Haunted Iowa

Weird wed Hello everyone, and welcome to Scary Stories. We tell the podcast where well we talk about spooky, weird, thrue, crime stuff. It's just kind of a catch all. We're here to talk about weird stuff. On this episode, we're going to be talking about Haunted States one again.

But the voices you're going to be hearing are not the voices that had been covering this for the last almost four years. Now you're gonna hear two voices that are normally spending time talking about weird shit on YouTube, uh, primarily YouTube for the most part. That those two voices being Emma Hello and Dustin Hello and yeah. On this episode, the three of us are going to be talking about Haunted States, focusing primarily on well, Dustin's favorite state of all time. It's it's such a good and yet don't you can't they can't see you.

He's putting his thumbs down and gestures don't work right, not in this Mese. Can't we can't upset a whole state, Dustin, Dustin bite, But where I'm not going to I've never had a problem with the lovely state or people of Iowa. But hey, I also didn't grow up in Nebraska, and apparently anyone who grew up in Nebraska has a bone to pick with the state of Iowa. So I mean it's a football thing, right, dust and football all around sports. Yeah, and any time.

I mean too. I mean, here's the thing, Texas and Oklahoma, same thing, And it's neighboring states. It's neighboring states, right, Like not every state was Civil War, you know, not every reason to hate the state is like Kansas and Missouri because that is Civil War related. But yeah, I mean, look, I moved to Nebraska, so I have no nothing against Iowa, and Emma lives nowhere near Iowa. I'm so far roofed from this.

This is not my bit. I have no dog in this place. It looks so petty from over here. I mean to be fair, I mean to be fair. I mean, there is a state and city that borders where you live that I think has the same problem with you know, where you live for a similar reason, just because of proximity, right, Like how many jokes are made about where you live by people who live there to not give away where you live?

I mean not really people in the big city. They I mean, I overhear other people saying stuff to us, where we can afford a house, why would we hate this place? Now most people are moving out of the city. Yeah, and they're coming back here. Yeah.

Yeah, well there, I guess to be fair, we live in one of the two cities in the state that we live in that borders Iowa and Iowa. What Iowa only has, I mean, Iowa has some big cities, but similarly to the state that we live in, Dustin it only I mean, like the state only really has two big cities. Iowa has like Des Moines Davenport and like Cedar Rapids. And that's kind of it. Like it's it's not any bigger of a state than Nebraska.

I wouldn't say, right, And it's I think probably we get confused for Iowa just as much as they get confused for us, because again, no, no, no, I mean like for most people, if you live on one of the coasts, we are an unintelligible mass of states in the middle. Oh yeah. Absolutely asks me to pinpoint where you were on a map, I could not, right, And that's okay, Like that's not as the failing of the American education. Fair, But Iowa is the twenty sixth largest state in total area and the thirty first most populous out of fifty, so you know, batten in the lower half. So you know, again, like that's the thing about the Midwest is you know, some states have more people than others.

Really is what it feels like like. And on the states that we live in, it's like two cities and that's it, and like the rest is just rural and very rural and a lot of corn and a lot of flat and a lot of like in between here and Des Moines is literally like jack shit After o Maha, there's nothing. So and if you drive you have a question, what so with the list, I'm assuming the last on the list is Alaska. What's like the one after Alaska? Oh in populous?

Yeah? Uh so that's funny because Alaska is not not the last really, no, the last is again there are there are four beneath it, but these aren't our territories, I believe is what they're classified as, so not states. The last is actually Wyoming. Huh And that's I mean, that's not surprising, Dustin. You and I have friends that have that lived in Wyoming, right, yeah, And it's like I'm like half the population, yeah, is in like one of them and them two is half of four.

Uh so it's actually Wyoming. And then up in your neck of the woods, fifty first is Vermont, and then also up in your neck of the woods is District of Columbia, which I mean sure, sure, and then right everybody, you're fucking sure, and then forty nine is a last okay, then followed in our neck of the woods by North Dakota and South Dakota. So you know, four of these that have been mentioned are all like in the same spot or touching one another, and we live in a state that is also touching one of them with South Dakota, so because we share a pretty long, long length border with South Dakota. So but I definitely think that like as you get further back in the list, you know, when you have less people in an area, I think there tends to be creepier shit happening.

Well that's the thing. So yeah, like Emma just mentioned, we're talking about we've all brought to the table something and we're going to talk about those things, and then we'll talk about it the way we normally do this, which is we kind of tell the story and then we talk about it. That's the way we've done it before, because I'm technically the only one who's ever done one of these before, and I did these a lot with Jess, but Jess and I have not recorded in a while, not for any specific reason, just because, hey, things happen, and you know what, it's a new year, and some people are busy and some people aren't, and I'm not as busy as Jess, which means we can do one of these together. And hey, Iowa feels like a good choice because, again, like we've already mentioned, it's not a state that people necessarily have a lot of preconceived notions unless you live here, and then you know, I think that's also a good thing, because, like you mentioned, Emma, the range of things can be very different from the places that are again older America like the East Coast, or newer America like the West Coast.

So this is kind of an interesting middle ground as well. So so on that note, Emma, I'm gonna kick it to you first. What are you gonna tell us about Iowa that's less specific than this is the twenty first most populous state. Just rattling off bullshit information that actually doesn't matter. I think that could be an entertaining podcast to someone.

Yeah, that's like a TikTok video, Like tell me the five most populated states, bro go ugh, New York. I've seen. I don't know those, like I don't want to like drag it, but of those, you can guess it, you get twenty. But oh yeah, like, oh, tell me a song that starts with em oh, I got that one. Yeah like that, Money's just gonna go back on the table and you guys are gonna make more content.

That's all we're trying to do here. So Emma regale us with some stories of Iowa. Yeah, so what I want to talk about today is the Edinburgh Manor. I some ofled across this when I was looking up, so obviously I'm like, what are the most haunted places in Iowa? What are the creepiest locations?

So Edinburgh Manner. It was actually first built in eighteen fifty and it was considered quote unquote a poor farm, which is apparently very common around that time. And the idea behind a poor farm is that, you know, the less fortunate people would be provided with shelter and food in exchange for work and labor. The only issue is that it wasn't just you know, people that did not have money. A lot of other people got grouped into that as well, like disabled, elderly and also people with severe mental illness.

And so getting all of that, you know, in one location to work together for survival is I think an interesting uh setup. But yeah, uh oh during that time, there were over two hundred and thirty documented deaths on the property, and I think that is a really good setup for uh, like for a scary movie like that's uh. I can imagine like that being the synopsis. But Chris, you you've seen more scary movies than me. What would happen?

I mean, I mean, here's the thing already, like you're like, and then like almost three hundred people have died. It's like, what the fuck's going on? Already? Like you're already I well, like here's the thing, Like anything like this, I'm already like why how? How could?

I mean? It probably just comes down to poor management. And all the time though, it's like every time this we hear one of these kinds of stories, this is how it starts. Right, It's like, oh, they just weren't managing, and it's like, well, if we're not managing these places? What are are we managing?

Right? Like, I mean, I think it's safe to say that like a lot of them, since many people did come through already being ulterly or having mental illness, I think it's safe to say that. You know, for some people it could have just been old age. For some people it could have been unfortunately taking their own lives. And so I don't want to say that it's just you know, just poor management.

But you know, it's hard to say, like what the health conditions were. It's hard to say, like did fights breakout amongst people? But I think what was maybe the saddest part is that whoever didn't have family to be returned to, we're just buried on the property. Yikes. Right, So, with that lovely setup, the original building was then demolished and then replaced in nineteen ten, and then it opened in nineteen eleven as the end of Burke Banner, which was you want to get yes, like, oh what it became?

Yeah? What did they turn it into? Oh? I'm sure it's not so it is like a bed and breakfast. No, it's probably too big to be that, right, what do you think venue?

I mean, it's probably like a hotel. Right, try mental institution. Oh we get it, mental institution up on the Buck courstitution. Yeah, I read. Who would have guessed, right?

Obviously not you two, but I'll blame you so. Yeah. So the Edinburgh Manor opened in nineteen eleven as a mental institution and it was like that or a very long time. However, obviously due to not so safe conditions and some not so good practices. In the two thousands, the residents were moved from the property after it was deemed and this is a quote dangerous and not conducive to have disabled people live there.

And this was in the wind mid two thousands. It was in the two thousands that they were finally moved from this atrocious place. A hundred almost over one hundred years later, basically, yeah, oh my god boy. And I don't want to hear people say, oh, we take care of the mental health of this country. Oh yeah, do we?

I mean, at least not back then? I mean, and what about the other ninety fucking year Like, what about the other ninety fucking years? Yeah, I mean it's hard to explain away when it's like and then in the mid two thousands, like that was like fifteen years ago. I mean, first things First, is like if I had learned that, like the mental institution I was going to used to be a poor farm where two hundred plus people have already died and eighty of them were buried on the property, I don't know. I don't think that that's great for my mental health.

Yeah, I mean, I mean it can't be. But it's not worse worse to having disabled people. I that's the thing. I love that it was called the blatantlyn dangerous and so it just makes me wonder like how like it doesn't really go into like what ways was it dangerous? But I'm assuming structurally unsound.

Well that's just fucking insane. Like again, if you get because if you sit here and think to yourself, all right, the idea here is to provide a place for these people to be. And I'm saying these people as in like you couldn't just treat it at home, because again, like this has not necessarily shown to be a thing that works clearly for a number of reasons, one of them being because the system was never in place to actually just hate all the mental health people and put them somewhere else and then let's also forget to take care of them while they're there, Like what is going on? But it's again, it's like the thing is, I'm not getting mad about this because like this is the only one that's It's like, this is just one in a long list of, if not all of these sanitariums, sanatoriums, any of these kinds of places, because for the most part, the story is the same.

We made this place for all these people to go, and then we stuck them there and forgot about it. What in the only l we think is gonna happen in these places, like a lot of institutional abuse and then people fucking dying and being buried in fucking nameless graves, and then what happens there? Well, if you believe like we do, they're probably haunted as fuck, right, that's what happens. Next. You wanted me to answer, there's your answer.

Now you're gonna tell us this is a haunted fucking place, guy, Well, I actually there there was one other thing. What do you think they wanted to then turn it into after all of the disabled people, all the mentally ill removed to someplace hopefully significantly better, we knowing this system, it was probably marginally better. Uh, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and be a real piece of shit, because it would strike me that the people who are doing this are probably real pieces of shit. Like a fucking retirement hols. That would have been hilarious in the worst way.

Uh, they so hilarious in the worst possible way. No. Uh, turns out that there were plans to potentially they were like talking this through, like, oh, what can we turn this into? You want to know, Chris, you were so close. You should have said it later Bed and Breakfast.

Oh boy, yeah, but here you want to know why they didn't. But you want to know why they did it Not because of the horrible history of the place. No, Uh, it's because the cost would have been too high to repair it, because the building was just straight up unsafe, Like you could not it was unlivable to get it up to code. You mean to get it up. You would have cost too much money to get it up to code in order for it to be about in breakfast.

Them's is good business people, right there. So what's really funny though, And like, here's the funny thing about this entire situation, Like, can I just say low key that if a bed and breakfast is haunted, I'm way more interested in going there. Oh like hey, like that's the thing, Like can we just like take a pause here, because it being a bed and breakfast makes the most sense because like the best kinds of these places are like this is a haunted bed and break Oh yeah, it's a gimmick. It's part of floor. Yeah, this ghost is you know, shaking your fucking bed at night or some shit like there for the thrills.

There to test your bravery. I went to an airbnb in northern Missouri. The woman who owns it is really nice. If anyone wants to go there, DM me, I'll tell you the place because it's fun. It's like it's like in like an old like farmhouse where like the like the people used to like take care of the farm where and they like redid it into this like cute little airbnb that three people can stay at.

But it's haunted where like it's fucking haunted. And she's like, I don't tell people that because and it's like I don't tell people that because some people want to know and some people don't. And it's like that's why I won't say where it is. It's just in Missouri somewhere, because I don't want someone to be like, well is it this, this, and this? But that's the thing like it for me is a benefit for it to be haunted.

But at the same time, you know people out there, like I won't stay at a haunted place as well. I don't know if I would seek it out? Would you not stay there if someone was like, and it's haunted, I it would have to be like a really like beautiful place that like nothing like malicious has been documented as well, Like the only way that I can could be the first Yeah, thanks, I mean you could. I mean, I'm just saying theoretically anything as possible. True.

I definitely I would not go alone, That's for sure. Maybe with like if a bunch of friends wanted to, But like, I don't think I'd be able to sleep very well. I'd be paranoid the whole night. I'd be like, did I see something out of the corner of my eye? I can't turn off that part of my brain and I can't.

I'm not good at just like vibe being with the idea of potentially like having something in the room with me while I'm vulnerable in a sleep. That's fair. So I very much applaud people who do you know, the paranormal investigations and they go to places like this because that to me, like and I've said this, I've said this on the podcast before, but like I am so on the fence when it comes to like this type of stuff because I've never had these experiences. But that being said, just because I can be skeptical does not mean that I'm not scared shitless regardless, like I have those things that have happened to me are you know. That's the thing though, is like you don't have to believe it fully for the concept of it to still be terrifying and for it to fuck with you.

And also to be fair, it doesn't care if you believe. Oh yeah, right, Like that's the other thing, like if and that's the thing, like people who don't believe, that's fine, but if it exists, it doesn't I mean, like you could say the same thing about God or what you creation or whatever, Like God doesn't give a shit if you don't believe, because God exists either way. Like, and that is the way I look at all of these things, Like you know, a lot of these things don't give a shit if you don't believe. And to be fair, some of the people that don't believe are the ones who get fucked by these things the worst because I know, but I not like that. But to be fair, like, because I know, Dustin, you're like you are a lot more of a skeptic than Emma and I, and like we've had that just if you want, if you want proof, go listen to the discussion you and I did many moons ago.

But like, I also appreciate that you are a skeptic. I know you're willing to be a skeptic. Unironically, you're not just doing it just because, right, we are on like the full spectrum here. I love that. I would I would like to stay in places like that because mainly just to see what the you know, the gimmick they're selling is.

But I sleep like a baby, right, But I'd be fine, right, I know you would. Right, But then that's the thing, like if nothing happened, It's like, if nothing were to happen, like, how would that make you feel? Would that be like, well, there's one more check in that box or is it like you'd be disappointed? Me? No, I was saying, well, I mean, yeah, sure, but like Dustin, but dust Dustin's a skeptic.

Is a skeptic disappointed if they go somewhere haunted and nothing happened. I wouldn't expect anything to happen. That's why I feel like I can't be disappointed. I feel like a very small part of you would have been like, man, that could have been cool. I mean, yeah, something right, Okay, something totally blew me away.

It would be that would be cool to be like, oh wow, I mean it's probably and I'm not saying this to be difficult, but if anything did happen, it'd probably be something orchestrated by the people. Wow, I'm not saying this would be difficult. But but here's the thing though, And I was thinking about this, Dustin, because I knew that given the three of us broaching this topic tonight, because not saying surreal tube doesn't, but like surreal Tube calls for a very different thing. And like this is like some of this is like because I know what dust Is going to talk about. And it's not that it's not this, but like, it isn't this, it's a it's a different kind of this.

I think the only thing realistically that would make you a believer, Dustin. And I'm just spitballing here, so tell me how wrong I am. It would have to be something immensely and deeply personal, like not something where you like, go to a fucking place that's already haunted and something happens there. And I'm not saying that something happening there wouldn't be something that would like make you go like whoa che and like some of the people I know that do this professionally, that's what happened to them. But I think for you, someone like yourself, like again, someone would consider a very close friend like I do, Emma, like, it would have to be something immensely a deeply personal where you would have to be like incontrovertible in your mind that this is someone important to me reaching out from the other side.

Actually, I would have to rattle me to my core right, which would have to be something like deeply personal. Yep, So like at like and and like again, like we're all adults right now at various stages in our lives, having had various stages of grief. Things happened to us, both friends passing away, family members and like, I haven't ever had a deeply personal thing happen to me. I'm already, I already am. I consider myself a believe, not a skeptic, but a believer with a healthy dose dose of skepticism, because I think that's the right way to do it me personally, is to not believe everybody.

But I mean, again, you can't not believe somebody. But like, I've never had any of these None of these things that ever happened to me have been personal. They've just been like a weird noise or a thing. And like, because Emma, you and I have been podcasting together since a lot of these things have happened like and they've been like and this, you know, they a couple things happened before, but a lot of the things have happened since I've been doing this show. But they're not like, I don't know, it's not like I felt my grandfather reach out to me.

It's all like very just like a weird thing. I can't explain that. I that I could explain every other one of these things, but this one. And like I, like I said, I'm a believer in this stuff, but at the same time, I'm kind of like yourself, Dustin. Like, if I get to the end of my life and nothing like this has ever happened, I might be like, well, I'm kind of disappointed, because, like, the thing that would really make me a real like cement it permanently, would be something happening that's like deeply personal to me.

And I'm not wanting that to happen by any stretch of the imagination, because that would mean that someone in my life is no longer there is passed away or something. Because again, like I believe that the emotional charge nature. I mean, like the reason this fucking place is haunted, right, Emma, Like why is this place haunted is because it's an emotionally charged place where people were dying, as like, and that's what I believe a moment like that would necessitate, would be like something like that happening. And I don't want that to happen to anybody in my life right now. So I'm okay with those things not happening.

And it's just it being so weird. Ass thing that I see out of the corner of my eye is a lot more exciting than I felt. My friend who just died come into my bedroom and sit at the end of my bed and tell me that they love me, like I don't want that because I know what that means in relation to the thing happening. So that's all I'm saying. But I'm just I think we're at the healthy scale, you know, Yeah, I think we all we have we have dusted on the skepticism side.

We have you on the I've definitely had like the weird experience as side, And there's like me in the middle where I'm like, I've been exploring spirituality, but I've never had an experience like that. I've had a lot of serendipitous moments that I think are I think what a lot of other people that our skeptics would refer to as coincidences in terms of like life events and potential signs, but like not anything ever particularly ghost related. I see it much more as as a as a being connected to the universe. So, Dustin, I haven't done a tarot reading for you, have I? Oh boy, oh god, oh no, dude, do you know you know?

Do you know this story about Emma with the tarot card readings? I've heard, I've heard about topic. I mean, but that's the thing we have never done an episode like this, the Three of Us. It's true. So now it's all coming out.

I mean, and that's the funny thing to your point, Like you heard the stories about how of a host of this show got a tarot reading and then all of a sudden they weren't a host for this show for a while. Yeah, it's a wild story. It's sometimes Taro tells you what you need to hear, not necessarily what you want to hear, and it's a great mirror for self reflection. But I thoroughly enjoyed like the intuiting process. If we have time, and if you want not necessarily on the podcast where we could tonight, Oh god, you don't want it on the podcast.

You might want it, but you don't want it on the podcast. I made the mistake of having it on the podcast for all the world. I love Arthur read for me on the podcast at least like three times. I know. But but yeah, but you are also still you don't forget.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna say I to Emma, who knows that's the problem with per I pull the card and it actually just like reveals like your deepest, most embarrassing secret. It's like, oh no, it's the deep embarrassing secret card. Yeah, that's fair. But I mean again to your point, we are all on a very good scale with one another in terms of the belief system. And that's the thing, Dustin, I think before we go any further, just to clarify for the audience, because again Emma and I had done these episodes before, but given that again you would have to go back and find the episode of you and I talking to hear it quick rundown on your personal belief scale in terms of like paranormal Yeah, and I mean paranormal spiritual religion.

Uh, it's kind of see it all like wrapped into that one. I mean for me, it's all stories of entertainment or comfort or whatever. That's that's really it, all of it. Yeah, I mean that's fair. We're we're just we're just another species on the planet, Chris, justin, Dustin, this is the way a cult starts, you know that.

I guess someone's gonna be like, I really like this guy's message. Where can I like listen? I mean you do. I mean, if you grew your hair out, it kind of christ like, Oh I could see it. I would follow you more than I would follow somebody from three thousand years ago.

I mean, I'm not saying, like, give me some flavoring and I won't make sure it's not poisoned. But but but I might not check it immediately, not poisoned, just tequila. Yeah, okay, fair, But that's the thing. I mean, to your point, like, in a lot of ways, like I agree with you, I mean, I agree with the idea of like this is all just in a lot of ways, like we're just another fuck and like you said, we're just another fucking species looking for a way to explain things. We ye Unlike a lot of the other all of them, we have a language that we understand and that has allowed us to craft stories.

But I mean, I'm not going to sit here and say that animals don't have that because we don't know what we don't know, but there's more than zero percent chance that they have their own similar ideas about things. So you know, it's again, we're the only species that is self aware enough to know that we know we're asking questions about ourselves. But you know that has led us down some very dark fucking roads as a species. Yeah, But I mean, to your point, Emma, like I think it's I think it's healthy to have three very complimentary spaces of attack doing something like this, because like you want three people saying the same shit. No.

But like, I think what makes this work is that, regardless of what we all believe ourselves, we're also all open minded. Like, you know, does it if something were to happen to you like that, you know you could not explain. I don't think you would just outright deny that it ever happened. You would probably still not know what to think of it, but you would be open minded to the possibility of it maybe being something that you could not explain with science. I could accept the fact that something couldn't be explained at that point in time, but I would Emma, no, Dustin is Like, what I'm saying is is that would you entertain the idea for a second if you ran through all the scenarios just based off the amount of knowledge that you had in that moment, if something happened that you could not explain away with science or psychology or whatever, would you then say, maybe it was maybe something spiritual.

I feel like you wouldn't be the clause. But I don't know. I don't know if I've asked him this question. I've asked him this question before. Emma.

Well, and I'm really curious. He's a truth Dusted is a true skeptic. Like the closest thing I could ever accept to something like from the beyond is alien life, not little green men. But universe is a big place. Sure someone even consider that like paranormal though, so like Little Green Mags, I just wanted to get a laugh other than New York Little Green Mags, but la a little green man.

Uh. But here's the thing though, because like that's that's why I said the thing about it being deeply personal, Emma, because like that's I like, that's how deep I think Dustin is. Like that's like how seated. Yeah, like but that's like what I mean, like that is but that thing like for I think to say that for you is one thing, But I think for anybody, right, like anybody, if that happened to anyone, I think anyone would have a hard time overlooking it and being like that's something else. But like that's the thing.

It would have to be deeply personal to where it's like there's no way you would have to be in like a room by yourself and like nothing else, like nobody knows anything, Like it wouldn't be like a fucking medium or something, because they could know. I'd have to have some sort of like obi Wan apparition right that looks like my grandpa, And I'd be like, oh, got me right, And that's the thing. So but question then, Dustin, if I do a reading for you and I tell you something that otherwise I would not have known, how are you going to feel about that? Are you going to think that like Chris like texted a city or something. No, I would never feel.

Uh. So I've had a palm reading before. Uh, And so that's my only experience with that. But the person spoken generalities that could be true for anybody, sure, like you have family, Yes, I do. I handle it, you know, and they just start wow, dude, whit to throw all those palm readers right into the same bust again.

It's almost like playing twenty questions right would be fair? Palm reading is in it of itself like a methodology. It's cold reading. It's like the specific I don't know much about palm reading, but what I do know is like there are specific lines. Those lines are all labeled and so like you can see those lines on your hand, like you could google, like what does what are these lines?

And what does it mean when they look like this? And there are set answers and so because it's not like they're just looking at your hand and gazing into your past or your future, like they're literally looking at what your hand looks like, and it basically going off of the list in their mind of what these well known symbols in palm reading allude to. So it's less of like the oh, you know, it could be general could read anything like there was there's like one specifically that relates to like how many children you are going to have, and like there's people that are like I'm asexual and I never want to have kids, and a reader just told me I'm going to have five kids, and it's like, well, that's what your hand looks like.

That's all it means is that that's what your hand looks like. So I don't know how I feel about palm reading specifically, because again, you know, when you have a methodology like that, and people can like prove certain things to not be true just by saying like you know, oh, well, I'm past the age that I can have children and I only had to you said I was gonna have seven. But like I, there are ways to disprove that. But I do think that there are other means of divination that are less focused on a methodology like that and more focused on intuitiveness and being able to into it. And I mean, we can talk about this later because we got to give back to what we were originally talking about.

But being able to into it. I mean it's for me personally, and maybe it's different for other people. But when I pull a card and I know the symbols of the card or read the description of a card, I think for a moment and then I kind of just word vomit and whatever comes to mind. I don't really go based off of like some what I know about a person. I sort of just say what comes to mind, and I word vomit for as long as words want to vomit, And then I go, did any of that make sense?

Well? How much taro is power suggestion? That's a great question. Absolutely. I sreeak these things to somebody.

Yeah, and then people, you know, they might walk away and be like, yeah, yeah, power positive, that's going to happen. Yeah, I like that's manifestation, right, I mean it's this, It's yeah, it's I mean they go in, they go hand in hand, right, I mean I think they didn't used to, but they do now. Like it's more the discussion is being had more about manifestation as well now. But like some of it is like the power of positive thinking, that's also just one aspect of it. I mean, right, sure you can ask Taro about your future, but there are so many things you could ask Taro about.

I mean, obviously you can ask Taro about your past. That's something that can't be changed. And those readings, especially for people that I did not know their past, they always tell me how accurate they are, and I don't know. Maybe they're lying to me, but I'm not lying to them. But maybe they want to maybe they want to save my feelings.

I don't know. That's to be fair, I've never had you do anything other than like that forward what your your your notorious tarot reads are always future bound. Well that's because that's always what you wanted to know. It's not just me situation. To be fair, my life has not been the one changed by your terror reads, so I can I can sleep soundly at night, but that's the thing, I mean to your point, Like, in a lot of ways, some of it is just like this is it like like you said, like how much of this is just I was already there anyways, and this is just the universe giving me back that one percent more.

And sometimes you're in ninety nine percent and sometimes you're at eighty four percent, and it's just one more. Like sometimes it doesn't need to be the straw that breaks the camels back, and we sit here and joke about it, but it wasn't even in the situation that we're joking any more than it ever would be for anybody who's hopefully going into this as not going to say an adult, but as someone who is able to think through things rationally and doesn't just make decisions based on guards like like you said, like you can't just make a decision like that anyway. The way that I use Taro for myself when I want to clarify a situation that I'm going through or I want to learn more about something from the past for myself, it is as I said before, it's it's more about guidance and reflection than it is about telling the future.

You know, it can tell you what to potentially expect. But at the end of the day, like you are in control of your path, and like if you decide that like that's not the future that you want, you can make choices that take you away from that. Like it's I feel like people have a very like and I did too. Before I got into Tara, I had a very different view of like what taro and what divination is is because of how it's presented in media. But it for me, it's much more about the advice and the guidance and the reflection than it is about the future telling.

But as I said before, like there are some serendipitous moments that like I can't explain, like how crazy, like cards start to echo each other out of nowhere, like and I use multiple deck Like it's cool dust Soon We're going to do a poll for you. Anyway, back to Iowa from twenty twelve, guess what it was open to paranormal investigations of course, I mean everyon what else were they going to do with it? I mean, to be fair, it is condemned for all people that are disabled. So as long as long as you're going in I can live there. Like nothing good other than if they just took the place down, which like I guess they don't want to do because it's a historical building.

At this point, like just can't live there. You just can't live there. But you can go in there all you want, Okay. So of course they do have tours where they talk about the past, the history. There is like a website as well where they document some of the evidence that they have.

And there's like one picture that I want to show you guys that I think is pretty cool. Before we get into that, I just wanted to go over like the types of spirits that are like the most commonly scene. So it starts with on the first floor, Uh, most commonly, there is a little girl that is heard giggling, singing, playing in the halls. Apparently her name is Susie, So that would have to be someone from the farm days, right, most likely? Okay, because that's the other thing I want to like figure out, Like, let's as you go through these like that's a fast figure out.

Well that has to be well, that has to be right, Like well, during I believe an EVP session, she told investigators that she was dropped off there, right, you have been dropped off in a farm you. I mean, I think like a lot of parents that and take care of their children. You know, where else are they gonna go? Or maybe she was of what they probably would have referred to as a disturbed child, and it could have been the asylum days, like what we just call it child, a disturbed child or just a child? I mean fair but like I assumed child you mean like someone less than the age of ten, Like they have someone that young at this place as an institution, And I mean that's what it seems to be.

Ok. I think that's I just assumed you couldn't But again, oh oh you absolutely there. I mean it depends on the place. But I mean this place does not seem to have many regulations. So I feel like if a kid got dropped off there, what are they gonna do?

Turn the child away? Are they going to say, Okay, now here's your very unsafe bedroom. Yeah, condemned den but yeah, so so that's susie. Uh. And then there is also another spirit on the first floor who is a manned that is believed to have committed suicide by hanging himself with a bed sheet and the janitor's closet.

I'm gonna guess that's probably asylum days. I'm gonna assume as well, right that that that feels much more asylum, right. But yeah, and then we get to the second floor. So one thing is that there's a toy fire truck and it's said to like move throughout the building. And obviously I'm sure the skeptic in dustin is going, well, they're holding tours there, so somebody's moving it.

Duh. The draft building, those drafts are carrying that fire truck a long way. I mean to be fair, though, if you were just like walking through the hallway at night and you saw this like fire truck like slowly creep like down the hall, get out of here. I see you moving the right, I mean, would you be like, well, actually the building is on a slight tilt here my level on my iPhone. That is the question, like, what would happen if this shit?

You'd be like, I'm fucking out of here. I'm also more than willing to say, like, there can be alternative explanations, but regardless, I'm shitting carried the shit out of me. Yeah, in the moment, you'd be like, somebody there, come out. I know you're playing or The alternative is there's somebody hiding behind a corner and they have like an invisible like string and they're like slowly pulling trying to grab it. Is bulwed away, fucking fishing line.

Jesus Christ and another thing that happened on the second floor. So a little backstory. So the current owner spent a night in the room two hundred and he felt as if somebody was squeezing his big toe, which is interesting, it's a very specific feeling, but that's what he's claimed. So he stayed in this room overnight and while he was staying there, he felt that somebody was squeezing his toe. And then much later on, his nephew and a friend investigated the room.

They were like butting, you know, paranormal investigators, and they got an EVP reading that said I grabbed ooh horrifying, I grabbed your toe. I just like the idea this guy's like, I know what it feels like to have him a big toe grabbed. And this was that failing My spirit's best spirit grabbed my big toe, Like okay, I mean the idea that this person's like, I know what that feels like. Like I think we all do because that's not a thing that anyone is. I think anyone can say that they know what being squeezed feels like, and you can assign that to any body part.

It's not a feeling I've ever had out of nowhere? Have you ever felt that? I have never felt anyone squeeze my big toe out of nowhere? What about you? Dustin should have stubbed my toe?

Sure, I wasn't asking you to explain it away. I believe he was in bed, laying down and out of nowhere he felt that sensation. So I've never felt that type of sensation. Uh looked down and saw someone just sucking on his toe. Cursed.

So you have said so many cursed things throughout this this entire evening, and most of them are not on the recording. And I don't know if that's a good thing or I mean, this one deserved to not be and yet it is, so there you go. I mean, what else is? Why can I ask a theoretical question if it is a ghost, why would the ghost be grabbing your big toe like what? I don't know.

There was a lot of a lot of weird people with a lot of fixations that stayed there it's a Quentin Tarantino ghost, That's what it is. I really just like your feet. I really like your feet. Dan Schneider goes over to your ear and it like, oh yeah, I like your feet. You want a model for me?

It's a fucking that's some cursed shit right there. I mean, hey, you know what ghosts? You know? Don't want to yuck any paranormal yums all? Are there any other ghosts in this building?

Craze grabbing anything else? Yeah? Actually, believe it or not. In the basement, most notably, there is a potentially malevolent spirit and I love this. People have referred to him, not not that he named himself, but people refer to him as the joker.

You were to say, I really was hoping you were going to say something funny like Yank Dong. They named him. His name's Yank Dong. Why did they name him that? I don't have any idea, but that's his name, Yank Dong.

Are stories? I mean, the joker? Wow? Good way to co opt, way to co op something. But why is he called the joker?

Yeah? Right, it's not just a phase, mom God. But apparently he wanders the basement and appears in any of the rooms. Supposedly he was held in a small cell that was down there, and eventually he had hung himself. That being said, now, as a spirit, he has been known to throw dishes and cause a general sense of dread, which, to be fair, I think I also would feel a general sense of dread if dishes started flying at me out of nowhere.

But here's the question. Is he called He's called the joker because he throws stuff. I guess they didn't say why they're called why Billy Boy? Like, what the fuck? Kind of nelly?

Such a weird nickname for a ghost. I know, I'm not a fan of it. I gotta admit it really kind of cheapens the vibe they're They're not. They should have named them the Midnight Tokyu. You know, Dustin.

That's the dad joke for those of you listen to to like Steve Miller. Uh. Okay. So at the end of the day, this is now a double heavy negative energy place that is now become a paranormal hot spot, right, super haunted? I mean right, this is like a this is a known thing.

Obviously. Well, uh, glad you said that, because the last thing I wanted to mention is that this was actually featured on Ghost Adventures. Oh yes, oh yes, you know what we should do on Patreon or if we ever had a Patriots we should watch good watch Ghosters. Well, yeah, because ghost Hunters. We've talked about it plenty of these places.

Like I was gonna ask, like, as our dear bread mister Began's gone there, listen here, fucking ghosts, anyone want to come and punch me in the dick? Like, I mean, can I just point out on the record here Zach Began's does not need to intimidate ghosts. That's the wrong thing to do. If you talk to any ghost hunter, the last thing you're supposed to do is ask the ghats to hurt you in any way. And yet Shane Maday from BuzzFeed on saw I Can't hate he actively is like he's like kill me, kill me right now?

He just right. He does it in a much more millennial way than Zach Beacons. Zach Begans has some like very unbridled gen x or energy like ch goo jeans and my cool hair and my glass is like I would be pretty cool if you killed me. Yeah, Like he's just a millennial who wants to die from ghosts, so that, you know, just because it's like he's so. I love how he is like very much like I've gone all of these adventures and like, yeah, weird shit's happened, but it's not ghosts.

It's not real. I've told them to kill me. They haven't killed me, so and that's have they gone here? He's like they got here, he threatened, like the Annabell doll. Yeah, I know, I've seen that one.

I love it. I mean, hey, you know what if nothing has happened, then I guess he's right. So maybe it's just a spite. That's fair? Would you?

I would tell that's the thing, you know. That's the thing. I mean. This place is this is close enough to Dustin and I that we could go here for like a weekend. It's only probably like five hours away.

Anything with a potential malicious spears it is something that I want nothing to do with because, like I said, you know, whether or not you believe in this as a whole, God forbid that it is real. And then you go there and something negative becomes attached to you and you struggle to remove that attachment. Five and a half hours away, Dustin, we have five and a half hours, baby, we can go. You want to go? I mean, you're on the way to New Jersey, Yeah it is.

I support you guys. All I'm saying is I would not choose to go to a place with malicious energy because I have enough shit in my life. I don't need to add to it. I would I add to the bullshit that already occurs in my day. Why would I add to the negativity.

It's one thing to be like, yeah, you want to go to this bed and breakfast and they have like this cute, like little girl ghost that goes around and like pulls tidy pranks, Like that's fine, sure, you know what, it'll sty'll scare the shit out of me. But whatever, Why would I go out of my mind? Why would I go out of my way to be like, oh yes, demon basement blates Like I offer an alternate explanation. If someone tells me, and I quote, we have a ghost of a little girl here, and she's not that malicious, you know what that is? That's a fucking demon ghost disguising itself as a little girl, Because you know what, you could never know if it's actually a little girl, if it's a fucking demon.

Very true, now, I would point I could point out that for all of us playing ang and all said people that are on or within the more psychic spectrum that believe that they are more susceptible and open to sensing energies can usually tell or claim to that whether something is of light or something is of dark, And it has to do with the feeling that you get when you are around set thing. I most spiritualists, I'll hear them say, like, you know, I'm surrounding myself with only love and light, and only beings of love and light are allowed to speak with me. If you are not a being of love and light, you are not allowed to interact with me. And I mean, if you're going to believe that those are, you know that there are beings out there.

I feel like a lot of the laws that people have prescribed to them, such as like you know, demons need permission in order to possess you, like, I think a lot of that all starts to go very hand in hand. So it's like, if I'm going to go there under the assumption that ghosts are real, I'm also going to go there under the assumption of like energy protection and knowing that. Like, if I'm with somebody who is very susceptible to sensing energies, if they tell me they're sensing something bad, that means there's something bad like and I would listen to that. That's fair. Hey, Dustin, just so you know, it's two seventy five, one to five people, no matter how many people.

One to five people. Emma, you could cut. We could go now, we go overnight, we could go this weekend. They have availability as soon as this, as soon as tomorrow's fun. You too, better document it.

I want videos, I mean, I Dustin. Dustin was there when I told him we were going to the Sally House. You remember that, right, I told you. I was like, do you want to come? I don't did I ask you?

I don't know. If I asked you, I don't think you would. I mean, I don't know. It would be fun. I mean, it would be fun to go and something happens to you.

It'd be like whoa, of course, But I think I asked Alex, the guy who does the music for the show, if he wanted to go, and he was like, I can't. And then COVID happened the next week. Nothing happened to me at the Sally House. I can actually, you know, say, I've been somewhere haunted where people have been haunted by things on video, and nothing happened to me. And I will tell you I was disappointed, but I wasn't disappointed enough to lie, right, No, And yeah, that's also important, you know, right.

So, speaking of which I would consider this perhaps going into the evidence side of things. I wanted to show you a few pictures that they have on their website and I know obviously the lovely listeners can't see it, so hopefully we can do a little description for them, or you can just go to the Edinburgh Manor website and go onto the evidence tab. But so they have a few pictures, so this one. So this photo here was taken in the basement back in the hallway, coming from the padded room. Love to hear the padded room.

And here's the thing. When it comes to evidence photos, especially these days, it is so difficult to tell if something is doctored, if something has been photoshopped. I have no idea, and I'm going to go in with the assumption that these have not been tampered with. So let's dustin let's look at this under the lens of This has not been tampered with in any way. Nobody's taken this through photoshop, nobody's done any editing.

This is just they took a picture on their phone. They didn't see this in real life, and then they took the picture and this is what showed up. What am I supposed to see here? It's like this, So it's an opened door and it's like this all moved. It kind of like has has like the outline of a body.

Maybe I see like a head and a torso and like maybe an arm. I'm gonna go out and a live and say, I don't see anything, but there is some weird I would describe this as like visual energy happening. It's it's a white light with some like blues mixed in and like very like wavy pattern looking like it's going through the door, through the open door. And I mean, I don't know, but I mean that's that would if I if I took a picture somewhere and that showed up on my phone that, I mean, I don't know how I'd feel about that. How would you guys feel about that?

I would chalk it up to use her hair, even me really delete it. Well that's the rightest answer. Well, I mean to here's the thing, Like I I don't look, and I'm sure we're going to see a picture that it's like and then I'm like, well, this looks like a thing and that's gotta be fake. Like I've seen a lot of pictures or of orbs and stuff before, and I will say orbs and stuff for me now in twenty twenty four, not the most overwhelming evidence. Does that make sense?

And that's just a me thing, so I can I can concede that. So something like this for me is not really going to move the needle. And I'm someone who's more amenable to these kinds absolutely, So let me have this lovely one taken in a dark room. It looks like perhaps with flash and very blurry, but the caption rates photo of a face in the mirror on the second floor on the men's wing, taken during an event. And so I believe this like oval thing here on the wall is the mirror, and it appears to be somebody young within the mirror, somebody not just the person taking the picture.

It was my first thought, but I guess not. I'm just asking because like that for me is like the obvious answer here, right, Like that's just the that was the first thing I thought. But I mean, I'm assuming if this person submitted it as evidence to the team of people that you know, run this website, they would be like, well, you don't look like this person in the mirror, right right, and again like I get that. So like again, I'm assuming, like you said, with the last picture, not doctor, that the person who's taking this picture doesn't look like the person in the photo exactly. And this is called suspension of disbelief a little bit because I think it's important to look at these things with the lens of as if everything is taken and presented authentically, because I feel like the more important conversations happen when you assume people aren't inherently lying or trying to trick you, because if you can't explain it, it's really easy to explain it away with oh it's photoshop, Oh it's altered.

Oh they had somebody stand behind the person and they're just in the room. Like that's super easy to explain away, and I think that's boring. So instead of that, I'd like to assume only the best intentions and the most authentic intentions, and then how could I explain it from there? And if I can't, then I can say it's possible it was doctored. Sure, it's possible that it was some you know, especially this first one could be some sort of you know, lens flare.

I've never seen a LUNs flair like that, but that doesn't mean I'm an expert on LUNs flares like but I definitely think that looking at things like this with an open mind, assuming that it was all done in good faith, that is when the interesting conversations happen. So that being said, there's one more that I want to show you. I will say, in that photo you just showed the what looks like hair coming next to the face. Oh yeah, I like great. Here to me almost looks like is a reflection of the thing to the right of it.

Oh I can see that too. Oh yeah, it does say that it was taken in the men's wing because it kind of looks like long hair. So I originally was like, this looks like a young girl, but that would make more sense zoom man I a little bit. I mean it gets blurry, but yeah, it' just assuming one more can you click in just one more time. It's like, just like the features look weirdly distorted.

I don't know how to describe it, but like it looks the the features look very like cartoonish. I mean, I see like a high cheek high cheek, right, it looks like it looks it looks like a mask, like you know the drama comedy masks. Whoa, it looks like the bike Is there one of those in the background or you know, on the other side of the camera. It's like it looks like the baby doll mask from the what the hell's that movie called The The Strangers. Oh yeah, it's like very like distorted features like Dustin's right, Like even and even those comedy and drama and drama masks are happy and sad as where the fuck they are?

Those are very exaggerated features in and of it themselves. It doesn't look like a guy. That's I think the question that to me, it looks like a like a very adorable, pudgy child. To me, it looks like someone with really high cheek bones. To me, it looks like specifically, it looks like to me, like a young girl, like a very young like I'm saying like six year old girl, like the way that the cheeks are shaped to me, if you know, fill in the blanks, like I see the outline of like a face specifically, like you know, with like baby leftover, baby fat.

But yeah, it's the Internet. To me, it looked like a leprechaun to me. Fair this this amateur sketch. So I want to show you one last tight is this is this what going to move the needle? You think I don't know?

I definitely think again, go into it with suspension to disbelief because I think it. It is so easy to say, oh, come on, that's totally like that's probably photoshopped. But for the sake of the conversation, let's assume good faith. So this is the photoke sorry trigger photo courtesy of Mysteries of the Night paranormal photo taken on the front to Edinburgh. Where you zoom in, you can see a face behind them.

So just I'll zoom just a little bit. But they do have a zoomed in Are we talking about between the guy with the skeleton and the woman on the right. Is that what we're talking about? Like right, yeah, it looks like yeah, it's like Mike Myers. I was about to say the same No, no, no, no, no, it looks just like Michael Myers.

I can I can see that. Yeah, yeah, so I mean, what is that that's supposed to be a face? Yeah, I mean again, I can see nose, I can see eyes. This looks like a much older person. It almost looks like they have like a really big like receding hairline.

It's a what's what's it called. When the eye sees faces, it puts together random like oh yeah, I mean yeah, it's that's what this is, right, It very well could be. And see like that's what I'm saying. Those are the interesting conversations rather than ooh it's photoshop. Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense.

Like we as humans were evolved to seek patterns and see faces where there might not be any because it was a survival tactic, you know, staying up late throughout the night and keeping watch over our families or our tribes, and keeping watch in low light situations. We are so we were able to survive as a species because we were so hyper vigilant and pattern seeking and being able to see faces where there potentially aren't any was a survival tactic. For sure, and so yeah, I mean again, I think the quality of both of these images is pretty similar in terms of like you can just barely kind of make out a face. I mean the second one, the second one looks much more like a face than the third one. That one, but that's the thing, like I don't know that.

Here's the thing, like if you look at the photo of those people and like just if you move it over to the left so we don't don't have to see the zoomedn thing, Like if you didn't know that they were telling you that there was a face in there somewhere, would you have looked at that picture and said, I see something between those two people. I might have. I don't know. It's hard to say because obviously, like when I saw this, I saw the caption and I saw this. I mean like when you go on this page, it is like impossible to ignore it, Like you can't unsee this photo in this context ever.

Again, right, I mean the test I showed it to you first without it like I was really careful not to weave in too far. But the problem is like again, like like you said, there's nothing you could do about the fact that like it's on this website. So like if you this to someone, like a completely third party person and been like, is there something in this photo, like just tell me if you see anything strange, and they picked this out and they say that looks like a face, Like that's what I wonder because again, like everyone is very susceptible here because this is taken where it's taken and d D D D D D, well, it is a face. People in our lives in the same way that I zoomed so you could not see this photo over here.

You can do that and you can test it and you yeah, I'm curious, it's I don't I don't know. I feel like it's a it's not that much of a face, really, I don't know. The second one is a lot much, a lot more of a face, I would agree. But the problem that I have is like it's in a mirror, and like it's positioned, it's positioned exactly where the person who would be taking his picture is to the point where you can almost even see the light being reflected onto the face of the thing from whatever they're using to illuminate in front of them. I'm not saying that wouldn't be the case.

Anyways. But I mean again it's I don't know. If this were taken from like way off to the side and you could see a face, that would be one thing. But like you can tell that the person taking this picture or that's in this footage just like right there. Yeah, but I also suppose that the interesting thing about that is because it says that it was taken at an event, I feel like if it was taken at a weird angle, you know, maybe it would be easier to explain away is it was probably sobody at the event.

That's fair, that's fair. And so for it being head on, it makes more sense to me because like you would obviously know as the person taking the photo of somebody was like right there in front of you. But if you took it, like if it was like in a weird you know angle far away, it very well could be reflecting somebody from you know, twenty thirty feet away. I mean, obviously it looks a lot closer, but it also is very blurry. So yeah, well, I mean they always are, they always are.

They're always blurry, that is, that's for certain. That is the Edinburgh manor cool. When did did you say when this first started or when it first opened as a it was a yeah, the nineteen ten, nineteen eleven, that was when they turned into it asilunce. I've got to believe that they were probably doing experimental treatment. Oh, most likely like lobotomies, an electroshock, and yeah, most places were doing stuff like that.

That's that could have killed for a lot of deaths, oh, easily, a lot of negatively charged energy, to no pun intended to be fair, I did not find anything about how many deaths happened, Like I don't because when it gives this number, the two hundred and thirty plus, it doesn't say when or how that was documented. So was it documented from the poor farm? Was it documented for the poor farm and the asylum? I'm reading it as the poor farm. That's how I read it as well, since it came before.

But then you know, they don't say that any deaths were documented at the asylum. But then again, it's like inevitable right for them being open as long as they were as an asylum. That it was basically open at least ninety years and Michael don't have to necessarily die there for it to be negatively charged energy. Also true, also very true it's not a requirement that you know, mass quantities of people dropped dead. But it makes me wonder like were they avoiding documenting death?

I mean, I'm sure any of these places probably were in theory. Is it a success rate if people are dropping dead? No, not usually, So probably wasn't something they were I mean I would just go out on a limb to say that that's probably not something that was being reported with any amount of urgency because again, most people were being cared for anyways. And secondly, even if they had that information, not like anybody was doing anything about it right for one hundred years, you know, accessibly. Yeah, anyway, I want to hear what you guys want to bring to the table.

Yeah, justin now. Mine was the van Meter Monster or also known as the van Meter visitor. So this was what would today be described as a cryptid like creature that was experienced in van Meter, Iowa. So the story goes, and this is set in like early nineteen hundreds, nineteen oh three to be exact. And so we're coming, you know, out of the gay nineties, eighteen nineties, that's what it was called the Gay nineties, like seven years removed from a bunch of people somewhere in Iowa being interred in this horrifying place that I much just told us about.

Oh it's the gay nineties, but then the early night for miles away, but then the early nineteen hundreds, it was a period of like progression and prosperity and people starting farms and things like that. And so town of Van Meter was just that. It was a startup town, agriculturally centered. There was a mine nearby, so there was also a mining operation. So anyway, story goes that Ulysses Griffith was coming home from a late night at work and walking down main street in Van Meter, and Ulysses Griffith was a business owner in Van Meter, well respected, likely part of the decision and making group of the town.

Small town, by the way, less than a thousand people and is tiny. Yeah, And he reports that he noticed a figure on top of a building and didn't quite didn't think much of it, you know, kind of cross his mind, like, what's somebody doing up there? Could it be a robber of some kind? But then somebody just chilling on top of the building could be a robber, I guess. So well, then the figure turned and there was a light emitting from the figure.

Not a robber or or just a very radioactive Robert yeah, right, bioluminescent robber. Yeah. And supposedly he hollers out at this figure like, hey, what do you tow it up there? Oh? Just like that?

I hope it was just like right, yeah, right right, I love it going. Can you do the rest of the podcast? Enough? Have to whistle when you talk to like an old miner went off, fire o man, their roof, and as he hollered to the figure, it vanished. Oh shit, just like before his eyes.

We were like to like jump jumped down and a few seconds later it was on top of there was another There was a figure that appeared on a building across the street. Yeah, the same light coming from somewhere on the figure. And as he kind of kept watching it, it kind of went off and vanished. He went home, he went to bed, thought nothing of it, as you do in the nineties. Well that was well, that was weird.

I guess I'll go back to my very exceedingly normal life. Can I just say, like the American dream, you guys say, for the fucking record, if I went outside right now and I saw some ship on my roof, jumping around. The last thing I would do is just go that. Guess I'm going to bed. That was a weird Thay, I'm down from there.

Yeah, all right, you flew away or just fucking disappeared. Guess I'm going to bed now, good night. Yeah. And here's the thing. I live in a house with electricity.

I'm not just going to fucking bed. These yo yos are out in the middle of nowhere. Just like, well, that thing that disappeared that had light coming out of it, which by the way, would be in and of itself a shocking thing to see. Three, Like we're thinking about this in com he had a candle or something I don't know, a lantern, candle in candy face. I mean it said it was light was emanating from it, so like I've got a suit.

Was it like its face or body or just like was it like a glow at this point he just saw a light. It was at a distance, a light coming from the figure at this point, So like I said, could be a candle. Okay, okay, Emma playing the Emma playing the role this evening of Dustin's understudy of the Skeptic. The following morning, yeah. The following morning, Ulysses decides to tell his fellow townspeople what he saw the next morning, mind you not, I know, as long as they don't consider him a witch, heretic, last famer.

He saw demons take him out back and put them in a well. Seas got him. But the townsfolk were all aghast, right, yes, same, I would assume so they they had questions they that he couldn't answer. He just shared what he saw, and people were kind of on edge, like, oh my gosh. Everybody at this point is still thinking could be a robber, you know, admitted for a way into these buildings to rob us.

Yeah, freakings. And if you think about think about the time of nineteen oh three, what are you afraid of back then? I mean they don't have our experiences obviously, so really their fears are probably like weather strangers, you know, people not from the community, right, any people the roots with lights shooting out of their fucking faces. Evidently not too concerned about that. But that's the thing, Like, genuinely, if this happened to you right now, you'd be scared out of your mind.

Like, I just don't under I don't understand the laxadaisical attitude that any of these people are having, because I feel like it's not gonna be rewarded in the future that they're like, oh, this is fine, this is not a thing such such islands. Huh right, see see what I mean. If it were Nebraskans, they'd be we're gonna kill it. Yeah, we'd be eating it. Yeah.

Well this teasted good. God so the next and and just to backtrack a little bit, it's said that he saw this thing around one am in the morning, so dark at night. Yeah, yeah, pitch black. Uh. Now, this is also not that far from people having electricity ish light bulbs.

I mean light bulbs came about kind of the late eighteen hundreds, So this being a new town, it's likely they had access to light somehow. Someway, there's a mine, there's a mining community, you know, lightbulbs, don't know, lanterns. More than likely they had light at night. If this guy's going around at night, right, yeah, so they just can't. He carries around like a candle opera, like a Victorian woman in your mansion.

This is bustle. Yeah, she's like a fuck. Yeah, he got his dog with him because he's going to a graveyard. So the next day, come nighttime, there's another prominent figure within the town named doctor Atwell, Fred at Well I think it was, And he reports again around one am that he heard something outside his window and opened his eyes and saw light coming in through his window and kind of this like guttural noise. Wait wit so like sitting in bed he saw it out of his window.

Yeah, so he got up back to bed. He got up and looked out his window and saw this figure and noticed that the light was shining from like this horn on its head. That was not what I had on my big go card. So he grabs his gun, runs outside, as we do. He grabs his gun, runs out of a doctor, the physician of the town, grabs his gun, runs outside and to get a good look at it and try to get a shot at it.

And that's when he gives a more detailed account of what this thing looks like. He describes it as a humanoid like figure with bat like wings and a blunt horn with light coming from it. He took five shots at it and seemingly either hit it and it did nothing, or didn't hit it it ran off. Well, like you said, he is the town physician. Hey, we're relying on him for food.

They were. He was in the town of Hunters, So what a shame it was this guy. At least he gave a good description. So you say how big the horn was, like it's a blood horn, but like does that mean like it had like a because here's the question rid, like, what's this fucking ambulance go by? Did they did they say how big the horn was?

I don't recall hearing how big the horn was. Interested there's there's drawings of the account that make it look like very pterodactyl, like with a big old like oh wow, or in coming. I'll look this up. Is it too soon for me to look up what this thing looks like? No, not at all, Okay, I want to do it with that.

I'll keep talking the van meter monster or visitor it was. Don't look up the meter monster though if I get the wrong thing. It was changed to visitor to soften the name of it so it wouldn't skip it people, to make it more appealing to move to van meter. Yeah, that a cattel kuanal. It looks like a fucking tarodactyl.

Well, it's not far removed from what people would draw the Jersey devil or like the mothman or the mothman because like some of these have red eyes, which is like a mothman. Uh huh, and an interesting look in some of this stuff up. So that area, like the Native American tribes of the area, the i Away and later the Sioux, they had legends of a thunderbird, which was a winged thing with lightning eyes that would pick like pick up. Looks like a fucking ketzel kattal. Well, that's one rendering.

There's others, but no, this is a this is a no, that's just a kets of Oh okay, okay, yeah, it does look like that thing, right, like the it's the way that the wings are like folded. Yeah, but it's it's not very big though, right like this is what like maybe like five spy feet tall. But yeah, they say it's like humanoid in shape and figure, I mean it was there, it was their size but had wings. Continue So the so the doctor explains to Ebody what happened the next day around one am, not joking, around the same time. Uh, the banker of the town decided that if this is a robber, he's gonna be the one to take him down.

So he stayed the night in the bank, and he didn't listen to the guy before who said, like, this is you're telling me that someone still could think this is a robber at this point. Yep, they still think at this point. The town's kind of divided. According to articles, Okay, there's there's believers, and then there's ones that are like this as somebody's pulling our chain, or there's like someone trying to break into places with a light. We have a really hard time believing that someone would be stupid enough to be like I'm gonna find out, I'm gonna find Oh yeah, well, his innovation was to protect the town's money.

It's his job, right though. He stayed the night at the bank with a shotgun loaded at the buck shot and fell asleep in the bank. Woke up to a light scanning the bank in the window, and he reports that he gets up and tries to like get a better look, makes a noise, and the light shifted to him. At that point. At that point, he pointed his shotgun and took a shot at the light.

Yeah, and apparently like there's a glass, you know, door there in the bank and apparently the glass door is all shattered and everything. Doesn't think he hit it because of the glass door, but he did. Hear it shriek, run off, and it left a foul, just terrible odor that he describes stupefied him. Huh. It's a weird way to describe a stupefying odor.

Yeah, stupid before he saw his shotgun, I don't know, scared the shit out of the monster. I guess, I get. I mean, I guess yeah. Or a peepe poopoo peepy peepe or poopoo. Maybe that's how you know it's getting late.

I mean. So then another account happens the next night, again in the mid in the middle of the night. This is like four or five nights of terror for the townspeople. Uh. And there was another business owner who lived above his business son like, and that was common practice.

You live above the place you work, so you just go downstairs and get to work. No work life balance, I would love to see it. That's that American dream right there. This is the monster that showed everyone the true meaning of a work life balance. The van Meter monster is he to slow down with your lives.

Well, and this business owner, these are and if you've noticed, he's all been prominent members of this of the town, right, like business owners, physicians, bankers. I was also going to say they've all been men. They've all been men. Interesting that you pointed that out. I'm just saying it's really easy to notice as a woman.

Yeah, but just this gender white guys in Iowa saying they saw a pterodactyl sounds like they're fragile male egos externalized. Am I right? Or am I right? Somebody had to say it. I mean I'm here.

Also, so this guy heard something out of his window, went to good look, saw a figure sitting on basically the top of a telephone hole, and opens his window, decides to take a shot. And this guy is known as the crack shot in the town. Like he is the he's got that sharp shoot, thank god. And he takes a shot, is pretty sure he hits it. He's about fifteen feet away from it, so like the length of like a school bus, maybe a little less, and gets a piece of it and it goes off somewhere.

He runs outside and says he found a piece of like you know, chunk of it that from when he shot it. And he said it smelled like a corpse. Stunk a chunk. So the next day a chunk of this, a chunk of meat. Huh.

Townspeople get together again, and they all kind of decided, Uh, we've got a like, you know, this is a real you know, torch and pitchfork, pitchfork moment for the town of Van Meter. Townspeople get together and they're gonna get rid of this thing. So they're all convinced that it's come. It's like lives in the old mine. So they start marching to the mine and wow, yeah, I love that.

Town is great. This is a theatrical story. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying the shit out of this. Man, you should do this more off, you can come around these parts more and tell story.

Townspeople make it to the mine and there's not one, but two figures just outside the front of the mine, and they're just like, they're like, fuck, there's two of these fucking things. Now. Townspeople open fire. I'm not leaving anything to chance. Boys get long.

The figures run into the mind, oh Jesus, and they decided we're not leaving anything to chance. That they dynamite the opening of the mine closing it shut. Oh fuck, that's cool. That's a cool And that's where this ends. And that's pretty much where this ends.

They canonical ending to this story. Weird. They had some people camp out in front of the mind to make sure nothing showed up again. And that's kind of the last you saw of the van Meter visitor. Oh, like the van Meter stay at or it's really late, got a kind of that's that's that good content you cover here beforecationer, Yeah, here we go.

I mean I kind of feel bad for the van Meter creature because like it, you know, like it was just stinky. He is a steaky boy, he's so steaming looking for a friend. But he had a friend. Obviously. You said that there were two of them, right, perhaps a lover, perhaps a band Meter lover.

Can they were lovers out there? They were in love? I mean, who knows? I personally, because I've been looking at pictures of the creature, I like to believe that this is them. These they're like so adorable together, really cute, those two, and they want these You want these two to be together, right like that.

Honestly, I'm kind of rude for them, right, So you're telling me that the people of band Meter, Iowa. Instead of instead of killing it and taking the bodies or doing anything reasonable, they were like, we're gonna just fucking lock them in the mind forever, fuck them and like and there you go. That was really and as they say, the rest was history and they were like done, all done, and that's it. So here's the next question. Why is this still Did they say why this is still a thing, Like, like, why is this still a thing?

If ostensibly you couldn't you can't unprove this. I guess the mine is probably closed up in Van Meter and was it actually closed because of this or was it closed for another reason? And this is just the urban legends, but kind of I just want to I feel like there should be. If there isn't a movie about this already, there needs to be one where somebody like opens up the mine and I leave. That's still waiting.

So apparently back in the early nineteen hundreds when this was going on, it reached national news. There were newspapers in New York City that actually had published articles about the goings on in Van Meter, Iowa. Wow, and so that's kish Iowa. That's that's pretty big. And I'm sure people read it and just thought of it as like, go, Okay, what's Iowa?

And that's a crazy story, what a fun creative writing prompt, right, But it did get me thinking like what could they have seen? You know? Nineteen oh three I did some looking, and the government forced Native American tribes to move out of that same area in the late eighteen hundreds, only for a Sioux tribe that was able to buy back a bunch of land and near the same area. And I got to kind of going down the rabbit hole of that thunderbird legend and looking at some photos and drawings of like sue tribalwear for you know, I'm trying to say dances that they did. Oh Dustin, Oh, is this where you're going with this?

So I kind of low key love this thought. Other than hopefully the bar where they don't die, there are there are images of Native American Sioux in a birdlike garb for whatever ceremony or it could have been for you know, a war type garb, right right, So, going kind of down that path, if they were getting their land back, this town showed up since they had left. Could could there have been scouts or something out trying to check out this town. See what's going on? You know, if you think back to the first sighting, there's a figure up on a roof and then they shows up across the street.

Could have been two people right right now, there's two people in this story already, so it's not even that far to jump because two has been established as a possible possible outcome. Well, then I got to thinking about the light. Light Bulbs existed, so it's very possible. Also, lanterns existed, and mirrors existed, so there's way too ways to emit light. There just are, And is to say that that they weren't equipped with that at the time of all this.

The report of there being a very foul stench, well, who knows, there's probably a lot of cow poop and buffalo poop out there, no showering, who knows anything can make you stink right like a corpse though. Yeah, that's that's real stinky. That's pretty stinky. I don't think I've ever smelled something so stinky, because that is the one kind of thing that's hard to explain away. What's the explanation for that?

That and the screech? To me? Well, yeah, I mean yeah, I can make a noise that you wouldn't guess few men in the dark. So if you're wearing a carcass of some kind, would they Why would they have to wear a carcass though, of an animal? I mean, don't they don't you like do something to make it not stinky or is it just our like hides perpetually stinky.

Maybe the stink is just part of the intimidation factor. Could be too rub yourself in it. I mean again, it's dark, it's late. Maybe you're trying to imitate an animal. I mean, I mean, a an animal that eats meat, doesn't necessary like animal, I mean, animals out in the wild don't smell good.

Like that's just a reality of if you're trying to scare the white man. Yeah, I mean, I mean again, like it's part of the scare tactic. I could see that that's a more believable explanation than they're wearing a carcass, I think for me at least, I mean, my my answer like for why it might not be is because I feel like that would just attract wolves, like what I feel like that would be putting themselves in danger. There aren't wolves in Iowa, though, I don't know. Fucking there are wolf there are wolves, I don't know.

Yeah, but people are big. Coyotes aren't that big. But you know what I'm saying, I got I get what you're I get what you're getting at. If you wear a carcass, an animal carcas, I feel like you're opening yourself up to being attacked by animals. It's fair, but it's not immediate because it's not like I put on a carcass and there's animals trying to eat me.

I do think this is an interesting I do think this is an interesting path of reasoning to go down. Though. Well, and I had another one, and it goes back to what Emma said. These were all the prominent men in town that were saying the same seeing the same thing, all saying it happens around one am, which is odd. They're all kind of the town's leaders of the town.

So I think city council, right, right? Is this some like Illuminati shit? So they were also all members. They were also all members of something called like the Woodsman Society, and which is kind of turned into like an insurance company. That's a whole weird story, but this the society was like a group of men freedoms only then yep uh.

The business owners had an insignia on their buildings for this woodsman group, so that were part of this group together there are probably leaders of the town. I started thinking about what if this small town that's trying to become, you know that they're a new town there, want to attract a population. Maybe could this be some sort of like cooked up marketing scheme. I mean it made national news. I mean Van Meter, Iowa was in the news in New York City.

Yeah, and that's kind of low key, wholesome and like a better curiosity of this town to be like, what's going on there? We should check it out? Blow up their own mind, that's what That's what I was asking a story, That's what I was if the mind was already grown up? Did anyone ever vet it? Did anyone ever like there's been dated I don't know, there's been people that have been out there there, like as recently a few years ago.

The mine's been opened back up, don't know when, but it's been opened back up. When the videos of people going there, it's open and I guess we learned because they've released the evil into the world. The evil had been sealed away, right, That's how we got the Jersey dep That's right. It just moved it just it just moved to New Jersey, right, that's what it is. So wait, okay, so you can go into the mine now, so probably not too far.

I mean, I wouldn't imagine it would be very safe when it is open to the public. Theoretically, Yeah, And they've never like found any like scratches or anything on the wall to den like that's something large and possibly claw having was in there. Nothing reported. Now as a bummer, you know, kind of just wish the mine had stayed closed, But then it makes you wonder if it was, if it were people you know there, there could be another way out of the mine. Yeah, it may not be the only way in and out.

Fairy it's ever been cited again, Like that's the thing, Like it's gone like the van It's not like I mean, I was I was maybe waiting for the moment in the story where you're like and they reopened mine and then all of a sudden, Van Meter Iowa was besmirched with sightings. Again, it's like there's none of that because again, like I mean, what it how much fun is it to have a story where you're like, welcome to our town that has a cryptid like yeah doors, Is that like a fucking selling point? Like that feels like a script for like a Wes Anderson movie, like come to our town where Bigfoot lives around the corner, like played by Willem Dafoe. Like that's you know what I mean, That's what it's like. That's what it seems like.

Like I don't know Asteroid City, I do know what you mean. Yeah, like that, I don't understand how like realistically again, to go back to the idea of a rational person, is a rational person going to move to Van Meter fucking Iowa because someone said there might be an alien there? Well, it's it's it's true to think about what we've talked about with the Mothman and Jersey Devil Thunderbird and then this is cooked up also, or that there's this similar thing very Jason. Yeah, but in twenty thirteen they started a Van Meter Visitor Festival in Van Meter, Iowa. Or is they going every year since?

Ah, that's really wholesome. Yeah, I like that. That's a nice ending to the to the in Nebraska, we have a Bigfoot festival. I love that for you guys. We should go.

I wanted to go the Year of COVID, but I don't think they did it the year of COVID. I would go to the Van Meter Visitor Festival. It soun's like it could be a lark, right, It could be fun, could be fun in front of the mine. Yeah, Van Meter's probably only like a couple hours from here. That'd be fun.

Emma, you could meet us there. We all go on the Van Meter Visitor tour. We get to see where he was. Is this entire podcast you guys trying to get me to come to Iowa? I mean, I mean, would I mean clues?

Yeah? Would you go and see the mind where the creatures were locked away? I think at this point I would, But like what if? What if? But like what if?

What if? Well, here we go. They showed up when we were there at like what if, and we were just like, we know, we love you so much. Our friend Emma loves you guys so much, like take her away please, And that's how Emma got taken away by the Van Meter Visitor. There's gonna be at least four people that are going to be very upset with well is that so that's what I wonder, So like Van Meter visitors kind of in the same space as like the Fresno Nightcrawler or like the Loveland Frog.

Do you guys know what I'm talking about with those two? No, they're like they're like hyper regional cryptids. Like this is a thing that's like I have not I mean, like you mentioned Mothman, right, but like this is like oddly specific in only one place. This only happened in one place, like the Loveland Frog, which we had James Renner on to talk about like eons ago, only in Loveland, Ohio, like and the Fresno Nightcrawler only in Fresno, California. Like those are like so specific, it's part of the name.

Do you know what I mean? It's like it's not just a regional cryptid because I'm Offman's kind of been seen all over the place, as it were, or the like the Jersey Devil, right, like hyper regional because it's only in one place. But I kind of low key love those cryptids as as a whole, more than just like Bigfoot, because as much as I do love Bigfoot, like it's like eight million things. Frankly, like Ohio Grassman is technically a bigfoot. Yetti is technically a bigfoot, you know what I mean?

Like this is like, this is this its own thing? Are there things similar? Sure? But this is very much a specific thing in a specific place. We could go visit because they have a festival about it, because of course they do, and they probably sell toy and have like t shirts and all kinds of bullshit, right right, I'm sure like they get like some like bootleg ketzel coladal like I mean lushies and like alter them a little bit.

I mean, this is this reminds me in a lot of ways of when you go to the Pacific Northwest and you see like bigfoot stuff. But again, like that's just like that's bigfoot. Like this is such a specific thing. I don't know. I love it.

I'm glad to know it's in Iowa because we could go. We could go see it. We could It's close enough, could go, say hi. I feel I feel like if the head of the town, the townsmen, if their goal was to draw people to van Meter, It's finally come to fruition in twenty thirteen. That's fair.

There is a wholesome story dusted that I love this Dustin. That was fair. Yeah, that was such a that had such a wholesome ending that only you could really provide. But to be fair, you're right, I mean, even if it is in the smallest of ways, like we right now are talking about Van Meter, Iowa, which isn't that did they not ultimately win in the end, Like I didn't know they existed until like I don't know, twenty five fish minutes ago, right and I and I've looked more into it now than I probably ever would have if they had never done something like that, which most towns haven't. I honestly think that's probably what it was now on gay marketing right there.

I mean, but here's the thing, Like you've got to assume that they were living in the time of P. T. Barnum, right, Like that's the thing, Like sensationalism does sell, and if you have it is weird to me, Emma you mentioned the female thing, like it's all the town elders effectively, Like that's a little old fishy to me. We're all part of the same society, right like again, like it's I think that's less unbelievable than anything else to think that a bunch of the old white dudes in the town were like, what's the easiest way we could get people to take notice of Iowa and our town cook have some bullshit about a dinosaur flying around, because that's essentially what it is now stories sting dinosaur, a glowing dinosaur.

And then again, like I mentioned the thing about the ending, like you know what, if you can claim that the mind got blown up and those fucking things are dead, you can kill two birds of one stone. You can say we're a town on the move, moving away from mining and doing other things, so come here. And also we can the monster's gone, so you don't have to worry about it, but you can live in the town that everybody has heard of that had this monster. So that has put us on the map. But at the same time, like we don't have to worry about the threat of it because it's in the mine and the mind is closed and we're never going to open it in you know, until twenty thirteen, when again the town elders probably would never have thought in a million years that people would embrace it.

That's the thing they probably never would have anticipated. Well, and the first guy I mentioned, Ulysses Griffith, Griffith. The business he owned was a farm implements store. So if they're trying to turn into more of an agricultural community, here's a guy who sells the agricultural stuff and trying to draw people into town. Well that's going to benefit him.

The doctor going to have more patience, the fucking banker gonna have more money. Yeah, just seems all too convenient. Yeah. Well when you say, like, when you add the those pieces of information, it really changes the way the story can be interpreted. But at the same time, I mean, you gotta love a community for having some weird ass bullshit just cooked up to be like, well, this is a but that's the thing.

Like is that crazier than like anything else? Like, I guess not really, Like the biggest ball of twine, you know, the world's biggest squirrel made out of concrete? Like, is that any different than our claim to fame? Is something we made up? Versus like Texarcana where they have a yet to ever be solved masked killer.

Like, no, that wasn't their choice, but that put them on the map. I guess if you want to choose it. I guess the Pterodactyl's not a bad thing to choose. I guess then that begs the question where all the townspeople in on it, or was it just this group and they terrified their community for five days? I mean again, if you know at the end of it that you're going to make the thing go away, I don't think.

I don't know. I think if the three of us were having to make this decision, I think you could get to the point where even Emma, who is probably the most morally just out of the three of us, would be able to be convinced that the ends might be able to justify the means here. I mean perhaps to an extent, right, Like, it's like, it's not the end of the world to scare the people in your town if you're going to have an escape hatch at the end where you're like, and we got rid of it. See, we did our job. Here's the other thing on the timeline.

The first sighting was September twenty ninth, and it lasted for five days into October. Well holiday is close to that, it's fair. I mean, I mean again, like, and that's the time for spoopy season, right, And that's the other thing. It only lasted five days, Like tell me another cryptid that's like this that they have, like and then we blew it up and it was gone. We killed them.

Yeah like that, That to me is a very weird ending to that part of the story because it's just not a thing that you hear in these kinds of stories. You don't hear we killed it. That's why it's gone. It's just like, oh, it's gone because no one ever saw it again, like the like, there are so many cryptids that are just we haven't seen it in a while, not we gild it like was let's I've heard someone say I killed Bigfoot. That's why we don't see them anymore.

That's it's it's that's the craziest part of this story for me. It's thinking that like that might actually answer what this is because if you have that part of it, like I said, there's nothing to be scared of theoretically, theoretically there's nothing to be scared of. It is just a gimmick. I mean, think about think about Roswell right, like it's the same thing. And if all this was just a gimmick, I like the addition of the detail of and it was stinky, yeah, mag stinky.

It had farts. I mean again, like it's just like one of those things where it just it's like, well you wouldn't want to get near it, you know, so stay away for this. Yeah, yeah, all more reason to stay back. Yeah. But again, if they even saw anything, like again, if they all just agree like like they like we've said, if they all just agreed that they saw something, let's just get our stories straight.

What did we all see? Because I mean that's the other thing, Like they wouldn't have seen anything. They would have literally just been sitting their fucking beds, right, and then the next morning being like you won't believe what I saw last night. Well that's I mean, it just it makes sense. Yeah, why was he so not freaked out?

I mean again, I point that it pointed that out in jest, but I do answer. I do answer that question now, maybe on my own, which is because there was nothing to be scared of to begin with, because you knew the whole time that you were just making this ship up. And yeah, if you're making this shit up, there is no immediacy. That it explains the lack of immediacy. And I don't want to be the person to like debunk shit like you said it's not fun But at the same time, isn't that way more interesting to have a town just like kind of committing broad wholesale.

I mean, that's a that al together, that is a that shit straight out of a movie like that would be It sounds kind of That's kind of why I loved this story. When I was looking stuff up, I was just like, it's so funny. Before I looked into it, I was like, and I kind of subscribe to the latter here of the townspeople cooking this up. But and that just is just funny to me that the lengths they would go to prosper well just put their name on the map, even if it is for five minutes. Yeah, Like like we've said, like if you're able to get in the major news in nineteen oh three, like that's that's pretty impressive.

Like even now that would be impressive. But in nineteen oh three, like Van Meter, Iowa, it's not like that's not even a place that if you ask someone where's Van Meter, they wouldn't say Iowa immediately. Like that's the other thing. It's just it's such an unknown place outside of everything else. So I'm down to Iowa and meet the heroes of Van Meter.

Yeah, that blew up the mind with the monster inside killing it and taking away our hopes and dreams of ever meeting a monster, because apparently that I mean, that's the thing. It's like they're The more fun explanation is that there was a monster and that it was there, and that they were all scared shitless and the monster died because the townspeople killed it. That's the much more fun interpretation. But and I gotta believe they acted all this out too, like these guys led the bob and We're going to get the monster, will be back. There's two figures down here.

Don't come any closer. Yeah, it's like offscreen choking yourself. I've got him. He's got hold of me. Ow hew hel Yeah, I mean that, I mean, hey, yeah, I mean that's that shit would be fucking hilarious.

Hey, you know what it kind of reminds me of. It's like a It's like a mirrored version of the thing that Orson Wells did. It's like that, but intentional, you know, because it was like, well, I'm gonna scare the shit out of people, but I'm not trying to do it intentionally. These people are like, you know, what would be really funny is if we scared the ship out of the townspeople for five consecutive evenings. God, I mean, you're right, this should be a movie.

Yeah, right should They were sleeping on the van meter. The van meter visitor softens the blow. Yeah, the man eater visitor. That's a different kind of monster. So on that.

On that note, Emma Dustin thank you both so much for joining me for doing one of these haunted states. Like I said, we had never done one before, but I don't know, I'm looking forward to doing them again because getting to talk about these kind of things is fun and I'm always up for cryptids. For me, Cryptids one loove, the love of the cryptid. And that's where we'll leave it. So until next time, you can hear Dustin and I and Emma over at Scary Stories weetell dot com, where we do more or less just surreal Tube up into this point, but who knows what we'll be doing past here.

But surreal Tube is the thing the three of us do where we talk about YouTube content and sometimes we can get to talk to the creators. So yeah, check that out over at Scary Stories. We tell and for other audio diversions, Weirdingwaymedia dot Com is where you can go to find this show Bollywood Cinema Club, which Dustin is on. We recorded those episodes months, if not years ago, but they're still airing chronologically, they're still airing, so you can find those with a whole lot of other things that I'm not on, which are better than most things that I am on, like eighties TV ladies, feminine critique twisted in encore to our you know, keeping the funny with the true crimes. So yeah, all those can be found a Weirdingwaymedia dot com.

As for this show, Scary Stories, we tell dot com big thanks to Dustin, Maggie and Alex all who help make the show sound and look a lot better than it has any right to because I am immensely untalented when it comes to those kinds of things, and they are not. And yeah, as always will let our good friend be former host, So sietings, mister Tim White lead us out. No mystery is closed to an open mind.