162. Barbaric Hot Dog Catchup!

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Put on your Sunday clothes. There's lots of whirllow. Again to you, another episode of the Feminine Critique. Guy, I'm Emily, I am Christine, and welcome to a catch up episode. What's a catch up episode, Chris seen, Well, it's when we talk about what foods we like to put ketchup on.

No, that's not true. It's where we talk about the movies we've been watching when we haven't been talking about other movies. Now, I am really curious because I need to know what foods do you put ketchup on? Oh? I don't eat catchup.

I had a feeling you wouldn't ye know. Is it just the tomato eat? Who ascidic for you? Or yeah? I don't eat tomato anymore.

I mean back in the day, I will put ketchup on everything, eggs, tater tots. Yeah, I part if I have the choice of a hot sauce in front of me. I would go with that over ketchup. But I occasionally a good diner, you know, if there's nothing good on there. I'm one of those criminals who does well.

First of all, I'm one of those people who eat hot dogs, which right away I think damns me in different ways. But I'm a I'm in everything on the hot dog, so there is a rule. My father is one of those people who doesn't believe in ketchup on hot dogs. I like ketchup on a hot dog, but also mustard and sour, crowd and relish, and if you got some holapenos around, put them on their too. So yeah, I mean I grew up in New England, so yes, I obviously put ketchup and mustard on hot dogs.

But I worked in a hot dog restaurant in Texas, and people are way too passionate about not put Like people got mad that we even had ketchup available, Like people got mad that you would ask I will not not frequent this establishment any more. Like oh, I'm I'm sorry, queen Queen hot dogs, I think, I um, yeah, it's I you know, don't be mad at what other people eat. Line and simple yeah, we use all of them. I say that. I know.

I there are times when I'll like see somebody eat something and I'm like, oh, this is really good to keep at this on it and they just kind of look at merely go things but no, and I just sit back and I think, you're you're missing out. But I need to let that go. It's it's not my job to make somebody enjoy food more, even though that is a big part of my daily life. But offering questions it's good. I think it's a happy medium.

I think so yeah, all right, I got no segue from from Queen of hot Dogs, but that is what I'm going to pretend myself to be. Uh. We we princesses of um little Smokies have movies story about uh we were talking before. We have, as always a wide batch, most of its horror. UM.

So what we're gonna do is we're gonna talk about all the other stuff first and then dive into the many, many horror and genre adjacent stuff we've been watching. Um. I will start off with the rest of the Oscar movies that I watched. I didn't manage to cram smart. Yeah, both before and right after the Oscars I finally got I didn't get through everything, but I got through most of the ones.

I like again. I just like being able to have opinions on things. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I don't think I mentioned last time I watched Elvis.

No you did. Definitely did not mention that, because I don't really know anybody that's actually see it. It's it's fine. I think that's kind of how I probably feel about a lot of these movies. It is.

What I had to do with this one was kind of sit down. I'm gonna let me pair these two together because I'm gonna say Elvis and Babylon played similarly for me, where I was like, oh, these are streaming, let me watch them. Oh my god, these are three hours long. Yeah, geez, come on, and they are long. But I will say Babylon surprised me.

I did not think I wanted to watch it, but it was there and it was one of those Okay, let me put it on. I'll probably do other stuff, but it's this way. I can just get through it. And I can't say Babylon's a good movie, but I and it's messy, and I can tell you ten things wrong with it. But I also had a really good time watching it, which shocked me.

I did not think I would enjoy it. But it is funny, it is gross. Everybody is giving very big performances in ways that usually kind of work. And I was like, I was like, oh, like, I'm I'm looking. I have another hour, I have another movie left.

I have another entire forty you know, hour forty of a movie left. But I'm not mad, like I'll keep going. This is fine. So enjoyed it more, probably overall, enjoyed it more than Elvish Elvis is. It's a little shorter, but there are things about it.

At work. Austin Butler is a star. He is great and he um you could tell this. You understand why he's still talking like Elvis. He put a lot of work into this.

It shows. The movie looks gorgeous. It's boslerman and his usual team and Catherine Martin doing the costumes and sets, and it's big, it's boslermini, it's allowed, it is over the top and every way uh it I was I couldn't really immerse myself in it, and I think even if I could, I would probably ultimately feel like Babylon, where I'd walk away saying like, this is far from a perfect This is a lot of problems, but it had an energy about it that I can respect, and I think it did what it wanted to do for the most part. Hmm. Interesting.

Yeah, I have two follow up questions. Please, I have heard other people describe Babylon as gross. What do you mean by that? You don't have to like tell me, well, like I mean, I wouldn't think of that movie. Is like you using that descriptor for that movie.

Opening shot of the movie, I am not kidding about this. It is um an elephant's ass as it poops, okay, fair Yeah, And then it cuts to a like big bacchanal Hollywood party going on, where you know, people are dancing and there's orgies and there's this, and there's that, and there's a man there's a woman just urinating on a man. So it's that like that kind of movie. Thank you, totally there is, Oh my god, because let me let me throw in another one of the Oscar nominated movies I watched, which was a Triangle of Sadness. Me too.

I loved that movie, oh okay, but I didn't love it fair well. I just in terms of grossness. It's like, oh, we're talking about bodily fluid being thrashed about on movies. Here's another one that was also nominated for Oscars. That movie was was wild in that capacity.

But I feel like by the time we got this probably makes no sense. By the time we got to it, I felt like it was earned and I was like, have added, Oh, I love yeah, I love so Triangle of Sadness. For those who have not seen it, it is streaming on Hulu, so it's readily available. Also a long movie, but um, and to me it was one that like, I didn't I didn't mind its length because I was entered. I was entertained, but I wasn't Like there were things about that movie that I really didn't.

I just didn't think we're great, And then when you put it all together, it takes away from more of it. So I loved the vomiting and poop and diarrhea, and again halfway through the movie you get a bach and all of bodily fluids being shot at the camera. I love that. That was great. I even liked the first act, the just when it's the two models having dinner and just kind of their relationship and talking basically about money that worked for me.

I hated the Woody Harlson stuff. I just couldn't stand it. And then by the time I got to the island. There's a lot going on in this movie, folks. If we haven't seen it, you probably figure that out.

I was with it and then I was and I love an ambiguous ending, but like the way, I don't know, I just or like there was something overall. When I sat back, I'm like, I don't know. Maybe if I watched it again, I'd be able to at least put together my thoughts on it. But there's so much going on that I didn't quite know in the end where where I landed interesting. So I gave it four and a half stars on the letterbox to app I clearly really enjoyed it.

I can't really explain why I just did at all. It was it was what I would call a vibe movie. And when those hit for me, like it's just I just let it happen and like, Okay, I'm on board with whatever you're doing. I don't I don't care. I don't care if I'm not even in a zone where I'm thinking, oh, I would do this differently, or yeah, this isn't working.

I was just like give it, like, let it happen to me, because if you gave me a thousand years and a thousand typewriters, I would never ever come up with anything that I said it is. It is a surprising movie, for sure, and maybe I gave it extra points for that because I just had every point. I had no idea what was happening. And you know, I think that might be one of the reasons why I was ultimately a little bit let down, because it was surprising me so much for so much of the movie, and even the fact that you have these really long conversations with acts who just disappear like all of that I was good with, and that it hit a point where I'm like, it's not surprising me anymore. Oh and now it's over.

And I think that's where for me. Um. I don't know what would have been done differently or what it needed to have made me feel like walk away satisfied, but I think that was it was that it were moments where I was so high on it, um, and like the one scene where I'm sure you remember this, where UM, one of the very wealthy women on the yacht is in the little pool and she's trying to tell the business. She's demanding the employee like service her, and like, yeah, I've lived, I know you how I knew that you would connected that one and like that that whole scene, I'm like, this is this is so brilliantly done, and so I am so uncomfortable watching this moment unravel um that I think then to like have gotten to that I don't know just to where it it ends.

I was like, I don't know, I've left something. Something isn't here for me that I wanted to be here. I completely get that, I really do, and I and I think if I had had a slightly different experience with it, I would have been I would have opened the doors to me being a lot more critical. And I think if that's where I was at, there's a lot to be critical of, Like if that's where you're if you're where you're at with it, But yeah, sometimes something just happens and I'm just like, I don't whatever, I trust you. And even though it was a disgusting movie and that's what it did push the boundaries of good taste, I never felt like I couldn't trust the filmmakers, Like I felt like, Okay, well, this is going to be unpleasant, but there's either you're not just doing it to me well and it's not punching down the gross awful things that happened happened to two wealthy characters.

Yep, it's very good point. I would I would love to say I would rewatch it at some point. I don't know that I ever would because it is long and there are are unpleasant parts of it, but I will think about it forever. Look like, did you see Force Majure? Um?

No, No, it's on. It's on a short list though, because I have something similar on my on my lists. Nice, I've been going through a certain type of movie okay, because I mean it's the same you know, writer, director, and that one works for me a little better, just because I think it's a little bit more clear headed about what is exploring UM. And it's also again like it is just it is so it is um one of those things I love of this unspoken thing that exists between people and when it's uncovered what happens then and it it's a good watch. I would recommend you watch it, especially if you liked Triangle Sadness.

Okay, I'll bump it up my list because I've been wanting to see that one for years now. You should, Yeah, the same topic of um, a film or a filmmaker that I trust completely my for me, the film I would have put number one on my Oscar ballot and where I a member of the Academy. It did win an Oscar. I was very happy. For a while, I was worried that it was not going to win, but it was the Best Adapted Screenplay winner Women Talking.

I still have not seen that. I want you to see it. Yeah, I would like to see it. I mean, it's it's Sarah Polly, right, Sarah Polly. Oh god, it's and it's Um.

I'm actually reading the book now. I did the smart thing, which as I watched the movie first and then read the book and I'm about halfway through it, and it's it's one of those like it's actually it's it's very close to the to the book. But you can see some of the things the decision she made, UM that make that movie really really powerful and really just well done. You know, I am not a fan of Rooney Mara. Correct.

Do you want to know who I would have given a supporting actress oscar to my god, it was Rooney Mara. When she's good, she's good because I felt like in Carol, I think she's like, yeah, transformative, she is she, but what was fascinating and I've alway thought to me like, Okay, she's one of those actors who can get can get miscast very easily, and when she's in the right role, can really work. This is a role that you would never put her in because she is playing the light in this movie. She is playing the character who is optimistic and who believes in love and who believes that you know, they can overcome this thing and that they need to talk to each other. And like, the last person I would cast in that part is Roney Mara, who projects typically a very more kind of a store, kind of mean model type.

Like I've never gotten warmth from her, and she is so warm in this movie. It is. It's shocking and like it really was one of those I'm like wow, like and realizing now, Like every we covered Sarah Pauli's other three movies so far, every time it's both directorial decisions but realizing she is so good with actors, with getting incredible performances in different ways from actors that you have not seen do these things. Yeah, she's she's phenomenal. I I can't.

I don't know why I haven't watched this yet. I think I'm afraid it'll make me really upset. Yeah, I've kind of held off. I get it, like it it is again, it's one of those movies that you can you look at you're like, boy, I am glad this was put in the hands of somebody like Sarah Pali because it could have gone very wrong in somebody else's hands. And it is not.

There is nothing you know. It is about women who have been sexually assaulted in them deciding what to do about it. And there are certainly if if that is something you don't want to deal with, it is hard, But ultimately this is about the women communicating to each other what they do and what that meant and what they do from it. And it is just to have it's different voices. It is the story of something terrible can happen to everybody, and we're all going to process it very differently and how do you move forward from it together?

And I don't know. It really is a stunning film. I definitely, I will definitely watch it at some point the movie that I was afraid might beat it for Adapted Screenplay, not because it ate in any way should have, but because it was winning a lot of Oscars that night and I was getting very word I found somehow another two hours and forty five fucking minutes to watch All Quiet on the Western Front. Oh yeah, people have liked that. That's great for them.

It okay, haven't. Here's a thing. It is like many big budget war periods at war movies. It looks great and it's the violence is very well done, and it makes you think war is bad. But it also seems to really enjoy making you think that worst.

Uh. I don't know this to me, like and I mean I read this book back in college. I do think this is one of the best novels ever written about war. Um, I don't know that this movie and I understand it's Oh it's it's a you know, it is an actual German made movie about World War One, except apparently Germans don't like it, so that I found interesting that it was not well received in Germany, and I just I don't know what it did that differently from any of the other big war movies of recent years that have like it's combat is terrible, and it's visceral and muddy and awful, and watching men die slowly right in front of you is an awful thing to do. Yeah, I know, I learned that from Private Ryan and from uh, you know, every whole lot of other movies.

I can start rattling off. I just I didn't see anything new here. Um, So it is very surprising to me that this kind of received the reception it did. Um So, I don't really get it. That's that's where I'll say, I don't really get it.

I get that that happens to me a lot. That kind of like, I don't have a strong emotion about this. Surprised that you all do. Yeah. And the worst part about it was its screenplay, because it, even like it does, think, it adds things.

Um it adds scenes to take away from the combat, to show basically how the you know, the the authorities, and how the um higher parts of the military are prolonging the war. Yeah, that's that's terrible. But it also just took away from the momentum you were building in the scene before by cutting to a scene of men in a boardroom. So I don't understand a lot of a lot of things, including why that was so heavily all loved by the Academy. But it's okay, so we're probably one.

I was happy, Yeah, that's that's that's interesting. That just came across my radar, and I was like, yeah, maybe I should watch this. People like it, but I don't know. I I don't really care. Yeah, I don't.

I think if you are somebody that is fascinated by war on film, it is certainly one to watch to see how it is done. But I it just it felt like a lot of misery porn to me, which again I understand what you're trying to do, but you've also made it look like a big, exciting action movie, So what what did you actually do here? So I don't know it. I was kind of the more it was one of those movies that, like was had it not been nominated and won so many Oscars and had you know, people really champion it, I might have been a little more ambivalent about it. But then the more it kind of was celebrated as doing something different, I'm like, I don't but I don't understand what it did different.

And I and I don't know in twenty twenty three if telling the same story, what if that is worth celebrating. I guess no, I completely get what you're saying. Yeah. The only reason I wassidering it was because it was being presented in something like different different. Yeah.

Yeah, so because I'm not really interested on the same That's not my genre, so I don't really care if it's just a lather rinse repeat of things. That's kind of what I got from it. Hell bomber, Hell, I did the Finally, this was one of those I was really hoping to watch it before the Oscars. It came the day after the Oscars from Netflix, and then it sat on my um uh little DVD shelf for I guess some months and then some change. But it didn't matter because again it didn't win anything.

And this was Steven Spielberg's The Fableman's Oh how was that? You know? I did not really want to. I was like, I should watch this, and then after the Oscars, I'm like, oh, I guess I didn't really have to. So I'm like, I'm sure it'll be good.

And it is good. It is very good. Um it it's it's like one of those like you'd be cratching. You're like, god, damn it. He knows how to make a good movie.

Like it is very biographical to where like you just kind of sit there thinking like, oh wow, I wonder how many kids he knew in high school called him and were and said like was that me? Was that me? Was that was that scene from that conversation we had. Um so like and I know people's opinions on Spielberg very wildly, but at the end of the day, you cannot deny this man is a great filmmaker. Yeah, I feel the same way.

Yeah, And it's it did touch me. I did not know if it would. Um, I think again, it's it's kind of awkward in a way to think, um, just how just autobiographical it must have been. And there is something a little weird about how he about Michelle Williams as his mother, where like any Freudian psychologist and such would watch and say, you you talk to somebody about this, because I think I think you you have feelings about your mother. Not not that way.

I don't mean that. It's just it's so like I don't know, like I the more I think back then, where I'm like, you know, that actually is pretty brave of him to put out there all of these things that affected him as a growing up and the watching his parents marriage unfold and all of this and where that informed is filmmaking. And it's funny, Like it really is genuinely funny at times. It's it is not something to like, stop everything. You have to watch this because it is ultimately what you think it is.

It is the story of him, is coming of age and kind of you know, what his childhood was and how it eventually led him to a love a film. But it's good, Like it really is good. It's hard not to say it. Yeah. I think I never really doubted if it was good or not.

I think for me it was more like, is this really something that I even care enough about? Right? Yeah? Yeah? And I don't know that I do honestly what he is doing.

And I think this is where it's almost like there's a part of me that thinks, if another filmmaker we didn't know made this movie, I think it'd be easier to say, Okay, there's some problems here that you kind of have to And I know this was the big debacle was whether Michelle Williams should have been lead actress or supporting actress. And what she said when she was asked that was she said, I played this I took this movie and I played this part because I felt like this is her story and it is very interesting to look at it in that guise as it's not. I mean it is you know, this is a coming of age about this man who would go down to Suan Spielberg. But you can see where a because it's Michelle Williams, and yes she is green it Do I think she should have been nominated over other actresses?

Well, I didn't see their movies, so I don't know. But you know, it still makes me uncomfortable, so I won't say anything there. She is finding something very real and very very complicated, and there is an argument to be made that this should have just been a movie about her, and she should have been the lead, and it should have just been a story of a very talented pianist who gets married and settles down and realizes this isn't the life she wanted, but it loves her children and doesn't know what to do, and that could have been its own movie and probably would have rightfully won. Michelle Williams an Oscar for Best Actress. That is not what we have here because it you know, Spielberg ultimately did not want to tell only that story.

So I don't know. It's I'm like kind of conflicted when I think through like the bigger ramifications of it. But it's very good. Yeah. I might take a crack at it at some point.

Yeah. Yeah, I liked all those people in it too. It's also a really fun, Like talk about the Sapoly connection. There is very much like you can look at it as a sort of like offshoot of Take the Swaltz. So I was every every time anybody talks about it, all I think about is take this completely and it like so much because the other man is Seth Rogan.

Yeah, yeah, I would see so for me, I would just watch Take This Waltz again. I haven't seen it in a while. So, oh gosh. Yes, um those were my Oscar nominated movies. Do you have any others kind of that fall into that?

Ilkish, absolutely not. I'm clay in the least you think I am. Like you see my horror list, Come on, yeah, that's true. You balance it out. I try.

I try. I had one other like Prestigee movie that just never got off the ground was The Wonder, which is an adaptation of a novel by Emma Donahue who wrote Room. Why. I wanted to watch it because I've read the book, and i'd read the book like probably months before I watched the movie. But it was still one of those adaptations that was so close to the book that it just didn't It was impossible for me to kind of measure it because all I was thinking was, are you gonna Oh, this is just telling her the book, but the book had more to it, but you're not doing anything else with it that I'm getting because I'm too familiar with the source material.

It's Florence Pugh, who's very good, but also like, right away I'm watching this thinking she's way too young. This character is supposed to be, you know, past childbearing age, and this doesn't work the same way if this is your guest. But that's because I'm watching the movie of the book I read, so impossible for me to really gauge. But interesting, Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I can't say it might be good for others.

I like her, Yeah she's great. Yeah, yeah, all right, I got a couple of musicals and a comedy. I definitely don't have any musical What you are you telling me, Christine make peace. You're telling me that you didn't sit down with your husband and say, well, you know, we live in Yonkers now and yet and yet, and we're both musical theater fans, and somehow we still have not watched Hello Dolly. Let's fix that right now on this Saturday afternoon and watch Hello Dolly.

I've never seen Hello Dolling, so I hadn't until recently, which feels like a blind spot for me. It really does for you. Yeah, My like main reference was, aside from like Carol Channing singing, it was Wally because it's a major point in the movie Wally, so we sit down to watch it. It is and it was one of those like okay, we got like a whole afternoon is because it's so again fairly long, and it's brand and was one of the last of the kind of big budget musicals, which is a shame. The reason it was one of the last was that it did well.

It did really well, but it also costs so much to make because musicals are expensive, and this is an expensive looking movie, huge crowd scenes, big dance number is directed by Gene Kelly, so lots of dancing, Barbra Streisand and Walter Mathou the couple, power couple of the seventies obviously we're sixties, and a very young Michael Crawford from Phantom of the Opera. M I enjoyed this. This is if you were a musical fan and you haven't seen Hello Dolly, you should watch Hello Dolly. It's on Disney Plus. That's how we watched it.

It is really big dance numbers, which you would expect if you're watching a movie directed by Gene Kelly. The Like many musicals of this era, the stories isn't great, It isn't overly um. Things don't necessarily fit. And there's the problem I had with it was you have kind of three distinct character groups and stories going on, and the movie will spend so much time on one that by the time it gets to the next one, so much momentum is lost from character to character. So it didn't fully work for me.

But at the same time, like it's a big grand over the top, so many oh my god, and hats, Christine, so many hats, so many hats, Like there is an entire. One of the characters is a hat maker, so we have a whole musical sequence in our hat shop and their hats everywhere, and it's so many hats. My measure of a good movie obviously. My other like okay, my other musicals are sort of musical adjacent, so and you've seen both of them. I believe this will be an upcoming episode of The Projection Booths, probably in a couple of weeks.

I was honored to be joined, or to be asked to be on there to discuss Spice World and Josie and the Pussycats. Oh yeah, two amazing films. Yeah, two amazing acts of cinema. Yeah for real. I saw a Spice World in the theater too.

Yeah, my sixteenth birthday. My sister took me to see it. Yeah, it's a it's a good one. It's so much fun. That's great.

I'm has that yes, yet to be recorded, not as recorded. I believe it is being released, I think sometime early May. So I will aleart to everybody when it comes out. I will be on the lookout. I love to hear a discussion about about Spice World.

Who I mean, who doesn't, Yeah, I tell you you want to talk about, um, the I spend a very good deal of time um looking up reviews from when the movie actually came out. Um, if you don't want to, if you like you look at your if you look in the mirror and you look at your eyeballs and you're like, Okay, my eyeballs are fine, right, I got my my there's the whites, and there's my my, my brown thing right in the middle of my pupil, all that stuff, it's all going well. If you're instead like, you know what I really need. I need this thing to pop out of its socket and turn really red and just explode, then read reviews of how um like esteemed critics wrote about Spice World in nineteen ninety six. They truly did not get it.

It's no It truly is a great argument for why you need to have a varied group of people covering covering media, because like, of course somebody's gonna hate that movie when they don't get it. Yeah, like I just don't get it, so yeah, oh yeah, lots of lots of commentary on like, oh, of course, on their bodies and what they look like and um like and how fat they are. I'm sorry what what um? And also like it was a PG rated movie aimed at teenage like tweenagers, and yet the amount of weird sex stuff assigned to it by mail critics. But anyway, when the episode comes out, you'll hear it.

So let's see. I had a comedy that I know you watched that is sort of a horror comedy, and I am just sad to say I didn't like it as much as you did. This was Netflix's We Have a Ghost. Oh yeah, I did like that. Yeah, I didn't hate it.

I just it it felt to me like such And would I have felt this way if it was a Hulu original I don't know. But it just felt like it was a definitive Netflix movie where you had good talent in there, and yet it just was stretched out to where I don't know who it was for. I don't know what it was about, really, I I don't know. It just it kept switching gears so many times in a way that I didn't understand what it was who it was serving by doing that, I don't know. I don't disagree with any of that at all.

There are, of course, well, of course, there are definite issues with it, and I think that is because I believe that it's skewed very young, like I think it's a child's horror movie. I really do, And through that lens, I think I was able to kind of rectify my issues with it. It's not like Spice World. I don't know that this movie is for me like at all, But if I can get to a place where I'm like thirteen and haven't seen a lot of movies, horror movies, movies in general, I think it was really like effective one of these. Um, and it was Christopher Landon too, who I'm always going to be like kind of overly forgiving of because he's given me so much.

I get it. Yeah, yeah, but your your your criticisms of it and why it didn't necessarily work as well for you. It's completely I completely see that, Like you're not. I'm not like Emily what movie where? I get it?

For sure? Good. I'm glad we could still be friends. Absolutely good. Um, I have two TV things to throw out.

Do you have any comedies before we move there? Oh? Remember, folks, we hate laughter. I don't figure out any. I saw some intention I think unintentionally funny movies, but I don't know that those are comedies?

Are they? Are they horror? Um? I think so? Yeah, OK, yeah, I don't really know.

I don't have anything comedy the so the TV I had, UM, I can't remember if you were watching you? Were you watching you? I watched the first two seasons, got halfway through the third season and bailed. I could not. Oh man, third season was my favorite season?

Well, I that was the one with um with all the stuff with what's her face? Her name is love in the show Victoria Madretti. That's when they're in California in the yn. I will say three kind of goes up and down. But I thought it finished very strong, except it does something where um it meant season four, I was like, oh, my favorite character is no longer on the show.

So that was um disappointing in that way. And it shifts gears pretty hard. Season four is um, if you watched like Slasher on on a shutter like, it's very much murder mystery. M hmm. But do oh yeah, I think I did know.

I think I watched like um. Sometimes Tracy and Trixie ain't sorry I call it. Tracy watch Netflix shows nice and they do like YouTube videos of them, and I watch a lot of Netflix shows that way, so I think I might have watched them watching them okay, because that sounds really familiar what you just said. Yeah, he's in England, like he's with all the old money people. Um, it was not.

It was probably my least favorite of the season so far. I just felt like so much repetition of beats because they I don't know where else they can go. And that was why, like last season, I was excited because they went somewhere new, but then I realized, oh no, because of the nature of how you ended this season, what are we going to do next year? And it was, Oh, we're just gonna do the same thing, but not quite as fun in a way. So I was I don't know, I mean, else will come back for the next season.

I don't know if they've announced how far they're going. Um, but I'll be back for more because it's still entertaining. But it was to me it was a step down. Oh well yeah after that third season, I don't know, it kind of lost me, like he killed a realtor and then like and I don't know, it was just like this feels like corny now, like it's not intriguing at all, it's just all goofy, like fair. I don't know me, TV, I don't me and TV have a problem lately.

I just I can't connect to a lot of stuff. So now I'm really curious because the last TV I'll mention it feels like something that is very much designed for you. Did you watch poker Face? I have two episodes left it. Okay, okay, but yes, I am watching it.

We were trying to do an episode a week. I didn't want to rush through it. Yeah cute, okay, skim how I don't actual So this is another thing that's weird. I don't like binging quote un television. Yeah, I don't like.

If we can get it down to one a week, I would love that. I don't want to go over two or three a week. Yeah, I just I don't retain its same same. I look back at shows that I binged and I don't remember watching them, and You was one that was kind of like that. It was just it's so easy to have and it does that thing where an episode ends very much on Cliffhagger or so you're like, hey, I just play the next one.

And as a result, and the other thing too. This is just this is true in general. The dump model of shows that the way Netflix does it, which is here's all the episodes at once, have at it. To me, I hate that so much because it it is impossible to have conversations correctly about it because you go to work the next day, you don't know who's who's how far anybody has watched anything, So you're afraid of spoilers. You're afraid of spoiling.

Everybody talks about it at different times. You have to then go back and like search for articles about the show because by now, oh, it's two months over, so nobody's talking about it anymore. And I do I so much. That's why that's why HBO has been so successful. There's a lot of Yeah, I'm sure Succession is good.

I don't watch it. But part of the reason why it has the conversations going that it does is because everybody's watching at the same time. Yeah, everybody has to come together the next day and go over their theories because they've all experienced it together. And it makes a difference. And I agree.

Yeah, And we didn't binge poker face. We did kind of poker face every every few nights. I'd say we'd watched it, watch. I think that's a good way to do it, because poker Face. What the strength of poker Face, I think for me is that each episode is strong and each episode is its own story, it's own thing, which isn't uncommon in television, obviously, but to have it done so well where it's part of a bigger story obviously, but each independent episode is so successful on its own that I don't feel the need to just launch right into the same one.

Yeah, and I think too with that show, and I really did like it and I'm really enjoyed it. One of my problems was early in the season, which you've gotten to tas so I can say it was that the first the first couple of episodes has had it was like the first three episodes start the same way where it's somebody yeah you really like who's dead? And it was kind of a bummer for me. Like the first I'm like, oh, this is so much darker than I thought. I thought it was going to be much kind of more Murders Roadie in terms of tone, and the first three episodes, I'm like, I'm a little depressed because it like, yeah, she's going to solve the case.

But at the cost of that means somebody I've liked, I've had, I've had to watch, somebody didn't deserve to die has died. And we probably watched the first three episodes, not again, not every night, but like over the course of a week. And I might not have felt that way if it was seven days later, seven days later and so on, because it it's not as obvious when something is similar in beats that way or so I completely understand what you're saying. And I think maybe for me it was the second episode, um where where it opened that way, and I was like, oh, that's a bummer. But when they when they do the murder and then they start at the beginning, you get to spend time with those people again.

So like that's kind of why I didn't. It's like in Fear Street, like when you get everybody back in that third one, like I don't care because everybody, I have everybody back again for just a little bit and then they die. I don't know that softened the blow for me, because I'm thinking specifically of the Subway episode. I believe that is the second and that's the one that really m Yeah, he was such a little sweetie pie. But then when I kind of was like, okay, is this going to be a similar formula on the first one, and then when we like come back from commercial, um, and then it's like oh reset at the beginning, how did we get here?

And now I have him again. So I don't know I've that softened the blow for me, but I completely understand what you're saying because I had that thought like yeah, like oh no, I like him right right? Yeah? Overall, I hope I hope it comes back like that's the kind of tip. I look, it got renewed for a second, good season, very good.

Yeah yeah, um, that's my stuff until we get to horror. So I know you mentioned some action. I do have some actions, but I'm going to say, can we pause for a moment? Of course we can pause for I'll be right back. I'll get yourself a subway sandwich.

Thanks. That's what I'm going to do now, it's not gross. I want to hold him like they do in Texas. Please fold him, let him hit and me raise it baby, stay with me, love the game intuition, play the cards with spaces to stop, and after he's been hooped, I'll play the um, that's son is hot. Oh oh oh, I'll get him hard and show him water.

God. Oh oh, I'll get him hard and show him god. Carrie Mack carry ma, No, he can't read math. Book of Things. She's got to love nobody carry mack.

Harry, all right, give me your action. So I've watched a lot of crap lay Yeah, so I'm actually gonna cut. I'm cutting a I've decided that I'm cutting a lot out of this. There's a lot that doesn't deserve me to be to talk about it in public. Unless there's something you need to warn people against that's very crew, then you should tell us this is I've mostly just been like, oh this is boring or I don't like this.

But I've I've been on a bit of a Dolph lundering kick nice and I really like when he has dark hair, which is which is not common. It's it's harder to find. But seen him do a movie with dark hair. Oh, it's it's my favorite. So we have I have two with dark hair and one not.

So I've watched Dark angel A k A. I Come in Peace, which is about a cop who helps an alien cop get a bad alien is now is Dolf the the the alien cop? No, he's just the regular regular cop. Okay, does does the alien cop look like an alien cop? Kind of?

Okay? It was amazing. Where did you find this masterpiece? I think it might be on two B oh, of course it is, but it was. It might be one of the best movies I've seen this year.

I'm not, nor did I. I I loved it. I really, I really thought. I thought it was really ingenious. I thought the plot was so fun and it was like sci fi action, and and Dolph is not just absurdly handsome, but like also really fun to watch.

Like, so I enjoyed that one quite a bit. Um. So that's a high recommend from me. I also, and this is not dark haired Dolph. Um.

I watched Showdown in Little Tokyo, Okay, which I had never seen it. And I don't know where I watched that, maybe Amazon, I don't know, um, but less good now. So this one is Dolph and Brandon Lee. And I don't believe I'd ever seen Brandon Lee in a not Crow movie, so, like, I never seen him be anybody other than the Crow, which is weird to think about. That that was just it so he was the shining star for me and this um.

He's so handsome and likable and charismatic and boy you really feel that. Wha. Yeah, it's not the best, but I didn't like it as much. I still gave it, I believe, three stars, but it was no Dark Angel Slash I Come in Peace, no alien Buddycott movie. And then I watched now see this is back to dark Hair DOLF.

I watched nineteen eighty nine's The Punisher. I have never seen his version of The Punisher. I did not like it very much. I've not heard good things about it. But he is extremely hot, so it's I guess it's worth it for something for that.

So those are my my three DOLF action movie. I also watched I guess I'll call Cocaine Bear action. Why not? Why not? I watched the Cocaine Bear film, UM, and I gave it three stars.

That might have been generous because I don't really even remember it. It's on peacock now. I had no interest. My brother really liked it. I'm like, do I throw it on in the background?

Yeah? I think so, okay, it's it's definitely I think for some people this just is just like a fucking home run out of the park. I'm not that person, but I still liked it. It was still like I like how absurd it was. It was really like bold and audacious.

It took fucking it took swings, and it was interesting. But respect that not maybe my thing. So here let me ask you in comparison to a movie that I feel like had a similar kind of reception and all that that I was excited for. And then I watched it and I thought this, like, this is whacky for people who haven't seen whacky movies. Snakes on a Plane, it's way better than that.

Okay, that's good. It's it's like so for me, and it's been a while since I saw Snakes on a Plane. It had that absurdity that like camp to it, I guess, but it for me it wasn't good. I think Cocaine Bear has those similar things, but it's also like competently constructed. Okay, this is important things to know.

No, it's it's a good. It's like it's a good. It's a it's a silly movie that's also good. It's not just a silly movie. Okay, Okay, good, Um, I guess this is action so it's it's a movie called The puppet Masters.

I don't I didn't talk about this with you. I thought this with somebody else. This is the non on Sutherland early okay, yes, which came out close to Starship, I believe, right around the same year the puppet Masters ninety four, okay, a little earlier. Yeah, why do we associated? I mean, it's both Heinland, but I feel there was something else about when puppet Masters came out.

So it's ninety four, so it's two years after the Body Snatchers of the nineties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's a very similar story, right. I saw this years ago on cable, probably in like ninety six or so. So the puppet Masters. To me, if I was gonna if I was gonna say what it was like, I would say it was like the the nineties Blob meets the nineties Body Snatch.

Yes, yes, okay, it's there are parts of it that I'm like, is this the Blob? Yeah, it feels so much like that, which you know, I love that movie. So I guess what I'm saying is a hearty recommend because if those are the two movies that it makes me think that those are two great movies of that, those arrows. It's it's great. It's very much that movie.

It's very much a body snatcher movie. And if you like a body snatcher movie, which I do, this is this is a really good one. And I don't remember where I watched this either. Um, there's a lot to like it. It isn't it?

I should I should rewatch it. It's been again, probably over twenty years since I saw it, so I Y yeah, I would recommend it. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Nice. Um, let me see, I think I have another couple.

Oh I saw sixty five. I guess that's action. Oh that's the Adam Driver or Dinosaurs one? Am I right about? That?

Is an Adam Driver versus dinosaurs. I know nothing about You're you? That is? That is the selling point. That is the synopsis is I don't know.

It does not sound like that was a happy sigh. No, it was so bad. I really hate I really hated it. So like a lot of people liked it, Like there are people that thought it was like fun and absurd like a ram but I but kind of like what we were talking about, cocaine bear like, so you can have like a fun dinosaur and Adam Driver being like hot and breathe and hard, but like it's not a good movie. Because I saw most of the people I knew who saw it were basically saying they hated it and it was terrible, and I thought, Okay, I'm like, I really hope it's not for Christy.

I hope that it's one of those things where everybody feels that way. But Christine, because I wanted this movie to be good for you. Thank you. I appreciate that it's given me a lot of very pretty pictures to look at. But Okay, I wasn't impressed by the dinosaurs.

I wasn't impressed by that action. Does he does he fight dinosaurs or play with them and ride them and they fight them? So they make a really weird, like a choice that I didn't appreciate in it. And if you ever see it, we can talk more about it. I'm not gonna spoil it or bother to even mention it.

Adam Driver revealed to be a dinosaur. I think that would have made it exponentially better. But we did. We watched it, so I actually went to the movie theata we had when um, did you see the new Screen movie I did not, Okay, so we won't talk about that. Yeah, I'm just gonna wait until you see it to talk about it.

But I decided we were going to start going to the theater like on Sunday night, like at eight o'clock movie to see movies that I wanted to see. I saw the New Screen Movie and just absolutely hated it. And then I saw this one like the following week and hated that. So I'm not doing that. But but I do think part of it is the theater that we had been going to.

The projection is really really bad, and so sixty five is now like available to watch somewhere at home. We clicked through it and it looked visually, just looked so much better than it did when it projected. So I might watch it again to like look at it because it looked okay, I guess, but yeah, sounds like yes, And so what do we do in action? I think I have two more and go for it because all I got left is horror. Yeah, I think me too.

After this, I think, Um, so I watched a movie from twenty fifteen called Everest. Okay, so, um, I have not seen Everest. I feel like I remember when Everest came out, But I might be mixing it up with like seven other mountaine climbing movies that came out around the same time. You might have, because this one didn't permeate at all for me. So it's Jason a really weird good cast, right ye, Jason Clark, Josh Roland, John Hawks, Sam Worthington, um, and then also Jake Gillenhall for a minute, yeah, Elizabeth Debecky, Um, Mia goth This doesn't this sounds it's like weird, how good that cast is?

So this is I will say I gave I believe that I liked this movie more than the average person. Um. So it's about climbing Everest? What that so like? It's base son real story too.

I think so like the people that it's really unusual who dies, you know, because who dies isn't isn't like um organized by like the most famous actor or the most or the most like centered character is who factually actually Okay, that appeals to me, and that added a little zing to it. Also, it is deeply upsetting, super wild. It seems like the worst fucking thing that's ever happened ever. I see, Okay, was there cannibalism. Um okay, okay, okay, where do I watch this?

I'm no no, hold on, I had to think no. But there is a lot of gross freezing bodies. Okay, A like pieces and parts. But I really did like, all right, you've you've, you've sold me. I like a good I watched many episodes that I shouldn't be alive.

I like a good survival story. So this, this is a this is working for me. It was it, honestly it was. It was a good if that's what you're looking for. This is a good version of that.

Okay, okay, for sure got it? Um oh wait, I might have two more. Anyways, I watched the new Shazam movie and I didn't like it, but I didn't see the other one. But I know people sounds like people like the first one and did not like this one. Yeah, I think I didn't want to watch it, but like I also, I live with a person.

Sometimes it just happens, and I knew I wasn't like it. So like not sounding any alarms. Um okay, So I watched this movie. This is the last one I think that was so wild and so strange. It is from last year and it is called The Devil Conspiracy.

I've never heard of this. It's like a action horror movie piracy. Okay, tell me more, let me pull it up. Oh okay, I'm like in the cast Peter Mensa who was on to Kiss Oh really? Oh yeah he was.

He was Spartacus the Showtime More spar Yeah, he was doctor I think was his character's name. Um. Big, intimidating but sensitive presence, very very great. There shirt off A lot of times I didn't recognize anybody. Okay, So like un letterboxed, if you go to the bottom of the Devil Conspiracy listing, it's got End of Days.

Legion. Uh, those are the movies that it's like. So imagine if there was if Legion was good. Now, Legion is a movie that I really wanted to like. God, Legion is one of the best trailers I have ever seen it in a movie, right yep.

Fully that trailer sold me so hard on that movie I went to the theater to see it. I I it would have inspired me to have gone to the theaters. I forget why I didn't, but I remember being bummed that I didn't go to the theater to see it. I So if you look at the reviews for this movie, people don't really like it. Okay, it's like religious action horror.

It is deeply religious, but I won't ever say that it didn't feel like overtly Christian or creachy. And then the lead woman it's kind of like a bring the Devil Back from the Dead movie. That's not a spoiler, but the lead the lead woman is like has the devil in her at some points, and it's not like she's just like there. She has a lot of agency, and they give the actor a lot to do, like she has a lot to do, is as like a person cast in the role but also as a character. And and there's a couple really gross parts.

It's hyper violent a couple of times. It's a weird movie. So this is a tentative recommend for people. If you like action horror like End of Days, like the trailer for Legion, it scratches a certain itch. But if you're like I don't like overt religious overtones, I don't care about God and the devil and reincarnating Jesus is, then like, go ahead, there's nothing for you here.

Leave. Yeah, no, I mean that's one of those. It's just such a fun story like, I am not Christian, I was raised with a little bit of that education, so I know some of the beliefs and such. And if I watch an End of Days Jesus E movie, it's not because oh I believe this, but it's a fun story and it's a story you can do a lot with. So yeah, I think that that is fully this movie.

It's a goofy, weird, interesting story and take on this stuff. And I was fully entertained every time I pop open Allegiance style movie. This is what I hope to get, and I actually got that. Nice. Okay, you've sold me, You've sold me a few movies today I've got Oh, well, yeah, that's what I'm here for.

I think. Yeah, I had, like, so I want I have a couple non horror that aren't action, Like I watched Murder Mystery too. Oh that was you you were I think you mentioned these was this is the Adam Sandler Jennifer Aniston ones. Yeah, and I'm like a super fan of the first I think maybe like the first Murder Mysteries like a four and a half star for me. This one was a little less enjoyable, but it was still really good.

I don't know what it is about these movies that I love that they really worked for me. Good. Um, what's the other one you mentioned? I watched Footloose for the first time you burying the lead bunch. Oh my gosh, Christine, I did.

Yep, I watched it. Okay, Well tell me what you thought of it. I mean, so Footloose is one of those movies and this happens sometimes. Yeah, Um, I knew what it was about. Like, I know what Footloose is about, and there are so many probably random moments that are very cultural that you've just are jarring because you've you've seen that scene whether you but you've not actually sat down watched it yep.

And and so I'm glad that I've seen it, but I don't know if I have any new appreciation for or understanding of Like I got it, I already knew, but like, um, yeah it was I think I gave it three stars. I enjoyed watching it, but like, I don't know, it's that thing, like you're right, I've seen it parodied. Yeah, I've seen it examined. I've seen it's referenced. It's cultural impact, like I get it all and then to watch it is like, yeah, that's what I expect.

I do still think when because I again, I've seen this for many times, but I watched sat down and watch it with Brannon maybe about two or three years ago because he had never seen it, and I really I'm like, I want you to watch this because I think it is a I think it's one of those things that I think, like you have to see. But to me, what is surprising about it for somebody who's never seen it and kind of thinks they know everything. I do think the John Lithgow and Diane we stuff is really good. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, just that that he is playing a character that I think could easily just be a very one note villainous um fire brimstone preacher. Yeah, but he finds the humanity there and that character is not all black and white.

He has a story, he has inner stuff going on, and his wife has a whole world onto her, onto herself. And it's Dianne West, so she can do all of that in two lines. And yeah, yeah, I agree. Obviously I would never if like, oh, if you haven't seen foot Loose, don't bother, No, like watch it. It's it's worth watching it.

And I think it is a better movie than it got credit for back in the day. Oh absolutely, yeah, definitely. Yeah. All right, So are we onward to horror? I have so much crap I'm gonna have too, It's great.

Throw them at me. Go on, come on, give me something. You want me to go first, you go first. Okay, Well I rewatched Halloween Ends and it's a perfect movie. But we're not going to talk love that.

Sorry. I might have had to. There might have been some editing gaffaws there. It sounded like Christine said Halloween Ends was a good movie. Just ignore that.

People ignore that what she just said, because I love it. I'm tickled by it. So I've I've been looking for horror movies of a certain elk that I've never seen before. Okay, so I watched a movie called Open Graves. Is that the one with Eliza Douchku?

It is? I've seen this one. You describe a plot of this movie, yes, it is? Okay, so, uh, this guy finds an old board game that really this March fourth. I couldn't have told you that.

I know I wrote about it. That's how I remember. It's um It's a Jumani esque movie with a haunted board game, but you can't stop playing once you start. Eliza Douchku is there. I think it has like a butterfly effect ending if memory serves right, where it's like they're able to pretend they never played the game.

Well, she's the she's like a bad thing in that she's the one making thing like, Oh god, I'm so sorry you guys. I hated this movie. I don't know. It's not good. I can tell.

I can tell everybody that I remember it because probably because it was her like and it felt novel enough, because it's a weird timing of a movie. It's like two thousand and five or so, right, it's it's this weird time two thousand and nine. Oh wow. Yeah, I mean she did so many really, She's in a lot of movies from that era that are like the definitive I don't remember this movie, but I know what happened movies. Yes, and that's one of them.

Yeah. I think part of the thing at the end is like that she is an all knowing entity that has lived for I don't know. Maybe I'm making that off. I don't know. I mean, you watched it fresher, but I apparently have a better memory than you do.

For something I watched seven years ago because it was it was boring and difficult to follow. It made it did the two Cardinal sins. It was hard to follow and boring. I don't know, yeah, stop it just yeah, I know. But I mentioned it because it was absurd, and if you want to watch something absurd, there you go.

Nice, Okay, talk about absurd. I have one that I know you saw because I remember you talking about it. Okay, this has two titles. Amazon keeps doing this, by the way, as of late, I keep watching movies on Amazon, and then when I try to find them IMDb, it's really hard. So I have to find an actor's name and do it and then cross reference what the title is.

Because on Amazon this movie is called Down Oh yeah, but did you watch in other places it is called The Shaft. Either way. This is the Killer Elevator movie from two thousand and one, starring Naomi Watts and a million other people. So we haven't talked about it because I just watched it right right. You watched it and you were like, there's a killer Elevator movie that you have to see, and I was like, okay, noted and I had forgotten.

Then I put it on my aque and then one day I'm like, oh, what can I download and watch at the jam And I'm like, okay, though this is kill earlier movie. Okay, cool? And then it starts and I see that. I'm like, what the my god, who isn't in this movie? It's this movie?

It's so wild? So Eric fail, I guess that's how you say his name. He plays Jeffrey in it. So this is James Hurley from Twin Peaks, right, No, that's James Marshall. James Marshall, Okay, the other brown haired guy in this movie.

Okay, he was actually in puppet Master. Oh nice. Nice. The entire time I'm watching this Elevator movie, I'm like, that guy looks familiar. And then I glanced at as the IMDb and he has like six entries and I'm like, I've never seen him in anything.

Twenty more minutes go by, why does he look so familiar? And I finally look and I'm like, oh waity, like one of his only other major motion But anyways, this movie is so good, right, so it's really funny. I'm watching this and I realized as I'm watching this I start, you know, kind of doing some research because I need to know more. I'm like, oh, it's a remake of it's the same directory. I'm like, what the Lift?

Right, the Lift? Wait a minute, did I watch The Lift? And I had to look up. Yes, I watched it. Yes I wrote about it, but I didn't remember it because the Lift is like the Lift is one of those movies that you tell me it's a killer elevator movie and I'm like, whoa, And I watched it and I was that like uninspired by it that I didn't remember that i'd even seen it.

Yeah, I get well, I just I can't even remember the name of it that open Graves right, like, but this is a killer elevator movie. Like it's hard to forget to killer elevator movie down or the Shaft? Is it is? I mean, it's terrible, but it is one that like I will say for me, it was very frontloaded, like the first forty five minutes, I'm my jaws on the floor with like this is bananas. Yeah, and also it's it was I think it when it was like I think it came out in two thousand and one, before nine eleven.

But it's one of those movies that you're like, oh, this movie is never going to be shown again because it is the Empire state building having an evil elevator. There's so many terrible terrorism jokes, like no, it is wild, right, it is wild. It is weird. Everybody is like nobody is giving a very good performance, but you don't blame anybody, or like no, no, Nami Watts is clearly doing what she's being told to do, but boy, it was she probably like can we bury this movie because like, please, I'm so good in Children the Core in part four, I am not good in Down because nothing in this movie is going to play right because nobody's gonna understand what what what we were trying to do here. It's wacky.

It is very wacky, and having two twin peaks after it makes it even weirder somehow. So we've become obsessed with the director, Dick mos Um. So we're definitely going to be watching the one the film that this is a remaker. I think it's on shutter it was for a while, I think so. Also, we we just signed up for a new like boutique streamer that has a lot of like Blue Underground and nice and I know there's releases of that, but also there's a Dick Mos documentary.

So when I watched that, I'll let you know please do Yeah, I'd like to know more me too. Really an interesting fella. Yes, yeah, another one that I know you watched um, and I think I fall on the same side of you where it's like this movie. I want to like this movie. I like it, I'm enjoying it, but I can't say it's good because it's not doing any of the things it could be doing.

This is also a shutter movie. Oh, offseason Jocelyn Donna Hue. Oh, there was so much I liked about that, but then other just kind of crumbled it. It's like, yeah, you know you're watching this. You're like, this is the movie I want to watch.

Yes, but you're not very good at being that movie. Yes, I like that movie. I guess maybe if you if you, if you gave me the pitch, even if you gave me a summary, I didn't think of that script. It's it's a writer director and I liked his other movie. I liked it.

He did a movie called Carnage Park that's really brightly lit, like it's a it's a desert horror movie and I really liked it. Oh, what what is it called? Carnage Park? Oh, I don't know. Pattie and Ashley Bell from the Last Exorcist somewhere.

It was on Netflix streaming somewhere, and like it was one of these movies where I start watching this movie, I'm like, Oh, I wonder if this is a case where it's like first time filmmaker or writer directing his own stuff for the first time because it's so dark. I can't see anything in this movie. And then I'm like, this is so weird because his other movie was so brightly lit and it worked because of that, and this is it's like it's going for a tone, and I'm there with it because I want that tone so bad, but I don't know that it actually gets that tone. I think I wanted to be there, so I accept that it's there. I'm I yeah.

So I have a lot of feelings about movies being too dark. And there's been a couple articles, like good articles lately about like people's saying why or why they think and I and I find all that really fascinating. That wasn't the issue that now that you're saying it I remember feeling that way, but that wasn't even my issue. Listen, so much of it I liked because isn't Joe Swanberg like the Yeah, so it's Jocelyn Donni you and Joe Swanberg. In my opinion, Indy Horror Royalty totally not to be like a two thousands simple Like I love seeing them saying like the basic concept of essentially like, yeah, you're completely boring, right, I love seaside towns.

I love weird shred locals, right, weird bars that nobody's allowed in. Yeah, it's it's better. Remembering it is better than watching it because so much of it was strong, but then like the execution for some of it was just so like, I don't know it can do the story justice. It's weird. Well, it's vague, and then so is Messiah of Evil, which is fine, but then it doesn't it gives us these details that we're supposed to take.

Like at one point they talk about how like her mother was an actress and you know she was known as a problem child, and you're like, that doesn't really track with this character that I'm being presented with, what does that mean? But it doesn't go anywhere. We don't know. We don't know anything, even her relationship with Joe Swanberg. We don't understand what there are they together, are they divorced?

Are they like it's so unclear, And that's okay if, but it's okay if I'm not bothered by it. And another movie I compared it to you it was Dark Waters, which is and was one of the ones that comes up on the Folk Horror documentary. Yeah, and I watched it and I loved it, and it's similar. It's again, it's a very similar story of woman goes to this mysterious island where her father used to be and there's something wrong there. And it's also Kusulu and all that stuff.

And that's a movie where I'm like, yeah, I don't know what was going on. There was clearly stuff that didn't make sense. I didn't care when I watched it because I was so sucked in an offseason doesn't suck me in because it's yeah, And I think part of that is, at least for me now that you're talking about it, was that it's okay if things are vague or open engined or unclear, but don't bog me down with other details that don't actually play into the story that you're telling. Yeah, right, like she an unreliable narrator. No, I don't think so.

But there's one line that couldn't make it interesting, but it doesn't. Yeah, it was frustrating because I'm like, there was a there was something here. I agree with you. I lives very large in my memory because of the amount of cool stuff. It's yep, yeah, all right, give me another one.

So I watched a movie called dead Man. Here. Here's a perfect example. It's called dead Man's Curve or the Curve. I think I have seen this.

Tell me more. It's um, Matthew Lillard, Carrie Russell, and Michael Vartan. Oh is this the if you your roommate dies? Ye? Get straighted?

Because this came out at the same time as another movie, dead Man A Chemist. That was it. Yeah, and there's another movie that's similar to this too, probably. Yeah, it's a weird weird right. Did I see this movie?

This is what I'm trying to remember if I actually watched it. I feel like i'd remember if I did, so. I don't think I did. I I didn't like it. Okay, it's it's not you know, how sometimes like but those late nineties movies like maybe you go back and it's better than you remember, or or maybe you're like, oh, I can't believe I missed this.

What it mean? Jem No, this is not neither yeah, neither of those things. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't. Um, it wasn't stunning. I didn't love it.

But Matthew Lillard isn't it. So we were doing like some we were watching a lot of Screams nice to ramp up for the new ones. So I was like, let's throw a Matthew Lillard movie. I always like seeing him on screen. Me too, He's fun.

We rewatched Thirteen Ghosts, which is now a movie that I love. That is a movie that, um, I like a lot. I think the again, the monster designs of that movie are outstanding and good. That you know, I'm surprised that they haven't tried to remake that, just to actually like take those ghosts and make a movie out of them, because they were so they're iconic, like they really are, especially I think to people a little bit younger than us. I have seen like tattoos of those characters on people like that that that Jackal the Jackal the Head in the Box, Like, um, people cause play that regularly.

Totally. Yeah, it's which is so strange and interesting. But I agree with you, there's a lot of interesting stuff there. They do a lot of world building. Yeah, that it almost feels like, well, you didn't have to do all this.

Yeah, it's like you, this movie doesn't quite deserve to me anyway, Like I don't think the movie they made deserved all the stuff they did because it it's this very like the violence is really R rated and heavy, but the story it's a family and they don't want to kill anybody in the family, and it's this weird mishmash that feels very nineties in that way of wanting to be wanting to be a horror movie but not wanting to actually, you know, commit to certain things. And today I get it. Today I'm much more forgiving of that than I was back in the nineties and early two thousands. At the same time, like, there's a hard r version of that movie that I will I would want to see. Yeah, that's a little less Sacharin about certain things, and find that ending is very very much that.

Yeah, I think for me, it's the it's the it's the weird lore in the set. Yeah, it's just like that house is something else. It's really it's really fun to watch. Agreed, Let's see what else I got? Um, this was the you said dead to all jump off of that.

Brandon had never seen it. Um, we watched Dead Ringers. I've been a couple of years since i'd watched it. I've never seen it us never seen Dead Ringers. I'm too afraid to watch movies like that.

I think you can handle it. You know that there there's a new Amazon series with Rachel Weiss as Jeremy Irons, and I wanted I want to watch that. I haven't watched it yet, and so I said to Brandon, like, let's see if you want to watch that. Well, um, and he didn't really care for Dead Ringers. I think.

Um, he's sitting right next to me, so we can tell me, um my love, would you like to know? He's just shaking his head. Okay, all right, Dead Ringers? Where what you have to say about Dinners? It's okay, I just did you do?

Okay, He'll leave it at that, which isn't he didn't really care for it? All right? I mean fair, fair, it's when you reward like it's not a perfect Scriptum. There are story parts to it where you feel like things don't quite the pacing doesn't quite work maybe the way it should. Um, But it's cool.

Jeremy Irons is fantastic. I mean smoking hot too. So there's stuff there. But I'm telling you, those movies scare me interesting. I'm such a baby.

I don't know what happened to me. Um, I see you give me another one as I look through mind. Oh no, I don't know if I want to talk about it, but I'm good. Um. So Wrong Turn that doesn't remake or the original?

No, the the original? I haven't seen it. Okay, so people like this movie, right, So I haven't watched a Wrong Turn in a really long time. I remember when it came out. I probably watched it on video maybe a year after, and I thought, wow, this is cool to have this movie because it feels like a return to remember and Wrong Turn is what two thousand and four?

This says two thousand and three, but okay, you know yes. So basically the headspace I was in was nineties Slashers were very much aimed at team were very team yeah, and Wrong Turn felt like the one of the first steps in kind of saying like no, no, if we're rated R, we're gonna be rated R and we're gonna go for it. And I don't think I didn't even then I thought this is this is surprising with how much that this feels like a Texas gans On massaker. I have not rewatched it in a very long time, so I have no idea how it holds up. It sounds like it did not for you.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't, So I don't remember anything about it, which again is a is a really bad sign. I'm watching too many movies. Like I'm like a lot of movies, and and some of them just dump out of my head immediately. And this, other than the fact that Eliza Dishcu is in it, and Jeremy's sister and and and Desmond Harrington is yeah. I so I like everybody in it, and I can picture everybody in it.

But then I don't know what they do. They run away from um very angry West Virginians. I So I think what I'm learning in my later years is that I really like Eliza Dishku. Yeah, Like I think I know that back many moons ago, A big critique was that her acting was very wooden and not good. Uh.

In hindsight, I don't know if I believe that. Like I'm not saying she's winning Austars, but like I don't think she's as bad as people say. Yes, she's like a right spot in this movie. She's really beautiful and she that kind of role. She was and still probably is a really good like action heroine.

She looks like she can run away and climb trees and fight, and she is a good final girl type character or type type actress for those kinds of movies. M it didn't hit for me at all. Yeah, and so I'm not going to watch the other ones. I kind of recommend too. So it's oh man again, it's a long time I saw you.

I loved too when I saw it. It's very a very different tone. It's very funny, a weird good cast like Henry Rollins is in it, and so there's that, but like there's other random actors who are like real actors. I think it's been a while since I watched it, so I could be wrong. Um, I loved it, but I have not watched it in a while.

It might be one of those things. That I loved in Truth That Hasn't and seven and watch Now and I'm a little bit embarrassed that I loved So I don't know. I could be wildly wrong, but I really liked it the first time I saw it interesting, so maybe I will. It's just so weird at this point to have like a franchise that I just haven't engaged with. Right, right, that's one of them.

It's always been on my radar. And then I was like, is this going to be too gross or too upsetting? Because I know people say it's pretty extreme, but I think the sequels get much gorrier because they were all also like direct to video or whatever they were, and they like And again it's posts SOL like it. It's that raw when everything has to be really gross and heavy. But I remember thinking two was smart.

Two is directed by somebody of note whose name I can't remember. It's the guy who did the other thing that is a thing that people talk about wrong. Turn two is directed by joe Lynch. Oh okay, yes, okay, thank you, you're welcoming. You know, the guy who did the thing and the other thing, So yes, I would recommend giving to a shot.

It might have aged very poorly. I don't know, but I really liked it at the time. Okay, I might, I might give it a shot. There's just so much there to mine. It feels weird to just not.

But for what. I never watched anything after two because I heard three, and I think three and four were like filmed. It was one of those like filmed at the same time, packaged for like sci Fi channel or something. Yeah, where I everything I had heard had told me just stop it too, and I did, and I really liked to And that's been my experience with the Wrong Turn movies. Interesting okay, noted?

All right, So a thing I usually really like in horror. I love a good cornfield, right, give me a good corn field. I'm there for it. This movie was on Peacock and he kept floating around. I'm like, all right, this sounds fun.

Called Escape the Field, where a bunch of people wake up in a cornfield and they don't know why they're there, but something's hunting them. Then they have to get out of the cornfield. Uh. Is it any good? No?

Not really, it's not terrible. Um, there's a few people you recognize in there. It feels like it's like it should be nobody recognize, but um, theo Rossie is in there. He was, He's been on every TV show you've watched. And what's his name?

The guy who is a twin brother that isn't a twin brother, who is in a whole bunch of stuff in the late nineties and early two thousands. One of the Ashmores, one of the Ashmores, Yes, I think it's one of the Ashmores. Is the guy who looks like one of the Ashmores. We were just talking about one of the Ashmores yesterday. One of them has a really interesting filmography.

I can't tell the different them apart I can sometimes you know what it is. I can't remember which name belongs to which. But one of them was Iceman in the X Men movies, and one of them wasn't. That's the only who are They both just weren't the Iceman, like it seems like they could have been. Oh, I know, it's really funny.

I'm wrong. It wasn't an Ashmore. It's Shane West. I also think is an honorary Ashmore. No that they're all the same, right there are like actually, like he's the he's the triplet.

I mean he did the Emilio Estevez thing where he changed his aim to not be confused with the other Ashmore's so Shane West. But also, and I know this is unsupportable, but I'm just giving my vibe. Chad Michael Murray. Yeah, um, I mixed him. I have so Chad Michael Murray, I nix up with other.

Um, there's like three of them. There's the who's the other Supernoo was Chad Michael Murray and Supernatural? No, that was I think he's both of them. I think he's the Supernatural voice because they were also all in horror movies that they're all in My Bloody Valentine or thirteen. Yeah, they're all the same, man.

You're not wrong. There was a time period where all of these boys because Chad Michael Murray is in the Oh and that other and the other boy from Supernatural or both in the House of Wax remake. Yes, exactly, you see, Mike my confusion. It's probably an Ashmore. They're somewhere, but it was probably made of wax.

I don't know that, sadly no, But did you ever see that movie one of those boys was in where it's all foggy and there's a weird mask. Let's just drop it because I can't remember a lot of that. I probably did, that's the crazy thing. Yeah, I can't remember what movie was, like, Oh, Escape the Field with not Sean Ashmore but Chaine West. See their first names are very similar, so you can see where I get confused.

M Yeah, this it's not terrible, but and like, what I liked was that normally in these movies, it's very quickly that like they all everybody is against each other and they're all fighting, and this one like they actually were all like, hey, we have to work together. Okay, yeah, you're right, And I appreciated that. But that being said, it just it was really darkly lit. And I don't understand why you had said a movie in a cornfield and then have it be gray and overcast. The whole point of a cornfield is that it's sunny and the corn glistens and it looks scary, and this just didn't get that memo at all, and it really hurt.

They're doing experience for me. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, do you have any corn related movies? Sadly I don't have any corn related movies, but I did watch a movie that I think was on Amazon or we Prime as we call it, um Evil. I do you know of the movie of which I speak?

I don't think so. It has that beautiful girl and that that beautiful girl that was in Save Yourselves. I have to go look up her name because I don't know it. Okay, I know the actress you mean, oh, Sunita Manni, and I might Okay, Okay, I'm saying it now. This is a good cast.

It's a also Uma shut a roy oh. I also like a lot so good. So the cast, the cast is what why I showed up to this? Um It's a little thin plot wise, it's very much It's not surprising in a lot of ways, and it really is. Whenever, um, whenever the main female protagonist isn't on screen, you'll be like, well, where is she?

What's she up to? It doesn't really have much else going for it other than how just fucking scenes stealing she is? For I like when horror tropes and like kind of base ideas are channeled through like a different culture's lens. Yeah, you can get like really interesting takes that you never would have expected. And I think I wanted more of that here and I got it a little, but not enough for me to ignore things like it's budget and it's pacing.

But I would never tell anybody not to watch it because there's so much good stuff. It's it sounds that it's good to know going in that it's not going to wow me, but it sounds interesting enough for me to give a shot. Yeah, And I think maybe if I had known I wasn't going to be wowed, I would have had my expectations in a different place. Yep. But it was it was definitely what we're looking at and and that and that young woman is should she was also on glow.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. I remember because I watched some of that. She's should be twenty times more famous than she was. Yep. Yeah, so good.

Um, all right, another, I'll go within a one that also had a low budget that This is a movie. This is another one of those Amazon movies that has a different title everywhere. On Amazon it is called Hunted. On everywhere else it is called Hounded. Oh eighty is a you're going to figure out where this is going quickly?

Um. A group of young like thieves go to rob a very very wealthy house. The owners come favorite thing, ah the owners come home and things go bad and they wake up on like this you know country British countryside of state where they realize the wealthy, you know, blue blooded, very very aristocratic British people are doing a fox hunt where they are the prey, and um, this is not there's nothing about this movie that's amazing or game changing like this, that's what the story is. It is a most dangerous game people being hunted. But there are things about this that I'm like, I'm going to keep my eye on this filmmaker because eighties that it's clearly a low budget.

Everybody is good in it. It's actor I didn't recognize anybody except the main like bad. The main villain is a British actress who's like, has this rich voice and then you look her up and of course she played Ophelia and and every Shakespearean role and she's just so memorable. But also like, there's things about this movie that were very thoughtful decisions. Where you have your four like young people and you don't really know their relationships with each other, of why they're working together, of like two of them are brother is the other like you're not sure if the other ones are a couple or what.

But like they work again, like shit goes down and they help each other and they work together, and they're actively like sacrificing themselves for each other and saying like I'll be bait, you go run and all that. And when one of one of those four basically like kills their attackers and he doesn't mean to, he like set a trap so that it will distract them. But one of the guys dies, like this kid is like really upset by the fact that he just killed someone. And it's something that you don't have in most of these kinds of movies because the filmmakers aren't thinking about that aspect of this story. Yeah, and I found that really like, oh, oh, you you are doing something a little richer than you needed to for this movie.

Yeah, and it even like the ending, I really liked, like it had like it. The villains are very villainous, but there is also a lot magic to them. Um. And again, this main woman is just so watchable that you're like, okay, I'm I'm intrigued to learn more. So it's it's it's a record, like it's not going to blow your socks off.

But if you're looking for this kind of movie if you like that kind of story, which I do. It's a surprisingly um rich telling of that interesting. Yeah, huh, I like that. I like when you can see that somebody's trying something. Yep, yep, it's important.

You're like, yeah, you're like, all right, I'm not a hit. But but maybe later I felt that way about Mike Flanagan when I saw was totally I don't like this movie, but I think you're stuff here. Yeah. Yeah, I like that movie more than you do. But it's also a movie that you're like, I see, there's thing decisions you've made that other filmmakers would not have made here, and I can see that and I appreciate that.

Yeah, I have a few more. What else you got? I have a couple more as well. This is not horror, but I forgot to mention it, so I'm just gonna shove it in. Sorry.

Um. I want to say that everyone should watch Missing. I still have not seen Searching, and I feel like I need to see that before I see don't. Okay, absolutely not so I thought Searching was fine. Searching gave me, um some some reshoot vibes, like maybe this wasn't the original ending there's a plot thing that happens in searching that I go like, I'm all set, I'm missing top to bottom worked, it worked, and I love storm Red.

I think she is just pajamas a lover and she's so good and charismatics. So that's my recommend missing. Okay, Um, but then my horror movie. Have you seen no ce Bow? I have not.

It's on my shutter to watch list. Okay, so it's uh Lorcan Finnegan and I could have just butchered that first name, but he did Vavarium. He does. I don't know it was him. Okay, so I didn't either until I actually bothered to look into it.

Yeah, that's what made me watch. I know. So in this this so Eva Green and Mark Strong. I know. So it's good and I recommend it nice, but I don't think I liked it fascinating.

But I think it's a good movie. It executes it. That's the point of view. But it didn't work for me, So I'm very curious. I gave it three and a half stars, and I'm sitting here saying it didn't work for me.

I can you can also objectively say but this is a well made movie, but something about it didn't hit. Okay, I'm intrigued. I'm definitely gonna watch I'll try to watch it for the next time we do one of these. I would I would be interested in having like a longer conversation about it too, because like it's a weird one yeah, nice, nice, um, okay, one that really didn't work for me? And man again, like on paper it's it's Melan Ackerman and another another person and they're in the desert because they're leaving a cult and the cult is run by Christmassina.

Everything about this movie should work for me. The Aviary you might not remember if you did, because it is I did not care for this at all. This movie made me angry. It's on Hulu. It's new.

I think it maybe last year or two might eveed me twenty three Nayland Ackerman and an actress whose name I can't remember, who's very good and they're good in it. But they are fleeing a cult and they're in the desert and they start to see things and is it the cult? Is it them? Is this all a thing? I don't know?

And it goes on forever even though it's doesn't. It's ninety minutes and nothing and like everything you think is going to happen. You watch a movie like this and you're pretty quickly you're like, oh, I bet somebody's gonna turn around when they shouldn't and have something sharp like that kind of thing. It's that kind of movie. I've not watched it, but I think I've seen the trailer because so much of what you're saying it's familiar.

I might have thought about what because Malan Ackerman will get and she's good, Like the two women are both really good. But this movie did not work for me at all. I was angry at how much it was not connecting with me. It sounds really promising, and like Christmasina is one of those actors who I will watch a movie because of um He's just one of those guys who, like can you do? Wouldn't think to see him in a small role, and he shows it and he just does something unique and different with it.

I just rewatched Devil because he's in it. I still haven't seen it. Uh. It like Christmasina as a cult leader set me up. I'll join that cult.

I watch this movie, I'm like, no, I don't even know how anybody joined that cult. That's a that's a bummer. Now, I like, now I kind of want to watch it. I want you to. I want to.

I just want to know. Maybe I'm maybe you will have a totally different impian stuff. I will tell you though, because I looked up I was curious. I'm like, am I where do I stand on this compared to other people? And like I AMDB reviews, we're pretty much in line with me.

I looked at I'm Rotten Tomatoes and this has like a positive rating most like critic critics really liked it. So I don't know what does that say? I don't know. That's weird. I am of the people, not of the elite.

I guess I guess that. Yeah, um, I have I have one. Yes, yes, so it's um. So it's blood and Chocolate. Uh, I don't know.

Oh okay, So Blood and Chocolate is a late two thousands movies. Dancy in it? Oh okay? And what does it say? It's about wow?

Yah my god, look at I'm looking at the um. The writing and direct directed by a Katia van Garnier who I don't know know. Writers Aaron Krueger, Christopher Landon, and Annette Curtis Klaus, So I showed up to blood and Chocolate for a reason. I'm very sad to say that I found it abysmal. A young teenage werewolf is torn between honoring her family's secret and her love for a man, but also make it real boring.

Oh, it's a It is a real shame. It didn't make a lot of sense. Like I feel like it was the fact that it has three writers. Yeah, it doesn't. There was like you know that thing where like somebody ends up in a place and you're like, I don't know how they got here, or they start talking to a person and you're like, wait, who is this?

I hate that feeling, Yeah, because I don't. I don't. I'm not like, look, I'm not on my phone, I'm not chatting it up. I'm not leaving the room. If I can't follow, then I'm not doing it.

Well. I mean, I'm press, I'm here. I get it. But like on paper, that fucking movie should slap that should be like a top tier movie. Ye Oh, I'm sorry.

It's okay, Okay, I hope. So I think I have like two more Okay, I have a few more than two. I have a few I'll go through quickly, and I want to hear your two and then we'll go through some of the ones that I know are going to take a little longer because there I know you've seen. Um okay, a movie I hated on Amazon Prime called Breeder. Oh I don't like that name.

Yeah, this is this is abysmal. Um. I want to talk about it because I want people not to watch it. Uh, it's a like the plot SNOPSA sounded interesting. It was a like a woman discovers her husband is investing in a company where they are selling um pharmaceuticals to for people to be younger and look younger.

Um okay, all right, sure, what what kind of experiments? Oh, we're kidnapping women and putting them downstairs in a dirty basement. And like, what does I tell you? I got this. This was the epitome of a woman in a basement movie.

And yet it doesn't make sense because you're like, wait, you need these women for scientific research, so why are you putting them in rusty rooms that are grimy and then urinating on them? Because there's a character that that abuses women and urinates on them. Because that makes any sense in a movie like this. Wait, so hold on, I have a question for you. Huh um, the film that you watched is from twenty twenty and not American.

It is not American, it is Danish. Okay, so there's apparently I think it looks like there might be an American remake no happening. Oh gosh, this kind of reminded me a little bit of the movie The Clinic. Wait where do you see that there is an American remake something? So something popped up when I searched Breeder and it says in preproduction, a poodle breeder, obsessed with genetic perfection, offers an MIT dropout a bizarre proposition.

She wants to read him with her daughter. Is that at all what you watch? No? Oh no, this was a bunch of women kidnapped in basements and being like assaulted, even though that made no sense for the plot. I mean, now I'm interested in this other one too, I mean the poodle breeder thing.

So I'm like, I'll like that as long as animals aren't harmed. Than the making of the movie weird though. Yeah, I don't like your movie at all, But no I didn't either, and like even the way it's done to where like you think there's this Catharsis of the women getting to take revenge, like it's so clearly done in a way where on paper you're like, oh, yeah, they're let out. Oh isn't it weird how we have to like zoom in or like show where their gowns are stained kind of thing like where it's like, no, fuck, this movie just boiled my blood because it was just over the top in being just hateful and gross and it I you know me, I love a good violent movie. I'll take a movie where women are in basements if they if there's a reason for it, that is justified and all that, but like just the fact that these women are being kept in such unsanitary conditions did not make any sense whatsoever, and then itself bothered so well, yeah, I mean so they're just doing it to do it, to do it completely.

Yeah, and I don't I don't like that. No, no movie I liked a lot more. And I know you watched this one too, was on Paramount plus significant other. Oh yeah, I did like that movie. I like that movie a lot more in hindsight than I did well watching it.

I don't know if I wish or didn't wish I had. No. I knew it was about too you know, a couple going hiking and you know, and like something goes wrong and their relationship is tested. That's what I knew going in. So the fact that it goes down a very particular genre that I did not know was coming was like, oh, oh, oh, I didn't know this was I.

Oh, I wish I'd known to have been in the mood for that. Oh, because it was a little bit of like, oh, no, I thought I was watching more horror than sci fi. I guess I got you interesting. Interesting. Yeah, it tied me off.

It's good though. I like what it does, and it does it is different and is clearly doing a lot with a little Yeah. So I had a similar but different experience where I thought it was doing something and then I got angry, and then when it did something else I could I was like, oh, I spent way too much time being angry at this, Yeah, enjoying it. Yeah. It's one that I think, Um, when you talk about movies that are kind of like like what what, which movie do we say that about?

Like Triangles, AD and Us, when Yeah, it is so weird and so twisty, in that it goes in directions that you really didn't realize it was going in. Sometimes that first time you watch it, it's really hard to know because because within the movie or within your watching experience, you are so um in the moment and moving your brain around that it's hard to know how you but you actually enjoyed it because you were thinking so hard about where it's going next. Yeah, yeah, I would. I would watch it again one of these days out of curiosity me too, to see if it plays different for me now that I know like I feel for me, It's like I think I mentioned it earlier about something else, but like I don't know if I feel safe or if I can trust the story that I'm in and the person telling it.

Yeah, yep, yep. So like that's one of the reasons why I'm a big proponent of rewatching, because once I know a movie isn't gonna like fuck me over or hurt me or do something unnecessary, like I can go back and be like, oh, Okay, this is a safe filmmaker and this isn't okay. This is going to be a good experience, and I feel like this would be is a great example of that because since it is a essentially a two person story. Yeah, and it really is like you you are following both of them, that there are moments when you're not with both of them where you you don't know who to trust or if they are both genuine, and the character's relationship is in a different place for the two of them that you are watching it kind of with a little bit of like is she right?

Is she something wrong with her? Or something wrong with him? Or what are his intentions? What are hers? So to go back again watching knowing fully where those intentions are would be I think in some ways more satisfying.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Okay, one more than I know you haven't seen, and then we'll jump into the ones that I or know. Then we go to you, and then we go to the ones that I know you've seen. I don't think you've seen this. This is on Netflix.

I think Cadaver. Oh no, I have not. All right, So do you know the stage experience sleep? No more? The Immersive stage Experience?

No? Okay, So it's a play. It's been in New York for a long time. I think it's since now, probably been a lot of places, But essentially, like it is not just a performance that you go and sit down and watch. It's nick Beth, except like you have to follow actors around, and you're like, you could go this way, or you could follow that actor and go watch that story, and then it all meets back up at the end.

There's a Lawn on Her SVU episode with Kevin Pollock where a character is an actor is in the show and she's sexually assaulted and then they realize, like that everybody thought it was part of the show. So it's a whole thing. So if you're not familiar with the actual show, you might have seen the Lawn on Her SVU episode based on anyway, all that's to say, Could Never is a story set in like a European country in a fictional World war kind of feels World War two but it's not specified, but it's very apocalyptic, like there's a blitz going on. Everybody is like in their house, everybody's starving, and our main characters is this family a mother, father, and daughter and the mother was was a famous actress.

And one day this like traveling theater group stops by and says we're doing a show, an immersive theater experience like Sleep No More. And there's a meal provided and come see a show. So they go, they go to see it, and of course things go wrong or do they as a part of the show. I don't know all this stuff. Um it is uh, it's I enjoyed it, okay, I I didn't love it.

I was hoping it would go different directions that I didn't necessarily go. Um. At some point, I'm like, oh no, this can only go one of two ways. Either this is it's real or it's not real, and I know where it's going in either of those directions, but it kind of goes and yet another one that should have been interesting, but it I don't know. It didn't fully satisfy me.

But it's a really different story for a horror movie. So if any of that sounds of interest, I think it's worth a watch. Based on that name, I don't know that I would have. It's a weird name for for the movie because I don't know what in Yeah. No, I would say it is a misleading title in some ways because it doesn't say anything to it interesting.

Yeah, I forgot. I had two more that I'm pretty sure you haven't seen. One is a version of Misery starring Erica Christiansen, but as a pop singer called the follower. Well, I've definitely not seen that. Man, this sounds like it should be so much fun.

She's a pop singer and her plane goes down and her number one fan kidnaps her and wants her to write songs for her and like it's swim fan right, Like so there's all this meta stuff you could do. This movie is not is it's clearly like a lifetime quick movie, but have fun. And like Erica Christianson plays this movie, plays this role as a kidnapped, pregnant pop singer as if like it's cool, all right, you're crazy. No, you're not crazy. I'm not going to pretend you're crazy.

Okay, yeah, you gotta let me out great, Like there is no urgency to her whatsoever. And there's a part of you that's like, I guess in real life, if I was kidnapped, I'm a number one fan, what do you do? You play along? Right? You're like, oh no, you are my number one fan.

I love Yeah, I'll do it like you just go with it. You never say are you insane? What are you doing? People are looking for me, but that's not interesting to watch right. Yeah, so very very disappointing.

Just again, it sounds so much fun. It's just doesn't have the energy, like it's a James and Barb movie. But I don't think they should waste some time on it. So that's direct to you guys. And then the one other that um, I don't think you've watched on Netflix, The Strees.

No, that does not sound familiar. So it's like kind of being sold and billed as a like kind of get out like movie. It's about a woman whom kind of flees her life and now we see her in a new reality and she is married. She is black, but she is very light skinned. She has two kids.

She's living this very very fancy, very uppercross life, and she starts seeing the two very dark skinned black teenagers that she's convinced her kind of following her and following her kids, and something's going on, and it goes in some odd directions. This is not like there's things about this that you're like, oh, okay, there's there's something here. I was up and down on it. It hits a point where I was like, oh, this isn't what I want to watch. And then it has an ending that redeemed everything for me.

I just had a great, great ending that made me kind of sit back and go, oh oh maybe so. I don't know. The hard thing about it is even knowing what genre it fits in, because it's it's misleading to call it a horror movie. But if you told somebody it was a drama and they went in, they may be upset by the fact that it goes in some very dark, violent directions. It is.

It's one of those movies that like kind of like Hounded, where I watch it, I'm like, it's not all there, but there is something. There's an interesting voice behind this movie that I would want to know more from. That's always fun to find though, Like even if the movie itself doesn't particularly work right, but there's ideas there, and there's there's things that I en it ends on such to me a perfect note. I was like, Uh, okay, I don't know who I'm going to recommend it to. I don't know how I feel, but I won't forget it.

Yeah, well, that's that's better than than the other. Than many other day that we both had to sit and sift in our brains. Um, do you I know you had a few more. Uh. Yeah, I have one that I will say, don't watch, and then good is important, Yeah, and then one that I will say, I guess you should watch, all right, tell me the one that I should not watch.

So I watched the final Wish Final Wish lynchha isn't it okay? I remember seeing this go by. I think I think I liked her in facebooks, and now I see a lot of her movies or worse pictures. Yeah. I don't know why we watch, Like, I don't know what tipped us into actually watching this, but I really didn't find one redeeming thing about it.

It's it's really hard to like, it's confusing to like, certain choices don't make sense. But also it's just not a good movie. So like avoid that good to know. And I finally watched Resurrection, which I still have not watched. I will wait to talk about it until you see it, Okay.

I almost watched it a few weeks ago when I had like a dark night to myself. I almost watched it, and then I watched something else. I think you'll get around to it. It's worth looking at it. I just I know I know enough about it to know there is a moment that I should not break up, and that's why I have not watched it up.

Yeah, I agree with that. I would say, don't break up. This is not what I would recommend breaking up period. That's my understanding. Yeah.

So I liked it, I didn't love it. Um there were some things I didn't necessarily personally like in it. Um. I she is not one of them. She's never a thing to not like about a movie.

Rebecca Hall is my Florence Pew. I like the way people get about or me a goth like Yeah, the way that people get about them. That's how I feel about And you still haven't seen I have not You need to see Passing because not only is she one of the best actresses of our generation, she is also apparently very possibly one of the best directors. Oh she's so great, you've just been She's great and everything. So finally watched that Happy I watched it.

I don't necessarily know if it's fully a Christine movie, got it? I think that's it. I don't think I have anything else worth talking about, all Right. The few that I have, I just I know for a fact you've seen them. So Um.

The first one is the movie that I watch. I remember now I watched this instead of Resurrection. I was I was like, oh, I'm gonna watch a movie tonight. Brandon was away. I had this whole week to myself where I was like, Okay, let me cram in all these movies that I wanted to watch.

What the lights out? And I looked at it. I was thinking, might have even been Running Time related, where I'm like, no, let me watch this one. We're going to the World's Fair. Did you hate it?

No? I loved to hit all right, Okay? Cool I because we talked about this when I mentioned Skinner Morn, how I did not care for Skinna Morn did not work for me at all, and I thought, oh, no, it's gonna be the same experience. I didn't. I'm not.

I did not. Fully, I had no idea what I was getting. I just knew that it was kind of a very INTERNETI viby movie. So I did the thing. I turned the lights out.

I put my headphones in to watch it, so it was even closer to the sound. UM. And I don't know what this was. I don't know what it was all saying. UM, But I found this riveting and things about it that I were really powerful that stayed with me.

I do want to go back and watch it again at some point in life. I want to see everything this filmmaker makes because it was just unusual, but not like I mean, skin Rink is unusual too, and it's doing things I haven't seen done before. But it didn't connect to me. It didn't hit my bloodstream, whereas this one really did. Oh, that's so exciting.

I found There's a couple parts in it that Zack and I paused it to like to talk about the wore and to read what was on screen, and like we got really into it and I really liked it. I haven't watched it again. Yeah, the original time I bought it, they did a physical relief good but like I'm kind of nervous too because that it was a little difficult. I find I found parts a bit difficult, but also I had such like a unique experience with it that I'm I don't know what my rewatch experience will be, and I kind of treasure that experience that I currently have. I think I would say it would be neat to go back to because there are things that you that you don't know that after with the movie ends, you kind of do maybe you know or you can put a face to something.

But this is one of those things where like I realized, like how and maybe it's a generational thing or what. But I watched it and I left the movie kind of feeling like a little bit like satisfied and like, Okay, we ended in a certain place. And then like the first thing I read of a comment about it that was like pointing out something about what I'd seen that I was like, oh shit, what did I just see? Did I just did? Should I believe what I just saw?

And it was like duh, I didn't even get the whole idea that this all of this is kind of subject to debate in a way, and it was so like eye opening in a way of oh, you might not have seen the movie you thought you just saw. So I would love to go back to it because I think you can. This is one day. Every time you go back to you might see something different. Anyway.

Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'm glad you liked it. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's it's there's challenging things about it. So I understand when people don't, you know, I get it. Yeah, it's yeah, it's a hard one to know it where you're gonna fall, because you know the same with Skinner Rink.

I think some people are gonna watch that and just be sucked into it, and I that's fine. It didn't suck me in. This one did. Yeah, I still need to watch it. Yeah you do, just to know where you stand truly at this point.

Another one I watched because I knew I had to um and it was finally Umpcox. So again, this was another one of those party weeks for me unrated cut of Megan. Oh, I haven't seen the unrated cut because I thought I thought it was good, but I only watch I didn't. I haven't seen it. I hadn't seen it at all yet.

So it was just sitting down to watch it for the first time and I went for the unrated. So curious about that unrated cut. If it makes it worth it, I don't know, because I don't know where it was missing or what you know, Okay, I mean this version was certainly violent, um, but I don't know what was added or what was taken out. Rather, but this, I mean, like from the I knew, like I don't know, it's weird because this obviously a movie made for me, but it was one of those movies it's like made for me. But then everybody found it, so it was like, oh, okay, i'll cook at to it when it's spens a voluble today, I get that.

So I was a little bit worried that I that it wasn't, you know, gonna hit those expectations. But like as soon as it starts and the opening of the movie is a commercial for those furby things, I was so in. I got I was okay, where this is where we're going. I got it. We're there, and I did really love it.

Uh. And then the restroom ones that I oh, no, no, no one more. I loved that I know you loved. So I'll talk about this one and then I'll talk about the two that I didn't. Uh.

One that I know was one that you cared for quite a bit. Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. I need to rewatch it. I think about it. I think about it maybe once every other day.

It was so good. It was one that I was like, I hope I like it because I know how much Christine likes it. And yes, I was taken in it. I can't remember what we talked about the last time when you talked about this, I had watched a movie that was like also about young people, but it was awful, and we were like saying, how the difference of like, it's not about having likable characters or whatnot, like, but there has to be some I don't know, some truth to your characters or something, some entertaining. I can hate people on screen, but I want, but I need to want to hate them or want to see them do stuff.

And that was yeah. And they're all so engaging, they're so cool and awful. Yep. And I think I, I don't know, rewind the tape to when I first talked about it. I really do think that I knew or i'd kind of guessed what it was doing and when it when it when it was revealed that that was what it was doing.

Ye, I've never been so happy watching as well you should be. I did not. I was like, oh my god, I can't believe it's doing it. I hit points where I'm like, I have I have absolutely no idea what's actually going on. But I wasn't thinking about it because I'm watching so much else happen.

And again one of I said this about straights too, like the ending, the the the ending of this movie made me so happy. And I know people thought. I know that people had the exact opposite reaction. I thought it was a cop out. I thought it was anti climactic.

They thought it was too much anast thing that made sense it and and that's the thing. It wasn't like you know how like reveal versus twist and all that shit, and like don't spoil something. So you're right, the whole movie is building to that, and and the whole movie is projecting that that's what happened, but you don't necessarily know that because you don't know what happened. That's yeah, you're not, you're yeah, but the movie knows what happened, and it's and it's and it's not shy about it if you think. I like so like that's why I was kind of like, wait a second, it's right.

Adds up correctly when you start to look at who was where when and all of that. And if you're watching this carefully to solve something, you you could solve it. And I love that. Yeah, I do not understand. And the people that that felt as negatively as they did about this, and I and that's everyone's you know, got their right to their own feelings and stuff.

And I'm not saying they're wrong. It's just I truly, on a on a fundamental level, do not understand. Yep, I'm with you. I'm with you. Um okay, I got two more left and then we'll wrap it up.

So both of these, I know you saw one. I did the weird thing where I'm like, damn it, I'm gonna pay to rent this movie because I'm I'm curious enough to see what I do differently from the book. And then a week later it was on Peacock So I was mad at myself, but that's okay. This was M Knight Chamalan's A Knock at the Cabin, the adaptation of Paul Tremblay's The Cabin at the End of the World. I know you saw this, Yes I did.

Yeah. It is again as I said about Spielberg, like Schamalan's not going to make a bad, bad movie, Like even there's things about this that are very good, the like really good performance, is good casting, what is fascinating. And I knew this going in, like I wanted to watch it because I was so curious because I had I knew enough to know that it that it did not follow the book all the way, and that intrigued me because I really liked the book and I was curious, what are the directions you would go in with this story. This movie did that cardinal thing of like making the worst decision in adapting something, because it follows the book really closely for the first three acts or however many acts you break this down to, and then it makes a decision that is very particular and I could say problematic and is a very different decision made from the source material that just left me.

And again it's it's I Yes, I can't say how I would feel about this movie. If I had not read the book. I think I still would have really hated where it went, because I think it sets up something and then goes a direction I just would not have gone if this was my story. I didn't read the book, so I don't know, like I don't really know the difference, but I will say I know that they changed something and a lot of people didn't like that, and I you know, there's one thing they changed in terms of a character's fate that maybe you did not on a page. It might be different than seeing it on film.

I was okay with that. I get that decision, but where it goes after that, if you will to ultimately revealing what's going on, which is a very differ handled very differently in the book. It to me so having none of that knowledge and just kind of coming in to see a movie that I knew people maybe weren't jazzed about changes, it just felt really like there was no tension and there was no real stakes because I guess part of the book and I could be wrong, So this isn't a spoiler. I think part of the book is that you don't know if the choices are real or need to be made, or if everything's right. But the movie is pretty explicit, right it feels that way, Yeah, and to the movie feels and part of this too is just the nature of like it would be kind of surprising if a movie, if a horror movie like this, didn't wasn't clear about things being real or not real.

But yeah, there's a lot more doubt placed in the book, and it makes sense for there to be doubt, and it's much more interesting that way, because you really you're reading the book from different characters, but you're still mostly on the family. You're not in the heads of the cult or whatever you want to call them, which makes perfect sense because you were with them as they try to navigate what is real and what's not, Whereas the movie just feels very definitive that things are what they seem. End gives you a very clear answer on that and ends up being very That's the other thing that's really interesting about the book is that it is one of those things that calls upon, well, if this is real, if this is God, this God is a fucking asshole.

And that's really interesting. And the movie kind of peels that back a little bit and goes in a direction that you end up, on one hand, thinking you have a certain kind of ending, but if you sit back and think about that ending, it's not that ending. But I don't think the movie wants you to think about the ending that way. No, And I think I know what you mean. Yes, I think I did see somebody else talking.

Yeah, And that's weird, right. It feels like it really undercut. So I'm not Paul Trembley. I don't know Paul Tremble, but it feels like it kind of undercut, like the point of his origin very much, which is frustrating. Yeah, and yet in doing so, it kind of also points out if you think about it for more than five minutes.

Wait, but this is even worse in a way that I don't know that there is a you know, we talked earlier about like Christianity in horror movies, and it's always an interesting thing like because again, like it's icon it's iconography that we all understand, whether we believe it or we're raised with it or not. We know what certain things mean to people. And sometimes you watch a movie and you've start when you when you realize that the filmmaker is really firm in certain beliefs, it might then it tells you, Okay, well, like I can't take this movie any other way because clearly the filmmaker wants this is what they're trying to say. Except if I were to sit down at a table with them night Chamelan, I would be able to have an argument with him and say, yeah, but you're still really fucked up about this, And I don't know if he even saw that.

And it's so it's disappointing, especially after a few of his movies that are like his last two movies that really. I loved Old, I loved the visit, and this one in terms of filmmaking, is good, but it is a big step down to me in terms of him reading feeling the same way about these things as to me, which just makes it a hard thing to connect to. Yeah, I still haven't seen Old. I don't know that. It's so dumb and so fun.

I love it. Yeah, all right, last one. I know. I did want to say this one for laughs because I wanted because I know we'll probably spoil some of it because it is so I waited to watch it. I everybody talked about it.

I'm like, I know I have to watch this. Let me, let me finally sit down and do it. And I know the internet really liked this movie. I remember you not being the biggest fan. I'm happy to say I join your side with Barbarian.

Yeah, it's a movie. It's a forty five minutes of a really good movie. The beginning. I like the beginning a lot. I liked Act one.

And we'll spoil this movie because it it's been out for a while, so you can find it now. And I think it's hard to talk about what I what didn't work for me. I liked the this tense Airbnb kind of just that movie. I would have watched that movie. I would have watched a movie about coming to an airbnb and there's a handsome man already there who might be a killer or might just be a nice guy.

It's so now, nobody can make that movie. Barbarian took it, ruined it. Nobody can make that movie, and that makes me upset, because that is a good idea. It's a good idea. And I even liked this idea of like this our lead character being somebody who is in situations where she should run away, but she's a good person and she doesn't want to leave people to die.

I like that idea because it can be frustrating to watch these movies, and this one in particular, because there are two times where she could have gotten away and she instead chooses to save somebody, whether he deserves it or not. I didn't even mind the switch to the justin long as a Hollywood douchebag. I was kind of with it. I'm like, all right, this is entertaining. I like where this is going.

And then we talked earlier about movies that just have to have women raped in basements what reason did we have to have women raped in basements in this movie? I don't know that's the problem though, right, Yeah, so people working because so there is a there is like a chrone type archetype in this Yeah there is. We're gonna talk about that. But so people had a big problem with that. Some people did, I think right minded people did.

Um. I just to me, this movie felt like it maybe didn't care for me as a woman because and I can't really justify it any Oh no, I'm I am with you because you get to the monster of this story, presumably right at your your initial monster is this crone who is grotesque, who is in every possible way grotesque, and it is supposed to be I guess what the his dog? I don't It doesn't make sense when you actually sit back and try to figure out like how this is happening. And it also doesn't make sense. Um.

But also it's this like female mother character, and the motherhood part isn't important because that's ultimately what saves our our heroes, that's how they're able to kind of navigate things. Um, So you're gonna make this this female character your your monster, but your hero, and you know that was played by a man. M. Yeah, this is a really weird choice, really weird choice, really weird choice for this movie. And the other part too.

It is you have this goblin of a man who is kidnapping women and putting them in his basement, and I guess they have babies, and then those babies have babies and he eventually dies like not, but that's not even the all of that, like and then and it's frustrating because that justin long stuff was interesting and just and him then trying to do the right thing and then giving up really quickly, Like I was like, okay, that that's an interesting choice right there. You're telling me a story I haven't really seen. I'm there for this part. Who told you that you had to have women raped in basements? Like it just took so much of a forced leap into this area that was so unnecessary and hateful that really did just like what what why are you doing?

This is how I felt about that. It is a series of choices that I don't get. Yeah, and I don't. And this is obviously I always preface bullshit like this. This is not anything against somebody that did enjoy it, but I don't get it, Like what did you like?

I mean there the tonal shifts are interesting, Like yeah, the way how how much this goes from one movie to a different movie. Um, that really worked for me. I thought that was that was interesting. Um, Justin Long is really good knit. Just how hard he commits to this really worked for me to where I was like, Okay, you're again like we said about bodies bodies, like you're a douchebag, but I'm I'm interested in watching you be a douchebag.

Um that then to cloud it with this just very totally different too, because you have like I don't know, think of that. The whole opening of the Airbnb stuff has a really specific like there's a danger, but it's also not going in a direction where like you're you're getting a certain feel and that's hard to do and it achieves it. And the Justin Long thing is a completely different direction, but it's going somewhere and you're with it. That then to shift into this decision like you you can't just throw serial rapist monster at me and not with any justification in a movie like this, it just it is such a sour note that I just really really bothered me it's bothersome, it's it ends up. So for me, my takeaway, it was unpleasant.

I don't like that feeling like I don't mind gross stuff or unpleasant things. It was just something like viscerally unpleasant and not in like a way that I feel like a filmmaker should be aiming for, and not in a way that was saying anything. That's a that's a huge part of it. And I think people really latched on based on what fan art and T shirts and iconography from this movie seems to be people really latched onto the things that I didn't like, which is very odd. Yeah, you're you're completely right.

The Bill scars Yard stuff at the beginning was interesting because it was you didn't know, and to find out that you could trust him was actually like really heartbreaking. And then it was like, now now let's do some casual misogyny. And I didn't understand why it took that turn, Like I understood that justin wunggy, like I got that I got what this was doing. This was a like just it's telling a completely different story, but it's showing in a way like you could link it and say like, oh right, because this is what this man could have been like she could have gone into this guy's Airbnb and it would have been this guy and he would have done terrible things. But it does that in a way that's like and even the writing around that is really interesting that he's you know, he's brushing it off like he is separately accused of rape, which we find out he did do, but the way he's brushing it off is very like, Okay, I've heard that.

I can hear this justification. I hear what you're saying here, and you hear when he confesses and how casual it is, but how he's justifying in his mind and all of that, I'm like, Okay, you've you've told a story here. I'm there, and here's just the crazy guy who kidnaps women and rapes in his basement and had raped their babies. I guess I don't know, like why why did you go there? I don't I really don't understand it.

Yeah, I really don't understand it, and and it makes me feel like I'm maybe being too like emotional about But then like what is film if not emotional? Like I can I can decide that something made me feel bad, not in a way that I'm interested in feeling like because we're all going to the World's Fair kind of made me feel bad, right, but like in an introspective, interesting way that made me want to explore all of the emotions around this. This made me feel bad because I feel like maybe you you hate older women or like the reproductive element of like there's something about me that I don't think you like it. I can't quite put my finger off. Yeah, but exactly, it's it's just weird decisions that that do that kind of like revealed something about the filmmaker that I really The first movie is like the first act and even the second act, it's like you watch those you're like, oh, yeah, I want to see what else he does, Like I would sit down and would really curious to talk to him about some of its influences.

And then you watch the third act and you're like, I'm not good. It's okay if I'm not gonna go to his Q and A, like I don't need to be in a room full of people that are cheering for that character or for that creation or anything like that. Like it's just one of those moments when you're in a conversation about movies and it goes quickly into like, well I love that one. You're like, okay, I'm just gonna go now, because suddenly you realize, like, oh, this unlocked something really unpleasant for I think you and me. Yeah, and if it didn't unlock that for you, that concerns me.

I guess is what it comes down to. It's yeah, I don't. I don't get it. I really don't. Because people whose opinions that I typically really respect in a line with have like stars in their eyes for it.

And sometimes it's the hype machine, truly, and I'm not gonna begrudge anybody that. Sometimes it's like, oh, the people are super jazzed about this, oh, and I'm super jazzed about it now too. And there is stuff to like in this movie, certainly for real. We've we've talked about multiple elements of it. But to me, it's not enough to justify Yeah, like, I can't, I can't forget.

Sometimes a movie will have such a good ending that I'll be like, you know what, let me just forgive a lot of stuff. But this did the opposite. This had such this took such a turn that I'm like, I'm done with all of this now, Oh that's such a bummer. I'm trying to go look and see what I actually rated it. I gave it a three, which is but because I'm not going to deny that it did telling sure it's well made.

Yeah, and also that might be a little bit of peer pressure, honestly, I get it again, Yeah no I don't. Yeah, I'm with you, and I'm very curious if if other um people, where you stand on this movie and if you again, like I Act one, Act two four star is for me. Act three took the entire thing down to probably a two for me out of five. Yeah, yeah, but two with a distaste, with a strong distaste for like one of those conversations where you know when people are gonna talk about it, are like I am just gonna go to the bathroom now because I don't want to start talking about what I didn't like about this movie, and ended up in one of those conversations. Yeah yeah, yeah.

All right. So that was our big old batch of what we watched. Yes, yes, um, So on our next episode, we are We've talked about doing different things and kind of different focuses, so we said we're gonna do an actor focus. We're gonna take an actor that we both really liked. We're gonna talk about them and talk about some of their movies and stuff.

And we're still figuring out what that means. But Christine, tell the fine people, what actor you choose? H Sigourney Weaver? Yeah, which I thought was really It gave us a lot of decades and a lot of time and a lot of maybe stuff that's near and dear to us, but also all the stuff a varied career Sigourney Weaver has had very much. And so the first thing I did was I put Working Girl my Netflix que because I have never seen Working Girl and so good.

Yeah, it's so some of the things. Um, I'm like, what other iconic Sigourney Weaver performances have I not seen? So I need to figure that out. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna really do a hard focus. Yeah, but I'll make a poll or something out there to ask because I don't know what are some other Sigourney Weaver role Obviously we have both seen many of them, Um, but what are some other movies out there are roles that everybody should watch her in?

Um? What is the definitive Sigourney Weaver performance? I don't know these questions and more we will ponder on our next episode. Yeah, you should tell us so that please. Yeah, I give us some direction, would watch it?

I can't talk. Yeah, well you just did for two hours, so that might be why. Ah all right, well with that, folks, um find us wherever stuff happens. We're on Instagram at Feminine Underscore Critique, We're Twitter at Feminine Underscore Podcast, and we're on Facebook at the Feminine Critique. And Christine has books, so find those at Christine Make me Stum.

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