas. Just a brand full circle here.

That's a true story, isn't it? Yes, it is. Wow. We love you, Texas. Anyway, so is Angelica knocking out kids?

It's probably a little late now, but... Yeah, I don't think so. When you have a relationship with Jack Nicholson for that long, I think you just decide that maybe Offspring. Isn't the best idea. Speaking of which, she's got a daughter.

She's a golfer. She's well. She's in a lot of stuff. Was Rebecca Broussard, did they? Is that Rebecca Broussard's kid?

Add that one to the list because it was one of the first ones that came up. Lorraine Nicholson. She is in several movies now. She's not the lead yet, but she's a Nicholson, so they'll probably start giving her some. So I thought that was...

How old is she? 23. She's in that Soul Surfer movie, but she's not the girl. She's like her friend, I guess. She's one of the leads, but she's not, like, the girl.

So she's paying her dues. There you go. Well, I mean, she paid her dues. Her dad's Jack Nicholson. Who we might actually want for Hades to infest some years.

Hey, I like the guy, but, I mean, it's got to be a rough childhood, right? Your dad's Jack Nicholson? Come on. I just thought of something. Tatum O'Neil and Ryan O'Neil in Paper Moon.

Being in the same movie. Oh, wow. That's so true. And I read... I didn't see it until maybe two years ago, and I love...

The Last Picture Show is one of my favorite movies, and I saw that, Paper Moon, and I read about how the dynamic with them, too, and that's something that is an extra element to this, is how their relationship, actually. Because she was the youngest person to win an award, and he was really awful to her. Just one of the most tragic Hollywood relationships ever. Paternal relationships, yeah. And that movie is fantastic.

And their relationship in the movie is... Yeah, anyway, I just thought of that. Was that story about him hitting on her ever validated? Do you guys remember that? I read something that.

Go ahead. Like in a... Like spanking her? Or like. At an event and didn't know who she was and hit on her.

Like, they had become... Awkward. Yeah. And she was like, um, it's me, Tatum, you asshole. Well, she was married to John McEnroe and all, like, had a messed up thing.

Oh, God, I can't remember. I didn't know she had a series of relationships in her life. And I almost want to say that was at Farrah Fawcett's funeral, too, but I could be conflating that with the Polanski story. I don't know. Oh, Ryan.

This is dangerously close to People Magazine territory here. All right, so, Cruz Kidman. Oh, God, Connor. Oh, Connor. Everyone's new favorite Smith.

Is he moving into the Jaden territory? Not that the remake of Red Dawn... It wasn't a wet blanket to begin with. But he was the wet blanket on the wet blanket. I love that you actually watch these movies.

And can weigh in. Oh, I do. I do. And tell us what we all suspected. But we're afraid to confirm.

I am not a student of film history. I like what I like and I watch what I watch. And the first time that I see a film, I do it. purely for the joy of watching a film. And then I go back and ruin the experience for myself by dissecting it. But the first time I watched a film, but Red Dawn was one of those films where, you know, as bad as it was in the 80s, I loved it.

I loved everything about it. You have to love it, kind of. Wolverines! Who doesn't love that? And just the remake of that was like a Hitler painting.

I hear he was pretty good. I don't know. Red Dawn. i mean it i almost give it credit for more like what it did at the time it was tapping into a mentality that only existed at that time and play and watching it now like if you're a kid now watching that movie you don't Get it. But like America was in such a weird point at that in history that like that movie just sort of nails it in a way, in a really cheesy way. But like you kind of, I don't know.

It's one of those like we need to preserve that movie in the Smithsonian because it captures a point in America that I don't know if any other movie really does. When I met my wife in 97 and so we're at that getting to know you phase, you know, and so I said, you've got to see this movie. And I hadn't seen it in 15 years or whatever. I'm like, you've got to see this movie. It was the greatest movie ever.

And I turned it on. And God bless her, she watched it. She didn't say a word through the entire thing. And afterwards she looked at me and said, you had a very bad childhood, didn't you? And then you wept for an hour.

And then I wept. I was in the sucking my thumb position. Well, there is something that differentiates why the first one was so good as Harry Dean Stanton. I figured we were going to go over there. It really all comes back to that.

The thread that goes through all of fine films. That's true. And the fence. That's true. Which is why I love Molly Ringwald.

That's all you need. Because she was in Pretty in Pink with Harry Dean Stanley. Which was on TV yesterday. I watched it. That's right.

He's not in it enough. And John Cryer, too much. Don't worry, he's cashing his paychecks now. It all came full circle. Nobody cared about him that much in the 80s, but I think about how much he makes off that damn sitcom now.

John Cryer's hiding out? He didn't like that one? See, that's the Morgan Stewart coming home. These are fine films that he made, but didn't really cash the big paychecks back in the day. What about Bruce and Laura Dern?

Yeah. And Diane Ladd. Don't forget Diane Ladd. Oh, yeah. Mom's famous, too.

I don't like the way Laura Dern cries. Oh, my God. It's sad that we brought that up on this show before. The Laura Dern cry face. The Laura Dern cry face.

It's like, well, it's like Jack Nicholson's Joker. That's who she looks like when she cries. It's horrifying. That downturn. Yeah.

I don't think it fits just fine in Blue Velvet because it's disturbing. So, I mean, it fits really well with Lynch kind of stuff. But trying to work it in other movies, I don't know. Well, Wild at Heart. Oh, yeah, because what's his name?

Harry Dean Stanton? No. Yes. Nick Coppola? Exactly.

That movie, I felt nauseous after that film. Wild at Heart? Yeah. I really did. I felt sick.

Because anything, the vomit scene with her, and you didn't even see her puke, but do you know the movie very well? Yeah, I know the movie. It's good. It's been several years. But I just can't ever watch it again.

It's been several years since I've seen it. But yeah, that scene with her and Willem Dafoe. See, that should make you sick. When he was up in her hair. Willem Dafoe.

That was a factor, yeah. He's creepy. Yeah, but Willem Dafoe is another one which, if he had a child in the industry, I'd probably watch. Most definitely. Without judgment.

Well, there's one that I'm rooting for. I mean, to get to one that I was like, again, I don't think it's broken through yet, but my beloved Leah Thompson has a daughter who is now an actress and is just kind of now coming through. She was on like a Disney show and like now she's... Stop. Stop right there.

No, no. Even better. She's going to be on Vampire Academy. Too bad she couldn't have been in Red Dawn. No.

Don't you say bad things about Zoe. Leah Thompson was in the first one, right? Leah Thompson was in the first one. Who was the other? Jennifer Grey.

Jennifer Grey. Yes. with original movies. And we could do a, you could do an episode on reconstructive surgery running careers. Or making them. Yeah.

Or ruining them and then making them. That's right. Yeah. What happened with that? Or what's an example of that?

I think there's only one example of that and that's Mickey Rourke. Oh, oh yeah, right. Yes. They're like, oh no, this face cannot. Be in movies.

Oh wait, this face can be in a very specific kind of movie. Yeah. And we'll keep making that movie. Which was funny because remember that movie Johnny Handsome that he did? I didn't see that.

It's actually worth seeing. It's really interesting. No, it's Morgan Freeman and who's the woman in it? It was one of those cable standards. They played that thing to death back in the day.

Because it's all about his he had a reconstructive surgery. It was like this experimental thing and it made him Mickey Rourke. It made him beautiful. But he was trying to get out of crime and it was like a new life but then he got back. But it's And it's interesting because it's kind of a little foreshadowing.

Because I think after, I think around that time he was starting to get into boxing. Yeah. Because Rumble was, what was Rumblefish? That was 85? Rumblefish was 83 years.

A couple of classic. I love it. Yeah. It might have been 85. Yeah, because Outsiders I think was 83.

Yeah. And then Johnny Handsome was late 80s. But then, yeah, so anyway, I just thought of that. I feel like Mike's having an important thought. Yeah, I'm following the chain.

Estevez with Swayze with, and then you've got the Sheens. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. That was on my list, too. The Sheen-Estevez clan, as it were.

Which I will say is the only funny thing, the only somewhat clever thing in the most recent Machete film, and yes, I watched the most recent Machete film, is the fact that they cast Charlie Sheen as the President of the United States. That was funny casting, I'm sorry. Like, that was pretty damn funny. That's kind of the best joke in the movie. I was just thinking, I can't believe I didn't see that film, and then I remembered, oh yeah, I did.

And then I completely forgot it. Yeah, it's kind of like that. It was just gone. I'm looking forward to the machete in space. I feel that...

And there's the other... There's Charlie and Emilio, and then there's... Who's the third one? Renee. Oh, no.

It's Estevez. It's another Estevez. It's... I can't remember his name. There's a Renee Estevez and then Ramon.

Ramon. Ramon. Yeah. Now, who's Renee? What is Renee?

Renee is the daughter. I'm trying to think. She's younger than both of them, I think. And she's been in a couple of things. I've seen her.

We'll leave it at that. Okay. But, again, it was just one of those, oh, there's another Estevez. But it's the mother that's, Charlie's mother is different though, right? Or do they all have the same mother?

I thought they were the same. And he just chose to use the name. Yeah. He was the asshole. I don't want to be Esther.

That freaking Emilio gets on my nerve. Oh wait, we keep making movies together. Are you showing, are they going to show Repo Man? We've shown it twice now. Because I've never seen it and I was thinking that would be a great way to see it for the first time.

I would love to show it. I actually, I can't see this on. The air. Yeah, anyway. Oh, now I'm having a sad moment.

Wait, hold on. Moving on. Emilio Estevez. Yeah, I would love to show it again. I would love Emilio Estevez to come.

He's like a horse industry kind of person. Oh, really? I feel like he might be accessible. Seems like I'm not doing much these days. But he doesn't...

He's directing. Last year or so, they did a huge Breakfast Club reunion, and everybody was there except Emilio. Really? And it was like in L.A. What?

Yeah. It was like they had them all on stage. They were all. Judd Nelson is telling stories. Like, he bothered to show up, but Emilio wouldn't come?

I was like, what? The Ally Sheedy would stop being crazy for a few minutes. Was Michael Hall there? Was Anthony Michael Hall there? Yeah.

Everybody in the cast was there, except Emilio. Which, point of no return, by the way. His big breakaway movie. If anybody's ever seen that. Not Johnny B.

Goode? No, this was point of no return. Not the remake of La Femme Nikita. That is blasphemy. I can't even watch that movie.

Luc Besson is a god. I know. Please. I almost threw it out. Have you seen his recent fantasy movie?

I actually almost started it, but I wanted to wait. It's a French where this girl finds a pterodactyl. It sort of looks like a Terry Gilliam type movie. Creationism. We're back on Creationism.

This is so exciting. He's remaking Pre-Hysteria? I'll look it up. But it's a Lucas Sun movie. He comes out with just...

He's so under the radar. You don't even know that. His movies are coming out. The sad thing is he's doing Taken 3. Oh, wow.

So he goes from things like The Big Blue and then Le Femme Nikita, which is just... I saw that movie in the theaters probably 20 times. I went back again and again and again. I absolutely love that film. And then he goes off and he does the professional and then he goes off and does something.

Fifth Element. I like the Fifth Element. I like the Fifth Element. I think the Fifth Element is a fun movie. It's a fun movie.

Chris Tucker. Anytime you can stick Chris Tucker in a film. I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it. They went 15 years and didn't, so I mean.

He's just now coming back. He's coming back, damn it. He's in Lexington right now, I think, as we speak. Is he really? Yeah, in the comedy off-Broadway.

I think he's fantastic. I love watching that guy. He's sort of redeemed himself. Chris Tucker does really good. I was amazed at how normal he could be and yet still kind of deliver a good performance.

Chris tucker does what i think a good actor is supposed to do which is make you forget what you're doing you know i watch that guy and i just am so mesmerized you know he just starts going on and on and it's like you were just a fascinating guy i would love to talk to you over dinner something he is something else Well. The one, it's the Extraordinary Adventures of, it's like 2010, Adele something. No, I didn't know anything about that. It started, and it looks really cool. It's like most of his recent movies.

What is he doing now? And most of his movies. He's doing Taken 3. Lucy is a movie that's coming out. Which looks great.

Is that, what's her name? That's the girl with your hands down. Yeah, I saw the trailer for it yesterday. I think she's like Drew Barrymore. She's almost, they're both like inert people.

Maybe that's what works to her benefit. I've come full. Circle on her. She's a non-person. I've come totally around.

I went in with no expectations early on, especially as she started becoming the hot chick that they just stuck in any movie. These last five or six years, she keeps turning in more solid performances. Sometimes in movies that you wouldn't even expect her to have a good role. I don't know. I think she's turning into a legit actress.

We're going to see this Oscar nominations thrown at her. Maybe it's just Name recognition at this point, I don't know. But I think she's turning in good work. Well, the first thing I saw her in was Ghost World. And she was great.

She was great. Yeah, that was fantastic. And what happened to Thor Birch? Thor Birch, I actually... I love her.

There was a film that I was working on not too long ago where we contacted Thor's... management oh cool yeah so she she ended up she was attached to another project. And couldn't do it but i haven't heard anything. Yeah she's she's doing i mean she's doing what so many actors in hollywood do which is they just take work to work they've got to keep their sag car they've got to keep their insurance so she's doing she's doing as much as she can um you know and unfortunately the the project that we threw at her just kind of overlapped with something else and so Didn't work out. But, yeah, she's game and was really friendly and willing to look at the script and great agent. I mean, fantastic agent.

The guy was, you know, so easy to deal with. So, yeah. Dora Birch. Dora Birch. We're on our set.

Fun. Cool. Yeah, fan. I'm a fan. All right.

American Beauty. You all like Dora Birch? I think I've only seen her in that and Ghost World. I don't know what else. She's done a lot of good stuff.

She was in Present Danger when she was a kid. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Boy, I pulled that out. It's impressive.

I do that all the time. There you go. And it frightens people. Wasn't he in that Dungeons and Dragons movie, too? Yeah.

I think so. That was like their big name. Yeah, yeah. That was their big name. That was their big name.

That was right after American Beauty. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's like having Michael Madsen as your big name. And Michael Madsen as the beaver.

Alright. How about the Paltros with a very popular actress these days. Man, she needs to stop talking to the press. She really does. She just digs the hole deeper every time.

What happened? Well, she, as a Hollywood mother, has it a little harder than most working mothers. Oh, that's I was like, Gwyneth, Gwyneth, really? Just go back to uncoupling or whatever it is you're doing right now because just stop talking to people. You're making it worse.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, she's uncoupling with her. She's uncoupling. Her other hardworking, famous person, husband thing. Well, didn't they name their kid Apple?

Yeah, there's an Apple. So let's go into this a little deeper. Let's get. I haven't read these reports because I generally avoid anything that has to do with Gwyneth. paltrow so i'd like to learn more about this please go. On um details i mean that was the one that most recently got her in trouble as she was just making some sort of comment on how it's hard when you know you have to go off and be gone for a couple of weeks from your children for once a year you know most working mothers in america were kind of outraged by that like every day of our lives we do this and we don't make multi-millions of dollars for the job that we're doing so yeah She kind of probably shouldn't have said that.

And that was after the end. Of the couple. This is in the same category as Drew Barrymore's Heart-Shaped Book. I think they should say these things. Well, she did just do a book, didn't she?

Some sort of home... Or she's definitely got her website that she wants to be Martha Stewart. Good, let's send her to jail. Appeal to, like, working moms. That could be a range, if you have the connection.

Gwyneth, you're in. Hollywood jail. Cell C. Sorry. Nanny can't come.

But yeah, I mean, we're going to have to contend with those children. I mean, we just have to deal with the inevitability. Something is going to be starring Apple, is what you're saying. Yeah, that Apple Martin will be. Okay, if we're working backwards, what do we think about Blythe?

Is she going downhill then? Blythe was actually a good actress, and now Gwyneth is not holding up her own. Blythe is a working actress and that's and always. Kind of and working with osteoporosis bless her heart yeah yeah there you go based on those commercials so she's. I work with allergies if that means anything to anybody I have horrible seasonal allergies but you don't see me on a commercial good town no I think Blythe I think Blythe is just she's just a working actress who fills the role and it's like You know her name, I think, because of Gwyneth.

These days, well, that's what I was going to say. That's one of those examples of, like, whether or not you think talent-wise, definitely popularity and just money-wise, she became a much bigger star than her mother ever was. Yeah, yeah. So then we can go to Angelina Jolie. Oh, my gosh.

Much bigger star these days because John turns in some scary performances now. He was great in Anaconda. Yeah, see? That's his best work. Then a little down, you know, Midnight Cowboy, but mostly Anaconda.

I just realized something. I'm sorry, I'm totally changing the subject. I'm actually going back two steps. I was thinking about Gwyneth Paltrow and the phenomenon of Gwyneth Paltrow, and I was thinking about Drew Barrymore and the phenomenon of Drew Barrymore, because it's not entirely dissimilar. They come from working parents who were in the industry but who didn't experience wild success. necessarily in terms of fame um and then i realized what the common thread is steven spielberg was both of their godfathers that's the trick really yeah.

Yeah so spielberg is to blame. Yeah pretty much way to go steven yeah he just cast them both as kids. What did what did gwyneth paltrow do young. She did hook started it all oh yeah. That was like 90.

When was that? I don't know. Back there. 93? Was it 93?

How old is she? She's like 40 now, right? Ancient. She's old enough to know better. Born in 74, so she was a teenager.

Old enough to know better. But yeah, so I guess the moral of the story is if you want your kid to be successful in Hollywood, you just make Steven Spielberg the godfather, which I don't think is a title you can turn down. I'll see what I can do. Yeah. What, you mean Steven can't turn down B & S?

I don't think you can, can you? I mean, you just sort of appoint somebody, don't you? I don't know how it works. I don't have kids. I would think they'd have to agree.

I'll report back to you. I don't know if you can do it at gunpoint or anything. Did you hear how, was it C. Thomas Howells, is that his name? Yeah.

He was an EET, and that's how he got, he started his career. He was a stunt kid. Yeah. Was he really? That's how he got into the movie.

He was a stunt kid for the bikes, for the bike scene. And then he liked his presence, apparently, so he's like, why don't you just be in the movie? He was on the show. And that's how he told us that. Maybe that's where I heard it.

Probably. So it all comes back around. Isn't that crazy? His dad was a stuntman, and he started learning from him, and he was the only kid who could ride a bike and do the stunts. The other kids were all actors, so that's how he ended up being one of the kids on the bike, is because he could do the jumps or whatever they had to do over stuff, because he knew how to do them.

And he was probably, what, 15 or 16 then? Something like that, yeah. He was pretty young. What all, he did the hitcher, and then. He's done quite a bit.

He's an outsider. Soul man. Oh my god. We don't talk about that. The amazing Spider-Man.

We'll go with something more recent. He has a small part in the newer first one. I haven't seen that. I don't love it. What's that?

I don't love it. I don't love that guy. Is Sam Raimi done then? He's no Spidey. He's been done.

I love Ponyboy. No, not Ponyboy. I like him. I was talking about the new Spider-Man. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I don't like Andrew Garfield. He seems like a jerk. I kind of like him. You like breaking small, sick children's hearts, but I mean. You heard the Oscars story, right?

Do tell. Let's go ahead and I want to hear this. The little kid who's the little kid Batman on YouTube that like. Oh, I love that. Yeah, that kid.

They were supposed to bring him out at the Oscars and he was going to present with the new Spider-Man and they were going to have some sort of superhero banter. And it got to the point, like, the night of, the kid showed up, and Andrew Garfield decided he didn't like the text that they'd given him, and he said, I'm. Not doing it. And he screwed over the Bat Kid, and Bat Kid didn't get to do anything. Oh, that's awful.

They brought on some other people at the last minute to fill the hole in the show. Way to go, Andrew Garfield. Okay, I clearly didn't know that story. What a jerk. I mean, I didn't like his performance anyway, but after that, I'm like, okay.

He didn't like the text. Whatever stupid banter they'd written for him, he didn't approve of it, and so he totally pulled out of the entire appearance. Wow. Is what they were reporting. And I'm like, that's kind of a dick move.

Like even just to like screw them over in the structure of the show. That's uncool. Let alone the small child that you're. So when, when you're, when you work in, in this industry or, or any kind of industry where you put yourself out there, your image is, you know, it's a commodity. It's what you're, it's what you're selling.

It's what you're selling. So you always kind of have to temper what you say. If you're smart. If you're smart. So I can definitely see the need to edit text, but you've got to wonder which is worse, saying what he's been given or screwing over the crippled kid.

And, like, it was on the Oscars. All of the banter is dumb. It's not like they specifically gave you something stupid. It's usually pretty bad. I don't think you wrote it.

Did you see the pizza bit? Like, it went on all night. It wasn't funny. Like, they always write stupid stuff. Like, just go along with it.

That's why you're there. It's the Oscars. That's what it does. Which I would love to see an Oscar show that lasts 46 minutes. Just here, here, here.

Take these and get out of here. Yeah, yeah. All right. Best supporting actress. Best cinematography.

It would be nice to kind of drill it down. To just meat and potatoes. Yeah. They should be long. Yeah, I could watch the 10-hour Oscars.

Honestly, I know you're kidding, but I really could. I think it's so much fun. I love it. I'm sad when it's over. I think they just do it stupid.

Because again, they put so many stupid bits in there, but they won't show us the Lifetime Achievement Awards. That part pisses me off every year now. I'm just like, here's these awesome people that have been working their entire lives to get this award. Here's a shot of them from two weeks ago when we did this. And now another stupid, wacky skit that we put together.

I agree. I think there's way too much fluff in it. I mean, that's not this year. That was every year. But they do that every year now.

That's not important. I'm like, but you're an award show. That is what you're here to do. I don't know. They just go about it wrong in a lot of ways.

But I still like it in a sick way. I love how the Golden Globes are awesome because they're still doing that. And I kind of hadn't noticed that the Oscars don't do that anymore, the Lifetime Achievements. But I guess is that why the Golden Globes are finding crazier and crazier people to put on stage for the Lifetime Achievements? Because it's getting really awesome.

Maybe so. Yeah. And they're all drunk. Yeah. Like, let's see, we had Jodie Foster last time.

She was crazy. Who can we get that's even crazier? Harry Dean Stanley. They should give him an award. They should give him an award.

I agree. They should. He's never even been to the Oscars. He doesn't leave the house much. Well, the whole reason these award shows exist is... it's all publicity.

It's all getting your name out there. And that's what their job is. When they're not acting, in between action and cut, their job is to promote their image. That's what they have to do. To maintain their image.

To maintain their image. Promote and maintain. Promote and maintain. That's their whole life. Gosh, what an awful, awful existence.

And to be a mother on top of that, just has to be rough. That's gotta be so hard. Man. It's gotta be hard. If only she had like, A job and a part-time.

Job on top of that. Which summer home do you go to? There isn't a coin with enough sides to flip. It's like, okay, I'm going to go. It's like you're playing D & D with a 20-sided die.

Which one do I go to? Go to 17. Do you remember where 17 is? Is that the castle? I don't remember.

We do need to number them. That's the space station. How about the Carradines? That's quite a clan. No good feelings.

So next. Not even John? Come on. I don't know. No, you can't.

When I think of Carradine, I think of picking up a hot pot of oil with my forearms. That's what I think of when I think of Carradine. It's forever emblazoned in my mind. I'll never get rid of that. I have to say, Robert Carradine was very nice to us.

He stopped by of his own free will at some point and, like, did a, just randomly came over to our table and said, hey, guys, what are you doing? And, like, did a promo for us and then wandered off. Speaking of promos, April 29th on PBS Frontline, Prison State. 13th through 15th, Harry Dean's Dance Fest, Lexington, Kentucky. You guys are doing the promos now.

And please to meet me out on iTunes exclusive. Neither pitched River Meltdown, which is what he was doing. So he's a little cooler, just saying. As heard on Movie Meltdown. All right.

At least as long as we get that in there. This is random, but I always think Scott Glenn is a Carradine brother. I don't know why. Because he kind of looks like him? Yeah.

Whenever I think of the Carradines, I always think of him. I was like, oh, he was in some really great movies, but he's not a Carradine. I can't get over his veins. Scott Glenn. Guy's got some veins, man.

Dude has some major vascular problems. Okay, what about the hidden Carradine, Martha Plimpton? She's a Carradine? I don't think I realized that until recently. Oh, wow.

Somebody was just telling me that, and it's on the list here. She's fantastic. It makes sense now. Yeah. Because she also was connected to Steven Spielberg as a child.

In the Goonies. In the Goonies. It's all about Spielberg. Apparently. That's how you get that sweet sitcom deal she's got now.

In Parenthood, could you ever picture her with, what's his name? Ted. Or Bill. Ted. Oh.

Keanu Reeves. Our favorite actor, Keanu Reeves. Again, to me, that's one of those roles that I'm like, see, every once in a while, it's the perfect casting. He is perfect in Parenthood. He is perfect in Parenthood.

He is exactly what you needed in that role. But he is that character in Parenthood in every single movie he's ever done. But sometimes it works. Because River's Edge is a good movie. Yeah.

And that worked. Again, he's the same dumb kid. But it worked. It's knowing how to play... dumb Keanu Reeves. My own private Idaho.

I think he's just playing himself. God bless him. Yeah. But occasionally, like, I don't know, every once in a while. I was amazed when The Gift, he plays a drunken redneck really good, which makes me think maybe there's something in there.

That's Sam Raimi, isn't it? Yeah. I actually might see that now. Okay. I saw that he was in that, but that's what kept me from watching it.

It's so not Ted. It is not the normal performance you get out of him. And then there was the shake, much ado about nothing, right? Yeah. I heard he was actually, I haven't seen it yet, but I've, I was surprised, like, okay, Shakespeare and Counter, that's where I really, that's quite a leap, but.

All right, we mentioned the Brolins. How about the Hanks, the Hanks family? The Hanks, yeah. Colin Hanks. See, that was one I was going with my example.

They're doing it well. Colin Hanks is a good actor. But I feel like that's the example of, I don't know if you will ever get out of your dad's shadow. Like, he's a good actor, but. Especially since Tom's still kind of knocking them out and getting Oscar caliber movies.

So I don't know. It's like I don't know that Colin will ever be seen as Colin. He will always be, oh, there's Tom Hanks' son for his entire career. I never look at him that way. Yeah, I don't either.

Ever. Band of Brothers, totally held his own. Two of you. Everyone else at home, think about how you feel about him. Orange County, totally held his own.

He's pretty fun in Orange County. Not bad on Dexter. That was not a great season, but he was good. No, not a great season, but yeah, still very good. Yeah, he does.

Now, I'd like to see the Rhea Perlman, Danny DeVito. The super baby that will be. That's right. I'd like to see that dynasty. Didn't they just get divorced?

Hopefully not before producing Offspring. I think they did. I think they're actually just now. They did. But I think her baby-making years are well behind her.

Nuh-uh. Medical science. There's still hope for me and Rhea Perlman, right? I don't think, have we verified if they have or have not had children? I thought they did.

I think they did, and their child is Ron Perlman. It's the craziest thing. I don't know how that happened. It would be Hellboy. It's like Mark.

And Mindy aging back. But he did, you know, he didn't want to go with Dad's, you know, name, so he tried to pull his sheen, you know. Now, he actually, he did not go into acting. He went into, he's a gang leader now. Alrighty.

Oh, that's fictional? No, that's a documentary. Documentary. The Baldwins. The beloved Baldwin clan.

Too easy. There's the Wahlbergs, too. Alec came back around. People like him again, even though he's a dick. I think we dislike him again now, actually.

We just kind of like him. I think we don't like him anymore. Did you see Seduced and Abandoned? No. What is that?

Seduced and Abandoned, James Tobeck and Alec Baldwin. It's a documentary. I'm never very good at figuring out how much they're playing to the camera and how much is real. But they go, they visit con and they are trying to raise um funds to produce a feature okay and so it's about how much trouble they have raising money they can't raise the money and god what are they trying to remake um i can't remember the it was a it was a brando film it was uh streetcars No. It's already a bad idea.

Last Tango in Paris. Oh, no. They're trying to remake Last Tango in Paris. And they can't find the funding. I am shocked by that scenario.

So Alec Baldwin playing that role. No. And so they're talking. Well, that gives me hope in Hollywood, honestly. Yeah.

Well, they're talking to all these folks and these just rich, beyond belief rich people that they're talking to. And one of them just comes out on camera and says, Alec Baldwin. He's a TV actor. It'll never work. Oh.

Bam. But I really identified with these guys because if you've ever tried to raise money for a film, I have these exact same conversations with people with infinitely more money than I'll ever have. And I have these exact same conversations, just about smaller sums. But the same exact thing goes on. I felt so bad.

Watching these guys trying to raise money. It's like, wow, I know how you feel. I wish I could... be at con feeling that way but i know how you feel um so that if i didn't like alec baldwin before i definitely like him now interesting well he showed a real human side and he has that. Um it's uh you can get it as a podcast i think it's is it strictly a podcast or do they air it on the radio but he has these just discussions and he has a topic and i heard they're really great like he's a great interviewer and it's just i. Have heard that um yeah uh I can't remember the name of it either, but yeah.

It's like Fresh Air, but it's like something else. Sure, sure. But I've heard a few little things. Here and there. He's one of those guys where I feel like he's not afraid to put himself out there, whether he's drunk on an answering machine or whether he's just doing an interview.

I mean, he's not afraid to tackle things. I don't see one Paltrell ever doing a radio interview where she's the host. Well, she's a busy mom, too. She is. gotta make dinner okay she's gotta set up somebody she's yeah. I gotta go get diapers i know.

Could you have him shipped to number 17 when. You fly in on your jet honey could you pick up some. So however he's not afraid to tackle new things and i think that's one of the things that's endearing about him is he'll just. And he can make fun of himself, too. Yes.

That's become his thing now, really. It has sort of become his new, like, because he didn't have that. Like, you look at him in, like, the 80s and into the 90s, he was still trying to be a legit actor. And then, like, he got this weird sort of self-aware sense of humor and became this sort of, again, and 30 Rock tapped into it, like, this is what you do best now. So it's like, that now has become his persona, like, when you see him in commercials, you see him on award shows, like, That's just his thing now.

It's become something that works and he knows it. And I don't know. To me, that's the whole new wave of his career. He owes to realizing that and finding that person inside him that's probably always been there. It's kind of like a collective banter that he knows everyone is part of, even though he doesn't have a direct...

You know what I mean? I don't know if that makes sense. I just.... Like, it's a joke that everybody's kind of privy to. Yeah, now.

Now it's the stick. Now it's, yeah, a shorthand with his fans. But, I mean, it's easy to say good things about him. What about the rest of that bunch? Have Billy Baldwin and China Phillips had kids?

Because that would be a whole other dynasty. Oh, God. The Phillips family. There's two other brothers, right? Daniel used to be a pretty good actor.

Oh, Stephen, yeah. Daniel was on Homicide for a long time. And he's really good on Homicide. Which one was Unusual Suspects? Steven.

Oh, really? I didn't know he went that route. He was great in that. He was a fantastic actor. And then he found God and it fucked everything up.

Way to go, God. Wow. Good career. I think he's like on the Willie Ames track. Oh my gosh, really?

There's a superhero that Willie Ames is. Yeah, Bible Man. And what's his name? Kirk Cameron. Everyone's like that.

I think that's his own animal. At the mention of Kirk Cameron. I was thinking the wall birds and that's an interesting going from music to end of film which actually like Queen Latifah that's not an uncommon thing I. Was going to say I was going to ask at the beginning do we count within the same generation or do we have to have a parent going to the kid or are we just doing. Siblings yeah I mean they feed off of each other it's possible to ride your brother or sister's coattails.

Now you're just talking to the bald ones I mostly just want to talk about how crazy Randy Quaid is. Oh, that's true. That's true. Who was in Last Picture Show? I mean, anyway, that's just neither here nor there.

It's no Independence Day, but all right. That might have, well, whatever. Every time I hear Randy. Quaid's name, I piss myself and forget my name for about a half an hour. What was the deal there?

Oh, I shouldn't have started the microwave, sorry. that's making popcorn is that not cool oh and thank you geek points all right that's all i get that's. All i. Get but have you seen the sequel i know it exists and i haven't made myself watch it yet there's a spin-off christmas on an island somewhere that's just about eddie In the family. I will buy Drew Barrymore's heart book before I will watch that. Well, now we definitely have to watch it for an episode.

They come in a combo pack now. They're big lots, so it's crazy and crazy. For all the irrelevance. That's right. Gwyneth Paltrow's babysitting book.

Her parenting handbook. Get a nanny. It's a pamphlet, really, more than a book. It's a fortune in a fortune cookie. Just get a fucking nanny.

And this is how you say get a nanny in Chinese. On the back it says, Whatever you do, don't talk to the press. So, we should probably start wrapping this thing up. Is there anyone we've forgotten that you just have to get to? Because there's plenty we've forgotten.

What are some? Can you just list off? We don't have to talk about it. We haven't even done the Douglases. Oh, jeez.

Do we have bad things to say about Michael like most people do? I don't. I used to like Michael. The Child of Spartacus? Are you kidding?

It's great. Yeah. I think Fred had some negative things to say about Michael, and then he couldn't be here this week. So I kind of wanted to hear about what horrible things he had to say about Michael Douglas. I mean, how about the Buseys?

There's a legacy. That is. That is. And they were in a movie together with Harry Dean Stanton. What?

Yeah. Which one? Straight Time, which is a great film. And Gary Besey's great in it. I would love to have him as a guest.

Why haven't I called. Gary Besey yet? Is this pre-motorcycle accident? We've run into Jake quite a few times. Have you?

He's actually very nice. Straight Time. He's in the movie as like a, I don't know, maybe an eight-year-old kid. I don't know how old kids are. Jake is, I mean, my brief run-in with him was through email, but yeah, very nice.

He was very nice. Very receptive. How old is he now? What's his age range? He must be, what, 44?

Probably getting there. I know I've seen him in something, I just can't wait. Starship Troopers. I haven't seen that. Starship Troopers.

You should see Starship Troopers. Yeah, no, I know. That's, uh. And what, um... Doogie Howser's in that, too, right?

Oh, yeah. Casper Vandy. Well, forget about that one. Who directed that again? That was, uh.

Bob Hevin. Bob Hevin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Of showgirl fame!

Yeah, right. Woo! He's an auteur. All right, anybody else? Let's see here.

The Reynolds Fishers, if we're going somewhat old school there. Oh, interesting. Eddie had two famous offspring. The other whose name has escaped me completely. The one on TV?

Yeah, the red-headed TV one. And she... Jolie Fisher. Jolie Fisher, and she had a famous mom. Was her mom Connie Stevens?

Was that her mom? Eddie Fisher. Jeez Louise. He could not control himself. He really couldn't.

He loved a famous lady. That he did. The girl in Almost Famous. Kate Hudson. Who's her mom again?

Goldie Hawn. And then she has famous brother Oliver Hudson. Another sitcom actor. Is he? How about Liza Minnelli?

How about no? There you go. No? How about can we reject her starting? I love a pretty honest Ethel Merman.

Just from Arrested Development, you have. Yes. Well, you have to give her credit. She's gotten to a point where she knows it's okay to make fun of herself. She's a female Alec Baldwin.

She's a female Alec Baldwin, absolutely. No, she's fantastic. I mean, that whole shtick with Vertigo, gold. I like when that's in Arrested Development, right? When what's her, the son... when he was talking about the one she was dating for a while.

Oh, God, what's his name? He's on Veep now. And they had that, like, codependent relationship, and he said, well, she's nauseous. We're calling it our nausea. Yeah.

Oh no she's she um i i don't want to listen to her sing but she i love watching her because she's just so i love watching her now the crazy version well but you know still in in uh in um with dudley moore and arthur i mean she was I thought she was good in that. Did she have kids? I think she's pretty fantastic. Did she have kids? She's at the generation where your gay husband doesn't make babies with you.

Who was her husband? I'm trying to. Well, Vincent Pennelly was her dad, and he was gay, but he had her. And then she was married to... What's his name?

I can see his face. Yeah. I'm trying to block all of them out. Gay, yeah. Very much so.

So there's a number of different family legacies happening. In that scenario. The Curtis's. Tony. Jamie Lee.

Janet. That's a good one. And if we're going to stick with Hitchcock, ladies, then Tippi Hedren and Melanie Griffith. Oh, yeah. Who now has Dakota.

Is that her name? She was in Miss Golden Globe. She's her child with Don Johnson. Stop naming your children after states. Plus there's already a Dakota.

Hey, my little West Virginia resents that. I could have just named that, by the way. I hope that's actually real. Oh, how about the moguls? I bet you Florida from Good Times is really angry.

The moguls of the Spelling Clan. Oh, yeah. Oh, God. They're making babies, too, aren't they? A lot of them.

She's got like six, doesn't she? Oh, yeah. Tori Spelling has six babies. She has. She's got a lot of babies.

Man, back up the Brinks truck. I don't know if there's... Yeah. That's somebody I... Emma's not. doing too bad.

My wife, who I love dearly, if I did not have her, I could have married Tori Spelling. It's not necessarily too late. I could have married her. It's like, that's one person where, you know, it couldn't have been too bad. You could have had your own wrapping paper room.

You don't have one of those? Being in the spelling household. Candy. Candy has a wrapping paper room. I don't know if Tori does.

Of course. Candy? Candy, her mom. Her dog. It has its own wrapping paper.

The things that occupy my mind, it concerns me what information could be in that candy has a wrapping paper room. This is why we're not doctors. This is why I didn't go to dental school. What about Klaus Kinski? Oh, yeah.

He should not have had kids. Cat people? No! You're going to take away Anastasia from us? Just saying, really?

Do you want him breeding in general? I don't know. I think she's beautiful. Who knew that the female version of him would be so beautiful? Anyway.

What a scary man. The Redgraves? Oh, yeah. They're kind of forgotten about at this point. I don't know.

But I was thinking... Because they haven't been to enough award shows. There you go. Somewhat current, though, the Reitmans... But wait, did.

Sorry, I want to dwell for a second on the Red Graves. Did. What was the daughter who was married to Liam Neeson? Did they have. Natasha Richardson.

Yes. Did they have children? I was just thinking of her. Oh, and I'm thinking of Miranda Richardson. I don't know.

Did they? I don't know. He seems very upset about something. In all of his movies. Family members keep getting taken.

They keep getting taken. Or eaten by wolves. Or kidnapped by wolves sometimes. But. But yeah, The Reitmans.

I mean, that's a current one that has passed the torch, and I'm sure you love his work. Oh, God. Don't even get me started. All right, then we'll wrap it up. I did actually, I did see Labor Day.

That is a movie I did see. And? And that's Brolin's and Reitman's. It was terrible. Was that the hostage thing?

Yes and no. Right? Kind of? Sort of? It was a love story based on the book. written by uh uh oh god what's her name she was the mistress of um what's his name okay the coffee i just collapsed the coffee ran its course and now i have nothing left i.

Thought you're saying she's the mistress of the coffee something mongol anyway no catching her eye Salinger. Salinger, thank you. Jesus tore my brain. Oh, okay, so you're looking for the author. Yes.

I was just throwing out names. I was like, Holden Caulfield, not a real guy. I don't think he had children. Anyway, his mistress wrote this book, Labor Day, and then it was adapted for film and the movie stars Josh Brolin. Who I had gotten to a point where I was able to trust in his judgment, and he blew that, so I don't know.

He can't pick a good movie. I don't know. I've been saying pretty good things, and everyone's fighting me on it about Oldboy, which I remember you were one of the only people who said, see it. It's worth seeing. Was it released at all?

Yeah. It's already gone then. It's on DVD. Yeah, it's on DVD. I remember when it was out, because I just watched the original a couple months ago for the first time, so that was.

I mean, there was no reason to remake it, but I have so much respect for this strategy in remaking a film, which is that he basically took the same characters and the same central plot, but then gave it a completely different meaning. I mean, it's about something completely different conceptually. Than the first film. By the end, it definitely is. I think you get halfway through, and it's sort of similar, and then it takes a turn midway, and I'm like, it's made itself a different movie and it gives the character a different trajectory and like it really does sort of become something different.

I think it was a really interesting bold way to go with it. And he's really good and he's great does he cut his tongue out and. That's a spoiler that scene. I guess you just spoiled at least one of the movies. Oh sorry and okay okay if if we're not going generational we're sticking within the family uh The new Olsen is the best Olsen by far.

I know the other ones have way more money. But she's so good. Same with the Colkins. Sometimes it's like the deep track younger siblings that. Come up out of nowhere.

I've seen her in so many things now, and every time I'm just like, man, I keep expecting her to just phone it in. I'm like, damn, she's good in this too. She's legitimately talented. Elizabeth Olsen is amazing. She's amazing.

Amazing. What would you recommend seeing her in? Anything she's in. She's an old boy. Oh, okay.

Daughter of Nellie Olsen from Little House. She's good. Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marlene, Marcy. Marianne. With another Marcy in there.

Which is actually really good. That was a great movie, and she's amazing in it. So, Olsen. But yeah, back on the Brolin. This was one we addressed on the car episode.

I would say at this point, Josh has overshadowed dad. Absolutely. Which I mean, for a long time, dad was pretty well known. He was kind of that household name. Probably again, I blame hotel for ruining his career, but because he became a TV actor, as we mentioned earlier, he went from being a big film actor to a TV actor and it killed his career.

But I'd say Josh, it took him a long time to get there. Like he, the kid roles didn't really work out for him, but like, way late you know for hollywood terms by the time he's in his 30s doing stuff he really kind of started knocking stuff out. No country seemed to be though yeah. It definitely was a new level for him and the. Fact that he died.

Yeah well that was after he cut someone else's tongue. Out which by the way his wife in that oh. Yeah she was in train spotting she was. In train spotting she was in boardwalk empire She's in Boardwalk Empire, but she's in a great film about the girl in the window. Oh.

With, what's his name? Oh, God. It's about an author. Got to go to the Google machine. She's got, obviously she's not one of my favorite actresses because I can't remember.

However, let me see here. Go to IMDb. Well, she is Scottish, I think. Yeah, she's Scottish. But to play that, that's why I was so surprised when I find out later.

So, Kelly MacDonald is her name. And she was in The Girl in the Cafe. The Girl in the Cafe, which was a TV movie where she starred alongside Bill Niley. Great film. Okay.

Highly, highly, highly recommend it. I remember seeing her here. She was, I absolutely fell in love with her in that movie. She was so good. Girl in the Cafe.

I love him. Girl in the Cafe. I think he's amazing. Yeah, he is. He's great.

Kelly McDonald. She's, yeah, she's, but she's another one of those working actresses that, you know, you know her face. You go, oh, that girl who was in that thing, you know, which was actually a documentary out called I think it's the guy who was in that thing. I've seen that. It's actually, it's not bad, but you do that the entire time.

You're like, I know him. Oh yeah. Like it's just nothing but recognizing. Right. Recognizing these people.

Yeah. Yeah. So, but I think what's, what's so, uh, likable about that film is you get to hear that they, you know, they're just working stiffs. You know, these are guys who go, camera work sucked. By the way.

But uh it's it's just these guys going from one job to the next to the next and they don't know where they're going to get their next ticket well that. Was that was the interesting thing because they're i mean most actors becomes pretty self-aware and like they all kind of realize they're that's their job like they're not i'm you know i'm i've been in a lot of movies not really a key character and i'm in my 40s now i'm probably not going to turn into a leading man like but I want to keep working. Let's put him in a Tarantino movie. So many of them are just kind of like, yeah, I just got to keep my insurance going. They're just working actors now, but they realize where they are in their career.

It's interesting. Well, it makes them humble, which I love. One of the things that I always enjoyed about working with with John was that he, he knows his place in the industry, you know, and he, he has the, you know, he definitely has the talent to do anything that he wants to do, but he's so just, it's like, I'm, I'm just a guy who's working, you know, and that's how he approaches everything. And it's, it was really refreshing. to work with somebody like that who did not, who took the job seriously, but did not take themselves too seriously. And that was really refreshing.

Especially who'd done, I mean, even if you want to take the acting out of it, like just musically, it's kind of legendary. Like if somebody could claim to be like, I am important, you know, but he does not. Come off the way at all. He does not do that. He does not do that.

That's pretty impressive. Yeah. Great guy. And guest of Heritage and Stand Fest 2015. Already mapped out.

Already locked in? Already locked in. Wow, sweet. I mean, he said he would. I don't know.

I bet you. You know what? As long as he doesn't have a conflict, he'll probably do it. He'll probably do it. He's that kind of guy.

He's just up for whatever is fun and invigorating and something new. John Doe is awesome. I think that's how we need to round this thing out. And thinking about how awesome the kid of Exine Cervinka and Viggo Mortensen probably is. Because I think we need to give that some thought as well.

Do we have a due date for this baby? No, he exists. He's in the world. You're planning future children. He's maturing and growing into the man he will one day be.

What? Where he will dazzle us with whatever he decides to do. We shall see. Unless he disappoints me like that fucking Nick Cassavetes and then watch out. And it all comes full circle.

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Anyway. Oh, fantastic. God, I need to find that. The Shroud of Turin? Yeah, I think I've wrapped her autograph in the Shroud of Turin.

Oh, okay. That's cool. You've got one of those, too? That's awesome. I bought mine on eBay.

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