Stocking Stuffer 10.5 Three Wiser Men and a Boy with Brandi and Dave Jackola

All right, well, welcome to another stocking stuffer. And this is not just like a single stocking stuffer. This is not even just a double stocking stuffer. This is a triple stocking stuffer in more ways than one, because I am joined by two people, So there are three of us here that are going to talk about a movie that also is about three individuals, and then a fourth and it's a sequel. So if you multiply that, I'm not good at math, I think we're at something like nine hundred and twenty seven.

And the movie in question, as you heard, is Three Wiser Men and a Boy. But more importantly my yesterday are the wonderful, lovely Brandy and Dave. Welcome, thank you, hell going to have us again. Well, when we saw that there was a sequel to the twenty twenty two hit film Three Men, Three Wise Men and a Baby, which is really annoyingly, the sequel is not called three Wiser Men and a Baby. It's now three Wiser Men and a Boy.

And I have not been able to I know, every time I say it, I keep saying baby, which is not a baby, it's a kid now. But it's fine. Uh yeah, there was no way we could not revisit that because the first one was a delight. You two have been brought me nothing but good film so far. So there's also that, right, because last year, do you remember the film we covered.

Yeah, it was Mystic Christmas with. The seal and with great pea coats and with like cute leads and so you know, you guys are on a roll. So hopefully this one continues that that trend with the same kind of the same crew, but not entirely right, it's the same director. It's a Terry Ingram. He directs a lot for us, Yes he does.

Yes, And weirdly, I don't think aside from Three Wisemen and a Baby, I don't know that I've seen any of the other ones he's directed, unless they're ones that were like kind of generically titled to where I just don't remember them anymore because I'm but the writers I was going crazy was the first film was just written I Paul Campbell and Kimberly Susten, Right, and now this one they brought in a third. Now do you recognize the third screenwriter? Russell Hayneline. He's he's having a big year, a big year this Christmas year. I've thought his name on some things.

Uh uh, I don't know about you guys. Now to me, what I keep anecdotically hearing, like from what I call civilians, You know, people that don't spend hours at a time watching these movies and tearing them apart. They keep saying to me, Hey, I know you watch those movies. Have you watched Hot Frosty? Right?

Yeah, so he is the screenwriter of Hot Frosty as well, Dear, I'll leave that there. Then, I I rather enjoyed Hot Frosty with Fozzi. Yes, yeah, it is the Snowman come to life. But he's still a snowman. So what happens if I have my friend, I'm gonna shout out my friend Pam, who could just kept having a real problem without Frosty thinking if he eats pizza, he's gonna die, If he has sex, he's gonna die.

Anything heat into his inner body is gonna kill him. We don't get into those territories. And three wives are men and a boy. Although again I'm laughing because I keep seeing Hallmark is always tvg right, all the movies PGG. And yet I'm like, there are things in this movie and like, I mean, I'm saying this as if like I am clutching my church pearls.

But it's like, oh, a character he drinks wine. There was a day where if you had a character drinking wine, it could not be TVG. Yeah, they actually have wine and beer in Hallmark movies a lot. Yeah, there was a movie, A very Vermont Christmas. I don't know if you guys saw that one, where the entire plotline is a brewery.

It is a local brewery that has to come up with a new Christmas recipe. And I'm like, but it's alcohol, Like, I just isn't there supposed to be some supervision? And I don't know what this has done to me because there was a time when I mean, I was five years old watching a spit on your grave, and yet now I'm bothered by the fact that he might see a beer anyway. Three Wiser Men and a Baby, So why don't can we get first a recap of the first film like in a nutshell, and then we'll talk about a recap of this one. Uh yeah, I'll go for that.

Three Wise Men and a Baby. So three brothers who are all at different places in their lives, but two of which lives still at home, one in the basement and one in the carriage house or you know house, uh, back behind Mom's house. And the oldest brother, who is a fireman, has a baby dropped off at the firehouse with a note saying, please take care of Thomas. I will be back before Christmas, and they decide not to call child services because it's at night he's on the overnight shift, and instead they take the baby home to Mom, and wackiness ensues because none of them, except for Mom, knows how to care for a baby. But Mom has to go out of town because her sister has a concussion and someone needs to be here with her, so that gets Mom out of the way for the antics of these three guys learning how a baby works.

Yeah yeah, and end up, of course falling in love with the baby. And there I could go on for like half an hour, but I don't want to go over the entire plot. Basically, the mom comes back towards the end of the movie, oldest brother falls in love with that mom, and you don't actually see that happen so much, but you see it in the what I call visual epilogue. Yes, and what was it a one year later visual epilogue or was it just a like, yeah, it's Christmas, and like, clearly now they're a. Family yet No, it's the kid's definitely older.

Okay, so it was one year later. They're together now, and that's where we pick up now with three wiser men. It's the oldest son is Chum Terry Barry, Brian you thank you. The eldest son is Luke Lucas. I remembered this because I went, okay, I'm going to remember these three names.

I went, well, they're alphabetical. So there's Lucas. There's Stephen or Stephan Stephan, yes, because they call him Steph for short, which I thought it was. Yes, which was very I could I'll go on about Stephan, but yes, it was an odd way of of nicknaming a man. Yes.

And then finally we have Taylor because of his sign that he had in the coffee shop because he got kicked out of his actual office. Yes apartment grammatically incorrect sign. I mean taylored with the n apostrophe and seven E. But yes, yeah, that's nice. Figure what that what that was?

Because it was like Taylor At first I thought it was supposed to be like some kind of icon apostrophe ass and but then I thought, I'm like, oh, is it is that it? Because then the shape next to it didn't look like an ass, So it was one of those poor graphic No wonder why he hasn't sold his video games, right, he have good designers on staff, so that's a problem. And now tailored games but without an E why not A yeah? I mean I guess with the ta y is the pun because his name is felled that way, so it's not tailored. But still it just it didn't quite work the way they were hoping.

So at the start of this movie, now Luke is married, right or assumingly, I mean he's with the mom of the baby. They're raising the kids five, five or six. Now Stephan is still with the woman we left him with, sus They are not engaged. They have presumably been together now for five years, and it's one of those relationships where she's clearly expecting him one day to propose, but has never actually said anything about that, so he has no idea what happened. And then here's the first thing I really appreciated is that the end of the first movie, because I didn't get to watch it again.

So a lot of it was in the very very back of my head, but I remembered enough to remember, like, oh yeah, at the end of the first movie, they all had love interests, right, right, And in this one, like Taylor's love interest is gone, but there's no mention of her because like, yeah, it's been five years. This isn't the kind of guy that's gonna stay with like a woman he was kind of compatible with five years ago, Like there's no reason to harp on, like, well, remember what happened with her, like like eight different girlfriends since then. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, youngest, youngest child. Yes, we get around. The interesting thing is is that in that final scene in Three Wise Men and a Baby, the Taylor and Fiona, not to be confused with Fiona Room who plays right, played Fiona played by the amazing Ali Liebert.

She's the writer, director, producer, amazing. They they were talking, but there was no intimacy going on there, Like we see Luke Kiss's wife, we see Susie and Stephan Kiss, but those two we do not kiss. And in fact, this is still to date the only movie where Tyler Hines playing Tyler has not kissed the woman in a movie. Oh yeah, kiss a lot. Yeah.

I mean, what is interesting? I still think something that is very fresh about this particular movie or franchise. I guess because I'm sure they'll make a third one, I feel like they kind of have to just kind of have an off. Yeah. I guess it's like three wisest men and a teenager, right, it's gonna be the next progression is I like thinking of how it's like three men who I guess probably wanted to work together and they figured out like how to make a project, and they brought Kimberly Slustad on to help write it.

And I was thinking to myself, I'm like, oh, like they know each other from being in the movies together. And then I realized, like, rarely would two of them have been in the same movie, right, because usually, like all of these guys always played the love interest. Maybe there was a movie where like one was like the fiance that gets left for like the new love interest. But for the most part, it wasn't that they probably worked in a specific film together, but that they were just like around each other, filming on the same set at different times of the day, or doing the conventions together and probably like kind of figured out their chemistry that way. Actually, they've known each other for a long time time.

In fact, Andrew Walker, who plays Luke, he is married to Tyler Hines's cousin. Oh wow, this gets wild. Okay, the webbs we weave, I love it. So he's married to Tyler's cousin, Cass and they have two sons. And Tyler and Andrew already knew Paul.

Like all of them, they're not just friends at conventions. They are friends always. And that's the interesting thing about a lot a lot of these Hallmark people is that they are friends always. And Kimberly, Sustad and Paul have been friends for a long time too, So all of these all of these perfect things. Basically, those three boys decided they wanted to be in the same movie together because they're like, we would have so much fun.

You know, they're basically family to each other, and basically they wanted to do it. I think it was during a sort of behind the scenes thing when The Three Wise Men and a Baby premiered two years ago, because they were doing these little short things that they put during the commercial breaks, and I think Andrew asked Paul is like, why why did you want to do this movie? He said, yeah, I wanted to work with Tyler. And it works well. Too because their friendship, their closeness that they're brothers is believable completely when they're pointing fingers at each other because they're blaming themselves for the whole fiasco that happened, and during that little rehearsal, oh.

Yeah, yeah, they have chemistry. They have absolutely believable brother friendship chemistry. And they play off each other really well. And I think they all too, like because they've been in so many of these movies, Like they know the tone, they know like the rhythm, they know it so well that like they they can play off different actors very well. That's funny because I just watched Paul Campbell, who I was not like, had not seen him in many things and a lot to say later, but I just watched him in the Santa stakeout, which was from I think two or three years ago, and he's very different in that, like he is playing like, you know, like unshaven police guy who does who's really dirty?

Like complete one hundred and eighty flip of Stephan And it's one of those like, oh I wonder also how much at this point because they do so many of them, like they do get to like pick and say like no, I'm gonna go for a big swing and do something very different. So it's I don't know, it's they have more range, I think than they're often given credit for. I agree completely, especially where Paul Campbell is concerned, because the first time I ever saw him was in Battlestar Galactica, the New battlestarglet Oka, of course, and he, in fact, I would recommend one of his My favorite movies of his is with Kimberly Sustead and it's called Christmas by Starlight and it is a great movie. Dave loved it. So so Dave loved it, then you know.

It's good all right, and I'm putting it on the list. Yeah. He was just like, I'm invested in this. I want to know what happens. Every now and then it will happen where like if my husband's there in the room, he's like, oh this is that it was actually funny, And it's like just a way of saying like that was not Hallmark funny.

That was funny for a movie, and it's excited, So why don't we go into the story of three wiser men in a baby if one of you could take over give us the plot synopsis of this one. Uh, mom's dating a new guy. Yes she is dat, Yeah, Pastor Roy, And good for her because she has been alone for a really, really long dam and she deserves this, especially after her can I say, asshole husband left her and the kids. So mister Roy has this kind of Jason Bourne energy where he can do anything. I have a complete set of skills in every single area that this movie is going to require.

My only flaw it's that I am wearing, in my husband's words, a Ronald Reagan wig. In that first scene, he has got there like gray Pompadour esque girl going on that. I just had to look. I'm like, I don't I I I did. What was the choice here?

Why? Who? Who? Let that happen? But again, it was probably filmed in ten minutes, so they didn't have much time to tame a wig or whatever it was.

Yeah. So basically all three of them are at points in their lives where Luke Snell fire chief and we've got problems. Yeah, that maybe why he became fire chief, not going on on the trucks as off. Yeah, well he's forty two, which the movie makes a big thing about, which makes me flinch because I too am pretty too and that and Lacy Shaver is also I believe forty two. And this was the whole year of Hallmark.

Maybe somebody in Hallmark saying Lacy Schabe is old, but then thinking in this movie, I'm like, wait, so how old can a man be? And so on? But yes, Lucas feeling his age. Yeah, Lucas feeling his age. We've got Stephan writing a new book about anxiety and having a very terrible radio interview don't ever do morning shows?

Scene was very funny too. Again, it was just like this belongs in any comedy movie, like this isn't just Hallmark. It is funny. Well, and chestnuts on the open fire can kill you. Can kill you.

Yeah. The The interesting thing is he talks about how this process helped him conquer his anxiety. That's not how anxiety. You know, it is not well, And again credit to the movie that he treats it correctly, like it is very easy to put a button on, like, oh, we'll see, everything's fine because he found his partner and things are good. Now.

And this movie opens with like, yeah, no, it doesn't. You don't. It's an ark. It's it's always gonna be there and you're gonna manage it, but that it's the part of life. So yeah, appreciate I should know I have anxiety.

Sure I could identify with the poor man, But at the same time, I'm like, ohn it already, yes, come on, and I haven't you put a ring on that? Exactly? Exactly? Come on? When you go bends down to tie his shoe in the park after giving flowers to his girlfriend, it's like, hello, can't you see her reaction is like marry me?

Yeah, well, he's too tied up in his anxiety that he's pretending he doesn't have. And then we have Taylor, who is again alone, has no apparent girlfriend. We think he's in an office trying to sell his video game online to an investor, and they don't want They don't want him to partner with them. They want to just buy it and market it themselves, and he doesn't want to do that. This is his baby, you know, And turns out he's you find out later he's not in an office.

You don't see that in this sort of opening thing. But he's getting evicted from his apartment yep, so gets an eviction notice and the landlord is not taking any of his stuff, his platitudes, I guess. So now he's going to be homeless. And that's yeah. It's interesting because we think Taylor's got his stuff maybe a little more together at the end of the first movie, but no, no, he still.

Does he did five years ago. But you know, life's hard. So then we get the kind of the main I guess plot of this movie. It's a very thin plot in many ways. The whole trajectory is the boys that accidentally destroy the Thomas is the kid's name right, yep?

His Christmas pageant. They drive the director away from the production, and now the three guys have to direct, produce, choreograph the big Christmas show. Well those are. Basically considering how they reacted to taking care of the baby in the first movie. Is it really any surprise?

Now? This is just making me hope the next film is about puberty and I know. Yeah. Well, the thing is that Hallmark fans are very particular and they really really love these boys, and they really really love these boys together. So because there was not a sequel, planned when the movie aired and there was outcry from so many viewers.

So I'm picturing the petition that went around on the same Christmas holiday letterhead that the landlord used to evict Taylor. Yep. In this movie, I definitely had a lot of a lot of signatures. Yeah, so it does feel a little bit like a And even this is something I both like and then also could maybe fault the movie for is the each character's kind of arc is not that like And I watched it today and I couldn't easily tell you so where do character go from A to B? Like who are they change at the end of the movie, And it's not that easy to kind of walk through each one and figure that out.

Because also it's like, well, it feels like they really did just want to get everybody together again and make the move and make another one of these. And I wonder even in the script writing how that worked. I went back to see if it was, like because on IMDb a lot of times for Hallmark movies, they don't have like up to date credits, so they have the three screenwriters just listed together, and I was curious. I'm like, oh, did Paul Campbell and Ghiberly Sustin actually write it or was it like based on the characters, and then Russell Hanlan actually wrote the script. But it's like looks like it's all three of them.

But I wonder if it was like they did a draft and it was like, Okay, now we have to we have to start filming soon. So Russell Hanlan take a take a swipe through it and maybe put it together more carefully or something. But it does kind of like this is like the definition of like a hangout movie in some ways, you know, like a dazed and confuse where it's like we just wanted to see these people interact together. I see it differently. I actually caught a theme and that was about aging.

Okay, these these three brothers, they're aging up and they still have this idea of who their mother is. And that's another dating is weird to them because you know, they're adults and they're still thinking somewhat like children and they still have somewhat of, you know, a childlike view of the world. Is the you know, the firefighter becoming fire chief and not being included in the stuff the firefighters are doing, going out on calls, right doing the fundraising the. Little activities that like managers or bosses don't have to do. It's intended for the lower levels.

Yeah, he's doing paperwork while everybody else is doing the fun stuff, and he feels left out and also overworked because there's stuff that you know, he's doing as a dad that's getting overlooked, like he accidentally took his son's lunch with him to work yep. And with Stephen, he's not committing to the relationship. Yep. He's unaware that his girlfriend wants to marry even though they're living together and there's several references that they're living together and have been for like five years. He's not putting a ring on it.

Is that kind of arrested development. And then Taylor, you know, he's got that you know, youngest child baby child syndrome where he's not achieving and he's not going that step that you have to compromise sometimes as an adult you can't have it all. It's like, if if you have a game that's going to sell and somebody wants to buy it, go ahead and sell it. You know, does your name mean that much? Does your attachment to the game mean that much?

When you know you can just go and work on the next project and maybe that will be the thing for you. Just make the money now so you can survive and then go on to the next project. So they're all kind of locked into this arrested development thing, and I think the arc of the story is that they learn that, yeah, they're a bit older, and some of that is accepting Roy into the family. Yeah, is a new father figure. But even with that, Taylor, I'm going to I can't remember if he's Taylor or Tyler, so I'm just gonna end up rotating between both.

He doesn't sell right at the end. He is still holding on to that game. Yeah, he still holds on to it. But that's his love interest too, is just him but female, and she's she's doing the same kind of thing. Is she got kicked out of the band because she thought she was better than them and claims that she is, and she's waiting around for this miracle record deal that might never happen.

And she's also living in her parents' basement, and so I I think that's the same kind of scenario, is that. And when they're having that that talk to talk, you know, the minivan scene, which is a mirror of the previous mini van scene when they're just speaking truth and they even make a choke and hang a lanner on it. What is with this minivan? Is there a gas week or something that just yeah, it becomes a confessional and they all something about that. The positioning of maybe it's like sitting where you don't have to directly look at somebody, like somebody's in the backseat.

The two if you are next to each other, so you can kind of look in different directions, but you're in a contained space and you can there or pour out your deepest feelings and fears about life. Yeah, they just lay it out. And even Taylor says, I probably should sell the game. So he's, you know, he's thinking about it. He knows that it's the right thing to do, but he still doesn't do it.

So, yeah, he doesn't necessarily grow, but at least he's aware a. Little more aware situation. Yeah. Well, and I think the relationship that he ends up in, which it will be very funny. As much as I loved it, like I thought that they were great, I thought they had chemistry, it would be funny if the next movie we never hear about her again and again.

It ends with him on Christmas morning, bringing a new love interest to the Christmas Morning the way which seems very awkward to me, but that sometimes when you see somebody who is doing what you're doing, it's like the you need that mirror in order to see it in yourself of Oh, I've been complaining about things. Oh I you know, I manage a certain way. Oh look at that manager. Oh oh wait a minute, am I Oh I need to I can't be that person, so adjust So in a way like there's like a dangerous when too kind, not toxic, but like when two people in a bad place are together, it can be bad if they bring each other down, but can also mean Oh when you're that close to something you you it helps you see what you're doing wrong.

It's like when two creatives form a relationship, you get this With actors, a lot is there becomes this kind of competition, is who's getting the more work, who's more in the public eye, And that can put a strain on the relationship. And so when you find somebody who's an actor married to a director, an actor married to a cameraman, there's something about, you know, the solid worker married to the creative type where you know that seems to work better. Yeah, you'll often find, you know, somebody in the creative world married to somebody with the really stable more job. That makes sense. I will say this, Tyler Hines has chemistry with everyone.

He does with every great yep. So there's never any doubt that if Tyler Hines is in a movie, he's going to have charisma. He's going to have a connection with that female, even if the female is not a great actor, He's going to do it. That's just how he rolls. Yeah.

No, he's got that thing. I mean, I think, and it's a combination of like natural charisma but also impeccable timing. And he absolutely knows how to have a dialogue scene with somebody and make it pop and make it sexy or make it funny. Like he You're right, he is somebody that throw him with anybody and it's so watchable. Yeah.

Well, he's been doing this since he was eight, so it's not like experienced. Well, they say the same thing about Robert Downey Junior is that he has that way of like he's in a scene with Gwyneth Paltrow and getting something from her. It's amazing because. She is a hell and he hasn't invested in her company. Yeah, so yeah, that you can draw something out of the actor you work with because you're that good that they kind of step up to meet you at your level.

So I think he's got that going for him very much. And he's extremely humble, which is really. Well he is Canadian, Yeah, but they really. Were not humble. You never would have guessed that there were Canadians in.

This movie, yeah, never, never. Yeah, the what are you talking about? That accent slips out a little bit here. And there, mostly with Andrew Walker. I would say I think he's he's by far the biggest and maybe it's just because like I don't know, Like, look, if you're trying to hide it, then just like have a list of words that you don't put in your script, right, don't have s O R R Y, and don't have a b o ut, Like just don't let a Canadian say sorry, and the Canadian then won't say so, and then you won't immediately go Canada.

So yeah, Tyler spends a lot of time in uh Los Angeles. Actually he on his IMDb profile it says that he lives there now. So he's worked his way out of that. Uh that constant here. Yeah, the thing as you moved to la as an actor and then you end up filming everything in Vancouver anyway.

Yeah, at that point in Utah, Utah, we get a lot of Hallmark movies filmed here. Park City, parks. Okay, not just Park. City, they filed a hell of a lot of them. Yeah, well Bountiful, Bountiful, Utah.

Really, yes, yes, there are so many. Anytime you see a suburb in a movie that was played that was filmed in Utah, it was filmed in Bountiful, I promise you that. And that is the city next to the city where I grew up. So yeah, they're practically one city now. They just flow into one another.

All right. So now this one doesn't quite follow all the tropes just because it isn't a direct love story. But I think we could still talk through that. So number one usually being our lead need of a lesson. I mean, we have three, and I think we covered a lot of it.

But so do we feel like they all did grow in this? Uh two of the three at least? Well. The interesting thing about Taylor is most people when they meet a well in this case, I pegged it before it was even spoken in the script, I said, oh, she is basically him in female form yep. And then the next scene that's when the both of the guy's like, yeah, she's you dude.

And I think that most people, when they come up against someone who is so much like them, they usually repel each other, right, And so it's interesting that he is compul lately into it. Well also like, isn't that just like the sign of a narcissist? But I finally found the perfect woman. She's you, right. It's like the Loki with Loki kind of thing, right right.

Right right. But sometimes that means that you can just understand each other better. They seem to be pretty open about their own flaws. So yeah, he has confessed that he's basically homeless to her and she's like, yeah, me too, so am I. But it's kind of cool because I don't they're rent.

I'm living in my parents' basement. Do you think that relationship is going to last? Or rather, let me ask how long will that relationship last? Maybe a year. If if one of them gets their their big deal.

I'm thinking maybe that would be the end of it, But I don't know. It's hard to say, because it's such an un likely pairing that I don't know how it's how it would work out. I think weirdly. I think the one way it could work out is if they become business partners and she does music for his games. Oh okay, Dave, you and your imagination.

I love you. That's so great. I love that. That would be so cool. It also would be beneficial for both.

Also, Tyler gets to kiss the girl, and man that man knows how to kiss, well kiss. Yeah, I need to add like a bonus for that, because the almost kiss is that it is very fun to see sometimes like how contrived the interruption is, right, But in this one it's it's cute because it's just like, oh, there are a dozen children staring at us as we almost kiss. And that makes sense because they go to this arcade as a first date, and of course, you know, the kids have a good chance of being there. Yeah, and also an arcade is a very good first date. I'm going to vouch for that.

I agree. I agree completely. So now it's okay, we kind of come the love interest then, so let's talk about the setting. We are back in Spruce Scrove. Do we know where this one was filmed?

Is it filmed in Canada? I'm sure it was filmed in Canada. Yeah, it felt like it, but I don't see it on the IMDb page. Yeah, I'm I honestly, I should just go back and try and watch the credits because sometimes they do that thing where they squish the credits into one side. It's so hard to watch the credits on these movies.

You kind of have to wait for it to be on Petecock a year from now, where it like you can actually see it full screen because on these it's just always like immediately going into the next movie, so it just gets into that TV tiny window. Yeah, Or you could get a Hallmark Plus, which I h well, no. Wait, wait, so question because you have Hallmark Plus. I was under the impression that twenty twenty four movies were not going to be on Hallmark Plus, that you had to wait next year they'll show up on Hallmark Plus. Or did Hallmark change it because they got into so much trouble when people realize that.

It's interesting because there are things that are exclusive to the streaming service that you will not ever probably see on. The movies though, or like, yes, is that were the Ohn movies. Yeah, I watched a whole series, well four movies about these four girls who in college came up as their term project to make a business plan for a rapping story. You know, not just all year round, not just Christmas, but. All right right, all your around rapping.

They decided to try putting it into practice, and they're successful at it, and you know, these are the women. However, many years later, ten fifteen years later, and they each get their own love story, and each love story is a movie, but all of them intersect with each other. Okay, interesting, Yeah, I I cause I don't have I have enough streaming that I'm not paying for any more streaming services. And I had figured on the Hallmark Channel. Because here's what's funny too, and this is still happening.

I have cable. I don't have the fancy cable, but I have like decent cable where I get like sports channels and a lifetime but I don't get TCM, let's say. But the weird thing is I don't get the If I flip to the Hallmark channel, I get the screen that tells me I have to call Cable Vision and pay or Optimum and pay for this channel, but I can DVR that channel all day long. Hard to record a movie that's gonna be on the Hallmark channel, and it's there and it's fine, but I can't actually watch it that way. But I had read somewhere early on that Hallmark channel, the app for it, which you have to pay for, that they weren't putting this year's countdown to Christmas new movies on there, that it was all older stuff and that the movies weren't showing up until next So I don't know if that and people were I rate because people are like, I just paid for this to watch Christmas movies from this year.

Now you're telling me I have to watch them on cable, But what is the point of this. Meanwhile, some of these show up on Peacock regardless US, so it just seems like a wild web. Well, it's interesting because I have watched in advance Christmas movies this year that had not premiered on the network yet. Okay, it's not all of them, it's not all of them by any means, but like I think it was back in October before the actual Christmas movie started airing, that there was one that was available because I just check in like every church day is when they tend to drop stuff, and so I just check in as like, oh, oh, I haven't seen this one yet, and and then later it was on Hallmark like three or four weeks later.

So they are doing that sort of piecemeal, but not for every single movie. Okay, interesting, Yeah, all right. So number four is our dead parents or dead wife, which, yes, we don't really get any of it here. There's kind of the dead dad in the replacement father. He left, Oh he just left, okay, abandoned.

Yeah, that's the closest we get, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, So number five are sassy sidekick. Again. It's confusing because in these you know, where you have like three main characters slash sassy guys, it's hard to say, oh, is there anybody else kind of filtering around there that serves that role.

I think there might be. Well maybe it's tough. I am torn between putting Mom as number five or as number nine because she kind of there's aspects of what she does that's sort of like there to be the kind of instigator moving things along, and she's wearing big earrings. But I think she also has like a very direct scene where she's kind of laying out themes of the movie. So perhaps she's better served at number nine.

There's briefly Mark mcclark. Mark Leclark la Clark mclark. Who's Mark laclark named wait, oh, is he the the the director of the school pageant the first one. Yeah, this is the one that they they bring in as a yeah, brings in all the inflatables. He's the one that in the previous movie they had the whole light that competition with the decoration contest and he keeps winning like five years ago.

Yeah, yeah, they bring in because after the okay, so it was mister b Right. So first there's the school the play director who I also loved, who is there sort of almost as a villain, like he's there just to be obnoxious and then quit the play when they break everything. And then you're right, they bring in the ringer of Mark la Clark. How can I forget Mark Leclarke. It's the best name ever as the right to come save the show.

And yeah, I mean it's a little a little element of chaos I think is a better maybe a way of thinking of him. Yeah, he's that actor is really good because I have seeing him in a variety of things, and he is a different person every time, so I think he needs to get more lead roles. Frankly, I like him a lot. If I were going to choose someone sazzy, I would put it to the principle honest plea well. Because that moves us into number six, which is our villain usually evil woman.

But here the women are fine. It's there's a few men in like authoritative roles who are scary, and the principal is certainly one. Yep. The landlord is another one. Yeah, that's the other one I was thinking of.

Yeah, very scroogey. Yeah, montage number seven. There's several I know of too, But what are some of the ones you guys clocked? Well, there's the arcade. The dance thing was kind of a montage.

There's, of course, anything revolving around the Christmas pageant, with doing the rehearsals to that building things, all the construction and stuff like that. That's montage. My favorite was probably the pictionary montage. Oh yeah, that's great with the claw for missus claws just a circle for five golden riments. I am a sucker for good pictionary jokes because I am notoriously very both passionate about and bad at pictionary.

So I will like get very into. My husband just cackled because he's seen me do this. I will get very into, like come on, I'm doing and I'm doing it, and I draw something and I think it's so clear and nobody understands it. So then when I watch people like magically you know it's the Simpsons episode, right, dignity there it is, I always admire it. So I enjoyed this round that I thought it was done there.

Yeah, I feel like if Stephen had drawn a base for his snow globe, they probably would have gotten it. It would have helped. Yes, Yeah, Also this is I just realized that this is the second movie in a row that had Dictionary with Paul Campbell steak out. There is also a pictionary Mountbush. There is.

There is let's see number eight slapstick. In this movie, right, yeah. The complete destruction of the pageant stuff in the early part of the film. As Luke trying to stand up the tree yep. Yep, complete with I think, like zany sound effects when.

You tried the final pageant, Oh. Of course, yes, And I do like that early on, like they're going crazy trying to figure out like how to make this work, how to write out of this? And I love when one of I can't remember if I think it was Susie, was like, they're little kids. You just put them on stage and everybody goes ah and you're done, Like, which is true, Like that's all you need to do for these kinds of pageants. Yeah, let's see the preaking a set.

Oh the this is less slapstick but was just kind of like a like easy joke, but it can work well, I think when done well. Early on, when they're zooming with Mom and like the whole like nope, you're on mute. Nope, you're on mute. Like it's like we've seen the jokes, but like they do them well. And then you know, she refers to it as zooming and they're like, it's so cool zooming, But I mean, why not we're zooming at that And I would say this is kind of physical humor, if you will.

But the Principal's office scene. Yes, oh yeah, I'm trying to get out of the chair and it's like why would you both, why would you all three sit there? Why? Because you could have stood. I feel like they knew they had to sit.

I feel like this was it's the same principle that was there when they were kids, and I like the whole like just idea of that of oh no, this is us and we're we're definitely stuck and cannot move. I don't know the last time you sat in a chair intended for like elementary school. The struggle is real. Like, I'm short, so getting out of a short chair should not be hard, No, it is. Knees are not supposed to do what they do when you sit in one of those chairs.

So I feel the same. What there's Stephen fainting, there's little cutting up the food on Thomas's plate, there's just little bits of physical humor throughout. There's you know, bringing in the lumber and Taylor just not helping. Yes, yeah, it's I mean they they get it, they know what's funny and they make it work. So now number nine is the sage old person.

Oh pastor roid, no doubt, definitely. Yeah, that's right. I mean I think Mom has a very tune where she gets to kind of lay out how they've been acting. And Margaret Colin is back and she's very good. Yeah, I've always loved her, and I love that she did.

This still to me looks so I cannot. I don't understand how she's not how her and Elizabeth Perkins are two different people, like how they're they're not though, right, like they're just the same person and one of them goes to Canada and one of them goes to the US, Like I just it's just uncanny to me. But I you. Know, I could, I could go into this whole thing of my theory on that because but I won't do that here because it would involve the Buck Rogers television series and I don't think people are ready for that. So it's a deep cut.

I look forward to reading that, like full novel dissertation on it. Power point give me a power point number Tennis, Santa Claus, we do not have laws. Yes, we have a grump. We do. We do have a grump.

Okay again, this is where you can tell, oh, no, this movie is written by like people who actually have senses of humor, because the it jumps ahead to product placement, which is like I don't know number four in the next round. But the way they have they blatantly like say no, it is not a Grench. We cannot afford Grench. We're doing the grump in what it was it what Ville instead of Who's Ville and all of that like it. That's that's very funny, and that is that is done by somebody that you know can wink at this stuff.

Yeah, and in fact, the persons saying grinch was cut off before saying the full word. They know they are legal limits. They are very aware, all right. So other bonuses public domain holiday songs. I think we Wish You a Merry Christmas was there briefly.

I think it might have been in the opening when they're uh maybe. When you're practicing, you know, trying to practice Christmas songs with the kids. I think that might have been one of them. Yeap, deck the Halls is definitely used. Then there's a very jazzy god Rescu Marry Gentleman.

There was that. I've I've heard that like arrangement before it's I'm trying to think it's like three quarters of the way through. I think it might be when it's one of the scenes where the character's name I don't didn't write down where the were Taylor's girlfriend to be Carolyne Caroline when she starts like playing, and then it's sort of like is she playing or is at the soundtrack of the movie, But it's just very like, I don't know, it's it's it's an odd song to turn into jazz, but I have heard that jazz rendition many a time, right, And then of course, I mean, we can't have three wise men without having the Nutcracker sweet right, right, and the choreographs dance of the sugarplun ferries. Yes, with a little bit like the little dubstep kind of oh yeah, tweaks to it the remix.

That's no secret family recipe or holiday cocktail, not particularly. I mean, we have the Luke's partner making cookies that don't get brought to the school, which is a problem because they probably didn't have peanuts in it, and the other ones do. But there's the gingerbread houses. But that's really more decorative than something to eat, true, true? Why why would you waste gingerbread like that?

Yes, just eat that gingerbread. I've I have never like, I don't think I've ever actually built a gingerbread house. I don't think I've ever been in a scenario where people really did that, you know, and it's something I don't like. I see it in movies, I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool, but also, like you just it sits in your kitchen like it sits like in your living room as a decoration. It does feel like a complete waste of every It's okay, I every year I find a way to rant about the Food Network's Holiday Wars.

No, do you know the show I'm talking about? Yes, it's okay. I love the Food Network. It's my background TV. I can turn almost anything on and be like, all right, good, I'll cook while Chopped is on whatever it is except Food Wars.

And my husband knows this, and he will if he sees it on, he will just like grab the remote and change it. Because Holiday Wars and they have a Halloween one and they have a Christmas one, and it's like, what are you doing. You're building a really extravagant display of the holidays out of food, but it's like you're not eating it because it's sitting I don't know, on the street or sitting in a library. But there's a taste element. But why does it have to taste good if you can't eat any of it?

And who are these people Are they artists? Are they sculptors? Are they bakers? What is this team you're assembling? And just the logic of it makes my brain explode.

And every year when I see it, I just get angrier. And that's kind of what I think of gingerbread houses. I guess, right, what. Swing? I didn't see that that's adorable?

Okay, I take everything I said about gingerbread house building back. If you can build a gingerbread house and have a tire swing and maybe like like in the Adu to the back of it, the way they had a cabin, like, Okay, I know it could be very charming and cute if you do it right, I guess it's worth it. But then still, like if you like go like if you go and invited over somebody's house in the holidays, and like you're sitting around, maybe you're sitting in there a living room and you're having a drink, and you're and there's Christmas plame and there's like in the middle of the coffee tables a gingerbread house. Is it rude at some point to just like lean over and like break a piece off and take a bite of it?

Is that I just asking for a friend. I guess in case I ever get invited to a house like this is it because to me, like, if food is in front of me, it's rude not to eat it. But am I never gonna be invited back because I like broke the gingerbread chimney. Yeah, they are never for eating. Never because there should go ahead and eat this, pretend to your Godzilla.

Yeah, that would be nice. I would I would love to see a human just destroy a bunch of gingerbread houses like Godzilla. Oh, that would also be very like the way they have rage rooms, right, like you know, you pay thirty bucks and you go in and just like break stuff. If they have that for gingerbread houses. That would be amazing.

But I think they're I don't think they're ever supposed to be eaten because they're going to sit out. That frosting is gonna get hard, the gun drops are gonna get hard. It's not gonna be fit to eat. It's just very wasteful feeling. Yeah, the gingerbread will goes stale too.

Just yeah, being out and about just not. Not a good idea. If you want a gingerbread house, get one that you know looks like a gingerbread house, but isn't actually made of food? I suppose, But then don't make sure everybody knows it's not edible, because what if somebody comes over and they break if he's off, and they eat it and then they're swallowing like toxic foam. That's also so then that's on them for not asking.

That's true, that's true, all right. So then our number three is our small business in danger, which I I mean, did Delor have a business? You call that a business? Independent? Yeah?

I mean yeah, he basically had a sign. It's like he has a name for his business. You think he's just it's like a freelance game developer is what he is. So it's it's really it is a business. It's just he's doing it.

Out of his own home that he doesn't have anymore. Yeah, better, yes, all right, So we talked to oh, product placement, there's there's there is some actual, very blatant product placement. Did you clock it balsam fer? Ope? Yes, Oh if you think that's bad, I have seen far worse balsam fur product placement.

In fact, the movie Unexpected Christmas, which also had Tyler Hines in it very blatantly has a close up of him opening the Balsam fur box gently pulling out an ornament and hanging it on the tree, and I'm like, wow, you guys could make it a little more subtle. Yeah. They they get their money's worth when they and I mean they're a regular advertiser Hallmark. Almost any movie you watched the will be a commercial at some point, but this one, because I watched it, my DVR has been acting funny, so I didn't fast forward through any commercials when I watched this. So at one point there was a commercial that actually started Baltom Hill presenting Three Wiser Men, which that was funny because then at one point there's Finding the Perfect Tree where it's like a little bit of like, oh, look they brought the tree and I was and it was odd that it was not a Balsam Hill tree, that it was an actual real tree.

But yes, yeah they still they. So Boston Hill not only sponsored this movie, they sponsored the Spruce Grove Fire Department, right, yep, okay, important, all right, So Cloying Child is the next one. We do have to what do you think of lots of kids? Quite a few? Yeah?

Uh, the one that they said, he's a tiny adult one talking about being claustrophobic, and yeah. And corporate malfeasins. That made me chuckle. My dad quit his job because of corporate malfeasts. Uh.

There's the the girl that we think is going to be like the problem girl. Right when they first see the pageant. There's a girl that's like singing and we're like, oh no, here we go. But then I guess she's allergic peanuts and then we never see her again. Presumably as soon as the director left.

They pulled her out of it because the show would be doomed and they didn't want to embarrass her. Yeah, well it can't happen on your credit. She was scooping into all of her notes anyway, which is you know that, don't just hit the note, honey. Yeah. Song reminded me of something, and I think it's kind of like muse that kind of style of song.

The way it was arranged. Look for any pre k to Grade five Christmas pageant by far I like Kimberly Sastad, do not have children, but go to see local children's theater just to make sure that things are running smoothly. Yep, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that was. What did you think of? So we had Miles Marthaler as Thomas so adorable.

It's cute. Look, kid, he's really cute, and for being as young as he is, he did really really well. Yeah, when he didn't want to be in arrested by the show and he knew he wasn't good enough for extra lines and stuff like that, you could really feel it. Yeah, And I think it was nice that it wasn't like, oh, no, we're gonna make him a star, like he just needs a spotlight. Like no, like some some kids are you know, not comfortable on stage with a lot of lines, and and even like that being a whole thing of like, oh the kids are still in the pageant are the ones that like weren't the stars and didn't necessarily want to be the stars.

And when the you know, the the uncles are trying to like rewrite the show to be like, hey, now you've got all this dialogue, they're like I don't want that. No, And it's nice just because you do usually have like oh no, the real secret is that they're all talented. It's like, no, they're just little kids, Like they probably can't sing. They just have to be cute and that's all people need. Yeah, and Thomas has a really nice moment with Taylor because trying to explain that and Okay, so again, I'm sorry, I guess you about Tyler Hines because he's amazing.

He's he was the baby whisper in the first movie. Anytime that there was a baby who was there was one twin that was great all the time. There was one twin that was angry all the time because she was teething and so and he would just take that baby and just walk around and calm her down because he's not he's a single man. He doesn't have kids, and he does he's like the child whisperer as well, because you can see the connection between that little boy and Tyler throughout. Well, they have a secret handshake even they'd like high five and then do this kind of upward snow motion.

Yep. And so it was really nice that they had that moment where he admits that he doesn't want any more lines. He just wants to do his and Christmas was saved. Yeah, and that he didn't want and he was worried because he didn't want to disappoint people. And yeah, it was just such a nice sne cute.

Yeah, no, greed, so we did. We talked about finding the perfect tree, which all goes to pastor roy h. I did not clock any empty coffee cup back, did you guess? They did pretty good with all the food and beverages. I mean the wine glasses had wine in them.

Oh, completely, and I feel that was probably real wine. Like this, cas is the kind of cast that's like, no, no, no, give us the good stuff. We're we're filming this for a while. Yeah, give me a nice mere low okay, Yeah yeah, yeah. That aid is actors trying hard not to actually eat or drink on camera.

But I don't know. I mean I feel like a lot of candy canes are consumed members of this cast. The ones kept behind your ear. Yeah yeah, well, if you haven't opened it yet. I hope it's wrapped.

Yeah, if you haven't licked it yet, you're okay. And I mean, it's it that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger when it comes to germs. But again, this this is extra. Yeah, it depends you know, your stomach, I think, is all. We're all go with that, all right, canadianisms.

We talked about the mini stories you know these these are Canadian actors. And you know a little bit o it was. I heard it the warm Weather Watch. How cold do you think it was when they were filming this movie? Not very I'm gonna go with not very.

Here's here's the fun thing. Whenever you have outdoor scenes in a Christmas movie, you can tell whether it was filmed in winter because people's breath will show. And did you catch it in the non proposal proposal scene? I don't recall, Yeah. I was because I I even like, wait, is that what it?

Because it didn't because they're wearing like fairly light clothing, but you could really see like there was there was white coming out of his mouth, and I don't you know, I mean, I would go so far to say, like maybe they find a way to like, okay, I'm gonna chew this gum so that i can puff it out and make sure we get that effect, because it did seem like I don't think it's cold, but that is definitely uh what is that like? Not air? But like what do you call it when there's frost you know, paper whatever, the hot frosty coming out of your mouth. Yeah, But at the same time they are Canadian. So they did that dog through the mud, which is like, what are you doing?

It's an ugly day. It was a very ugly day to be out to like film a cute romantic scene with flowers and a non proposal. But again they had They probably filmed this in nine days, so. I would guess it's probably more like three weeks because of the child. I don't think it's the past.

I mean, I know that I can't remember this was a hallmark or light. There was an article I had read. It was in Vulture magazine two years ago, and it was like a long, in depth dive into making these movies, and I think it was a Lifetime had kind of very publicly cut production time down. I think they used to do like eighteen days and they cut it down to fifteen days. Maybe, so this one, you have a point like when you're dealing with that many kids, like they might have had a little more time.

But I still can't imagine this went more than three weeks. Would probably be the max. I'd be surprised if it if they allowed it to go that long. Well it yeah, it depends because you know, Okay, again, here I go in an interview with Tyler. He was talking about they He was being asked about, what's the process of, you know, getting a role in the Hallmark movie, because you know, he's one of their standards, like he's the fan favorite, and he would you know, there's like, is it a negotiation thing with salary or is it a set amount for the entire time?

Do you get paid that day? Et cetera, ad nauseum. How long does it take? And his answer was, you know, most movies take two weeks, sometimes three, depending on the situation. Okay, okay, interesting, Hallmark might be I mean, Lifetime could be cheaper than Hallmarket, so it's possible too.

Yeah, I don't watch the Lifetime movies anymore because they tend to always annoy me. I feel like I've seen some good ones. It's hard to remember which is which. Lifetime generally will be just a slightly more adult. There may be a little more like double entendres or something, but it's never much.

A few years ago after that initial like Hallmark do like kind of I think it was twenty twenty when Hallmark aired the Zola commercial with that had a lesbian bride couple and then pulled it when people complained about it. A couple of like big name Lifetime actresses I know, like Hillary Burton, I forget who else. I kind of like said like, nope, we're not saying at Hallmark if they're not going to support LGBT. So they kind of like left for Lifetime. But then Hallmark since like I think like a year later, they kind of reverse track and really did like seemingly have worked to incorporate more gay stories.

They've like Jonathan Bennett now like is very public on their So I don't know. I haven't watched any Lifetime this year. I feel like last year I was also a little disappointed. I didn't find anything great there, but I should give something to try this year. I just have to find one.

Yeah, the thing about that whole you know, not not allowing people to be gay that went out the door with the CEO who went over American Family which ye yeah, which is a yeah, and a lady got put in and that's when everything started to change. And it really has been much better. I mean I speak as a as a heterosexual person, so I'm not, you know, washing still saying like yeah, no, I think everybody should is feeling seen now, like I wouldn't say that, but you can tell. Like the first movie I watched this year was Holiday Mismatch, which was a you know, standard romantic blah blah, but they had they had a supporting character who was gay. It's just there now, like it's it's just treated very, very matter of factly, which is really refreshing.

And there was an interview with Jonathan Bennett that I had posted on the Facebook page that was really lovely because it was him talking about how like, oh yeah, now it's great. He's like, I can you know, every year I come to Hallmark and I say, here's here's what I want to do. And he talked about how many people have written to him, how many you know, moms in Ohio have said like, oh, I I'm really glad that my son has like has somebody like him that he can watch now on these movies and and all that. So I think they have made very good. Strides, agree, And I think they're going to continue making bigger strides, as I hope so because even even if there's not like a it's a shown character that is LGBTQ, they will you'll often see like in a group scene with people dancing you'll see a lesbian couple, you'll see a gay couple.

Yeah, you know, and it's just normal. Yeah, and they're finally accepting that. I will say because I know I said it the first time we watched Three Wise Men, and watching Three Wiser Men, my husband was in the room watching it, and I didn't say anything, and he said to me when I can't remember the exact moment, but when Stephan or Steph as they call him, at one point when like his he's with Susie and my husband looks at me, he's like, well, they're not gonna get married because he's obviously gay, which is what I thought in the first movie. And it's so funny to me because I've seen now Paul Campbell do a lot of different movies. And I said nothing, and my husband also read his character in this movie is gay when he clearly isn't.

But it's just another funny thing of like, okay, so at least it's not just me. My gator isn't completely like it might be off, but so are other people. So Paul Campbell just confusing us left and right. He's just that good, I guess. Yeah, yeah, he is married, has children, so.

And it would be fine if he was or was not. It just it was like refreshing for me to be like, okay, good. So it wasn't just me no, No, it's interesting. It's just I've had a lot of experience with Paul Campbell and so I didn't actually read that as a gig character. But I can see how people who are not familiar as much.

If that's your introduction, I think in particular, then its yeah. I see where that. I see where you're coming from. Because he's also dressed very well. We'll get to the fashion in a minute, but he has like he's dressed very sharply in one scene where I'm like, street man, what do a pocket square?

That? Well, well, he was introduced in the first film as a like a pet psychologist. You're like, well, okay, saying something. Okay. Eleven is when we have old people very aggressively matchmaking in this case, not really, we just have our old people who want to like you know.

Them exactly, like just leave them alone. Your mom has not gotten any in decades, seemingly. All those and she's like, no, I've been dating for a while. And I kind of like that too, because it's that thing of when you remember were like, oh right, adult children sometimes just do not think of their parents as like other adult bees. Yeah.

Yeah, all right, So now we close with the fashion watch, right, we talk about our favorite outfits or some choices. I will throw out the one that I caught, which was that my husband actually again pointed out in the opening scene, and maybe this was intentional. That. Luke's fire chief outfit feels very like ill fitting to him. It's very baggy, and my husband said, like, oh is he Is he a stripper?

The kind of looked like a tear away like, oh yeah, he's gonna go like I'm going to work hunt and then goes like, you know, I'm like, this is Hallmark, it's not Netflix. So no, it's no, He's just a fire chief and a very poorly fit Like was that the costume that his colleague that like his former chief in the last movie or the guy in Kittens of Christmas War kind of is what it felt like to me. Yeah, especially when you look to like the extras in the scene and you know, the supporting actors and they're all got these fireman arms. It's like some of them are probably actually the firefighters from that city because that. Might have just been an actual firefighters arms.

Yeah. My fashion thing had to be the arcade scene. And Brandy noticed this is that Taylor and his girlfriend are both wearing these shirts that are black and white stripes. Yeah, black and white cords on those stripes. Just hammering that nail that they're the same person.

Yep, that they absolutely belong together because they can share clothing. Yeah. Yeah, for me, it's always going to be Tyler and a cardigan. You cannot put Tyler Hines in a Christmas movie and not put him in a card again because he wears them as so well. Okay, yeah, and Paul Campbell's pocket square and they're like, I look.

Chic, Yeah, Pastory, you well dressed. Yeah, definitely, like again, once I got past the hair, which I think was really only in that first scene. And if you look at his IMDb picture, the actor is Christopher Schier and like chic man in his IMDb picture, he's got like a tie that's a little loose. He's got his hair is like, you know, not Reagan wig esque, you know, he looks like, oh yeah, kind of like silver Fox type. But boy, did we have to do something about about that early on.

It was upsetting, really all right. So, having said all of this, where do we fall in three wiser men? Is it recommended? Is it a worthy follow up? What do you think?

I feel like it's a worthy follow up. And I especially loved because I was waiting the entire movie for kimber Lisa Stad's cameo and the fact that she comes out and starts talking about, hey, it's a kind of a danger. You know how good it was last year. Trying to raise the bar and get that same sort of reaction this time. Is just so so meta.

And so Chef's kiss of course to Kimberly sus dad because I love her in everything anyway, So I think I would recommend this. I think it's a lot of fun. I think there's a lot of atypical stuff that goes on there that isn't your typical Hallmark fair and it's it's fun for everybody, how about you, Dave. It's a great film that's constructed on top of what's a pretty flimsy plot about the whole Christmas pageant, which anybody who knows anything about like how theater works, is how few days they have to create this show, and that they're leaving it just to these like three inexperienced not uncle. Yeah, and that they're even allowing them with that around these children without any background checks, Like.

You can't walk into a school these days without being like officially signed in by you know, a security guard. Yeah, yeah, you just have to take on that. Okay, the the I guess the principle has allowed it to happen, and therefore it's okay, is the only way to like kind of sign off that Okay, it's got this this mark, you know that the stamp of approval. But otherwise it's like what are they doing? It has more like a punishment actually, right, but who punishes people with looking over kids?

And like who has the right to do that? Like the school principle is like, okay, now you are caretaking for these children. You are taking them out at night to an arcade without other kings. Like it's like yeah, no, okay, eight different children between the ages of you know, five and eleven. You're gonna hang out tonight with the bachelor's at the arcade.

Hey, Luke's married, but like again none of them are twinny I I don't know. I would not feel comfortable being like like okay, yeah, I'll just come and chaperone a field trip. I don't know these child. I don't know their allergies. Literally don't know the kid's allergies.

So I mean that, Yeah, one of them did poison the kids with BLA and they still and then they. Said, Okay, now you're gonna build a set for this kid to step on and climb. Yeah. Very poor administration, I guess is the issue here. Uh now you kind of overlook that, then everything else is great.

It's just that that's a hard pill to swallow. Yeah, I don't know that it For me, I think it is step down. I think it was more like it didn't step up from the first film. I think the first film felt really fresh, had clearly like had a lot of energy behind it of like, hey, we're gonna tell a story because we want to work together and we want to do something a little different, but we're respect like what you came here for and this one and I dave, I think you made some really good point about the sort of like no, there is a theme here, and it's a more adult theme and because of that, it's like overall a little bit less fun to get to So I did enjoy it. I think it's recommended.

I think if you like the first one, definitely watch this one. I am hoping to do another one and kind of just like go bigger, go funner, and like close it out in a really satisfying way. But this was enjoyable, and I'm very glad that I watched it. I'm very glad I got to watch it with YouTube. Love you yay.

So now tell the world, and by the world, it means whoever you know is listening to this where else they can find more of you? Dave, you go first. Okay, we co host a podcast. It's fairly due for us. We're on episode nine.

We're almost to the ten. We're almost to that benchmark that these eight podcasters rarely reach the tenth episode. But it shield podulation and it's a random Star Trek podcast in which we just randomly choose an episode a movie of the Star Trek franchise and review it. And that includes two partters. We'll do half a two parter.

We already did part one of one two parter it was Redemption the Next Generation, and this next one we're going to do is Birthright Part two, which is also next generation, but we've done like three Voyagers. We haven't done a lot of New Trek yet, which is disappointing because I'd be excited to talk Discovery. How are you picking them? Are you like, do you have a giant bucket with like tiny little pieces of paper written everything in there. We have a spreadsheet that my friend Dan made for his own purposes which has every episode, movie, short, et cetera of Star Trek in order of air date or release date.

And so basically I asked my echo device for a number between one and I guess we're at nine hundred and forty one now and then and if we get to the point where we're where it's picking a number that we've already used, then we do a fifty to fifty And if it's uh, if it's a the one the number above then or the number before that, then we we do that or if it's basically if it's like, if it's heads, then we do the the number before it. If it's tails, we do the number after it. So basically that's what it will come to. So but we have we're having a lot of fun. I like the system, and we don't edit it.

Your cass fine, Yeah, we are old and tired and sick of editing, and so we just decided because that's what's the thing is say like, yeah, but the editing, and I'm like, well, what if we don't. Edit mistakes and all? Yeah, any kind of vocal tics anything, because that's the way people talk. Why edited out true now? Yeah.

See. Also, I go by dj Evil Dave in a few places. I have some Spotify playlists that are available if you're interested in that. I've got like a cyberpunk one if you're into that kind of genre. I've got a goth one that's one song per artist.

I think it's a thousand and one songs now kind of goth, dark wave, post punk, that kind of stuff. So yeah, that's available to you if you happen to enjoy that. I've got even got a nerdy one if you are a very nerdy person that's got a lot of soundtrack songs stuff like that. Awesome and very much associated you know, dark goth Christmas chair perfect. Oh yeah, I've got one called Bleak Midwinter that's specifically for this kind of time of year.

Very nice, very nice. Yeah. You can find me on basically Instagram or Blue Sky on Blue Sky and just Brandy Wine. I got in early so that I didn't have to put any numbers after it as same and it's Brandy with an just so you guys know. And then also on Instagram, I'm just my name Brandy Jakala altogether, and I do a live show with my friend Dan when new Star Trek episodes are running, and we do that usually on Saturdays at twelve pm Mountain time.

You have a clock in your phone, figure it out for your time zone. It's not that hard. And this is a live YouTube. Showtube show I was getting to that, thank you, Dave, called The Unready Room, and it airs. It airs live, but of course people do watch it after the fact as well.

But if you get there live, you watch it live. You can jump in the chat and we have a lot of fun with the chat. And that's on Dan's YouTube channel that is Kurt Rats Productions, which is Kurt Rats is just Star Trek spelled backwards, so yeah, that. Works out, Yeah, Star Trek. When that happens, you can very easily make a fun pronounceable word from words that are not meant to be interpreted that way.

Stands cool like that, it's just really cool comedian. Hey, no doubt about it, as we know. Well, thank you so much for joining. We will be back hopefully next year. I wonder if they have any timeframe planned.

I mean, I would think, don't come back next year for three wiser men, maybe like give it another year or two for three wisest men and a teenager as I'd like to see. But hopefully we'll have you guys again next year, and in the meantime, have a merry and wise Christmas. Yep, happy holidays, Happy Holidays.