163. A Journey With Sigourney

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We're back for a new episode of The Feminine Critique. Guy'm Emily, I am Christine. And Christine, what are we going to talk about today? We are going to talk about the films of Sigourney Weaver. Bump Bump, Bump.

I don't know why that's her theme song. I guess her theme song should probably be like the whatever the musical cues from Alien are, but I don't know what those are. So Sigourney Weaver. Yes, Now, we had, you know, kind of thrown up of a bunch of different ideas of how differently we might want to structure different episodes and try some new things. And I said, well, let's do like actors spotlets.

Let's take an episode where we just kind of dive into an actor that we both like and I said to you, okay, pick pick the first one, and you said, Sigourney Weaver. So I would first like to know why Sigourney Leaver. Um, Well, she was already really high up on my letterbox all times, and UM, I wanted to start with UM with a with a woman just like just because UM, because I mean, I think there's there's some actors that we've we've both probably seen a lot of, UM just because of the length of their career or their genres that they work in, and I think that, um, Sigourney kind of because she spans all of that, like she's been working for so long, but she's also very you know, established in in genres that we really enjoy, like sci fi and horror and stuff.

So UM, I thought it would be smart and that I and I feel passionate about a good smattering of her roles in films she's been in. But I thought so for me, it worked, and you agree to it. I love it. I love when you, UM say some of that. It actually makes a lot of sense because yeah, I mean, she started her film career basically with Alien like that was her first real film, which is kind of like, I mean, she was had a walk on part in I think Annie Hall or one of the Woody Allen films, like she had done some TV stuff, but like your first movie role is Ellen Ripley, And because of that, you're right, she absolutely became the face of sci fi and horror for a while in that era.

And also like looking at her IMDb and then as I was because the way I did, I tried to. I just kind of went on my Roku to see what was available that she was in that was streaming and going through it, and then looking at her IMDb and realizing, like, man, like what a varied career she has had, and part of that is longevity. But it's also like a choice that she very much seems to rotate and you know, do comedy, do sci fi, do everything. And it's also nice because, unlike a lot of actors of respectable careers in such she doesn't bad mouth the genre, which is something to appreciate. I think she understands that without the audiences of alien and aliens m her career would have been very different, and that you know that that there is something to appreciate in them.

So that's cool too, I agree, and and and I think, well, I think we'll get into it, but kind of the way her career has has unfolded, there's some interesting small roles that she's taken that I feel like a very fan servicing, but like in an amazing way. She definitely and honestly this was true very early. I think where and part of this is her stature. She is a very distinct she has a distinct voice, she has a you know, she is a has a distinct tight um. But there is like you can put her as a cameo in something and it immediately establishes something about the univer you're in.

Like she has reached that point where she is an icon. And I think what is um interesting because the more I was just kind of thinking about her obviously is in a way how little like I knew of her personal life, how much I didn't think of her so much as a movie star but more as an actress. Yeah, that's that's interesting. Um when you bring in like movie stardom in the concept of that, UM, I feel like some people want to project like that feeling that a movie star would give us. I can't make this make sense because I'm I'm applying a lot to a person I don't know, but like to mention again the kind of strange places that she started to show up for a while.

I feel like that back there was a lack of ego, and I feel like sometimes when I think of like a movie star, I think of like the what comes the trappings that come along with that historically, like how how that person would want us to see them somebody who was a movie star, you know, And I feel like she's always been really approachable as as a performer. For me, it's it's hard, you know, it's hard to I want because I do want to go into that, and I want to be careful because it is so easy. I think when we talk about um female actors to think of to kind of have a lot of complicated feelings about the glamor verse, the talent or the choices or whatever you want to say. And I'm thinking about her as you're saying that, of like compared to somebody like Nicole Kidman, and Nicole Kidman always has felt like a movie star, just I think, you know, Nicole Kiman also started in movies where Sumariny Weaver started in theater, So maybe there's part of that.

But there is something that I hate that. I like Nicole Kiman has made a career out of being an incredibly good actress who makes incredibly interesting choices and being a movie star. And I don't know much about you know what constitutes the difference, and part of it is the eras and the timings and you know the but what I mean I say that, but like Sigourney Weaver was a movie star at a time when there were photographers everywhere. Maybe it wasn't as insane, but that she and I don't know how much of this was a choice of hers, how much of it was just the way the tide flowed. But she kept a low profile to where I don't think people think of her immediately as a glamorous, like that kind of movie star.

And that's very difficult for I think a woman to sustain such a career without having to have also had that to lean on and had that to kind of help help get her in the room or help get her that role where a producer was like, oh yeah, people will come see you because they want to see you. It's and like all that to say, like screen of Wavor is hot. She is very hot. She always has been and has been a sex symbol in really interesting ways. Yeah, I feel like I feel like I'm not saying it correctly because I feel like I'm going and I don't mean to be like compare her to this person, because that's not also the way I wanted to look at it.

But I think it's just an interesting way of why her career has been kind of unique in some ways, I guess, yeah, And I don't know if it. Like I kind of purposely didn't read a lot about her going into this because I didn't want to necessarily talk about her as a person because I have a lot of like my own stuff tied up in her performances and certain roles. But I wonder how much of that is intentional and how much of it is just the way things unfolded, you know, because it because it is, it's hard, We're we're we're assuming a lot of things, are not assuming a lot of things, And like part of it could be could be her her age of when she got certain roles or when she was presented to us. Because it's undeniable that she's like smoke and hot an alien, But isn't she thirty an alien?

Yeah? Like not to say that thirty is old by any means, but it is I found personally going back and watching Alien, like, holy shit, Sigourney Weaver is so hot. Wow, she's thirty. Great, there's hope for us. Like that's how that that makes me feel.

That's like we are we are. This is the strong hot like and and there's you know, at a moment, an alien vulnerable lady and hey she's an adult. She's yeah, like a bright eyed twenty two year old, which again is fine and there's certainly room for that. But but I want stories about women, like, especially as I get older, I want to see like lived in women, and I think that's something that she's consistently done. Yeah, and maybe in part because we didn't see her when she was young, um or I mean young.

Look we're forty or so, so thirty was still young, but we we didn't see her at that point of when she would have been the ingenue like she started as um all and I think um her when I when I think, like, if I had to immediately like associate words with her, I would be like, yeah, like strong and classy, like that's what I think. What I think is a Gordy believer, because she's always projected that and not always because I mean, when you look at her filmography, she's played against that. Um So, one of the movies I watched for the first time and I had never seen it, and I knew it was a movie, one of the most probably beloved movies of all time of it's era. I watched Working Girl. Oh, now, when did you see Working Girl?

But I don't know, like maybe a year ago at most. Yeah, it's funny because it's such a definitive movie. But yet it I guess it wasn't on TV a lot when we were young, Like it wasn't something, And I guess probably because its politics are very At different times, I think would have been looked at as being complicated or there's aspects of Working Girl that you're like, Oh, if I had seen this ten years ago, I would have hated the fact that Melanie Griffin and Harrison Ford, you know, end up together, like if I had seen this, But watching it this now, I am at a different point where it makes sense that they are attracted to each other and so on and so on. But Sigourney Weaver in Working Girl, I think is what is so interesting about that is that she you know, she walks on screen and she is the epitome of that character of being fancy businesswoman right there she is.

She looks great in um, all of that clothing. There is something that uh, there's a term I had never heard before, but I was reading some interviews and uh it because Vanity Affairs said to her, like, you invented the shrobe. It's like, what's the shrobe? Oh? The shrobe is when you wear a coat like over your shoulders, but you don't put your arms in, but you just look and like, if I do that, it looks like I'm a little kid playing dress up.

Sigourney Weaver does it. It's the chicest thing you've ever seen. Yeah. Um, But what's really cool about Working Girl and her in Working Girl is that that character isn't that that character is actually like a little spoiled baby girl. Ye.

And it's so interesting because you it takes you time to believe that because you can't believe Sigourney Weaver is this dumb, mean, pegulant and petulant. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, She's not not connected, not present emotionally or mentally, not seeing obvious things. And it is jaring because I didn't know what it was about when I watched it, and so Melanie Griffiths, Sigourney Weaver, Joan Cusack. That's why I'm there. And I didn't expect everybody to sort into the roles that they kind of sort it into, which was so fun.

And she is she's she's so hot and mean in it. It's really great. And that Melanie Griffith is who has you know, the little girl voice and the plant hare, but is so mature compared to Sigourney Beaver in the movie. And it's such a great, great flip because you it takes you time to really believe it even when you see it. So it's like some one of those things where like it's using her reputation.

I think in a way by that because by that point she people knew her as Ripley, people knew her as this. This is a you know, she knows what she's doing. Some of the like quotes I found for her, A lot of it is about her height. So how tall do you think she is? I think she's my height, like five eight Do you think she's five eight?

Five? Five eight to five ten? Christine makepeace? What Sigourney Weaver is five eleven and three quarters, Well, I said to five ten, so I was closer. See, I mean to me, like she could be five eight and still feel that tall because I'm five one and a half.

But no, she is almost six foot. Yeah, that's tall. That's very tall. And I think it is one of those things that has defined it's and this is and I have a theory about this because she so she was a theater kid. She was you know, she went to Yale drama like she you know, did all of that.

And I was remembering when I was in college and I was not an actor, but I was in the theater department, so I was amongst a lot of actors. And I always remember like year there'd be like that one female actor who was like five to eleven who was very tall, and they always had like that meant they were always cast as the mother, they were always cast as the adult. They could never play the ingenue because the odds of any man being shorter than them and it not being jarring to an audience to have Juliette towering over Romeo. You never had that. So I think when you were that tall, you often you had to play older, younger, And I wonder how much of that plays into a little bit of some of kind of her natural choices of just being always feeling a little bit smarter than everybody else in the room.

Yeah, that's interesting because I very often like google people's heights. I know that that's weird. Oh no, I do too. I like to know, um, especially if like I think they're attractive. Um, but I didn't.

I didn't necessarily fully like realize that how close to six feet she was, and how much taller than maybe a lot of men she would have been, and how really that could have informed a lot of things that I just took for granted as like, well, this is just the way it is, and that's great for me. But like who she's, who she's cast against, Like, yeah, board, who's not a small person. Um, it's interesting to think about. And yeah, because she has this this not just height, but this air she's brown hair lady syndrome. Like of course she's going to be everybody's mom.

But I guess now I'm thinking I'm glad she's not a mom as much as she could have been, you know, when you think of it, Yeah, it could have just been mom non not like NonStop wall the wall mom. Well you think of it. Another actress that I would that I think similarly because I mean again, Nicole Kimman is also very tall, and I think, and to say it too about Nicole Kidman, Nicole Kaman doesn't often play the Even in her younger career, she didn't always play the wife or the girlfriend because I think again, it's not a natural place to put her because that's counting on any actor around her being over six foot. Another actor that I think in some ways has has a similar career to Sigourney Weaver is Joan Allen, who is also a very tall woman.

But yet I think I feel like almost there is a I wonder how they're I don't know how close they are an age. I think they're fairly close. But I wonder if they ever competed for roles because I feel like there's a similar um, there's a similar type about them. Yeah, yeah, which I which I didn't think about until now. But it's interesting because there's so much, so much behind like so oh it's Sigournion Weavers, super iconic, an Alien super iconic and Ghostbusters.

But to think, like, because of probably my age, when these things came out, I took her presence in them, for granted, like they were just a fact. And to think that there were all these other things going into like her choice, the choice of having her in that, or her picking that, or her even being considered for that, it's just really interesting. And I feel like we've gotten very lucky. Really. Yeah, And she had said one thing she'd said about Ghostbusters was that it was a shock to her for her to have been in that movie and consider for that part, because she was not getting those kinds of offers.

And something that I think she has like spoken a lot about was that she likes she loves comedy. And I mean she'd in her theater background, I mean twenty yale, she was classmates with Christopher Duran, who's a playwright who wrote very zany, very funny, a whole lot of stuff that you've seen variations of one way or another. And you know she so she did a lot of comedy as a young young actress on Off Broadway. But then she gets to Hollywood Casket as Ripley. She's six foot and she wasn't getting communic parts.

And I think, like she said, like she was so happy that Ivan right then like saw her for this because she never in a million years would have even thought that she could have gotten an audition for a movie like that. And you're right, we did get lucky, like we grew up with her already being a movie star. Yeah, I remember distinctly the Alien three coverage because it I think she made like five million for it. It was probably one of the highest um like paid actors at the time. It was a huge deal.

It was you know, she was a producer on the movie and you know, and she shaved her head for the movie, which is something that you know, we still like gas that when we see a woman take that risk to do. But it was such a definitive like wow, you have to be a certain you have to have a certain level of confidence and power to do that. And like she was very she was the rarer because there weren't many others that I think, um, you can look and be like, oh, because of Sigourney, we had this person and this person like no, we kind of only had her for a while. In that In that part, I guess, so, do you want to do a little quiz on some of some of her life facts. I'm nervous, but yes, okay, all right, So I put together some questions.

So some of these are just more about her as a person, just because I was curious. So I did some research and I wanted to make sure you had to work too. It's number one. Okay. What is Sigourney Weaver's birth name?

She was a lot born a named Sigourney. No idea? All right? Is it a Cynthia b Susan? See Sandra orde Sarah?

Oh, I hope it's Sandra. It is not Sandra. Oh that's my mom's name. Oh that's all right. Now it's Susan.

It's Susan, Susan Alexandra Weaver. And where and so? When she was fourteen, she decided she didn't like the name Susan. And her quote is kind of cute. She said, I was going away to school.

One of the reasons I changed my name. It was an all wait, where to go? She said, God, I need a name. I don't like Susie. It's too small, it's for a mouse.

I thought, I'm just going to use this Sigourney name until I find a real name. It was going to be a temporary thing, and then it stuck. Oh that's so cute, isn't it. I do love that all right. What book did she get the name Sigourney from?

Was it no idea he Greats of Wrath? Be The Great Gatsby, c Missus Dollaway or d Around the World in eighty Days, Around the World in eighty Days. Nope, it was heavy The Great Gatsby. Oh wow, I've never actually read that. I read it like twenty years ago, and I don't remember anything about it except thinking it shouldn't have been the number one book on the Times list at the time.

Yeah, that's all I got there, all right. So she went to Yale for drama. But first she got her undergraduate degree from Stanford. In what subject? Did she major in?

A history, B, theater, ce, chemistry or d English history? No? Is it? I thought it would might be theater. But then I was like, now she did her grad.

Her grad was in theater, but herr undergrad was in English. Oh, I like, that's cute. I do like. It means like she's smart and reads and that's probably picks good scripts. That's true.

That's true. Her media literacy would be very high, exactly, she would be able to that's fun. All right. So she went to Yale. She went to Yale drama she had a famous classmate there who always got the better parts, and they didn't cast Sigourney because she was too tall.

Was that other classmate A Julianne Moore, B Jessica lange Cee, Lorraine Broco or D Meryl Street Lorraine Brocco. Nope, damn it. I'm just guessing. I have no idea. Sigourney Weaver was classmates with Meryl Street.

Wow yea. And she said Meryl Street basically got all of the ingenue parts and she did not. She did. Yeah, uh, all right, okay, here's a good one. What random thing is she afraid of?

A clowns? B heights, see elevators or d spiders? I hope it's elevators. Elevators. That is why Sigourney Weaver did not was not cast in the movie Down aka The Chaft, directed by Dick Mass.

Only reason, the only reason. All right, Um, let's see okay, So how many times this is personal? How many times has Sigourney Weaver been married? A? Zero, B, one C two D four?

Um zero it's one. It's one that was well, I was gonna guess one or zero? Um, both of them are interesting. She's still married. She is still married.

Yeah, for her, And it's fascinating that neither one of us knew that, right that you think of most actors who are getting six million dollars to star in a movie in nineteen ninety three, and like you're like, oh, yeah, well it's of course it's because they're really famous. And wait, I don't know anything about them. How is that possible? But yeah, she is married to Jim Simpson, who is a theater director and such. However, Jim Simpson has also done some work in film, including assistant directing on a nineties cult classic.

Was that nineties cult classic A clueless be The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert see the Faculty? Or d spice World, spice World its Spiceworld. Yes, her usband apparently was he asistant director in Spice World. I don't know much more about that, but that apparently is what I am to be told me? Well, I love it?

Yes? And then the last question, which script that Scorney Beaver would go on to ar and gave her nightmares? Was it a alien b A cabin in the woods see the Village or d wall E. I hope it's the village. It is the village.

I think she was scared. How does that hold up? Um? Uh okay, I didn't like it when I saw it, so I don't. I'm not.

I'm wondering if it got any better over the years. UM. Probably not. Um there are I like some of the visual stuff in it. She looks stunning in it.

But I like some of the visual stuff, but overall, it's it's it's not something that I like. I remember my problem with that movie thinking like being into it and again like liking the atmosphere, liking the look of it. And then there was a very specific line that was said, I think it was by Kathy Baker that made me say, oh, I know the end. I know, I know the reveal of this movie. I hope there's more to it than that, and there really isn't.

And then the ending kind of does a thing where it means nothing has changed for anybody? So what was the point of me watching this movie? Yeah? I had I had a lot more problems with the way it was constructed when I watched it yesterday. Then like I've seen it before, I saw it in the theater, and subsequently I think I've watched it like three or four more times, but this time it really like.

So I was trying to explain to Zac why I don't like it, and I said, believe, I believe there's a reveal in a twist. I think there are two each one happens in that movie. I'm fine with the reveal. I think the twist is absolutely pointless. I don't even remember there being a twist.

I just remember the reveal, so the I need to hear this now. So, I mean, they predicate the whole thing on like the reason why you can't leave is because there's these monsters, and then the monsters aren't real, and right, yeah, I'm actually fine with that. I think that that's fun. But then when it's like and also we're in present day, it's like, oh Jesus and see to me, the reveal was that they were in present day, but I remember clocking that the way Kathy Baker says like, well, my sister was walking home one night and she was attacked, and it sounded very much like, oh, your sister was right outside of her apartment building and somebody where I'm like, oh wait, this isn't how people talk at old times.

We're in modern times. And then right, so there's no monsters, but Bryce Sells Howard thinks there are because she's the only one that can see that, but you can't see it because she's blind. So then they don't go anywhere, and that's it, right, Well, so yeah, so there, it's actually present day, and one of the ways they keep them in the area is by telling them that there's monsters, but then they reveal that there's no monsters, and that's just a control tactic, and Bryce Dallas Howard has shown that there are no monsters and then she just goes out into the woods to find medicine or help or whatever. So great, why send the girl who can't see? Like not, I'm not trying to be ablest like people who can't see and do lots of wonderful things, but why not send like fucking William Hurt?

Why doesn't he go like she? She doesn't go because she can't see, and she can't see that these these things aren't real, like she already knows they're not real, So why send her because her innocence will protect her from the awful reality of the real world. It's so stupid. Oh that's right, And then it's like the only I remember realizing this. The only person who has any real revelation is m knight Chamlan himself, right, because he plays the guy at like the tourist center who's like, oh, here's medicine, go that way.

Wow, that's crazy, And movie ends well and yeah, it's not even that because I thought I forget that too, Like a younger security guy finds Bryce stylist Howard and and she just stands there. I guess, well, he goes back to the place to get medicine and that's where m knight is, And I'm like, don't talk to people. You know, this is just a nature preserve and the more you talk to people it's weird. So nature preserve and don't talk to people. It's like, what are you doing?

Why would you just offer up that dialogue to a security person that doesn't know that people live in the middle of this preserve. It's just too much because if it had just been oh, we pretend that there's monsters to thank you in line, but there's not really monsters. I think that might actually be an interesting like view, is like what we do to protect our children and are we really protecting them? Right? You know?

But then it was fucking modern day and then Bryce Dallas Howard comes back and she's like, that's cool, we'll just live in the middle of a nature preserve forever, which I mean, I guess it's fine, but I don't think people should get tricked into that. They should decide, but not a movie. I'm going to rewatch, you know. I guess it made me mad this last time. Yeah, yeah, I get that.

Who does she see's good in it? Who do sheep playing it? I can't even remember she's Laquim's mother, Okay? And what Kim is the um like young hero or that's Adrian Brodie. Well, Adrian Brodie is the person they have pretending like maybe okay, right, isn't he like a little like he's not quite right that?

Yeah, he's in a Hollywood slur, yes, yes, so um and Kim is just like a quiet, handsome, brooding boy that Bryce tells Howard loves and then uh, Adrian Brodie stabs him. So that's what pushes it over the edge that somebody needs to leave to get him medical stuff. Okay, it's all coming back to me now kind of. Yeah. No, I'm I'm glad I rewatched it.

So I so you don't have to thank you. I appreciate that full summary. Um, so, what was the first movie you remember seeing Scorning Beaver in? Ghostbusters? Too nice?

Very nice? Um, I have a lot of feelings about it, But what same question to you? I I so, I think the difference being many movies that I remember her always in that probably were on because I'm an obviously alien, and obviously Ghostbusters. But the first time I remember, like beginning to end watching a movie that she was in was probably Dave. Interesting.

I thought, I've watched Dave a lot. I love Dave. If people if you have not seen Dave, it is such a joy of a movie. I reference things in that movie constantly, the and she is. It's a nice It's one of those movies where, like I think, has a really nice adult romance in it that is something that I probably didn't see a lot of at that age where it always stuck with me.

It. I haven't seen it in a while. I need to rewatch it, but it was like one of those I guess it was on cable a lot. Anyone's one of those staples. And it's just a really charming, funny I don't mike them like that anymore kind of kind of movies.

So yeah, if you haven't watched it, you should. She she looks beautiful in it, and I mean Kevin Klein is amazing. Yeah, and it's a nice like she gets to play a very like fully fleshed out person in a role that could not have been in other screenplays I think, or you know, just end products because she is the wife in that movie and it's not something you see her in often. Yeah, but there's a lot more to it and she she's Yeah, she's sexy in it too. It's it's a fun one.

So the oh please, oh no. I was gonna say, um, some of the movies I watched that I had not seen before, one being a movie I assumed i'd seen because it was always on everybody talked about it. But I and I know we've talked about this before. In my head, I was convinced I had seen copy Cat, but I had not. I had just seen In Dreams, and I always think they're the same movie, but they are very much not for good reason.

I mean, they have they have the same energy, honestly, And who's the villain in Dreams? Is it Robert Downey Junior? Right, he's a villain. I don't know, is he is that right? Maybe I've seen in dreams so many fucking times, and it does not deserve the amount of attention I've given it in my life.

In my mind it was Dermot mulroney and or not delmont Roney Harry Conneck Junior. And that's what. Yeah, yeah, No, there's no shared cast to it. They're two distinctly different films. But yet and um wow, I just put yeah it is Robert Downey Junior.

I'm glad that I said when I thought and didn't, yeah you were. Um. Copycat is hands down one of my favorite movies period. It is maybe my favorite her movie. It's definitely my Sigourney Weaver comfort movie.

It is fun, nominal, it's heartbreaking, it's upsetting, it's compelling, it's a good mystery, it's creepy. She's really good in it. She's very strong and very like um, respectable and I'm I'm a lady who listened to but also extremely broken yea and very flawed. And it's such a compelling role for a woman to have. It is.

I love it. I really enjoyed it. Again, I knew stuff about it, but I also just mixed it up with another movie, and I went into it really not knowing what. I just knew it was her and Holly Hunter, and not knowing who was the cop who wasn't, and then very quickly realizing like, oh, this this is that era where um, where you established like a sort of agoraphobic woman using the internet type thing. It's kind of close in time to the net.

And it's funny watching it today, Whereas I think if I'd watched it when it came out, I would have had a hard time believing it. I think in a way of thinking like no, this woman is so confident, like oh but she can't go outside now, Like I think I would have had a harder time understanding like no, this actually is a really compelling and believable way of showing the trauma, how this woman process trauma, and she is she's so so good, and it's one of those great things where they you see her in her kind of prime and then you see where the year has taken her and you do believe it, and not everybody can pull that off, not every film can pull that off. Well, yeah, I think that's a really good point because it's the way that I think she does it.

It's not like she went from like badass lecturer to like frail swooning like dove. She's still her, just with all of this on top of her now and it makes it difficult for her to function as she did. So it's not like she's two different characters. She's a character and then she's a character with trauma. It's not like she's a working lady and then like a nightmare mess.

And I always appreciated that characterization because it showed that even if you do, you know, experience trauma, you're still you and there's still a chance you could still find yourself again. And I really did appreciate that because she was a mess, but she still was right and good and like, oh, it's so good. It is, Yes, every time I get sick, I watched this movie. It's well and her and Holly Hunter. I wish they would do more movies together because they're so good together.

And it's a great Holly Hunter role. It's one of those like I can't picture anybody else in that part. So good. And she's really good too, because so now you have not to overshadow her obviously, so there's two amazing roles written for women. In this she's tough but also like a real person.

And I don't you know, I don't like cops in movies, but her and Dermott mulrooney, oh and Glory Weaver's relationship just beautiful, really beautiful tragic stuff it is, and it's it's just it's a nice, like slight flip on things where you know, Holly Hunter is the older, more seasoned partner Tom mulroney, who's the more kind of innocent, fresh faced one, which you don't usually have that dynamic in that gender setup. Uh It. I have a theory, is this the first case of where we established like the hard like the hard nosed kind of tomboy ish, like working cop who eats cheeseburgers like that kind of thing, because she does. But it's believable, it works. I think it's also why I realize I often confused her mom mulroney with Harry Kuning Jr.

Because they don't look alike. But in my head in this movie they had swapped rolls, so that that too. But I think we're just realizing I have a lot of holes in my brain that I need to should another movie I watched because you had mentioned watching it and it was on I think to be so I figured, let me, let me this is not a movie I would have ever thoughts down and watched, but I knew you spoke highly of it, so I gave Heartbreakers a try. Oh that movie's wild. It's really fun.

It's fun. And can I tell you, I know this is the Sigourney Weaver cast, but that is the movie that made me like Jennifer love Hewett. She's great in it, and I got her for the first time. I watched this movie and I went, oh, wait, is that what she's been doing? Yep.

Yeah. And it's funny because if you like start to do any research around Heartbreakers, you find very quickly a lot of interviews where Jennifer Love Hewett kind of talking about like basically how awful doing press for this movie was, because she was so proud of doing this movie with Gene Hackman and Sigourney Weaver and this great like grown up comedy where she got to like because she had been doing primarily like teen movies for a while, and she got to go head to head with Sigourney Weaver and they're great together. They're they're so fun as mom and daughter. And then every interview she did, the first forty five minutes, we're just asking her about her body and it's so awful. It's so awful.

She said, like she sort of had like a reckoning with it during um because it was last year when the Britney Sphere's documentary came out, and she was like, oh, it wasn't right for this to have happened, was it? And it is a shame because that movie. And I mean I even remember all when I remember when you mentioned watching it, all I could say was, oh, I remember the really badly photoshop poster because the poster was just like boobs the movie starting Sigourney Weaver in Jennifer of Hwett. And what's funny is like the movie like that's part of the movie. It's how much they use that that it's all in service of what they're doing and who their characters are, and it's it's fun.

A horn Raliota in this movie together, So funny, right, oh yes, yes, yeah, yeah, And it was fun because it was not something I had seen her quite do before. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a lot of people maybe playing a little bit against type. There's a lot of scenery chewing in it, like everybody's very on board and over the top, and and yeah, I think the poster did it a disservice. And I think I think that it's smart smarter.

I hate when people say it's smarter than it needs to be your show, but like, it's smarter than I expected, and it takes them as characters more seriously than I expected. Um, they're not just like slutty butts of jokes and and I worried that about that going in, like is it just gonna be like how mean can we be to these these characters? And it's not. They're very aware and it's all very intentional. And it's a fun movie.

Yeah. Yeah, if people haven't seen it, it's really worth a watch. And it's streaming out there. It's fun to see Gene Hackman kind of really go for it too. Oh yeah, I know, Gene Hackman's like an asshole, I think, but he's one of my favorite actors of all time.

Yeah, it's funny. I have, Um, so, my mom's cousin looks exactly like Gene Hackman and like at what years, like at one point he was a limo driver in LA and people really thought he was Gene Hackman. So I always like have a softness for Gene Ackman because I'm like, oh, that's that's cousin Richie. But Gene Hackman is one of you know, I haven't heard. I don't know, maybe I haven't read as much, but he seems like somebody that he's probably one of those actors where if you're on his good side, you're good to go, but if you're not, he's probably miserable.

Yeah, maybe maybe I've read inflammatory things, but I had always gotten the impression that he was not the type of guy you'd want to hang out with. I think he has had some like I think it's a case of an actor that an in that era where like actors were kind of given the clout to be assholes if they so chose to. So where when he would work with certain directors that maybe he didn't respect, like he was probably not fun to be with. But yes, and so I don't know all the ins and outs, but Heartbreakers everybody should watch it. It's it's a great one.

Okay, so a few more I watched one. Um, I think I can't remember if you watched it recently. This is a movie that I remember renting as a teenager. I was so excited and then it aired on Showtime so I was able to record it on VCR and it was kind of the movie made for me. And I had not watched it in twenty plus years.

But it's on the Rookie Channel and that is snow White, A Tale of Terror. So I have seen it, but I have not seen it in a very long time, and that is the one movie I wanted to rewatch but just didn't get around too. But I have seen it because it was surprisingly horny looking when I was a kid, and I was like, oh, what, what the fuck is this? So when I say i've seen it, I think I saw it in like two thousand. I don't remember anything.

Yeah, I watched it as a teenager, and it was one of those like they weren't making many movies like that. I mean, nobody wanted to fantasy wasn't making money. This was. But you and I were both like girls of the Labyrinth generation who wanted this, who like nothing was sexier than this kind of movie. And it's watching it today, it's it's realizing, how you know ten years later it this became the thing to do right.

You had Malficent, you had snow White and The Huntsman. Like, there's now a whole subgenre of the wicked stepmother turned into kind of the glamorous anti hero leading her own film. And this is one of those movies where it is not as good as I want it to be. It looks great, it is you know, a shot in I think like somewhere not in Germany, but somewhere in Europe where it looks as it should. It looks like it's Germany in the fifteenth century.

And the problem, like it's Monica Kina is not very interesting of snow White. That's always true, are these kinds of movies. But Sigourney Weaver is so good in it, and she's playing the evil stepmother, but she clearly you could like see the whole story. You could see her getting the script and saying like, oh, I'm not the villain. Even though I am the villain, I'm not going to play it as the villain.

And she is gorgeous in it even when she is not. She is just perfectly cast, and she is giving this movie so much more than maybe it deserves. And I think that is something that was fun to do too, and kind of watching what I could find that was streaming, because the other the last movie that I watched before this was that I'd never heard of it. It was on Freevie, which is one of the new two Beings channels, and it is called The Girl in the Park. Have you ever heard of this one?

Yeah, So Scourney Weaver, Kate Bosworth, Carrie Russell, like, oh, and what's his name? Elias Koteas, Like stupidly good cast for a movie that you have definitely never heard of. I think it was like two thousand and eight or so. And it's a drama. It is it's again, it's a good setup.

It's Scourney Weaver is a married with two kids that she's a jazz singer in New York. So her husband goes to work all the day and then at nighttime so wherever gets up and goes to sing some jazz, we get to hear her sing some jazz, which I've ever heard Scorney Weaver sing jazz. And then during the day, like the her youngest daughter is three, so she takes her to the park and then her daughter gets kidnapped and she doesn't know what happened. This is all in the first like five minutes of the movie, and then it's sixteen years later and to where any Beaver is basically kind of kind of um. It's it's almost a good follow up to Copycat, where she is sort of cut herself off emotionally from everything.

So she is divorced. Now she's living alone in an apartment, going to work, still has a very kind of tenuous relationship with her son who's getting married to Gary Russell, and so she's just emotion she's just kind of not there. So she goes to you know, their engagement party and there's just this tension to her which you understand. And then she meets Kate Bob's Worth is sort of this drifter and she thinks maybe she could be her daughter or so they form a little relationship. It's not very good, but it's one of those movies that you like understand exactly why Sbortney Weaver would do this, because it is a good part.

It's just not a great movie and watching it and realizing, Wow, in the hands of any other actor this would be I probably wouldn't have lasted ten minutes into this movie. It seems maybe like it's not for me. I don't. I would, yeah, but I think I don't know something in realizing watching all of us um that I don't you don't always get to see with a lot of actresses especially, is that she's really fun to watch acting with other women. Yeah.

Um, and it makes me want more like really good like female heavy casts with her in it. I agree. So a movie that I have have seen her in and should have rewatched but I didn't like it that much is Vamps. I was going to try to watch it and then I ran out of time. I was very disappointed the last time when I watched Vamps.

Um, but I am willing to look at it again. Uh. That cast so Alisa Silverston and Kristin ritter Um and Sigourney Weaver does show up in it, not enough, but but you're right, like it's she's part of some powerhouse casts because I mean, look at Ghostbusters twenty sixteen. I who, I can't remember her in Ghostbusters twenty sixteen. She just shows up at the end.

She's um, she's like the uh Kate McKinnon's characters like oh yes, yes, yes, yes whatever it's called. When you look up to somebody mentor, I guess, is what this the word I might be looking for? But yeah, she shows up in that and it's delightful. And I remember how crazy my theater because I and again I think you were also a fan of the movie. I will defend the movie.

I really enjoy it when I saw when we saw in a theater, I remember, you know, the various cheering at different cameos. But when she came in, I remember, like Brandon gripping my hand and we're like, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, she's uh, she's she's a part of a lot of great ensemble casts. Now that I'm scrolling through thinking about it, and the other the other cameo I thought you were gonna mention was Cabin in the Woods. Oh yeah, definitely, I mean, I think and I think it really works.

So she does air quotes, cameos or like just little things here and there, and I think it's very effective in Cabin in the Woods, it's very effective when she shows up at the end um she like she has that gravitas, she has that like she commands attention. And when she shows up, you're like, I get what I'm supposed to get. Yes, Like I understand who who you're saying this is now. Yeah, it's almost like not a cop out for a movie, but it's such an easy trick of like if I if I cast Sigourney Weaver in this small part or to walk on and say this line, I've I've, I can unlock something that a script might not like. It's a case where I think the actor really can transcend anything because she does carry that way to her of Oh oh, I'm gonna sit up.

It's Scorny Weaver. Now I know she has this movie. Yeah, yeah, I believe she represents the old gods. Or I believe she's you know, she's the voice in Wally, which is very cute that she is the voice of the ship, and it's like, oh okay, this makes me feel like I'm at home. Yeah she's uh the voice of the ship and uh Futurama right me?

Yeah, she at least once she is. Yeah, um she so yeah there's that. And then I believe when she shows up in um, oh my god, my brain is just much Paul. When she believes when she shows up in Paul. It's just a little bit part too, or like your cameo type style thing.

But I have not seen Paul since it came out in twenty eleve become a complete, big, big mouthf liar at this point, but so I think you're You're completely right at some point, and that's kind of what I wanted to talk about. At some point she becomes shorthand yes for something, and I think that that's fantastic. Because there's a movie that also came out in twenty eleven called Abduction, and that is a Tailor Latner movie. I think, oh, right out because I remember the jokes all being about his apps. So Abduction is a movie that came out in twenty eleven, and I did not really care about Taylor Lattner.

I was I was. I liked Twilight in the sense or I knew about Twilight because it existed, Like I didn't go like, yeah, Taylor Lattner movie. I remember I got this movie from red Box and I put this movie in and I was like cool, yeah, and then Alfred Molina and Sigourney Weaver showed up, and I went, oh, okay, I get this movie. Now I understand this movie because they put these two established actors in roles, and I went, well, now I understand. I understand who you are to this baying character.

I understand what the point of view being. So it was really satisfying and I'm okay with that. I'm okay with you casting Sigourney Weaver to to tell me how I'm supposed to feel because I think it works. Yeah, and I don't think she overuses it the way I think some actors do. Yeah, she's really I think thoughtful about the project she puts her name on.

Um. You know, she's not like a William Shatner who will do anything just to show up and stay in the public conscience. That she I think does choose projects that and I'm sure like she probably turns down a lot of stuff I can't imagine she would not, you know, but that she makes. I think she does stuff that either she respects the property or there's something there for her to do, And that makes complete sense. Yeah, and I mean not every actor also has the you know, the cash I did do that, but she's earned it and she does it.

And she also it's it's been a while, I think, I mean, I just haven't seen a lot of her newer stuff. But to think of something else a movie we haven't mentioned that is such like a a great Sigourney Weaver performance in in the rare case where it's a role that you would not think of her in, and that's Galaxy Quest. Ah, so yeah, so yeah, so so if Sigourney Weaver and Ghostbusters too um meant a lot to me um personally, especially never feeling like I had anything to grab onto in the first Ghostbusters, Um, I feel like her in the second one makes me understand like where I fit into the world of Ghostbusters. Um. And now the inverse to that is the duality of the duality of man, because then a Galaxy Quest, I'm like, oh, but I can also be this Okay, she It's just she's I think she's so beautiful and so becoming and lovely and and kind of bitchy and Galaxy Quest and like a completely different way then other stuff.

And I think it shows her versatility. And I appreciate her giving me another um facet of femininity, I guess, and and and she she was really formative for me, Like I feel, I thought, Sigourney we reminded me a lot of my mom growing up. She looks a lot like my mom sometimes, especially in Alien four she and so I think her playing at all these different things. Was was like, I didn't get to see that level of versatility, like you're either the hard ass bitch or like you know, the non sexual bookworm or the bimbo. And and the fact that she was able to embody so many different versions of that and nuanced versions of that really meant a lot to me.

I think, Yeah, and Aliens Are actually is a great one I think to bring up because like she is playing a new version of Ripley and then at one point several versions of Ripley, and it is a really and now this was probably I mean, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing this was one of her biggest paychecks of all time because it was a huge production. It was fairly close to Alien. Well, no Alien. There's a few years earlier, ninety two to ninety seven, so there's been some time. She was coming off the Ice Storm, which was, you know, not like the biggest hit, but was a very big like after the Ice Storm was probably she was probably getting every ice stormish script offered to her and Kelly and the Resurrection lets her just be an action hero and play Ripley as a different character, because it's not Ripley.

It's a clone of Ripley, however, many thousands of years in the future. Oh and here's another clone of Rippley. Here's another clone of Ripley. And it's kind of neat even in that that like her actual kind of arc as Ripley gets to go in a completely different direction, separate from what she does an Alien three, and I've forgotten the Alien three. I think still for me, one of the sexiest relationships on any film is her intermstance in My gosh, I was thinking about that the other day.

I love it, yep, I love it, yep. Um it's my favorite. And again it's so am I wrong? Alien? In the original Alien Ripley was not a man or a woman.

She was she was. They decided to make her a woman after the script had been I think my understanding and I've never like fact checked all of that, but I think the common um consensus is that none of the character all of the characters had last names, and nobody was identified by gender in the scriptum. So Ripley could have been a male character and probably was intended to be um. But then they forget exactly why they cast Sigourney Beaver in the part and history was made. I think that has a lot to do with it, right, because it's such a it's such a I don't like using these terms, but I mean non reliant on her being a female.

Yeah, it's right, it could it could be viewed as as a more masculine role, and maybe not having her not presented to us in a in a way that an actress at that time might be presented to us could could very well have colored what the types of roles she got well into the future. And I again, we're very lucky because what happens to the Ripley character, because you just I mean you just talked about it. In four, it's almost like a whole different character, and in three there's this amazing, weird, intense relationship that's tragic and awful, and then she also gets to be very motherly and very like. There's so many nuanced takes of that character within the same fucking franchise, which is so cool.

Well, and even I think a lot of people have some issues with aliens with how because in the first film, we know nothing about Ripley. We know, you know, she's another one of the workers on the ship. She likes a cat, so obviously we're all on her side, but there's nothing, you know, she never taught she there's no romance in the movie, and there's no comment about what's waiting for her on Earth. And so then An Aliens, which establishes very heavily that she's a mom, that she has a daughter back home now and now she has a new daughter surrogate and newt And I know there are many people who have a lot of hangups about that that it does sort of take a character who was kind of just a badass just on her own without any anything tied to gender, to then go into part two where it's like, well, now only this is only a only a woman could be.

Now Ripley an alien too, because now it's about being a mother. And I because I think I never kind of went through Alien with the full like I never watched them all in order from beginning. I never like grew with the franchise. I kind of saw them all at different times and sort of put them all in different buckets. To me, they just kind of feel like four different and I I think I stopped after four, So they're they're just distinct, different stories and different movies and because I think even Alien three being so different in everything from both Alien and Aliens.

UM, I am not. I guess I don't tie it to Ripley because I think, like, well, this is the mother Aliens is Ripley as a mother, but that's that's just that one and an Alien three. It's Ripley more as um more as an equal and a warrior and so on like, So it doesn't bother me, but I can understand why it would maybe not rub everything of the right way. Do you have opinions on that, um, how like how much the character changes or how just Yeah, I mean, I guess the kind of that Ripley Aliens is very much defined by motherhood. M.

I think it's um. For me, it's a it's a natural um progression of the of the films, like it is about replication, recreation, um. What is it like gestation? You know? So why it to me feels like the obvious step.

I do think maybe sometimes it's a little heavy handed or a little overly gendered, But then I actually like a lot of four. I think there's things in four that address that, and and I think that that there's so like not to go on too much of a tangent. But like so, we're in a period now where we want like equality for women and we don't want to be overly sexualized and we want to be on on the same level, but that often leads to women being desexualized. And now the green eminem can't wear boots, and we lose the slot. We lose the bimbo archetype type, which I think is important because I do think that a sexualized woman exists, and I think it's important to show, um, I'm losing my own No, No, I'm fascinated.

I'm on the train, keep going, keep driving. I think that to remove the idea about creating life and tying that to femininity is doing a disservice to to the concept of motherhood, femininity, womanhood, because I know we don't want to be tied to gender roles. What is inherently masculine, inherently feminine, but I mean just biologically, babies come from somewhere, and if we don't explore what that means, or what that looks like in a story, or how that can impact a character's motivations, then we're doing the concept of femininity a disservice. Just like we are when we remove sexuality from when we de sexualized femininity, when we take motherhood out of femininity, we don't we were just we just want equality to be masculinity, which is weird.

Like I don't want that. I don't want a version of equality within the genders where I where where motherhood isn't on the table as a topic, right And and like I said, I think it's it's pretty heavy handed sometimes in those movies, Yes, but I do think it's natural and normal, and I'm kind of glad we got some time to explore it. Yeah. I think that's why The Alien three has grown on me so much. Me too, there's that I hate it's it's such a mess and like you know that, it's that there's no version of that film that was exactly as it should have been.

But I think what it works the best in that movie is that And I bothered me when I watched it the first time that you know, we open on Newt and what's his name? Dead? But that it's just this like right but here here, Okay, So here's what we're left with. We're left with Ripley all alone own and what is that? Who does she become?

Well? She you know, has a good time with Charles Dance and she joins and fights and everything else. Like there's something really I think, like innately powerful and sexy about Ripley in that movie and the journey she goes on there that and again to look back, like just imagine a world where it wasn't Sigourney Weaver cast as Ripley, like just yeah, you know what, what what would the world be today? Who knows? You could say, Yeah, I wonder if the character would have stayed so enduring, like I wonder, or if it would have been just a kind of a flash in the pan thing, because she does bring a lot to that, I think, and I don't Zach knows a lot more of the behind the scenes, like he's very attached to that franchise, So I feel like I know stuff about her being very vocal about what she would and wouldn't.

Yeah, I think she said that there would be no guns in part three. I think was like one of her roles that sounds kind of familiar. And I think, again that's very interesting too that she even had an opinion on what this character would do or where where they would go. You know, I really like those alien movies, but also like there are so many problems with three and four that they're tough to like get through and be like that was worth it. Yeah, there they both have asterix next to them.

Yeah, but there's but I think of them fondly, very often. There's great things in both of them. I think an even alien resurrection, which I think overall, it's been a long time since I said, han't watched it beginning to end. I don't think I could ever argue it's a good movie. But there's a lot in there that is worthy.

Um. It's with um. I'm sure you've had to deal with it, the conversations around AI generated art, and every time I look at it, all I think of it is the clone scene, a resurrection, Like they all look like Ripley Version three, Ripley Version four every time. Yeah. Yeah, And you and I both said we have not we Some of the movies we did not watch included Gorillas in the Mist because it's not easy to find right now, it is not streaming anywhere, and I did not want to use the limited Netflix rentals that I have left before Netflix closes its Team D doors for a movie that I knew would make me sound.

Yeah, like I'm sure like gets happy. I know she's okay, but like, I'm sure there are apes gorillas who are not misted happily. Yeah, that was one that I was kind of like, I'm not gonna seek this out. So also on my list of things I didn't watch, um was was You Again? Which is a movie I've tried to watch before and I just can't it to me, I can't get into it.

Which You Again is two thousand and ten maybe, yeah, two thousand and ten, and it's Kristen bell Um, Sigourney, Jamie Lee Curtis, I think, Betty Whites and is yeah, maybe Victor Garber. Who else that's a pretty ridiculously good cast. Yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't. I've watched the trailer for it, I think two or three times, and I think we've started it once, and I just I don't know.

Something about it I think is cringing. I just interest like, oh no, no, thank you, because it's like I think it's about like high school rivals who find out their moms were also high school rivals, but like the rival is getting married to the brother of I think I don't know, so it's all like girls fighting. Yeah, maybe maybe it's good. Maybe there's like a like a oh, this has actually learned a lot, But like every time I've tried to approach it, I've been like, yeah, I I did not give that when to go the ones that I had debated watching that, UM, just two of the ones that I think she's off are often just rived as being like two of her really good roles were Deaf in the Maiden and The Map of the World.

UM. Deaf in the Maiden is the one directed by Roman Polanski, So I kind of decided I didn't need to do that to anybody, including myself. Uh, And the other Map of the World just seemed long and sad, so I didn't go for it. Yeah. Same on the Polanski one.

We were scrolling through UM some streaming thing and I was like, oh, what about that one? And Zach looked at me and he's like, that's the plans. He knows. That's my personal choice. I know we all have, well we have what we do and don't do.

That's a big no for me. Yeah, yep, it's generally one for me as well. If I I don't choose to sit there and have to think about and grapple with a lot of complicated things that at the end of the day, I know this man did terrible things and did not pit and did not and was able to skirt them, um because of his fame, and that bothers me more than certain other trespasses that other people can make. So yep, it's I think at this point it's about personal comfort and what what you what you know and are aware of. Yeah.

I don't think any of us can be air quotes perfect consumers of media, and I don't think a thing exists, but we all make our own declarations, I think. Um So, with all that being said, do you have any more to say about miss Susan Alexandra Weaver? Um So, I'm looking at my list to see if we didn't talk about something. Um So, a couple of movies that she's in that I like, Uh, would be be kind rewind Oh, it's been so long since I've seen that. I like that movie, I The Ice Storm, but I did not watch it, so I don't feel smart enough to talk about it.

And I Witness is a is a movie from eighty one. Yeah, I don't think I like this movie, but I really like her in it. She's really beautiful and very like I don't know. Her characterizations are always so interesting, even if it's just like I'm a lady reporter, there's like more to chew on and and um I think that, yeah, I can't say that. I think it's good.

And also James Woods is in it, so if that if he's on your list of avoid as he is mine most of the time, and avoid it. But like her and William Hurt are actually really good together. I know, I just complain about William Geez, Sigourney I work with. I. I think that this is it's a really interesting movie and and everybody's very young and cool in it, and I would recommend it.

But yeah, Sigourney Weaver amazing. Scostbusters too changed my life. Yeah, and Kevin in the Woods and I always like seeing her in that. Yes, that's basically my feelings. Yeah, same, I think what an actor who I realized at a certain point we kind of I think we've taken for granted just because she.

Part of this might be because she is not overly outspoken. She I think, you know, seems to make choices based on what she wants to do, does not seem to live the you know, very high profile life to where we like sometimes forget about her and then she shows up in something we're like, oh, yeah, so wonding move or what's she even up to? A lot? She's worked very steadily actually, so I would I would love for her to like have at least one more great role. I mean, she's she's I was born in forty nine, so she's still actively working.

She had apparently quite a few movies that came out all at once. I did not see the last Avatar, but I've heard she's like the highlight of it. Um, so I'm sure she'll be an Avatar like seven through nine after that. But in general, like yeah, that, and she still doesn't have an Oscar and I feel like she really should. Yeah, so that's that's interesting that you bring up Avatar.

I have not seen Avatar ever and it's currently on my never watch list. Um, just because so I saw the first one. It was actually better than I thought it would be. Um. And I saw the first one in the theater once you know, at this point whatever, it was twelve years ago, and it did look really cool.

Um. The story was more involving than I expected it to be, just because everything i'd heard had told me it was gonna be terrible, and I was. I found myself into it, um, but I had no desire to see another one, especially get three and a half hour one. So I will probably, but I know like she gets to play kind of what I have heard is that she she gets to play essentially a teenage version of her character, and that she has a delight. So maybe I'll pull out her scenes and just watch them.

That's that's funny. Um, I mean, you don't don't make me think about watching it. Stop it. Look, I man, you you you went down that path. I just I just know it's always right there.

And the only reason I haven't seen it is because I never saw it, and now I don't want to see it, and now I want to die knowing that I can put this on the tombstone. Yep, that didn't see Avatar. You didn't see Titanic either, So that's right, because that I forgot. We're gonna do a Titanic episode one of these days. I've never seen.

We're gone. We're gonna watch Titanic and then Titanic too, the Asylum version. Oh that's fun. So I think we should do a Titanic episode, but I'll still not watch it, so I can just tell you what my assumptions of beliefs are. You were missing out on a Billy Zane in prime villain role.

Yeah, that's actually a really good thing. I'm gonna chip away at you a little by little chip you are, You'll you'll give me reasons. That's the thing I often say to Zach when he's like, he puts on a movie that he's been suggesting it. I'm like, wait, blows in this. Why didn't you lead with that?

So people leaves know how to push things on? Right, Billy Zane is hot and it fell actually Billy Zane with hair and Titanic? What more do you? Alright? And it texts for most of it in a text.

You're getting there? All right, all right, little more, little more. I gotta find another random actor who's in there? That littlepepal to you, David Warner? Are you David Warner fan?

He's a dantic him and Billy Zane there. He works for Billy's aim in that movie. I think I think you're the closest city one's ever gotten. Okay, okay, big hats, big hats in that movie. Oh that's for me on the one that likes big hats, you like they're really good big hots.

Okay, well, uh so that was our Sigrena Beaver discussion. We'll be back probably with what we've been watching at some point. Yeah, sure, all right, why not? Yeah, we're as always continue to be the most organized podcast. And by the way, I didn't say it this episode.

I have absolutely no idea what number episode this is, so who bill be a surprise. But when I actually do the editing, there we go. On that note, I guess everybody have a good afternoon. Yeah, you have good times. Goodbye, Lewin from Miami Beach.

The o AC didn't get too bad last night. On the way, the paperback was on my knee. Then I have a dreadful full like time back in the USSR. You don't know how you are a boy in the USSR. He always so long.

I hope knew the place. Leave it to models. My game is connect the phone. I'm making me US dollars. You don't know how you are so big in the US.

Pick in the US, pick in the USSR.