Love N' Thunder

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Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power. What's up and. Welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. And I'm George.

And we're coming to you live via digital recording from the Oddity Studios. Back for another in our super series. And the good thing about these is by the time we come back to watch... Another movie, usually Marvel movie. There's a new series, and then we haven't talked about it since the last time.

So we always have an intro of like, hey, have you been watching Ms. Marvel? So I figured this will be a good way to kind of eat. And they're both Marvel, so it is a shared universe as much as any of it is. Yeah, even though...

Both things are kind of very different right now, but yes. Definitely. So, yeah, what are your thoughts on Ms. Marvel? I've been enjoying the series.

My wife and I were watching it together. So, yeah, we're thoroughly enjoying the series. Basically, aside from they had changed a lot about the character's power set, because in the book she's basically... there's a group called the Inhumans, which we tried to do those names to you, it didn't work out. But basically there's a big event that happens and the events that essentially changes them to give them their own powers is released on Earth. And so there's a whole bunch of people that now are partially Inhuman.

And sometimes basically your power set is like you just get some weird powers, but you look normal. And sometimes people are like physically changed. Mutant creatures. Yeah, they become weird creatures. So they have their abilities.

So Kamala was caught up in that. And so her powers basically was like, you know, body morphism where she can basically make herself big or small or stretch her arms and make big fists and all that sort of stuff. So that got changed dramatically. into the series so we're like okay well here's this gauntlet we're going to give you and you're now a jinn that's going to tie a little bit more into your culture and so that sort of thing like that but also kind of like retconning a extremely obscure super team that also failed in the comics the clandestine um and kind of just reworking them a little bit and so there you go but otherwise i mean Kamala is the character and her family and the culture is completely there for the books.

Uh, Bruno, the red daggers, they're all from the books. So yeah, I kind of love it. Like I'm especially coming off of how unthrilled I was with moon night. I was just kind of like, I don't know, whatever. It's the next one.

I'll watch it. And like that first episode, I was like, this is just telling such a good story about this girl and her life. And I'm like, if you didn't give her superpowers, I'd probably still be watching this. Like it's, it's telling a great story. They've got really rich characters.

And then on top of that, it's like immersing you in this culture that I would say a good majority of Americans don't know anything about, even though it's happening in America. It's just, it's such a different culture. And so many people, again, I don't know that you could have made this going too far back because people have such weird feelings about everything that, I'm kind of glad that it's like it's so open about being immersed in this culture and that, you know, we don't care. This is our main character and we're following her life. And so, yeah, I love how much it's just throwing you in the middle of what she's dealing with, even if it's very foreign.

Again, it's funny that it's happening in New Jersey for the most part of it. But yeah, it's still like a very foreign world to most people that don't live in that world. So, yeah, it's I was just kind of fascinated by. that aspect of the story and then on top of that it's a superhero story and it's very to me very the first spider-man because it's the only time we get like a kid like even even hawkeye she's a little older she's not like high school so like it's a real coming of age it's a very totally dealing with a kid learning that they have powers kind of thing so yeah it feels very and they're very of the neighborhood too which is definitely the spider-man movie so yeah i'm really enjoying it i i I don't know.

I wasn't sure what to expect. If anything, this time I'm the other way. Before I was like, are we done with this yet? This time I was like, there's only six episodes. What the hell?

I think that could easily have done eight. I feel like it had a bigger story. I think we could have even spent a little more time with these characters. You were saying about being immersed in the culture. I thought it was fascinating.

I've had like a little dash of Pakistani culture in my life, or at least to experience that, but I've never seen like a Muslim wedding before. It's like, oh, that's really cool. You know, I get to see how that, how it all happens. They're like, oh, they're everybody sitting around a table and there's, they don't actually kiss or something like that. It's like, that's really nice.

So yeah, just, just getting to see that and just like, man, it's a very, you know, joyful kind of series, you know, even when you're dealing with some darker, you know, stuff in there, but yeah, it's a very, you know, very joyful kind of series. But yeah, the thing I've really noticed too is a lot of, you know, Especially with Moon Knight, a lot of Egyptians were positively shown there. And you see that too when we go to Pakistan and basically go back into the 30s and stuff like that. It's like the traditional piss filter is gone. Yeah.

It's like you have authentic casts and crew making these shows, and so they're like, yeah, we're going to represent our culture and our people and our countries honestly and take out this stupid fucking filter that is in every movie that white people make. It's like, we don't need that. Well, and that's what I think is the most productive thing, not to make it about that, but I was like, when I'm watching this, I'm like, yes, we get a view of this culture that Most people, especially anybody I know, doesn't know anything about. Right, yeah. But it's so well told that the takeaway is she's dealing with the same stuff as everybody else.

Sure. She's a teenager. She's annoyed at her mom. She wants to have freedom and do it. All of these basic truths, and it's like, that's kind of the point.

No matter who you are, we all go through the same stuff. It's just like your culture might be a little different than mine, but I think that's the takeaway, is if it's a good story... the basic elements are there and like we connect that way. So, I mean, I, again, I think that's the most useful thing is I think there are people that would turn it on and see it and be like, Oh, I don't know what this is. And be again, most boring white people are afraid of anything that's different than what they are. So like there are people I think who would be turned off by how, you know, pro Pakistani this is and like what a realistic look at this life is.

And I think I'm like, if you give it a chance and watch it, that's going to be the takeaway is you're just, you're going to connect with these characters regardless of if you feel like, Oh, I'm different than them. I'm like, no, you're not. That's kind of the point. If you watch this, there's just this basic storytelling that comes through. And that, again, I think was the most interesting thing.

Watching it without the superhero aspect is just, yeah, it's still just telling a really interesting story regardless. Yeah. And how many women have come, you know, like there's, you know, Kamala story about just trying to find herself and get her freedom. Um, But then her best friend who's trying to run for their council within the mosque, and she's coming along a lot of misogyny because she's the woman in a man's world. And basically she had to really fight against that.

It's like, how many women have dealt with that, whether it's not your religion, whether it's your workplace, or whatever. You've got to deal with these stupid misogynistic obstacles. you know, are in your way to succeed. So it's like, yeah, it's like, everybody's got to deal with that shit. It's yeah. Again, there's so many aspects of it that I think are really well done and seem to be well represented.

I guess, you know, you go to other people that get a, a different take on it, but yeah, I just from, from my end of it. Yeah. I was, I was really impressed with what they put together and how genuine it seems to be. And, And looks amazing. Like, the color.

I was just like. I know, yeah. I know that's kind of a thing for once you get to this culture, you know. There's a lot of. But even just the way they shoot, you know, New Jersey shouldn't be this damn colorful.

But, like, it looks so good. And that's the fun thing, too, about, you know, a lot of the... you know, the culture from Pakistan, the culture from India, whatnot, where all that color comes from, is, you know, it's a protest because of basically when they were under British rule and everybody's basically wearing freaking beige, you know, and just kind of like, you know, just, you know, stuck in this rut and everything like that. And so everybody's like, no, it's like we have, we control ourselves. Like we're going to, you know, we're going to make this shit pop. And so, yeah, it's like, it's a beautiful and vibrant look, but it's also, it's a protest and it's a, you know, it's so ingrained in the culture.

I was like, I love that. But yeah, of course, I'm intrigued because at this point right now, we're a week away from the finale. By the time you're listening, you've already seen it. Yeah, exactly. If you care, but we're still waiting to wrap it up.

And I think it's interesting how episode five kind of wraps up a little bit of what was going on in her family and kind of like her history and maybe the history of what her abilities and where her origin comes from being a djinn. But then like, okay, when you get back to Jersey... There's still this whole, you know, you've got your boyfriend who's still over there. He's got something going on. And, oh, yeah, damage control is kind of waiting for you to hit back the states, which I like how, you know, damage control in the comics is basically kind of a joke.

No, I mean, literally, like, it was a comedic comic book when it first came out that this was the crew that came in and cleaned up the city when the superheroes blew up everything. And they dealt with insurance problems and claims and, you know, all that kind. So they dealt with all the boring paperwork. And that was the funny thing. And then now they've been turned into kind of like this, you know, since S.H.I.E.L.D. no longer exists, like they're kind of the new thing.

Now it's in control of things. And they're not a joke. But at the same time, it's like, ugh. Now it's like the CIA showing up to bust you for something. Or FBI.

You're like, yeah, so now for superheroes, it's, yeah, you're in trouble. Yeah, because we had such, we felt like, you know, even though S.H.I.E.L.D. had its own little sometimes dastardly things they did too. we felt like they were on our side, whereas Damage Control is clearly not. It just seems like another government outlet doing whatever it is they do. You can't trust them at all. I know, but yeah, so I've been enjoying the series thoroughly, and of course, you know, in August we've got She-Hulk coming up, which that's going to be an entirely, tonally different series than both Moon Knight and Ms.

Marvel. I do wonder, again, with, like, introducing all these characters, like, where are they going exactly? And like, how much are they going to stick to the series format versus crossing over into the big screen? And how much are they going to start teaming up and putting them together on series or movies or whatever? So, Oh, I guarantee you, you know, our, our, because we haven't had a cut scene yet.

So I guess, I guess our cut scene will be in episode six from his Marvel. Yeah. And it's going to be something that's going to link her into the Marvel's film because that's when we're going to see her next. Yeah. So whether we see Tiana Parrish show up or we get Brie herself making a cameo, one of those two women are going to be in the end of that series to say, hey, what's up, Kamala?

Let's go over here and do Marvel things. So there you go. But yeah, She-Hulk's going to be a lot of fun because basically the whole, like, you know, it's going to have a little bit more of a comedic and lighter tone to it, even though you're dealing with a Hulk character. You're going to have the legal... I saw the trailer.

I was kind of surprised they got Mark in there, too. I thought maybe he was just like, all right, whatever, take this. But the fact that he's making an appearance in the series is pretty cool. It's very... It would be a crime to the show and to the character to not have him in there because he's very integral to her origin.

I agree, but I... It was one of those I wasn't sure they were going to be able to lure him over. Granted, they had Disney money. But still, I was like, if he's sort of done or just kind of wants to stick to the big movies every once in a while. But like the fact that he came in to do the series, I was like, that's cool on his part.

And I'm glad they like stuck to it and like got him in there. Yeah. And I think, too, because, of course, you know. His thing with the CG, all he's got to do is wear a mo-cap suit. Yeah.

At this point, they have him more than him, you know? It's like they could probably do it without him showing up. Right, yeah. They've probably gotten so much in the hard drive at this point, they don't even need him anymore. But there's still some story to tell on Bruce himself.

A lot, really. Like, we don't know what's going on since the last... There's a lot of gray area there with him. Well, yeah, because when we saw him in Endgame, of course, you know, his arm was injured because of the Infinity Gauntlet, and he was in smart Hulk form, and then when we see him in Shang-Chi, it's like he's Bruce again. Like, his arm's still messed up, and he's Bruce.

Like, okay. Well, and he has his mental issues anyway, where we've got a whole movie where he is Hulk and won't turn back, and then we have a whole other movie where he won't turn into the Hulk anymore. So, like, There's a lot of little weird mental things going on inside Bruce's head. Oh, yeah. So I'll be interested in that.

But I've read some very interesting things in the upcoming Echo series. Of course, spinning off from Hawkeye. Yeah. Her series has turned out to be a little bit bigger. I think they knew that going into it.

Because, okay, well, this is a character we introduced in the series that you don't know. We're giving her her own series. And to put a little emphasis on that, we're going to pack this a bit. So we know Wilson Fisk will be making multiple appearances in the series because we kind of see what happened to him after he supposedly got shot in the face. That won't stop him.

Possibly it will involve his current storyline in the comics where he basically tries to run for mayor of New York City. Nice. They've done worse. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Um, we should also probably see Charlie Cox's daredevil pop up a couple of times in the series. Uh, and interestingly enough, he may be in a different daredevil suit than he may be in the black and red as opposed to the red and black, which kind of signifies something interesting. Uh, and he may be looking for Jessica Jones. It is amazing that they found a way to loop those in when we thought for a while there, they were like, Nope, the dead and nobody's ever gonna, they can't even cross them over. But yeah, Of course, money, you know, Disney can do whatever.

Yeah. Which there's good aspects to that as well. So I'm glad when they work it the right way and we get something good out. Yeah, it seems like Disney has kind of come on board once they got all the Netflix shows on there. It's like, okay, we're definitely doing something with Charlie Cox because you all won't leave us alone about it.

I mean, yeah, Daredevil was so popular when it came out. You'd think they would want more of that. And it looks like Jessica and Luke will probably get a second life. Iron Fist, they promote, it's like, eh, we're not doing anything. So did the rest of the world.

Yeah, and interestingly enough, Punisher, of course, came over with all those series. and a lot of fans have talked about wanting to see Jon Bernthal come back, but Disney has been very interestingly mum about the whole thing. They pretty much said, Iron Fist, sorry, you're not coming to the party, but have said literally, absolutely nothing about the Punisher. Punisher is a weird property, especially for them to work in. I don't know. I mean, you know, you could do a Punisher series that...

Still involves Frank killing a lot of people. But, I mean, like, you were able to do, you know, at times a violent Moon Knight series. And, you know, it wasn't every episode. And it was bloodless. But you still had a violent Moon Knight series.

I want a level-headed, socially conscious Punisher. Why? That just uses Nerf guns. Well, I say. There's some pretty hardcore Nerf guns out there.

Come on now. What would be really cool is if they tried to incorporate what's going on in the books now, which basically, Frank's taking a different turn. He is currently a general for the Hand, as in the evil ninja clan. They made him an offer that he couldn't refuse. Basically, they want to follow his example and follow his mission of killing criminals.

Sometimes he has to remind them who the criminals are and not kill everybody. But since the Hand basically have some mystical abilities as in bringing people back to life or extending people's lives, they brought his wife back to the dead. That's what I was going to say. That's his only motivation, really. So if you could tease with that, you could probably get him to do whatever you want.

Yeah. And so he's been enjoying some time with basically just he and the wife. Well, the wife is having some episodes where, because of course, like you, her memory is very spotty. but you can still see the marks where the bullets went in, like their scars. And so she hasn't put two and two together, like looking at herself in the mirror going, what's with all these scars on my face? But she has asked, where are the children?

A legit question for a mother. And she's had a couple of episodes where she kind of freaks out and starts to remember, and then basically the hand's like, okay, well, we're going to have to assuage her to keep her happy and to keep Frank happy, so we're bringing the kids back. They're teasing it. This is just Pet Sematary at this point. Oh, yeah.

There is going to be a reckoning like no other when the fit hits the shan on this one. There are going to be a lot of dead ninjas pretty soon. That's what you do with ninjas. That's why you have a whole bunch of them around. You just waste them.

The hand does always bring people back, but yes, very much like Pet Sematary, they don't come back the same way they left. Sometimes dead's better. Sometimes dead is better, yes. Alright. Are we ready?

We are ready. For this special installment. We're ready to wreck the house! Get more out of life. Go out to a movie.

Kids get to pop corner. Let me tell you the story of the space Viking Thor Odinson. He was no ordinary man. He was a god. After saving planet Earth for the 500th time, Thor set off on a new journey.

When he got in shape, he went from dead bod to god bod. And after all that, he reclaimed his title as the one and only Thor. Oh, spoke too soon. Jane? The old ex-girlfriend.

What's it been like? Three, four years? Eight years, seven months. And six days, give or take. My own sensing feelings.

Well, you're right. The only ones who gods care about is. Themselves. So this is my vow. All gods will die.

I just want to say that was very, very impressive, what you did back there. It's just my first bad guy. They never forget you first. Yeah, the guns have. Killed.

We have something. Worth fighting for. This episode of Soca. Theater is brought to you by Guns N' Roses. Guns N' Roses, your favorite band.

Get their shirts at Target. Once I at least found out why, I was okay with it. But in the theater, I was like, what are we doing? Like. This was the hair metal Thor movie.

We can get back to that. Okay, so. This week's Silver Theater feature... Oh, no, wait. We went out on the town.

We did go. So, we've gone into the world once again. Mm-hmm. It's getting more normal now. We're used to it.

Out to the unwashed masses. So, this out on the town feature is Thor, colon... Love and Thunder. The year is 2022. The director, Taika Waititi.

And the plot, according to IMDb, Thor enlists the help of Valkyrie, Korg, and ex-girlfriend Jane Foster to fight Gorr the God Butcher who intends to make gods extinct. Not too far off. Spoiler alert, we're going to ruin the hell out of this like we always do. Absolutely. I'm assuming if you care, you've already gone to see it, so But you have been warned.

Now, where do you want to begin? Well, like I said, this was the hair metal Thor. So the opening Marvel thing where you expect the... Yeah, that sort of thing. It was played by Slash.

That was kind of fun. I mean, if you're going to get this done, you bring Slash. Yeah. Another fun fact before we get into anything. This was the Hemsworth family affair.

I mean, not quite literally, because we were missing a couple of brothers. We were missing the youngest and then the one who doesn't act at all. But we had two Hemsworth brothers, one Mrs. Hemsworth, and two of the three children in this movie. I knew the kid was young Thor.

Uncredited. I saw that, but yeah. Gore's daughter is his daughter. Hmm. I wonder if that's just planning ahead, jumping to the end.

No shit, it's planning ahead. Like, look, we're going to get us some extra work out of this one. We've got a whole second paycheck coming in now. Yeah, yeah. All right, we jumped way too far.

So, I guess we start with the real star of this movie, Korg, who is narrating the whole thing and is kind of explaining everything to us. Once again, if you need a recap first, Korg got you covered. Yes. And, yeah, I mean, there's a reason he's in this movie. Because from his first appearance, like, people loved Korg.

And he's been back as often as we could work him in. So, thankfully. I do like that he's just become his full-time sidekick now. Because even when the Guardians leave, like, there's no question. Like, he's like, well, obviously, I'm hanging out with Thor.

Yeah, I was thinking about him, yeah. Yeah, I do like that he's just hanging out. I know, and we, you know, of course, I'm jumping ahead, too. Like, we even get a little tease where, oh, were we losing Korg? No, that's not how things work because he's a much different physiology.

But it always blows my mind with how much, like, people have embraced Korg. It's like, dude, if you guys would read World War Hulk, Korg's not as bad, but Meek is a son of a bitch. I was laughing every time I saw Meek in a fancy suit. It's like she's got the checkered plaid pantsuit with the feathered ruffle. I was like, oh my god.

I was so glad because at one point we thought Meek was dead. Not only are you back, but you've got yourself a fancy government job now. Official duties. You're running things around there. Yeah.

Korg's just out wandering around being a bum with Thor. So you did something. Put together a real life. Yeah. Maybe Korg's much more the warrior against than Meek was.

Meek seemed to be just forced into it. I don't know. You can't get the witty dialogue. That's why Korg's so funny because he's, you know. Yeah.

And I wonder who does the voice for him. Why he gets all the good dialogue. Yeah, exactly. Kind of convenient. It's like, well, we'll let you direct this movie and you get to play it a little bit.

I'm going to write myself into this a lot. You guys are cool with that, right? They're like, yeah, actually, we are. That's fine, yeah. Everybody loves you.

Yeah, hit movie, yeah. But yeah, a lot of little fun things in this movie. Like, we get to see our Asgardian players once again doing, you know, recapping Ragnarok for us, the events of Ragnarok for us. We missed that one. Which initially, I thought, oh, that's fun.

I like that they're back. And then I just went on a tangent of, how the hell did they get here? Huh? Where did any of the leftover Asgardians end up on Earth? Well, that's the thing.

Everybody had escape pods? No, basically he took a whole shitload of the whole spaceship full of people. That got killed, right? No, that's the thing. There were some that, you know, the people that were on that one main ship were killed, but there were other Asgardians who survived and they... inhabited new asgardia now of course it is a touristy site so it's probably there's a lot more human intermingling than there previously was.

That's what even in the first time we saw new asgard i was like i assumed a lot of it was just humans and they're like there's because they just sort of took over somebody else's country anyway so yeah but they. Did but i mean they're bringing in a lot of resources and you know and you know whatever else but yeah so but yes there's probably a lot more intermingling going on there but Yeah, but still. I just started questioning it. I was like, wait a minute. Where did you two come from?

Yeah, I love it. Or three, because we have Odin, too. Yeah, and bringing in Melissa McCarthy as Hela was an inspired choice. That was pretty great. Her busting through, I'm like, yes!

And, of course, her husband, Ben, showed up right there at the end for the balance. So he's the director of this whole thing. Of course. It's like, oh, thank you, thank you. Yep.

I didn't think you could one-up the acting troupe that was already there in Ragnarok. And then giving them a second scene where like, oh, they want to turn the current tragedy into a play. At this point, people need art. I just love it. It's like Matt Damon has worked himself into the MCU and this is the way he's worked himself in.

That's just, thank you. That's just like, you know what? Damon is a weirdo. I like him and all, but his weird, I want to shove myself in bit parts in everyone else's movie that's been going on for like 25 years now. But it's like, he's got his, he had his franchise of the Bourne Identity, made all this cash there, kind of stuff like that, but he's fine doing whatever the hell he wants to, or he's doing these weird movies, you know, he's going to buy a zoo, and whatever the hell else he's going to do, but But yeah, but just like him just showing up as like an actor recreating, you know, great Asgardian legends, you know, for a stage audience.

Like, oh, love that shit. Yep, that was fun to see. Yeah, so, yeah. I did, I guess just to throw it out there, I did, for some reason, I don't normally do this going in, but I think I just wanted to watch something and I was like, let's throw this on, this on. I was going back and forth.

I figured I'd end up watching marvel anyway so then i was like let's just go ahead and throw ragnarok back on oh yeah yeah because i have watched it again since then but it's still been a while and then um so yeah i watched that just before the new one so it is interesting kind of counterbalancing that it's also really interesting seeing her hello It was like, I just saw the other, like, that's a different thing. Yeah. A very different inspired performance. But yeah, so it's, it's really weird that it is still the same director because as much of the comedic tone is still kind of there. It feels pretty different.

I don't know. Well, this is definitely a lot more heart as in this movie for obvious reasons. Yeah. So, yeah, it has a little bit more of an emotional kind of feel to it. But, yeah, I mean, it's like it makes sense, though, because, you know, Thor does have a much very different place in the MCU now.

It's like, okay, it's like he's basically... It's like he and Bruce and Clint are like the last of the original Avengers. Yeah. You know, everybody else is dead or retired. So, that's kind of messed up.

You know. you know, all this group and everything else you represented, those are all kind of gone. And so, you know, you went through this great traumatic event, several traumatic events, you know, in your rather long lifespan, but all that trauma was at one focal point. And so it's like, yeah, you're pretty well shaken. And so, and to have, you know, the scenes with the guardians, I was, I've, I could have gone with a lot more of them palling around doing their stuff together. I assumed initially when they put them together at the end of that movie and then when they were supposedly coming back to do more, I thought it was going to be more of that.

I don't... Again, they almost work better as their own separate thing. I don't know. I like those two movies on their own. And we really don't get a lot of interaction there.

I guess a little bit in Infinity War. Oh, yeah. Rocket's the only one that hangs around, so you get a good amount with him overall. Well, you definitely get a lot. Star-Lord definitely kind of stuck it like a turd in a punch bowl with everybody else because basically he's too stupid to know he's not the best hero there.

I think that's why I was glad that they took off. I've got such a weird thing with him lately. I'm so tired of him. I. I put a lot of the whatever else past that and just kind of focus on it.

And it's both, though. That's the thing. If it's a problem with the actor as an actor or whatever artist as an artist, I try to separate those two. But I also am very... Before all of that happened in the real world, in Infinity War, I'm just so angry with Star-Lord for screwing everything up.

I legitimately, in the theater, was like... idiot like they had it they had it and you screwed it up and everybody dies because of you so like i was already annoyed at the character from that point on and then he's also as an actor turned out kind of weird lately so i will be glad to watch the new movie it's i like again i like the concept i like the crew i like everything else but i just have to shove that off and because i have somebody that i a more normal person, if you will, keeps asking me if I've watched the tomorrow war or whatever that thing is that he's in. Oh yeah. The Amazon one. Yeah. And I'm just like, no, it's like mostly cause I don't want to watch it.

And I've heard terrible things about it, but. I mean, cause he's got, there's, there's a new movie he's got now called the terminal list. It's like a spy thriller or something like that. And that's, yeah, that's also promo for that. That's also getting terrible reviews too.

Uh, tomorrow war is okay. Uh, It's probably the best I've heard of it. Yeah. I mean, it's not great. It didn't blow me away.

Frankly, The Atom Project on Netflix, which kind of has a bit of a sci-fi, timey-wimey kind of element to it as well, is a much more fun and better executed movie. But also has a lot to do with Ryan Reynolds being a much more likable actor. Yeah, I mean. So yeah, if you want to take the two of those, Adam Project is a much better film. I did watch that one, so that tells you.

I saw that and went, oh yeah, I want to see that. And then I saw the other one and went, I don't think so. This is not a bad movie by any means, but it's also like, okay, if you've seen everything else... Go ahead. But if you've got other stuff you need to see, or maybe you were putting this off, or maybe there's this old movie you want to check out, go ahead and do that.

I think it was also around that time. Yeah, it was before that, I guess. But I didn't see it right away. So it was around that same time that Passengers came out. And I still kind of blame him for that, too.

Oh, yeah. Maybe the decision of making it, but definitely that character within that movie, I'm just like, what? I avoided that movie. Oh. wow if you just want to be like puzzled i mean i'm just watching it going. A studio was okay with you making this story i mean i don't know maybe it's based on something else but i'm like there's just a big turn in there and i'm just like okay i can't like this character anymore and now we have an hour left in this movie i'm like so what are we supposed to do with this guy like it's And the movie itself wants to make a turn and be like, no, he's fine.

He's a hero. Yay. I'm just like, I don't like this guy. So I already was sort of holding him responsible for passengers. And then he screws up Infinity War.

And so, yeah, I'm just annoyed at Chris Pratt. Well, the thing is, anytime I see Chris Pratt, of course, I'm a big Parks and Recreation fan. See, I liked him on that. He's always going to be Andy Dwyer to me. And he could be a.

Rhodes Scholar in real life, but he's always going to be a flaming dipshit because I see him as Andy Dwyer. And then it's funny that he takes the role of Star-Lord because when Star-Lord first came out in the 70s, he was a very bland kind of hero. Like, other things around Star-Lord's world were far more interesting than the character itself. Obviously. Still, like, the whole crew is way cooler than him.

Well, it's this thing. When Star-Lord was first created, there was no crew. Like, he was not a part of the Guardians of the Galaxy. He was just another space hero. Yeah.

He had a ship called Ship That was sentient. Like, he would have conversations with his ship and they would... And then he had a weapon called the Sun Gun, which basically was like an element. He could harness the elements through this weapon. You know, sort of a thing like that.

But the whole Guardians thing, there was a different team. There was a whole thing. So he was kind of like a character who was introduced to little anthology books or magazines or whatever else. So they could try to do some weird sci-fi stuff. He didn't catch on.

Fast forward about 30, 25, 30 years, and a group of guys by the name of Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning are redoing Guardians of the Galaxy, and they bring Star-Lord out from obscurity. And they bust out a couple other heroes from obscurity as well. We've got a whole new Guardians team, which is basically the team we know from the movies. Yeah. Minus a few other people who, for legal reasons, can't be involved in the movies.

Yet. Yet. We'll iron those details out later. Dude, if Bug ever shows up in a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, there will be millions of fans who will shit themselves because there's no way Hasbro is giving that up. At this point, I don't put anything past.

I mean, literally, Hasbro would have to go out of business for them to give up the rights to that character because they're like, no, we want to keep some money, Disney. Stranger things have happened. You can't have this. So, yeah, but nonetheless. But this is kind of more of that era of the book's crew, and Star-Lord was a broken man when we see him at this point.

He's not a goofy kind of guy, but he's definitely no longer the superhero thing anymore, and he kind of earns those stripes back throughout the story. But, yeah, he is clearly very flawed, very broken, not good at his job whatsoever. So while he's, like I said, not kind of a goofy kind of feel to him, he's definitely a screw-up. So it's interesting that, like, you know, Pratt takes that role. He's like, well, it's like you made him a little more lovable.

But you're a doofus. So you're still very bad at your job. Yeah, you're a goofball. Yeah, so. But I'm curious when we see Guardians 3, because, of course, I know there supposedly is a Christmas special that's going to be on Disney Plus that involves the Guardians.

Yeah. That's coming out supposedly this year. That's right. And then Guardians 3 coming out next year. So I don't know if we're going to see any more of the Thor stuff from that.

Yeah, it seemed like from this angle it wrapped everything up. But who knows? I mean, it may involve a flashback. Because it's the thing, too. It's kind of where they left things off.

Like, okay, we got all the Aisha and all her golden people. And she's supposed to be bringing out a warlock. And so there's that dangling participle. And Will Poulter's coming in to fill that void. But it's like, okay, well, there's still some other story stuff.

And are we going to address the Gamora situation? That's what I noticed going in here. Yeah, because I know we left it at that. But I thought by the time we caught up with them again, they would have won her back over. And this version of Gamora would be closer to the one we saw before.

But she's just gone in this movie. Now, granted, by the time we get to the next one. Yeah, I think it's a story that they need to tell. And they, I think, obviously will. Because I haven't heard anything about Zoe Saldana not... being in guardians three.

And actually what I had heard was as it continues on, however far they plan to go with guardians as a concept. i thought star lord was getting taken out of it more or less and it was going to focus more i thought she was going to end up being captain of the ship and like she was going to be leading a team that was kind of a different group of people more or less. Yeah and that's very possible because i know like pratt's done after this movie um Bradley Cooper's done after this movie. Dave Bautista's done. Probably Vin Diesel is as well. So, you know, leaving basically like Gamora and then getting like a new ragtag band of misfits, that is completely 100% on brand for the Guardians.

May is this. You've got to have May. But the Guardians has had more of a rotating roster than the Avengers have. Yeah, yeah. Because the Avengers, they'll hang on to a roster for five, maybe even ten years, where the Guardians are like, okay, we've got this team for six months, and then we've got to go to somebody else here.

So sometimes you do see members coming back, but there's other times like, somebody's out for whatever reason, or somebody's dead, or somebody leaves the team, or whatever else. It'll be interesting, because they work so well as that initial group. Sure. And you've added in one, but other than that, it's been pretty much the same through several movies now. Yeah, well, I mean.

It'll be hard to get around that, but, again, if you bring in the right people, it'll be fine. Well, see, the interesting thing is, though they kind of, like, interspersed them in, like, little cameos in the second film when they introduced the Ravagers... Yeah. The original Guardians of the Galaxy team that's from the 70s through the 90s has hardly been represented. Yeah.

We've seen like, okay, there was a little cameo this person, a little cameo this person. So the Ravagers basically, a majority of those people are the original team, highly retconned, but that's most of the original team. So it's like, are we ever going to see anything from those people? No. You know, so...

And, of course, the thing that's interesting with them is, like, at one point, they are in modern-day Earth, because that's where one of the characters comes from. But then they basically go through a couple of wormholes, and they get transported a few thousand years into the future, and are in, basically, like, the 3000s, essentially. And dealing with stuff, you know, that's in future Earth and other parts of the universe. So. It's like, are we going to maybe see something later on there?

So there's lots of potential of keeping the Guardians brand much like the Avengers brand without necessarily having the original group. Yeah. Well, I don't know. We don't get much with them, which I kind of felt that. They didn't put a ton in there.

The trailers were really weird going into this because there was a whole lot of stuff that wasn't represented. On purpose, I feel like. But that was one of those, you didn't get much from the Guardians. So I assumed it would be a, here they are at the beginning, continuing where we left them. And then, okay, we're done with you, Thor, bye.

Which is pretty much exactly what it is. Literally, they're like, okay, bye. He's speechifying everything. And they're like, okay, later. He's still talking, and they're gone.

And they're gone. Yeah, that whole element, basically Thor annoyed everybody by the time everybody was ready for him to go. was great, and being an old-school Norse mythology fan, that's part of my childhood, I personally have been waiting for Toothnasher and Toothgrinder, the goats of thunder themselves, to show up in the MCU, and it took four movies for that to happen. But again, I had to think to myself today, If they were in the last one, they probably wouldn't have made it out. That's true. So for them to get rolled out in this wonderful fashion, and I love that being a gift.

Like, no, no, you have to get. No, you accept them. You accept this. You have to take them out. It's like.

You have to take these screaming jackass goats. Giant screaming goats. Yeah. And that's, oh my God. I've seen the movie twice now.

I saw it Thursday and I saw it again tonight. And I just. I can't stop laughing every time they're screaming. Were they screaming goats initially? Was it specified?

Because I think here it's just because it's so damn funny. It is so damn funny. As soon as they did it, I was just like, oh God, this is going to be a nightmare. And then it just kept on. I'm sure they were probably doing some screaming, especially when they're in battle.

Norse mythology has some weird shit throughout there. Of course, it's so funny, like, people would go on about the Loki series and him you know, feeling kind of gender fluid, and Sylvie being gender fluid, and she being, you know, it's like, oh, Loki, he's like, dude, go back and read some fucking Norse mythology. Loki was gender fluid before Christianity existed, dipshits. All of these, again, Greek, Roman, like, they did whatever the hell they wanted. So any of your old civilizations, that wasn't really a problem a lot of the time.

It totally was not a problem. And the thing is, like, okay, yeah, Zeus himself transformed himself into swans and various other creatures. He was just a hoe. And seduced things. But, like, Loki, like, took it to another level.

Yeah. Like, it was like, yes, he would transform himself as something and go have sex with something else, but then, like, he'd throw in some other just dastardly... You know, I mean, this is the guy who literally is responsible for the end of the world. He's a trickster. So, but, yeah, but, yeah, so.

Well, I like that little intro there because, again, we left it with Thor being that broken version of Thor. Especially physically, we knew we were going to have to get him back to his old... So we get our little workout montage. So we can be like, and now he's back to being ripped. In fact, he's even more ripped.

Yeah, no kidding. This is his biggest. Version of him. Yeah. He is huge in this movie.

But man, he had to look good next to Jane, though. Well, I think that was part of it, too, is like being the butt of the joke of an entire movie of how out of shape he was. I think. For the character, we needed that, and probably for Chris. He was just like, look, dude, I didn't really look like that.

I've worked out for all of these movies, dammit. I need to get recognition of how hot I am. That's called a fat suit. Now, do the shot of me with my shirt off like every Marvel movie has. They did not disappoint on this one.

Yeah, it's a nice switch. Go from fat Thor to naked, cut up, I mean. Ripped like you wouldn't believe. Holy shit. Yeah, but I'm really glad with the Jane Foster storyline throughout here because that's a really cool storyline in the book with basically her essentially having stage four cancer that kind of came out of nowhere.

The same way in the book, too. It's almost like, boom, you got cancer. And they're kind of getting like, okay, well, basically, maybe if I get this hammer, the Asgardian magic will kind of give me a little last bit of, you know, life. And it does, but much like in the movie, every time she transforms, it takes a bit of her life force and it's killing her even faster. So again, jumping to the end, but only to ask, answer my question.

Cause that's what I left the movie going. Was that, I mean, is that how it ended within the comics? No, because that's what I didn't. That's my, one of my issues with it was like, I don't understand the point of going through all this trouble to bring Jane in as the new Thor and to then completely wipe it out in the span of a movie. I was like, I thought that was why, like with all of these characters, we're kind of handing the mantle.

We're like, okay, you're the new Thor now. And especially to have a female Thor was a cool thing. So I'm like, and I like Natalie Portman. I would want to get her back, but it's weird to get her back for a one-off. And then she's like, all right, I'm done.

I'm out now. Well, of course, you know, she was noticeably absent from all of the Infinity War and Endgame stuff. I mean, like, all the time. Even Ultron. They mention her, but she's not there.

Yeah. So, like, she was already done by Dark World. Right. Yeah. So, you know, Marvel kind of, you know. you know, ruin the party for her there, but somehow we're able to court her back.

And the way they left it is because, yeah, it's very different than how they did in the comics, but there's a lot of stuff different from this particular storyline and the other elements they added into it. They had to change a lot of stuff and skip a lot of like, okay, well, you didn't need to know all this. You didn't need to know all this. You didn't know this. This doesn't pertain to the situation.

Which I'm fine with them changing stuff if it makes for a better story. I just don't understand like capping it off immediately. It was like, why bother bringing her back if we're not going to have her for a while? Well, I think they knew, it was like, okay, we got her back at least for this one, but the door is left open. Because currently in the books, there was a big Asgardian conflict between all the realms, and in this conflict, all of the Valkyrie were killed.

And. Has also happened. Minus one. Minus one. Well, see, even that Valkyrie was also killed.

Brunhilde was also killed, too. So at the end of it, Jane becomes the last Valkyrie. And so she's given this weapon called the All Weapon, which basically can kind of turn into whatever. Basically, it could be a sword. It could be an axe.

It could be whatever she feels like it needs to be. That would be handy to have. Yeah, it's a really cool kind of weapon. But she's basically currently the last Valkyrie. Hmm.

But the interesting thing is that also they're kind of planting the seed in the Avengers books. Of course, she's a member of the Avengers as Valkyrie, side by side with Thor. And there's been a couple of times where Jane's had a moment alone with Mjolnir. And you can kind of tell maybe they're planting the seed that she wants the hammer back. Like she enjoyed her time being Thor.

She's cancer-free currently. She's in remission. The Asgardians were actually able to cure her in the comics. So she's in remission. So, she's not worrying about dying anymore.

But she kind of misses that power back. And it's almost to the point, like, they're planting that seed. Like, could she have the ability to also be another Thor? Or could this be a possible conflict in the future? Right.

That was my other takeaway. I was like, we've got all the magic of Asgard and you can fly and do all these other crazy things, but we can't beat cancer. I was like, that's our own problem here. And we don't have any of that crap. So I was just like, can't the magical powers of Marvel at least cure cancer?

Well, obviously not in this movie. I think too. I think since we had, you know, the scene of basically like Gore, you know, wanting to bring his daughter back from the dead and, And then Thor wanting to save Jane, and basically they make the decision and help Gor make his proper decision. Like, okay, let's bring the daughter back, and let's accept Jane's sacrifice, and there you go. So they had a lot of, I think it would take away the emotion of the scene of Gor dying, but he brought his daughter back, and then Thor gets Jane back.

I think you had to have. Some of that. It's still a weird choice. It is. Like I said, I think Marvel had every intention, like, okay, we want to be able to bring her back if we want to, which is basically she's in Valhalla.

And the good thing about Valhalla is like, well, if you're a female and you're dead... and you're a warrior, what does that qualify you to be? A fucking Valkyrie. So whether or not she comes back as the last Valkyrie, because Brute Hilda is killed or something like that, or she can come back as a second Valkyrie remains to be seen. But that door is left open for her to return. I don't know.

That was a weird move. Yes, but there's so much shit they had to cut out. And that's the thing. This almost is two different movies at war with itself. Because I feel like we got so little of Gore, really.

He's creepy, but it's like we don't really get all of the god killing of this god killer anymore. is done off screen, essentially. Yeah, we just see bits and pieces of it on screens, we go and see it after the fact, but, like, we really get none of, like, for building up what should have been a really big villain, like, He's just sort of like a bad guy of the week, really. Natalie Portman herself has said that there's a lot on the cutting room floor. So it's strange, too. Like, this is clocking in at probably the shortest level.

It's a little over two hours, yeah. It's barely two hours, yeah. I saw it on there earlier because I didn't remember it being... a huge movie like so many of them are. Yeah, I mean, of course I know, like, okay, this is not an endgame level kind of movie, but it's like, Gore's a really good villain. Yeah, for that storyline and that villain, you would think they would plan as, like, take their time to introduce him, maybe make it a two-movie arc or something, like, at least make it a bigger thing, but he has little screen time, I feel like.

Well, I mean, the thing is, too, you've got to take into consideration that the storyline that Jason Aaron did that introduced Gore, Gore did not survive that storyline. So he's dead. So he basically survived like eight to ten issues, and he's gone. But his impact, though, was pretty big, because at the time the character was introduced, Thor did not wield Mjolnir. And the reason why he did not wield it, because there was an event that happens...

And Thor had a secret whispered to him that basically made Thor feel unworthy. And that secret was basically that people don't need gods. Gods need people. And that fact blew his mind. And it's like, oh shit.

And so basically he drops Mjolnir and suddenly he can't pick it up anymore. Because he's not worth it. And so he basically leaves it on the moon where this... I mean, like our moon. He leaves it where it lays.

And then basically very similar to the books, Jane essentially is, I guess, seduced by Mjolnir to basically come pick her up. So it's like, wait a minute, how's this normal Earth woman who at the time was dying of cancer suddenly able to be transported to the moon and pick up this hammer? But it happened because it's comic books. But yeah, so it was interesting because Jane... and Mjolnir had a very different relationship than Thor did. Cause Thor basically like, I throw the hammer straight and it goes straight.

And this was given to me. And this is what I do. But like, Jane has like a little bit like relationship. Well, I was like, she had like the hammer genuinely likes her. It seemed like, whereas like it kind of, you know, maybe like over the years, it kind of got tired of Thor shit sometimes or else, but it genuinely liked Jane.

It performed differently for Jane. Like it was like, it was like creative basically. Um, It seemed like he was almost having fun fighting. And Thor immediately noticed this, like, I didn't know it could do that. You see this scene where, of course, since the hammer was fragmented and splits apart.

Now it has shotgun mode, essentially. Yeah. That's straight out of the books. But the hammer wasn't shattered. The hammer basically... splits itself into, like, multiple, like, it literally turns, it, like, becomes multiple hammer, you know?

It's like, there's one hammer, now there's hundreds of hammers, and it takes out a hundred dudes at once, and Thor's like, I, what? Or, like, when, you know, he throws it, he'd, like, throw it in a straight line, or, like, he would, like, his way to fly was, he'd swing the hammer and throw it, and he's essentially holding on for dear life. Yeah. Do this hammer. And that's how he's flying.

He's not like Superman where he's flying. He's literally throwing something so hard and holding onto it that it's propelling him through the air. Whereas, like, Jane, like, she'd throw the hammer and it'd go, whee! And it's all making little big curly cues. And so, like, literally, like, Mjolnir was having fun being wielded by Jane.

See, again, I like that. I liked her getting the call. I liked her going to. That's kind of why I wish we had more with it. Because I liked Jane more.

In this role, essentially. So I would have liked to have seen if we... I mean, I guess they've had to decide what the hell they're doing with Thor. Because I like the idea going into that trailer. It makes it look like he's done.

Like he's had so much of this for however many thousand years he's been around now. And then also going through everything he did with the... Endgame and. All of that. Endgame and Ragnarok.

All of that, yeah. I thought it was actually interesting of him just being like, you know what? I've done that. I want to do something else. So then handing it to her was really interesting.

So I kind of wanted them to continue with that. And then we sort of reset everything by the end of the movie almost. Slightly different, but enough that I was like, oh, well now we're not really doing much different. It's just slightly different, but I don't know. We took the main changes out of the mix.

Well, there was some speculation, too, that maybe Thor might die. By the end, it's like gore might kill him. Well, that's kind of, yeah, because it seemed like he was done with it. Also, I thought maybe with all the actors, they seemed to be kind of moving on to different projects. Not him.

Maybe he was done with this, and this was his way out. It's like, okay, I'm going to do one more movie with you as the crossover. This is my generation's. I'll be there for a little bit, but then we'll hand it to you and you can take off with it. But yeah, it takes a much different turn at the end where basically Thor becomes a surrogate father to a child of eternity.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Where does the kid get all her powers? Just from eternity itself? Basically, she is the... Okay, I've talked about him before.

We've talked about superhero stuff, but I'm really finally excited that we... We just got a little taste. Of eternity. But I love the whole interpretation. Like, basically, when they're going through the portal in there, it's like, okay, we are in the white space.

And the white space gets translated to, oh, there's this nice tepid water and the clouds. Is that the same space you go when you, the Infinity Gauntlet? No, that's a different. Because it's similar. Yeah, well, that's the thing.

It's all in your head, essentially. Well, basically, it's a different plane of existence. And it's basically supposed to be like a plane of peace. You know, it's supposed to just be completely tranquil. that is more along the lines of like, okay, your human mind cannot comprehend exactly where you are or your Asgardian mind or whatever else. Your minds are far too small to comprehend where you are, what you're doing, and who you are in the presence of.

So we dumb it down for you, give you fluffy clouds and a nice water. Which is pretty much what people need. Right. But what you're looking at is the entirety... of the universe in a humanoid somewhat form. And again, it itself is dumbing it down for you, making itself look that way.

But you are basically addressing the entirety of the universe standing outside of it. Some really heady shit here. It's like you're basically talking to God standing outside of the known everything and asking him for a favor. Before, again, I'm jumping in a couple of places, but going to the same place, because Gore didn't have powers initially, right? Right.

He was just a guy with a kid, and it all came from that process. So then why now does the kid. No, they say all of his abilities come 100% from the Necrosword. Yeah. And again, they had a heavily retconned Necrosword as well.

Because while in the storyline that basically the sword does exactly what it is, in truth, the sword itself is a symbiote just like Venom. That's what... Yeah, I'd heard that the powers he had were very similar to Venom and. Yeah, that's... See, and then they... didn't call it a symbiote, and they called those things shadow creatures, and they didn't act like or look like symbiotes.

They were just black. They were cool. Yeah, they were cool, but they didn't look and act like symbiotes, so that completely part has been retconned out. It's probably good, because we've got enough of that, and it's in its own separate little area over there, so it's good to separate them. Well, the interesting thing is that though Gore is dead, the Necrosaur does make a return in the King in Black storyline, where we basically meet Null... who is the king and ruler and creator of all the symbiotes from the planet where these things all come from.

And he comes to Earth with the notion to conquer everything, and the only thing standing against him is Venom, who essentially is not a hero and has kind of just recently learned of his total place in the universe and the history of the thing he's been wearing for 20, 30 years. But Null, when he shows up to Earth, is literally wielding the Necrosword because it is a symbiote. So it's in his. This is a lot more to get into. It's in his service.

Exactly. It's a lot of shit to get into. It's a lot more to get into. But yeah, so all of Gore's abilities 100% come from the sword. So that's what I was like.

So the fact that the kid is now superpowered is kind of weird. Is that just from... Like, why give the kid superpowers if you're the eternal being there? Well, that's the thing, is that basically... That's a difficult question to answer because they haven't quite... given us more information on that.

Because one of two things could be possible. That Eternity, you know, granted this child be alive and it has some godlike abilities and there's your child. Or the even headier and much more frightening is that that child is Eternity in the form of Gore's daughter getting a bit of a second life, seeing how the other half lives. But we now have... I don't know what the word is that's beyond an Omega level, but we have this level ability of a god, even beyond a god.

This is. I don't know what's beyond a god, but we have that hanging out with the old God of Thunder, smacking away at little aliens and doing stuff like that, hanging out with their old dad and acting like a little girl, painting cutesy faces on... Mjolnir and giving it tassels and kind of that kind of stuff but yeah it's like this is this is a a world building. There's definitely a lot that could come from that yeah or not if they don't want to go that way but they it's it would be hard. To not do something with that this this this child could play a humongous role later on uh and the interesting thing is too is that There's a character that was kind of created in the 80s called Starbrand.

That's been recently reincorporated back in the Avengers. Basically, it's kind of like an alien power that kind of inhabits whatever its host is, and they have godlike abilities and whatever else. But when it inhabits a character from Earth, it was an infant. And in the matter of several months, that infant grows into a 20-something... you know, child now. So she's, she's now since, you know, in her early twenties now, but still is trying to learn how humans work, how things are going.

Cause you skipped that part. Right. And you're also an Omega level powered being. So you have great abilities to do whatever the hell you want to. And you're still trying to work out how your emotions go.

Well, I thought maybe the way they leave it is sort of a, open door to be able to do that same thing anyway like okay Jane's gone but we want to hand it over to a girl type person we're giving her Stormbreaker so is she as quickly as they want to make her grow up she just becomes the new Thor since she's being raised by Thor in How to Be a Thor, here, take my giant axe and go take care of business. Yeah, and I think it's interesting, too, that he's back to wielding Mjolnir and gives the child the. Because he specifically wanted the big one as we got into the battle there at the end. So now he's traded off. I think just the weird jealousy thing of...

Yeah, but it's... The hammer jealousy act. Even funnier than Stormbreaker was jealousy. that little relationship throughout. The movie was pretty fun that was great he's like what we were just talking and see it's fun too they've kind of done some new things because of course like you know the child I guess love is what we're calling her She's kind of a new element. Because in the book, Gorr had a wife and a son that died the same way the daughter does.

And at the end, he's able to bring his son back. But Gorr doesn't... That's it. We don't see the kid again. Yeah, that's it.

So this girl is a new element to things. But the Stormbreaker itself is a new element. Because at the time when Thor is not wielding Mjolnir, he goes back to his childhood... weapon he had, which was an axe named Jornborn. Which being a big, you know, it's like J-A-R-L-N, Unlaut, Unlaut, you know, Jornborn or something like that. But yeah, but basically it's just like a big ass, you know, one-sided axe.

And so he's, but it looks like it's, like it was stuck into like a big tree branch or something like that. So, you know, Stormbreaker does kind of resemble Jornborn. Yeah. But it's still kind of like, it was, yeah, I wish they would have If we can save Mjolnir and get people around that one, we can get around a Yharnbrunn. I don't know.

They make a lot of crazy words over there. Well, you know, they're Vikings. They can do that sort of thing. But yeah, this was, you know, it was a fun movie. It's, you know, there is some, you know, some darker stuff, some emotional stuff, whatever else that happens.

But we don't necessarily get like, this isn't like a big world. And we always like Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness had some big shit going on there. Spider-Man No Way Home had some big shit going on there. So we needed to like, let's have a movie that doesn't have a lot of big shit going on. This felt, yeah, this felt a little, even again, because I just rewatched Ragnarok.

And Ragnarok is so light in tone and yet has such huge and like grim things happen along the way. That's why I was always amazed how well it works on both sides there. Where this, I don't know, like it just feels different because it doesn't feel like it has any of the bigger stuff in it. The thing that should be grim and big is our villain and we don't get much of him at all. Yeah.

And then it's working in the other relationship stuff and him, you know, figuring out stuff and Jane dealing with stuff. So like all that's there. And this is weird now that I guess this is what we have to ask every day. I guess since we've started this, a lot of times I've brought this up of the Would this have worked better as a series? I don't think so.

I don't know. I wouldn't have, you know, I would have liked a little bit more in this movie. It's strange that we're coming out of a superhero movie and going, you know, I could have used a little bit more, you know, in here. So that's nice in itself. But there's so many other seeds that could be further planted because like I'm curious, of course, like.

You know, we introduced Zeus and a bit of the Greek pantheon. We saw a lot of the other gods there, too. Yeah. But, yeah, Zeus always plays a very important role because you can't have Zeus without having Hercules. And so we get our first cut scene where we introduced Hercules very briefly.

But he's there. And so we're... I'm curious what they're going to do with that story because there's not a specific story where Zeus is like... I'm mad. I want followers again.

Yeah, he's a dick because 90% of all these gods are completely worthless. There are some good ones, yes. But for the most part, these are worthless beings that people have chosen to worship and they really don't have a place to. But at the same time, though, when Hercules was introduced in the Thor books, they were adversarial. Because basically Hercules initially was like, you know, kind of sometimes what heroes do, there's a misunderstanding.

And so these two are basically the two biggest bulls in the China shop. They are, you know, Thor has the sparkly stuff. So that's the only thing Hercules doesn't have. But on strength and might and combat levels, they are equals. So this is going to be a good fight.

But, you know. The biggest difference was when Hercules would come to town ready to fight Thor, Hercules didn't give two shits about property damage, about innocent lives. He was all about the glory and honor of combat and the frivolity and whatever else of the party afterwards. Which is basically what... Thor was.

Right. In his old version of Thor. Right, yeah. Thor evolved emotionally and maturity far faster than Hercules did. Yeah.

Matter of fact, it took Hercules quite a long time to get past this stage. where he's finally become a little more self-actualized, but he's, you know, but yeah, there's, you know, basically Hercules is like, he's very slow to evolve. That was. Mostly just from watching these two most recent things, though. I was like, I almost could have switched them. Because I feel like I'm really enjoying the big action, what little we get with Ms.

Marvel. I feel like you could do a really good big screen version of that. So we could have had a big screen origin story for her. And then you could almost take this Thor, like, figuring out what he wants to do next, dealing with Jane. Like, that could almost be a six episode arc.

And, like, we figure it out and then move on to the next thing. So I... I was thinking that after I was done, I was walking around going, you know, you kind of could have switched those and I'd be okay with it. Yeah. But definitely the two biggest points I left with at the end of this movie is like, okay, what are we going to do with Zeus and Hercules next?

What's the further endgame? I know we're going to see a fight between Hercules and Thor. But what's going to be the end game for that? And then the second thing is like, what are we doing with this child with love? Definitely with love.

Yeah. That's a huge open ended. But the fact that they came back with the singer that's got, you know, Zeus again, which again, I was trying to decide if he was dead initially. And I was like, is it okay for him to kill Zeus? I don't think he's our hero.

I don't think you're supposed to be killing him. So thankfully, I guess they worked that back in. Yeah. Points to Russell Crowe for taking on this role that makes him look pretty ridiculous. And especially like I'm thinking of him in the outfit, you know, last time when he's Gladiator.

Yeah. In his like most badass fit dude that he is. And now he's just kind of a hefty old man. He's prancing around in his little skirt. Even the armor's got a gut.

I was like, old Russell Crowe. I don't know if he would have been comfortable with this. So I think he's grown quite a bit as a guy, as an actor. And now he's just like, all right, let's have fun. Yeah, his performance in this is great.

And the whole thing, too, when he's like, when he descends the stairs like he's wearing like a traditional like you know skirt kind of little thing they would wear but when like he picks it when he picks it up to go down the stairs like dude there was nowhere near your feet what are you doing yeah that was that was some fun little choices and stuff like that but yeah just to make you know, totally laughing at himself, you know, at his gladiator role and going to Zeus like, okay, yeah. If we're going to do this, let's have fun. I see what you're doing here, buddy. And then I haven't watched Ted Lasso, but the dude from Ted Lasso is Hercules and people were excited about that. So I was like, okay, cool.

But I mean, he looks like Hercules because Hercules is a big, beefy, you know, hairy-chested dude carrying lots of weapons and very little armor. And he's Hercules. You don't need it, I guess. Yeah, he doesn't need it. So, I'm excited to see where that's going.

But, yeah, it's like I'm very interested to see how, like I said, this child of eternity is supposed to work out because, you know, Marvel hasn't quite revealed the plan yet of where this is all going. No. We're getting close to ending this particular phase where we're introducing some new people, getting in some new generations, some new talent. into the pool here, but we haven't really thrown out. What's the big threat yet? Unless you've been watching Loki.

And we're a lot of movies and TV shows in now that I hadn't thought about it, but then like something I was like, they started listing off all the ones since in game. And I was like, Oh yeah, I forgot about, Oh yeah. And that one. Oh, I was like, we're really far into this new wave and we haven't really pinned down. We don't have a big bad, really.

There's hints. We, we, Some of the people have figured out where they're going, but not everybody. I'm like, we're still kind of getting going to be this far in. Well, see, you got to think about it, too, though. It's like, you know, when they started the MCU with Iron Man, you know, we didn't know that it was heading towards Infinity Gauntlet.

No. Later on, we finally did, right? But we have Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Hulk, 4-1, Captain America... Before, so five movies before we get to Avengers, which has a tease of Thanos. Yeah.

So we're just introduced to our big bad when we get to our sixth film. We don't get to what he's actually doing until we get to the Guardians. But we also had no idea that was a thing you could do. Sure. That was, I mean... there's been a few crossovers in movies over the years, but not real often.

And not to that extent with that kind of cast and that kind of budget that like, you couldn't have imagined in that first Iron Man movie jumped to end game when like the ridiculous amount of actors that are all on screen and getting paid, whatever it took to bring all those people in one movie that, yeah. So, I mean, that was a whole new concept. Those first four movies there of like, wait, what, what are we doing? All right, we can make this work. Hold on.

Like, so, Now that we have it down and we know where, you'd think, again, and it hasn't really changed hands. I mean, Feige's still running things. Sure. So you would think he would be like, all right, let's pin this down. We know where we're going.

But I don't know. There's a lot of balls in the air on this one. Well, that's the thing is that the MCU is so in tune with the books that comic fans know, like, the big events, sometimes there's six issues. Sometimes there are eight issues. Sometimes there are 12 issues.

Sometimes it's one. So, you know, they're not all the same. They don't handle the same. Yes, it's always the heroes fighting some big bad thing that could possibly kill all of the world and all of existence or whatever else. But we have to paint that same picture a different way every time we do it.

So... Yeah, I mean, you know, there was a lead up to Endgame and a plan and a plot and everything like that. There's a lead up to whatever we're heading to. Yeah, we just don't know what it is yet. We don't know what that is just yet, but we will.

Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, by the end of this year, we're going to have, you know, Black Panther 2, Wakanda Forever. You're going to have a couple more series under the belt here. And then going into next year, you're going to have another Ant-Man movie, which we're going into the Quantum Realm. And then we've got Guardians 3, and you've also got Captain Marvel 2.

So there's a lot of space stuff, a lot of dimensional stuff in those three movies. Wakanda Forever, you're going to be introducing Atlantis in there. So there's a lot of big, we're world building in this new phase. And I just saw they denounced the director for the new Captain America movie. So I don't know.

That's probably two years out. Oh, for Captain America 4? Yeah, for the next wave of Captain America. Who'd they pick? Let me look and see.

I didn't recognize it. Oh, okay. Sometimes Marvel likes to bring in, occasionally bring in somebody. Yeah, a lot of times they like to pick an up-and-coming, hey, you're a new kid directing things. We can tell you to do whatever the hell you want.

You'll be glad to do it. Yeah, well, sometimes you get, you know, a guy that's a journeyman, you know, you know, kind of filmmaker that's not going to make, you know, a big wave, but will make a solid film and do what Marvel wants. Or you get like a Sam Raimi, you know, or Russo Brothers or whatnot that's going to have their own specific kind of, or James Gunn is going to have their own specific kind of style of things. So, yeah. Julius O.

O-N-A-H. That doesn't sound familiar. He did... I remember I. Read it earlier.

Let's see. He did The Cloverfield Paradox and Luce, L-U-C-E, which I have not seen. I have not seen that. I've seen Cloverfield Paradox. It was a Netflix one.

I've heard not good things about that one as well. I mean, it's not a bad film, but it's unnecessary. It's still an interesting jump to go from that to Captain America 4. I don't know. But again, they have a plan with who they want to bring in a lot of times.

Well, with him being an African-American and you're going to basically have an African-American Captain America. I would assume they want that. But still, I feel like there's some other names they could have gone with. Oh, shit, yeah. But, you know.

Well, it all kind of depends on what kind of movie they're wanting to make, too. It's like, you know, do we want to make something kind of a big event thing? Do we want to make some kind of stance on something? Or are we just trying to tell another Captain America story? Are we just continuing where we left off on the series?

Right. So, yeah. It could go a lot of ways. Yeah, there's a lot of ways. But, yeah, so right now we're still doing a lot of world building in this particular new phase, introducing a lot of new characters.

But, yeah, it's like some definite seeds have been planted, especially with, you know, we're going to be getting into introducing Kang. In the next Ant-Man movie, we're going to see a lot more of him in Loki Season 2. So that definitely hints at, you know, a lot of multiverse, a lot of timey stuff. And then now with this... Definitely with.

The Doctor Strange wrap-up there. Like, we definitely know we're going that way. But now having this girl who basically is Eternity in a human form. So it's like, okay. It's like, this could go pear-shaped real quick.

Because now you've got this child... With this boundless ability who has yet to tap into that. And what happens when somebody who knows this starts toying with that? And maybe wants to manipulate reality itself and then maybe screws things up. They left it?

Yeah. Because we don't know anything, it could go either way. It could just be she's got a minimal amount of powers and she just takes over for Thor. Maybe. She's the new Thor.

Or she is the eternal powers of the universe. and she's the next thing that's going to, good or bad, she could save us from whatever the next thing is. Or she could be the next thing. Yeah, she could be. She could be the evil that's coming. She could be the bullet.

Yeah, so that's the thing. They've left that door wide open. Uh, but it's interesting though, that basically that Hemsworth got to cast his little girl in that role. It's like, well, they had great chemistry in the scene they were together. So, I mean, if she's going to be your daughter, yeah, I mean, you can play dad to her pretty good.

I would assume. I mean, at least you can probably rely on her to show up a little bit. Cause like, well, I'm giving you a ride to the set. You don't know where she is. You don't have to find some other up and coming actress that'll change her mind.

And like, I don't even want to do movies anymore. It's in her blood. Like, The whole family does it. Why not? I know.

But, yeah, I've said this before, but I'm really, once we get into, like, whatever the next big event thing is coming up and our, you know, whatever our next buildup to that is, going back and looking at the early stages of this particular phase is going to be fun for fans because, like, oh, this movie was important because that's where that came from, or this was important because that's where that came from. So in another five years, a lot of this shit's going to make sense to us, and we're going to go back and appreciate movies or series that maybe we passed on initially. I'm still saying Eternals is going to turn out to be a hell of a lot more important than we actually thought it was once we get further down the pike.

Good luck making me care. I might enjoy the thing that comes later. I don't really want to go back and watch them. Yeah, but there's definitely going to be some moments throughout some of these more recent series and movies that people are like, oh, they were telling us this then. Because we can do that now going back looking at those initial MCU movies that led us up to Avengers and then eventually led us up to Infinity War and Endgame.

You can go back and look through all this like, oh, that's where we met this person. That's where this thing happened here. That's where this happened here. So they leave you the road map. But you just don't know how to read it until once you've already got to the place you're at.

Yeah, you don't know where you're going to be able to even make use of it. Yeah, so they're doing the same thing with us here. But, yeah, they're just taking a little more time because, like, well, okay, we were able to build a nice world for you in a short period of time. But then now we've got to replace a lot of stuff and tell some more stories. So it's going to take us a little longer to get there.

But don't worry. It's going to be worth it. I at least want to mention, we've definitely mentioned the character, but I love Tessa Thompson so much. Yeah. She is so great in everything I've seen her in, but like, I was just enjoying, well, she's hilarious in the first moon, just watching her being a drunk off her ass.

Most of the movie. Yeah. And like, now that she's like them since end game became like a, not only a productive member of society, but she's running the society and then getting her watch, you get to be a bad-ass again in this movie too. Like, I don't know. I was just really enjoying her being there for it.

Because I think just the two of them would have been weird and awkward as much as it is anyway. But having her there as that third wheel and Korg, it really does just kind of give us a fun little group there that also just nobody... They're all kind of doing different things and not really on the same page emotionally. Yeah. Nobody knows what the...

She's just there because she thinks it's funny more than anybody else. Yeah. Like, everybody else kind of does their own thing, but she's just sort of watching the whole time going, what's going on with this? Well, and this thing is that, you know, basically, being king is boring. Yeah.

It's real boring. Especially, like, modern era king. Like, I'm sure in the old days, you just, again, got drunk and screwed around and did whatever the hell you wanted, but in the real world, much like our royalty in other countries... You don't do anything, really. You're just there as a figurehead.

You have meetings. You have meetings. You sign things. You try to make everybody happy, and you can't. So, yeah, it sucks.

It's a bunch of shit, really. And, of course, a couple of my female friends have pointed this out. It's kind of fun. They're basically like, we very easily settled into King Valkyrie pre, and we didn't have a lot of pushback with that. No.

There was not a lot of that. He was like, okay, King Valkyrie, cool, okay. So there's some ladies out there. There's some gender fluid people out there going, little one for us there. Thank you very much.

I was just like, so they're going with King. All right. I was just like, she's running things either way. You can call yourself whatever you want. Yeah.

Yep. She's King. She's awesome. Everybody's cool. Yeah.

I always like her. Yeah. She was so much fun in this. She really was. Yeah.

She definitely got to, you know, you know, It wasn't so much a focal point for her, but she definitely got to have a little more fun. Yeah, she's just there almost for that reason. Just because it's fun to have her in the mix and have a group again. It's good when you have your little... Everybody loves Korg, so you know you're going to go with that.

But yeah, having her in the mix too, it gives us a nice little group to hang out with for the movie. And I like too that there's... Of course, there's obviously the Asgardians love Thor because he's their boy. He's Thor. And they love Jane coming in as Thor, too, so they kind of got to love her pretty quickly, too.

But there was no ever disrespect for Valkyrie ever in the film. Yeah. There was never any disrespect for her position. There was never any Thor trying to take it from her. Yeah, he gladly gave it to her, more than she even wanted it initially.

And he still does not want it. Yeah, yeah. And she's good at it. Whether she likes doing it or not, she's flourished at creating this whole new town and this whole new group of people. Yeah, I like that in the other one, that he's falling apart and he's a mess, and she's like, I'm running out of time.

I don't have time for your nonsense. And I'm kind of getting my stuff together. I'm not a sad drunk anymore. Yeah, I've actually got a life now and you're becoming the sad drunk. Yeah.

But yeah, it's interesting they're doing that in the films right now because there's been a couple of times where Thor has basically taken his rightful place as the son of Odin and eventually the ruler of Asgard. They did one storyline where basically Thor takes the throne and they kind of jump forward in the future and yeah, things weren't PG basically the two times that Thor has essentially been on the throne of Asgard currently is now things haven't gone well the first time is basically because he kind of went a little nuts and And then the current time is basically he's essentially overcompensating because he feels like, okay, dad ran things this way and we had a lot of problems. So I'm going to do things this way.

And he ends up becoming almost more cruel than his dad ever was at his worst. In his early days with the firstborn, which I did notice that going in. And I wondered, or going back, rewatching the Bridenrock, we don't see Hela. I mean, the whole planet blows up, but in Marvel tradition, if you don't see the body, expect them to pop up again. And she's also the goddess of death?

Yeah, I mean, there's so many ways that she could just sell. I kind of wondered, like, somewhere down the line, are we bringing her back? Of course we could. Because I loved her as a villain. Like, she is, again, when I watched it this time, doesn't have a ton of screen time, but is so amazing every time she's on screen.

Like, she is old school Disney villain. Like, there's no, like, even this one, like, we're supposed to feel bad for him and his kid. And by the end, we're like, yeah, we want him to. Like, there's none of that with Hela. Like, she is just, just horrible Disney villain.

She is there to be a badass and look cool and just glad to do it and has no motivation other than her own interests. And, like, she likes killing people. Like, there's no redeeming qualities with her. She is just villain. So, yeah, she was fun.

I wouldn't mind seeing her come back. Me too. And that's on brand with Hela. There's been a couple times where Hela has had to help out and she's done so reluctantly. But yeah, 95% of the time Hela's a bitch and is causing problems either directly or indirectly.

My personal favorite was they did a Ragnarok storyline about maybe 10-15 years ago where they did kill off all the gods and then Thor was able to come back kind of resurrect himself because when he died, he had the Odin power. So later on, they decided to bring him back. And when they do, all the other gods had basically reincarnated, but they were not themselves. So he had to go and essentially kind of wake them back up. Well, when he gets to Loki, Loki's a woman.

And it's like, that's kind of weird. He doesn't recognize her initially, but there's something familiar about Loki's appearance that he doesn't quite pick. So Loki comes back and you're, you know, Loki's doing her usual Loki stuff. But then you're kind of finding into the mess. You're kind of getting further and further into the mystery that basically Loki took Sif's body and Sif is trapped in the body of a woman who's like dying of like, she's like an elderly woman, like dying of some kind of terminal cancer.

So she has like days to live and Sif's soul is trapped in this woman's body. Whereas he's running around and basically the Sif's skin suit is with loki underneath and basically hella is in cahoots with loki over this so he's basically like she's kind of keeping this link together whereas like loki can inhabit this body even though he doesn't belong and she's got his body handheld like an on ice kind of keeping it safe and when thor finds out there's a bit of reckoning but yeah but for a while loki runs around with boobs i can. See Loki getting hooked up with her pretty easily yeah that is his brand. Yeah but yeah so that's a fun storyline but yeah definitely for Hela but yeah. I just thought that as I watched that one I was like I was enjoying her so much I was like oh it's a shame we killed her off and then I watched it at the end and I was like did we?

And once again, she's a mystical, super. Empowered, whatever. So you can always loophole your way out of that. Even if you saw the body, let alone, we didn't even see the body. So just a big explosion, whatever.

Well, the same with, you know, searcher, the fire demon, we can easily bring him back to, uh, because basically he's a, he's from, uh, was it, uh, Nussballheim is where all the fire, uh, giants are from. So basically it's there. Basically it's all, it's not a hellscape, but it's basically like everybody lives in a lot, you know, a volcano kind of shit. Yeah. So, So, I mean, very easily, Surtur could come back.

I mean, but again, how could you kill the goddess of death? It does seem like it would be difficult. Yeah. I don't care if a planet falls down on you. You know, Wanda's not dead either.

Yeah, like I said, there's always a little way to get around this. As we've seen many times in this series. Thanos, very dead. Still could probably bring him back from, I mean, it's comic books. I mean, we did.

The first thing that happened in Endgame, we killed him. And yet, who's the villain at the end of the movie? Thanos. So, there's always a loophole. Because we brought back past Thanos.

There's always a way. There's always a way. But yeah, so, but I'm still convinced that where we're heading towards is the Secret Wars or basically we're, you know, because we, like I said, we talk about incursions and Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness. It's like, that's the big tell word right there. So it's like, So it's going to be a much different version of what we saw in the comics.

But nonetheless, we're going to see the multiverse basically being destroyed, Earth being last left on the block. And to save ourselves, we pieced together this weird patchwork of the multiverse into one planet. So I think we're going to get a lot more crazy fan service of cameos and crossovers and guest appearances by things we never thought we'd see. Yeah. I'm almost thoroughly convinced that whether or not he's going to be joining the MCU in the role, we will probably see Hugh Jackman as Wolverine at least once before the end of this particular phase.

He'll come back for that version. He'll do a cameo. He'll do a cameo. He doesn't care. He doesn't want to do it full time, but he's also in his mid-50s.

He doesn't need to be doing it all. He still could, though. I'm sure he could. That dude's a family youth right now. The Broadway.

He does. But there's been some interesting fan casting. Like, of course, Taron Egerton is the highest one I've seen the most of being fans who want to cast him as Wolverine. Not mad at that whatsoever. And a new one I've seen pop up, and though we're getting into he's almost getting too old for it, but still would be fantastic, is Carl Urban.

I mean, we just had him, though. We killed him off in Ragnarok. Yeah, but he was a small role. But if you get, I mean, you know. Because I thought that at the time, I was like, so this is all he's doing?

It does seem like we would bring him in for a bigger role. But, yeah, it does seem like he would probably age out pretty quick. Since they keep casting younger and younger for everybody now. A whole new way of his kids. And, you know, the fact that basically Wolverine has an accent.

You know, his accent's kind of all over the place because, like, He spent some time in Australia, the Outback. Then he's also spent a lot of time in Canada. When you've been around that long, your accent's got to either go away or just become a big muddled mess. Yeah, and so his accent's a big muddled mess. Of course, traditionally, sometimes he's done with no accent, just kind of a tough guy voice.

Sometimes he's been done with a full-on Aussie accent, even though he's been more traditionally Canadian, but nonetheless. Except the animated, because I think all the voice actors were Canadian. Well, there's a lot of boots going on in the anime. Well, that's the funny thing is that the 90s one that, yeah, they, you know, he was more Canadian and had some stuff there. But if you go back to the old Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.

Oh, yeah, that's a whole different thing. But, yeah, that 90s one that everybody loved, it was like, I remember people lately been making fun of that. They're like, man, you can hear the Canada in those voices. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, the X-Men episode of Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, which you can currently watch right now on Disney +. is hilarious because it's like, Cronky, I'm Wolverine.

I got my big old claws here, you bum. You're sneaky, sneaky. You know, it's like, oh, shit. Oh, well. I mean, even back then, I'm like, dude, he doesn't fucking talk like that.

I remember when Wolverine was cool. Never mind. You've ruined it all. I was just like, I was like a little kid. I'm like, oh, cool.

The X-Men are going to be in this episode. That's neat. Wait. That's not boring. Okay.

All right. All right. Whatever. Yeah. So, yeah.

Like I said, this was definitely a fun movie. I would certainly say it's a great companion piece to Ragnarok. Ragnarok's the heavier of the two, obviously. And yet the more fun of the two. I mean, I enjoy this one, and I like aspects of it.

But overall, between the two, again, having just gone back again and rewatched it, I would probably want to go back and rewatch Ragnarok. I do want to revisit this one somewhere down the line. But as of now, and again, that changes over time. So maybe I'll get more attached to this one. But I don't know.

It was a little more cold overall for me. Yeah. Like I said, it definitely didn't have kind of a big ramification sort of thing. it definitely felt short. I mean, like, it feels short, too. You know, so it's like, there were some elements I could have used some more of.

Like I said, you know, Gore is such an interesting villain, and he doesn't have a long lifespan. No. But he did have a big impact because of kind of the elements he introduces to Thor, essentially. Like, basically, he Before Thor... Actually, well, Thor losing his worthiness happens, and then Gorr kind of shows up almost right on top of that.

Yeah. And so Thor was having some very existential crisis about being a god, and so Gorr showing up did not help things whatsoever. Because this is a guy who basically is, like, you know, is extremely angry at these deities, and they got some of that, but I could have dealt with more anger out of him. Because that's the thing. Essentially, what it was, the anger was there, and then the sword... exacerbates it to the point of rage.

You know, so... But also at the same time, the sword kind of... You know, very much like, you know, when... At Star Wars, when somebody becomes a Sith Lord and they get their dark side powers, it saps their life force and is killing them slowly. That's what the Necrosword's also doing.

Which definitely, like, he plays on the creepy aspect of it as it goes on. It is weird watching them fight, like, physically. Because... as much as Bale at one point in time was pretty ripped, like his arms are still okay, but otherwise this character is pretty skinny. So watching him wrestle around with Thor, who is humongous, I was like, what is this? What are his evil powers again?

Cause I don't know. It just seems like if they're doing more physical fighting, it would, you would want them to look like they were a little more evenly matched, but. Well, I was thinking too is that, um, I kind of wish they would have, they kind of cheated us a little bit with Gore's appearance. Yeah. Because in the comics, Gore, kind of like Voldemort, does not have a nose.

It's flat. Yeah. And then kind of like a Twi'lek from Star Wars, he's got like these like tentacle things that are part of his head that kind of look like resemble hair. You know, he's got like two of them that kind of come out. So it kind of resembles hair somewhat, but basically they're just like these two big tentacles.

And they don't, They're just there. They don't move or do anything else. He's just essentially two hands. That's it. But it's just part of his look to make him look very alien.

But he looks very small and scrawny when he's just a lowly worshiper. And then when he takes the Necrosword and, again, very much is courting him and seduces him and says, hey, you're mad at this shit. I can help you take care of that. You pick me up and you and me can have some fun, buddy. And when he gets the Necro sword, it beefs him up.

But he still... Power up. Yeah, he gets a power up. So, like I said, they want to emphasize the fact that, yes, as soon as he picks up the sword, his appearance changes. Yeah, because we don't...

He looks, again, like, because we've had so much magic, he looks more of a magic user. He needs, like, a staff and be doing magic from far away. Yeah, I get it, yeah. Versus a hand-to-hand combat with some sword action. He...

Maybe I'm just going back to my sword and sandal roots, but I expect him to be a big, beefy guy wielding his sword, and he'd just look like a little skinny guy dressed like a monk. And that's essentially kind of what he was. The nice thing is that once the sword was gone, that's it. No more gore. He was it.

Yeah, so the sword was 100% the source of his abilities, and once you get it out of his hands and destroy it and whatever else, he ain't got shit. And so he's back to being a lowly, you know, worshipping dude. So there you go. But there were some nice little things about his transformation that you kind of notice a little more when you look at it. Basically, of course, he had all these tattoos and stuff and these lines all over him when he was normal.

And then once he becomes gore, you notice that there's scars all over him. Yeah. those tattoos off him. He gets worse and worse every time we revisit him. Yeah, he may have scarred himself to carve those tattoos off him. So if you kind of look at him and kind of like there's, you know, little more details, noticing that it tells more of a story.

I think that's the thing. He's got so much potential, I kind of wanted more from him. Yeah, I agree with you. It's a quick wrap-up, and yeah, we didn't get much of a build-up, we didn't get much of a payoff. It was just sort of, he's a cool idea, and then they wrap up the movie.

Yeah, but it's kind of interesting, though, they do start... You were kind of right, they kind of lose their way with him a bit, because we start the movie off a cold open of, you get his origin story, how he gets to this point, and then... He kills a god, and all of a sudden, boom! Now we're going into our Marvel title transit. We gotta chase him down and get this guy.

So it's like, oh, okay. We don't spend much time with him for most of the movie. Yeah, and the stealing the children sort of thing was like... That wasn't part of... Basically, what Gore essentially is doing is...

He's going around killing all these gods and building up power... And once he's done that, he's creating this device he calls the God Bomb, which basically in one fell swoop kills everything. And so that's basically what his whole plot is. So it's like he's basically trying to make it so. So the whole stealing the kids and going to eternity to make a wish stuff, it's like, okay.

What was the plan with the kids? Was it just to be a jerk? Yeah, because I was like, why do you want a bunch of kids hanging around? It's 100% allure. To get Thor and Stormbreaker to the Shadow Realm, he had to get him there in some way, shape, or form because he needed the axe to open up the portal to get to Eternity.

So the whole thing of stealing kids was just to bring him there. So it's like, yeah, it's like they really had to kind of truncate Gore's story and change a lot of things and change some stuff about Thor's story of losing the hammer and Jane having it and Jane's cancer. So they managed to pack a lot in. The one thing I will definitely give credit for Marvel is the economic writing they have. Oh yeah.

And I never have a problem with the changes. I know a lot of readers get way more frustrated with that and i'm just like if you're making because again you're not retelling the comic if you want the comic it's already there go read it so we're doing something different so if you need to do something different to tell your story go ahead and change it if you're doing it in a good way but that's not always the case usually with marvel it is but yeah. Yes i i agree that yeah so you're you're not telling the exact same story you're That was told in the comics. So, yeah, there are going to be a lot of changes. There's sometimes like, okay, well, I could have done a little bit more with this, or they could have elaborated a bit more on this point here.

Even though you weren't telling, you know, A, B, and C parts of this story, you still could have done a little bit more with that. But again, though, it's still a good sign that we still enjoy the movie coming away from it, and we're wanting more. Definitely interested to see what they do with the way they left it. Yeah, exactly. We've got some interesting points coming.

She-Hulk sticks out like a weird entry. Green thumb. Green thumb, basically. Because, of course, she's extremely powerful. And great with plants.

But, well, the thing is... God. But, you know, she's a much different person and handles her abilities far differently than Bruce. I mean, like, that's the thing, too. Bruce barely handles his abilities.

And at times doesn't. That's the weird thing, too, is that, you know, in the Eric Bana Hulk movie and in the Edward Norton Hulk movie, we definitely really hit home with the troubled... Bruce Banner, he has some problems and the Hulk thing that makes everything worse. We really haven't seen that kind of level of. Apathy, sadness, and tragedy with the Ruffalo performance.

Because he got thrown into Avengers. We're like, okay, we need a big Hulk dude. And he's been kind of like... We saw a little bit of Age of Ultron. I feel like there's a lot there.

We just don't know why. We don't have the real backstory of it. But I feel like he's been better at portraying how. He is with it. Like how much of a fight it was just to deal with it.

How hard it was to try to make peace with the fact that he stuck with this other entity in him. Yeah. Like I think his portrayals actually had more to it but we don't know where it came from really. Yeah. The story is the same.

It's essentially like because that's kind of the weird thing I kind of threw it through a loop. It's like the Ed Norton movie was our Hulk origin story. It's still canon technically. Yeah. I mean even though it's you know Because there's some weird rights things going on.

It's not on Disney +, so it's not with the rest of the movies. People sometimes forget that it's part of the MCU, but it is. But, because when you had the cast changeover of Ruffalo now, but it's still the same, that's still the same Bruce. Yeah, that's still the same Bruce. That's still that same story.

But, yeah, it's like we've had, like, you know, there's been a couple of really good elements. Like, you know, basically like in the first Avengers film when He's talking like he put a gun in his mouth and the big guy spit it out. That was there. In the old one. Yeah.

And, of course, we see in Ragnarok and in Infinity War and Endgame where there's the fight over the body. But there's actually a lot more turmoil going on and a lot more personas of the Hulk. No. Because there's basically versions of the Hulk that are very childlike and kind of like, oh, oops, sorry, I crashed that building. I didn't really mean to do that.

He's kind of like that in Ragnarok. But there's also a very sinister side to him as well. And a side that says, yeah, I crashed that building and I don't give a shit. As a matter of fact, I'm going to go do that building and that building. When you have that much power, why would you care?

That's the thing. There's the level of that power, but there's also the anger that's there because of Bruce's upbringing. Because what happens to him and basically how he is treated after he becomes the Hulk. So basically he's constantly being hunted because of just what he is. And so, yeah, so there's a lot of anger in there.

And so sometimes when that anger comes out in the Hulk, basically you get a hero turned villain. Yeah. And that's happened more than a few times in the comics. Of course, like the World War Hulk was a very famous one. The Immortal Hulk storyline that just ran, that finished a couple of years ago.

Holy shit. I mean, I thought that's how we got Planet Hulk was because they just, he was so much trouble. Yeah. They just sent him away. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

And then World War Hulk is basically him coming back going, okay. Hey guys, remember me? Yeah, so all y'all that sent me off to that planet and the planet got blown up, you want me to make a whole life there? Guess what? I did that.

Then the planet got blown up because you sent me on a shoddy spaceship. So all y'all line up, I'm going to kick every one of your asses. Oh, man. And then I just love it. At the end of the story, basically Hulk essentially just kind of gives up, turns the banner, says, all right, I'm done.

Y'all couldn't beat me. I'm done whipping your asses. I'm done with this shit. I'm going to take a siesta. That's just dropping the mic there.

It's like, wow, you couldn't beat the villain, so he beats himself. There you go. I would like to see a darker Hulk somewhere down the line. It's in there, and it's going to come out of him sooner or later. I just don't know what their plans are with that either.

If he still wants to keep doing it long term or not. We'll get more of kind of a hopefully more of a clue of what's been going on with Banner since we've seen him since Endgame and kind of what his future might be in the She-Hulk series maybe. I don't know. We'll see. Alright.

We're left with more questions. We'll see where all these open ended things come about I guess. Absolutely. Yes. Alright.

Well let's load up the Guns N' Roses and get the hell. Out You know, I love to where you're like, okay, let's count the hair metal one. And we pick one band. But then that's the thing. At first I was like, is this a weird deal that they made?

But then before we started, I was like, what is with that? Because I'm counting them off. I'm like, they're going through the hits, man. All the big ones are in there. Four songs.

And then I read the thing earlier. Mr. Watiti is just a big dorky fan. Yep. He's like, that's what I do.

I go home. I watch old Guns N' Roses videos. I think they're the coolest. As they got further in, the legal guys were like, you might want to talk with Axl about this first. And he was such a dork, he didn't want to talk to Axl.

So it is cool that I guess they got Slash to come in and do it. But yeah, I think at that point, they were just like, all right, play your album. You like the guys. But yeah, it's so cool. Some people are going to be like, oh, that's neat.

They kind of did like a rock and roll version of the Marvel theme. Like, no. There's a certain point where he hits a note when that's fucking Slash. That is Slash. That is a distinctive sound, sir.

I know you. One of the best guitarists in the world. Yeah. So it's like, oh. that's cool. I'm totally not surprised that he did it because he's also a big dork.

In the old days, he was drunk most of the time, but now when I saw him in that lull when the band wasn't doing much anymore and you hadn't seen him for a while and I saw him pop up on that decorating show, I was like, You have nothing else to do. You're watching decorating shows, aren't you? And then when I found out he bought a dinosaur, like a actual museum-quality dinosaur bones to put in his entryway, I'm like, you're the biggest dork ever. As if I didn't like you enough, Slash. He's such a geek.

I can see him totally wanting to be part of the MCU. Well, and this thing is that you see it wasn't doing much. The funny thing was, of course, he had a couple of solo albums like the Slash and Snake Pit kind of stuff. And the other band. But then he's had like four records with his Slash featuring Miles Kennedy and the Impersonators.

Basically, he's got Slash playing guitar and Miles Kennedy singing. And frankly... A lot of their stuff is better than Guns N' Roses. Yeah, I said it. Blasphemy.

But I'm sorry. There are some songs off those records that I'm like, dude, why are these not hits? They sound like Guns N' Roses except Miles Kennedy's voice buries Axl Rose. Yes. Said that too.

Bold statement. Said that too. Yeah. Axl, you're fine, dude. Great.

But Miles Kennedy, much better. Well, not that he wasn't doing anything. I just liked that he was dork enough that he was sitting home watching Trading Spaces. Oh, I know. I was just like, yeah, yeah, that's Slash.

That's where he is now. I know. Yeah, that's fun stuff. But I was at least glad that we worked in one other metal song that wasn't a Guns N' Roses song. But it's so perfectly suited to this.

It starts with lightning, and then the whole rest of the song is rainbows. Like, it's... It's so Asgard. Like, it's the perfect song. I mean, you know.

Since Immigrant Song, which we already... Which they already paid a fortune for last time, I'm sure. Yeah, but good old Ronnie James Dio, Rainbow in the Dark popped up there. And I'm pissed off that that got relegated to the end credits. I'm like...

Okay, we had four fucking Guns N' Roses songs throughout the movie that got featured in there. Why couldn't we have worked Rainbow in the Dark in there, like, just a little bit? I feel like that at least balances it out. These are the ones during the movie, and then in credits is usually its own thing anyway. So it's like he can have his own focus time, because you don't know if he's going anywhere in one of those movies anyway.

So they can sit there in the theater and listen to the entirety of Rainbow in the Dark. I was okay with that. I was fine with that, but I could have used it earlier in the movie as well, you know? You just listen to it in the car on the way to the theater. Yeah.

And it's also funny, too, that we basically, it took us four Thor movies to work Rainbow in the Dark. I know. That's why I was like, how is this not in the first movie? It's so perfect. We got Black Sabbath in the first Iron Man movie.

Somebody got the joke there. Somebody asleep at the wheel on this one. It's not Wakiti's fault. Yeah, I mean, of course, Immigrant Song basically is not necessarily about Thor and either is Rainbow in the Dark, but It, you know, has, you know, Viking sort of, you know, things. It's the Viking song, essentially.

Yeah. But, yeah, that's, gosh. Well, it's been quite a journey. It has been. Thank you for going on this journey with us, and thank you for joining me.

So. Absolutely. You have things going on you want to tell people? I do. Of course, if you want to talk more geek stuff, each week I do a show called Fanatic Form.

I'm on Facebook. I'm on YouTube, so look me up. I'm on Friday nights, 7 o'clock. I go live, so I always want people to interact and join the conversation. I usually talk about, like, you know, I got new comics to show off each week, but then whatever's going on.

There's something with the MCU, something Star Wars, wrestling, whatever kind of geek stuff. I don't care. We're pretty free-flowing, but it's a lot more of some more same geek talk. Definitely. Yeah, fun stuff.

Mm-hmm. I'm always welcoming of the geeks. We all have our own little world here. We have to work together. That's right.

Go see what he's got going on. And specifically, if you're there Friday nights, you can interact along the way. That's right. Yeah. I love people giving questions and comments and bringing their own takes on stuff when we're talking about.

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Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Later.

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