161. Our Scariest Movies!

We are medium. Boo oh, I'm so scared. See, yeah, that's what we're talking about today. Hey, hi, everybody, welcome to the Feminine Critique. Gu I'm Emily.

I'm the terrified Christine. Ooh yeah you're I was gonna say we should have had like spooky nicknames, but I can never remember to do that in time. Oh yeah, I wouldn't have been able to come up with anything any well. I always like your old your your good old fashioned Christine, like the Car movie. That's that is true, the most famous of us all indeed.

Uh So we are a film podcast and we talk about movies. Uh yeah, I don't know about you, but I mean, like, I think we both kind of have one favorite genre if we had to pick one, Yeah, I would say so period dramas. Uh, college based comedies would be mine. Yep, of course we kid you. We are talking about horror, although maybe not we're talking about scary movies, which which there's I'm not going to get into the annoying complexities of when people decide to call scary movies thrillers or Elvie horror all that other stupid terminology.

Point is movies that scarre us. Yes, yeah. Yeah, So I this turned into a big thought exercise for me because I agree with you, it's not necessarily We're not necessarily picking air quotes scary movie. We did not say the our five favorite horror movies. We said for us, what are our scariest movies?

Scariest movies? And I think that that for me is a little unquantifiable, sure, because like the horror films elicit a lot of feelings, and for me, fright isn't usually why I'm there. I'm not there to be to be made afraid. I'm there for other reasons, and that is just you know, a result of the genre sometimes. So I really had to distinguish what I found scary versus what I just found upset, and I think for me that was a tough web to untangle.

Yeah, I love it because this came up a few weeks ago when we were talking about movies and I remember making the comment of like being disappointed that I wasn't scared, and you kind of said, you're like, oh, you like to be scared, Like, of course I do. That's why I'm a horror fan. But it's so interesting to me that and the same like I for me, it is different because if I hear, oh, this is a scary movie, I want to sit down with the lights off and jump. I want to feel it in my throat. I want to have a nightmare about that movie later that night.

But if that's not going to happen, I am still going to enjoy get so much else out of a horror movie that I won't get out of a comedy that didn't make me laugh, or a drama that didn't make me feel things. So it's it is weird because I mean, as we kind of said last time, my favorite movie of all time is Dawn of the Dead, which is not going to be one of my scariest movies all time because I don't find it scary. I just find it to be a movie that is a warm blanket for me. Yeah, it's it's it's interesting, how and I think maybe that's why it is my favorite genre, because it is like a fantasy or a sci fi. When you have that speculative element, it's it's about so much more, and not like that it can be about so much more, because anything can be about so much more, but within these speculative genres, it's kind of like almost a guarantee that it's going to be it's gonna be about class, or it's going to be about race, or it's gonna be about sexism, or it's gonna be about something else in addition to like a scary monster, which is why I'm there.

Yeah, and because I'm looking at my list and there are things about it that are just oh boo scary. This may be jump yeah, sure that's there, but it's not there in every movie. And within all of those movies, there is something fundamental about every one of these five that either deeply personal thing that affects me more broad fear in general that I think this particular movie tapsingt you really well, um it really this was such a fun exercise, And I know for me, I was curious how you like put your list together, because after we've finished kind of recording your last episode and said this is what we're gonna do, I immediately like made a quick list of the ones that popped into my head too. All of those are the ones that I ended up going with me too.

Yeah. Yeah, my top my top five except for one, were the ones I thought of the second. I have them scrawled on a separate little piece of paper. I banged out the top four immediately, and then I was like, okay, I have to actually sit and think about this. But nothing else I thought of was able to like unthrown those those top four And I think that that was that's to me part of it.

What immediately when you said what scared you, Christine? What immediately popped into my head? And were those images? Is? What?

Were those sounds? Those things that you just even there are movies on this list that I watch a lot, there are movies I have not watched in years, and it just didn't matter because these are the ones that jumped into my head because they're the ones that scare me. M Like, I want to drop hints, but I don't. I want to like talk about the decades I have and not, but I feel like we should. Yes we can.

We can just jump in. Do you want to just alternate on the top five? Yeah, let's do it. And I'm not going to go in any order because I didn't either. Yeah I don't.

I can't tell you what my scariest one is. I don't know. Any one of these five gave me nightmares and made me feel things, So yeah, I mine or not? In order as well. Also, I was just recently guested on a lovely podcast called Scarred for Life, and um, one of the what they talk about is the first thing that terrified you as like a child, and there's like a there was like a no movie repeat, So there was actually like my first two thoughts had already been covered.

So I decided to go a different way, and I talked about the Punky Brewster episode. The Scary Punky Brewster episode, which I will not talk about here because we're not talking about TV. But if you want to hear me talk about the first thing that actually gave me nightmares, he can be fascinating. Yes, oh my god, and I do what I don't? I know Punky Brewster I watched a lot when I was a kid, but I never went back to it my I think of the refrigerator episode is a very important episode just because of my own industry.

What is the Scary Punky Brewster episode. There is a two parter I believe it's called Perils of Punky where they go on a camping trip and there is this kind of racist indigenous cave with some monsters and some spooky stories, but basically it's all about Punky's abandonment issues. So as she goes deeper into the cave, all of her friends disappear or turn into monsters, and her surrogate dad says he doesn't want her anymore. Like so, like it, but like so it was. It's very scary for a little kid, because I was little when that show on.

It was a lot And apparently there's a whole there's a whole grouping of people like that who were terrified by it. But it was the first thing that I talk about it on the podcast. But there's a scene where Cherry, if you remember Terry from Puncky Brewster, she it's like a dummy head and like it with a very long neck that kind of comes out of the wall. And I used to have nightmares about that, Like I would be laying in bed thinking I was awake, that I'd be dreaming, and then that head would come out of the wall at me, but I wouldn't know that I was sleep as scary that I Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty proud of my five list, but I don't think any thing on there tops that. So that was the truly the first thing.

Yeah, And that's the tough thing about doing this list, I actually like don't like to be scared. I learned very early, like in the in the in the mid eighties, that I didn't like to be scared, and I never sought it out. So that's kind of what makes this difficult. Yeah, so with that, do you okay? You want to start?

Um? Sure? The first one I'll talk about is super obvious, and I've talked about it at length. Um, it's palter Gist. I knew it.

I knew it. Yeah, it is not online. I figured Paltergeist. So this is this, This is a trend. I saw it when I was too young and probably um and a lot of it is scary, like the obviously the clown is scary and scared a lot of people.

I think just Carol Anne getting sucked into a closet is scary. But again, talked about this at length. Face ripping off is is something that um disturbed me on such a visceral level that I almost threw up when I saw it. How old do you remember how old you were when you first watched it? Um?

So, paulter Geist came out in eighty two. I saw on cable. I was eating a burrito, my dad was still around, so I don't know, eighty eight maybe yeah, nine, because that's the thing, and I mean most people, most film people know this, but if you if you're younger and don't, Poultergeist is one of the reasons we have a PG thirteen rating because Poultergeist came out when you had PG an R an X, and by all accounts, there was no you know, not much nudity, not much cursing. There's terror, but it's not gore. And so paulter Geist came out as a you know, made by the guy who made Tips of Chance of Asker or or also made by the guy who made at that year.

So it was a hugely popular or commercial movie that families would go to thinking this is fine, and you would rent it. I remember even in college, a friend was having a sleepover that she was like hosting for like a mentorship program she was doing so as a bunch of little kids. She's like, yeah, I rented Poltergeist. So I'm like, oh, no, no, you should not do that. She's like, no, it's that's it's raided PG.

I'm like, okay, let me give you a film history lesson. But that's the thing about that movie was that it was never It is a horror movie. You cannot not call it that, but I bet to like the public perception, it doesn't feel like one because it is Spielbergian in so many ways, but it is um It is terrifying on so many different levels, because if you are a parent, it's about your child being taken from you. If you are a kid, it's about being abandoned. It's also about the things you love and the toys in your room and innocent objects trying to kill you.

Yeah, it taps into a lot of of really terrifying stuff that that I talk about this with Mike Flanagan a lot. I feel like Mike Flanagan is able to to be embody a kid, embody what what scares a child? How a child sees these these fearful, terrifying things, and polter Geist is also able to do that, And so to see to be appealed to with like like adult level horror as a child is scary because I'm like, no, it's too effective. It makes such a difference when a movie understands a child's point of view and understands a child in danger and what that means. Because I know I've mentioned before how for me, like Friday the Thirteenth, Part six, which I think is actually one of the best friend and thirteenth is what killed Jason to me as being something scary, same thing Freddy Krueger wasn't scary to me.

Why because both of them were presented as they only kill teenagers. Yeah, and when you watch them as a kid, you're like, okay, so I'm safe. So then something like Poltergeist, which is the whole idea, is no, no, no, this evil is seeking out children. And like for me as a like a little being a little girl, obviously you're a little girl too. Any time there was that avatar in a movie, that just would make it much more terrifying.

And so many of my the movies that did scare me as a kid, and for Poltergeist three for me was one of those because it's very much Carol Anne is the main focal point of that movie, even more so than Poltergeist, and it just was so upsetting because oh, no, kids are supposed to be safe in movies. No, not in this one. Oh yeah, So that's my my my first okay, um, all right, there's a lot of different ways I can go from there. Um, but I guess we're talking about kids, talking about kids in peril, U talking about that those first movies that really really terrified. I can't not say Child's Play.

I knew it. I think I know another one too. I'm you know, if it was one of those, I'm like, you know the thing about Child's Play, which looking I will, I will say on my list, Child's Play is probably two other horror fans. To a lot of other horror fans out there, if they looked at my list as like, oh, that's that's that's that's the throwaway, that's the one that wouldn't make necessarily the hundred scariest movies list. That's fine if people feel that way, because if you watch Child's Play today, if you watch it as a grown up, it is a little dated.

It. You know, it does certain things that probably feel silly today. But if you were six year old Emily in nineteen eighty eight and you liked scary movies, but you also were afraid of dolls, and you were afraid of dolls because your brother poked the eyeball out of a doll you had, and then your sister would chase around the house with it when your mother wasn't home, so you just didn't like You'd like stuffed animals, but you didn't like dolls. And it was your brother's birthday, and he said, for his birthday, he wanted to go see that new doll movie. And you said, but I don't want to.

I'm only six. And and you know, your mother said, well, we're we're all going to the movies, and we're not getting a babysitter just for you, youngest child. So I saw a child's play at the age of six in a movie theater. I had nightmares for weeks. And here's the thing about your white child's play is so scary because it is about a six year old boy who has a who gets a doll, and that dollas's friend.

That doll is supposed to be something that he can trust. It's supposed to be that like one thing in the world that is on his side. It is all of the comfort in the world in this thing that he can carry around. And I had stuffed animals like that that I would tell my secrets too. And I didn't write in a diary because I had brothers and I figured they would read it, so instead I would just whisper in My Pound Puppies ear.

And the idea of Child's play is fundamentally it is about that thing that is innocent and that you love and that is supposed to be there for you, turning against you and instead trying to steal your soul or your body rather because it's never really clear. Eventually in the series it is clear that when Chucky goes into if he were ever to go into Andy, what happens is Andy's soul goes into this doll and is stuck there, or it goes into hell. It's again, it depends on which which part of the series we're watching. But the point is it is not just that this dollar is trying to kill him, which is pretty terrifying to a kid. It is it is also that this doll is trying to take like himself from him, his life from him.

Um. And there are image there's imagery in that movie that's still that I see, and I still like kind of like get the chills when when the psychiatrist is killed. Right, So there's a psychiatrist. It's kind of a villainous character just and he's not like again, as an adult you watch it, you're like no, if I was that guy, I would think this kid is crazy. But in the movie he's kind of seen as like a barrier, so he's sort of a villain, but as so as a kid, like I don't want him to you know, I want him out of the way.

But Chucky puts a what would you even call that, like a headpiece for electroshock therapy and turns it all the way up, and the way the movie does it is that he gets electrocuted, but his face just basically turns black and crispy and there's smoke coming out of his ears, and like that image is really upsetting for a six year old, and you would think, like, Okay, I got over it, because and I did. After Essentially, I would go to sleep at night and I would have nightmares, and I would wake up and my parents would have to come in. Eventually, like my family rotated reading me bedtime stories to kind of like calm me down. And I got over it. By the next year, at Christmas time, what was one of the presents I opened but a VHS of Child's Play.

Because by that point I was like I had gone from being terrified of something to loving it and kind of being obsessed with it. Over the years, I would occasionally, if it had been a couple of years since I'd watch Child's Play, I would rewatch it, and it was fascinating how every time I did, I would immediately have like a nightmare or two afterwards. And even today I still do when Chucky has become this wonderful property, less scary and more used for all these other things. But even today, if I sit down and watch Child's Play, I will probably have a nightmare where check he's trying to get me. Even and even in the dream, I might be a grown up, it doesn't matter.

It's just still this thing that has always stayed with me of just being so powerless because the thing that you gave all of your trust to you turned on you. Uh yeah, I think what's interesting to me about so? I don't remember when I saw Child's Play. I was probably lightly early, like like that kind of young, but not like six, not that level of young. I was like youngish, though, And I think maybe, I think maybe this is a case where I saw the second one first, and and it I definitely that it felt disturbed by it, but didn't like latch onto it in any way.

And I think it's so interesting what we what we do, what does stick with us? Yeah, in these like meaningful formative ways. Um, it's interesting how many other six years how many other six year olds saw child's play and never thought about it again? Yeah, and or like was that fell asleep or were was playing playing with like a like an action figure and then or found it funny like or last at it and instead like I would. I mean the way every kid kind of makes up like rules in their mind of like when a monster can get you, like the whole Oh if you know the monsters under your bed, so if you don't wear socks, it can get you, like all those different things that kids do.

And for me, because my brothers like had a poster of Chucky in their rooms, and what I had found was like when I was in our basement in our house. Um, that's where I started to like make rules about Chucky can get me only if I am on the floor, not on the rug. But then Chucky and Dolly Dearest can get me if I am on the stairs. I have to run the series really quickly, like all those different rules I made my head and like and again I was obsessed with these movies after that year, like, because then you did get ripops, who had you would Dolly Duris, you had other toys. I would get that I would look at and be like, oh my god, this looks like Chucky And every one of them sort of went into this mental hellish bank of rascals in my head that were after me.

But I also loved it, like it was fascinating to me to have something that could get me, that wanted to hunt me. I guess that's that's very interesting. You and I approach being afraid differently with you definitely, Yeah. I don't know that any you know, I think everybody approaches it pretty differently. I'd say that that is true.

There is I sometimes this is a little tan gentle, but I'm just gonna say it because I think it frames how I think a little bit. But um, I haunted houses or something I've never been able to understand, and I've often said that haunted houses are privileged people makes sense. The fact that you you were in a position like mentally, physically, like autosynomically or whatever, that you can have someone jump out at you and it makes you not want to die is like great, I'm so happy for everybody that can do that, But like I am, I have such a heightened fight or flight, like the idea of being of willingly placing myself in a position where someone can scare, like it will shut down my nervous system. It's just like I the idea of loving being afraid is so foreign to me.

I hate it. It's like you don't buy yourself creepy clown dolls to sit on your shelf to look at you with you thinking it could kill me. It could wake up at night and kill me. Like you don't enjoy that kind of thing, but see I do because I don't. I'm not actually afraid of that.

So I I don't know what mine is. Mine's probably much more existential. Yeah kind of um, okay can I This kind of goes into my next one, let's hear it. Okay, So my next one is actually Nightmare on Elm Street. Whoa, but not really, because I think Nightmare on Elm Street is phenomenal, and I let first one is just a great movie.

I know that Freddie goes wild directions and changes for people, but that first one he is menacing, he is scary, he is shadowy, and I walked downstairs and saw my parents watching this again. I don't know how. I had to be very young, very very young to still be sneaking downstairs. And I snuck down sneakily enough that I kind of was able to sit behind the couch so they couldn't see me, but I could see the TV. And I don't know how much of it I watched, but I remember going back upstairs, turning on all my bedroom lights, wrapping a blanket around me, and sitting in the middle of my bed terrified.

And I knew I was gonna get in trouble, but I had to tell my mom because I was so scared, I could not get to sleep. I did not sleep that night, well, obviously for reasonable reasons. It seemed that seemed so feasible to me. It seemed so believable that falling asleep could be dangerous, which is a wild thing for a kid to be, Like, Yeah, I buy into this presle, and once that's unlocked, then you're like what what? What?

How? How can I sleep? But I have to sleep, but how can I sleep? Yeah? And then, similarly to your chucky thing, I developed this unhinged fear that Freddie was in the toilet.

Oh yeah, it's okay. I don't know if you had this case. I as a kid was was a big video store kid, walk around look at the covers, and the Goolies cover always terrified me, even though it's a terrible movie, but the Goolies cover was a toilet with a little Goolie coming out, and it was so horrifying to think that something could get me on the toilet. And I wonder if you too, it probably something like that, because I had no reason to feel that way. Um, but it was just that, like I feel like he and it could just be because of dreams.

He will get you when you are at your most vulnerable on the toilet. Yeah. Yeah, And that was something that had I. It residually hung out in my head. I never was afraid of Freddie.

It was the feeling that Friday the Third, not Friday Night, gave me that I was afraid of and I couldn't. I didn't shake that until probably into my early teen years. I would occasionally just need to run upstairs or like flick on a light really fast, or like get this like intense feeling that that oh no, you need to jump into bed because there is suddenly something under your bed and this is like twelve years old, not young, and it was and it wasn't Freddie. It was just that feeling that manifested as something that I felt the first time I saw nightmaron Old Street by accident. Wo oh oh yeah, yeah, I don't think I knew that about you.

No. I don't talk about that one that much because it's not like I can look back. Paulterguy scared me and continue to scare me, but Freddie didn't. It was just that experience. And then I didn't watch those Elm Street movies again until much later.

I think I saw a new Nightmare on television shortly after it released, and that's my Elm Street movie. That's the movie I saw a lot growing up, so it faded and changed, and then by the time I saw the first one again, I was closer to like adult, probably early twenties, and that was all gone by then, Like I didn't feel that one anymore. But um, yeah, I mean there are things about that movie because I it wasn't for me kind of a hallmark it was. I'd say I probably saw one really close to seeing three and four, like they all kind of in my mind at the time went together, and obviously three and four so totally different that if you first saw three and to go back to one, it is not. It's just not nearly as scary because it's already kind of gone a different path and then circled back.

But there are things about that movie that I think. It's it's the little girls singing, which is one of those things that will get me no matter what, if you have children singing in a movie, I am terrified. It's the dreaminess, it's the like I'm as I'm talking about it, I'm hearing the theme right that very like do do do like just that. Yeah, and that just kind of tone of that movie. I could see where it would imprint on you at a certain point and would feel absolutely terrifying.

Yeah, and again fundamentally you can't escape it. You are going to fall asleep. You have too. So I think a theme will be it's existential fears that really have always got your Yeah. Boy, Okay, I'm waiting where I go next.

Okay, so let me know what. Okay, this one also, I'm gonna go with with this one because it's a movie that um I did watch at a young age and the first time I watched it. It was one of those movies I watched as a kid and it terrified me, and then kind of forgot about it for years. And then eventually this movie itself kind of had a renaissance, which I'm very happy form. And when I went back to it and watched it, I'm like, oh my god, there's so much else in this movie that is terrifying.

But the things that scared me as a kid were things that are so specific to different aspects of it. So I am talking about nineteen nineties The Exorcist three. Oh wow, Well, I'm always down to talk about the three. But I'm so surprised. Yeah, so I remember.

And so here's the thing. Let me frame this a bit, because as a kid, I was constantly looking for scary movies, as we said, And I remember being probably about nine and watching The Exorcist and being really excited because everybody in the world said, this is the scariest movie of all time. Right, every grown up I knew would talk about how when they saw in the theater and they were so scared they need sleep for weeks. Okay, finally I'm ready for this movie. And I watched it and I was like, it's fine.

I really I was not impressed by The Exorcist. Now, my theory is simply that I was the wrong age. I was both too young and too old because I was too seasoned by that point for some of the cosmetic scares to work on me at that age, and I'd seem worse than seeing Breagan's head's been around. I'd seem much worse in every zombie movie I'd rented from the video store. But also I was at an age where I kind of didn't fully get what it all meant, what the idea of you being possessed, or of having somebody love possessed, or this sort of religious aspect to it.

So it's about a year or two later, I think I'm about ten years old when The Exorcist three. I don't even know why, Like I don't remember renting it, but somehow it was late at night and I was watching it. I think I was alone watching it and for whatever reason, and I have a feeling I could inflate this a little bit with the First Power, which was a movie I was like obsessed with as a kid, and I think it must have been something where like I knew it was kind of like that. So I'm like, yeah, right, I'll watch this. And the thing about the kind of again I keeps saying using the word cosmetic, but like I mean, like the looks there's certain images of Exorcist three that as a kid now at the age of ten, who had was not like I'm not going to say I was Catholic.

I was sort of raised Catholic. I wasn't going to Catholic school, but we would do what they call religion class, where like once a week you go to like a parents' house and you do a Bible story and so on. So by the age of like ten is right where like you start being really terrified of everything the Catholic priests are telling you, just because suddenly now you've gotten to the grizzly part of Jesus dying, and now you start to think about hell and what it's going to be like, and how all these things that you start doing are good. It might take you down there. And in the meantime, if you've ever gone into a Catholic church, you have like Jesus right in the middle over the priest, and it can be really gruesome.

A lot of times it's like Jesus bleeding down and you know, you see his ribs and you see all the holes on him, and like its and it's a site that like I would see several times a year when I'd have to go to church, and religious imagery started to freak me out around that age, and Exorcist three has so much of that. It has a lot of just there there's a statue and suddenly you got back to the statue and it has a weird face, and then you go away and you never think about it again. And as a kid, I remember when the movie ended, going to bed and turning off the light and starting to go to bed, and then immediately turning the light on, where I'm like, I don't want the lights out right now. I'm going to wait until there was a to do it where like you could walk swing over to the staircase and reach your arm and keep the one light on and turn the other light on and then turn that light off.

And that's what I did that night. And I didn't think about the movie again for years because nobody ever talked about it. It wasn't you know, it was the Exorcist Part three, not a movie that was regularly airing on HBO, not something kids in the playground we're talking about. And it was probably like when I was in my late twenties one day that I think I got it from Netflix. So I was like, oh, yeah, I think I remember liking this as a kid, and why I sat down and watched it and it all came back to me.

But also watching it and saying, this movie is terrifying. It. Yes, it has the big jump scare of the nurse scene. Everybody knows it. It is to me, the best jump scare of all time, quite possible.

Even that aside, you can take that scene out, and I still find this movie terrifying because something it does today that I can look at it and say, why does it scare me? It's because it is fear through language and words, and you see some things, but for the most part, you just hear about it. You hear George C. Scott reading William Peter Bladdie's dialogue and describing a murder scene and what he saw, and it is all words in your head and you have drawn up that picture and it is just the most horrifying site you can imagine. And you don't need to see it because it's that good that it does that for you.

And I mean it's it's a fascinating movie because it's how to Journey. There are different cuts of it. You can watch one with a completely different ending than the one that I initially came out. Every cut of it is works for me because there's different the things about it that get under my skin. It's not just the jump scares.

It's not just that it's a well made horror movie. It's a movie that just kind of understands certain things that are wrong in the world, and it finds ways to sort of like push that inside of you in a way that I just find really upsetting. I can agree with you, um on that I didn't see it until I was very old. Um. Unfortunately, it took me a very long time to watch it.

It wasn't it wasn't one that got tossed around. It really wasn't that. That's that's true. It was kind of one of those like cool cool people movies that I didn't really know was actually good for a while. Um.

But similar to you, I had seen so many clips of The Exorcist, like the Original Exorcist, that like, by the time I saw the full movie I was like, all right, right this man, our parents generation were whimps. Now see that movie is a movie my mom still can't watch. She gets real freaked out by it. But I also understand that she and I are very saw it at very different times in our lives when films were different, and she didn't expect to see what she saw when she saw The Exorcist, I'm watching a hundred scariest movie moments or whatever or whatever. The very young equivalent was that I saw Reagan's head turn around, I saw Pazuzu, I saw everything a million years before I saw the whole movie.

But yeah, when I saw Exorcist three, it's the existential shit For me, man, that movie is terrifying because of the implications of it. And so if this isn't on any of my lists, but I will say I feel personally like William Peter Bladdie is is. I love him and deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply. The ninth configuration for me is a movie that I feel like, kind of like what you said, shows me, shows me things that I don't want, I'm not ready for. I don't want to acknowledge or real I don't want to know that this, this way of thinking, this way of being exists.

It's like we all have these these like thoughts in our head and like deep down fears that we never think about that are just like pushed to the side of our head. And I think both of those movies it's him, Like it's like he has taken tongs and reached down and just plucked it right out and put it right in the front and said, oh no, but there is nothing. Oh no, but you might go to space and never come back. It's like all those little things of just right that there is nothing. Oh, you've given your your life to the church.

Well it doesn't mean anything. Oh he's you're a perfect choir boy. Okay, I'm going to decapitate you and take out your innards and do this and that and that, and make sure that your mother sees it. Like it's just all of these it's the specificness, I think, And that's something that I love about the dialogue of both of those movies, because it is him directing and writing movies out of his books, and that often does not go well. But every now and then the language is strong enough and specific enough, and when it is put in the mouths of really good actors.

Yes, it comes out in such a way where you could just both of those movies could have just been GEORGEI Scott or Oliver REI just staring at you and reading, just reading the script, and I still would have been that terrified m It's a it's a good one. I it's one that I don't like to watch a lot because it's not when you can lightly throw on. Yeah, it's not necessarily a pleasant watch. No, So yeah, I don't watch it as much as I I don't think I watch it as much as it deserves because I think it's phenomenal, but like, I don't know if I want to do that. It's a lot.

It's one of my five scariest movies of all times. Oh yeah, good choke, thank you, thank you? All right? Number three. Um so now we're getting into Christine needs to really explain these things.

So it's Labyrinth. Yay, not on mine because I never found it scary, but is on my list of all time favorite films. But so I I don't think it's scary now obviously I'm you know, I guess maybe Labyrinth is made more my child's play. I guess so my mom taped Labyrinth off TV for me and then was like, I remember it very vividly. Um.

I liked the Muppets a lot. I liked Sesame Street a lot. The Muppet movies were something that I just watched on repeat up until that point. So she taped it off television and she presented it to me. It was very much like, oh I, here's this new Muppet thing for you to watch.

And Labyrinth pretty quickly opens with the Wall of Goblins. Yeah. I lost my mind the first time I saw that. She had to shut it off. Oh um.

And then we got I don't know how. I don't know if she prodded or if I asked, but we got back to trying to watch it, and I remember and she said they'll go away fast. It won't be this way. I remember her telling me it's not it's not scary, it's not gonna be this way, and I was like, okay, okay. But so we watched it and I got through it, and it became one of my favorite movies of all time.

When I can quote huge swats of dialogue of I've seen it hundreds of times, probably um the hands when when she's falling the big thing hands, the thing exactly that the hands man, the how untrustworthy it is, yea, even even Hoggleg when he's killing the fairies. Yeah, and in the fairies bite. I think it's just all this. It presented me so much, but then a lot of contradiction, like the fairies actually bite and hoggles actually helpful, and the hands say they're helping but they're not, but maybe they were, because does she want to go back up? Like?

It was a lot? And I think the first time I was presented with that, it was overwhelming, and it was to me those goblins that up those that up close of just that wall of goblin facestic eyeballs. I know it's goofy. Did she say it like what I get? And I talk, but like my little brain was like, this is horrified.

I get it. My brother tried to show it to his daughters when they were really little, and like the same thing. They couldn't get ten minutes into it. It was a lot. And then the rock very quick quickly, the boulder comes by, I think, or whatever is in that hallway, No, no, the spinney, it's the cleaner's yeah, comes by.

I don't know. It was just the level of Peril was so intense and I didn't expect it, and I think once I saw it go through once and knew, like, hey, everybody's gonna get okay. Like I was able to truly embrace how much I liked it. But like how you kind of said, I was really scared of like child's playing Chucky because I was andy the way you were Sarah. Yeah, but into that, I was scared of the goblins and I didn't like the peril, and I but like Sarah was there and she could do it and she was strong, and I don't know.

So it turned from something that I vividly remember asking to get turned off to something that I watched almost every day one summer, I watched it every day. Um, My friends still to this day are like, oh, or you can do you still bring Laboran's to sleep over parties because I would take it everywhere. Now, when I'm curious, at what point did you watch Dark Crystal, I'm I can't imagine you saw before them. Um, I think I saw it right after Yeah, because Dark Crystal is scary, like it's a similar look, but there are everything's a little bit less cute even and I I was just bored. Really.

But as a kid, yeah, I didn't. I didn't get scary. There's no musical numbers. Yeah, and as an adult that one is still scary. It's there.

It's upsetting, like there there is death, there is um to suck, sucking the little podlings like withering up, like horrifying. I watched that probably mid twenties, like, oh, my first time as an adult watching this, because I very much latched onto it as like an early teen. I liked it a lot um but then I went went watching it like with adult eyes. I was like, this is this is absolutely terrifying. Yeah, but but good and and it's just I guess I think a lot of it for me had to do with visuals, Like there's so many like visuals and in Um Dark Crystal that are like not scary to me, that comes way before anything scary.

But then for for me, I felt like Labyrinth lead with very scary visuals, and because like you know, the gelflings are que and nice and the mystics are helpful and there's so much of that at the right it's yeah there, and there's a lot of dialogue too, there's a rearation thought. It was kind of boring problem. I can say that, whereas in Labyrinth, like here's a girl, here's her life, everything's normal. Oh, here are these horrific goblins who are gonna get napper and baby. Yeah, there's that human touch point I think made it too too uh yeah that you know, that's a good point because I think that was one of the things that they like learned about Dark Crystal that they when they when they did Labyrinth a few years after Dark Crystal.

Part of it was them realizing like, oh, Dark Crystal is too dark, but also it was the lack of oh wait, we need human beings in this story. I think that was one of the theories of why Dark Crystal flopped, was that kids didn't connect to it because they didn't directly connect to anything. They didn't have that kind of touchstone. And that's why we're with Labyrinth. They tried very from the beginning of oh no, no, we need to see a person interacting with these creatures.

And I mean Labyrinth is actually bombed as well. It is obviously a classic today, but it did not do well when it came out, except for slumber parties on Long Island. Yeah. Well, I mean everything has its place right, definitely, definitely. Okay, So all right, I am going to switch gears to a movie I probably watched around the same age you watched Labyrinth, but in rare cases would ever be put on the same like double bill with it unless you were you or me, probably, And this is one that I don't know if it's going to come up on yours.

So I'm a kid, and I love horror movies and I'm renting every movie trying to find the scary ones. And the Exorcist was a bomb, but I don't know. Everybody says the Texas chansam Assacar is is really good. So when I rented Texas chansam Assacar as a kid and turned it on and on a Saturday afternoon when it was sunny outside, and sat down to watch this movie, and it starts, and I know what I'm getting. I've seen movies like this before.

I've seen movies about pretty dunk young teenagers going somewhere and getting killed. But it you know, it's it's daytime and these this couple are are hanging out at a house and the guy goes in the house and you know nothing's gonna happen yet because it's still light out. And then Leatherface comes out and beats him with the hammer and his body shakes, and then he yanks him away and closes the door, and ten year old eleven year old me sitting there pauses the movie and sits back and says, what the fuck is going on? It's not supposed to happen that way. Um I didn't see.

I didn't. So I am a child of the scariest movie moments. Um so I saw. You know, I know that leather Face opened in the door. You know, there's no soundtrack telling me when somebody is going to jump out and when somebody is not.

So, yeah, I didn't. I didn't actually watch it all the way through until um I was probably like twenty three, twenty four. Um So I didn't. I had a different experience with it. But because I was so much older and and kind of knew the beats and knew what people thought and and like I had a sense of it in the universe, I didn't.

I didn't. It didn't scare me. Obviously, it did. It scared me in the way that it I think it was meant to scare an adult person, but it didn't. It didn't give me these like lingering, terrible feelings.

It very easily could have if I had seen it under different circumstances. So I completely understand this pick fully, like from top to bottom. To me, it is when it's probably like the the most not obvious, but like if of my list, not all of them would land in a top ten, top fifty, top hundred. Of the generalists, I think Texas Change of Asker to Me remains the scariest movie of like the best horror movie. I think the sense of the absolute horror.

Once it's there, it doesn't go away, and it is just misery that it is again sure, middle of nowhere farmhouse, all this stuff, but it's more just the fact that it just seems to not end that And I remember, like when I watched it the first time, thinking like that first you know, forty five minutes is for me and still is to me the scariest part of it. And then there's a certain point after Franklin dies, which again is just one of those like they don't they can't do that, they can't kill the guy in a wheelchair. But then that you have this what feels like the climax, and then twenty minutes of a chase scene, which as a kid, at a certain point, I was almost like disappointed in I'm like, this is this is all we're getting, Like this is it?

And now it's over and she got away, And as a kid, I don't think I realized, yes, she got away. She didn't get away. Yeah, you know, you watch it a few years later and you realize, oh, good, she's alive. This woman is never going to be the same. Everything she has gone through in this one half a day is never leaving her.

That she is always going to be screaming in the sun as this happens. And I think too, I still when I think of the various implements that could kill me. Of of all of them, the top two that I don't want to be killed by are a hammer that is not going to kill me right away and my body's going to twitch, or a chainsaw, because my god, it must be really painful to get cut up with a chainsaw, I would believe so. Yeah, And we don't see it in the movie. We never really see a chainsaw going through somebody's body.

We don't see the blood's flattering, but we see what a chainsaw is and we see how this creature can wield it, and we see that it is going into people in front of us, and it just seems like such a like we all go through different phases I think in life as far as fearing death, Like at any point we're all kind of death. But every now and then I just think to myself, like I've started lately having nightmares about painful death, like of like knowing me gonna die, and it's a matter of like, well, it's going to be this way or this way. It's like, Okay, I'll just jump off the cliff. Oh no, if you jump off, you're actually gonna end up in a vat of piranhas who we're gonna slowly eat you from inside out.

Like there's something about that aspect of just dying in a really painful way that I think this movie also that when the first character to get caught by leather Face, right when he grabs the woman and he hangs around the meat hook and then she's in the freezer, and it's like it's not just a simple you know, machete to the head and you're gone. It's and it's it's not quite the same as Freddy toying with somebody and torturing them for hours. But it is this like just physically painful thing that is happening to you, or you are trapped, you are there's no way out, and it's just not it's it's quick that the actions are quick, but the process is long because you're not just killed. You are bled, or you are trapped, or you are hitting ahead but not dead yet.

Um. And just that kind of visceral fit the way that movie physically gets me, like and also like the art direction and the design and the fact that like you can smell that hou that doesn't come anything. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's one of those where I think, like, man, the human body is not meant to do certain things like go camping, uh where you don't know who's there, you know. No, it's a it's a very visceral movie. And it's it's a oh the second Toby Hooper we've talked about it is it is a feat of filmmaking and and like if anybody has anything tied up in that movie, I fucking get it, yea, because it is to me one of the best, if not the best horror movie ever made.

I'm with you all right, number four, what have you got, um? Firewalk with Me? It's oh ah, so now we're into things that scare scared me or have scared me as an adult. Um the first three. Really, I don't get scared by these movies.

Now, I don't find them scary. I Firewalk with Me, Um, I've seen a bunch of times. Now I really do love it. It is very challenging and it's not a specific scene and Firewalk with Me it's I think the whole story. There are and there are standout parts, but for me, it's not even necessarily the fear, but like the dread and the tension that that that man, there's so much tension and so much build up and just so much heaviness hanging because you know the end to a degree, Laura is going to die.

It is it is the lead up, so that just adds to everything and I I, you know there, for me, there is a fine line between am I afraid or am I disturbed? Am I afraid? Or am I full of dread? And I do, for some reason feel a need to rip that apart in my brain. This is me.

I don't know. I don't know, but like Firewalk with me does everything. I'm disturbed, I'm of dread, I'm angsty, I'm angry, I'm upset, and I'm terrified. And it's it's from the beginning. I know a lot of people when that movie came out had a problem with the fact that we started on two investigators that we've never met before.

Um but even when they're investigating, and that's when you see let's rock written on a car, like, that's all dreadful. To me, it all feels like it's this leading up to this awful thing. And there's the scene where I'm just like, off the top of my head, note there's scene where where Leland and Laura are in the car and I believe it's Mike, the one armed man is behind them, like yelling at the stoplight, and and it just makes me so upset and uncomfortable. And all the Philip Jeffreys stuff, all the David Bowie stuff. He just shows up and he's yelling and talking about something we don't understand.

It's a dreadful film, and I love it so fucking much. That is such it It's awful and it's so good it and like I'm newer to Twin Peaks because I had only watch started watching it a couple probably at this point three years ago. We sat down and watched it from the beginning. We did the whole we did the series, We did Firewalk with me, then I did the supplementary Firewalk with me. I forget what it's called, but the like hundred minute Missing Pieces, yeah, which is an I mean that is more sad.

I think, Um, it's beautiful like that that extra sort of film. That's more kind of um. And I mixed the two up because I've only seen them both now once. But to me, like I put them together. But I also know I feel like the Missing Pieces kind of takes some of the more like softer moments out.

Yeah, but there are wider moments that I think and just like more character stuff. Yeah, it is. It is additive, for sure, but it's great. Yeah, and it can add to the heartbreak because I mean, yeah, you know, I don't like, you know, Lady chained up, Lady terrorized, those are not stories that I enjoy. There's always a way that that Lynch handled Laura, and Shea was always present even when she wasn't present.

Um, there so to see this whole story, her story after spending hours and hours already in the Twin Peaks universe. Yeah, that made it even worse because it is terrible. The lead up to her death is awful and tragic. And I googled like scary movies, and a lot of a lot of people brought up Lynch stuff, but not a lot broad a lot of people go to maholland drive um like they do. I think even like a racer head, like there's a racer head is terrifying.

I had a really bad reaction the first time I saw a racer head. It did not make this list because I was not afraid, but it sent me into a really deep existential spiral. I could see that I have one of my runners up give that in a similar way. But there so I'll say a racerhead. But if I was, if I was absolutely picking just one Lynch to go with it was it would be firewalk with me.

Yeah, it's a good one because it really and I also I love the genesis of it. I love that basically, um, Laura Palmer was really not was meant to be a symbol, but was not really meant to be so much of a character, right, she was meant to be this this thing that drives a story and that you need to know enough to understand everybody's motivations and possible motives. But that basically, from what I understand, David Lynch was like, surely is so great. I want to keep working with her. I want to make a movie for her.

That It was like this kind of beautiful combination of still having ideas about the universe, but more saying I want I want this. I want everybody to see her play this character in a way that we didn't get to see. And I love the sort of like when you look back on it because you I'm not a true crime person. I don't really care for all of these like dead pretty young women's stories that we turn into lifetime movies and such. They make me uncomfortable.

I think there's something really weird about what tantle hases people about it, and in some in so many ways, Twin Peaks is the epitome of that. But what it's doing is also digging in, like peeling it up and saying, well, no, it's it's not just this person, it's this whole town. And that's kind of Twin Peaks, and that's you know, the return. But then Firewalk with Me is but let's actually look at that person, let's understand her, and let's see her. And it is so I mean, dreadful is the right word, because it is like a Greek tragedy where she it's like she knows and we know, and it's not going to end well and yet and it still surprises you.

And yeah, it's a good one. Yeah, I want to watch it right now. Yeah, And that actually is a good lead in to my next one, which um, okay, I'm gonna say too. So one thing. It's the newest one on my list.

It is the most recent movie. Okay, I also wondered if it was going to be on your list. But in talking but it's thematically is actually a good really good um pairing with Firewalk with Me, because it's also about a teenage girl who senses something terrible is happening and maybe knows that she's going to die and knows that this is the end and that there's something to fight against, but she can't do it. And we're also looking at it not through her point of view, but through the points of view of all the people around her who loved her and lost her. And it is two thousand and Eightslake Mango.

It is okay, so it's my It's on my very long list of honorables of like things to think about, to talk about potentially. So there is that scene where it is a graphic. The first time I saw it, it's around the cell phone or whatever. That terrified me. Yeah, truly.

But when I that's why it's just on my list is like a talking point because I felt more and this is where I get weird. I felt more dread and sadness, Like I wept so hard I am puked at this movie. I watched around the same time that I watched Another Earth, a movie that also fills me with existential dread and makes me want to cry until a puke. So it really gets categorized in the cry until like puke as opposed to like actually being afraid of it, because I don't know that I felt fear during it. The first time I watched Curious to Hear You talk about.

Yeah, the first time I watched it, I remember I got the Netflix disc This is probably around two thousand and ten or so somewhere over there, and I knew people really liked it, so it was one Then I was like, Okay, turn the lights out, sit down, watch it don't have distractions. And I can't remember what point it was, but at a certain point I might like cat me out or did something to where I jumped. And I paused the movie and realized how tense I had been. That I was sitting there at this one little sound, just like whoah like that. And it wasn't that it was a jump scare.

It was that this movie had wound me so tight because I didn't know what was happening. I didn't know where we were going, but I knew it was taking me somewhere very dark that I actually something I never do. I paused it and got up and said, I'm going to use the bathroom. I said this to my cats, and I did, and I didn't actually have to use it, but I still remember this. I did not have to use the bathroom.

I just was like, I need a break. I never do that. I want a movie to do that to me. I would never think of, oh this is scary, I'm gonna turn my head. But with this movie, it tapped into something and it wound me up and I was just so terrified of where it was going.

And you're right, it gives you one big scare, right, it gives you this one really really memorable image, and then it but it doesn't like do that and then and it does that and then like deconstructs it, right, because then it kind of talks about what was that? What did she saw that? What did it mean to see that? What does it mean? You know a spoiler arts to all of these obviously, but to know you're going to die and to see it, to be confronted with that image, and to be so young, and to know that there's no way out of this and you're just living the next couple of days knowing this is the end and maybe you'll leave something behind, and it's still you're right in that like line of what disturbs you, what upsets you, And like Mungo, like now probably when I revisited, it's more sad than it is scary, but it's still to me taps into something very terrifying of that of seeing being really physically in your face confronted with your own mortality and knowing your your time is limited and in this case it's really limited.

And and that's it. And then I mean, there's so much else about that movie that is just wonderful and brilliant, and the way it's really dealing with grief and other parts of it that I think I come to now differently, but just go back to that aspect of it and the just terror of what this means for this character to me is still something that I don't know that many other movies have tapped into quite as well. For sure. It's definitely uh one I think about regularly, and I'm really glad we all seem to have come around to how great it is. It gets sighted as you know, yep, phot documentary, great, found footage great, you know, it's great.

I'm glad. I'm really glad because it is deserves so much all it once, and that's quite quite a quite a big deal, especially that late what did you say, twenty Yeah, it came out. You know, we've been making movies for a really long time and it managed to innovative and did something very new. Yeah. Yeah, and I and I'm glad you brought it up because yes, obviously all the things you say I agree with and I like.

What I like too is that I think now you can see its influence on movies, which is really interesting that um, I could. I've watched movies that have been made in the past ten years and said, oh this is and not copying it, Just like I finally watched We're Going to the World's Fair and there's an image in there that I'm like, oh, this this director definitely is maybe winking at Lake Mungo. Um Horror in the High Desert, which I just had a sequel, which is a great time footage. Your movie, which does this similar thing where it like definitely crip no, it's in like good ways where this is a movie that finally is getting its respect, but also I think is going to keep showing up on I think you're going to see more and more horror filmmakers talk about their influences and talk about this movie, which is exciting.

So your number five, so my last one on my main list. It's funny you said about Like Mungo, like you just needed to walk away from it for a minute, like you just needed to stop. I will say that I actively avoid movies that make me feel that way, but this one, this one did. It's Grave Encounters, Oh, very nice. Grave Encounters is one of the last movies I saw as an adult that I felt overwhelmed by like I was so scared that I that I needed to stop.

Wow, that's how scared it got me. And I think there are probably a lot of reasons. It is found footage, but it was found footage from a different angle. It was they were filming a ghost hunting style show, something that I was very familiar with, so I felt like deeply entrenched very early. I got what they were doing, I got who they were, and when things started to go wrong, it felt very real to me.

And the stuff that it used as it scares, the gags, the gimmicks, the visuals really spoke to me on like a personal level. There's like a bathtub gag. There's a lot of like things in corners, which are you know, hacking cliche, but they're being presented as I'm I'm walking through these rooms I've walked through before. I walked through these rooms when I wasn't scared. I walked through these rooms when it was daylight.

But now these rooms are terrifying. So I think it gets into haunted house areas with me with that, and there's nothing more terrifying to me than a really good haunted house movie. Well end, a haunted house movie where you it's not just that you can't get away from it, you cannot get out. You can't get out. Yeah, yeah, so because the house is bigger than you thought it was.

And I think and that's a really good point because I think that plays into my need to step away from it. Is probably stems from the fact that the characters themselves can't extricate themselves from it. Yeah, it's a single night. It's not a family moves in and figure like with a lot of found footage stuff. It is that that one hit like happened right, and you don't want those external factors of Okay, well then the next day we had friends come over and so on.

Yeah, and so it's very unrelenting. And I can watch it now and look at the effects and be like, oh okay, Like that's not as scary, not as affecting. I'm not off put by that like weird open mouth guy as much, but like I will say that the setup is still really scary. What happens to the characters still makes me very upset. And the visuals from that there, if you see sometimes I'll just see them randomly in a gift like and I don't think people know what they're using, like the little girl in the corner and like the um like the hospital gown when she turns around in her face to storts and her eyes that's from that movie.

And I see that gift everywhere. So I mean people other people found it scary too, are like, yeah, so Grave Encounters is I think I watched it and I was in New York so twenty eleven. I can't remember when it came out. I remember sitting in my chair and like cover like both hands over my eyes, like I just I just need a minute. I can't.

I can't with this fucking movie. And I and I still love it. And it was directed by the Vicious Brothers and um Colin Minihan. Um, yeah, asks who's gone on to make some movies. We both love love him love him so like really turned out to be, in my opinion, a great filmmaker that is telling really interesting stories, which makes it even more satisfying because I'm like, I had a right to be scared.

This person has a deft hand. He wanted me to be scared. No, I agree, it would not have been in my like scariest list, but I really like that movie. For me, it does one of the best bait and switch of movies I can think of, when about twenty minutes in, when you kind of it's presenting is like we're ghost hunters, this with that that, and then when it does that actual turn of like Okay, no, dude, we need you to like we're gonna have you. Can you come on camera and say this like it's done so well, And it also does that thing where it then tricks you because you're like, Okay, yeah, these guys don't know shit, Yeah, nothing's gonna happen, and then it does happen.

And I think the other part of what why Gravinghunters, I think for me stays memorable. It's um one of those fundamental fears I think I have is the whole I walked into a room and the room isn't ending, and I can't get out, and it's bigger than I thought, and now it's going downstairs, and now I can't get out because now this place keeps growing. And I think that probably comes from one of the scariest books I ever read, which was House of Leaves. Yeah, and it does like that. That's kind of the horror of it is that basically the people get trapped in a house because it's bigger than they thought.

Somehow there's hidden staircases and they cannot get out. And it's one of those like little things that will always get me in a movie, and grav Encounters does it because at a certain point it's just deeper and deeper and it is very, very terrifying. I love it, though. Yeah, good, Okay, So those were we're our five pretty Oh no I didn't. You're right.

Oh I forgot my five. Okay, my fifth, I forgot that. I let you win first. Okay, so fifth one. I put it last because even though it is one of the earliest movies on my list, I didn't watch it probably until after most of the other movies.

And it's one that when I first watched I really liked it. I thought, Wow, this is a classic, this is great. And I have revisited it once or twice, and every time I do it, I find myself feeling clammy and feeling emotionally terrified, because what it taps into is it is a very scary thing. And probably like when we didn't go so much into some of our own deep fundamental fears. I have a few of those.

They'll go over in my honorable mentions. But in the world that we live in, you know, there are certain aspects of who you are that might give you bigger fears of some things than other things. And I am I am Caucasian, I am lower middle class. I don't have reasons to fear the world quite as much as many other people do in terms of just this world being very unfair and cruel to different people for reasons that are not theirs. But the one thing I can say is I'm a woman, growing up my whole life a woman, and there are people out there that just hate women.

And that is a really fundamentally scary thing to realize. And my number five is nineteen seventy five is The Stepford Wives. That's funny because I couldn't pin down what it is or what scene was or but it gives me similar, really panicky feeling. Yeah, I like the remake for different that does not make me feel that way. Um, and the book makes me feel a different way.

But this, this movie makes me feel like I'm unsafe, I'm being threatened. Yeah, I was gonna say like I feel like a like a really real present threat when I when I watch it. Um, but I couldn't quantify that, so I didn't go with it. But please know I did think of it. Oh, I love that you did.

Uh, it really because I've read the book and the I mean, you know, you need the book for the concept, and the book is fine, and then the book is very of its time, okay, very seventies the movie. What I love about the movie is that it is weird, like if you might not know what time period it takes place in, uh, because it is made in the seventies. The kind of modernness of it. It does feel like it's like the seventy five. But there is a Victorian element to how the wives are styled, which makes sense.

In the book they are they all basically become kind of they look like playboy bunnies, is how they're described, and in the movie they're not. They're wearing stiff, long flowered dresses with high collars. Because I think what is really upsetting about Stafford wives To me, it is not just about oh my gosh, the thought of my husband wants or all the men don't are afraid of women and they're gonna do everything they can to hold them down. Like that's we know that that's out there. But what is it setting about stufford wives?

Is that, like, it is not a sexual thing. It is just this idea of no, we're the ones who have the power. They don't. So it is not it's abuse, but it's not abuse in ways that I think the book kind of goes more for in the movie. There is just the sense because you have Catherine Ross and her husband and there's something so horrifying about this man she's married to, who is unremarkable and not anything, and yet and he has this woman he is married who seems clearly to be this vibrant life force.

And they have and they have daughters. That's just that they have kids, they have daughters, and he makes the decision, and we don't really see his decision process, we don't see his point of view. We shouldn't, but that this man who is right there, who is the man that she has chosen to live her life with, has looked at her and looked around and said, I would rather you're not you're nothing to me in part because you're more than me, and I'm going to make you less than me. And what that says about him, what that says about what the world like what is he raising his daughters in after that? Um?

It just and it again like it's twenty twenty three and we thought we were past all of this, but wow, look at the state of the world recently and what's going on and how women still have full oft on me. Everybody is and this isn't that? How about that? And it's not that this is the first story to do that. It's not that it is the most horrifying, the most graphic.

But there's something about how this movie does it that I think is so timeless, and really every time I revisit it, I do have nightmares afterwards, and I do think about it because it just worms into you to realize this aspect of who you are that makes you not safe, and that is a scary, scary thing to realize. And I know many people have many more reasons of things that make them unsafe in this world. I'm not as terrifying, but for me it is. I can grant this is a very white woman movie in many ways. Yeah, yeah, but it is a very effective one and one that I think really does say a lot and put a lot out there that once it's not there, it's it's hard to take back.

I want to watch it now. I know it's so good. It is, It's very good. Yeah, it's streaming somewhere too, I know, I keep I think it might be in cannopy maybe. Yeah, I've clicked past it a couple of times recently.

Yeah. Yeah. So okay, So those were our ten scariest movies of all time. I love what you picked. I like you picked.

Was surprised by some of it. Sure, and there is one that I'm waiting for and I hope that it's in your acknowledgements or boy however, okay, my footnotes, I said, how do you want to do footnotes? So I I limited my footnotes. I have one, two, three, four, or five six runners up that I wanted to mention. Um, I don't I have a couple and then just a couple like concepts that I'm sure Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's a good idea.

Yeah. I put on also my list of, um the three things that that scare me more than anything in the world. Weirdly enough, only no two of them. Actually, UM have movies that are on my list as well from them, but like to me, I'll let me start with the scariest, Like you're you're um again. I keep using the word cosmetic, but it's easy.

Your cosmetic fears those like things that you are your phobias. You're like, oh, it's a spider like that kind of stuff that scares you. UM. For me, I have two caterpillars, fuzzy black caterpillars or gray caterpillars, not like exotic ones, not green ones, um, but the ones that are fuzzy that turn into moths. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the bushy ones that UM.

Some summers in Long Island, they would aligne that we would have like an influx of them where they you couldn't lean on a tree because they would be there, and you lean on a tree, you need twish a bunch. And I had just thoughts that they would all come after me. You would walk if you had like a tree lined street and you walk down it, they would just fall from the sky on you. Uh. And the way they move very unnerving to me.

I used to like them as a kid, like I would collect them like I would just like put a bunch together and put them in like a little like hole and then then like that was fine. And then I would have nightmares and they didn't start to nightmares charged his dreams where I would like go into my bedroom and they'll just be caterpillars everywhere, And it was like, my dreams are trying to tell me to fear these things. So all that being said, I have never seen a movie that taps into my fear of caterpillars. Huh. Yeah, I don't really have like fear of a thing.

It's it's it's concepts or like, so like if you were on fear factor, they wouldn't be able to like put you in a tub of ventriloquist dummies, let's say my other one. No, I know that there's things, but they're they're not like that. I don't know. This is really this is really pulled back a layer of I don't know if I understand certain things about myself. I don't like to be scared, and yet I'm claiming that no physical things scare me.

And also I'm afraid of everything all the time. I don't really know how to deal with that. But no, I'm not afraid of spiders or snakes or clowns or um. I don't know. I guess I'm afraid of disease.

I'm afraid of afraid of dying. But um so one of my honorable mentions, I guess is actually the Deep House. Oh yeah, that's good because it's water, and water is something on the more cliche and that it scares me. Um, I don't feel like we belong in the water, just like space. Oh my god, I didn't even put space in here.

Here you go. But so the movies that scare me about sunshine Sunshine should be on this list somewhere, but water, space, the sky. I didn't put final destination when the airplane explodes. I think maybe I'm trying to shield myself. I like that you're like, yeah, no, I'm not afraid of anything, and then you've just given everybody now we all know how to scare you next time.

But like, I don't know that. I feel like water is like yeah, like either you're afraid of the water or you're not. It's not like it's I can't swim well either. So that's a part of it. But Deep House is a haunted house and it's underwater, so it's a it's a lot because haunted houses can scare me because they're supposed to be like the house is supposed to be safe and like and then it obviously like when I was growing up, my house was not safe.

So I very much can relate to haunted house stuff because I understand the intrinsic fear that you can have in a house like that's supposed to protect you, and then when you when you plunge that underwater, it's just too much. So this was that deep House is one of the more recent movies that I like. Grave Encounters. I was kind of like, this is a little too much right tapping, like kind of very specifically made for you. I got that, Yeah, like I'm a little overwhelmed by this.

I might need to like talk through this uncomfortable moment or like stand up real quick. Yet it so one of the the other freely thing I'm afraid of is, as I mentioned, ventrilogist dummies. I do physically find myself pulling out my collar and saying when I see ventrilogist dummy. And it could be like a Digo commercial, it could be I am, I happen to walk somewhere and there's somebody with ventrilogos dummy? Why would there ever be somebody in public with one?

I just I they make me really uncomfortable. Just everything about them there, their little mouths and their giant heads and their eyes that don't blink or they do blink. I don't know everything about it, and there have been a fair amount of movies that have chose that have used them to varying effect, but one that to me is not the scariest. The movie itself isn't. It doesn't even feel like it's a horror movie.

It feels like it is more a drama that is just tapping into something that scares so many people that it often gets classified as horror. And that is magic. I had a feeling that might be here. Yeah uh and again. Um.

My favorite behind the scene story was that um Anthony Hopkins is playing ventriloquist and Richard Attenborough, director said we'll get comfortable with the doll the dummy here, like take it home, like learn how to play with it, get get used to it so you can act with it. And he brought it home and by midnight he called the director and said, you need to come and pick this up or I'm going to set it on fire. Because even Anthony fucking Hopkins was that scared of that dummy. So I understand that because I grew up with the Twilight Zone episode of that with that that dummy, I I get it. I just that never that never spoke to me in any anyway, which is interesting, Like I never felt like appealed to with with with dolls or dummy stuff.

I think it's so interesting that you did, yeah or do I don't know why I'm saying it in the still Well, it's funny because dolls today don't I now. It's one of those things where I'm just fascinated by them, where I love a weird looking doll, a scary doll I want to walk into. If we go somewhere and you discover there's a doll museum or an antique store, and I know I'm going to get to go into a room it's just gonna be dolls everywhere. I am thrilled. I love it.

But as a kid, there was a very specific like childhood trauma that made me afraid of dolls and so and I carried that for the longest time, and I would and I would go into a movie knowing, oh, if there's a doll scene, I might be really uncomfortable. But also I wanted to be uncomfortable, so I gravitated towards it and for the most part, like dolls don't scare me today, I'm still convinced that every one of them is alive. So there's that. But if your trilicris dummies still do. And it's like I can say, oh no, I've didn't really scare me, but I will physically.

Let's say, if I'm holding an egg, I am not holding an unbroken egg. If a dummy comes on the TV like it just physically, I realized I typed up just thinking about them. So there's that fascinating. Yeah. Um, I will just say.

Another movie that has creeped me out or done things recently is Underwater. Oh would still have seen I was gonna watch it a few weeks ago too. It's not like there are a couple like ikey scary situations. It is again on your water, as the title would lead you to believe. Um, but it uh yeah, I think that adds to it, the claustrophobia, the unescapableness of being underwater.

There's a couple icky like kind of gross gags, nerve racking, you know things. But yeah, that one really got to me A good one that I'll pair that with that. I don't know how close it was on your list, But to me, if I'm thinking, what, he's a really fucking scary movie that also has very good themes of being trapped. The Descent. Yeah, I actually I saw that pop up when on a list that I saw, and then I really tried to like extrapolate if I could, if I got there with it, and I never really felt the claustrophobia was there, and the implications and the well not implications.

But when you watch the original ending that like she never gets out, yeah, like thankfully is the way I watched it the first time. I think that makes a big difference. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't see it that way, So there you go. That could have been why it never flagged as really terrifying for me, because that getting stuck, you know, being trapped kind of thing.

Yeah. That was one too that I watched by myself when I was living in Korea at the time. I was home alone, and it was one of those like, oh I heard something good about this, let let me watch it. And I watched it on my computer and it was very claustrophobic and it was just one of those glorious Oh I didn't know I was getting this, yeah, and all of everything about it worked so well to where when I have I remember the second time watching it and realizing, like when I watched it like on a blue ray, there is a scene early on where you see the outline of a creature and you don't see that like if you're watching it on a computer, you can't make that out. And it means when it shows up, you have no idea, because I remember going into it, I had no idea if there I didn't know there were monsters.

I just knew it was a horror movie. So I thought horror was they are trapped in a cave, because once that cave wall goes in, it's, oh my gosh, this is horrifying. Yeah, but then suddenly there's this monster, And if you see the monster ahead of time, or if you just see that there is something following them, it's like, oh, that would have taken me out. That would have just like taken that element away from me. So yeah, sometimes it's it's fresh to do it that way.

I'm trying to think, what else I want to talk about? Oh, okay, real, real quick, Um, there are aspects of as above so below okay that have really scared me the first time I saw it really unsettled me to the point of feeling scared again. Another claustrophobic underground, Underground, there is water in that too, or gag in that that makes me really uncomfortable. Then there, I will say explicitly if you have seen it, there is a scene with a car and underground they just show turn a corner and there's a whole fucking car and a character meets an untimely Yeah, and with the car, something about that thing being where it shouldn't doesn't make sense. I think a lack of logic.

And there's something I felt this way when you were talking about excess is three. Specifically, when something decides to not follow earthly logic, I get really uncomfortable. Yeah. Oh, and I'm not going to go too deep into it, but Varium is also it's not following rules anymore, and I just go like, well, I hate this. This is vivarium for me.

Um. I'll tie that into another one I had on my runners up, which is a movie you and I saw it together. Another a movie that taps into something very deep within me, which is a fear of having children. I don't want to be a mother. I have not wanted to be mother for a long time.

I think, I don't think I'd be a terrible mother, But it's more I am terrified of what I would feel and how I would not want to have made this decision and then have this decision made and Vivarium to me, it is very much about that. It is imagine one day suddenly being trapped in this house with a screaming child, and you are you have to take care of it, and that's your new world, and it's image and Poods who also I think can tap into that really well. But another movie that does that, I don't know if you figure it out. We need to talk about Kevin. I didn't even Yes, fully, we need to talk about Kevin I.

I love that movie. We saw that movie together, did yes. And it is one that again usually not I would not consider it a horror movie. It also taps into something else and I'm really scared of like my fundamentally, if you held a gun to my head and said, what is something you are more scared than anything in the world. It is somehow being the cause of somebody else's death.

I am. It's why I am such a ridiculously careful driver. I just can't if I was behind the wheel and I made the wrong decision and somebody died because of that, I know for me, that is the scariest thing in the world to face the idea of killing somebody that I did not want to kill, her dent to kill and we need to is not I mean, in a way, there is something to it of Tilda Swin's character who didn't want children, but for whatever reason decided to have this child, and this child knew it, and this child somehow and also maybe he didn't. Maybe there's an element of that movie that you watch and you say how much of this child was that and how much of that was her projecting onto the child, But regardless, the result was this child somehow grew up knowing this about her and therefore goes and kills people.

And is that her fault like and that she lives with it after and that she kind of deliberately tortures herself with it, like she doesn't move, she stays in town knowing everybody looks at her and knows who she is and what she what she was responsible for, And just that aspect of it to me is just so terrifying. I get that it's so interesting that you bring this up. For that reason. I had recently seen like a thread on Twitter of people like, you know, when people ask a question. The question was, what is a movie that's not a horror movie that is actually a horror movie?

That kind of thing? Sure, And I immediately thought my first thought was, we need to talk about Kevin. But it's because I'm afraid of teenage boys. Yes, too, Like there's a better watch out does this? Yes?

I love movies that fucking throw in my face. How aggressively terrifying that aged boy be. Yeah, because especially to an older woman who is in a weird power dynamic there where you like, you feel like you have a responsibility in that situation, but you also can very easily get into some something very bad. And yeah, it's a dynamic that is um more not to say, like more interesting than you know, an older man and a teenage girl. Like, it's not just that it's that there is a slip, because there is the teenage boy still has power.

I guess, yes, thank you hate So it's different when it's when it's an adult male and a teenage girl. The power dynamics are different, and that in and of itself can be exploited and it's scary and it's upsetting. And even when the younger woman fights back in like a hard candy situation, then you have you. You've gotten into rape, revenge, territory and all that. And I think it's fascinating, it's great.

Those are some of my favorite movies. But when it's inverted and it's a teenaged boy and an adult or older woman, that teenaged boy still has the essence of power that that woman doesn't. And I don't I don't think that that's a universal thing. I but in my life, in my lived experience, a teenage boy has more power, he has more rights I guess essentially typically more physical powers too, and knows it. And and for me, it's not so much of the it's not so much that a man can overpower me, or a younger even a younger man can overpower me.

It's that they know they can, right, or that they come at me thinking that they know they can. And it's that dynamic that will immediately make me, will call me, it will shut me out, that will make me step back because you you think that you can do something, and I feel like Kevin. He embodies that in a very real way, like that boy does not give a fuck about what Ulta Swinton says, thinks or does, and he in the movie proofs he doesn't have to right and he challenges it. He pushes it the way the way he dresses in that movie. Yes, and I mean that's from the Bookshoe, where like he wears clothes that are too small to show his body.

Why why And it's not like, oh, to be sexy, No, it's because it it gives you this yeah, that he's popping out of his clothing and also making you uncomfortable as a woman, as somebody that looks in this says, oh my god, I shouldn't be looking at that part of a boy. It is complicated and disturbing and awkward, and then you add all these other elements of oh and also it's your fault, which I feel like that movie is very much exploring and it is just for me. It is my nightmare. I get that that that's a good one. That's a great movie, is mee Okay, I'm gonna pair these I didn't I didn't include them.

But it's kind of when things get mystical or when they get supernatural and the world stops working. Right, Um, I put Prince of Darkness and Mouth of Madness okay my list, Um they are's unsettling aspects about both of them that the world stops working. Yeah, right. The world of Mouth of Madness is not right. It is now changed and I don't know how to live in a world that looks like that.

And Prince of Darkness is almost like the it's that as well, but it's the lead up to that, like with all the transmissions and the Alice Cooper stuff, there's like stuff happening that's not right and people aren't realizing it yet and they live. You could even kind of put in there that that like something is happening, it's changing the way the world works and we don't know yet. Yeah, it's very scary to me. You know, I didn't write it down, but I would pair with that. And for me, it's the original, the one that's that's the most powerful.

But Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Yes, we just watch always Steps into which one? Did you watch Puppet Masters? Oh? Nice?

Nice? It's like it's a boy yeah. Also Donald Sutherland, right, yes, so, But because I was thinking I was thinking, what I put body snatchers on here, or even the blob like the nineties blob. I was thinking, yeah, but painful way to die. That's why that blob gets me because that looks very painful.

It does yeah gross too. Um let's see Okay, another oldie that I had on here. It just goes back. We covered this and like you're one of our show, but on the kind of similar to the Stepford Wives as far as like a basic, fundamental scary thing, but that it handles it so specifically, the way it handles it is what makes it terrifying. And that is The Collector with Terence Stamp and Susannie Yorke, because yeah, I love that movie.

When we watch it is just a fundamental boy gets obsessed with a girl, kidnaps her, puts her in his very fancy underground layer and wants her to love him, and tries and she resists. But she's so smart in that movie, and she tries everything, and she is constantly making really smart decisions of figuring out how to do things. And it doesn't matter because in the end he's a little bit bigger than her and he has the key and she doesn't, and it is not again, It's a story that like, yeah, there's a million stories like that, but it is done in such a way where you understand why it is such a losing battle and it's so upsetting, and whenever I think about that movie, I get sad. It's a tough fun. I'm noticing a lot of your picks are about being trapped.

I guess they are. I really love that. Yeah, I feel that because I feel like I am tangentile to that. But but yours are you aim edge towards being trapped by people or entities, and I'm more like, you know concepts. Yeah, no, that why I think it's the I guess that is it goes back to like this fundamental thing of like the idea of I don't know, like you you know what you can do?

You know you can't do? You know this? You know that like at the end of the day, like I know, like I am in this body, I am of this mind, and I don't have a lot of this stuff or that stuff or that stuff, but like I have me. I know who I am, I know what I am capable of, and the idea of taking that out of me and putting it into a box somewhere, Yeah, and putting somebody else in me. So that part two body swapping and somebody's taking my body and all that and like not having autonomy is very scary to me.

I yeah, for good reason. It's all completely valid. I just think it's so interesting to hear you articulate it that way and see what triggers that in you. I think it's it's really fascinating. This has been quite illuminating, Oh hasn't it?

Yeah? Um, I have a combo real quick. Conjuring interesting. I don't think the Conjuring was scary movie. And I didn't like the end, and I don't like the aspect of it those people, it's too religious and all the I don't know why.

I can't think of words right now, But anyways, that's not neither here nor there. Conjuring is a visually stunning movie. I stand by that. And there are some set pieces and setups. Beer is the hands clapping yep, which it comes just comes out of the dark.

So for me, Conjuring isn't like it more gives me scary visuals. Yeah, it's a movie that when you're watching, you are jumping, you are scared. Yes, and and the first time I watched it, during the hand clapping and there's somebody jumps out of like the cupboard or the armor or something. There are a couple of things like that that scared me so much I thought, I'm never watching this again, Like this is just too scary for me, because it's it's stuff like that that that really gets me. They're like disembodied hands and like spiritual spirits, ghost stuff that don't follow rules, like I can just pop out of something and disappear.

And then Annabelle specifically because there is there is a scene in there like laundry room area of the building they live in, that is very scary to me. She's being chased by something unseen, and it really taps into that like as a woman sometimes I don't feel safe existing in certain space, and there are parts of annabel that I feel like get into that. Um. But yeah, just Annabelle as a concept that movie is is very Rosemary's Baby kind of tan gentle. So it gets me in the same kind of ways Rosemary's Baby might.

Um, you know, like the people, the lack of autonomy, the not actually knowing what you're what you're involved in, and not being believed, and also because you're not believed, you also start to doubt whether you should be believed, and that that is a horrifying thing. Yeah, yeah, yea. So so those are two of my more mainstream, newer nice like these movies scared me, that's exciting. I've one that now is not very new but felt new at the time, which was I think it's in nineteen ninety nine. Uh, the Japanese film Pulse.

Yeah, I've actually never seen. I saw this come up on a list too. Yeah, I've never seen it. I saw the American one, which I believe I mentioned to you and you told me to watch the original Beca because it's like really apocalyptic. It's it's been a really long time since I watched the American remake.

I only saw one time the Japanese original is. It's funny because the first time I watched it was something I used to try to do is whenever I would move somewhere, like the first night in a new new place, if I was alone, I would try to watch a scary movie. And I watched Pulse. There was when I lived in Russia and I was like all alone in a new country. I didn't speak the language, and I watched this fucking terrifying movie, and Pulse is it is, you know, early Internet horror, but not like it really the Internet is part of it, but they don't go into it.

It is just something there's some kind of plague of some sort making people maybe take their lives, and something's out there. We don't know, We never really know. It does go by the time it ends, it takes on a much bigger, broader picture where it is not confined to one place, and it's one that I rewatched it like a couple of years later, and I wasn't as enamored with it. And then like two years later I watched it again. I was like, no, what was that kidding?

This is terrifying. But I had thought about, like recently the last couple of years. I was like, you know, my husband's never seen it. We should sit down and watch Pulse, like he's got to see It's such a good scary movie. And then like COVID was happening, and I thought to myself, no, this is actually a could be a really upsetting movie to watch during COVID, just because it is very much about connections to people and a lack thereof and what that does to you and sort of like how much do you exist without other people being there and seeing you?

And this this idea of disappearing, I think it is one that always um always freaking mungo, Yeah exactly. That's one of the reasons that one gets yeah yeah, so so yeah, and it's it's scared, like it is gorgeous, it's um forget the director's for it's Kurro Sawa, but not that Cursawa's other Currosawa and you also made a movie called Cure very very close, like a year or two before, that is equally unnerving and also a really scary movie. They've they've aged in different ways, but it's again, it's one that stays with you and can make you just there's a lot of scary moments. There's a lot of dark rooms and not wanting somebody to open a door and they open the door, that kind of thing. But there's just kind of a very deep sadness about it.

That it's this idea that like once it seeps into you, you can't shake it. And once you get this feeling it's there and you basically become a ghost. And that's scary. Yes, yeah, alright, tell me what else you got. I only have one more on mine.

I have one more and it is is just a brief moment, and I felt like I needed to mention it, but I was too scared to watch it for years. This is from a movie that I grew up watching, watched dozens and dozens of times, and there was one specific scene in it I could not watch. I would turn away, I would leave the room, and uh. It is from Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Large March.

It is large. It's funny. As you were saying this, I'm thinking, are you gonna say my movie the next one I have? You didn't, But as soon as you started kept going, I'm like, it's large March. It's definitely large March.

It's fully, fully large March. I saw it the first So I love Pee's Big Adventure. I always loved it. And there's a couple when you're young, very young, there's a couple of things that are scary and it kind of supposed to be scary, like Francis two in the Blackout, Gum is like weird looking, and the clown. Yeah.

Yeah, so there's a couple things that are like we But I liked that. I was okay with that. So but the first time I saw Large March, it scared me so much that I said, I will continue to watch this film with you people, but I will not watch this part ever again. And I was a full adult the first time I watched it, and I was like, oh, it's not that, but it is, like because it like by that point in the movie, things have kind of calmed down a little bit, like you haven't had too much as they need us in a while. And it's a quiet scene, and like it's even done as a ghost story, right, she's telling you, you know, all night was just like this.

But the timing of it, it's just one of those where you're like, man, how has Tim Burton never really just made a straight out scary horror movie? Yeah, and he hasn't. He's made or adjacent in a million different ways, but just for him to just the crafting of that scene, and it's the Giodo brothers who did Um Killer Clowns, Matter Space, who did Large March. You did the design of it, and just when it happens, it is just it is, and it does exactly what it's supposed to do. It is that thing as a little kid that scares you.

But isn't that scary to where like you shouldn't have seen it, Like it's a monster, it's it's just a monster, and then it goes away. But it is so effective, it's done so amazingly. Yeah, I'm with you, Uh mine is I don't think the scene was intended to do that. But it is also a movie that was made for kind of a young, you know, teenage and children audience and was not in any way intended to be scary or to give Emily nightmares. But Superman three, the motherfucking robot scene, I have only I have seen it a very long time ago.

I know of what you speak. Oh, it's like it's a movie. It's Superman movie. It's not a very good Superman movie, but fine's Superman movie. It's yeah, there's fights, there's this, there's action and so on.

And then somewhere in the movie, electricity is going walkers and it drags one of our villains into this electrical chamber and suddenly metropolises her and makes her into a robot and she gets burned. I guess burning was also something that really or like electricity burning, freaking me out a lot as a kid. Yeah, and she's got this crazy hair and suddenly she emerges and she's walking like a zombie and looks at people and shoots lasers out of her eyes, and it is like, I think it's like a thirty second scene. If you start googling Superman three, immediately Robot Lady comes up because so many people like me have done that where they're like, oh, how bad was that scene? And they watch it, They're like, oh fuck, why don't I watch that again?

But it is just visually in terms of like those images. I remember we had like hard There wasn't playing cards, but it was the way like movies would put out decks of cards that would be scenes from the movie, and we had one of Superman three, and there was one that was that scene, and I remember hiding it so that because I didn't like I wouldn't throw it away, but I didn't want anybody to like, I didn't want to look at it, so I remember like hiding it in like my brother's mattress, and nobody would ever see it again. It was scary, amitch, damn scary. I understand. I understand.

I am going to say, I am genuinely surprised. Return to Oz is nowhere. You know. It is one that I thought about because both Wizard of Oz also the flying Monkeys and Wizard of Oz as a kid freaked me out but got over them quickly. Returned to Oz as a kid was the wheelers were so upsetting to me, And I mean, the heads are also scary, but it's the wheelers that really upset me.

But it's one that by the time I like revisit it it enough to where they are very quickly dispatched as not that like they're pretty beatable, although like them falling into sand and disappearing is kind of terrifying itself. But yeah, that was my thing where I'm like, you know, like they're scary, but it's pretty clear that they're not very smart, so you can actually get away from them. I understood. I understand that. Yeah, yeah, anymore on yours that you wanted to throw out there?

Oh, I don't think so. I think I got to pretty Oh Blair Witch the first time I saw it, when I saw it in the theater, everything leading up to the very end that brought her running around, screaming, running in the house, little handprints on the Wall going to the baby. That was awful the first time. I thought it's still awful when I rewatch it. But you know, I think that was one where I remember going to see it on a Friday night and we drove to one movie theater and it was sold out, so we had to drive to another movie theater a couple of towns over, and it was such an exciting movie to watch in a packed theater.

And as much as I do I think that is a scary movie, I think the ending works. I think my first experience with it was so I could not fully immerse myself in the movie movie because I was so fascinated by everybody's reactions, because the entire theater was screaming and jumping and laughing, to where like I got to kind of like it felt like I was sitting back and watching people watch a horror movie and not immersing it myself. I think that's one of the times where sometimes like the movie theater experience as or like the communal theater experiences as great as it can be to enhance a movie and to like, I love that moment when you watch a horror movie where everybody screams and then everybody laughs, And it's not that it's funny, it's that everybody is laughing at how ridiculous it is that we're all screaming at this thing.

Yeah, but it also is something that like I can't not notice when I'm watching a movie. So I remember with that movie it ending and like looking at like the first thing, I couldn't think about the ending of the movie. All I could think about is my friend next to me saying can I stay at your house tonight? Like and that, and how scared everybody around me was, and just thinking like, oh, this is great. I'm so happy this happened.

It's so funny how early interactions with something can really color the way you view it. Like That's why I'm so weird about when I'll watch a movie same yeah, because like this could literally I'm so extreme, this could change my life. It could well. And it's why I always ask you when you're telling me about a movie and I'm like, oh, okay, I'm gonna watch it. Do I need to watch it in one sitting?

Or can I bring it up? Because it does it it is It can be not unfair to a movie, But there are movies that I mean if you watch Lake Mungo in installments, it is not gonna would not have done that thing to me that it did. And if a movie could do that, I want to give it the chance to. That's why SKINMMERNK was such a disappointment to me, because I'm like, bring it, I'm ready, I'm ready, I turn the lights out, I have headphones in sensory deprived. Give it to me.

And I was like, oh man, I'm not taking it. So it does it can totally affect it. Yeah, I get that. Huh, what a fun conversation, I know. So everybody, please tell us what your scariest movies are.

I'm very curious to hear what more people would would put on their lists or if there's anything that we said that you were like, oh, yeah, that was me too, But I didn't realize anybody else had that feeling. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm always curious about like weird little like oh when a movie does something like this, or when like what gets people? Because my mom has this thing where she doesn't like things running at the camera, like if that makes sense to you, yea, she really doesn't like that. She doesn't like things on the ceiling.

So yeah, orientation to my mom in a movie is very important. I could say that, like pet Cemetery Zelda. I think that's why so many people that, Yeah, the example she will give, she cannot watch that part, she will just leave And I get that, But that's never been anything that upset me. So I always found it fascinating that she would really like like things floating when they shouldn't. She really zeroes in on stuff like that, and so I always find what people respond to or don't respond to really fascinating.

Yeah, I think children do like doing things they shouldn't. Is one that gets me, Like again, children singing, but also children's like it's not to me scary, but the way like Resident Evil has like the little girl as the exposition giver, Like those little things that just make me like you're a child and you know more than you should and there's something very wrong about that. They'll get me yep, I get that. Yeah, Oh fun, Okay, folks, well tell us all of your fears so we can exploit them. That's the one thing that we probably should have thought about, is like if somebody doesn't like us, are they going to start sending like bushels of caterpillars to my house.

This is the thing when you're afraid of space, big large, Yeah, open bodies of water or space. Someone would have to invest a lot of money. But to do that, like, we've watched enough movies where we have seen really like i mean, look at Saul, Like you can do a really elaborate murder plan for somebody just to fuck with them. Yeah, Like, somebody could PLoP you up and they have built a yacht just for you. And the yacht is astronomical theme.

So inside the yacht it's space and outside the yacht it's water, and like you're in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and yeah, it's costing millions of dollars to keep you there every day. But somebody's doing it because they listen to this episode and they know that would be your worst nightmare. Yeah, I mean, these are these are the risks of being a really open, honest podcast. True, that's true. I mean people, you don't understand what we put out there for you.

We're being very vulnerable, very much, very much. All right, Well, on that note, we don't know what we're doing next. We'll talk about that. Off off Mike and figure it out. But thanks for listening.

Every so, I guess, you know, make sure you follow the rules that you have set when you were six years old and wear socks in the basement and um, you know, run quickly and do whatever you need to do to not get killed by the you know, dolls or or goblins or or ghosts or or whatever it might be that's after you. Yeah, look in the toilet before you sit down, always without chasing. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's not that hard. Just lift it up.

Look, do you did you lift up both seats and do the like, look at the rim and the look behind it. No, that would be too scary. I had a brief acar rocknophobia period where I would look under the toilet on both sides to make sure they're no spiders. So that's fair. That's fair.

Yeah, I mean logically it does make sense. But okay, folks, so be careful out there. It's a scary world. Goodbye you with the park you do to ride my mut be, I saw my baby crying for the space. What you have to do?

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