160. Catchup, Poseidon Style

We're waiting. There's got to be a morning enough. If we can hold on through the night, we have a chance to find the sunshine. Let's keep on looking for the light. Oh, can't you see the morning enough?

It's waiting right outside the storm. Why don't we cross the bridge together and find the place that's safe. It's welcome to another episode of the Critique. I'm Emily and I am Christine. And what do we got going on today?

Christine? We're talking about some things we've watched. Yeah, and wholesome wrap up show, good old fashioned ketchup. Now do you spell ketch up with a K? Or with a C?

Cats up? Cats up? Yeah? Do you eat ketch up? I feel like that's something that you that's like, it's not the thing for you.

No, I don't. I don't. I avoid tomatoes. M that's all ketchup is. Yeahs like tomatoes and sugar for the most part.

Right, Mmm, I've been fancy lately. I do I have like the gouchu jong in a in a jar in like a squeeze thing, so it's goacha jong Korean spicy paste, but like with something else so that it's more of a sauce. Um so usually what I do now is like I'll make if I make burgers or something, i make Brandon's with ketchup, and then I've put Goacha Jong in mine, and I feel so much better than him, really elevated, m I think. On that note, that leads us right into the first movie that we want to talk about. So for those who don't know, this is a catchup episode where we just talk about all the stuff we've been watching.

And when we last did this, Christine had seen a movie and I said, oh, I really want to see that, so don't tell me too much about what you thought, because I want to get back to it when I watch it. And then I watched it, and Christine, what movie is that? The Menu? Menu? So what did you think of the Menu?

So I watched it almost two months ago. Okay, I've been really I've been doing one or two movies a day this year, so it's my brain is just a little full fascinating. But I thought it was fine. So we watched this movie and it's like a whole thing because it was like a Monday night or Tuesday night, and I think maybe Jeopardy hadn't It was like I got home early so it was like before Jeopardy aired, So it was like, Oh, we have all this time and dinner is ready. What should we do.

I'm like, hey, let's watch the menu. And we watched the movie and the movie ends and I turned to my husband and I say I loved it. He turns to me and he says, I hated it in that hockey tone. I think that's really interesting. I didn't hate it.

I had I had a lot of problems with it that made me angry. But I think we've talked about this before. When I get really angry about something, it's usually because I see potential or something that was egregious and didn't work and it didn't have to be that way in my very lofty opinion, but my I believe my husband also hated it. Fascinating was it a case because I can see a case made for this, and I don't agree with it, but I've seen people say it and I can totally understand it. Where you look at this movie, you look at this cast, you look at the visual language of it and the possibility of it, and think, but you could have done more, or you could have Like the movie's probably about an hour forty five.

It's the rare case where I'm watching this movie and I'm like, I wish it was two and a half hours. Yeah, that that is yes, I can I can co sign that. I think I'm very curious to hear what really worked and resonated For me. It felt very thin and very shallow. I didn't I didn't see like a point I've seen people kind of have a problem with, Like I didn't know anybody's motivation.

That ain't me like I got. I knew why everybody was there, who everybody was. I did not have a problem with that. And then keep in mind I gave it three stars out of five. You didn't dislike it, You just felt kind of something was was not there for you that was there for me.

Yeah, I felt like it didn't actually explore like the class stuff I see. For me, I didn't take it so much. And again there's a lot of different ways to see it. For me, it was less interesting as a story about class or even food culture as it was a story about art and about being an artist. And what does that mean for an artist is that to be successful means your art has a price and has an you know, an audience and reviewers and everything else, but that ultimately, if you were good at painting, if you were good at singing, if you were good at anything like that, the only the only audience that can afford you.

The more successful you get and the more respected you get, the farther away from humanity, like your art is in a way. So I kind of took it more as as that, as like food being a good vessel for that, because it also makes it like a bigger I think, like analogy in different ways that like Ray finds just you know, his love was food and cooking. But in order to be successful, you just have to keep going up this ladder that you don't want to go, but where else do you go? And I thought it was he is aware that he is the problem as well. Um that it wasn't just a oh the richer bad, it's the rich don't deserve my art.

But I have put myself in this own position where I'm only making art for the rich. And and I think, and I wish I got that as as strongly as as you did, as I know that it was there, like I did pick up on all that, but for me it didn't actually execute anything with those ideas like it was like it was like the framework that the movie was put on, but then it didn't like take a stance or fairly like tell me like, it didn't help me explore that idea. It's just like presented that idea, I guess, which is why I said it was shallow again three stars. I gave it three yards. It's just And there was the little thing um about with Anya Taylor Joy's character that she, you know, is a sex worker and essentially is manual labor.

She's physical labor, right, and that you know that is seen as like, well, you're one of us, not one of them. And I and I appreciated that stuff, but then again that didn't really go anywhere or do anything. I just didn't And I get like, oh Anna Taylor Joy is like the regular, She's the average Joe and I have her and she wants a cheeseburger, Like I get all of that. I just maybe I need to rewatch it. I would rewatch this because I thought the performances we're good.

She was really great, and I think Nicole is as an amazing asshole, so and the like. There were little things about it, and I know a lot of people had problems with them, like your I guess what group of twelve, like the actual diners being very lightly defined. For me, that was fine because I got it like okay, finance bro and this and that. But I also like something I loved if you go back and rewatch it, just watch Judith light in that performance, because she, to me, is giving like like she has like a very thin character on paper, as most of this movie is, and I think it almost works like I could have seen this as a play first. I feel like it would work that way.

But that she just every time you like catch her somewhere, I feel like she knows exactly what she's doing, Like she is there and she is doing so much with her face and her body and like and the movie doesn't give her any time because it's not about her. But just like little things like that that I really thought elevated it sort of outside of just kind of it being this wacky concept and I found it very funny. I laughed a lot it just and it felt like there was there's other movies I can kind of like draw lines to as far as like some similar things it's doing, but for me, it just felt so fresh and new and not like something else that I've seen. Yeah, I'd be curious to look at it again. I definitely don't understand like the really negative takes on it, because, like you said, it is taking risks and trying things, which is exciting even if it was completely unsuccessful.

I think is exciting enough to warrant looking at it, you know, And I'm just I'm curious to see. You know what. Maybe this ushers in a new kind of narrative, maybe we get a different style of filmmaking, because it was a uniquely told and it was that thing that I know you love that one night like from Traps and with Strangers and this is where we're going, and yeah, I think on the good segue from there, another movie that does try something difference, and I fully respect that it does. Did you see Skin of a Ring? Not yet?

No, Okay, I'm too afraid of it to be honest with you. I've heard people say it's really triggering. Oh man. Okay. I won't say much more because I would like, I don't want to sway you in any way.

Um, because it is I think going to be a very personal experience or anybody that watches it, I think you are going to come away thinking, this is doing something that I've never seen done and it maybe it did trigger something in you, or you're gonna come away thinking, boy, I never fall asleep during movies, and I actually fall asleep during this one. Yeah, I think. I think a lot of it that's so interesting. So I think a lot of it for me is going to have to do with my headspace. Yeah, and like I haven't been in the best headspace, and sure so it wasn't wasn't a good choice.

But I just obviously will probably talk about it because I will see it like it's on the very short list. But did you can you give me a hint as to how you feel? So I um, I have Actually this will follow a trend. I have one other movie like this where I get some I get some dental work. This this quarter, I had a root can It was awful.

It was terrible. I cry, it's all. I'm such a bait, Like I have a really high pain threshold, except for when it comes to my mouth. And I came home not from the root canal, but from the second dentist trip, and I thought I only had I thought that was the easy one. I thought, like, okay, they did the hard stuff.

Now I go in and they just put in the cap and I'm done. But instead I go in and it's another hour of them making the mold, and it was it was awful. And I come home and I have a headache because I've had drilling, and I smell the soldering they do in your mouth when they do these things. So I came home and it was early, and it was like a Tuesday, and I'm thinking, Okay, I can't work. I'm I don't have the headspace to work right now.

It's early. I'm home alone. I'm gonna pull the shades down. I am going to I have time. Now.

I am going to plug my earbuds into my Roku remote so the sound is right at me, and I'm gonna watch Skin and Rink because I know I have to watch it in one shot. I know I have to watch it in the right conditions. These should be the perfect conditions. Fifty minutes in, I fellas I actually paused it and just was like, I'm just gonna stretch a little. And then I opened my eyes and an hour had gone by and I fell asleep.

Um, this did not work for me. I respected I am very happy for its success because I think now I don't want movies to copy its style because for me that would be painful. But I fear that that's going to happen the same Oh of course, I mean look at like, That's what happens when any new horror style comes out, is Oh, you like shaky camp, so we'll do shaky camp. No, no, no, that's not it. Um But just the very idea of this movie, the idea of how it's constructed, what it is trying to do.

And again, I think it's very subjective, and if it works for somebody, I envy them and I think that's amazing, and I respect what was attempted and what the goal was. And clearly it did work for a lot of people, so that's great for me. This just was once I knew it wasn't working for me, it was very Oh god, really another forty five minutes of it. So yeah, yeah, I get that. I have a follow up did And I don't believe that these movies are the same or linked or that similar, but I have seen people compare Skinnamer Rank too.

We're all going to the World's Fair, which I haven't seen yet. No, I'm gonna watch it, um, probably next week. I have a whole plan because my husband's going away, and I realized, like, oh god, my usual like night routine is totally in flux, and what do I do. So I'm like, Okay, let me make a list of movies that I will watch that week. So that's going to be one of them.

So I am because I loved that movie, Like I felt extremely connected and moved and it was very much like a vibe a journey. Yeah then, and I was into it. But I've not been coy about this. I often do get high and watch movies, so I think that does have something to do with my level of enjoyment, like I can kind of get to a place where I can just be with something and then after I'm like, oh, that was a nice experience. And I don't know if I would necessarily feel that way if I hadn't been in the sin set.

So we'll see. I'm very curious. I'm very scared. I'm wildly curious for you because that was what I wanted, like I wanted to and I thought I was in the right space for it because it was like I had a physically traumatizing day yep, I am home. I am in my recliner, my cat is right here, the lights are off.

I have my headphones in my ears, like I never do that, but it was one of those cases where I'm like, no, I want I want to hear everything. I'm not going to turn the some titles on because I don't want to be distracted, like I want to experience this. And maybe I was too much, maybe I was like trying too hard for it, but it was just one of those things. And since I have watched it, I have seen some like kind of analysis of what it's actually saying and maybe what it's exploring. And once I saw that, I was like, oh, that that does make it more interesting.

And again it's something my brain wouldn't go there, just because that is not my experience that I would pull when watching a movie. But I could see where, oh if if you're thinking that when you're watching this movie, I could see how this could be really upsetting and really like you are suddenly are there, which I think is what it's trying to do. I mean it is there is literally no character in front of you. You are the eyes of this movie. Interesting.

Okay, I can't wait for you to watch it now, even though I didn't like it, I really can't wait for you to see it. Oh, I will prioritize it, okay, okay, but next time we speak, I will have seen it. Good, goody good, all right? So what do you got? I've can keep going.

But let me hear what are we are? We? You want to go buy genre? Let's go by genre. Let's say in horror.

Okay. So for me, my first real horror film that I would like to talk about is uh Sick. I too watched Sick. I didn't like him very yes, Okay, I was worried. I didn't want to be like yeah, because I could not tell if you would like this or not.

I was I figured you'd watched it just because of the Kevin Williamson thing. Yep, um, yeah tell me so. Sick is on Keycock. For those who don't know, it is a slasher. It is a COVID slasher in more ways than one.

And it's not really a spoiler because it's kind of clear. And then it goes places that are just to me stupid and don't make any sense and do not make sense if you have a calendar, and if you are trying to watch this with a like, oh so if this happened, then then this happened. No, Like, it doesn't make sense, right it, so I think, um, you know, I'm gonna bang the same drum. I think that for me, one of the biggest flaws of this movie was that it was entirely forgettable. I never cared enough, did not care about these characters in the least.

I never cared enough to care about the world that they lived in. Yeah, like I don't, I don't. I got what. It was very clear what the movie was trying to do, like obviously, and I don't necessarily and maybe maybe you did, but I don't necessarily have a problem with that. If you want to address like a certain part of COVID in the lockdown and what it did to people and what it yeah, where it took their actions and brains, because I kind of think glass I did that.

Yes, you know, but that's so. But yeah, if we if we want to do that, if that's gonna be a genre of movies directly addressing that period in time, I'm fine with that that. That's not my problem with this movie. And I've seen a lot of people say, like I want to see something about like, no, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it, but first of all, understand how it worked for sure, like you're not making salient points if it's not a reflection of real life.

Like and again, not to spoil anything, I won't say what happens, but there is a timeline on when an action happens offscreen and when a COVID task, which was not available in April of twenty twenty to everybody, the results of that do not add up. Yeah, yeah, it's it's just it feels it felt rushed and like yeah, and I'm sure, which I guess people liked and normally I do like, but it also meant that I don't like, oh it's over, okay, good and I'm done. And we didn't we didn't actually do anything right, Like I don't feel like anything got accomplished. It was very frivolous and throwaway, and I don't when I think of like Kevin Williamson, I think of that and like a good way, like I want a fun, fun frivolity from my slasher movie, not like what's the point, Like I'm tapping my toes, like what's what are we doing here?

Yeah? But what's the point of this, right? How many people do we have on screen? So I don't have enough that I'm going to have exciting death scenes or action scenes. And I don't particularly find anybody charming or interesting.

I don't know who's the good guy or a bad guy, and I really don't care. There it is right, you didn't care. Like I was very disappointed, and I still I still gave it like two stars, I think when I rated it because it it did some Williamson shit And yeah, it's not in apps, it's it's it's not unwatchable, it's just a disbelow at disappointing. Yeah, yeah, especially with like the kind of pedigree that is attached completely. Yeah yeah, Um, I have more horror.

Do you want me to keep going or do you want to but throwing one? Amy? Okay, So I watched a movie called The Devil Below Devil Below, I don't know the Devil Blow. A group of four amateur adventurers who specialize in exploring remote and forsaken places pay a visit to shook them Hills, a town in the remote Appalachian Mountains which was abandoned decades ago due to a mysterious coal mine fire. Okay, all of these things are so Emily's jam.

So is this movie my jam? You should watch it? Okay? Where is it? Where is it?

You know? We definitely streamed it. I don't remember. I know, I had my letterbox hooked up to tell me, like where things are, but sometimes I can't figure out Amazon. Oh, Amazon Prime.

Horror is always my favorite horror because it's movies that are like decently made but very cheap, and nobody has ever heard of any of them. It's so funny that you say all this because the only reason I'm bringing it up is to see if you'd watched it into kind of soft recommend it to you. I didn't like it, and my review of it it was it was almost a real movie like it. But I know that you are a little bit more forgiving than I am of like lower kind of scrappy budget like stuff, so so I thought maybe you would get something out of it. That's why I'm throwing it out there.

I didn't really know. I appreciate that I have. I have a few Amazon movies of that. Of that ilk um so one is one that I okay, another thing that I love or not love, but like something that I'm weirdly drawn to being a completist on is that post saw boom of movies where a bunch of strangers wake up in a room. They don't know why they're there, but it's name they've done something terrible and somebody wants killed them all in creative ways.

So this is essentially that. It is called House of Nine. It is on Amazon Prime. Of course it is. I'd never heard it and I'm watching it and didn't realize until, like I did some math that it was like two thousand and eight or two thousand and five something like that, and I'm like, oh, dull, of course it is.

But it just took me way too long to figure that out, mostly because I've never heard of it. And it's weird that I had never heard of a post saw horror movie about people locked in a house starring Dennis Hopper. Oh weird, I've never heard of it either. Yeah, so Dennis Hopper is there. He is one of the nine who have been kidnapped.

And something I love about this movie is it does the thing in the very beginning where a bunch of people wake up they don't know either in this mansion and they have no you know, and a speaker comes on and says, yeah, there's nine of you. You don't know each other, don't try to figure it out. There's no secret to why or all here. I wanted nine of you here. I play a game.

Whoever, whoever it survives. The last person living in this house wins a million dollars. That's it, goodbye. And it's that like it really isn't. There's no like, oh, wait a minute, I knew you from this, or we both killed that person and covered it up, like no, no, no, It's just nine total random strangers all a house, and it is a pretty decent cast, like there's a few people in there that you're like, I know that person, I know that person where they've gone on to have careers.

So the acting is a little better than a lot of these other types of movies. It is turns very quickly into random people shouting at each other, or there's like more than one montage why not. It is not good, but again, in comparison to most of the other a bunch of strangers wake up in a house together and only one of them can live. In that subgenre, it's better than average. I also enjoy that genre so that does sound interesting.

I was also going to use this as an opportunity to again soft recommend something, but it does not seem like it is streaming anywhere. It is a season of television from twenty ten called Persons Unknown Poet that is about a bunch of people waking up in a deserted town. Oh. I think about it maybe twice a month, three times, but it's not streaming anywhere, so never mind. But maybe I can get the Netflix disks.

Yeah, it's that same premise, because I too enjoy that premise part of it. Oh, and they're all really attractive. Christopher macquarie, he's a guy. There are people you recognize, Oh, Traffick Boseman. It's people you reckon.

Jason Wiles, who I will never forgive for getting kayleb Kelly Taylor hooked on cocaine in season six of Beverly Hills one or two and ol So like, yeah, it's really good to explore these things that we enjoy because sometimes it jogs my memory on other stuff that this cast is insane. I really loved this show. I watched it twice. It was one season. Yeah, okay, and it wraps up the season wraps up while leaving it open for a second one.

So it is kind of crappy that it was just one season, but I do feel like you get some kind of clothes. Still satisfying. Okay, yeah, good, good, All right, Um, let's say I'll throw another Amazon Prime. This one was was not as good, but it had a good idea. It's core.

Today I watched As the Village Sleeps, So this is um a bunch of very boring some some kind of attractive, but not all of them are not attractive. Not to be petty, but if I'm watching a horror movie about hot young people, I'd like them to be hot. As the Village Sleeps it is set on a Chumash reservation and most of our actors are white, so that's great. Eat is so these young people are just terrible young people and such, and they're playing a game of Werewolf, like the card game Werewolf or Mafia like you know in the variation of that card game. And then they all get drunk and they all fall asleep, and they wake up and one of them is missing, and they figure out that because more start missgo missing, and that basically like the game is still being played and like, clearly one of them must be aware Wolf, but we never see them be aware Wolf.

But yet the people that were victims are disappearing. Conceptually, this is a really like cool way of doing a low budget horror film because it actually doesn't show you anything. There is like a quick picture where they were like glowing eyes in it. There's you know, a sound effect. There's suddenly somebody disappears as you hear like a scratch, but they never actually show any horror.

I don't think there's even like there's a there's a bear trap, like I get stuck in a bear trap. But it's like impressive with how little they actually put on screen and manage to make a horror movie out of just this idea. The problem is it's just again kind of like sick. The characters aren't interesting, the actors are not inept, but they're not finding anything there to make me interested in watching them. They're all very stupid.

They're all the epitome of like just partying teens being assholes, and you could tell their assholes. Like so there's kind of nothing there, but there's a I really respect the idea of making this horror movie and then realizing, oh, shit, we can't actually show anything. That's okay, we have a way around it, So make of that one you will. I like ingenuity, it's there, It's definitely there. Let's see you got more horror.

I have. I have something something interesting. I have a a John Carpenter movie I had never seen before, which would be someone's watching me exclamation point that is like early early Carpenter right evand eight. Wow. I had never seen it before.

I don't know where we watched it. We might have just rented it because it looks like it's available to like run through Apple and all that drunk. But it it was a amazing It was probably the best one of the best movies I've seen this year so far. Like I it blew my mind. So it's Lauren Hunton, Adrian Barbau, other people, but that's what's important.

Was it made for TV or was it the answers, Okay, it was made for TV. And it feels like a made for TV movie, but like in a in a good way, not like in a like a made for TV movie in the seventies is very different. When we say that today, it's very true, and it's so ambitious, and it's so interesting, and it does a lot of interesting stuff with like voyeurism and in the and thus it is mildly hitchcocky in because it was very difficult to tackle voyeurism looking into people's apartments without appearing hitchcocky. Yeah. I loved it.

It was amazing. I will watch it regularly now. I can't say enough good things about it. If you it might be one of my favorite John Carpenter things. Yeah, it just does so much right and it's so interesting in the Lauren Hunting character is so good.

So oh, fantastic recommend if you can find it. Yeah, I've always I knew the title. As soon as you said it, I'm like, oh yeah, I can. I can picture different poster art for it, but has never crossed my radar, so I will look out for it. It reminded me a lot of eyes of Laura Mars, like I wanted to do a double feature for some reason of this great Okay, very nice, Um, okay.

I have one more that was on Amazon Prime and this was a delight. I feel like you might have seen it twenty nineteen, I think, bit I have not seen that yet, but you have heard of it, you know, I know I know of it yet, Yeah, I had not. It showed up somewhere. I think somebody had some article like a list of like best new horror comedies, and I guess it's a horror comedy. I mean it's I think it's more a horror film that has a lot of humor to it.

It is a vampire story. It is a lesbian vampire story. Um. I actually was interesting going into this movie. I knew nothing about it other than you know, i'd seen it again show up on lest and I was not familiar with the lead actress, so I didn't catch this until like I'm halfway through the movie and then I um like pulled it out because I'm like, somebody's familiar, let me see who they are.

And then I see like a description of the movie that I had been watching for half of it at this point, and I see the description being a trans girl goes to LA and joins a vampire cult or whatever whatever it is, and I'm watching, I'm like, but did I they Is that a spoiler? Like? And then I realized, like, oh no, this is just a movie where the lead, both the lead actress and character is trans. But it's actually never said in the movie. It's just it's not addressed directly.

But then immediately I'm like, oh, that actually makes perfect sense. Like they've talked around things where you know, you say like, oh, I wonder if they're going to go more into whatever they say, like, oh, she's had a rough year. We don't know what that rough year was. Oh okay, okay, this all makes perfect sense, but it is really refreshed. And then I've read like there was an interview with the director.

It's a male director who basically said, like he's a writer director. He said like, I wanted to tell a horror movie about characters that are not usually the leads and movies, and I wanted to be really sensitive and careful about it, and I, you know, made sure I had the right people on my team and a female director of photography and like all this stuff. Um, and it feels at first of all, it's really entertaining, it's very short. Um, it's a really cool vampire gang, and like the lead actress who's like the head vampire is just like really cool, Like you know what, Like you watch a movie and just like don't feel good because you're like, oh, if if I like met you you would look at me and then like look away, like you wouldn't find me cool enough to hang out with you, but you're really cool and I would want to do everything I could to impress you.

Like I felt that a lot watching this. Um, but it's it's just it's good. It's uh do it does some fun twists on vampirism that you haven't really seen before. It's it understands how much it can and can't do. So it is clear really fairly low budget, and so it's not overly ambitious.

Um. You know, the effects aren't anything special, but it's not about that. It's very much just a character piece and I had a really good time with it. I will bump it up my list because I've wanted to watch it, and I think that you just told me everything I need to know, so I will look at it. I'm always cautious sometimes, like I just feel like I don't know if I want to take a risk sure right now, but yeah, I'm definitely going to prioritize it.

Good good, And it's still on Amazon. It is on Amazon rime. Okay, well may we pause for a second. We may pause for a second. I have to get some water water.

All right, now back and properly hydrated. Give me another one you've watched? Um? Did we talk about Megan? I haven't watched Megan yet.

I'm going to watch that also next week. Okay, so we'll talk about Megan Megan at a later date. Can you can you give me a rough leg? Where is your thumb? Which way it's wiggling?

Oh? I liked it. I think I've heard things about the unrated that not that it necessarily adds a ton in, but that it kind of rounds it out nicely. So I'm looking forward to revisiting that to see if maybe, if, if, maybe I like it even more. Now are both on peacocks, you know, I believe?

So yeah, because I'm wondering, do I start with the unrated? Maybe the unrated I think just hit like this past Friday. Okay, just happened, So I don't know, maybe start with the unrated. If I had the option, now, I would have done that. Gotcha?

Gotcha? All right? Um? All right? So another movie that that is also about French and the sensitive age of being eighteen girl or a tween girl.

So this is like one of the movies where so we're doing this episode today fairly close to the last time we recorded, because I was like, I don't have a giant list of movies, but I have several movies that I really, really really want to talk to Christine about, and this is one because this was a movie you recommended and it was on Chutter and I'm like, okay, let me sit down and watch Christine's recommendation of Sissy. Oh yeah, I liked Sissy. I loved Sissy. Oh I'm glad you loved it. It's it's like, um, fun and different and stuff, right, it has an energy about it and it's like this weird thing to quantify I guess that I've started to notice about movies where um, and I think part of it, like two is like generationally, when you're watching something, you know it's made by somebody who's technically like in another generation than you are, and there is something about it that you're like really drawn to and you're feeling this like buzz about it that's working for you, even if it's not like directly talking to you or your experiences.

And I just loved it. This is a you know, and I'm not always the target audience for influencer stories I know you like kind of are kind of a sucker for them. For me, they can work or they can be kind of cloying. And in this case, I thought this movie has something to say about it that I haven't seen said about it before, where you have your main character who is a successful influencer and quickly, fairly quickly in the movie, she has to defend that and you as an audience. But I found so interesting for me being somebody who has no real relationship to influencer culture.

And at this point, I have now spent like a half hour with this person who I really care about, who is just this seems very vulnerable and is a really likable actress, and I am I've seen her, you know how she gets to where she is and I am on her side, and you know, another character is saying, like, wait, so you're kind of acting like a therapist, but you're not a therapist, isn't That's that's fucked up? And I'm sitting there on the other side thinking no, but she's helped, like she is helping people. Like suddenly I realized how on this woman's side I was and how important it is at that moment, because right after that things start to go a little crazy, and it's kind of the exact again, opposite of what we're saying about something like Sick, where I don't care what happens to anybody because they're all kind of meaningless characters to me who aren't working for me, whereas in Sissy, I was so invested in this character that I was like holding my breath and wanting fairly innocent people to die because I was on her side.

Yeah, definitely. It definitely is like a character piece, but like really successful and like kind of exploring should should I like this person? Or like are these criticisms right? Or and then and then when things start to not go well for her, it this empathy response kicks in, like like of course she's reacting this way, of course fault. Yeah, yeah, And it's it's fun to experience that, And it seems rare because you would think that in lower budget things specifically, that that's it.

I obviously over simplifying, but that's an easy thing to do, like making it your characters, these some people that your audience wants to be with is free, especially like again oversimplification, but like it seems to be a thing that we're not capitalizing on maybe as much as we could. And in some lower budget films, it's what is it? What? What do they say? Save the cat?

Right? Have character show me that I should care about them? Yeah, And the easiest thing to do is like, yeah, have them, you know, carefully escort the spider out of the room and not smash it with their hand, like and yet you know, have them be really nice to a waiter, have them help an old lady across the street. I don't know, it doesn't take much to do that, and something like sick. I think it's just the prime example of, like you've decided, I'm watching a movie about these two characters.

Why I couldn't. I wouldn't want to spend ten minutes with them, let alone spend a night hoping that they escape murderers, Like I just don't care. And with Cissy, it's not that she's a great person. It's not that we see her do amazing things. It's just this combination of just how this story is told and how we are kind of put into her state of mind that we just we're in her, like in her head and in her heart, and we understand why she is so sensitive about some of these things.

Um, and like I was like wincing when characters called her sissy. I'm like, no, her name is Cecilia. Yeah, there's an art to it. Yeah that it definitely does a lot of things really right. So I'm glad that you I'm glad that you liked it.

Um, I think more people. I wish more people would watch it. Same same. It's it's funny too to think of it, like in comparison sort of too, what was it dead not the dead stream? Is that that is the name of a film game?

Yeah, like because they're they're not dead like, but they'd be a good like they're a good double feature in some ways. I agree. And they're also both of them I think are a husband and wife. We're not a husband and wife, but like a two person writer director team male and female. Like there's something interesting about that that, like they're telling different stories.

And in dead stream, the character like you kind of do want to watch him software because he's an asshole, but he's charming to where you want to spend time with him still. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of it and I hope this is true, but I think a lot of it is is maybe younger people understanding what makes someone compelling to watch because we have so many like YouTube personalities, people TikTok stars, like understanding what makes a regular human compelling instead of just putting Chris Evans in a role, you know, like like which I'm not saying he's not compelling, but like, I think there is room for more interesting movies without big names attached to them, and that does seem to be happening a lot in like the indie horror space.

It's a great point because and again, like I know, I sound like Grandma talking about influencers because I really don't understand it as a culture. Like yeah, I you know, I have Instagram, so I know that there are people that I suddenly follow because I have liked enough of their dog videos that now I'm like, oh, well, yeah, this person has a new video about her boxer, Like it's great. But I know that there are it's a whole different kind of language, celebrity language to other people that actively engage in it. And it's not that the person doing it is like always the funniest or the prettiest or the anything Like, it's just there's something about this personality who has figured out a way to sell themselves on the camera the way they do it, and it connects to people.

Yeah, and it's the same thing of like why somebody is a movie star and somebody else who's a great actor isn't a movie star. There's that thing that some people have and it's yeah, it is really interesting to see it kind of like this new generation sort to find that. I guess, yeah, it's it's it's exciting and uh yeah, I want I want to watch dead Stream now. Also, I am pretty sure and I cannot. I have not gotten to like look hard enough to find this, but I might have a theory that.

Um there are a lot of visual references to another Australian movie um that is on Shutter called Celia, which I think I've told you about, which is fantastic. It is on the Woodland's Dark and Deep Documentaries. It's kind of nsidered folk horror but kind of not but it is um So it's wonderful but really like heartwrenchings. It's about like a ten year old girl in Australia. But there's like a few things where the fact that it's Cecilia and Celia, but also the way the um, not not Cecilia, but the other character who I think Hannah or Emily whatever the character's name is.

Um. The way she is like costumed as a child looks exactly like Celia the poster and like the way she is so I And that's also an Australian movie, also directed by a woman. It's like, I need to go deeper in that hole. But I think it was references to that movie so interesting and you should watch the movie even though it's really heartbreaking, and I don't know that I want to tell anybody to watch it. It's so good, but I don't ever want to watch it again, but everybody should watch it.

So I have filed a way that it's good, so I know if I'm ever really feeling like I want to go through an emotional journey, was available well, and I'll steal the next movie because it's another movie that is kind of in the same realm. Also on Shutter, also a female director, also about teenage girls, and it's one you recommended. I don't know if you figured out what it is yet. There's also a John Carpenter connection. When you started describing it, I was like, Huh, I wonder if I've seen this.

You have Slashback. Oh yes, uh huh, it's so good, right, it's so good. And I watched Slashback and Sissy fairly close together, and then one other movie that I'll get to in a little bit, and it was a whole lot of heavy hitting reminders of friendships at the age of like twelve to fourteen and how hard it is to be a girl at that age because you are so insecure and yet also so hungry, like you're hungry for approval, You're hungry for boys, attention or like all these other things, but you also like the only people you have power over are like your other friends, and nobody is meaner to you than your best friend when you were thirteen. Yeah, and like Slashback for me, which is a it's charming. I love the concept of it.

I love the execution of it, Like, yes, you can clearly tell that it was made for ten dollars and that's okay. There's so much about it. It's so good. But I also found it like what's the word I'm looking for? Like it was hurting me because that one girl who's like the little badass, who's like, I love my town, I love where I lay.

This is great. I'm gonna go hunting, I'm gonna kill that alien bear. And the way her friends are so mean to her, which is no upsetting to me. Yeah, the littlest, tiniest girl, Yeah, that's a little the one who actually in the very beginning, she's the one that's like fake selling a cell phone to her. Yeah, the badass is amazing.

The little tiny sister, Yeah, I had such I just wanted to take her out of the movie up, like no, no, no, you go play over here. Now you're over here, and now I'm going to watch this. Yeah, but everybody's okay. And I think very early on I did know that I was safe with this experience. Like I didn't feel like any of these girls were gonna get like hurt or terrorized or like mistreated, which was great and it is.

It is a reason why I avoid certain things because like I don't want to see because you can. You can. You can stack your cast with with like fantastic, wonderful, young, diverse talent and then still treat them like garbage within your narrative. I don't want to see that. So sometimes, but most of the time I'm kind of with especially with women and girls at this point, I'm kind of okay with it.

But like this, this I felt very safe from the beginning and it does so many interesting things. But yeah, it feels so familiar, which is such an interesting like balance to strike. Like this feels fresh, but also I know what it's doing, right, you know, Well it's smart in that way where I think it understands that it's not. It doesn't have probably the budget and time to reinvent the story wheel, if you will. Yeah, so instead it kind of says like you've seen the thing, so you know what's happening.

Go with that, and we're going to focus on these characters you have never seen get a movie. And I love that. I love just the idea of here's this story that you've seen a hundred times but told in a way or from a character point of view that they don't give movies too. And I and the soundtrack is amazing. Yep, it's it's really really strong.

I wish it had made a bigger splash, but it's tough when we have the amount of stuff coming out now at the clip, it is like it's tough to keep up with stuff. Yeah, yeah, it is all right. Give me another one, so I this again feels like it might be up your alley. I watched a movie called Deborah and it is a about a like a home automation device that allows you to skip in time, like to go back in time. And it is starring Deborah and Wall and Sophia Bush love her, I know, and she's good because I cannot otherwise look up this movie and IMDb because if I type Deborah, all I get is actresses named Deborah.

That's very convenient. It's also spelled like Deborah. Yeah, oh no, I typed that. That was my first instinct of how to type it and still it. Um.

I thought this was very fun and interesting in very low budget, but very smart about the way it did things. I also think I think we rented this one too. I was just looking out, okay. Um, Sophia Bush is really good in it. She's really fun to watch, ever, and Wall is really fun to watch.

I don't know, I've I'm there's that there was that Margo movie that was about like the like the home automation gone wrong, like the right but I remember you kind of mixed on it, right. Yeah, I'm enjoying this. This kind of exploration of the genre. I like this weird sentient automation, and this one is more about like we've been given the technology and we immediately do bad things with it. Right, It's less about like the automation itself is bad.

It's just it's more about how we use it. So I thought that was really interesting. I I definitely think it was worth watching. But it's got that like that low budge, single single location kind of thing, and I don't know if that doesn't bother me, I can get through that if it shows up street, like, if I see it on UBI in like a month, I'll do that it's there. Yes, Yeah.

Deborah Animal is one of those uh actors who I cast a lot when I read. When I'm reading a book and if there is an act like if the character is like somewhere in that age range, I find her like just a really good like face to have when I'm reading something, because I think she's very um she has like she taps into something very like internal I guess when in the performances I've seen her gives so nice cool all right, um, let me see, I don't have anything about home automation. Oh, but I do have a movie about doll. It's called the Doll. Oh, what's it about.

It's a good doll. It is the Oh shit, I think it's Indonesia or the Philippines. Oh, I think I might actually know what you're talking about. Yeah, it is a series of movies. There's there are at least three of them or four of them.

They are on Netflix. And Netflix is not really the place to find horror that much anymore, Like it just it doesn't go there, it goes other places. But I was trying to find some killer doll movies. It's been a while, and I see this one. I'm like, all right, there's like five of them, so let's see.

Maybe if it's any good, then I know at least I have more in this series. And this is essentially Annabelle like it's it's the same like where it's like the doll doesn't really do anything. It's dollars, the vessel that is housing the sphere at that blah blah blah blah. And I'll say um one again. Very surface thing is that the two lead actors are very attractive, and it makes you like want to watch them do stuff like that.

They're fine, but they're like, oh, they're really pretty, and this was like for a while, I'm like, this is all right, it's good. You know, it's not doing much for me because I want my killer doll to be a killer doll, not just to be the representation of a killer doll. But then it has a really good twist that I did not see coming, and it really changed it and took it into like, oh no, this is a horror movie, like because I think that's the problem I have with a lot of Annabel inspired movies is that their whole thing is like, we don't even have to make the doll move. It's just well, you know, throw scary sounds at you and we have a movie. But this actually goes pretty dark.

Um has a good surprise, and I enjoyed it, and I will continue on with the series. Oh okay, yeah, all right, uh Netflix, you said right? That was a Netflix. Yeah. And again there's at least three or four of them.

I know that I've seen it because I know that this this franchise you're talking about, Sabrina, I think is one of the yea, yeah, and it was. I've always piqued my interest, but I am very hit or miss on that genre. The doll genre. I got it, and again I would go into it thinking less of a killer doll because again the doll doesn't do anything. It's Anabel and more of just a sort of haunting.

I guess it. All right, Yeah, I think I might have Netflix for another couple of days. All Right, there you go. I have like two more, three more horror movies. I have perfect, I have two more.

So okay, did you well, let me get this out of the way. Did you see Knock at the Cabin? I have not seen it yet. I am debating doing a digital rental because I'm I read the book. I really liked the book.

I'm sure the movie is going to make me angry. Not because oh the book is always better, not because of that, but I just get the feeling from what I have heard about the adaptation and even interviews with Paul Paul Trembley, who I like a lot as an author, where he's kind of said like he's been very like respectful of it, but it sort of said like, yeah, well, you know, there's my book and there's the movie, and there're two different things. So I have a feeling I think I know what that means for the movie and compare into the book. I'm intrigued and I really want to see it, and I know I should wait like another year to watch it without having the book in my head, but I'm also a weak woman, and we'll probably end up ranting it.

Well, will wait until you see it. You were not keen on it right I was fine with it, but going in like right away, people we had a problem with it, and I and I was curious what the problem was. I have not read the book, and I'm not an M. Knight person necessarily, so like I didn't really have a horse in this race, so it was very curious why people were taking such exception to it. Like people didn't like it, and I was curious.

So I essentially spoiled myself, not on the details, but just of the general conceit. And I can see why people are irritated because I do feel like it probably undercuts what was an interesting story. But like from what I was presented, it was, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, I should have just waited to read the book. I really should have, but I had it, like I was one of those I requested it as a whole like months ago, and so it finally came from the library.

I'm like, oh, now I got to read it because otherwise it will be like another six months before I can get it, before you get it again. It's my own fault. It's my own fault. I'm just too damn nerdy. I can't myself.

Uh okay, my in the next horror I have, I guess it's horror. It's it's a certain thing body horror. David Cronenberg's Crimes of the Future. So I am on an official Uh. I don't watch Cronenberg movies.

And that's David or Brandon. I don't. I refuse to do it. Um and I will never watch this movie, so please tell me about um do I should? I ask why?

It's too it's dewey, so irony. Ironey is going to come when I tell you what movie I watched next. And I am aware of this irony, but um too, it's too upsetting. I am okay. You know like how I think there are a bunch of us who kind of really in like the mid mid to late two thousands, we're really digging in on genre stuff, and we're making it our personality to see as much as possible, as much as everything as possible.

And then I hit a point where I was like, now i feel like I'm punishing myself because I'm just watching things to say that I watched them. Yea, And I feel that way about Cronenberg movies. I'm sure I believe they're both fantastic filmmakers. I'm never going to deny that. For me, it is subject matter in visuals that are so unpleasant that I just don't even want to engage with the meeting.

I understand that, and Crimes of the Future is the epitome of Cronenberg in that way where it the only thing that's there for you is Kristin Stewart is weird in it, and I feel like it's a performs you would really enjoy. Probably, But I didn't really like this movie that much. It felt I guess it was apparently like a concept or a script that Cronenberg had written like thirty years earlier and just kept never getting around to it. And it felt like that because it felt like you've explored a lot of these ideas already. I don't know that you're bringing that much new to this.

You have great actors here, you have Vigo Mortensen, you have lay Us a dough like you have, like you you know, I don't know how much money this was made for. It doesn't look that expensive, but it's still probably like a little more than existence. Like it's but yet I don't I'm not getting anything new, and it's it just keeps going and it really it's not even that long, but it felt really long. I just couldn't. It was a case where I watched the first hour of it at the gym, which usually, like my hope when I watch movies at the gym, it's because here I am, the movie is right in front of me.

I can't cut away from it. Like it's when I want to really be immersed in something, but not something that I know, like I should have no distraction zone, Like I didn't watch Skin and Rink at the gym, but I watch Crembs of Future because it's okay, great, No, like I can just focus on this. I'm not on my computer, I'm not doing anything else, like my face is on this screen. And it was like, okay, no, I guess I'll finish it. And like three days later I finished it, like because I just I don't know, I just I got very little out of it.

Um, I think it feels a little bit like, you know, like playing like best of Cronenberg in terms of like there's like weird body machines. There's so much, there's so much of that. It is like you you would hate this again, Like maybe you can just maybe somebody can do a cut where it's just christ and Stewart for you in this movie. I wonder if that exists. It might Like she's doing like a weird voice, like she's got this kind of like shakyness going on, but she's really intense.

It like it's it was that part of it was made for you, but the rest of it was made to challenge you. So yeah, I don't thank you. I feel good about my decisions as as a person. Fair So what I watched was Carter Smith's new movie that's about body horror and swallowing bugs. It's not a spoiler, that's just what it's about.

What is it called swallowed? Swallowed? Okay, I feel like I just heard somebody talking about this. What did you think of swallowed? This is a huge, like disclaimer, it is not for everybody.

It is self indulgent as fuck. He Carter Smith of Ruins Directorial Fame, wrote and directed it. None of these to me are bad things. Everything that I am saying for me was a great thing for other people, it might not, it might not be I To me, this felt like a very small, intimate character piece about like what people will do for money and what what what escaping where you're from can look like books can look really ugly, but it is about like it is very body horror. But I trusted Carter like to not not do too much to me because I just feel like he has a love for his characters from based on one of the other things that I've seen, that he will take care of them and even if it means that they don't meet a great end, he is not cruel to them.

And and I believe that he wouldn't do anything that would make me too upset. And he didn't. This is a very gross movie. It's a very visceral movie. It's body horror, it's ingestion horror.

It's gross. But like I think, the other stuff going on was was too good for me to avoid it, like I couldn't. Jenna Malone is so good in it. It's and the boy that one of the boys, not the main boy, but like the secondary main boy is so amazing. Um, what is his name?

I can't even find it. He is a phenomenal actor and it was just really fun to see uh these or Jose Cologne, Jose Cologne. Yea one Mark Patton, who is fucking phenomenal in it. The performances are so good and so dialed in, and everybody knows what movie they're in. Everybody knows what they're doing.

Again, it's kind of gross. It's a little there's some monologuing that goes on a little long, and but like, I don't didn't care. I gave it five stars. I thought it was nice. Or have you looked at the IMDb photos of Carter Smith?

He's ignorable? Is he really cute? Like just go yeah, click click in his name? His main photo was just him directing Becau. It's nothing exciting, but he scrolled down and it's like his two headshots.

He just has very sweet eyes. Is he a little cute? De piete. I'm looking at his like and I'm like blushing, like sures are very very cute. Yeah, he's a little Cuteifi Um I he I believe he was a fashion photographer.

I think I might not. I'm not making that up, I don't think, but the way that he frames stuff, in the way that everything you see him in The Ruins. I need to watch The Ruins. It's been so long and I remember really digging it. We just talked about something pulling back the curtain.

We just talked about something at the beginning of this episode, and I think we'll be talking about I think I need to rewatch it before that episode. Then Nice. I love that movie. I think it's phenomenal and he he really does just it's like beautiful photographs just on screen. Yeah, I love it.

Okay, well, swallow it. I see is a rentable on it on Apple. If I see it stream in somewhere, I'll give you a show. This was like one of my most anticipated so I was like, I don't care where it is, I'm gonna as soon as it's available, I'm gonna see Nice Nice again. Perhaps I'll get the Netflix disc which is what I did for the last movie that is sort of in the It's habit of horror.

It's not really it's more drama, a kind of moody h Alex Perry's a Queen of Earth with Elizabeth Moss. I know that name. Alex Perry also did her smell Yeah, Um, this I really liked. Uh. It's Elizabeth Moss and I think Catherine waterstonum, and they are like friends but clearly also kind of hate each other, uh, and are both probably like rich and grew up together, and something terrible has happened to Elizabeth Moss and she is staying with Katherine Waterston like in her like summer country home, and it's just very much.

Um, it's a very strange movie. It is. I don't know where you would classify it. Like. You could call it a thriller, you could call it a drama with kind of haunting elements to it.

It's just these two women who have been pretty bad to each other, you get the sense, and are probably both independently not great people to begin with. But the difference between something like this and Sick is that these are also really fascinating women who I don't I can tell they're not great people, but I can also tell they're very interesting people. And it's just sort of you know, is Elizabeth Moss going crazy or is Catherine Waterston fucking with her? Or is there more to their pasts than we have seen? It's it doesn't like I can't remember how this movie ends, Like I don't remember where it actually goes, which tells you a little bit that like, this isn't a movie about story.

It's not about there's no storyline to this, if memory serves, And at this point it's been a few probably this might was like probably one of the first movies I watched since we started recording this. So it is not for everybody, but there is something about that I found very haunting and found again like between This, Sissy and Slashback, they're all movies that speak to something that I find fascinating, which is female friendship that starts when you are of a very certain age and how in some cases that is incredibly strong and something that will you know, sustain you for the rest of your life. And in other cases, the friends you made when you were kind of not really a person yet or not really like who you wanted to be can never see you as not that Like there's that sense of like, oh no, I always look at you and I remember us when we were fourteen, and like that that's a terrible way to live because nobody is still fourteen.

But like there's something about that that I kind of took between this and those other movies that was really there when I watched this one, So I don't It's a hard one to recommend to everybody because it's there's not much to it, but there is just something at the core of it that I found like really kind of like ripped into me, and I was very affected by that. Sounds amazing. It looks like it is on tub and on Cannopy. Nice, so I will be adding it to watch. I didn't even need to plug in my DVD player.

It could have just queued up Cannopy. That. I mean, Canopy is such a it's a big bucket, so if you don't it's a harder one to navigate too. We have and for some reason, I haven't watched anything on Canopy in a while because the last time we tried to watch so we have this like haunted thing with Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, which I've never seen. Brandon had it on DVD and we started watching it and realized the DVD was like two scratched, and then I saw it was on Canopy, so I'm like, oh, hey, we'll watch it that way, and it just like we got like a half, maybe like thirty minutes forty minutes into it, and the canopy just started like crashing on us and like buffering, And it's never happened to be on any movie.

But so it's either it may just be independent and maybe that I not meant to watch Pricilla in the Desert. I don't know. But ever since then, I've forgotten about Canopy, so I need to get back to that. Yeah, it's it's not a good It's not the best for browsing. In my opinion, I feel like it's a hard target kind of Yeah, you have to kind of hope that it under that it knows what to recommend to you, because when you browse through what I found is it just only seems to show me the same things.

Ye, but yet I didn't know Queen of Earth was on there, but like, why would I have not seen that when I constantly look through and see so yep, it's just for me. It's just documentaries. It only recommends me documentaries, And I'm like, okay, well, I know you have other stuff, so please just show it to me. Yeah, yeah, I'm here for this, all right. You have another horror.

I have a last one. But I'm not. I don't think I'm going to talk about it because you haven't seen it, and you might see it, and that would be we have a Ghost, which just showed up on Netflix. We have a ghost. The title's vaguely familiar or it's it's um Anthony Mackie and David Harbor and it's a Christopher Landon movie.

Okay, okay. I think it's so funny that Christopher Landon is now like a guy that we're all very excited about his movies. And I'm just like Paranormal Activity. My friends like, I love Christopher Christopher Landon from Paranormal Activity, but he did one of the Paranormal Activities he wrote, Um, I believe three and four O three and four. That makes perfect sense because those are the ones that we like.

Yeah, he has a big his thumb print is all over those those PA movies. Yeah, now that you say, that does make sense. Yeah, that's why I'm all about him. So I was super excited to watch this movie. I I personally thought it was like big, two big thumbs up.

Um, But I can imagine that maybe that's not everybody's feeling. I will say, if you are mildly interested in it. I would check it out if you get a chance. It's um it felt a little long, m m um. It feels like it's definitely skewed towards a younger audience, so approaching it with that mentality it's probably the best.

But that seems to be like what he's doing, like with like Freaky and Freaky and Happy death Day, which I didn't love Freaky, but I do love the Happy death Days. They are really interestingly person like. They just get I won't say they are made for a teenage girl, but I feel like they really understand their main character at that age. Thank you. I don't know what's up with Christopher Landon.

He I don't know that he writes authentic twenty twenty three kids, right. I think he just writes authentic kids, And it's my hope that they are as universal as they feel to me and that they can be applied to like multiple generations can look back and be like, oh I relate to that or I related to that. Yeah, And he does it again in this The kids are the strongest thing. It's it's so fun and so cute, but like I, it felt a little long, and it felt a little younger than I was expecting. Okay, but it also has which is so interesting because we were just talking about Legend of Billy Jean.

It does something slightly legend of Billy Jeanie, which we were just talking about. Why don't more? Oh, okay, all right, I will watch it when next we meet. It's cute. We have a big list that we have here.

I know there's a lot of stuff, all right, so those yeah, you had a lot of like Oscar baby stuff, right. I have eight movies left on my list. Um. Six of them are like current movies that we're attempting oscars, and the other two are just older dramas. Okay, cool, I excited to hear I have some random stuff, but I have I watched two things that I think people think are Oscar movies.

Let's hear. Oh I watched she said, yeah, which I did not U tell me about. She said, I thought it was fine. I thought it was I think people So you know that thing where you like see a movie and you're like, oh okay, and then you see that people are like really into it, and it's kind of like, oh, I don't get that right. So that's what happened here.

I don't really get it. It felt maybe it's because I was so you know what it probably is, So it's the Harvey Weinstein stuff, right if for anybody that doesn't know what it's about. I was really entrenched as all that stuff was coming out, Like I every day, I was reading huge articles about all the new stuff. So like to say that I had my finger on the pulse of that situation, I think an understatement. I wonder if having all that knowledge going in just made this feel really unnecessary to me see And that's I have not seen it.

I have really no interest in seeing it, just because it feels like a kind of for me sort of that like I read a lot of what was going on, not every every inch of it, but it's one of those things of like what more do I need to know about this? That is like especially now when it's like, oh, great, we caught one bad guy, but what else came of that? Us It feels almost like the weird time for this movie to exist. Also, like if this movie came out in ten years, it would make sense, thank you. I just don't know that there was any there was So I read read all the news as it was coming out, and now no real time has passed.

Ye that's what five years? Yeah, look back reflectively at us. Yeah, it's not that any you can say, oh, well things have changed, like no measures were put in place to change things. Realistically, we can't tell anything yet and we know in ten years we're going to hear a whole lot more horror stories. And you know, and again, like think of half the people that came out as being exposed during me too, who are still hosting shows, working active.

I mean, come on, like it yeah, so I and I don't know, like I guess my question is it a good journalism story? Is it interesting as a film in that regard? Not really because for me, as far as modern journalism stories go, like Spotlight is for me. But number one, I found that movie to be really effective in like compelling and shit. And even though I knew who was going to come forward and who they were getting statements, like, I didn't really know the timeline of it.

And she said so like there was an opportunity to like dazzle me with the behind the scenes stuff because I wasn't privy to that necessarily to like the breaking of the story. And I didn't feel particularly compelled by any of that, but um, what's her face's performance? And it was so good, thank you? I could not think of her now. She's amazing.

And there was that scene going around of her like yelling at some guy in a bar. I've seen. I've seen that scene and honestly that might have been my favorite part. Yeah, because like you have, I think this is a tough line to toe when you're doing one of those journalism type style expose movies, Like you don't want too much of like the person yes, too much of the journalists personality, but like you want some you want to like care a little bit about how this impacted their life or like, because they are the conduit to the story, right, And I just didn't feel like that was there for me, And she said, I think it was there for other people, but like, oh interesting, m oh. And then the other one was tar and I don't know if you want, I haven't yet.

We're it's on our list because it's on Peacock now, so I and it's one that I think Brandon has interested. So now we just have to carve out two and a half hours. It is long, Yes, two and a half hours sounds right. I thought it went by really fast. I enjoyed it.

I wasn't like, I wasn't like blown away. I was removed by it, but like, I got it. And I think that this six that successfully did some stuff that she said couldn't seem to do. Not to compare the two, because I don't think they're comparable, right, but like, but both have a there's a I guess, for lack of a better word, a me too storyline, right, yeah, And I think that one of them lived in our world in a really interesting way, and one of them kind of just felt like a recap. But I liked tarn I think there's this interesting reading about it being like a secret ghost story and I don't.

I don't think it is it is, but like it's fun to watch it with that in your head. Nice. Nice, Okay, I'll do so let me start with the non Oscar movies. Okay, So I watched Godspell for the first time, which I'd never seen before. Godspell is nineteen seventy three.

It's a musical. I was a Jesus Christ Superstar musical kid, not a Godspell musical kid. So the most I know about Godspell is singing day by day from the Went On American Summer. But Brandon had the desk and he wanted to watch it, and we sit down and watch it, and for like the first half hour, I was really hoping that like a meteor would come and kill everybody on screen, because it was very like I was a theater kid, kind of like I wasn't really an actor, but I was involved in theater a lot. So but that means I understand when people talk about theater kids with disdain, and God's Fell feels very theater kitty.

But then it kind of like, as it kept going, I got into it. So it is the musical it is. There's no conflict in it is. It's Jesus, but it's like the happy Jesus as opposed to like My Jesus, which is Jesus great superstar getting lashed. Um so it's I don't know, if we've never seen it.

It's a fun musical. It's very uh kitchy, it's it's you know, got style to it. But um yeah, it's a it's there in the end. I enjoyed it, but it took me a little bit of time. Yeah, I don't know if that's I can't say it is it is up for you?

I will say, Um, I'm watching it and I'm like really distracted because I'm looking at I'm like, this act I know this face, who is this woman? And it's really hard to look up the cast because none of them have names in the movie. And I look. I pull up IMDb and there's Victor Garber, but everybody else doesn't have a headshot on IMDb because they're all funeral actors. And I like almost give up, and I finally look at one more and I'm like, oh my god, of course she was the good nun and silent and deadly night.

That's so funny. I know who knew there was a connection. Who knew? And now I know? And now you do too.

Um, let's see okay another again. So now I'm into the Oscar um Oscar hopeful. This one's from a few years ago, the Lost City of z or Ze. If you're an American, I don't think Robert Pattinson and Hunan and Sannah Miller. I've meant to.

I've had interest in watching it, but could never pull the trigger. Um is it it? I think it is. I will say, this is a movie, so it is about I think it is kind of playing with the details of the man. It kind of is probably making him a little bit more of a good person than in reality he probably was.

But it's a kind of amateur explorer in the early twentieth century who ends up going to the Amazon and like with the global in order to make a map basically, and he ends up like getting him and his group get lost a bit and discover what he thinks is proof that there was a great civilization in this region of the Amazon. So he comes home and begs to get sent back, and get sent back, but then he still can't find it, and so on and so him, and it kind of covers like forty years of him trying to get back there, and like on paper, it's a lot of things that are not for me. Where it's for me is that I I like explorer stories, which is one of those history things that always interested me, And this is a movie that like kind of as it ended, I realized like, oh no, this was good.

Like it's one of those movies that could have been made much more traditionally and much more grand and made it very easy to have been an Oscar movie. But it's making much more interesting and subtle choices about a lot of things to where it's quieter and less big and less kind of bombastic and less arc typal I guess, and more specific to these people. And that makes it really work. And the end has a really good ending. A lot of random people show up to that You're like, oh, that person, that person.

So it is a recommends. It's a little bit long, but it's a good like you can break it up a little bit, So I recommend it. It's on Amazon, I'll watch it. Yeah, you should do it. Yeah, I thought I've been thinking about it.

Yeah, this type of like real life like it either works or it doesn't work. These like biopics, life of real life, retellings of history. They're either like, oh my gosh, why did I wait to watch that? Or like, oh that really wasn't So it's it's tough. I feel like as I'm getting older, I'm I struggle to bust out and look at things that maybe I wouldn't have looked at.

Yeah, and this I can't remember even why I decided to watch it, because it was one I think I must have heard enough random people really speak up for it. Yeah, to where I had seen it was on Amazon Prime, and I'm like, oh, let me thrown on my list if maybe maybe i'll it'll the mood will hit me one day. And it was kind of when I just didn't for like random reasons, didn't want to watch horror because I couldn't write about it extendemic computer. So I'm like, let me find something else that, Like, I'm interested in watching the movie of, but that isn't in my you know, general genre. And I would say, like, as much as I'm saying it is a historical movie and based on some real people, it to me didn't feel so much like it was trying to tell this guy's story.

Yeah, he felt like it was trying to tell a story about the way people thought about about the you know, about South America and the way there's an interesting thing where your lead character is fairly open minded about not white culture. Like he's saying, like, no, I have proof that there was that there is a civilization there way before our time that we did not know. There's a writing down there, there is artistry, there is crafts down there, and so he's very open minded about this. But yet and he's married Sannah Millers' wife, and like she's very like for a woman of the time, is very kind of independent and like does a lot of things like that, but also like she's like, let me come with you, and he's like no, Like there's still that where he's still a man of his time.

Like it's not painting everything with this hero brush, Like there's just nuances to it. Like Robert Pattinson is like in a role that you're like, why did he take this role? It's a supporting role at a time where he didn't. It's like that whole thing like both him and Daniel Racliffe did this of like I just want to act in things that I find interesting, and like you're watching this and like today you're almost distracted by the fact that it's You're like waiting for him to do something huge and he doesn't, Like he's just a supporting character there, but he's making you can see him making choices. It's like, I don't know, there's a lot of nuance to this that made it more interesting than I think it is on paper.

M interesting, Yeah, goold recommend Yeah, well you know, I try. Let's see, I got a few more you want to throw one at me? Uh? I watched that movie Plane you know that movie. Yeah, it's a movie about plane.

Yeah it is, Yeah, it is. It is about a plane. Gerard Butler and then uh, Mike Coulter is his things a very hot guy. I just oh, and for me, he's he's Luke Cage. And our joke when we would watch Luke Cage is that.

Like something I liked about that show was that the show acknowledged how fucking handsome he was, so like characters were constantly looking at him and like getting lost in his eyes or like randomly like saying like, wow, you're really tall. And so our joke whenever time we watched that, when like he would go anywhere, somebody would just be like, oh my god, you're handsome. So every time I see him, I'm like, well, oh he's handsome. It's true, And I think to act differently would be to a bridge too far. I can't agree agree.

I mean, in real life, if you bumped into this man, you would not say like, dude, get on my way. You'd say, oh, oh, I'm sorry, thank you for touching me. He's He's very fun to watch in my opinion. Um, So, Plane is a movie that came out this year and that people seem to really like, which was apparently very surprising. But um, I too enjoyed it.

It's a it's an action E movie about a plane crashes, say, but it's um Also Tony Goldwin, isn't it And Tony Goldwin is now my most watched actor of the year. Nice. Um, But I thought it was great. If you're interested in anything even remotely action E. This does.

It's fun, it's it's zippy, it's interesting, it does interesting things. It's the best case scenario for a movie of this ILK that there may be a time, like in a year or two, like it's one of those like I'm look at those those days where you're like, it's I was funny. I was talking to my friend about this, about Fast and the Furious and how I feel like that's what everybody says that series is and it's never been that for me. But like, I like a dumb action movie, but I want it to understand exactly that it is a dum action movie. And it sounds like this movie gets it.

This movie understands what it is for sure. It definitely is. It's not trying to present like this is. It's a good verse of this and I think it's content to be that and I like that about it. Apparently they greenlit a sequel too, which I'm not mad at.

Why not? But the plane crash shit in this is like chilling. Would you like a plane crash for that reason alone? Like it's okay, Like if you're in it for a plane crash, then you're gonna get what you are. Let's do it.

I feel like I need to watch that movie on a plane, Like the next time I take a plane drop, I'm going to watch plane just to piss off a person staying next to me. For sure. It's it's disturbing. Nice all right? Another okay, similar a movie that I think everybody did, Like I think everybody who was seeing this movie likes it, and you, I know, liked it.

And I finally watched rrr. Oh yeah it's good. But it's just a fucking joy. Yeah, it's so. I It was one that I was like, you had said, like you can break it up, and I was planning on that.

I watched an hour at the jam and I'm like, okay, I'll finish it later, and then like I get home, I put my laundry away, I'm like, well, I got two hours. Let me watch the rest of our RR because it's so much fun. This is what I'm saying, can break it up, but it doesn't feel so long that you need to break it up, which is saying something about the fucking run time of that movie. Yeah, and again I know that I often complain about run times of movies. It is not that I think movies shouldn't be long.

It's that movies should never be longer than they should be, plain and simple. And r R R is three hours and it deserves every minute of that. Then you know I could have taken another out off. Yes, if you're if you're doing an hour and forty five minutes worth of stuff and you want to try to convince me it's worth my two and a half hours of time, No, yeah, I agreed, completely stop it. But but yeah, this was three hours worth of content.

It's just entertaining from beginning to end. My gosh, that man is handsome, that they're both they're both beautiful, man, but it's too much. That movie is somehow simultaneously very wholesome and extremely horny, so sexy and guy sexy movie without having any sex in it whatsoever. Um, it is just the energy of these men who you know are physically incredibly fit. Um, but also like just the I know there was like recent talk of like you know, there's been a lot of talk of like, oh, who's the next James Bond.

You're like, why isn't that that guy? In what world? Guy? Like he looks at you and you would take your clothes off? Come on, make it that guy.

It's it's it's interesting. Well, I think we call that a racism fair, Yes, I believe we can't. We can't are one of the r stands for it that people that maybe for for for white folks in this country, that maybe people that look a little different or from a different place are also valuable and hot and hot, like we can we can use them for their hotness, like please exploit them the right way, like come on, like, yes, let's let's all the hot people come on over to America and they did make movies or not or stay stay where you are and make movies. That then then I can easily see sure. I think that was part of the real excitement for me about this movie is that it suddenly became so accessible to us.

I know that everything is accessible if you look for it. Or rent it or legally download it. You can, you can get this stuff. But this was like packaged with a bow and presented to this country. And I really think that that it should not be that rare.

You should be getting a couple movies a year from other countries that people are just like, this is an explosive film from I don't know, Korea, this is an explosive film from Japan, and like here you go have this and enjoy it. But we don't really look outside of this country for anything. Yeah, I think it's gotten a little better. It's hard to say too, because you and I are in different bubbles than other people. So you know, we you know, we have friends that it's all our years ago at festivals and everything.

Um, but I think again, like not to always go to the Oscars. But we have several movies now with subtitles that are in Oscars or in Oscar consideration. Then that helps. Every little bit helps, I guess. So let's say, oh, along the Oscars.

So my next four are all Oscar nominees. I don't know what you've got left, not much, okay, so hit it all right. So I'll start with the front Runner, which very likely will so far is looking good for winning Best Picture. I finally buy Netflix disc watched everything everywhere all at once. Oh well, I'm curious to hear what you thought.

So it's hard to It's a movie that obviously was hard to go in blind because by the point I watched it, it had thirteen Oscar nominations and and I had heard a lot, so I knew a lot of what it was about. And I will say what I've found with this movie. Really enjoyed watching it, really like found it like it was funny. It did did think a lot of things that were not surprising to me because it was impossible not to know that we're happening. And it ended, and I was like, oh that was good.

Like I'm happy a movie like that is has done so well and is probably gonna win Oscars, because I think that's great. I think it's fresh, I think it's new. It's clearly so new. Was it the greatest movie? Yeah?

No, you know so um and like, but what I have found is, since I have watched it, and it's probably been about two weeks now, I really do keep thinking about different aspects of very specifically of those three characters that I keep finding really emotionally wrenching and satisfying and all different directions of that where and we've talked I think a little bit before about like movies that are about depression. I am somebody who might Personally I do not suffer from depression, thankfully, but I have many people in my life very close to me who do. And when I see movies that kind of deal with it, especially when they're doing it and kind of you know, different metaphorical ways that for me are a little bit easier to grasp onto something there.

It's just something that then I'm able to kind of see in different ways. I see like, okay, I and I think that movie does something really interesting where you have a family of three who are all on very different parts of kind of that state of mind that you have a daughter who is just at the end of life sucks, a mother who and in that case being just from being so young and feeling this, a mother who just feels like life sucks because most of her life has sucked. And a husband who's just like I like my life, I love my family. I'm here for you, but I but what can I do? And I just find all three of those really in different ways.

I thought that movie, those performances kind of brought things out that really really touched me. So yeah, like now the more I'm thinking back on it, the more it has really grown in me as as something very wonderful. I love that. I'm glad that that happened for you. I did not experience, but it's fine.

I mean, I don't need to experience things with everything, but um, I think that it's great that you got something out of it. And for sure I saw those things were definitely there and and it's probably the things I liked the most of it. Yeah, it'll be a very cool Oscar winner, so that's good too. Another so another one that's also at this point that I'm a big like Oscar predictor, so I'll you know, this will change a lot by the time the Oscars roll around, but at this point I'm predicting just a best screenplay. When for the benches of Anson, this is on my list, I don't I very much want to see this.

I am a fan of the package that's being presented. I love I like everybody in it, I like everybody working on it. I've liked everything that everybody's done, so I'm in and I won't say too much. I will say I loved it. I really did.

Everybody in it is like at their best, Like you have seen good performances from all of those actors, and this is like the best you've seen them do. It is very funny. It for me like Martin McDonough I used to back in college, like I was a big fan of his player of his plays that he was a playwright originally, and this feels very much like those. It feels like and he had written like a lot of like Irish set plays, but even like the sense of humor is very like, oh, this is the Martin mcdonna know that, Like I was drawn to twenty years ago I loved in Bruges, I didn't like and the further I got away from it, the more I didn't like Three Billboards. So I didn't know what I would get with this one.

But it is really good. And again it's like it's telling a story. It's it is very not like, oh, it's identifiable, but like it's telling a story you have not seen told before. Um. But yet it's a very human story and very grounded and very funny, very very darkly funny.

But it's it's a winner. It's good. I can't wait to watch it. All right, I got two left. Um I have I have stuff I don't care about and don't want to talk about.

But I I did watch The Poseidon Adventure for the first time, the original. Yeah, and it's amazing. It's like amazing. Oh, Shelley Winter is my hero, so it's my goddess. Yeah.

I'd only seen it for the first time a few years ago. Did not grow up with it. Yeah, but man, it's good, right, it's it's phenomenal top to bottom, really great, really upsetting yep, like for for the time, the fact that they were able to still visually represent such upsetting scenarios so effectively. Still now, I'm like, no, absolutely, why are you wanna Why are you gonna ship everybody? Get out of the water?

Um, it just the story it tells. I don't know, I don't know. This is how you make a fucking disaster movie. Why do we not get it? Like the blueprint exists, my friends, and it's the Poseidon Adventure, Like it's the where it starts, Like it's just like boom, we're on the boat.

I don't need to see people loading up luggage, saying goodbye on the no, just fucking start on the gety boom. Yeah, and have them dressed well, like I want a disaster movie where women are wearing beautiful dresses and it's just and it was very much of that time, so it was very like like hippie and counter culture on top of this like patriarchal idea, like it's just so in Earnest boor nine fucking chewing shit. Oh god, yes, I can't. I can't say enough good things. I feel like such a hack talking about a movie from like decades ago, seventy two.

I think when you when you can discover quote unquote a movie that like you think you've seen, um, like just a movie that is in the public consciousness, right and you sit down in your And that was me for Casablanca a few months ago. I've never seen Casablanca. I've seen the bids, I knew the lines, I knew the story. Whatever. Fine, yeah, okay, fine, let's sit down and watch it.

Holy shit, I get it. There's a reason this movie is ninety years old and is still something that we think about and then we've internalized, because a great movie is a great movie for a reason and preside an Avenger is like that, Like it's so exciting when you can sit down and watch it and say, like, man, I missed this for thirty years, but it's great because now I have another, like ideally fifty years to have this movie in my life. Yeah. And I couldn't help but notice some like really like negative takes on it. But and I yeah, when I write things on letterbox, I like to scroll through and kind of see like what the top like top comments are and what the general discussion is, especially about something fifty years old.

Now, what is the complaint? I mean, I do wish the one the kid died. I hate the kid, but I I the complaint was that the complaint that I consistently saw was that people didn't didn't didn't like the characters, didn't get the characters, and they thought the character arcs were either not fulfilling or non existent, which I couldn't agree with. I disagree with more. But another thing was they didn't appreciate the way that Shelley Winter's character was treated, which I guess I get, but like I get, I saw, well, she wasn't even fat, and I think you're missing the point that's your takeaway, and I get it.

But also, this was seventy two and she's not fat. But we're trying to tell a story with the type of character that we saw this woman as. And I think that her arc which is was honestly like goosebump and doah. She's just like begging, like let me do this. I know I can do this, and it was It shook me to my core.

And I wonder, as women who maybe don't present as the most capable like us, maybe if that resonated with us maybe a little bit more than some other people. Yeah, I am trying to remember because I don't remember too much about the details of like how she's treated. I I mean, look, I'm a heavy woman and I've been heavy my whole life, so any movie I am both used to a character that is over a size three being treated as fat and like have this similar to you. We're like, look, we've we grew up in a decade that was even worse for that in some ways than the seventies, and you like there's a difference I guess between Like I don't know, because it happens with a lot of movies, right, like that whole oh, we go back and we look at the Goonies and like, man, they really want meant Chunk, Like yeah, like and that's one that like I felt that when I was a kid, I love the Goonies, Like I'm one of those kids that like that was my like Monster Squad was the Goonies.

But at the same time, I always remember as a kid being like, I don't I don't like that they're so mean to Chunk, Like I don't like that they call him chunk. Like I got that as a kid that this was fucked up. If I watched Beside an Adventure in the seventies, I probably would have also been like, oh, stop being mean to Shelley Winter. It's like in the movie, I don't think is saying that, you know exactly, And I think as I did just watch it, like I watched it like three or four days ago, but what seeing those comments where it was confusing to me because I felt like a lot of that stuff was coming directly from that character. Like at one point they need to crawl through like an escape hatchy thing, an escape hatch where you could literally probably fit three people at the same time through, and Shelley Winters is like I'm not going to fit through there, like of course you are.

But to me that was like a self reflective kind of thing of maybe society has treated me this way and now I don't have a clear vision of my capabilities or age, my age, my gender, my station in life. I am now reduced to this useless blob and I and I'm embodying that. And I know that she doesn't have the best outcome. It's a disaster movie, so that's not a spoiler, but like what she gives the film, it's like a redemption to herself, like she proves to herself that she has value. And I think what's interesting about like this disaster movie is supposed to maybe other more modern ones, that people's sacrifices don't matter when there's not a reason for them.

And for everyone's sacrifice in this film, there's a tangible way that it helps. There's a tangible thing that couldn't be done if that person hadn't sacrificed themselves. So it feels less modeling and less like like everybody's dying, but like people were really Yes, well end a great example of if you if you're like did I love posiding to venture as much as I thought. I did watch the two thousand and six remake because and you did I know recently it is fascinating how much this movie, which is following the same template, goes in the other direction. And just the primary thing it doesn't get is that we need to and again when we like, we've talked a lot I think today about like investing in characters, and sometimes that's about them being good people, and sometimes it's about them being charismatic and like whatever it is.

But how that movie is so toned off about understanding what it might take you to get an audience on their side, because the characters in that movie are awful human beings who don't help each other. It is a weirdly in two thousand and six, immediately all of the people of color die first, Like everything about it is just you sit there like with your jaw hanging open and say, like, how did they do this more politically correct in the staffing days? It's it's strange. Definitely the remake. It's I would like to watch the remake again, not really because I didn't like it, but now have just with that context.

Yeah, yeah, because it really does make it even more strange that it doesn't work because you had it right right, but there it could have looked at it. I watched I didn't talk about it, but it's kind of a similar idea. I watched The Hitcher and The Hitcher and this Last little Bit of Time. I am a huge fan of the remake. I think it is phenomenal and I think it really captures something about the original without redoing it.

And those are my favorite types of remakes, where you understand what worked and what the original was saying, and then you recontextualized it or literally just updated it for our modern times. It's similar to me with film adaptations of novels. It is you do not have to tell me the same story that was in the book. You don't even have to have the same ending. What you need or what I think you should need if you are going to adapt a book, respectfully, it has nothing to do with plot.

It is all about the essence, the sporadic story spirit. Yeah, what if this was a book about rant? You know, I just read the short story of Brokeback Mountain. It's it's twenty pages long, and okay, how do you make a movie of this? Like?

Well, no, no, like you because fundamental it is telling the story of these two men and all of that, and like the details don't matter. You can you know, color blindcasting all of this, Like none of that matters. You can do whatever the fuck you want too material, but you just have to understand why it worked in that other format, right, So why did this work in the seventies? It wasn't big boat. It was big boat with you being really invested in these people whether they're going to make it out or not.

Yeah. Yeah, And that's that frustrates me quite a bit. And I think that the Side Adventure is a great example of that. Like you could have just taken the same plight and just done it with more modern characters and sensibilities, but the same spirit should have been present, and I don't think it just was there. Like the fact that there is no Shelly Winter's character, and what does that mean.

I'm not saying, oh, the fact that there is no like middle aged, larger woman who gets to save the day, like exactly, that's not what I need. But I need somebody that doesn't fit the action hero mold to be there, to be this sort of vessel that you can kind of see yourself in more and no, like who serves that role? Kurt Russell, Like how does that make sense? You need like a like an unexpected hero or that that kind of like I have a special set of skills attitude like I'm the only one that can do this, and that makes it feel very like faded and like like like some there's a bigger plan which is exciting, like oh, I don't know, I got so thrilled watching this movie and it was yeah, it was like why why aren't more things like that?

It's a good like oh yeah, no, it's it's like one of those experiences like I'm so glad I finally watched it. I'm glad you finally did too, because you get it and you understand why it really did change filmmaking, like the way Jaws did, the way The Exorcists did, the way like Textatures a Masker did, Like there are movies that get something right like Titanic did, like where it's like, oh, oh now everything's got to be psided indventure. Nothing is going to be beside indventure. We're gonna try a lot of things that aren't gonna work. But you understand why it would create a whole genre because it was so good and anybody can watch it is gonna get invested in it.

Yeah, all right, So still along the kind of populist action side. I watched a movie that I wasn't really planning on watching, and then Brian's like, I'm gonna watch this movie or do you want to? I'm like, you know, I'm sitting down, I'm not doing anything. Sure if I don't, if I'm not that into it, in twenty minutes, I'll turn my computer on and start doing some other stuff. And I did, And I was disappointed that I had to, because I was really hoping i'd really really like Black Panther Wakanda Forever.

Oh so I know I've spoken before. I'm not. I'm kind of off the train that it's going to keep going. That's fine. People like the movies.

It employs a lot of people. Great, Sure I want. I liked the first Black Panther. I thought it was important. I thought it was beautiful, ith you know, it just as a movement.

I was very excited for it. I was interested in watching the next one. After this makes me sound terrible. I probably would not have even bothered watching it. If Chad Mick Boseman was still alive and was just, Oh, here's the next Black Panther.

But when he died and it was oh, the movie has to basically do something new now, right, this has to be a movie about something bigger and deeper than it just being another Marvel action movie. And had it just been that, had it just been a movie about what Wakanda does when their leader dies, and the morning period and all of that. I was into all that stuff. That stuff was cool, That stuff was was touching and beautiful. And then there's also like a villain who I didn't understand, who lives underwater.

And I don't know. White people are bad. I won't say white people, it's they like the governments are bad, but it doesn't I don't really understand what's going on, and I do. It's okay, it's over now. I was still um no, no, it was still probably better than a lot of these other movies like this.

Um the A lot of the actors are so good. Like I tell you, I was like fading, and then Lepete and Nyongo showed up and I didn't know she was actually in this. For some reason, I thought she wasn't coming back for it, but she comes back, and I'm like, oh, thank goodness, because now I like, just give this movie to her, like she can she can hold it. She's great, she's amazing. Um the like I'm excited to see Angela Bassett wearing those gowns and giving those speeches.

She's incredible. Like that's a movie right there. Yeah. But then there's action scenes that felt and again I say this, like take it with a grain of salt, because I am I have felt this way the last few movies that I haven't really sat down and watched. I've sat down and while Brandon was watching them and kind of eybawled them a little bit and said, yeah, that's what it looks like.

That's what they're looked like. And that's how I felt about this, Like the action didn't look good to me, the actors like Machine did, didn't I gra. I think she's so good when she is talking, she's so funny, she has such a presence. She can I want like give her a superhero movie. I say that, and then I'm like, except when she had to fight and it just looked stupid.

And it's not her fault, it's that it just looks stupid. Everything is fucking cgi. Obviously we know it is, but it's just boring to me. So yeah, like I don't know. I didn't the villain, like the actor was fine, but I did not understand.

Again, I wasn't paying that much attention. So some of this is on me, But I didn't fully get the conflict because it was very clear that it's like, oh but he's not bad, like he's right about what he's doing. It's just conflicting with what the Wakandans are doing. So I'm on both of their side, but now they have to fight each other and I don't really want to like it just it's so for me. The farther I've gotten away from it, the more I've disliked it.

Um, while watching it, I probably chuckled here and there. I certainly was like ooh costumes, like ooh, hats, Like give me more hats. You know, I love a good hat, angela basset and fucking wear a hat. Uh, but ah, it's just yeah, it's fine. I've officially fallen off.

I don't read them at all. Yeah, yeah, I'm even the series that like. And again, for me, the breaking point was kind of that one division couldn't just end because one division I loved. I didn't like the last episode or the chunk of it that was just flying um, but I thought it was a beautiful ending and a beautiful like, oh, that's so satisfying and rich and raw and telling something I haven't seen that you don't have to tell in a story like this. And then it's like one division, we'll be back and doctor Strange, what's but not the whole?

But why eh? So it's you know, it's just not for me, and I I think I know that now. So this is my final straw that'sn't Yeah. I think I got there for sure, and I think that some of us are maybe getting there. And it's not to say that it'll never come back around, sure, just never really wording that.

Right now, I have one more movie? Um, what else do you have? I don't think that's it. Everything else is not worth talking about, friend, Okay, so this movie is also not worth talking about, but I can't not talk about it. This was my root Canal movie.

So I got my Root Canale. I came home. I was like it in pretty bad pain, but also like couldn't sleep but wasn't tired and blth blah blah, so like, all right, seems as good a time as any, because I believe this was also Oscar. This was the day of the denominations came out. So I had decided, I'm like, this year, I'm gonna try it.

I'm gonna try to see as many movies as I can, and also like the different categories. I like to have a little more steak in, like like the best actress category is the one that I usually really like. I want to see those best actress anomonies. So god damn it. That means I guess I have to watch Blonde.

Oh oh right, yeah, fuck this movie. I start watching it again, like understand, I've had a root canal, like my mouth is in pain, and I'm like, all rights, this is as good a time as any to watch it. You're already hurting. I watch it for a while, I think, like Brandon comes home from work, it's like almost, I'm like, all right, I guess I'll pause this and start dinner. And then I look at the running time.

I'm like, I have another movie left. I have only watched an hour. There is another hour forty five of this piece of shit that I have to get through. Is it really that long. It's too hours.

I think it's I think it's two forty five. I don't know why I didn't know it was that lawnging length. And I wouldn't be surprised if it started there's like a six hour movie and like, oh, I'm sorry, I misspoke. It is two hours and forty six minutes. Theres a voice it's minutes because I don't so it doesn't sound like it needed to be.

And here's the thing, I will give it there. Okay, I hated this movie, and I hated the concept of it, and I hated the attitude behind it very I will concede. There is an argument to be made that Andrew Dominic wanted to tell a horror story about Marilyn Monroe and about like the life that he sees her as having lived. This idea that this woman born to a woman with mental health issues, raised in Hollywood, forced into being a performer, forced into being a sex symbol, never having a father figure, always wanting a father figure. That's hell.

And let's make that a nightmare, and let's make it kind of surreal and expressionistic, like if he had made a ninety minute expressionistic movie where her name wasn't Marilyn right where it was about this actress and it was Marilyn Monroe, but it just wasn't Maybe she wasn't called Marilyn Monroe. Maybe in this movie, we don't have a name. And it was ninety minutes and it was the same imagery and the same kind of attitude. But over in a reasonable amount of time, I could almost stand back and say, Okay, I morally don't like what this did. I didn't enjoy the experience, but I see what he what he wanted to do, and I can see how that worked for some other people.

But you are giving me two fucking hours and forty six minutes of Marilyn Monroe. Norma Jean Baker complete, like very much. No, this is this is this woman, This is this. This is a real story, and just taking every bit of agency away from her. It is a movie about a woman constantly being raped, constantly being assaulted, and constantly being undressed and abused by every man and underested by it by every man, and never gets triumph in any way.

And oh she you know, multiple abortions, and then then here's the then has the baby. She didn't have say to her why you killed me for this life, like and I'm not kidding, this all happens in the movie. It is that bad. It is that hateful of this woman, hateful of women like I don't know what. And if you have read any interviews with him, it does this movie no favors because you get like, oh no, he really Like there was a few like very famous ones that kind of went viral because it was really like no, but like really, this is what you say, this is how you felt, Like yeah, no, he he said outright, like there's an interview the journalist is saying to him like, well, you know, like Maril and Moro was considered like everybody knew she was actually very smart and she did a lot for um civil rights, like she was active in this, she was active in that.

And he was like not no, he's like that's not the story I'm interested in. Yeah, I read. Yeah, it is as as bad as all of that. Um, I would not be surprised if everybody that voted for on into armist for actress was like, you gotta give her something for having to put through that, because that must have been fucking hell of a shoot. And like she's not bad, she's fine, she's giving it her all.

She's she's trying, she's believable, she's giving a good performance in a movie that hates her, in a movie that despises everything she is doing. Um, yeah, it is. It's pretty much like and I went in knowing some people liked it and thinking like, Okay, maybe maybe i'll see stuff here maybe and just was very quickly like oh really, oh okay, like just it. Yeah. Indeed, indeed, so I'm not at all interested.

And I think that's probably for the best. I could have been swayed. I mean, somebody else might still sway you, somebody, I guarantee. I read his own interviews about it, and it put a terrible taste in my mouth. Yeah.

And and nobody has, nobody that I trust, at least, has has given me any reason to doubt my initial feelings, you know. Yeah, And I think that's Um, it's one of those movies that I'm trying to think. I feel like there's something on here that I said that about where maybe like not like Skin and Marinue again, just as a parallel of a movie that did not work for me in any way. But I am very interested in hearing and reading the people that it did work for and why it did because there was something there for them. And with Blonde, there's a part of me that like, if if a critic or writer who I really respect write a defense of this movie, I will read it.

I am. I am like not open to going back and watching this movie again, but I am open to say exactly like, okay, like maybe there was something I didn't see, Like I'm like, I don't ever want to hate a movie. I really don't. And I feel like they're again like this movie was obviously made with passion. I'm gonna say, and I don't need a romantic passion.

This is like, you don't make a movie like this if you're not, like, if you don't care about knowing what's going to come from it. And granted you can say that know that, like and I haven't. I don't think I've seen any of his other movies. Um, And it maybe that he's somebody that likes controversy and likes, you know, with the blowback from that, but it feels like no, like you you put yourself out there, you put your poor leading actress out there knowing and because you are confident in what you're doing and it is a confident movie, like I would say that about it, like it tells you what it's doing and it goes for it. Um.

I just hated it, and like morally I hated it. I feel like it was just so hateful of like a legacy of a of a human being, but also of like women in general, Like there are no good women in this movie. Also like it's not even like Marilyn Dunroe had friends, Like I am sure she had somebody she can find it in, and like in this movie, no, like there's nobody. It's just the men that you know have sex with her, Like it's it's just it's all that. Yeah, yeah, indeed, Okay, sorry, sorry you had to deal And I didn't mean to end on that note.

I'm sorry there, Um, but yeah, I'm I'm I watched it. That's over. That's done. So still have a few more of the best actresses to get through. I can't imagine anything is going to make me as angry as Blonde, so I hope not for all of our sakes, right, Um, all right, So that's everything.

Did you have anything more? No, I've watched some unimpressive, uninteresting things are better left unspoken about. Um, so then let us announce what we are doing next time. Okay, So, like we have been talking about do you want to say, Well, let me first preface it and then I'll have you say it. So we've been talking about like just doing more different episodes, right like we you know, we we obviously enjoy picking a movie and going through it.

We like having guests, We like, you know, doing these catchups. We're like, I know, like, let's do something more creative stuff we haven't done before. So I have like a running spreadsheet and one of the things was like, let's do like take different like lists that we can do that are very specific and personal. So the first one we're gonna do, Christine, what's it going to be? It is five movies that scared us the most, not five favorite horror movies or five, but five that's specifically terrified.

And I'm hoping that we get a wide range from like everywhere from twenty years ago to two years Yeah. I know, I have to think so hard about this. I'm so excited. Immediately there was something that I love was like, oh well obviously that that that, but I'm like wait a minute, like let me, let me think more about this, and again, like we're not saying our favorite movies, like we all know, like Dawn of the Dead's my favorite movie. It didn't scare me the most.

It ain't gonna be on this list. Yep, it was a different list. It's a I think, and that makes it an interesting list because like I feel like, at least I talk about the same horror movies a lot, like Jennifer's Body, but that's not that didn't scare me when I saw it Fright Night, the Fright Night Remake twenty eleven. I believe that didn't scare me. When I so like there's there's other stuff to talk about, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's gonna be a good time.

So um yeah. And if anybody wants to like throw yours out there before or like guess what hours are going to be maybe, because so you're gonna remind me if there's something I've said, well, I think that's the scariest movie and I've forgotten it. So yes, I'm gonna crowdsource my list. You tell me, I'm gonna make a pull on Instagram. Is that a thing you can do?

I actually don't know. I think you can I know I don't use it, but yeah, tweet me what my favorite but my favorite scary movie? What scared me the most? You guys snapchat me? Is that still a thing?

People still stap people people do? Yeah? Okay, okay, Yeah, I watched some um movie. I think it might have been a bit where like a character says that like will snap me, and I'm like, wait, does of thing that people do? Like, I've never heard that they do some.

I think there are groups of people that use it more than others, and eight groups that use them more than others, And I think it might be falling out of favor. But yeah, it's hung on a lot long, Okay, expected to. So I'll see if I can find a really scary snapchat movie before our next episode, so that canda before all right, folks, until we meet next Uh that's all I got. Yeah, go watch the the side and run it the right one, the real Yeah. Yeah, okay, that was off.

There was a minute ten I need some mask for now for now, you know. But it's much harder when you're swimming underwater. It's harder when you're swimming under That was a very interesting scene. See, I like Jane Hackman. But while we were shooting that picture, every time I had an emotion O sink, he would come up and talk to me, and I figured that was kind of So when I came to that scene, you know, I thought he was trying to break my concentration and I had to cry, But probably it was just interested dame when I got mad at him.

So when I had to go through the whatever, I went through and he's caught under the debris and he's got a flashlight. I the man from Chaku Stowe said, don't worry about how long it's going to take. Just rub your nose and you're in trouble. I'll get you up to the hatch. So I took my time.

I pushed some bodies out of the way, and I looked around for him and and he looked at me like this. And I picked up the debris and I'm supposed to push him out, and you know, I'm a lifesaver juniors, and I'm supposed to go. But he did wait for that. He just went out and went up the hatch and out. When I got up there, he said, you were trying to round me.

I couldn't tonight it you don't have much of an ex but but we didn't talk to each other for about twenty years. But last year, okay, last year he did a play Death of a Maiden on rubbing