181. The Last Skype Catchup

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It's the feminine critique. I'm Emily, I'm Christine, and it's the end of an era. It really is. We have jokingly said, like we are living in two thousand and eight and have been since, you know, two thousand and eight, But we yeah, like I think you and I both kind of started in the Like movie talking about world when Skype was the way people connected everybody, many of everybody moved over to Zoom and other platforms as those kind of got more handy, But I just always use Skype because it never failed me once. It could be annoying, it would make you update eight times and not actually do anything different in an update, but every recording I have done, with the exception of an episode or two recently, I have used Skype via with call recorder was the platform I used to record, and then I put it all in the garage band.

Never once, and I say this knowing this episode is going to get lost, Never once did I lose recording episode. I mean that in and of itself is quite accomplishing. Yeah. Yeah, And guys like I'm not good at this, Like I don't have technical skills. I just look at some Internet videos and occasionally throw a question out on Twitter and people would answer, and that's how it did it.

So it really did work for someone like me for a long time. So we are sad we are not ending the podcast. We are just gonna have to move over to Zoom or something like that. But yeah, it's a sad time. I think, you know, I think that's this is a good time to say.

Actually, I do want to end the podcast because with Skype was our secret third actually this has been Skype talking the whole time there. Yeah, Christ, yeah, there's no Emily is this ai? Obviously that's why it's so great and clean and human obviously, how can it not be. Yeah, we will we will continue though, Ye yes, we will find a way to still talk about such you know, important pieces of cinema, as I'm. Sure you and I have on our list.

This week, I was just. Looking at an entry of something I watched. It is definitely cinema. Fact, that's it, all right. So we've got a mix of things.

It's always a lot of horror and then some other things. Because the Oscars happened, so I was trying to cram in and watch all the Oscar movies. I did not get to all of them. I did, and the last couple of years I've tried really hard to watch all ten Best Picture nominees. This year I got eight out of ten, so I did not get to see a complete unknown or it was, and I had to work hard for it.

I did a lot of planning and like looking at a calendar and leaning back and saying, if I don't see the brutalist on this day, I will never see the brutalist So the two I missed were I'm Still here at the Brazilian film and a complete unnn the Bob Dylan film. But yeah, so I got all the other aiden and you know what, the brutalist I was shocked. It's great. Yeah yeah, speaking of yeah, I don't doubt that it is, but they did. They used AI for the previous, right, isn't that?

So they used the what I am understanding, the AI was used in two ways. One, it was used for some accent cleanup because Adrian Brodi implicity Jones are not native Hungarian speakers and they're speaking in Hungarian and so it was used to just do what sounds like what normally would be done by editing. Uh. And then there were some visuals which it is I I am torn because it is ironic that like a movie about very much like vision would use AI for vision. Well, that's exactly what Megalopolis did, which is all about building the future in a man with a incomprehensible vision.

And then it was like, how may I do that? Yes, and there isn't an aspect of the brutalist that also I can like lean back and look at the other side of it and say, well, but the point, like I don't want to get something away, but the point of that movie very much is like the destination, Like the journey is to get to the destination. So to get to this piece of work that is the main goal. So whatever you have to do there to get to it is part of that process. So there's I don't know, like it was.

I went to see the movie, and as I was coming home, I think as like the first thing I did was pull up my phone to start looking because I loved it. I really was shocked by how much I loved it. And the first thing I saw I was like brutalist in AI controversy. I'm like, oh, motherfucker, come on, can I have anything nice? So it's not as like awful as I think we've seen in some cases, but it still was always like a chip on the shoulder of a movie that otherwise is genuinely brilliant.

Yeah. I think that's everybody's individual kind of thing to figure out, too, Like there is an argument to be made about people trying to figure out how to use an emerging technology and people viewing it like no different than they did early CG. Or sound to even or color. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't. View it that way, so I don't fully relate to that impulse, but like, at a point, I can't be angry at the average person for being like, well, they're just using a tool, but anybody would should.

Use it for me very much watching that movie, which I mean it's a three and a half hour movie that it looks it is long, and it is a stunning It is a stunning experience. The music is amazing, the visuals are gorgeous and like jaw dropping, and the first thing I thought after seeing that was, how the fuck did they do this in ten million dollars? And I mean, now you know, like and it's it is a dangerous thing, like I am as I really do think of the movies. For me, it was the best film of the year. But also I don't feel great saying that, knowing if in five years suddenly a lot of editors are out of jobs because of this kind of thing, Like I'm not going to forgive the brutalist, you know.

So it's it's that kind of fuzzy of nothing can never be as fulfilling as you want it to be. Yeah, well it well do you I. Didn't watch any Oscar movies, and that's that's a guarantee. So I don't even know what they are again guarantee. Do you have any others?

I know that you've you talked about some of them the last time we talked. Do you have any others? A few more than I did end up watching. So I watched Dune Part two, Dune Part two fucking great, another another one I because I didn't love Dune. I thought Dune was fine.

I had read the book kind of as I was watching it, so I at least could understand stuff. And I just felt, I'm like that this is this is as good as you're gonna make a do movie, Like it looks great, it's well cast, the decisions are great, that the score of Dune is incredible, and I've been hearing it figure skating all week. But Doune too, I had heard better things about. I'm like, all right, well it's nominated, let me watch it. And I just I was shocked by how entertained I was.

It It just now that you have like the old established and that part of Dune moves better like even the book. The first half of Dune is just set up an explanation and then you get to the actual story. So Dune two is a better kind of property anyway, but I was glued. I watched it, and I thought I am seeing the third one in the theater because I watched this one at home. This was a movie that I really felt like, Oh, this is a movie with a capitol m like, this is why we have theaters, and it's gorgeous and I'm into it and yep, so I love Dune June.

I was apprised. Yeah, I liked the first one more than I expected to. And I just haven't watched the second one. I don't know. I think you will really dig it eventually, I will, and I'll probably like, yeah, I did watch Best Picture Winner Anora Ah.

I have so many fucking opinions about a bunch of movies. I didn't. Oh, how did you not say I want you to see this because I really want to know your opinions on this movie. I I we all have our own rules. That's just the way I'm going to start every conversation.

I have trouble with sex workers stories. I have trouble when they're not told by sex workers. I have trouble when they're not I have trouble when they're told by somebody who maybe I've had trouble with their vision in the past, and I've heard different ends of the spectrum. So like people have said, this is completely innocuous and fine and there's no stuff in it that would make you bristle Christine, and I've been like, rad, that's cool, I love your opinion. But I've also heard that there is a lot of physical violence against people in this that perpetuate the feelings of violence against sex workers.

And I've also been told that I'm wrong and that's not in the movie. So one would say, Christine, just watched the movie. But I've now determined and that there's so many wildly differing interpretations of this thing that I don't even want to touch it. Like all I because I don't remember acts of violence that would feel acts of violence towards sex workers. There's the violence is not in any way.

There's no sexual violence in the movie. And where there is violence, it is not aimed at women. It's very much a I mean, it's it's almost farcical and how it's sort of like if they're if people are talking about what I'm thinking it is not does not feel like it is a in any way about sex work. Tying that together, I think it is more there are more conversations or thoughts in there about how people look at sex workers, certainly, but even that aspect of it I think is very much kind of like filtered through a particular point of view and type of character that doesn't feel like it's society or anything like that. So I don't know.

I liked it, it was fine. I didn't have huge feelings one way or another. I think Mikey Madison is fantastic in it. I wondered watching it. I'm like, I don't, I don't know.

I feel that way often when if I watch a movie involving sex work where I don't know, sometimes I can tell this is fucked up, and sometimes I'm like, I think this is a really positive, uh, you know, way of looking at it. With this one, I really don't know, so I wouldn't. I'm like not to be the voice to be like, you gotta see it for yourself, but I think in this case, like I don't think it's and like not like it's fair to the movie. You don't need to be fair of this movie. One like seven Oscars you're okay, but I do think it's hard, Like the only way you're gonna come up with anything is to actually watch it and decide where you fall.

But yeah, and I forgot as as you were talking about, I feel like I did kind of land on the Okay. Well, I guess I need to actually see this to really determine. But there is, in my opinion, of a very credible recounting of this man stealing this story from a sex worker who was trying to make a series similar to this. Yeah. So, and it didn't make any news.

Why would it, because we don't listen to sex workers ever. But to me, I've looked into it and it felt very credible. The things that this person brought up, and the visuals that they were able to show to compare, and the fact that that Sean Baker did email with them and had actually seen it. So it felt like he maybe decided to take this dirty, gross sex worker story and turn it into a real Hollywood movie. That's me editorializing.

I'm editorializing, but it's hard to not feel that way when it's like, well, then why didn't you help these people already telling that story tell the story. Why did you take it from them, it makes you feel like they're makes me feel like you think they're not capable of doing it themselves, which makes me feel negatively about him. I know people really like him because he's like a champion of physical media, and that's rad. Two things can be true at the same time. He can be a champion of physical media and I can high five them for it, But I can also not watch a sex worker movie because I think he took it from sex work.

Yeah, completely valid. I'll also say at the Oscars he won, he I think he would like he actually walked away with the Oscars with four in his hand. He was the third Oscar when he said, and I also want to thank my mom. It's her birthday today. I'm sitting there thinking, like, dude, you were on stage two times before, there was no guarantee that you were going to keep winning.

You almost forgot to wish happy birthday to your mother me. So that for me it was like, dude, you know, made me question him. But the only other current Oscar nominated movie, I think that was on the list, and I'll go over some older ones. I watch this was nominated for Best Costume, and I watched it on a plane, as I'm sure Ridley Scott intended. Did you watch Gladiator two?

No? I didn't. Oh god, I kind of wish you did. It's terrible. Oh I was I am watching this thinking like, okay, what The main thing watching it that bothered me was realizing did nobody tell Ridley Scott that Spartacus did this really well for four seasons?

And he could have just watched Spartacus because this is just like Spartacus as a TV fourteen and it's it's so the biggest problem with the movie. And I like him as an actor, I liked him in other things, but Paul mescal Has does not have the Gladiator presence to carry this movie. There's a reason everybody talks about Denzel in this movie because I mean, it's Denzel Washington. He's great, he's having fun. But it's also because like if you if you didn't have him in this movie, it would be just nothing.

It's just he doesn't have the presence to carry this movie and make it work. So I'm watching this, I'm just like, I am shocked by how bored I am with this. Oh that's such a bummer feeling. Yeah, the only reason I would have showed up is because of Donzel, like, and he's great. It also feels like the movie.

I am very confused by the politics of this movie because I guess he's supposed to be a villain, but you're like watching You're like, but he's actually no, he should be in charge, shouldn't he he'd be a better leader than any But like Paul Mescall wasn't is just the son of somebody important like Denzel was probably come in here better. So I'm like, I don't understand what I was watching. I'd understand what I was supposed to take from it. Again, just watch Spartacus. There are was it four or five seasons of hot men, lots more sex, lots more violence, so much better.

And it made me like angry watching this, thinking I guess he made this because not And if people knew Spartacus was. Great, that's that's interesting. I feel like it was like people were talking about it and then everyone stopped, and I wor, yep, that as like my cue to like, I wasn't gonna pry prioritize it because I I mean, I like Gladiator as much as like any person my age likes Gladiator. It's just always around, ubiquitous, very long, sometimes awesome to look at killing it so like yeah, sequel, sure, but like when no one's really repping it past the first like week or two, it's kind of hard to Yeah, so it I mean, at at best, it's not memorable. Like, oh, that seems like a bummer.

I'd like to hold my memories of Gladiator close. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes there's a reason why a movie doesn't get the attention after it comes out, and that was correct here. Yes, the I have like one other set of Oscar films that were not current, but something I've wanted to do for a while was I wanted to do I know, like there are people who are like, I'm gonna watch every Best Picture nominee or Best Picture winever, and I've always wanted to do that with but with best actress.

Oh that's cute. Yeah, So I'm like trying to do and I thought this would be so easy, And I even have a cheat to start it, where I'm like, Okay, i'm gonna pick a random year, I'm gonna jump around so it doesn't get too repetitive, and I'm gonna watch like with like over the course of maybe a month or like two months, like all the all the Best Actress nominated movies, and I picked nineteen fifty because I'm like, great, there's only four because All About Eve has two actual actress nominees, and I still haven't gotten to watch all four movies. So I watched three out of four, which one I had seen before. But that is the year of All About Eve, which is the one I have not gotten to revisit yet. Born Yesterday, Sunset Boulevard and Caged Have you must have seen Sunset Boulevard.

Yeah, it's been it is. It's been a minute though, Like it was like one of those movies that I watched when I first when I decided I was gonna start like really seriously watching movies. Yeah, and now at this point, like that was like twenty years ago, I don't even remember. It's one of those movies because we got to see it on Broadway. There's a revival right now that we went to and it's fantastic.

And Brand has never been a big fan of some sept Bilevard. He just he watched it once. He didn't he didn't really like it. He didn't kind of get it. I guess, or he didn't kind of didn't get why it is considered what it is, and so we saw the Broadway production, which is really something, and afterwards he said, he's like, I think I get it now, and I'm like, hey, want to want to watch the movie because he hadn't seen it in a while, and watching it, I realized, I'm like, this is one of those movies I should watch every like five to ten years because it is so good.

There is so much there, and I think it's it's also that you have really kind of four very different characters who are going through very different things, and you can kind of watch it from different points of view each time and get something different. And one of the things that's so wild is the one of the next films I watched in this you know, set of four is Born Yesterday, which is the movie that ended up up winning Best Actress. And that is what is her name, It's jen Jennifer Jones. What's the name? I suddenly can't think of Judy Holiday, Judy Holiday.

So she actually wins that year Best Actress and it was a huge shock as you had Betty Davis and Gloria Swanson nominated, but Borne Yesterday is really fun. She's great in it. She's very funny. It's kind of a dumb blonde that isn't so dumb type role. But the really funny thing is that William Holden is also in that, playing the complete opposite of Sunset Bulevard, where he is actually like the good, open faced, like optimist who wants to change the world, whereas Sunset Boulevard it's the complete you know, dejected Hollywood you know guy in his lestraw so Borne Yesterday was fun and then the last one was Caged.

Have you ever seen Cage? Do you know anything about this movie? I don't think I know anything about it. It is a nineteen fifty women in prison movie. Huh, all right, well I'm going I'm going to look.

At Yeah, it's I did not know this was a thing. Agnes Warred so in it. Yeah, she's the warden and this is good. It's a young woman. It kind of just you know, I think it was very much supposed to be about the prison system and how terrible it is and how it's you know, not doing anything to rehabilitate and instead you come in and go out worse than you came in.

Gee, you know, glad we fixed that problem. And it's so it's this like young woman who's very innocent who comes in and it's the that actress is the one who's nominated. Uh, and it's it's good. It's very like it's one of those movies made during Hayze code. But you could see how they're poking around the Hayese code a lot.

So it's it's worth a watch relevant now in different ways. It is. You know, to see prison in nineteen fifty is something. So, yeah, it looks interesting. Yeah, that's a fun little project.

I'll keep you updated as I slow think continue to do it. I should get motivated to do something like that instead. Do you want me to talk about all the erotic thrillers I've been watching? I do? Yeah, that's what I do instead.

I don't know if I have talked yet about the film. Never talked to strangers. Oh, I think you did. This is the one that sounded amazing and it's not available anywhere, right? Is that?

No? Oh? No, okay, I just got very excited because I am. I think Antonio Banderas might be the sexiest man. A lot of this movie is insane.

Yeah, is it on TV? Maybe? Me where it is because I want it now. I remember when it came out, because that was the era. When I was reading it, I was like watching recording out recordings you couldn't back then.

I was watching every Ciskel and Ebert. I was reading New York News day Friday morning. I'd get up early to read the reviews. This nineteen ninety five, Good Good Time. Good Yes ninety five.

It's solid. So it's Rebecca D. Morney and Antonio Banderas in ninety five it's. About it's on too B, it is on too be. It's like, okay, so it's really weird.

So her and Antonio and Banderas just end up getting in this really like sexually charged toxic relationship make sense, and it's really interesting and weird, and in some regards it is just like a standard nineties thriller. But also it's got huge dapama energy. It's got a Pino di Naggio score, which is bananas. So the music is bananas the entire time, and the sex scenes in it are wild and like subversive at times, so like, I don't know, it's it's like an amazing version of what you think of when you say, like a nineties thriller within it. Yes, yes, okay, I want it.

I'm watching it. So that's that's that. Do you want me to just blaze through a couple. Thrillers? Okay?

So another one that's on TV is perfectly good. Moment have have I talked about this at all? So actually it's like a very indie film made by a woman who I am friends with on the internet. So but like that's not the reason why I'm saying it's good. It's this again, subversive.

I'm gonna just over use that word. It's it's an it's like an erotic thriller, a sexually charged game of cat and mouse where you think you know what's going on. It's it's from twenty twenty three, so it's like it takes all the standard kind of trappings of similar genres and then just does weird shit with it. Like the end is really satisfying. It's kind of like like a digital rape revenge movie.

Okay, Okay, So that's on two B two, and that is a massive recommend because it's a little indie made by passionate people and it's so fucking good, awesome. I don't want to talk about. Disclosure disclosure is Oh man, It's like you watch a movie like that and you you look and you say, you know, sometimes movies are bad for people. Like if you watch that, if you had any worries about like feminism or women in the workplace, and you watch that movie, all of your worst instincts are confirmed. That is a like an unhealthy movie.

Yep, it's it's I've seen it a few times. Every time I watch it, I think like, oh, this isn't gonna this So this isn't as gonna be as bad as I remember, and then it like really keeps going and I'm like, oh, no, no, no, it is, it'll it, yes, all right, what else? I don't think you can find that one anywhere, so I'm gonna skip it. Okay, so I watched I don't think you can find this one either, But it's worth talking about Wicked Minds, which is from two thousand and three, and it's an Angie Everheart movie. It's like a made for TV.

One where like. So there's a line in the in the in the synopsis that says Holden quickly falls for the beauty and charisma of his stepmother. So it's really all I mean to know about it. I'm in. I'm in.

It's it's like actually good though, And my review for it is is this knives out, So it has this weird, like mystery quality. I like it. I like it. I don't know it was. It was a lot of fun.

I'm not quite sure where I watched that though, so I can't tell you where to go. Hmmm, do I have any other good ones? I love the erotic thriller. Kick You're on. I know it's been fun.

Sometimes they're not good, though. That's okay, as long as there's a kind of sexy saxophone going on. I'm that there's a lot there. Oh, I will say this is kind of on the erotic thriller line. So we rewatched that Serenity movie from the twenty nineteen and Mathew.

McConaughey, Oh, the twist in that movie. The twist in that movie. We saw it in the theater on opening weekend, before the twist got like fully blown open. I didn't know what it was, what it was going to be, and so we had never watched it with like full knowledge awareness of what it was going to be. Knowing allows you to see the few moments of beauty in this film, but it's still overall just doesn't really work for me.

I will say though, like when it is just a movie about like a sweaty guy who lives on a tropical island who's gonna who's gonna kill his ex wife's new husband, it is like perfect erotic thriller shit. Right right, Yeah, I can see what you mean there. And like Jason Clark is the awful husband in it, as he so often plays, and he's so fucking good in it. Yeah, they're like world where that movie works. I think there is, but there is a part of me that wishes.

That it was just it was what it was, you mean, like like without the twist. Yeah, Like I don't want to spoil Serenity from twenty nineteen for anybody, but like it's basically so Matthew McConaughey isn't alive. He's like a digital character in this mini game that his son built out. I think, wait, doesn't even exist or isn't it like all in like this, this child has fashioned a video game and it's just that is his dad. His dad was real.

He died. I think he died in the war. Okay, I think he died in the war. You saw it more recently than I did, so I believe you. Well, I mean, I'm saying it with a lot of unsure to that.

Definitely reasonable I speak, I'd say, but either. Way, when again, when it's a story about a guy who owns a fishing boat trying to kill Jason Clark. Ten out of ten, uh, those are my most noteworthy erotic thrillers. Oh, I watched a Bordella of Blood, which isn't really an erotic thriller. It just underscores how many uh of that terrible man what's his name?

Miller? So many Dennis Miller and Angie Everheart movies. Weird connections he got there. I don't think I've ever seen Bordella of Blood. As you know, Demon Knight is my you know, like I'm leaving my estate to Demon Night.

It is one of my favorite moves of all time. And you know, yeah, I've seen Ritual, which was supposed to be a taleson krypt movie, but I think got like shifted out of that universe for some reason. And I just never got around to Bordella of Blood. I never heard anybody speak positively enough for me to think it was worth checking out. I wouldn't say no.

I mean, Angie Everhart is a lady vampire in it, so like and it's like it's a nice nineties and there is yes, there is kirk Keeper, not a lot of krip Keeper. Honestly, if I'm if I'm remembering it, he was like less than a demon knight maybe, or maybe it's just not as memorable. But I would say, if you've ever been interested, like, it's worth looking at. Dennis Miller is what drags it down. Not surprising, Yeah, true of most of his life.

Most most things except the Net. Oh the Net. So I love when like you say the Net and I just like lean back. I'm like, oh the Net. What a time?

What a time when we all learned what a gibson was. That's a drink and thought they would be good, but they're not. But they're not. That's so funny. I mean, it's a moretini with an onion.

Why? How what about that says good? I don't know, this is cool to say, what else do you have? So I have that kind of horror stuff? But I don't know.

Well, let's I'll go through everything else and then we'll get to horror. How's that? Because I think you and I both probably have a good batch of that. So let's get everything else out of the way. Let's see all right.

Musical. So here's one from a couple of years ago that I always meant to see and finally it's been on Amazon Prime forever. Spike Lee's Shiraq. You know anything about this? So it is sort of a modern telling of Lysistrata, which was an ancient Greek play, and the concept is very simple, which is the men are at war.

The women are tired of watching men die. So they say, you know what, we are not going to until you stop the war, no more sex. And so this is a telling of it in Chicago and in net or in chyrac As they say, where it's you know, gun violence and gang warfare and the same thing. The women say, you know what, We're gonna band together and we're this is what we're doing. And this is one of those movies that you watch like you lean back, you're like, god, damn it.

The same way like you think of sometimes I think a Spielberg movie or like how Denzel Washington can like has that movie star Chrisma where you're watching anything, and he shows up and you're like, oh, oh, now I'm leaning in. It's kind of like that when you watch a Spike Lee movie and realize that he has a different kind of energy than any other filmmaker. And this is such a like ambitious, messy movie. It is a musical kind of I mean, it is a musical. It's a rap musical.

It's you kind of almost feel like it's getting made up as it goes along, Like there's something about like you don't really know where you are in it, Like characters are showing up. There's so many random actors that pop up. Your boy John Cusack is in here as a as a as a priest, and he's he's quite good in it. I did I did actually know that, Yeah, because you would have been on your list when you were trying to kind of get through his whole filmography. Right, Yeah, you should watch this.

It's it's great. Like I'm watching this and my mind's going a million places and it ends and I kind of look at Brandon and we're both I'm like, what'd you think? He's like I I yeah, I'm like yeah, right, But also like I can understand anybody watching it and kind of not feeling it, but once you kind of like get over a hump of like it's almost like watching Shakespeare in that way where it's you're tuning your ear, you're kind of given in. You're saying, this is the language I'm in, and it's it's entertaining, it's different, it's it has things to say and it has found different tools to say them with. So this was a real find for me.

I was very happy to watch it. Yeah, so that's that's it's great that you that you call it out, though, because I will do this thing where I won't really even entertain anything after like the twenty twenty ten for like Kusac stuff spo typically. But it's not fair because I was just skimming to make this point, and I just went by Maps to the Stars which is twenty fourteen, and Love and Mercy, which is twenty fourteen, which are real, like solid good movies. And this is not a read against Csack. It's about casting.

People should put him in every five star a list, amazing movie, but it just seems like after a while the types of stuff he was being featured and didn't get so good. So I kind of avoid that part of the philmography sometimes, which is on me I've clearly missed out. Yeah, and this this is out there, it's on Amazon Prime. I would love for more people to watch it and see what they think of it. I got a few more non horror, so, okay, here's one that a movie that I kind of hated.

I understand. I'm not saying it's a bad movie, but I definitely watched this movie and it just this is one of those. A lot of times this happens with me and Branham. We'll watch a movie and we won't like say anything to each other while we're watching it, and it ends and we kind of look at each other and it's like, what'd you think? And usually he hates it and I like it because especially if I'm the one making the decisions, and in this case, he turns to me, he's like, what'd you think?

And I'm like, oh, I hated it. This was Saturday Night. Oh so that. Saturday Night live movie? Right?

Yes, okay, I didn't want to like it'd be very funny if it was not the whole Assumption or whatever. The asylum Saturday Nights. So the only thing so I remember cringing at this movie quite a bit. The only thing I remember liking is Dylan O'Brien's Dan Ayk's been the entire movie should have been him. Yeah, he's very good.

The guy who's Chevy Chase is also very good. Yes, yes, it's yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you're right because he did a good job too. But like I don't, I don't know what was your why didn't it work? Okay, I figured this out and it says more about me than it does the movie, and I will accept that. It's the same reason I hate Empire Records, which I know is a movie that many people of our generation will fall on a sword for.

I don't like movies about cool kids clubs. Yeah, because I'm not a cool kid. And when I watch a movie that is about feels like and Empire Records is very much this. It's like music store kids in the nineties you knew everything about music, and if dare you come in and ask for a Broadway album, they're gonna all like point and laugh at you. And Saturday night it kind of feels like that.

It's, oh, look at us, we're artists. We're so you know, we're unhinged, you know, but we're geniuses and it will come together and in the meantime, you're assholes. It's a movie about assholes, and yes they're talented, but it made me watching it. I'm like, my god, it must be miserable to be around anybody on Saturday Live. It didn't make you feel like you were part of a gang.

And that's what a big, fat ensemble type of thing like that should feel like. Right, I think. I guess, like because you want an in and I guess you're supposed to kind of have it with with Lauren Michaels, but you're watching it and you're just thinking, like, I don't want to be the circus animal wrangler, Like this isn't fun. These people are awful. They're they're mean, they're jerk jerks, they're rude, they're crass.

Occasionally they're brilliantly funny. But if that meant I had to be around John Belushi, like, no, it's okay, I'll watch Lawrence Lawrence, welk, It's fine. I'd rather that than have to sit next to this guy on the train. So I don't know, like, and it might have caught me like a particular mood. I don't know.

I've certainly watched other movies about assholes and enjoyed them, but there was something about like the way this movie caught me that I was like, fuck these people. No, I mean it didn't fully like I didn't. It didn't stick the landing, I guess for me, and if I'm over here being like, yeah, Dylan O'Brien looked really hot as dan Ackroyd, and dan Ackroyd was really hot, Like that's what that's my fucking takeaway from it is I get to think about hot. Boys, right, And it had no idea what to do with women in that movie. I think that was one of one of Zach's problems.

Yeah he didn't. I don't know that he felt big time one way or the other. He's a big comedy guy. I probably said this on the show before, so like he's the reason why we watched it. I would have not really chosen that on my own.

But I don't really feel as though he as a big comedy nerd walked away with anything either. So it leaves me wondering like who did it hit for? Right? And like why yeh A good comedy that is always a good comedy and is a great comedy when we you know, we moved recently, so things were stressful, and we had a night where like I was like, you know what, why don't we watch a movie that both of us love that we can just sit back and turn it on if we fall asleep. That's okay.

Uh. And boys, sometimes I'm really smart, Like sometimes I know exactly what to do because I said, hey, how about the Naked Gun. By golly, I'd like to sit down and watch Naked Gun, no matter how many times you've seen it, Like I forgot because I don't think I've seen the opening in a very long time, and just the whole like the when somebody throws a pillow at him the knee can't bristle it off his face. I got. I love the Naked Gun.

We rewatched it semi recently, and I was trying to find it in my list to see exactly when. But yeah, we revisited it and it is obviously very very it. Still works, right, like you know, every every joke's gonna come. It's so good ye yeah, okay, right no note yeah, no notes, perfectly perfect movie. Let's see.

Just I guess on after that? Think the only thing left before her? I had some TV, so, oh, you know what I had comedy, I didn't. It's speak. The only reason I bring it up is because they're interesting, notable entries.

I watched Romey and Michelle for the first time, for the first time, for the first time. Obviously, it was amazing, Like I waited, my I waited almost like half of my life. Yeah, it was about twenty years ago. I remember seeing it in the theater with my mom and sister. That was what ninety.

Ninety seven. Apparently what this says I hadn't seen it. I obviously knew a lot of the references, a lot of the gifts, the jokes, the touchstones. It's easy to feel like you don't need to see something, yep, when you have that kind of pop culture relationship with that. I did the same thing with Pink Flamingos that I watched it and went, oh, you really need to watch movies.

So I find we watched it and it is. It is amazing and brilliant and perfect, and I will probably watch it once a year. Geny and Garoffalo, my birthday twin is phenomenal. You know what else? Mira Sorvino, My birthday twin phenomenal.

Mirror Servino's voice in that movie so funny, Oh my god, the way and clear, and because I remember so much of when that movie came out, because there was a lot of like, I mean, it was okay, fine, It was a national inquirer which probably for whatever reason, had something out for that movie and kept saying, how like oh, because that movie was being filmed, I think as Mira Sorvino won her Oscar, so it was like, supposedly they did rewrites to give her more stuff to do, and Lisa Kudro was like, she's not a comedian, she doesn't get it. Like who knows what was actually true? Probably none of it, but it's it is just an art to watch the two of them, who I think do have very different approaches to the material and are both genius can be actresses in totally different ways.

But just the her voice just this like deep kind of like Valley Girl but not, and just the cadence that she uses just makes everything she does funny. Oh man, it was. It was definitely I can't even say it was like better than I expected because I assumed it would be good. But I guess maybe to a degree. I've said this before I believe you watched the thing when you're meant to watch it.

I don't think that I could have appreciated it at this level if I had just casually seen it in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, So, like I was never a huge li Saqudro fan until I met my husband because he is very appreciative of her comedic abilities, and I never really viewed it that way until like talking to him, So I think it might have just been underappreciated. Yeah, I think that actually, as you said that about time, i'd forgotten one in my kind of Drama section, which was nineteen ninety six's Secrets and Lies Amke Life. Don't think I've actually seen Secrets and Lies. I don't think I wanted to see it because there was so much talk about Marion John Baptiste in Hard Troops, which was not nominated for an Oscar but who everybody said like that was the best performance of the year.

And I had never seen this, and I knew Brannon was a fan of it and owned it, so we sat down to watch it. And it's a similar thing where I'm like, if I had watched this, like, you know, twenty years ago, I would not have gotten much from it, but it is lovely. It is just it's a it's a drama. It's fun, it's very funny. It's Brenda Blefin is kind of a working class British woman who gave up a baby for adoption twenty five years ago, and that baby turns out to be Maryan John Baptize who finds her, and of course Marian jump up piece is black brand of life and is not.

And it's this very like just they want to connect, but there's like a lot of things going on, and it's just lovely. I was kind of waiting for a shooter drop because I think I had just assumed this was a very like dark, heavy drama, and it's not. It's just this very human story of people connecting and people that don't really fit into each other's lives, and they're both lovely in it. And it was a wonderful, wonderful watch for me watching in my forties. I don't know that I would have gotten much if I'd watched it any other time in life.

Huh. That's yeah, that's interesting. It makes me want to, you know, seek out more stuff like that, right, you know, like, like what did I think, Oh, that's not for me right in nineteen ninety eight, and haven't ever really updated that that ye feeling? Yeah, did you have more coms? I had another weird movie that I had never seen, so I still haven't actually seen the first movie, so this is even weirder.

But I watched Charlie's Angels full Throttle. Oh, I have never seen either of them. And you would tell that to Jason Fozy Nelson because he'll. Scream, I've never seen Charlie's Angels. And again, you want to talk about something hitten when you just felt like it wasn't for you.

I just which is so weird because it's like a girl power movie for like lack of a better term. Sure, And I if Full Throttle came out in two thousand and three, then the first one came out, you know when around two thousand whenever around there, and so like we were like eighteen and we were just not interested as like eighteen year old woman. I just I was, I mean, I wasn't either, so it's just strange. So I still haven't seen that first one, which I've heard is better than full that's my understanding, which yeah, but I will say full prottle strange time capsule movie. It's it's a it's very much of its time, both in like the way it's filmed and the way it looks.

Yeah, very two thousand and three, Very two thousand. It feels it feels like the Toxic video, like they video, but like I don't like I'm not saying that in a bad way, Like I don't know that I want to see like an hour and forty minutes of footage that looks like the Toxic video. I guess that's where I'm at. There's a market for it, certainly, but this I've. Chose to watch this one because it had it has to me in it, and I would prefer to look at to me more because I don't Oh Lucy lou Oh Jesus's not in that movie.

Those movies nearly enough, I think. If she's not, I don't know why the Charlie's Angels just weren't one person person in it was Lucy Lowe. I guess it's my note for this film. But I've never really been a Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore person, just because they just don't typically pick projects that I'm interested in. I guess, so like I had I felt like I had trouble getting into these movies.

I think, uh and then, but what I found was this is probably the best movie to watch if you want to look at Lucy Loo but you're not in the mood to watch the kill Bill movies. And that there is definitely a Venn diagram there. It just feels like there's overlap, and like, I don't really love the kill Bill movies at the point in my life, so like, I guess I'd just pop on the Charlie's Angels movies. No ballistics X for sever for you. No, Yeah, to watch them if you ever feel compelled.

They're weird. I maybe had a plane I feel like this could be a plane movie. Maybe because I can't think of another. I'm in life. I'm gonna stop what I'm doing and sit down and watch them.

Yeah. The So the last before Horace, I had some TV just two quick things. Oh, okay, so this is on Peacock. Now, this is a shit. This is what's like a one season thing that I had known about for a long time and was waiting for it to come from Canada to the US.

And it is like an eight episode little series called I Have Nothing and it. No, this is great. This is great because now I feel bad because I need to know the woman's name who did this like you're skating. It is. A comedian named Carolyn Taylor.

She's a comedian. She's a Canadian, I believe, and she uh does stand up. And she had this routine about how her dream she always dreamt of choreographing a pairs figure skating program to the song I Have Nothing, and this was just this weird, like just desire she had in her heart to do because she could see it. She can see what it would look like on ice and when there'd be a throw and when there'd be a spin. And so the series is her doing that.

She's working with Sandra Bezick, who's a very famous former figure skater and choreographer. She gets Katerina Guerdieva, two time figure skating Olympic champion, and David Peltier to to do this routine. There's a bunch of figure skaters that show up, and it's like eight episodes of her learning how to choreograph and trying to get the rights to a Whitney Houston song. And it is porn for a figure skating fan like me. Because it's also like a lot of nineties figure skating people show up, like Kurt Browning's there, like Terinavit's there at one point, and it's just it's also this kind of like weird, beautiful thing of somebody doing something they kind of have like no right to do in a way, like this woman is not a figure skater, but like she has this connection to this and she just wants to get this done.

But there's so much that goes into it, and she has to learn so much, and there's something really beautiful about that. And also I think it very much is a nice way of like showing what is so special and weird about figure skating, which is obviously something I cared deeply about. So I recommend it. It's on Peacock, it's not long, it's just eight episodes, and they're all very fun, and. I think it's a good time that does seem really fun.

I know that I have not followed in your footsteps with the figure skating, but as a youth, it was it was my favorite, you know, Winter Olympics were my favorite. I specifically for that I would watch it. I remember there was a lot of smashing pumpkins during that time in the figure skating programs, which I enjoyed quite a bit. Now it's all done too so well I've heard I've heard that they're really racing it. There is so much doune in figure skating this season, so I.

Definitely see the allure of it from even that like childlike ice Capades kind of quality. But so it does seem kind of social experimental, which I do dig that too. I recommend it. You can find it. And the last thing we'll talk about TV wise, because I'm really curious if.

You've watched I haven't watched any TV. Probably that's all right. I just I want somebody to agree with me that Severance is not as incredible as everybody says. Well, I wish that you were closer. I could introduce you to my husband, who has never seen a single episode of it, and it's convinced he knows exactly what happens and is so angry about the prospect of what he believes.

What bothers me about it is it's it's the same thing that bothered me about Westworld are shows, and it's very much falling in those footsteps. Unfortunately, I think he might be right. I think I might have to grugulingly give him this. Well, okay, let's see if we're on the right track. The problem with both of these shows is that they establish a brilliant concept.

Right. Imagine if you were not the same person at work, if you could turn your brain and body off or not body. You turn your brain and heart off and go to work and somebody else is doing your job for eight hours and then they turn it back on. And then your home and so all the shit that you think of at work, all the shit that you bring back home and back and forth, isn't there. What does that mean?

What kind of person are you if you don't have that work life? What kind of person are you at work? If you don't have any actual connection to family, or to sex or to all these other things? That is incredible, right, Like what you could do with that? Like what would it mean if you got pregnant and you but you did not, and so you severance?

That sounds great, So I don't have to worry about leaving my child eight hours a day because I'm not the person leaving my child. All of these things are like ooh oh, yeah, what does that mean? Instead, it's just a fucking mystery box. It's lost and why it is so frustrating because it is such a good idea. And my theory is that nobody that works on the show has ever worked a day in an office.

Zach said that too. Yeah, he's right, so Ben Stuller worked was a temp I don't think so. Uh So it's very frustrating. He literally invoked the Ben Stiller things. Does Ben Stiller know about going about clocking in?

I'll apologize, he's right, you're wrong. Sorry, it's okay, I'm okay being wrong. I do think it's funny that he got so mad having never seen it, though, I think that was now in hindsight, it's absolutely adorable and one of the most charming things he's ever done, because it's something that I would have done. Yeah, it's like as somebody who gets unreasonably angry at things I can't control. It's I agree.

It's very fun when like my husband does the same thing and I'm like, oh see, it's not just me, see you gotta do it's about wrestling. But still, yeah, that's fun and it's so interesting. So is there gonna be so you're current on it? Right? Yeah?

Yeah, I am because I had, like, I got a new phone, so I had a free Apple TV for a while. So I'm like, all right, let me watch the show that everybody talks about. And I was open to it, and I will say it is gorgeous. It's beautiful, production values, amazing cast. Everybody in that cast is doing great work.

And there are slivers of things where you're like, ooh, this character like I forget the actor's name, but the character of Dylan, who's like this very much like he introduced in him and he's very into work and he's into all the little perks at work, and then he gets one glimmer of what he is at home and it changes everything dramatically and that's really interesting, and give me more of that. And so there's like pockets of things where maybe somebody on the show gets it, but so much of it is just mystery box and isn't this weird? And what does that mean? And see this person's related to that person. Then you're like, no, just talk about what it's like to do this at work.

It's interesting and they don't agree. So yeah, so I'm convinced it's gonna spin its wheels. Supposedly they have an end in sight quote unquote, but it does not feel It feels like they now are now making things up as they go, and that's a problem. That's that's a bummer. I this is a little tangential, but you're one of the only people I have to talked about about this with.

But I've I've sort of heard that that's what's currently happening on this season of Yellow Jackets, which. I haven't haven't watched this season yet either I'm waiting for it to show up to another streaming site that I have, and also I kind of don't care, like I'm not hearing enough about it to make me think, oh, I really have to turn my earmuffs on and not hear anything like No, I'll get to it when it comes to wherever it's gonna come. I've been kind of like watching as people watch it. And when I started uristic like an erotic thriller, I am, oh an erotic game of cat and mouse, where. I waits with binoculars watching in her little window, watching us.

Her neighbors across the street are watch Yellow Jackets. And I'm like checking to see if they seem into it. I when I heard the Mystery Box kind of comparison there, or it just feels like they're doing stuff to do it now or does the show even know where it's going. That type of stuff makes me very worried. Yeah, we all lived through Lost.

I think that's the problem, and. So I get a little, a little you know, hesitant to and and kind of so I know why there was such a big gap between the seasons, or why at least it felt like there was. There was the strike definitely impact for all that stuff, So I'm not faulting the show for that, but it felt like the way season two kind of rolled up, I was already not on comfortable footing with the show. Yeah, so like to hear that we haven't like righted the ship, so to speak, in a way that I would find satisfying, is like, I don't know if I even want to go back. Well, I think for Yellow Jackets, I'm pretty sure that the big thing that happens at the end of season two was purely an actor saying I'm done and the show then having to be like, crap, now you have to redo whatever we're going to do.

So I don't think that was planned, and I think that probably affected things, But also like that was towards the end of season two, like the I don't think Yellow Jackets knows what it's doing with its adults. I have. I think it knows what happened with the teens, although that has to change depending on what happens with the adults and what actors you're still going to have and everything, So I don't know, Maybe we'll I think they were on a five year plan, like I think, a solid five year plan, so I want to hope that they know what they're doing, but find out eventually. All right, So I've got some horror. You've got some horror.

Do you want to take a quick break and come back? Sure? A right man? The clocktic think of confusion? News, nothing new?

Nice soupcum. Time? Sometimes you'll picked me. All right, you're back. Christina's put her vernaculars down to focus on the new thriller at hand, which is whatever scary things we've been.

Watching, that's true, all right, So throw it at me what you got? So I have I have chosen to watch some newer se I. Have a couple of new stuff. Let's do what you got? Yay?

So I watched Hard Eyes? Oh what did you think of for a bit. You said hard eyes, and I don't know why that was so disturbing to me because I'm like, hard eyes? What does that? What could that mean?

Oh? No, hard eyes? Okay, what do you think of new concept? It's a good drag name. I thought it was fine.

It's didn't. I I don't. I'm not actually saying it's similar to what was the movie called once Once upon a Knife? I'm making that up. It's a wonderful n a knife, though it is going to be why not?

Why not? Oh boy, Google, I don't think that they're similar, but I felt similarly about Okay, like I felt like, I'm so glad. Hard eyes exists. When it works, it works real well. But I don't necessarily think I'm the intended audience for.

Writ Okay, did you see it? No? I have not yet. Okay, it was fun and it's also hyper violent, okay, like hyper violent. I it reminded me of laid to Rest a few times, like how gooey and violent?

I did not realize. Yeah, it was like very much that, which is cool, but it's that's not usually like where my heart lies, so care that's not technically when I what I love to like engage with, so mileage is gonna be not great for me personally. But I know, like people are like, this is my new Valentine's movie. I've heard that, and I totally. Get it, and next year I probably actually will watch it again, especially if it's like easily accessible streaming somewhere, I will watch it again.

But like, it didn't. It didn't like set me on fire, and that's why I was curious if you had seen that one. Yeah, well I'd be curious to get your take because it is a slash, but it is more of like a violent, like over the top slasher, okay, which. I oddly enough I was not did not know I thought of it. I think most of the marketing seemed more as if it was a comedy, or that it was more kind of horror with a lot comedic elements.

So I guess I just was misreading that marketing. It is too though, and I think that I think maybe so, like I guess I've never seen Terrifyer, but knowing what I know about that franchise, I guess this is like like a hyper violence maybe without like the misogyny sexism. Okay, that's fair, which is cool. I'm glad that there's like counterprogramming to that, because like gorehounds, maybe don't hate women. It's always good to know.

Yeah, okay, Well, on the note of horror, that's sort of comedy, I'm gonna go with one that literally was categorized as a comedy in the Golden Globes. So therefore I guess it was did you see heretic? Ah? So I did. It's on my list to talk about.

Okay, what did you say? Give Harrit? So? Do you do you want just my answer? Do you want my big wind up to.

My I want all of it? Because I I watched it on a plane and I had a lot. I was like, I where Okay, Well I can't get off the plane, so I'm gonna keep going like where where? So give me all. I want to hear all of it from you.

So this was this is a Beck and Woods movie. Yes, I don't think I am there for me, but that's so. That's Christine's pake. Christina not does not has never found a Beck in Woods that she liked. So they did what it was?

It haunt? What was the they did like one of the Haunted House movies that was not I didn't like, and everybody else did. The Haunt. I think it was the Haunt Haunt. And then they are those writers of a Quiet Place.

Quiet Place, which I very much don't love, one of them or both of them, writer on that Boogeyman movie which I didn't love, and then sixty five million, The Adam Drive five, the Adam Driver movie. I didn't work a lot. They work a lot, and they're their their pitches. If you if you were to just hand me the pitch for every one of their movies, I would be like, give it to me, sold, here's ten million dollars. Absolutely, let's go.

But then when I see them, I'm like, oh no, what's happening. Supposedly it took them like ten years to write this movie because they were doing a lot of research. I'm sorry, There's a lot of better ways to spend your time. I loved it so much. You love this movie.

It's good? Really? Wow? Oh I kind of hated it. I love it.

I totally get what I love when this happens with. Us and I kind of I kind of hated it too, But every time I thought it was doing something that would have made me enrage. Okay, it was to make a different choice, and I was like, Okay, wait a second, this is actually like I'm finding this fresh interesting. Everything they did was not what they were gonna do, and in that regard, I truly felt like I was along for the ride, which I don't usually feel like in these movies. Okay, I could see that, and.

I will one hundred percent cop to the fact that maybe eighty percent of my enjoyment was the performances. Oh my god, they are everybody is so good, and I mean yes, like I can't imagine this movie without Hugh Grant because he is and it's not just that like oh, it's Hugh Grant doing something different, Like no, the way he's doing it is so interesting and specific, and I I really think it is a different movie in anybody else's hands of that performance. But the actress playing Sophie, that DRI's good. But the other actress girl so good. Oh my god, I don't I cannot.

I feel bad now not remember her name, but that and that character. I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I want I love this. I love a taking this very like optimistic Mormon and putting it in her eyes and seeing how she's doing it, and she I thought was magical. I thought she was so good. She was really the performances are really strong, So I guess I was because of the surprising nature of some of the choices and the character selling them.

I was very like enveloped in the world. And every time I thought it was the thing, I thought it was simulation theory, I thought it was ghosts, I thought it was it was never that. So even though it kind of oh, I'm so sorry spoilers for herotech, spoilers for hair attach kind of boiled down to like a woman in a room, which you. Know is my least favorite, I was. That's also why I figured this would not be your jam in.

The end, I and I totally acknowledged that it's a. Like literal pile of women in Basketsally it really is. And I think the fact that this movie almost this movie spent so much time trying to convince me that this man was something other than what he obviously always was was really interesting exercise to me. I guess was like, this man is man is awful, and they're gonna spend almost two hours of your life trying to convince you they're not when they are. It was just this strange exercise where he was trying to use religion to like justify what he was doing, and it never worked.

It never justified it. He was never right, he never was on top. And it felt, I don't know, it felt really satisfying in a weird way. I could see that. I think a lot of my problems were with it worthy kind of trying to understand, like what this movie actually thinks of religion, because it is obviously you know, it's kind of posing all of these like it's bullshit, it's bullshit, it's bullshit, and yet then it does things where it's like or is it?

And I felt like it kind of chickened out in that way a bit, because it does leave some things to happen that are again we spoiled it, like oh see maybe there is maybe faith did do this, And that to me felt a little like so this is like what it just it felt to me like this movie thought it was smarter than it was. Oh yes, that is true. There is some of this dialogue especially that was like come on. First year, and the fact that they took ten years to research it. It's like, so how much Wikipedia did you read to get all this.

Is a bit that's so valid, so valid, And honestly, if I like what you had said earlier, if you had been in a different mood for Saturday night, maybe like it would have hit different. If I had been in a different mood for this, I might have hated it, but it really was like, Okay, work, good job, guys, this is nice. Yeah, I'm fascinated because I wondered where you'd fall on it, because I and I didn't. This is one that while I was watching it, I couldn't decide, and then I was kind of just getting I was getting restless and bored. I was like, oh't know, man, Like I got nowhere to I'm not distracted.

I'm on a plane, i got nowhere to go. So it's not like I'm gonna take my phone and out start playing a game like No, I'm watching it, and I am I'm kind of bored. And then the more I thought about it, the more annoyed I got at it. But it's also like I can't I mean again, three very good performances in this movie that them themselves are worth it so interesting. Yeah, I'm glad you saw it, and it's interesting that you didn't enjoy it because like, I totally get it.

Yeah, okay, other new ones that we both watched. Let's see, Oh well I watched Presence. I did not watch Presidence. You think of Presence. So the letterbox has it as twenty twenty four, but I saw it listed of twenty twenty five.

It just came out theatrically this year. If it's twenty twenty five, then it's my favorite movie of the year. Oh, nothing will probably beat it. Nice, exciting. I saw.

I apparently am falling on the like end of very divisive things because there's another one i'll talk about. I loved it, but it's very divisive, right, I've seen a lot of like, Okay, what was this movie about? Kind of things, And honestly, you might not like it because it's got one of my favorite elements in it. Okay, I'm not worrying about it. I'm not gonna spoil shit.

That's okay, that's okay. But it's one of my things that you don't really doesn't affect you. I get it. I get it. I have been swayed sometimes on those kinds of movies, by the way, for the record, but no, totally.

But like I Zach and I watched it together. I was rendered speechless. I had to take my glasses off to weep. Like I was just we were both like in all of it. And then I said to my mom, you have to watch this movie if you have access to it, and then she was like it was fine, and it was just like okay, well, I just don't understand anything anymore.

I mean, you know, I side with your mom more than you. It's true, so that's why she she liked it. But overall, I think she would probably market in like the forgettable category. Interesting. I will watch it.

I will definitely watch him it comes around, because I mean, even a hum Soderberg movie is still a Sodaberg movie. It's still made well, still have something of. Interest to it, and it was really like well composed, and I thought the script was like super solid. But Sodaberg, I think recently said something about like not wanting to write his movies anymore, in like partnering with writers to just like direct movies. And I really feel like that's when he works best for me, is when he's like working in collaboration with this story.

I mean, I think he is such a a good filmmaker on a like and I don't mean to like I'm gonna say, like on a technical side that makes it sound like oh yeah, no, heart Like, No, it's not that it's his skill in making a film. Just the tightness of his movies, the editing of his movies, the way they move is really remarkable, and it's not I don't think a great Soderberg movie is ever great because of the script. So yeah, yeah, that's that's an interesting point. I I would be curious to get your your thoughts on this just as a singular film, but also like a bigger part of his filmography, because like, for me, this is like maybe the best soda Berg movie I've ever seen. But like, I am such a I'm such a fan of like a good script that I don't know Sometimes I don't know what I'm I'm actually lauding.

What am I a fan of? A right, But like it's it's such a it's such an interesting way to tell the story, I guess, And if it doesn't work for you, like I totally get it not working. So Okay, on that note, let's go talk about a movie that I think shows from a director who I've seen a few films of his now, And I know you have two and I think he is a very good director, but I think he is terrible at writing scripts. And I don't know if I am alone in that company. But good golly, did you see Long Legs?

Yes? Did you watch that movie and think? What the woho the fuck wrote this there? It's just so stupid the garrot, Like when you sit back and think about so many things that happened in that movie, it's just so so bid Well what what jog my memory. A little bit?

What are you exactly referencing? All right, so Long Legs, I'm gonna spoil things. About a minute since I It's been a minute since I since I I watched it all the way through. So I don't feel that way about it, but I could agree with you, I guess. Okay, all right, so I am going to spoil Long Legs for those of you who have not seen Long Legs.

Okay, So we have a you know, a young Clarice Starling who seems to have like, you know, kind of psychic abilities. Maybe she's psychic in the begin when she figures out one thing, but then the rest of the movie she seems to have no psychic ability. Whatsoever, because the otherwise would she not have known that this man was living in her basement? You have, well, there's a whole reason for that. Oh no, I'm gonna explain the moment.

No, So you have a whole pattern of kids whose birthdays are this day die and apparently it takes Blair Underwood to the day of his daughter's birthday party to realize, oh shit, my daughter's born on that day. I wonder if she's gonna be part of the Long Legs Killer, the constant. Like what I think what bothered me was the whole I don't understand anything about. I'm just gonna keep call her her Claric Starling because that's what she's clearly trying to be. Who is she?

Okay, where is this happening? Let's go to that question, because their FBI right, so it should be like national They can be flying from one place to the other, or all of these murders are happening like in the Pacific Northwest right where they happen to be. Isn't that convenient because that's the psychic power that you'd have. You didn't identify it here. I don't know.

I just I just thought it was dumb. I just thought all of it was dumb. Nothing added up to anything. And it sure it looked cool, Sure you got good performances. I didn't.

I wouldn't have known that was in a cage if I didn't know that was in a cage, But it just felt stupid in the end. I'm like, I if if you had submitted the script in class, your teacher would rightfully have a lot of red marks on it made me very angry. I brand it like, wasn't it dumb? He's like, I don't know. I was fine, but no, it was dumb.

It So I get what you're saying, but I don't know that I would have ever classified those similar feelings as dumb. I would have called the script convoluted for sure, though, So we I think we're saying similar things, like if you don't know why something is happening and you're watching the film as you would be you're a studious film watcher, you shouldn't be wondering the answers to these questions. They should be really clear, Like. I got so distracted. Like there's a moment where Blair Underwood is at a hotel drinking and Clarie Starling comes there with him and they're they're like they're talking and everything.

He's like, Oh, it's time to go, and she's like, oh, I'll drive you home. I'm like, wait, you were recruited just now to be part of this operation. Where is home? Where is your home? Where is his home?

Where are you? People? Like things like that that just really bugged me About the geography of the movie. It's one of those things when like and you will and again to just not just keep comparing it to Sounds of the Lambs, but like think of the geography Assiunds of the Lambs to the geography of that movie. I think that's what's interesting, is like you're comparing it like with this feeling that it so I can compared it too.

I we just compared it in different ways. Okay. So the way that I watched the film is it is was for me Osgood was making Silence of the Lamb's fan fiction with the supernatural element, like like like Silence of the Lamb's X Files maybe, okay, And so for me there was like it it didn't exist in reality because of the supernatural elements. Because the supernatural elements were real within the film, they weren't just like, is she imagining it to me? That?

I mean, they they were real, tangible so to me since they didn't live in reality. I guess I was less concerned about the movie making me feel like we were in reality because I knew we weren't, okay, but like, that's my relationship with it, and so like, if I have to have this, An argument can be made that if I have to have this deep, like personal like backstory that that no one else is involved in, then maybe it's it's not working. Or if you're not, if you're entertained enough that you're not thinking or being distracted by what I perceived as plot holes and poor writing, then it's also just oh, it's a movie that worked for you and didn't work for me. So I think it's totally valid to say I wasn't thinking of these things because I was really into it, and that's fine.

It just for me was one of those cases where I couldn't look past logic in watching that movie. Well, but what I think is so interesting about this is because I get it, not just like in like a nebulous movie watching sense, but like with Osgood specifically, I feel like every one of his movies that I have seen is like, this is a ten out of ten except yep for this cute if it only did this there only answered It's a weird relationship to have with a person's filmography, because I'm specifically thinking of Gretel and Hansel, which I thought was in a like an earth shattering film until literally the last four minutes and I was like, throw this trash out. That's that's hyperbolic. I didn't actually feel this way, but like I didn't like the last literal minute undid the entire film for me.

And then something like Black Coat's Daughter, which I find other people talking to me about the movie more compelling than watching the movie. I think, yeah, it's more interesting what that movie like inspires is more exciting than that movie which is just missing something. Yes, they're like the way that people talk about the subtext of Black Coat's Daughter and what it means and what the Devil is really represent is like, wow, I wish I had seen that in that movie. Yeah, but wait, but people got it out of it, So like I. Guess like it's like I feel like we're like Osgood's movies are like a dance, and I feel like you have to like be willing to do the dance with him and follow his lead, and sometimes I can't yep because it's like I almost feel like he's doing the dance wrong.

But like that's like everybody else is following the steps. Yeah, Like I'm just like, why are you doing this? And that's why I'm afraid to watch the Monkey, right. I've heard wildly mixed things about the monkeys. Yes, well, so so I heard something about the monkey because it's a Stephen King thing that somebody said it's so he's doing Stephen King so well, and it made me think of that of Kieran and Shipka's character in Long Legs.

Okay, Yeah, which is the thing I liked the least about Longihood. Okay, I can see that there was the way that. They chose to do that character felt like a Stephen King character in the way that I say, I don't like Stephen King. I can completely understand what you're saying. Yeah, So I worry that the monkey is just might not be that.

Yeah, I don't know. I still have to see. I am the pretty thing that lives in the wall. I know I still have That's the one that I've missed and the Monkey. But I really liked that movie.

I thought that movie really worked. It's very slow and quiet and stuff, so like, I don't know what an interesting filmmaker though, very much, and. I'm excited to keep seeing what he does. I'm waiting for it to fully work for me. And in the meantime, I'm excited that he does seem to have a, you know, a thriving career and will keep making making and keep making horror films, which is also a nice thing.

Yeah, for sure, it's like cool that even if it's not hitting for you, like other people are are like so into something so like weird. I guess that's how I feel at least, Yeah, very much like I'm glad you guys are getting into long legs like this. I mean there's like dolls in it, weird dolls and strange murder. Weird doll and it's still know like that okay, and that come on that doll is It's not just like, oh, here's a weird doll. No, here's like a Mithriagan doll that has a magical computer ball chip in its head that will explode and turn people crazy.

And like I should be eating that up and I'm not because I'm like, come on, even I have my lines of if I can't explain it, then it's a little too weird. And I liked a little too weird. So this it could be a case of maybe you revisit it in like five years and you're like, wait, this is this is school? Or I would I think all of his and again, Black Coat's Daughter is the only one I have watched twice and I didn't get any more from it the second time, but I'd be curious for a lot of his stuff that maybe it will age differently. Yeah, you never know.

Indeed, all right, other new stuff? Do I have one more? Let me hear that's it? Though I have nothing else I have, but you might have seen some of the ones I have, so go for it and then I'll jump on. Okay, well let's see all right, another new Ish one?

Uh? This one was also pretty celebrated and I actually loved it. A French Canadian film, Red Rooms. I haven't seen it yet. Is it really violent or upsetting?

Oh? I am trying to figure out how to speak about it. I maybe we should just do an episode on it because I would watch it again. Okay, And is it. Uh, it is not visual violence.

You do not see much in this movie. There is a lot. It is heavy, there's a lot that it is doing and exploring, and it is It talks about violence, and it talks about some very severe violence to like very young people, but you do not see it. And that's kind of part of the point of the movie, I think, is exploring that. So I found it riveting and I let's let's just do it.

Let's let's cover it soon. Okay, sure, okay. Uh another one I was not so hot on. That's fairly new. Did you see Cuckoo?

I haven't watched it yet. No, but it's on the it's on the short list. You you you're saying you didn't. I it's not. It's entertaining.

It looks great. Dan Stevens is fantastic. Hunter Schaeffer is fantastic. Great Final Girl. Yeah, it's different.

It's very strange, like story wise, I don't know that I could explain it very well, and it lost me. I was into it, and then it kind of hit a point where I really was like, I I'm sorry, Who am I ridding? Who's good? Who's evil? What's going I don't Okay, and I it lost me, So not a wash A mild recommend for a horror fan, because I think it does some interesting things, but ultimately for me, it was kind of a disappointment.

That's a shame. It's still on my list, and I think I would like to check it out, just because you know, you might. Like it, you might like it more than I did. All right, all right, well I'll go in with a you know, tentative feeling. I guess.

On Hulu there's a little, very fairly short horror movie called Dead Sea. I always like horror movies that are set on the water. And it's like some young people end up in a jet ski accident and get taken in by a boat and it turns out it's an organ. There's an organ donation ring going on. This is okay.

Yeah, Dean Cameron shows up. That's fun. Lead actress is very good. She's very watchable. It's kind of nice because it's a movie where you know, girls are in bathing suits the entire movie, but it does not feel like it's doing like a female gate, like a male gayzy kind of thing.

So it's okay, it's fine. I would be curious to see more. About the director, but this was kind of fine. Here's when you might have seen nineteen eighty four, eighty six Dreamscape with Dennis Quaid. It's been in Ruckerhower right.

No. No. Eight is okay. Different. This has Maximon Seedow, Kate Capshaw Warriors come out and play a David Patrick Hilly.

Yeah, David Patrick Kelly. I haven't seen it in probably like fifteen years, but I have seen it. It's very strange. Is doesn't someone turn into a snake man in it? Or oh no, no, this is a this movie has snake man it, this is wi no, no, no, this is you got it, this is it's one of the writers.

I forget the guy who directed it directed a couple of interesting things, but Chuck Russell is one of the writers on it, and it feels like, oh yeah, it makes sense that the same guy that wrote Nightmare and Elm Street three wrote this. It has a lot of that kind of dream energy of like when you're in a dream, you can be anything. You could be this, you could be that. It's weird. It's it's eighty four and they're doing like there's some crazy practical effects and create some wild computer effects.

There's some weird sexual assault stuff that's kind of coded over as it being okay because it's in dreams and stuff. It's, oh, there's presidential assassin stuff like it has that era of sort of like the Boys from brit Ill where everything could kind of be about assassinating somebody. So it's strange and it's fairly quick, and it didn't wasn't great, but it's a fun little nugget from that time period that I just was not familiar with at all. Yeah, I know I've seen it because it's some people are agish, have a lot of nostalgia for it. I say that, Yeah, I.

Hadn't seen it though, But the director, whose name is Joseph Ruben, is one of my favorite directors of all time. He directed The Stepfather, He directed Sleeping with the Enemy, which is a movie that I am sort of obsessed with, and The Forgotten Forgotten, Oh. No, I've forgotten. More importantly, Look, you can have you can take your Julianne Moore abducted child, late breaking alien twist all you want. Give me Macaulay Culkin shooting people and pushing dummies off of passes in the good.

Soun good Son. We got good So here. I will never never turn away, turn away a chance to talk about the good Son. It's so like he's got a wild film agits like strange movies. I'm sure Zach would be so excited if I told him I wanted to watch them.

It's on Peacock you watch pretty easily. Let's see. Oh this is like the year two thousand or so, made for TBS Superstation original starring Harry Hamlin. So of course I'm gonna give that a give that a little watch disappearance A family Goat like is just you know, kind of driving around. They go to a ghost town that's supposed to be like Nevada, but is actually a film in Australia, and there's it's like it's not found footage, but if there's like a little moment that feels like early found footage because they find the video of the people that previously were there and what happened.

This was like just a fun little TV movie that felt like actually had some some suspense going on with it, so I kind of liked it. I love like TV. Yeah, I love a good TV movie. This was on Amazon Prime. Oh fun, okay, okay, it's just a few more on also an Amazon Prime A newer movie.

I think it was last year with Arianna Debo's House of Spoils. That sounds familiar for sure. So this is the the biggest problem with I liked this. The problem with this movie is you go in and it feels like you are getting it's considered horror. It's in the horror section, but this ultimately is not a horror movie.

Uh. It's very the menu but not. It's a you know, a chef who goes to open like a new restaurant, sort of like in kind of like upstate New York. It's going to be an experienced type place, and she gets there and realizes like the place is probably haunted by somebody that might have been a witch that was killed there some time ago, and so she's trying to develop a menu. But it's also kind of like the food seems to be haunted and keeps turning to mold.

It feels very much more about like toxicity of food industry and all this. I believe it's written and directed by two women. I think it's a team. So there's a lot there and it feels like they're like, I think it's a blumhouse, so it's it feels like there was this could have been bigger or longer, or kind of like this is like the first run of this movie, because there's so much that it doesn't get to and it goes in a very different direction than what you're expecting, which I respect but also meant for, Like, oh, who is this movie for? Because anybody sitting down to watch this thinking they're getting horror movie is gonna walk away feeling like they kind of got not what they wanted.

What is the name of this movie again, House of spoil? House of Spoils? I couldn't think of the house part. I want to look it up because I feel like I knew what it was about. But I'm surprised by everything you're saying, so maybe I don't.

You might be thinking, Okay, the poster is familiar, but maybe I'm thinking of a different movie. I now suddenly feel very compelled to watch this. I'd be really curious what you think. And I think if you go in not like how do I say it? It feels like you're watching a movie that's gonna end in bloodshed, and that that's what you've signed up for, and that's what you want.

This movie has very different things to say, which I think is there's a twist in this movie that I actually think you would love and really appreciate. I'm going to tell you to watch this movie. I don't think everybody is going to like it, but I think this movie is trying to do something that's only going to work for like a specific audience, and I think you're part of that. Interesting. Okay, well, you know, maybe I'll give it a shot.

I would recommend restaurant horror exactly. There's not much of it, all right. There's also not much shoe horror, so that's always fun when you get a shoe horror. I watched The Red Shoes, not the ballet Red Shoes, but the Korean horror film Red Chowes from like early two thousands, I think, and it feels like an early two thousand's horror movie where it feels like fifteen minutes a little too long then it needs to be. But this was fun.

It's it literally is haunted cheese. There's a lot of things going on with what it's actually doing to the women it possesses, so I kind of liked this. It's visually pretty cool, doing a lot of very stylish things. It was on Canopy. I believe when I watched it.

That sounds very good. Also on Canopy, Everyone Will Burn. Isn't that a great title? It is? Yeah, this was a messy movie and I don't understand what actually happened in it, but I still loved it.

It is Spanish, Oh Spanish. Yeah. The lead actress is incredible. It's a kind of apocalyptic movie sort of. Oh, the lead actress is from Dag.

Yeah, she's incredible. Oh this and this is her movie, like with anybody else in that part. I don't know what this movie is, but it is. She is kind of this outcast in town. She lost her child some years earlier.

Her child was a dwarf. Her child was bullied and out of nowhere. This other child shows up and kind of says to her, Hey, we're gonna fuck shit up and kill everybody, and she's like all right. And it's very much about small towns, it's about Catholicism, it's about like there's a lot going on. It's gorgeous, it looks great.

Everybody is dressed in stylish ways. There are some things like acts of violence in this movie done in ways I have not seen before. It's really cool. It doesn't make any sense towards the end, I suddenly it goes off the rails, and I honestly could not tell you what happened in the last like twenty minutes. But I still would recommend watching it because it's really fun.

It looks really good. Yeah. Oh, another food movie I forgot this was on might have also been Canopy. Actually The Feast. It is a Gaelic Welsh Irish movie.

I think I think it's I think it's Welsh. I think it's in Will's kind of feels feels very like a twenty four ish of a very wealthy family in the countryside or hosting a dinner party. Oh yeah, okay, I remember this seeing this poster around. All right, I like this. It's I think you know where it's going once pretty quickly, and it doesn't really offer that much surprise.

But it's a nice like modern folk horror from a region I have not seen before. I'm a fan of just just that alone, then. I think you'll be satisfied by it. I have a lot to say also about the rich and so on. So interesting.

All right, Wow, you watch some some cool shit. I know. Sometimes I'm that kind of a cool shit. What can I say? Well, that's true most of the time.

Well, yeah, I'll do I'll do three quick more, okay. One on Shutter I'm curious if you've watched it, because I feel like it made its rounds a few weeks ago and then everybody kind of stopped talking about it. A's reel with Samorrow Weaving. I have not. I thought it didn't look like something I would like, so I deprioritized it.

I love her. I love that she also seems very committed to doing horror for ninety percent of her career, and I hope she continues to do it. She's yeah, so good in it. She like she knows how to be in a horror movie. She knows what to do with her face, she knows her features.

This is a very physical movie. This is a movie where nobody talks, so it's very much a physical performance. She's great. I found this movie very dull. This movie didn't work for me.

I was born. Yeah, there's a lot of not talking in it, right, Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing is that it's a post apocalypse where everybody has like cut out their tongue and doesn't talk, so which is fine, but yeah. It's just I personally haven't had a great run of luck with the we don't Talk movies, Like no dialogue.

There's not many. I mean the silence not good, A quiet place not for me. Yeah, and then there's the one, the alien one. Dennis we cat Caitlyn that I think, so, yeah, she's wonderful. She's wonderful.

So I really did watch that for her. And plus when you see like this, this is an un you know, uh, a strange script that really swept it's interesting. I want to see what your your converse strange script is. But like, none of the we Don't Talk movies have worked. So when I found out this one was a we don't Talk movie, I went like, I'll get around to it.

Yeah, it's fine. It just I don't know what it was about it. And part of it is, I mean if it feels pretty low budget, it's filmed in the woods, it's very brown, like, it's just it's not visually interesting. You I don't learn enough about these people to kind of figure out why they're doing what they're doing. There's like monsters that are cool looking, but they don't feel that like, I don't know you can't get enough of this character to understand like, oh, why is she And this isn't a spoiler.

It opens this way, like why is she trying to leave these people? Okay, tell me wait because you can't talk. I haven't understood anything going on. So it didn't Yeah, yeah, it just it felt like, yeah, but she's She's very good. A very long movie.

So again talking about being on a plane, which is a great opportunity to watch movies that you wouldn't otherwise watch. And so I'm on a plane to Vegas. So it's like a five and a half hour flight and I'm going through the list trying to find I'm like, okay, here's a movie that I've heard good things about, but it is a two and a half hour Korean horror film that I have never found time to carve out for. So I'm on a flight, let me do it. This was Eggzuma or Egzuma.

Oh yeah, okay, so I have heard very good things about this. I was into it and then realized, wait, is this the movie we're gonna tell for two and a half hours. Oh no, we're gonna We're switching gears. Okay, we're switching us again. The length of this movie, and like it's kind of ultimately what you get doesn't feel like it justifies the running time.

It feels like this would have been more interesting as a mini series because it starts one place, it kind of goes through a few kind of big acts I guess where you go from one setting to enough to sort of like the story shifting and then like the horror shifting with that that because of just the pacing of it, it just I don't know, it's just it went on too much for me. And I really thought if this had been broken up into a series, I think every episode would have been satisfying. But as a two and a half hour movie, it didn't fully come together for me. Interesting, Okay, now I'm actually even a little more. I would be curious because it might work much better for you.

Yeah, every time I do one of those hey recommend me a recent movie I might not have seen type of I guess a million people suggesting this one interesting And it's honestly the length that usually and it is incore. So it's a long movie that you were watching and reading and fully engaging with watching it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know I've told this this Harrowing Tale a lot where we go to pick movies at ten pm. Oh no, god, And now I'm not picking the hour thirty four minute or the one hundred and thirty four minute a Korean movie just because I can't physically do it. It's a different engagement completely, Yes, absolutely, yeah, all right, last thing that I watched.

We're going to go back in time to when little Emily would go to the video store and go to the horror section and basically would rent like every single thing she could see. And there was one movie that I would circle, like Peewe circling the Snake Tank because I'd look at that cover and go, oh god, that looks too much for me, because the cover had Ventriloquistummy on it and it looked horrifying, and I thought, I don't know, I don't know, maybe okay, fine, Finally I watched it, and then some you know, thirty for thirty something years later, I'm like, you know, I remember watching this movie as a kid, and I remember it being creepy, but not much else. So oh, look here it is on TV, and apparently it's only an hour.

In like eighteen minutes, it is time for forty three year old Emily to revisit Making Contact aka Joey rolland Emricks nineteen eighty six, I. Think nineteen eighty five. Five That says, Hi, do you. Never, oh Christine? This is honestly you just want to It's on two B.

It's very short. You watch this movie and you remember that we didn't have the Internet in the eighties, because otherwise Disney would have sued this movie to hell. It's Roland Emerick very clearly saying, okay, et worked, Poltergeist worked. What can I do? Okay, I know what you do.

I am gonna make my German melding of these two movies. I believe he even like it's filmed in Germany, and I think just everybody is dubbed. I think it was done in a way where it's like this is It's the most like commercial version of this except it also has this very weird subplot where it's like a little boy whose dad died. What do you know? Because again it's being Spielberg, and he finds a ventriloquist dummy.

The ventriloquist dummy is look at the picture of that thing, Christy. Look at it. No, I'm I am looking at it. It's disgusting. Doesn't look like it's from eighty five.

I can't explain to you what I mean by that. Yeah, but it doesn't look like a design from that time. No, Well, the dummy is supposed to be like nineteen twenties era, and the dummy, the dummy doesn't. Oh god, the dummy will like. What the dummy does is it turns its head and it like opens its big giant blue eyes and it just drops its jaw and goes and then stuff moves around the room.

To a degree, it looks ahead of its Timeue hmm. Okay, okay, but I would I. Have a serious question for you. A lot of your origin story is based on is based on Child's Play, and like your interactions with that film at such an early age, have you dug into this movie? You seem to be have been very affected by this movie.

I've literally never heard of. Well, and the weird thing about it is that I because this is a movie. So again for me, the thing about Child's Play, the thing about a lot of those that particular breed of evil doll or evil small thing movie is that the target is a child, right, even Poltergrist. Right, it's a doll strangling a little kid, and as a little girl, like I was a little blonde girl when I was young, and so whenever I would see like Poltergeist, I would put myself into Caroline shoes and it you know, so it always it got me or Katsi, my god kats I Drew Berry Moore and Katsi because my nickname as a kid was Firestarter because I had blonde hair and I was always hot at night, so my parents had to turn the fan on for me, and so they called me fire Starter.

That's adorable. I didn't know you were blonde. I was blonde until I was about like five. Yeah. My mother used to tell people it was because Robert Redford was my father.

I love that. Yeah. I mean I kind of looked a bit Asian as a baby, and people used to my mom used to say the mailman was my father. I don't. I don't, I guess because I I don't know, I had I had features that people didn't attribute to my mom class together, so they would ask in a very rude eighties way.

I think sure. So she used to just say, yeah, that's the mailman. Oh yeah, Because all my whole family, we all had had brown hair or dark hair, and I just for whatever reason, it was blonde for a long time. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, So I had a lot of a lot of times I would identify with like little t very more and and again in Cat's Eye when she's tortured by a little troll and her cat protects her, like again, right there, I guess this is very much the birth of me.

But so Joey making contact. The thing about that movie is that it starts kind of as at least to me as a kid, and watching it again, it feels like you're watching a Poultergeist type horror, and then it sort of shifts into my god, it is. It is hilarious how much of a ripoff it is of ET because at a certain point, like the you know they call in the not like the science version of the fbis the Houses under Tents, and we're like, oh, this is just ET completely. And meanwhile then it kind of turns into like it a little bit because there's bullies, because of course there's bullies. That there were bullies and all these other eighties movies and Roland Emmerick is very clearly making a checklist of things that are commercial at this time and putting them in this movie.

So then it's like all the bullies come and they try to help the kid, and it's like all of them are seeing their biggest fear and like one of their biggest fear is a giant hamburger, one of their biggest fear is Darth Vader like and so literally there is a guy in a Darth Vader costume with a red lightsaber in this movie, and you're thinking lawsuits. Like there's Daffy Duck bed sheets. There's a moment when like toys are flying around the room and it's all Disney characters and Star Wars characters, and it's just so mind boggling to watch today because no movie would have like this movie would get sued for so much money to do that. But it kind of loses It's like horror footing at a certain point.

So then like the dummy is not the scary thing, and it kind of goes into other directions. But the dummy. As soon as the stummy showed up and opened its mouth and went nah I did, I felt my entire body just get very like I just like I was like shrinking into the sunken place of my recliner because it was so upsetting to me, and I think I did have a nightmare about this Ventillica stummy. I just don't like them. I don't like that they target children because they can, because it's easy too, and children will believe them, but then nobody will believe the child.

So then the child is like, knows that this toy is after them, but nobody believes them about this. And it's very upsetting. And yes, there are a lot of things going on there. I don't know if you said it when you started to describe this, but I it took me by surprise to see that Roland Emrick also wrote it. Yeah, oh, and he was.

He was writing a movie that he knew would work because it worked overseas. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it's very strange because I think, I mean Roland Emmerick obviously is a filmmaker. I mean he has creativity in his bones, but he is also very much a technician, both on set but also I think on the page, and I think he is when he has written any one of his scripts, he knows like, okay, Independence Day, Well the dog's got all we have to have a moment where the dog lives. We have to have this romance, we have to have this character die.

Like I think there is very much a formulaic, you know, save the cat type style to his filmmaking. And this is an interesting way of seeing it because you can tell like you almost can see him going and getting funding for the movie and having a version of the script to one investor that's highlighting the nineteen twenties aspect and then bringing it to another investor and highlighting the et like part of it. Like it doesn't feel like a creative endeavor. It feels like a mass But it's also got a really creepy and Endrila was dummy in it. So I again, I don't want to continue to take this even longer than it needs to be.

But I'm now staring at Roland emmerick'sography phomography, and very rarely does he write solo. He usually is writing with a credit with someone else. But and the same is true as this movie too, so it's not his singular vision. But I'm looking at a nineteen eighty seven film called Ghost Chase aka Hollywood Monster. Well that sounds fun and the cover of it, oh god, it's chilly again.

It is Jesus. It reminded me of what of the film we were just speaking of. But it seems like there's somebody inhabiting an old grandfather. Clause in it. Inhabit the body of an alien and persuades the two filmmakers to track down an old house that will resolve a family scandal.

So I'm pretty sure I need to watch this movie. I definitely need to watch this movie. And it looks like, based on the picture that they took the prop from Joey making contact and then just like added fur to it to make it look like. Oh wow. The trailer is playing now and I'm getting vibes.

Oh okay, we need to Oh god, he just showed up. Oh no, he looks like Hoggle a little bit too. It's two years after making contact, so maybe they learned something with their little weird puppet that made people upset. This movie is gonna make me upset. I'm watching the trailer un mute and it's creepy as fuck.

Oh god, he kind of looks like Troll, and Troll also really upset me as a kid. It's it's weird. When you get deep into his filmography, you start to see surprising things. It's really that. I mean that trajectory to have gone fairly quickly from this just I guess Stargate was like the dip into you can give this guy independence day mm hm m hmm.

Fascinating. It's interesting, interesting stuff. Well, one of us should watch Ghost Chase. We're both gonna try. It's not streaming anywhere, but you tell me if you find it, because I'm gonna work.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I can rent it. Yeah, Ghost Chase, Ghost Chase. Okay, let's see us on DVD anywhere. I believe you had one more?

Did you not? I have one More? And it's a movie that apparently is very divisive that I actually hadn't known anything about. It is a twenty twenty five film. I watched it because I thought it seemed interesting, and I am just so sad more people aren't watching and talking about it.

So this is twenty twenty five's opus, directed by somebody named Mark Anthony Green. So it's not really a person and I know, and it stars I am I saying her name right. She's just the wind beneath my wings and my person. She's just so cool, like when you see her in interviews you're like, Oh, you're really cool. She's everything.

And the thing with I I've noticed is that she tends to be in things that I want to watch. Yeah, I think she has a very I think she wants to do stuff that she finds interesting and funny. And I like her. I think she's very smart and I trust her taste. You don't want to say that and sound like you're in a parasocial relationship with like an actor, but like I to the it's to the point where I'll kind of just watch anything that she's in because I trust her.

Get that. So, like, I saw this and I read the synopsis and it's basically a young writer and an old pop star and also a cult and I'm like, oh, okay, well put that shit in a blender and give it to me any way you want. It's kind of how I felt. And then you watch it and it's like this multi media experience, like they actually produced songs for the aging pop star who is John Malkovich. So John Malkovich sings three songs, we get to hear the songs.

It's it's like, I don't know, man, I found it completely relevatory, so like enveloping and like. What genre would you call this? I guess it's it's horror in the sense that horrific things happen. But it a lot of the complaints I guess I saw in the letterbox reviews where people saying it was too much like things like the menu and and like. That's this weird backlash to insulting movies by calling them like the menu in so and so the menu in this place of work, Like it's a it's an odd thing where I feel like that movie, which I love, like tipped people a certain way, where as soon as they can see that movie in another movie, they instantly kind of write it off.

It's it's weird because like, do people not know that that's how movies get made. You just you basically say. Oh I heard on a plane diard. Yeah, so this is this is face off but they're both women, or like this is I'm looking at just looking at my movies. This is the descent, but instead of creatures, it's like a cult.

Like I don't know, like you just that's how we're there's only so many stories to tell and whom we're told them all and now we are just rewriting them content. Yeah. So like so to and also to reduce it down to that is to me not to be like my own ass. But it's missing the point a bit because the story is about class, but it's all also about creativity in class. So there's this kind of the overarching theme of it is that the creative people should be at the top essentially, and everyone else should exist to allow their creativity.

And it's kind of like, well, that's a different view of class. It's not necessarily driven by money. Of course things in this story are driven by money, but it's not essentially the only thing. It's also about like are you a more deserving human being because you're a creator versus a consumer? And I thought that was an interesting question to ask me the viewer of this film.

Plus there's the songs. Plus Io is beautiful, wonderful, hilarious. Amber mid Thunder is in it, and she's so lovable and funny. It's confusing, in strange in it. In it it's off putting at times and kind of gross at other times.

I don't know, it's like it is beautiful. There's like the way that they like introduced the title card. I was just like, Oh, we're making a fucking movie. I guess it's so exciting to feel like you're watching like a passion project, you know, I know what you mean. I felt that a little bit with when I sat down the other day for Everyone Will Burn, because I feel like I watched a lot of kind of like crappy or just you know, like little things here and there, and I sat down to that and the way it opens and the like the music us during the credits, I have that same feeling of like woo, like I'm putting everything away, like like you could see me like taking my arms and like brushing everything off my chair to move forward and lean in and be like I'm watching this movie.

I'm not doing anything else. I'm watching this movie. And it's exciting when you're like I'm watching a movie. Yeah, And it felt that way. It really did.

And I think Zach did a little bit of digging on the on the filmmaker. I guess he maybe was a writer for GQ, which. That's what came up. Yeah, because I guess, yeah, last first film. So that informs it too a lot.

It's like, I don't know, man, it was a lot of fun and I get like maybe the criticisms of it and it was a little weird and stuff engross and nice, but like, I don't know, guys, why do we not like something just because triangle sadness exists? Like we should be we should be allowed to. It's almost like the people not remember like when the Slasher happened and then everything was just a slasher with a different holiday or setting or weird hook or weapon. It's like, just enjoy. Wait, this is how it goes.

You can get tired of it. You could say like, yeah, I'm kind of over those kinds of movies or this take on that story again, Like I know, I certainly feel that way on certain things. Sure, but it's not you know, like in ten years you're gonna and just I mean just the fact that we are now in a place where everybody is craving late nineties content and early two thousands content, like it's gonna happen like it. Let it might not hit you now, but it will circle back and then you'll say, gee, why do we all sleep on that? So I exactly, And it's kind of like, oh, I'm so glad we had that class consciousness boom of the like of the twenty twenties or something it's just I take a step back and don't dislike a movie because it resembles another popular movie.

It's weird, but that's that's how it's always gonna be. Yeah, when it comes to like regular streaming, because I don't think it's like it's not yet. It's rentable for like twenty bucks right now, So I will scream. About it because I feel like people should watch this movie. Yeah, I want to see it, so remind me when the time comes.

Yes, I will. Nice. That was a good batch of stuff. I think so too. I feel like I'm walking away with a little list of things you may.

Same here, same, all right, excellent. Well that's about it for us. I guess when let's let's talk off Mike about what we might want to do next, because now I've got ideas. Yeah, okay, sounds good. All right, so everybody fine.

Christine christin Meekpeas dot com. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, go buy your books they're great. Thank you, and read your stuff. It's fabulous.

Thank you. Same with Emily. I think she's still blogging. Yeah, I am Daily dollas House dot com. You can read stuff about many of the movies I talked about now, yeah, all right, Well we will probably be next.

We don't know if we're going to sound different on zoom. I don't know. I hope I have a robot voice. Oh, I hope I have it. I don't know what kind of voice I want.

Maybe you know, something with it with a little twirl to it, a little panache. I don't know what that would mean. Yeahsatlantic transatlantic? Oh okay, I could just the next time we record, I'm just gonna be Katherine Eppurn. Ha's that.

Yeah, I think you should. I have a sucker for a transatlantic accept so I would not stop. I know what my homework is, all right, everybody, thanks for listening. Goodbye. My mind's made up.

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