164. A Catchup Under Misty Conditions

We're in with. I'm diving down deep in my Sunriine. I got the ocean around me is blue and green. So many creatures that I have seen diving down deep in my sun. Marie as an octricus in his garden.

There's a part of gold from swimming by. I think I saw a great white shark. I looked dwell right in the eye. I'm diving down deep in my soul to yet another episode somewhere in the one seventies. I think of the feminine critique.

I'm Emily, I'm Christine, and on this day, Christine, what shall we be doing talking about the movies? We've been watching the movies? Yeah, a big old catch up. We haven't recorded in a while. So this is our or Hey, here's stuff we've been watching.

Let's talk about it before we forget about it. Uh, yeah, that's what we got. So as usual, both of our lists are primarily horror, so we figured we would start with all the stuff that was not I have a few dramas, a few sni thiish and some TV. So how about you. You want to start with a different genre that is not horror.

Yeah, I have a drama. Let's call it a drama, it is. I don't know why I said that. You five seven one this was a submarine movie. Yes, yeah, I love submarine movies, like I really like them.

They're like my favorite sub genres. Not not what I would have I understand it because there there is an excitement about submarine movies. You're in an enclosed space. There's a lot of like big things happening, but it's all confined to this thing, and it's terrifying because anything goes wrong, you're dead. It's scary.

Is that for you? The appeal kind of yeah, okay, The claustrophobia of it, and and the really intense close quarters storytelling you can do it ratchets everything up. Sure. Um there's a part I think it's an angel where they're on a submarine. J Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I always like that. Stuff like that to me. Stant booms large in my mind too, because I like to think about submarines. I guess, um, while You five to seven one is not the best submarine movie I've ever seen, it is very good. Matthew McConaughey Yeah, yeah, uh, and uh John bon Jovi's in it too.

Nice. Um, but it's it's it's solid, it's fun, it's interesting, it's it's a good watch. Jake Webber, who I yeah, the moment its charismatic, ansome. Man, he's so good in this. Yeah, he's very he's he's not necessarily my type, but in Dawn of the Dead he's he's very very I know, I know.

So it's a good it's a good submovie, but not the best. Sube, what is your favorite submovie? I I don't know. I don't know what I said. It's not my favorite.

I'm like, oh, probably Below, Oh, the Haunted one. Oh, I haven't seen that one. I believe, I believe that's what that movie is called. Um, it's a haunted submarine movie. All my favorite things.

It's submarine stuff. But it's also like Spooky's ghost stuff. Yeah it is. It is called Below from two thousand and two. So, um, strange happenings occur on a World War two submarine.

I enjoy I enjoy that one quite a bit because it's got all that like atmospheric shit. But it's not just like Spooky because smooth, it's like like aggressively on purpose. Ookey, nice, nice, how are you going? You got something? Um?

I or do you want me to do something. I guess, okay, I'll throw I guess this is technically a drama. Uh, this is a movie that I so, I don't know if you're aware of this, but Netflix, um is get doing away with It's a DVD program. Oh I am aware, as you know. I am the Netflix DVD subscriber.

Uh, and I have been since two thousand and eight or whatnot. And I still, you know, get my little disk and put it in and nail it back and get another one. And so now what that means is the next couple of weeks, I'm like frantically going through and trying to bump the movies up to the top that I don't think I'll easily get elsewhere. So this was one that I had been on my list forever. I think it I didn't eat.

I must have added this back back back in early days of Gentleman's Guide. I think they covered this. It's a movie I always confused with the Legend of Billy Jean because it's a similar in some ways type story, and it's Times Square from nineteen eighty. Oh yeah, I still have not seen this movie, but I think I saw on Twitter that you watched it. Yeah, I just watched it yesterday.

I would love for you to watch it. It feels maybe at one day we'll cover it because there's a lot to it. It is definitely a movie that you can tell is not the movie that it could have been and that the director wanted it to be. I think at some point the director either walked off or was fired because he was not getting the you know, studio just wasn't going to let him do what he wanted to do, which was make it gayer. For one thing, it's a movie that if nothing, there is nothing explicitly gay, but it is very clear that this is intended to be a bit of a love story between these two girls.

They're great. It's Trene Alvarado, who you've seen in things since. But the other actress is it Robin Johnson, who is just so good and so just walks on screen and your jaw drops because you're like, I this she had a big career, right and she didn't, And it's such a shame because she's just like pouncing through the screen at you. Tim Curry is there and he's lovely, and it's a little bit of a frustrating watch because you know, you're not seeing what you could be seeing. But it is very interesting for being a product of its time.

It is nineteen eighty forty Second Street, so and it looks like it and it feels like it. And in the middle of all that is this really tender, interesting, complicated story about these two girls from very different worlds who are adrift, if you will, who for various reasons are you know, have run away from home. It are kind of building their own lives. And there's a lot there. It doesn't all come together.

But if anybody hasn't seen it, well worth watching. Dig it out. It's it's there. There's a good Guino Lerber I think recent DVD of it or Blu ray And if you know, if you like, put it on your queue at the top, Uh, then like you might get the same disc that I'm nailing back. I think I already mailed it back.

Otherwise I put a little posted in there for you to say, enjoy, you know, but it's not gonna happen. So uh the end of an era truly is really and truly you got another drama. Uh yeah, I think we can call this a drama. It is dual from two thousand and twenty two. Uh, Karen gillen cloone movie.

What I know? It's really great. So Riley Stearns directed it, and um, Riley Stearns also directed Faults, which is an amazing movie. Oh, Fault is great. That's the one with what's her face?

Brunette to marry Elizabeth Winstead? Right, yes, yes, very good. Okay, so double is very good. It's about it's Karen, do you a l I was looking out. I was thought you said, do well with it?

Oh, well, I think it's really it's not your fault. You said the same exact word. I think it might be a play on things because it's about it's a it's about a woman who gets a clone. In the clone it basically, if you're terminally ill in this world, you can create a clone of yourself to help your family members. So this woman thinks that she's terminally ill, so she clearates a clone and then realized she's not going to die.

So there's two of them and then they have to fight to the death to see which one is allowed to stay. It's very good. Where did you watch this? Um? We might have rented it.

Okay, I don't I don't remember. Maybe it's on Amazon. Okay. I am wildly intrigued by this concept. Yeah, it's been on my radar for a while because I love her.

But I also i'd heard people speak so highly of Riley Stearns because he has another one, The Art of Self Defense, which I still haven't seen. Um, and I was like, I gotta start watching these. So I actively was like, I gotta sit in watch this. It h's so good and here's to be on Hulu. So oh, okay, yeah you would like it.

Okay, I'm definitely gonna give it a go. Um. As you said, Duel, I think a good transition from that is Dune. Three out of four of the same letters right there, due like the one that the Timothy Shallom, Yes, the Timota shaalomee Dune. Uh.

So I read the book. I decided I was like, you know, like I tried to get through those big lists of like you know, the best sci fi, the best horror, like the you know, best genre books of stuff, and I'm like, ah, all right, let me try, let me try Dune. It's because it's I think the best selling sci fi novel of all time, or one of them, and it's very long, and so I specifically timed it to read it, like when I was on vacation and when i'd be on a plane where it was like, Okay, I have to just I'm gonna have this be the only new book on my kindle where I'm just gonna force myself to read it. And the book has kind of up and down, like I'm gonna give another book or two a try to see if I still want to go with the series.

But the first book it's a it's a it's a marathon, I'd say, um. And so I decided like, all right, well, as I'm doing this, let me also watch the movie because it will help give some kind of visual contacts. So I this is the new one. I have not seen the David Kronenberg David Kronenberg, David Lynch one. I'm going to It's on Netflix.

Um. But so I decided to give this one a go. And UM, you didn't see it, did you? Yes? It did?

Oh it did? Um, So what are your science on it? Um? I liked it. I mean there are a lot of cultural issues with it.

Sure, there's anything that anybody smarter than me and with more knowledge has said about it. I completely agree with Yeah, um, but as like a movie that existed to be in my eyes, UM, I liked it a lot. Yes, it's gorgeous, it really does. The visuals of that movie are incredible. Uh, if you, you know, have any kind of eye for that, or if you read the book and wanted to see it, Um, it does a magnificent job of some of that.

The costume are amazing, really well cast. Everybody is good, everybody is interesting. I agree that there, and I think that is something that the books address because it is, at least from the first book and movie, it feels very much of a white Savior story, and nothing about that movie says otherwise. But I believe that that kind of gets challenged as the books goes on. So I assume the same thing will happen with the movies, and that I believe you're right because I there's Um.

I wish that I could remember who wrote them and where they are. So is the internet. Somebody wrote a really great set of pieces about it. I guess it's not necessarily the white Savior issue, which but I think she did address that. That's not that's not her issue with it.

It's I think the fact that it's using that when it was originally I could be butchering this thesis, but it was originally written. It was written to like embrace that area of the world, that middle type of but there aren't actually any actors representative from that there. Everyone's just generic brown. Yes. And also the music.

I feel people find the music a little bit culturally appropriative, considering that they're not actually like, they're not representing that culture. They're doing this like homogenized thing, but they're also still pulling from that culture. So it's it's a weird dance. And again, I'm not going to claim to I don't know a lot about this, but it's definitely something to think about because I did enjoy it quite a bit. I liked the story.

I like the way it looked. I thought everybody looked cool. Casting was good, it was intense, Like I think I bought it. I own it, like, but I do hear the criticisms of it, and I do understand where they come from. Yeah, no, I would agree.

It is very much a story that is bridging things, and you know, it is essentially even though it is obviously a different planets, it is inspired by the Middle East. Is inspired by the oil industry and everything, and yes, then you have the our Bardam and Zendia like it is. Yeah, yeah, well we'll see maybe they will address that or deal with it. But yes, I would not. I could not defend that.

That is absolutely truth of that movie. But yeah, but that's you know, movies were complex because I absolutely enjoyed it, Like, I loved the way it looked. Oscar Isaac was great in it. I just it was strange. I'm looking forward to the next one, so I guess same, same, same, All right, give me another one I watched.

Is this. I guess we could call this drama because I don't really have much action, so I'll just slump it in together. So this is uh sissu si s u. I don't know. I feel like I'm seeing this somewhere, like the the image makes sense, but I don't know why.

Who was just talking about this or is this new? This is new? It's from I think it's from twenty two. It says it's from twenty twenty two, but I don't know where when it got widely available. He's very dirty, like the poster, like I think of her friend Jason Fazzi, who like can't handle when character is like actors are dirty in movies.

And I'm looking at that poster and I'm like, oh no, he can't see this, so this is not for him. Then it's about It's about a guy who's panning for gold. Um, and he he runs into some Nazis. I've watched a lot of movies with accidental Nazis recently. Um.

He happens upon some Nazis, and the Nazis like do their awful Nazi thing and like harass him, try to kill him, take his gold, beat him up, all that jazz, and then he just absolutely unleashes hell fire upon them and murders them. All very elaborates. So I think somebody Zack said. Somebody said, oh so like john Wick but like in the past or whatever, but like no, but kind of. There's also a dog in it, and the dog is fine.

The dogs, the dog, the dog is perfect. Okay, Please if you watch this movie, know that the dog is okay, because if I didn't know that, I probably wouldn't have been able to get through it. Yeah, do you recommend it? Yes? Highly, It's really fun.

It was a good action movie. It was very satisfying. It was fun to watch. Nice, Nice. I have a on the complete flip side of that, something that was not at all an action movie, Neil Simon's California Sweet from nineteen seventy something.

So Neil Simon had written several different plays along these lines, and this was It is basically set in a hotel in Los Angeles, and it's the various guests at the hotel. Miscast, Maggie Smith, Michael Caine, Richard Pryor, Litli Closby, who else is in there? M Jane Fonda, Alan Alna, like roh and Walter math Ou, ridiculous, ridiculously exciting cast. It's a movie that Brandon has a fondness for. I didn't look it at all.

It's very I mean it is based on a play, and the play is just basically different characters in this hotel who are going through different things. It's very and this is deliberate, totally uneven, so Bill Cosby and Richard Pryor, it's pure slapstick. And then the Jane Fonda Alan Alda is like just this divorce couple who are like having a conversation about their daughter, and it's just it's a lot of anytime you'd sort of like kind of get into a segment to them. The next segment is so wildly different. Some things are great about it.

The Michael Caine Maggie Smith's stuff is fabulous. She is an she's a like theater actress who's nominated for an Oscar. So she's going to the Oscars and he's her husband. And I don't think this is a spoiler, because I think it's pretty obvious early on he is gay and it's a marriage of convenience. But there's also this tenderness between them and this and like that's beautiful.

Like their scenes are incredible. I think she either was nominated or won an Oscar for it like this, it's it's a beautiful short movie itself. But then you cut to Richard Fryer and Bill Cosby doing slapstick and being awful to each other. And then Walter Mathou cheating on a Lane fucking May. How I mean, you are Walter Mathou and you were married to a Lane May and you were cheating on her with a sex worker, And even that it's like very like, oh, the sex worker won't leave the hotel room shananigans and like it's not well, I don't know.

It didn't age well for me, but there's some really good performances within. Now. Yeah, it seemed to be tough with with stuff like that too, and that's such like a fun concept that, yes, but like also there's a lot of risks, like you risk what happened, I think to you, like that flash quality of like what the Tonal show. Yes, yeah, and it didn't work for me in the way that was kind of spaced out. I get it.

That's a good cast though. Oh it's such a good cast it. I mean, it's like sickening because you're just like what in them? And there's more people that it can't even remember, but they're all fat. Let's see, I have I have something U how to blow up a pipeline.

I've heard fantastic things about this. Tell me your thoughts. Loved it, nice, loved it from the director of Cam the Wonderful, The Wonderful movie. That's it. I knew this director had done something that was really good.

And I remember That's why, aside from it being a cool title, I was I kept remembering, oh, yeah, I should see that, because it's the guy who did the thing of what was the thing I can't remember the thing. Ah, that is wildly exciting to see the cam guy do something new. It's so good. Yeah, it's really it's like, it's really serious. It strikes an amazing balance, which I think Cam did as well.

It's super serious and it's about really like upsetting real world dire things, but it's also fun to watch. It doesn't feel like you're being tortured or lectured. It doesn't feel like a slog it's really it's really great. That's excite. Yeah.

I love when you you see a movie you love that's from a young filmmaker. Any you love the movie, you're so excited for what the filmmaker can do next, and they do something great that is exciting. Yep, it really really is. Its exceeded my expectations, and my expectations were high, and it seems to be getting really a lot of enthusiastic attention. Yeah.

I've noticed that too. I'm happy about it too, because it's like it is a message movie, you know, so it's cool that people are like either okay with the message or not put off by like the extremist views Church rate, and I mean it's all right there in the title. Yes, that's what it's about. Okay, the next I think it's probably my last of the non horror movies or tv um a movie. So I have a saga with this movie.

I had never seen it, even though it's a pretty well known and an important movie for for a lot of reasons that will be clear in a moment. And Rannon had like a DVD he had burned of it, and we tried watching it about four years ago and the disc was skipping and we couldn't do it. Okay, fine, we rented it from Netflix on disk and it wasn't working, and then it was on Canopy and I started watching it. We were about thirty five minutes into it, and then Canopy just started like freaking out on us and would not let us resume the movie. So it was cursed.

But I'm like, I really need to see this. It's it's an important film in Cannon. So for Christmas, I just got it for him on Blu Ray, hoping that that would be the thing that would that would make it work, and it did. So finally we got to sit down and watch Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Oh, I haven't seen it in decades, probably I would love for you to rewatch it fairly soon.

Now, I will say I've never seen tuwang Fu, which in my head, these always like I'm sure many people I got them confused because most of them are about three drag queens on a road trip, and that's all I kind of knew about both of them. This movie is so it's really fascinating because it is a side like there is language that you just you would use differently today. Um, you would probably not cast three cis gender by my knowledge, straight men in in these roles. But aside from like those aspects, it is so current. Um, it does not feel dated in any way.

Um it is. Yes, these are three uh straight sis gender men playing characters that are not including a character who is a trans woman. Um, but they do it so beautifully. They are so good. Um what's his name?

So it's Terence Stamp who is playing, um, the transgender woman, and he is lovely. Um and like reading about kind of a little bit about behind scenes where he was, he was all into it. He was totally for it. He was actually really mad when he saw the movie and saw that he didn't look the way he thought he didn't like in his mind, when he was with his makeup, he thought he looked a certain way as that character. And then seeing that this character is sort of portrayed as she is not as as beautiful as you know she wants to be, and that like upset him, and um, it's and what's his name?

Was? Who's the young guy? It's Russell Russell Crowe, not Russell Crowe. The other one, the one that isn't Russell Crowe, but that was in La Confidential. What the hell is his name?

You know who I mean? Guy Piers, Guy Pierce his name is. That's why, well, that's why I couldn't get it, because all for years I just always paired him with Russell Crowe in my head. That's why. Um, he's so good.

And I don't know enough about the behind the scenes. I can't imagine that was a role that his agents wanted him to take. Because if you watch that movie back then, when you you know cast things very you got typecast very quickly. Um, he plays that part of a young drag queen beautifully and and he's and messy and mean, and I don't know, I was really taken by it, and I didn't quite know what I would get with it, but it is pretty fabulous. I should rewatch it.

That and Priscilla because Priscilla no long Food Long Food. Yes, I did just said what you just said. I used to. I've only seen Priscilla like once or twice, I think. But Long Food was on TV.

Deal, Yeah it was. Yeah, And I've seen it like in bits and pieces and probably all the way through like a handful of times, but like a long time ago. So I don't I don't have real living memories of them anymore. And I think it's really interesting to watch today because it is a you know, it is was made and set and whatever. It was ninety three, um in Australia, so it is a little bit of a cultural difference, and they are in the city and then the most of the movie is them you know, across the out back and just in small towns and rural areas.

But it is really it does not feel dated. It feels again they use some words that today you don't use those words, but the like the nature of this story is still completely applies I think. Um, I mean, I am saying this as a Straights as gender a woman, so I don't want to you know, speak for a community that I am not that I support but I'm not part of. But to me as somebody watching it, I was really taken by it. Well, i'll have to prioritize it.

I know, Zack spun I'm going to watch it, so i'd say it's on canopy. But I don't know if you canopy to work for me? You know, did your library change? Maybe? I think I have to like uninstall and red.

I don't know. I haven't done anything. I know like it hurt me when because I was in New York Public Library and they got rid of it. Um. But then I can get it now through my I think I've bragged about this before.

I have two library cards, New York Public Library and the Westchester Library System. So I don't know if that's illegal or not, but I can. I can watch it through Westchester. Well I'm glad you still have a way. Yeah, I was various.

I did not want to give up my New York Public Library card because it has lines on it. It's very classy, very classy I had. I had a Seattle Public Library card and then I moved and had to just get like whatever county. I was like whatever, even though Seattle technically is in that county, so I could. When I was in Seattle, I could have stacked, but now I can't.

I know I could have stacked. I was. I was freaking out because there was a like letter that came in the mail or it was basically like I was notified that my library card was expiring, and it was right as I moved. I was like, oh no, I don't. I don't have mail that I can't lie about where I live.

Now they're gonna take it away. But it was also during the pandemic, so it was very easy to say, like, okay, but I can't get to a library. So what do we do? And they did it by email and I was okay, So I have another like ten years at least of near a public Claybry, Oh god, no support your library people support Right? Do you have more drama or actually I have?

I think I have one more. I've been watching a lot of movies, so I'm cutting some stuff out. I don't know. I think I'm finally this is This is truly how I cope. There are some days where I just rewatched three or four movies I've already seen.

But that being said, I watched a movie new to me that changed my life. This is one of every so often, actually there's maybe two or three on this list, but this is the non horror one. Every so often you see a movie and you go, my life is different now because I've seen this movie. And shockingly, that movie is Master and Commander the fin Yeah, good to the Dad Club. I could not believe how amazing this movie it is.

It's so fucking good and it has no right to be as enjoyable as it is. I think that's the thing. It is. Somehow, this two and a half hour movie about dudes in the eighteen hundreds on a boat. It is.

It feels like it was written by and made for dads, and yet it is so riveting. It's it's Russell Crowe is just tremendous um and this um let me see, I'm trying to toggle my thing. Yeah. So this led to me watching three, five, twelve Russell Crowe movies and like wow, and like a month a half a month, and none of them were Priscillaqui of the Desert. Oh wait that was Guy Pierce.

Oh man, I missed out. Yeah, I just I loved it. I want I'm biding my time so I can watch it again. I just want to give it a little bit of breathing room. I was shocked.

It's it's like poetry. It's so poignant and so watchable and just really romantic. Yeah, it's this beautiful friendship between two men who respect each other. Oh, exactly, so good and it's funny because that is my favorite. Like I love reading about that world and era I love.

I have always been interested in explorers. I love the idea of boats. I love reading about men who usually it's men who were on boats between fifteen hundred and eighteen fifties and they whether it was wailing or whether it was exploring or what. And all the syphilis and all the all the scurvy, like all the hell they go through, the cannibalism that eventually happens everywhere. Like to me, it's so interesting on the page, and it's so disapp pointing on film because it's never done well.

It's never it's never dirty enough, it never really brings out what is so interesting about the details of these things. And that's another reason why I think Master Cock Matter is that good because as a film it does it is I haven't read those books, but it feels like this is really bringing to life what was on the page. Yeah, yeah, it's It's so if you've never seen it, I can't recommend it enough. I don't think that it would. I don't think it appeals to a specific kind of person.

I think it's just a good movie. Yeah, so if you like watching good things like here you Go, It's one of those I'm trying to think of, like what I always put on this list, like The Princess Bride or A League of their Own, like movies that really are for everyone. Yeah, I feel the dreams. I feel dreams. Yes, these like broad populist stories that somehow like you know that if you're a you're in the worst wedding table or dinner party, and like, oh god, I got to talk to people that I have nothing in common with, they're on different political sides than me, and so on and so on.

Do you guys ever see Master and Commander and I guarantee you'll all suddenly be friends? It Really, it really does feel like that kind of kind of movie. Yeah, I'm shocked at how many people feel so passionately, passionately about it. I mean, I'm twenty years late to the party. So the fact that most people were I mean it was it wasn't a It's kind of misremembered as being a flop.

It it didn't make its budget because it was a huge budget. It got a lot of Oscar nominations because I think the people that saw it were like this, it was kind of it reminds me of Shosh and Redemption in that way where it didn't work on screen. It took way too much word of mouth for people to realize how good it was, and by that point it was a DVD, cable and so on and so on. But today it is beloved as it should be. I'm glad I watched it.

Yeah, me too. What a fun first time watch for you? Yeah, I know. I had a couple of really good ones this this time around. Nice.

Nice. Do you have more that aren't horror? Well? I have one that I think that toes a line and I'm going to throw it here because I don't want to tip too far what it is, because I didn't know what it was about and I don't want to spoil. Okay, um, so it is nineteen ninety nine The Fourth Floor and its Stars.

Juliette Lewis and William Hurt. Oh, and Tobin Bell is also in it. Well he's the killer obviously. Well he's the killer. I don't know this movie at all, but this is what happened.

We watched Malice. Well, as soon as we saw Tobin Bell's name and the credits, we're like, oh, okay, well that part of the movie is solved. So yeah, very the lead much lady. Well, oh, she's not in it as much as you want. Yeah, she's like third build on IMDb.

But I think that that maybe he's a bit miss leading to how much she's actually in it. But it's about a woman who moves in to an apartment building, which is my favorite thing other than submarines. You got a late like the Sentinels. You got a lady in a building. Let's go.

So she lives in this building and it's very weird things happen, and it's to me it was about paranoia, female terror, constantly feeling like you're being attacked from the outside. Okay, it's on to be nice. That seems about right, um. But I gave it five stars, which might be a bit of an exaggeration. It just worked really well for me and if and if you do like like people in an apartment or like haunted buildings.

Not to say that this building's haunted, but it has that energy that like spooky, yeah you know what like that stuff. Yeah, this is this is a fun one of those. Okay, very nice. I will seek it out. I've it's weird because I feel like nineteen ninety nine, I should have heard of it because I was reading newspapers a lot back then, but it's very unfamiliar to me.

That's kind of how I felt, not to go on a tangent. I was like, okay, so what are the chance what's the over under on this actually being good? Because if I've never if it's about a building, it's a thriller or whatever, like with Juliet Lewis, who really big name at that at that each, So what's the over under on it being any good? Like it's it's probably trash garbage. That's why I've never heard of it, but we I was like, okay, let's give it ten minutes.

And then it really hit me like, oh, I've seen versions of this movie a million times, but never with a female lead. It's it's it's like a classic nineties thriller, but with a woman with like agency and who's doing stuff. So I don't know why it wasn't constantly on TV or like on those four old four pack DVDs you would get it like calm and something else. Well, I'll seek it out. I'm intrigued.

All right. Well, I think that's it and the rest for me, I believe it's all horror. Okay. I like how neither one of us really had comedy up here? Yeah, well, I don't like I don't want to laugh.

I'll go some TV because I do have a couple of TV things that I I keep starting shows and forgetting that I've started them, and then like, I'll get distracted one day with something else and then it three weeks later, I'm like, oh, I still didn't finish Dead Ringers. So I did wrap up a few, So dead Ringers was one. That's the Amazon show with Rachel Weiss. Are you have you watched it? Or you gonna watch it?

Um? I've heard wildly mixed things on it. I might watch it. I don't watch Cronenberg stuff as a rule. Um, it just scares me too much.

Um, I mean, this isn't It's not Cronenberg. It is based on the film, but it is a completely different team. It makes me scared, though, So I am I'm kind of giving it a mixture. I'm one of those mixed people. I really admire it.

I would say I respect it. Rachel Weiss is so good and I think she's always she's always She's one of those like she's usually pretty good. She was said this was kind of her idea. Apparently she was watching the original film like and kind of thought like, Hey, I wonder if you could tell this story. But it's how different would it be if it was I could play twins?

Yeah, let me call my writing like producer and have and have them make this for me. So I respect that, and it is you feel like it is very female driven, uh a. Karen Kasama directed. I think like two or three of the episodes. It's very like brutal and honest about childbirth and pregnancy and what women go through, so which I really and again I am somebody who has not gone through that, is not going to go through that, but I admire how they put that out there in a really raw way of not sugarcoating things and not kind of being very aggressive about how incredible and terrifying the pregnancy is.

If that is something that upsets you, and if and this is to everybody out there, if you have a hard time with anything pregnancy body related, which is understandable, this is not the show for you, because you see a lot of things that you that you probably have never seen before. There are reasons why. And it is also the challenge for me with this the reason why I'm not you know, kind of singing its praise off the rooftop. Is it similar to the Cronenberg film. There is a coldness about it that for me, I had a ultimately is the reason why I didn't look forward to watching the next episode.

Like each time I was like, oh that was in Towens, Okay, all right, I'll watch the next episode. It um there is no very little warmth to it. And that makes sense. These the nature of these characters is that they are kind of uh, they are both missing something and they are kind of there's there's a part of that morality I guess that just isn't in them, so it is hard to fully care about either of them. I think, yeah, yeah, it's and that that is something that I think can turn people off and I get it.

So I think it's worth watching because it is. It's very good television. It is taking swings, it is doing things that I have not seen done before. But I didn't wholeheartedly love it the way maybe I thought I would, And I think it just it is deliberately putting a bit of a wall up, and I respect to that wall, but that wall made it a little bit difficult for me to like, really really like it ended. And I was like, okay, well, I'm okay, I'm done get that.

Yeah, I might watch it. I mean, like you said, there's just there's so much stuff, and I, yeah, it's hard for me to stick with something from front to back anymore, Like I tend to kind of drift away, ye, which is not what I want. It's not the experience I want. Yeah, And it's it's not that long. I think it's six episodes our each, so it's not that much content, and it is one season.

It wouldn't make sense for her to come back for a lot of different reasons. But it is hefty, and it's to me, it is not binge able. It is not a show that, oh, okay, I got nothing to do. Sunday I'll just watch the whole thing. I don't think you would feel great doing that for a lot of different reasons.

Oh, I'm sure I'll get to it maybe, and it'll be fifteen years from now. Yeah. I like the next time they remake it because I could see somebody telling the story again differently. And they do a lot of it's not just the girl Dead Ringers like they They find a lot that you couldn't have done with it being the Jeremy Irons characters. So yeah, there's a lot to respect about it.

It's just I think hard to love. I respect to you, but do I love you that kind of thing? I look, I get it. Yeah. I have two other TV things on very different notes, on the kind of opposite side of Heavy Duty, you know, Acting Royalty.

I have two comedies, both on streaming. One was on the Freevy was that it? Yeah? So I watched Jury Duty. Oh I've heard the people talking about this.

Yes, yeah, I was hesitant to watch it because I morally didn't know how I felt about it. The concept of Jury Duty, which they tell you in the first episode, is that it is essentially a sort of office like reality thing of there's a jury there's a somebody's doing a documentary. There's like an actual jury for a case and they are doing a documentary of it. So everybody on that jury duty is you know, talking to the camera and everything, but actually everybody is an actor except for one guy who does not know that everybody else is an actor. He knows he's being filmed because he's obviously talking to the camera on that, but he does not know that everything is essentially manipulated and everybody around him are all improvisers.

James Marsden is in it as himself, and he is I've always loved James mars and I've always said he's an incredibly underrated, underused actor who makes everything he's in better. And he gets to play a version of James marsin as like the Hollywood asshole, and he's really delicious to watch. And I was explained like the premise of it to Brannon and he looks at me and he just shakes his head. He's like, that sounds wrong. I'm like, I know, it does right, except it's not because of like they clearly were very careful about who they chose and cast as the you know, the non actor, and he's just he's a really like pleasant guy and the nature of the show is very much about kind of crazy things happening and how he sort of always kind of like reacts to them really well and like helps the people around him and seems to like always have his heart in the right place and always makes the right decision.

So it's it's a strange premise obviously. Yeah, it's definitely very weird, but I kind of like it. I would love for you to watch it. I think you would enjoy it. And I mean it's the episodes are like twenty minutes, and I think there's I think it's ten episodes in total.

And this is one that they took me like a month to watch just because I kept forgetting about it because it's un freeze. So I would kind to throw it on in the background, and it is. It works, Like I think this could not work, but I think ultimately it does work, and there are there are things that are very funny. Um and it it felt good. It felt like you left it feeling better than you might have.

And it could have gone very wrong, but I don't think it did. I think it was a a successful and weirdly sweet exercise. Well, that's that's good to know because it's something that that Zach has wanted to watch. So we've been it's been like kicked around a little bit. Maybe I'll actually like go like yeah, like the watch that because I you know that type of thing.

Like I don't not that it seemed mean spirited, but like there's the opportunity for things to be kind of like punchy down. Yes, completely, it's that set up, you know, yes, um, And I mean I don't like the idea of it in many ways, like I think, um playing essentially, I don't like Frank, I'm not please don't prank me. I don't like that. I think whenever you were sort of putting somebody in a position that they didn't ask to me. And although like you can argue like no, no, he knew he was doing a documentary, so it wasn't like he went to jury duty and suddenly was being forced against his will to do this.

Like there was a little aspect of like him, he must have known some things. But it works because you can tell like they aren't like the goal of this show was clearly to keep this guy safe, to tell the story, but to also I don't like there's no like they didn't want that. They're not They're never making fun of him, and they're never he's never the butt of the joke. So and like the last episode, especially where they kind of, you know, it's not a spoiler, where like he finds out and the whole episode is like them kind of walking through some of the things that almost went wrong and him like realizing things, and it it feels good in the end, and I think, like, you know, he's gone on record and the re use and seemed to have taken a lot away from it in a pap a way.

So it's I would say it is it is a recommend cool, Okay. Yeah, And the last TV thing I had was a History of the World Part two on Hulu. Do you know? Yeah? Did you want any of it?

No? But I do know that it exists, So I had to pause for a minute and think about whether I knew. I I mean, I don't always know when new things are on anymore because there's just so many different places for them to be. But this Brandon is a bigger mel Brooks fan than I am. I really like mel Brooks as a person, I really respect him as somebody.

When he when he talks, when he gives speeches, I love it. I just don't always directly connect to his humor, and that's been my whole life. Um So, and this is I don't know how much of this he wrote. I think it's more you know, younger comedians writing it and him kind of being there for it. But it feels in tune to him.

I enjoyed a lot of this, Like the first episode, we were both cracking up out loud. I think it some of the things go on too long, which is not surprising from mill Brooks property, even even as directly mel Brooks. I think there's a little bit of diminishing returns. I think, um some all they're sort of different stories that get stretched out, and most of them I think could have been the one episode, one thing, and it would have been great. I would have rather twenty of those rather than eight of the ones that got dragged on for episode and episode and episode, because some of the jokes just got pretty repetitive.

So a little bit of dimission returns. But overall, it was fun, it was light, it was a lot of communic community actors you probably like doing pretty cool things. So it's a recommend again not groundbreaking, but you will laugh, so that's always nice. Sometimes sometimes you just I find that I don't find most comedies funny anymore. Same, yes, and I it's hit or miss, and especially in this kind.

And I would say, like, again, the first episode, we were both actively laughing out loud. I think for me, by the fifth episode, I was there'd be full episodes where I'd kind of chuckle um, but then there'd be ups and downs from that point on. So ye, did you have any TV um, nothing that I can think of. We we occasionally watched stuff like I'm still watching poker Face. I have one episode, and I watched the entire the entire new season of I Think you Should Leave in one evening and then started to watch the first season again.

I really like that. Shall I know what I think you should leave is it's it's Tim Robins, That's Robinson that it's those memes like the hot Dog Guy and I've Got too much shit on me and all that stuff. You're saying things like I'm sure everybody listening is like, oh, yeah, that guy, And I'm like, I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. If you don't know what it is you don't know what it is, but uh, it's it's very memed. Now people can make jokes and allusions to it a lot.

I think it's very funny. It's kind of I guess cringe humor. I don't know if people use that to describe it, but yeah, it's it's it's it's people being socially awkward. I think why I like, I think you should leave is because it's almost like it's a challenge to our social contracts, like, oh, we decided that this is what you do at a stoplight, or we decided this is how you act in someone's house. What if someone decided that you didn't do that?

And it's absolutely absurd because of it. But that's what what I had, what I had watched recently. But I don't usually do a lot of TV. Did you finish season two of Yellowjackets? Oh?

I did do that. I do too, I forgot about it. How did you feel about season two? Not not as enjoyable as season one? Yeah, I think the novelty is certainly a little bit faded.

And I think for me, and this is probably true, it was a little bit true of the first season two. I just i'd be happy if the entire thing was on in the woods. And the adult stuff hasn't fully jelled for me, even though my gosh, I love those women, but I don't think it feels the adult stuff feels very wheel spinning, and I'm just I'm hoping and hoping and hoping that they know what they're doing. And I feel they kind of tried to clean some things up at the end of the season. I don't know.

Yeah, I had real, like well formed, cogent complaints about it after we finished it up, and then I think I just dumped everything out, but it did it just for me. I didn't feel the same intensity and connection. And I also felt like the music was poorly used this season. It feels so mean to say that, but I mean, like just some of those needle drops, and because none of it was this thought out or as celebrate or as fun as the first season, everything in the first season felt. The first season felt like a revelation, like sure, there might have been clunky parts and stuff, but it was like, this is I am being spoken to through this, And this second season felt like it lacked power and I can't really like I can pull out a script in a red pen and tell you what didn't didn't work for me.

But it's just an overall feeling of like, yeah, and now that's fair. And I don't know. Maybe it's because they didn't have a lot of time, or maybe because they were trying to appease too many different aspects now like, but it just didn't feel as authentic as that first season did. Yeah, and it's a it's a tough type of show because it's a show that so much of its excitement is that early premise. And now because like I think, to what is worrying to me?

And I do want to believe them when they say we know exactly what we're doing. It's a five season an arc. We have it all plotted out. I want to believe that. I really do hope that's true, because right now I couldn't tell you what it's not what it's about.

But like where it's there's something a cohesive thing missing with it, at least with the adult versions of them, I think now, Like I like where it ended with the in the in nineteen ninety six, um, like I could still see another three years of that story being told. But I have absolutely no real idea what is happening in twenty and twenty one on that show or why it matters, and like the show did a big swing, like like I won't I don't want to spoil it, but like basically a really big thing happened at the very end, and I'm I like that they did that because I think it was something had to happen in that timeline. But also that worries me because I feel like that takes away the most potent acually interesting part of that group.

So so I was trying to get to it on IMDb as fast as I could while we were talking. Okay, so I think I might be right. So this second season was was only eight episodes, Yeah, right, nine episodes, so it's missing an episode, Yeah, it feels it. And and then but I had seen and I could be completely making this up. I had seen that there was going to be an episode airing later to like Bridge season two and season three.

I could be I don't know where I thought I could be making this up. But if that's true, that to me makes a lot of sense, because I saw a couple of people with the sentiment of kind of like oh, I didn't realize that was the finale and it felt weird. It did even though a big thing happens, it happens at a weird time in the episode to where I like it did, and I was I was unclear whether that was I'm like, that has to be it because you wouldn't do that to that character, or if this wasn't the finale but doesn't feel like a finale, so that makes sense, So I don't So I don't know if they're gonna kind of walk anything back or re explain things, but it's just there was like the season one was really strong with the with the Jackie stuff, and then yeah, I think that we abandoned that stuff way too quick in season two.

And I'm starting to really enjoy characters that aren't the air quotes main characters. And that's always kind of emblematic of something when when I'm like, Oh, what's what's uh Sewana's husband up to? Jeff r Yeah, what what's he up to? Yeah? I shouldn't be like that excited about such an ancillary character, and the fact that they abandoned so much of the stuff with Teddy's family, like that whole thing, Like, on one hand, that's been my least favorite aspect of the show from the beginning.

Yeah, it's just it's one of those complicated things where I'm like, as the viewer, I'm like, oh, right, I'm happy she she won the Congress. Oh but no, she really can't handle it. But I don't want her to not be able to handle it because well, like so it's like it puts you in that exact uncomfortable position, but it's also so fucked up. But the show isn't treating it as being as fucked up as it is, Like we don't know if her wife is alive or not. That's crazy.

It just seems like we spent a lot of time, Yeah, in in areas where I don't know that it was necessary. If it wasn't, why did we spend so much time on this very unpleasant story. Yeah, all the stuff with the with the coach, I feel like it was interesting, but I don't know that we got far enough with it season. I don't know. It's it's hard to critique something that I still like, Like, I still very much enjoy it, but like, I don't know, Well, you made a good point about the Jackie stuff, because I think that did leave a hole.

I think he's an Ella Purnell is really good. I think that character was so well conceived and I love that. I think it's funny. I was listening to a podcast I was talking about young adult and we're talking about the like the thing that we as a culture, especially like gay culture, has kind of taken on of like how much we love mean popular girls now. And it used to be they were the enemy, but today, like we've kind of all like come around to understand.

You're like no, but like there was a reason we all like wanted to like them and wanted them to like us. It's they have that thing. I don't know what it is, and I think that character did. And yet that character also got to like go on a journey and we got to see how Jackie, like her lose her power and all of that was so interesting and that actress is great and riveting and now she's gone, and I think that did leave a big hole. Yeah, and one final thing, I'll just say, so we don't get stuck on forever.

But I'm curious if you feel the same way. I think I love all the girls, both adult and child like. That's not I'm not saying anything otherwise, but I have I feel like there's a really big difference between the Misties, and it's really hard for me to rectify what's going on. I feel like Sean the Seana is have they're like shaking hands through time. Like present Shanna is a very good reflection of past Shanna, and when you learn things about past Shanna, it makes present Sean and make more sense.

Yeah, the same I think can be said for Van. The same can be said, like for Lottie. I just don't get it with Misty, and it bothers me because I love her and I just don't get her. A Tabin character, well, I can tell you there is. I will kind of withhold some of that for another season or two because I think the Misty of it all is one of those eighty is such an extreme of a character because we have seen her her do pretty dream things, and there is so much.

I think there's a little bit of that problem of introducing a character who's going to be villainous, but then not being able to commit to it because of your actors. And it's like Christina Ricci and that first episode is torturing an elderly woman in this facility, and yet by the end of the season we're like, oh, but she loves cats, isn't she Missy so wild? Like there's a lot of inconsistency on I think morally what we're supposed to make of her, because I don't think the show is decided, and whenever you're dealing with teenage outcast, it's a little bit of what I'm gonna call the Fat Carrey problem of how shows inability or media's inability to ever really do a good job of conveying a teenage girl who doesn't fit in because they always ultimately can't cast an actor who is an attract So to for Missy to be like this really fucked up kid, it it asks a lot when um, there isn't enough time to really explore that, I think.

So I don't know. I don't know for me that it's the to the actor mismatch, or just that that is a character or that is a little bit too ridiculous. And I don't think the show has figured out what she is yet. I'm willing to stick with it and see see what happens, but I would like it to shake out at some point. I'm with you.

I'm with you, all right, So would you like to take a quick break and come back and talk about our horror watching. Let's do it. Let's do it. Look at me, I'm as helpless as a kidding Betree, and I feel like I'm clinging to a cloud. I can't understand.

I get missed. Just holding you and we're back. So I have a couple of horror movies that I watched. I bet you have a couple of horror movies that you watched that I do. All right, How'm exciting.

Now we're gonna say at the start one of those movies that I watched, we're gonna save to the end because we're gonna probably spoil it. And that is screen six. So if you were listening to this episode thinking when did they get to screen sex, it is going to be the end of the episode. So before then, throw one at me. What you got.

Well, I wat watched Warlock for the first time. Oh, I have a lot of memories of watching Warlock in the nineties. Yeah, I somehow it has completely completely missed me. It's like it was a lot, must have been on TV a lot. Yeah.

Zach kind of had a similar thing. It was it was like positioned like, yeah, I haven't seen Warlock in a million years, and I'm like, well, yeah, I've never I actually don't even really know what it's about. Well, it's about a Warlock. I can tell you that much right there. And he's Laura singer.

Because I'm in my head, I'm like, if Laura's singer is aging crazy? Right? Um? Yes, yeah, it's a I've never realized. It's a crazy writer director too.

It's Stephen Miner of following H two, Oh Frank the Thirteenth Part two and David Choie I know that name wrote it. So he also did a lot of like, oh, the Riddick movies. Oh, in a Perfect Getaway? Okay, yep, sorry, he's currently my most watched writer of er how many times is that you rewatching a Perfect Getaway? Not?

I haven't watched it again yet this year. It's time, though, it's time. It's always time for a Perfect get Away. So tell me what you thought about Warlock. This movie is cool?

Yeah, I liked it a lot. Um, it's I think my seventh Mary warn offf movie the year. Nice. That's that's that's good stuff. Yeah, you're doing it right, I love her.

When it opens, I was like, oh, so Julian Sands is clearly the good guy, right because I didn't they were being mean to that warlock and I didn't. But then he's bad, and like, I get it. But that's all this to say. Richardy Grant's really good in it, and they're really hot. I forget.

He's like the romantic lead right, Like he is kind of he's the hero of the movie. And there's like a sweet, little like Chase romance in it that I really loved. I don't know, it was good. I always loved Lori Singer. Yeah, she was good and fun and relatable and and there is that old gag with her but it doesn't go on too long.

Um. Yeah, I liked it a lot. It's a high recommend. A few know. It has probably been twenty plus years since I've watched it.

I need to fix that. I'm very curious to see how that ages. The love story is so cute, nice, very nice. Um let me see from roughly the same era. Okay.

So, I believe I've talked before about my teenage niece and her like journey through horror movies. So every time she comes to visit, we watched Child's Play movie. This is her third visit. Which meant the number was up for Child's Play three. I like, I like the third one, so I don't dislike any Child's Play movie, but I like Child's Play three the least out of all of them.

I do think it is the least of the movies. It's it was rush. You could kind of feel it like it just it doesn't feel that complex compared to what would come after it, and even what it came before it. It just isn't um It's it's very quick, like even it's a short movie. That's fine, but it takes place over the course of like two days.

I think there are some interesting kernels of ideas in terms of the military, in terms of masculinity and things like that, but they just clearly had no time to develop anything. And it's very much a pretty straightforward chucky movie. It's it's not a waste of time by any means. You do have to see it when you're going through the whole process. There's the last sequence is pretty good.

It's you know, it is the least of them, but it is still not a bad way. When you think of every other or a franchise, child Way three being the worst in the series is still like head Above a lot of other of the of the middle of the back of our franchises. That's that's kind of when I said that one's okay, that's kind of what I meant. People will often say that it's the worst. Oh, Mike, Mike, just talk to me.

So, yeah, I didn't get weird U. So Hi, Hi, Jacky, Christine, I don't like it. Yeah, when people say it's the worst of them, I think that's that's a huge accomplishment, that you're worst, because when you when you go and watch it with that mindset. I think the last time we did a full franchise, Rewatch, I watched it with that in mind, and I went, oh, this is this is bad, and I also have something it's good about it too, And this is again don Nancini wrote Every Child's Way movie. It doesn't feel like it doesn't fit.

It fits into the story. And even the tone of it, which is two I think is a little stronger and just kind of the zaniness, but also it being a horror movie. Three does something similar. It's just not at that same volume. Uh So, there's aspects of it that are kind of tragic, and the movie deals with weight of it but then it's also like, you know, it is Chuckie cursing and doing his thing.

So it's it's fine, It's it's the middle. It's the middle. I would say it's a mediocre horror movie, which makes and that makes it a not great Chucky movie. But I don't think it's bad. What'd your what's your niece think?

I'm similar? She was kind of like, yeah, like, I definitely not as good as the other two. For her, part two is so far the most interesting. Um. She enjoyed that one the most, and like when three ended, I was like some thoughts and she was like that's fine.

I'm like, yeah, okay, that's kind of where it. Yeah, yeah, how exciting an exciting thing? Oh, I know, do you want to hear the other exciting one? We watched so the other. So she's like kind of going through franchises, and you know, I've given her some tips.

So Brandon and I were talking to her about the Univer and Elm Street films and she had watched one and I said, I'm like, you know what I'm gonna My advice would be to come back to two, to skip two for now, go one and then three because I think that tightens the story because it really you don't need to Yeah, it's you go Nancy, Nancy. So there's a through line. Um, But we didn't know for sure if she had done that yet. So when she came here, like we're gonna watch on the Nightmare Movies, and of course we looked at it, Me and Brianon looked at each other at the same time, and we say, wouldn't it be great if she was up to part And he said three? And I said four, because like most people, his favorite is three or his you know, the one after one, his favorite is three, And like a few people out there, and our legion is strong and growing, part four is our favorite.

So sure enough she was up to part four. So we got to watch The dream Master. So do you do you know what my favorite one is? Is your favorite one? New Nightmare?

Well? Yeah, my favorite one is New Nightmare? But I almost feel like that's a cheat at this point. It's kind it kind of is so meta, But I don't know. My favorite is New Nightmare.

But Freddie's Dead, I love Freddy's Dead has become my favorite recently. Isn't that weird? No? I mean, looking you're talking to of course not. I love Freddie's Dead because it is it is campy, and it is the John Waters Freddie movie and it is bizarre and doesn't make sense and is totally whacking.

Yeah, I hate it. And then and then I watched it completely separate from all the other ones, and I was like, oh no, this is so good. It's just it's especially after five, because five. To me, five is my least favorite of that entire franchise, aside from the remake. Five is my least favorite because five it has some good sequences, but I think five is just boring.

There is a tone to five that is not it's it's very down, it's very dour um, it's it's very serious. Child the dream Child. Yeah yeah, I don't really. I don't have any memory. I don't think of that one.

Nobody does. It's the one everybody forgets because it just feels um like gooey. It's just it just it, it goes on too long. It's trying to tell, like I think, because to like, you know, it's a pregnant character, like you feel like you have to can about her, but you also kind of know them, like, well, she'sn't really in danger because you know, it's nineteen ninety, we can't really hurt her. And all these like other things about it that I think affect that movie.

Um, and and so I think six Freddie's Bed, it's just such a breath of like, yeah, that didn't work, so we're going the complete other direction, which to most people's minds don't work. But to me it's fun. But Dreammaster, for me is my favorite. It is good. It's the MTV one.

It feels so cool for its time. Um, I think it has the Alice has a journey. It's clear from the beginning it's a character that like she she has agencies, she gets to grow, she gets to learn. Um. When it was overall, I looked at it, maybe, I'm like, so, what do you think She's like, so the movie was about friendship?

Oh my, yes, I never thought him in that way. But yes, She's like, yeah, it's about like how important all of these people were to her and now that's where she got her strength. I'm like, yeah, yeah, fuck yeah it was. Um, it's got the best sequences, it's got the cockroa, which like it's sany and weird. It's cheap, like you know, things went wrong, on set and they had to rush things.

But it works for me. It's for me, it's the most fun. It's it's a really good one. I enjoy that stretch. That three, four, yeah, five, five, I never think of I think it might be time to bust out the whole franchise again.

So I'm just prophlysicizing about how good the first one is. Yeah, I don't think we'd all know how good that movie I You know, I keep meaning I want to watch a new Nightmare again because I I don't remember the last time I sat down and watched at beginning to end, and I know that I I had like the first time I watched that movie, I started it like halfway through. It was on TV, and as a result, I have never given that movie a fair shake. So I do owe it to that movie. I would love for you to give it a fair shake.

I think there's a lot of shaken that it can do fairly. I vow I will do it at some point. Okay, all right, what other horror do you have? Well? I have a newer one on my list that I don't know if you've seen, but um it's on shutter.

It's called Influence. Yes, I figured you'd see it. I actually watched it last weekend because I thought to myself, I thatchri Scene's gonna watch this, and I should watch it too. Yeah. I loved it.

I knew you would. I did too good good. So I saw some like like feedback. I guess um that like people didn't like it, like they were like, oh, I'm over this influencer type of thing and where this is too much with it. But like, I don't even feel like it was about influencer culture.

I feel like it was about something completely different. To be honest with you. Wow, that's and it's funny. It's one of these movies that, like it was on shutter. So I was gonna watch it anyway, but I noticed, like some of the normis like talking about it, if that makes sense.

Yeah, no, no, for sure, me too. And I think it's because of the title, because the title was like, oh, what's this? And I think it's from people that don't realize that at this point, the influencer is the most popular profession for a character in a horror movie, so it's kind of just like making them an interior designer, yes, or an architect if you were in the nineties, you were an architect, if you were in the early two thousands, you were cost hunter, like whatever it might be. Yeah, and I think it played into I think it was more of an observation of maybe the type of people that do this type of thing, because I don't think it was like a takedown of influencer culture. No, I think and it I mean, there's I'll avoid saying too much because there's a lot to spoil about it.

Yeah, to me, it was very much about a character outside of that who kind of miss who had her own baggage about that type of person, yes, and she was not necessarily correct about that, and who was inadvertently distributing the same traits that Yes, Yeah, it's I think it's a very deep, interesting look at that type of stuff. So it was very strange to me that there was seemed to be a desire from some folks to maybe minimize just all the interesting stuff that was happening. And I also think casting a woman that does have a very large mark on her face was very telling about what they wanted this story to actually be doing. And the whole time I watched that and I was like, I wish I was as cool as this, Oh my god, and I mean mad actually I think Cassandra now around now does her name just like stunning and fact, like I was like reading some interviews with her and everything and really interesting person.

Um is a dancer, I think, like just great interviews out there with her and um. Yes, And in that movie immediately like that, you know what, like there was a turn in that movie. There was a point where I'm like, oh yes, because it's also set in Thailand, which is always like exciting to watch and it's gorgeous and all this, but this scene where you meet her character where our quote artitular influencer is at a bar and this you know, gross, just jerky expat British guys leaning over her trying to pick her up, and Cassandra now It's character comes over and just like in two words like puts him puts him down. Was a so brilliant because it like you saw how cool this girl was and you're like, oh my god, I want to be her friend.

But then the other part to that, I'm like, this movie understands people because I have lived abroad and there is always that guy that is at the bar that is they're doing mat and the movie uses him so well, and it does it does like I thought, it was very clever about one of those movies where almost everything that happens like is important, is a clue is going to get you again, every prop is important. Um. I want to watch it again at some point, I because I couldn't decide how. I there's a dip in the middle where you kind of go to a different characters POV and I wasn't entirely sure if what that did for it and whether it took me out of it a bit, or if that's intentional and it worked. I would There's a lot more to this movie than I think I could get un first viewing, and I'd like to go back to it.

No, I agree, because at least for me, I wasn't trying to like like game the figure it out, but like I was, I didn't know where it was going. So there are certain choices that I think, now knowing what it was doing, UM, that I think will play differently. And I'm very curious to look at it again. And it was really satisfying and really fun to watch, like a fun watch. So I recommend, I recommend.

Yeah, I knew you would love it. I was like, oh that Christie watched it, but yeah, I did. I love it. Yeah. Similarly, I watched a movie you mentioned last time, and if memory serves I think you kind of said, ah, it's not bad, but it didn't work, but you should watch it.

And I feel exactly the same way. And that was no cibo. Oh yeah right, it's like, what, like how ambitious? I tell you, here's the problem with that movie. And I went in knowing very little about it, but in the first five minutes I kind of understood.

I figured, I thought, I underknew what this character did, if you will. And then when you meet this other character and you understand that there is something. This character obviously is hiding something maybe and I'm like, oh, okay, so I know, right, okay, I see with the connection. And I don't understand if the movie expected me to make that connection, or if if I was supposed to be surprised by the connection. But the problem is, you spend an hour knowing what this connection is, but the movie's not.

I but the movie reveal and it didn't feel like I like, again, we're talking about gaining a movie. I wasn't trying to. It just seemed really obvious. So then it kind of didn't work for me in that way because I didn't it was still trying to hide something that to me was really obvious, and so I didn't give a punch when things are revealed that you figured out long before that I get what you're saying. Yeah, but it, I mean, great, Obviously, Eva Green is always perfect.

God I love her so much. But that other actress, think chie Financier. I'm sure I'm saying her name wrong. Fabulous, interesting, creepy and friendly, and like I want to see her do more stuff like real find of that movie. So it's the same, Like it's kind of it is a well made movie.

It is a story that you haven't really seen told that way, and it seems pretty apparently it was somewhat based on events that happened and is not letting anybody off the hook, Like it is clear about some of its politics in a way that you can't really argue with. So um, yeah, my old recommend it didn't work for me, but it's not a not a wash. Yeah, I think that's exactly how I felt, So memory serves. I think I remember saying those things similar. Yeah, So like I mean obviously watch it.

They're not going to tell people not to watch it. But I if you, if you came back to me and we're like, I don't know, I would say exactly, yeah, yeah, all right, give me some more. Well, here's a movie that seemed to work for everybody else except meum And, I don't think you've seen it, but that's Evil Dead Rise. I have not seen it. Yeah, I want to watch it again.

I always say this, I would like to watch it again. I people were so excited for it, and really, like just the enthusiasm was a double edged sword because like, I'm excited that people feel like it's good, but now I don't know where my expectations are. Um and and I and and people are like dedicated to this movie. And I was just kind of like the whole time, I wasn't grossed out. I wasn't freaked out.

It was kind of bored. It kind of looked goofy. A lot of it looked goofy to me. Um So not in an intentional evil dead way. Oh No, No, like in a oh is this supposed to be disturbing oops kind of way.

And there were some good performances that I will fully acknowledge, but but I don't know. It just consistently, scene after scene after scene did not work, and and and that made me again, I walked away from it. And I don't like when this happens. Think of like, what did I watch? And what did everyone watch?

How it feels different? What is your sort of evil as a franchise an individual movie? It is like what what's where do you fall? With? Evil Dead?

Um? I like and appreciate Evil Dead and Evil the two. Um they those movies have never really been my cup of tea, but I understand like why people like them, and I understand how important they are to people. Army of Darkness, that's what that's called. Felt felt weird coming out of my mouth is fine.

I haven't seen it for in ages, and I really don't have much of a desire too. But then that remake, that what twelve twenty thirteen remake or whatever it is, is so fucking good. I like it better than any other Evil Dead thing and all the Evil deads. It's my favorite Evil Dead. And and then this one feels kind of like a a half step between the remake and the original.

And I don't know, but people and also it's very matriarchal, it's and and that type of like mother type of stuff doesn't hit me a lot of the times, um whereas I'm an absolute soccer for dad's stuff, but like mom stuff, I'm just kind of like, I have a I don't I don't get I don't get where you guys are with this. Well, it's also exactly what you said. It's usually guys like I'm pretty sure that movie was written in directed by Man. Yeah, yeah, And but like so many people are like like, yeah, Mommy's with the maggots, and I'm like, I don't get it, guys, I just don't, And which is totally fine, like we're all different stuff, But there is always that curious part where I'm like, I want to see what you see.

I want to I get it. Yeah. It's funny too, because when you were describing it's something that I have not been clear on from I've heard a lot of different people talk to me about it, and it is a roll of the dice, whether they say when I asked, I'm like, so, does it feel comedic or does it feel like the last Evil Dead movie where it's really serious? And I have had people say like oh no, it's definitely like winking and other people be like, no, no, no, it's straight horror. So that confuses me and makes me wonder if the movie just didn't accomplish what I was trying to do, or if there is a some kind of magic key whether which way you see it.

That's that's really interesting and and maybe that is telling, because like I said, I felt like it was it was a split, the difference between the remake and the and and maybe that that didn't work for me. Maybe I needed it to eat to lean one direction a little bit harder, you know what, I think I needed it to lean one direction a little bit harder, makes sense, And that's just why it didn't work. Fascinating I would again, you should totally watch it though, because it's in an apartment building, which is a cool idea. I mean, I love why not like? And that was something I liked about The Last People Day too, was Okay, you found a new angle in here, you found a new way to tell a story about a cabin in the woods and why somebody would be isolated.

Like so that's that's cool. Um, all right, So I have been on the HBO or I'm sorry excuse me take that away. The Max watching as of late and doesn't have a great selection of horror, but there's enough that I feel like I'll get through everything on there that I haven't seen before. And on the James Marsden Train, we have got a movie I had seen back when I was sixteen, and it has obviously been a long time because I haven't been sixteen for a long time. This was disturbing behavior?

Were you talking about this recently? I feel like I talk about disturbing behavior. I So I turned it on, thinking like, all right, I remember nothing about this movie other than like Katie Holmes doing like bad girl drag, like that's all I remember. And so I watched and pretty much, you know, I'm gonna say this movie had clearly if you I bet the original script for this was a blacklist like Home Run, because there are actually really there are ideas here, there are things here. Um this it is surprisingly a little more forward about things like sex, which you did not have in nineties horror movies.

They did everything they could to avoid sex. But you have this idea of you know, parents and trying to basically control their their teenager's behavior, and the movie addresses that sex is like the biggest challenge there, because when a character basically gets horny, then that's when like their chip malfunctions or whatever the thing is going on. I still don't really understand what they did to the kids, but you know, and that's interesting and something they weren't doing in the nineties. And I do think there is stuff here. You know, there's a subplot where James Marsden's older brother died by suicide, and you don't really under learn a lot, but it's like one more and it's Ethan baby, Ethan Embree and like really small wart but it makes you wonder, like, Okay, I understand maybe why his parents are willing to do this to their son, because they lost sons now they're trying to find a way around it and they're willing to do anything to fix it.

And there's idea. There's actually really good ideas here, and like nick Stall is good, there's stuff. There's a baby Katherine Isabelle. There's a lot of fun faces to catch. It's just very clear this movie being made for a studio probably being rushed into the theaters like for Halloween or whatever it was.

It was not going to come together correctly. But I don't know there was ambition that I wasn't expecting. So I did like it more than I thought I would. Yeah, I just always consistently disappointed by it. I don't know how many times I can watch it and realize that I just I don't like it because I want to.

There's so much there that I want to like. It's like it reminds me a lot of the Faculty, but it just doesn't manage to do a lot of things that the Faculty does well well and in weird ways, because I was thinking a lot about the Faculty watching it. The Faculty is a much better movie. The Faculty is fun, The Faculty moves, It has great performances, great cast like, it has an energy about itself. It knows what type of movie it is and it wants to be.

But the Faculty has problems, and I think like anybody watching it, it rolls their eyes at the end when Clay Duval shows up in a little card again and you're like, what what what is this? How is this the right yea for that character? M And I don't know. There was something about watching this. I'm like, you know, this is this is not as good as the faculty.

I will not rewatch this the same way I can rewatch the faculty, But I think the script was at one point had deeper, more complex ideas than the faculty ever was going to and you it's impossible to I'm not defending this. I'm not saying it's better. It's you know, but I really thought, at least some mis watch, I saw something in this movie that I was hurt me that it couldn't really live up to what it could have been. Yeah, I get that. That's probably why I watch it so much.

For you that makes the tracks, that makes perfect Give me another one. So this is kind of what started what I unofficially called Russell Mania. Like in the month of May, I watched a lot of Russell problems. Um so I watched the Pope's exercise. Oh goodness, tell me everything.

It's not that bad. Okay, it's not that good, but it's not that bad. How's his accent? I heard it's delighted. Oh I think somebody called it like an olive garden Italian accent.

Yes, that's fully what it was. Nice. Love it. It's so. I gave it a two point five.

And it looks like Letterbox. The average is a two point seven, so I'd say that's fair. Depending on how goofy you find it, you might enjoy it a little bit more, but it's definitely worth watching. It is a weird movie, Okay, okay, I didn't think it was gonna be for me. I will say it like usually those movies where it's like, we're we're not a horror movie, we're a you know, religious thriller, and we're cat saying some former Oscar winner.

Usually they bore me, but you don't think they'll be bored. Um. I think that there are aspects of it that are so absurd that it is difficult to be bored. Is there really bad CGI? I feel like I want this movie to have really bad CGI.

Oh not, that's jumping immediately to mind. I did watch this in May, though, so like early early night, so it's been well over a month. Got it. Got it funny? Right On the topic of fairly bad CGI, I'll go with a movie that again, I don't know.

I'm in a soft mood today because I'm defending movies that were otherwise like zero This one apparently had zero percent and rotten tomatoes, and one of the worst reviewed movie of the year for it's a year of two thousand and eight, and I'm not saying this is a good movie, but come on, people, One missed call. The American remake is not the worst remake of a horror film that's ever been made. Have you seen this? Not in a long time, but I remember not hating it. It's fine.

It is The Ring, it is Final Destination, it is Pulse, it is every other movie that came out within ten years before it. It's the cast is fairly decent. It's Shannon Shan Shannon who has been in a lot of movies, with Pete Ledger, her and Edward Burns, a couple of other faces that show up that you're like, oh, ray Wise, isn't this movie cool? And it is a yes, it's the Haunted cell phone movie kind of. It's you know, you get a phone call and then you die two days later.

So yes, everything is horrivative of every other movie you've seen. Baby Aeriel Winter from Modern Family, Alex Dumpy, she shows up in a pretty fun part this I don't know. It's fine, it's it is a PG. Thirteen horror movie of a remake, a remake of a Japanese movie that came out too, doesn't eight. It is exactly what you think of when you think of that whole era of movies.

But I don't know. It had some cool imagery, it had some sequences that you kind of saw what they were doing. It's candled. Seriously, I was kind of like defending it, and then I get to like the halfway point where suddenly there's like some cgi that was very like, oh, this reminds me of The Dancing Baby and Ally McBeal type arrow. Yeah, so it's not great, it's not scary.

There's a jump scare or two that you can kind of maybe nod at, but I don't know. It just feels I was expecting to watch something that was like enapt and enjoy it, and instead I'm like, oh, no, they tried, but I see what they were doing. They tried, They made a valiant attempt. This is fine. And it just makes me angry because what other what who was reviewing movies in two thousand and eight that they thought this was the worst thing that came out.

We've always been a very hyperbolic people. But also I watching a lot of older stuff recently and rewatching a lot of older stuff. Even when I say old stuff, I mean like twenty eleven, we we really didn't know what we had. Even something that looks kind of not great in twenty eleven is like through this lens, you're like, wow, sets, look at these active lighting a human being. Yeah, but like I don't want to, I don't.

I obviously believe we're still making amazing film. I'm just saying I think that the mainstream ones that get a lot of money put behind them maybe aren't great anymore. And there's already like a there's a big discussion about like mid budget movies and how that doesn't that's not really yeah, and so it just yeah, you look back and you're like, this has a cast and in an actual script, and they're they're lightening in rooms. Yeah, and everybody's trying. Yeah, but it's exciting.

Yeah. Yeah. I rewatched the Total Recall remake, and while it's not good, I maintain it's still not a good movie. It's the lighting in the sets, and just like the movement, it's exciting because we didn't we didn't know. Well.

The problem today is that the team that would do all of those things is working eighty hours or one hundred hours a week on Marvel movies and then who the interns are left to scramble and you know, fix the mid budget movies and all of that. So it's a whole argument for another or soap box day, but it is a problem. So all right, what else you got? Um? How many more you feel like you're doing?

Three? Four four? I've got four left four screen. All right, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave it with this, Renfield. Tell me about Renfield.

I didn't really like it that much. Okay, it's fine. Um, I would probably rewatch it in the future because I really do like Nicole and I like choices, his choice. He that is the best word to describe him, because he's so clearly makes choices with everything he does. And I love it.

I love it so much. I love little Nicole when he was beast in my favorite Next mon movie and just to see what a weirdo he's blossing. He's the boy from About a Boy, The About a Boys now a man and he's a big weirdo and I love it. Did you see that there were rumors that he was being talked about for supermund Yeah, I think I want it. I don't want it, but takes snol.

Let him still do his weird things. He can't do that if he's doing supermoun I know, I don't. I don't even know anymore. Just give him like thirty million dollars to not do supermund right, all right, let me get get it. Like if I'm Nicholas Holt and somebody's like, well, we're going you get to buy a mansion on every private island in the world if you do this movie.

And what's the downside, Well, the downside is for five years you have to maintain a physique that is stupid and that won't let you play other characters. And you have to film this movie for ten months of the year and then do pr for it for an They're eleven months, so you'll have like two weeks to make an independent movie. You like, don't do it. Don't do it. It's not my favorite trajectory these days, for sure, um, but I do recommend Renfield at this much like Evil Dead Rise.

This is another movie that people really got behind that I just didn't get each their own, okay, because I didn't hear anybody. I heard a lot of people get excited for it, But then I'd never heard anybody like really like root for it after I came out, so I kind of figured it was a little bit of a dead Oh that's interesting. Yeah, it looks like I AMD Noah, I AMDB On letterbox it has a three point one average. So people people, Yeah, people seem to like it. It just didn't work for me.

Got it? Yeah, what else you got? All right? So going back to probably the oldest movie that we'll talk about today, nineteen thirty ones Jekyl and Hide with Frederick March. This is pre code and boys, it pre code.

It's like, I don't watch nearly enough movies from the thirties that I should, and this is it's good. M Frederick March is so good as Hide. And if you look up images from this, the I mean the design and how they do the transformation, it's basically all through lighting. It's incredible. It really holds up for a film this old.

It the way they got around things and the way they figured out how to do stuff is really remarkable. They play Hide as sort of like Neanderthal like and it works. It's this very like when you read Jeckel and Hide. It's something that never comes across in film. It's like Hide is supposed to be short.

He's not supposed to be this big, grand, handsome, scary stranger. He's supposed to be hideous and small and like unnatural, and they go for that in this movie. And there is some weird sexual abuse going on. You're not seeing it, but you are seeing the character's evidence of it. It is there.

The abuse is handled very uh with weight, in a way that you are not expecting in a movie like this. And it also doesn't take Jekyl off the Sometimes Jekyl comes across a little too clean, and then this case like, no, fuck Jekyl, He's the reason this is happening. So it's it's good. I think I'm trying to remember how we watched it, if it was streaming somewhere, if we got an on DVD. But if you haven't seen it and you have any interest in either Jackal and Hide adaptations, pre Code movies, or just kind of evolution of some storytelling and horror, it's really really worth the watch.

I was very impressed by a lot of aspects of it. I love the Jackal and Hide story. Yeah, it's it's there are things here that I haven't seen done that way so interesting? All right? I have a few you don't have any more now I'm just running through.

I don't have anything interesting, all right on. I think this one was on Paramount Plush Benny Loves You. Have you heard of it or seen it is? Yeah? So it's a man who basically is kind of a child man child and his parents die and he's alone and life sucks, and then he finds a stuffed animal he had when he was a kid who is sort of um, what's the word, like demonic and evil and murderous, but also like loves him, so you know.

And basically he's killing people that piss him off, but also killing people that are close to him. It is very low budget. It's a lot of stop motion. The it looks impressive, like you can tell that there was a lot of work done in this, and aspects of it are really sweet. Um overall, it's British.

It's sort of like hit A. There were things about it where I'm like, um, I don't know, there's something mean about certain aspects of it that didn't rubbed me the right way. So I was kind of mixed. I was really high on it to start, and then I kind of was a little bit more like, Okay, I watched that when it was over, so not, I don't know, not really recommend. I'd be curious if maybe I overthought it, but I think it's it's actually very similar to Megan, and it came out for first.

It's not again like there are plenty of stories of a you know, stuffed animal that loves you too much type thing, but it really does, especially in the beginning, You're like, oh wow, there's a lot of beats here that are very similar. So if you like that kind of story, it's definitely worth watching. It's a good concept, it's some really good ideas within it. There was something about it that I didn't fully see eye to eye with I think, and I can't quite explain it or and it's been too long since I watched it, so I can't think of it like an example of something that bothered me about it, but I don't know. It didn't.

The tone sort of went a little bit like nastier, but not in as fun a way as I think they thought it was at least interesting. Well, that makes me feel, Yeah, i'd be curious for you to watch it, because you might walk away more differently, or you or else you'll be able to pinpoint exactly what it was that that German. That's always a fun thing to exercise too. Yes, why did I? Why did Emily not like this movie?

Let me see all right? Amazon Prime my last two again? Amazon Prime is the kind of a fun graveyard of movies that you absolutely did not know existed or came out this one. Uh so I like a good sexy thriller. Who doesn't like a good sexy thriller.

We're in like a nice like renaissance of sexy thrillers. I think with um, you must remember this doing erotic nineties. I feel like it's like top of mind for a lot of people. So I see this movie and I'm like, Okay, it looks like sexy thriller. It is called Compulsion and twenty sixteen.

Uh forget the plots, and basically it's sort of like eyes Wide shut slash fifty Shades of gray slash, maybe slasher, I don't know. Set in a very cool like Italian castle. It looks gorgeous. It really is beautiful. The lead actor is h So, Okay, I was excited about this because this is somebody I knew from America's Extop Model and little known fact about me.

I have like an encyclopedic batch of knowledge on America's Extop Model seasons one to twelve. So this was then Annalie Tipton. I think now they go by Leo Tipton. So it was fun to be like, oh ATM, I remember this. And they're basically like a like I don't know, like a sort of fifty Shades author who has some kind of novel memoir about their wild, violent sex life and they keep getting sucked back in.

So they go to this Italian villa with their and there's sex parties kind of. But I say that in like, there's nudity in this movie. It's all female nudity. There's no we don't get penises, and it feels like you should have penis is in a movie like that. So I'll say that right off the bat, like there's masks and there's things like and like you know, clothing just draped over so that we see breasts and stuff like that.

Uh, I don't know, it's it is not very good and I didn't really understood what happened. And the movie has like it's a reveal, and I'm like, I don't what are you telling me like that this character isn't real or that character so this character killed somebody, But then wouldn't that be a thing. Why isn't that a thing? Oh the movie's over? What?

Oh okay, I guess we're done here. So obviously not really recommend. That sounds frustrating, but I don't know. Like, if you like Italian villas, it's it's a really cool Italian villa. So there's that.

I mean, I do I do like that. I would be It feels like a movie that you could pull things from and say, like, Okay, I see what they did there. That's interesting. I think it had ideas. I don't think it's nearly as dangerous as it thinks it is.

Like it's very feels very like, oh, we have lesbians, And I don't know anything about the writer director, so I don't know. I know it's you know his name is male. I don't think he's a lesbian. It feels very much of like straight man directing lesbian's tipping Again, I could be very wrong about that. That is just my read of this movie.

Eight and you said it was from twenty and sixteen, I think, so, yeah, it's not that wow. I don't know why when you're talking about it, I'm I kept thinking like this would be a great movie from nineteen seventy eight, completely like you want it to be real Italian, like you want it to be yeah, not like a Passolini or something where like you're gonna see stuff and feel stuff, and like there's masks and there's some cool custom design going like I'll give it, like there are things that look really neat, um but to one end. And also like I don't know, there's costuming that's supposed to do something but it doesn't make any sense and the way it's being used here, so it feels like again I haven't read Fifty Shades of Gray, I haven't seen the movies.

I don't know, but I vague. My understanding of them is that, like I don't know, they're they're kinky but kind of not. And it's kind of what I got to this movie. It felt sort of like it was trying to do that. Um but I don't know.

I I feel like you should be I feel like I should hear this and be like that good thing. I dodged that bullet. But I'm like, huh, I wonder when I can watch the movie. I think you should watch it. It's on Amazon.

You can get it. Remember you have existent time. I have to remind you because I know sometimes you forget. I do give it a try, just I don't know, like you you might come back and be like Emily, You're that was bullshit, Like you might really just hate it. I'm I'm simple.

So when you give me like big castles, I'm like, oh my, go, Like there's really great costumes. Like there's some really I don't know, like they wear pretty outfits and like their hair always looks great, which doesn't make sense because like they're in this old castle. I did not see like a hair dryer anywhere. I didn't. I'm thinking about this, Like they wake up and it's like, okay, we have that party in ten minutes, and like somehow they look like they're coming out of a shoot for Americas ecce a model and the next scene it would take I could.

I can't dry my hair in that time, So I don't know, but yeah, it's it's all very I don't know, give it a try. I'm making a list of movies that aren't good that I want you to watch. Yeah, I think there's better things I could spend my time with. I suppose. And the last one is also not a very good movie.

Also an Amazon Prime also starts with the Sea is a one word name. This was Compulsion. No, it wasn't. That was a movie. I just talked about control.

Control. See what I did there? Control. A woman wakes up. She's in like a room that has a desk and that's it.

And there's a voice that says, moved the pencil. If you don't move the pencil will kill your daughter. That kind of thing where there's a voice that comes and tells her stuff. And then her hands are tied and says, moved the pencil, And how does she move the pencil? She's got her hands tied, but oh she's still kinetic.

That's how she doesn't. So progressively things keep She is in this room. She is told that this force that she doesn't know whether it's government or military or aliens or what, has kidnapped her daughter and is kind of testing her mind powers to do things. At a certain point, there is another person in the room, and then other things happen. It goes on for an hour and a half and it's this isn't very good.

It's the kind of movie. It kind of premise I like, and I've seen variations of this premise in many different ways. The actress is very good, the lead actor. I don't know her name. I think she's Canadian.

I watched a lot of movies where everybody was Canadian lately. But she like, she is good, and she is pretty much the main person in this movie for most of it and does a very good job. She's very like again, like I looked her up and she was a dancer. I'm like, oh, that makes sense because she moves interestingly. There's interesting ideas.

The movie doesn't go deep enough in them, it doesn't give you enough of what it's really doing, and has an ending that isn't that much a surprise, so pretty unsatisfying. Overall. I would not recommend it, which brings us to SCR six. So you saw it more recently than I did. Yeah, I watched it maybe a month ago on paramount Plus.

I was not going to pay for this movie, and I'm glad I didn't. I I'm so surprised that I feel like I'm out here all by myself. I need to rewatch it to really solidify what it is that didn't work, and I liked the one before it, the fifth one. Yeah, So I'll give a spoiler alert because I think that's for me. That was the big thing that wasn't the only thing that mother me.

Spoiler alert scream six. The fact that essentially nobody dies in this movie. That I don't know a lot about human biology and where arteries are and aren't, but that you have three characters in front of us get stabbed and stabbed and stabbed and stabbed again, and at the end of the movie they're all, no, I'm okay, it missed my major arteries. Oh me too, twin that everybody's okay and Courtney Cox is, well, we'll find out about Gail because we don't know yet if we can afford to bring Courtney Cox back for the series. This way, we haven't said it one way or another.

That really bugged me, like plain and simple of I get that we're in an age right now where we kind of have done which I'm not opposed to. We had really mean horror in the early two thousands. A movie would follow a character and at the very last minute, somebody would come and kill the character you stayed with. We had a lot of sexual abuse in horror movie the early two thousands. We had a lot of rape.

We had a lot of torture, We had a lot of really terrible things. We had a lot of movies that ended on very dour notes. And then I think it somewhere, and I think, honestly, two thou sixteen was kind of part of it. We sort of stepped back and swung around a little bit, and horror got a little nicer, right that you did not have the same downbeat overall, most horror films did not end in a mean way, which is fine and refreshing until it doesn't make sense. And Scream five, okay, So I only thought once I was okay I felt Scream five.

I felt kind of, it's fine. This is a movie that isn't for me or for my generation. This is for a new audience, and that's fine, but it means I'm not connecting with it the way I did the other movies. Is that did you feel differently? Did you connect better with Scream five?

Yeah? I Scream five put a bit. I've watched it multiple times now and it still works. I think the the Officer, Judy's um son, Dylan Manette's character West, his Name's West, movie his stuff in five it makes it makes me cry the last time I watched it. He's such a sweet little boy, and the setup on that is so good.

It really reminds me it's it's Casey, right, Yeah, it's Casey from the first one. It's this character that you think is gonna be there that is just so relatable in like present in the story, and then this terrible thing happens and it's very affecting. Ye, so yeah, none of that happens. Oh my god. So some of the problems.

First of all, Like I get it's a joke that we make a movie about New York, but we clearly don't film in New York. But I feel like that's okay. When you're a low budget movie, it feels kind of um, what's the word like haughty when you're scream six, Like I don't know, Like it felt like I'm like watching this, I'm like, there's nothing New York about this movie, and the whole like big excitement was it set in New York? And like, oh look I get it, Like I'm a day Jason Dicks Manhattan or Toronto or Vancouver. But it still like, I don't know that that bugged me, and I didn't want that to bug me.

But for good reason though, because yeah, and I know that there is this perception outside of New York, because I know people that have this perception of like, oh, New York's episode And ask anybody that lives in New York. All they can do is talk about New York. Oh, it's the greatest city in the world. But if you're gonna hang your marketing so fucking heavily on it, yes, And it's the first time they leave Woodsboro and you just go to anytown USA and say that it's New York, Like it lacks the like the grandeur that you promised me. And in a way that doesn't even feel like they're doing New York, like we're at like a college fraternity.

In a way you're like, this isn't no, like NYU doesn't have this setup, Like you wouldn't go to a college party like this in Manhattan. It doesn't. You don't have a house like this for college. So there's that like the I think, you know, the they're doing interesting things with some of the charrot, like they they had ideas for the sisters of how they're handling this and how they're handling it differently, and that's fine. Um it.

Neither one was that interesting to me. I think the the killer and again I'm not like A. I wasn't even trying to game it. I wasn't trying to figure it out. But it seemed really obvious to me.

At least two or the three killers. Um yeah, that's that to me was a big problem with it. But I like to be surprised, or if not surprised, I want to feel like I can't I can't believe I gave that person a pass or there just needs to be again some emotional components and buying, and this felt obvious. Lazy UFI. We have a dead girl who we don't see her body again after she's dead and behind a door.

So I don't know about you, but immediately once you find the dads of the cop, you're like, okay, so yeah, no, she's not that's her. And obviously there's there's no reason to have Dermot mulroney in your movie, just as so, oh it's either him or it's or it's Hayden pennetear no it's obviously him, Like there's that um, I don't know, the big showed like again, like you're like, there's no warehouse like the city or city. You can't have this um and just the like gall of the movie to have three majors and not just a moment of violence or no, you have three set pieces of murders of the twins in separate, separately get stabbed in very very elaborate scenes, and Gail and that whole chase scene, and all three of them by the end of the movie, you know, at least two of them are perfectly fine, and Gail Weathers is probably gonna be okay, Like it doesn't why what did you accomplish by doing that?

What was? What did you accomplish it all by by having Courtney Cox in your movie? Even like it's not it doesn't do any good by her or I don't think yeah, and you're like watching You're like, I don't know, you really couldn't scrounge money for if like and like I know that left of sour taste in my mouth to begin with, Like I didn't like that whole Good on Nev Campbell for saying this is my worth and I'm not taking anything less and walking away, but just it did leave a note to me of like, this is a production that didn't you know, that decided not to pay NEV Campbell, and that bothered me, and like it would have been fine if it could at least could have been justified by what I saw on screen, but I don't know.

I didn't see anything on screen. It's it's all coming back to me a little bit as you're talking about it. I don't mean to be so harsh, but my my initial reaction I was offended. I did feel like this is unwatchable. I thought all the Hayden panty Are stuff was surface and pointless and forced and weird that the return of that character should have been so triumphant.

And I noticed some people it was, but I believe that maybe they felt that way just because it was happening, not the quality of what was happening. Yeah, and that makes me sad. Yeah, in any interaction that um, I can't remember her name, but Randy's niece m Yellow. I just call her yellow Jackets. Yeah, the jazz and Savoy Brown.

I guess her interactions with Kirby should have been like, like fucking orgasmic. They should have been the best interactions. Would a joy to write those two characters meeting and talking, and it was just whatever whatever I mean? Did they have twenty minutes to write this script? Again?

Not to be brewed, but like, what was going on? Why didn't any of this feel like thought out or clever? And I do wonder if it's the current Hollywood cycle we're in where everything needs to be turned around so fast that we don't have time to develop thoughtful, impactful, important stories because it's just like no, bang it out, And even like you're saying, the whole bringing back Kirby felt it's you know, we know that there is fan culture, and we know that fan culture can can you know, work for the good, but more often works for the bad, and that everything around that decision felt a little bit the internet really loved Kirby. We didn't know this right Scream four comes out and that character is not intended.

I don't think to really hit the way she does. You know, she dies fairly early or you know is or is nearly killed fairly early in the movie. Considering things is not a lead. It is probably like fifth build if even that, And I really don't think Scream four when it came out had any understanding of what they had there. Yeah, and when Scream five was announced, and when I think like, now you have pure meme culture and it's very easy to see who's god I sound so old, like who's trending and hashtagging on such And if you have I'm sure producers and interns whose job it is to see, Hey, what what do kids want in their next Scream movie?

Somebody comes in the next day with a you know, a bunch of clippings and says, apparently they really liked Hayden Penneteire, Like that's what it felt like as far as even bringing this character back because we saw her die like we it was treated like she died, and the Internet was so excited at the concept of all of us saying like, well, we all know Kirby, you know, justice for Kirby, We love Kirby, which is great, But the internet's opinions should not necessarily dictate screenwriting. And I know that's not true anymore. I know the way Hollywood works that well, if everybody I don't know, should we kill Yellow Jackets and Twin Brother or should we let them go? I don't know. Let's kind of get a feel for it first.

Let's see what people think. And I mean, hey, that happened with Dewey. That's the reason Dewey was a character for five movies was because test audiences didn't like that he died. I get that, I do. But it's different when it's like preemptively writing the movie because it didn't.

When Kirby's like, and I'm an FBI agent, I'm Clarie Starling and I'm awesome and look at me and you're like, I mean this, does this really make sense for this character? I don't know that it does, and it just feels I don't. I don't know. It's a very we have too much power as fan. I don't think smart enough, don't wield that kind of power.

Yeah, because I wanted Kurby back. I have a fucking T shirt that says Kirby in the in the Corn from the band Corn Fond And it's just a big picture. I love Kurby. I certified Kirby stand. The fourth movie might be the best.

Now, the third one's really good. The fourth one might be one of my favorite. And I just really like her. So I'm not at all opposed to bringing her back. I think bringing her back is a great idea.

It's just what's the point of doing it if you're not doing it for a reason. I kind of feel like making them that girl be h Billy Loomis's daughter was a bit of a stretch, but I liked the way they did it. It was it was interesting. So that's the five and six are just oceans apart in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, and disappointing, very disappointing.

Do they announce a seventh? Are they doing seven? I think so Maybe I don't. That's a really good question because I might have just blocked it out. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm I'm really disappointed. Yeah, And I don't know if that's just a franchise that's sort of now for a different audience and at a different level, where like it's just not for me now. I feel like there's you could bring in a new team and just shake things up. And I mean, if I was making the next movie, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happens in the next movie. Opening scene January Taka's character dies because that is an actor that they're not going to be able to afford anymore.

So like she has somebody who has probably her choice of role in anything, and that would be the smart thing to do with that character, bring her back to kill her, not because it's a mean thing to do, but because you can't hold onto this actor or much longer. And you add stakes and you do, you do something, and you show something can happen, but I guarantee it won't. She'll she'll get stabbed in the opening scene and then we won't see her again because it's well, she's in the hospital now because she's busy filming a lot of other things. And that's how we end up getting it. But I don't know that that's how I would go if I was hearing the franchise, But clearly they they want my opinions.

It's at the start, and then when I have anything negative, it's yeah. Otherwise yeah, it's it's it's strange out there these days talking about talking about movies is tough. But might have them for a while because there's no writers still on strike. So true, I did. I did look, and it looks like that the seventh one has been greenlit or so, I don't know.

I guess probably they're working on the script now, Yeah, I wonder if it's radio silence again or not. Do they still oh by that or do they have like use their names now? I think they use their names. Now I'll make a summoning circle and I'll hope that that script is a little bit Yeah, I'm curious out there, listeners, Um, did you feel the same way about Scream six or h and again? Like I can, I can accept and identify that it is not I am not the market for that movie anymore.

I am not the right age group. That is not my demographic. Ah, but I still want it to be good. And I was sad. I refuse to believe that that I'm I mean, this could be me being stuck up or like haughty or whatever, but I refuse to believe that I'm not the right age group for any movie because I can.

I can enjoy a movie made for children just as much as I can enjoy Master and Commander. I feel like to appoint a good movie as a good movie. I really feel like That's got sixth movie was not good, just like not good. I could see that argument for the fifth one, like, oh, I don't get it anymore? Kids and their friend groups and what they do and what they like and how they talk to each other.

Like okay, fine, but like I I don't know, I know, but I'd agree with you. I think there is a bit in terms of the storytelling of five versus storytelling of six if they do feel mountains apart. Oh what a shame. I'm glad that you felt the same way, though, because it really was confusing. Yeah.

First, I was like, wait again, did we all watch a different movie? Yeah, it's and I think you me to an extent, but certainly I think it happens to you more so where there is a zeitgeist and in different ways I'm saying that. And yet both of us run in different Internet movie circles where opinions are not necessarily the mainstream, but are the mainstream in that weird little circles that we're in. And there are times same thing where something comes out in everybody, and more often than not, it's the one side versus the other of where people are thrilled about something and I don't get it, and I know you you have that. I think even more so, I think you just have a very keen eye, and I think you often see problematic things quicker than some of other people.

Like you'll have an opinion on a movie, and five years later, the general consensus will swing to your opinion. I have I have not found a way to make that as to monetize. I know it's it's like standard complex. I have it at work, but it's and it's even yet, believe it or not. It's less useful at work when you can see disaster coming and you can pinpoint exactly what's gonna happen, But then nobody believes you, and then it happens and nobody even remembers that you said it.

H and you you do the same when it comes to movies, I think, well, thank you, I appreciate that. Dude. All right, well that's all we've been watching. Would you like to tell everybody what our next episode is going to be? Oh?

Wait, do I know what? Do you remember? I was season all summer time? Oh in summertime movies? Oh my gosh.

Yes, I think we need to come up with some parameters for it. I could go wild with this, but yeah, like summertime vibe movies, like what makes you think of the season, or maybe like summer holidays because isn't there fireworks and Dolores Clayborne. So this could go a lot of directions. So yeah, we're talking about our favorite summer movies. And like Christine said, that could be summer themed.

It could be well it's it's a beach, but it's winter. But it could be a movie that you watched in the summer all the time. Now summer is you know, it's different in Australia. Summer is winter. So I don't know what does that mean?

So yeah, I know you're right, we do. Well, we'll off Mike work through the parameters. But that is gonna be our next episode, all about summer movie summer cinema. So I think about your favorite summer cinema. And with that being said, fine Christine's books because they're amazing and she's got a few of them now and you're at church stories out there, So Christine Makepeace dot com yep, that's me.

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Thanks. I am thank you. Yes, you can still read my stuff at deadly Dallas house dot com. I think sometime at some point of a disturbing Dave your post coming up where I think I'm much kinder to that movie than most people should be. That's exciting.

Yeah, so all that fun stuff and we will talk to you next time while wearing a lot of sunscreen. Yeah, and maybe get an attack by shark. Oh yeah, streets wants again, come alone. It's like at he walks with me while I's sleep. It's like a Ta Go walk worse stream.

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