Angel Heart

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He took this. Kakered Murray was an American producer and he'd take a lot of films from Mexico and usually kind of hatchet them and dubbed them and then repurpose them to American audiences. But he one of those films was a movie called Santa Claus where it's basically Santa versus Satan, and Satan is wearing some tight, tight tights and little shorts and it's um, He's kind of awesome. Though, Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I kind of prefer him over de Niro this movie. I mean, what's more scary than a guy with like an armadillo in his trousers and red paint on his face?

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Oh Yeah, that one's real, real good, really good. Yeah, I mean there might be some problematic What about Dave grol In tenaciously in the Pick of Destiny Despite Dave Girl, it's a really good portrayal. Wait a second, what does that mean? I don't like Dave grol I like Dave Girl as a human being and as a rack on tour. I'm totally with the guy as a drummer.

He's fucking great. That food fighter's nonsense, which people are like still looking at as if they're the last bastition of rock and roll. Please, if that's the last basting, let it all fall is the last bit? Who's saying that I'll bring you some noise junkies here to the Culture Cast? Baby, you got two?

You got two out of three? Right here? Good lord? Yeah, what all of a sudden my show has been taken over by these ne'er do wells, these scally wags. Can't we make it creepy?

Chris, you're like the Oreo fooling delicious delish give it four and a half out of five stars. Speaking of devilishly delicious, on this episode of a Culture Cast, we're gonna be talking about a little film that stars Mickey Rourke because guess what, it's all Mickey Rourke movies all month. Okay, yeah, so this movie? Who programmed that you did? Yeah?

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Yeah, That's why I was like, yeah, so this is Patreon. So it's all Mickey Rourke movies. But we're talking about nineteen eighty seven's Alan Parker directed Angel Heart, and I'm joined by my two good friends all the way from like they've already mentioned, noise Junkies, Father Malone. You know, some cultures say something about eggs and now I'm gonna eat that egg and Heather Drain. Hello, I don't.

I don't have Robert Dinner a quote on hand because I wasn't fond of his satan. Oh. We will get into that. But I do love Satin and I do love merciful fate. Setene.

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So on this episode, like I mentioned, we're gonna be talking about nineteen eighty seven's Angel Heart. So the film is directed and written by Alan Parker, who you know Bugsy Malone, everybody Baby bugsy Malone and Noise for all you Bugsy fans out there. And it's up based on the book Falling the entire country of England. That's who you just addressed, right. We call them bugsies.

Those are the bugs or bugss No buggers are That's another thing, Chris, Come on, sirs, as I consider myself one of the wait a Bugsy Malone fan for Fox. Absolutely, you two got me into that movie. So it's perfect that we are reconvening here to talk about another Ali Parker movie. Always trust I'm alone. It's true.

Few films have ever created this much anticipation. Believe everything you've heard, because nothing can prepare you for the ending of Angel Hard. Are you afraid? Yeah, I'm afraid, Mickey roar, Robert De Niro, Pisa, Boney Angel Hart rated r starts Friday at a theater near you. So this is based on the book Falling Angel by William Ortsburg and stars Mickey Rourke and the aforementioned multiple times now, Robert de Niro in a cameo appearance, and Lisa Bonet ineffectively a cameo appearance, and Charlotte Rampling in effectively a cameo appearance.

I would consider Robert DeNiro to have the least cameo appearance of all the quote cameo appearances of the movie. And The film centers around Mickey Rourk's Harry Angel, a New York private investigator who gets involved in a missing person's case looking for Johnny Favorite as hired by Lewis Cipher, the most obvious Lucifer fucking name ever to apparently everybody but Harry Angel. The film starts in New York, we go to New Orleans as the case progresses and we learn more about who Johnny Favorite may actually be. We are going to be spoiling the movie. So yeah, if that bothers you from a movie from nineteen eighty seven, I don't know what to tell you, Heather.

I'm gonna kick it to you first, because I know you're chomping at the bit to tear down one of America's screen stars, Robert de Niro. But when I'm joking, so, when was the first time you saw Angel Hart, What did you think then and what do you think now? Rewatching it for the culture kid. Well, I I first saw Angel Hart years ago and it was one of those I don't know if you guys have ever gone through the experience where you know you've watched a movie but it's been a few years and you're like, oh, I'm gonna rewatch it, and then you rewatch it and you start doubting that you ever watched in the first place, because it's like I had those moments. Yes, that was that was it for me.

I did remember being a little kid when it came out because there was a huge controversy because Lisa Bonet was eighteen and that wasn't necessarily even that controversy was just like she was fresh off The Cosby Show. Everybody knew was like a little Cosby kid, and now she's in this dark noir about voodoo and there's her little boobies and oh my god, and you know which, it's kind of America's a really we're a very ridiculous country culture, aren't we like? But so rewatching it, I was really glad I did. I don't think it's a perfect movie, and we'll go into that, but there are some things I really did enjoy about it. And I'm a huge Mickey Rourg fan.

I love him. I feel like he's kind of, in some ways almost like one of the last of our really great character actors. And I say that with a little bit tongue and cheek, because I think there's always great artists, but M and H and yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys I think about it and getting into the weeds here. Yeah, so, father Malone, take us there. What are your thoughts on Angel?

I saw this movie in the theater on its in these days, I'm gonna cover a movie where you don't say that. That's one I had to say because it was Alan Parker, and I was already a fan of Alan Parker thanks to Bugsy Malone, which I know. By the time this movie came out, I had seen Bucks Him alone one billion times. And now, weirdly, before I saw this movie, I've read the novel Falling Angel by William Heartsberg, because in nineteen eighty five, William Heartsberg wrote the screenplay for The Legend, which we you and I talked about here on the Culture Cast. Chris and I.

After that movie, I was at a like a book and poster movie script store in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and they had the script for Legend, but the original shooting scripts, so actual William Puartsberg's where it's not originally that script. Everyone spoken rhyme and the descriptions were gorgeous. And so months later I was at a used bookstore and I found a copy of a book by William Heartsberg. I'ment, well, fuck, I need to read that, and it turns out to be this which when this movie came out, You're absolutely right, Heather, there was a massive controversy. Lisa ban I had been on The Consby Show for two years at this point, and Bill Cosby was said to have sworn off on her being in the movie, but then was furious that it was as explicit as it was and so and you know, the movie got an X rating too, So there was a big firestorm of controversy.

So of course I was gonna go see this movie. Yeah, and I did. I snuck in. I don't think I understood half of it, but I loved it. And everything that's at a fault now some thirty five forty years later with the movie as far as the sort of obviousness of it, look the Louis Cipher thing.

I cannot defend it. Like as a fourteen year old, I was like, oh the Devil, huh, So I get that. But like the other twists, like Down the Road, I didn't see coming. I don't think most audiences saw coming. This was kind of an anomaly of a studio film.

Honestly, it's really goddamn dark. So I like the movie. I'm looking forward to talk about her. So I had never seen this before, and it's been on the I mean, it's been on the list of things for me to watch. I'm pretty sure I owned it on DVD or Blue ray at some point and just never watched it.

So, and you know, again, to speak to Mickey Rourke, the first thing I saw him in was Once upon a Time in Mexico, which is all right, right, first Robert Rodriguez movie I had also seen, so and there was probably like the second or third Johnny Depp movie I'd ever seen as well, So like again like wow again, well, I mean again, like some of these movies were just not part of a certain vernacular for me growing up. I mean other things, but you know, like some things weren't, and Mickey Rourke just wasn't, but you know, I was getting into those kinds of movies, and so I went with my grandfather to see Once Upon Time Mexico in the theaters, and speaking to you, father Malone about Angel Hart, I didn't understand half of that movie.

And I didn't understand the significance of having Mickey Rourke in that movie, because he's in that movie for like literally fucking two seconds. But they make like a big deal out of it. So that's my all of my complete exposure to Mickey Rourke is Once Upon a Time in Mexico. So obviously he looks a lot different at that point, almost unrecognizable for a number of reasons that I'm sure we'll talk about, and how they kind of weirdly are reflective and a lot of the things he worked on in the late eighties early nineties, like this and Johnny Handsome, which are both about a guy disfiguring his face. Figured.

Yeah, right, he's just he's just I'm getting ready. I'm just you know, something's going to happen. Unfortunately. Yeah, I enjoyed this movie. I enjoyed this movie more when I sat and thought about it, I think that Alan Parker may not have been the best person to adapt this story, but in a lot of ways, he was the right person to tell it the way he told it.

But like the story that is laid out in the novel best I can tell after doing a lot of research into it, I'm going to read it because I want to know that full story. But getting the story given to me secondhand, the changes that were made seem like changes that were made by someone else because they didn't like the decisions that someone else made, not because they didn't make any sense. And there are things that we will talk about with this movie that seemed like decisions that Alan Parker made, or Alan Parker to make. Oh yeah yeah, And like those may be some issues that we end up having with the movie. All that aside, Mickey Rourke is great.

This movie is very dark. It is it's it's it's dark in the way a lot of like extreme like extreme torture pornish movies are. But it doesn't show the parts that those movies show. It leaves a lot of it too just you know it happens offscreen or do you have to understand the context of it, Like the fact that there is an extended incest scene in this movie. I mean, the fact that it was X rated has to do with that scene, but that scene is also incest at the same time, and obviously I think I see influences in so many other things that would come after this.

No, Old Boy ain't No Seven without this movie either. Like that was what I kept thinking of was Fincher's seven while watching this movie, and probably helped that. I had just watched Zodiac over the weekend, which is still like for me peak Fincher, But I saw a lot of seven in this movie. And like, like you just mentioned, like Old Boy doesn't exist without this because there are I mean, again, this is a this is a supernatural story. Maybe like again, I I'm sure we're gonna get into it, but I do want to ask, Heather, because you were very adamant about it.

Robert de Niro is say, okay, let's just get into it. Here we go. I'm settling, folks. Oh well, I'm gonna start because I'm I like to be a positive person. Um the thing I liked because I and I always felt like this about his performances.

And then I saw something online actually today doing some you know, just doing you know, just like you know, some little research for the pod that I'm like because he looks like Martin Scorsese did Sark a taxi driver, and yeah, he patterned that look. I don't know if his taxi drivers specific off Corn Scorcese. However, Martin Scorsese and taxi driver is way the fuck scarier than DeNiro is in this movie now. And I'm not a DeNiro hater. I think Robert de Niro, especially in his prime, was one of is one of the best actors ever.

DeNiro's phenomenal taxi driver. Going back to that one, that's one of my favorite movies ever. That movie is a fucking masterpiece. Um problem with him is the devil. Some of it's not even him.

It's not even his fault, Like he's good, he's DeNiro. It's so it's ham fisted. The name is I mean, the name alone is ham fisted. But I could live with the name. The egg thing of him.

I did like him rolling that shot of him rolling the boiled egg to crack it open. That was cool and that was kind of creepy if they'd left it at that, or him using his lead press on nails to like to crack it open nails. Yeah, Getuzzy's evil. You get it east longer as the film goes on, every nail is a coke nail. His should have just been called I Dot, am Dot the fucking devil, like it's so obvious.

But okay, it was so obvious, Heather. They had to have Mickey Rourke mispronounced his name so that the audience would somehow be yeah, somehow not able to pick up on it, like sea free, like come on, bro oh yeah okay, but like and they saying us to hold up the egg and be like, you know, some religious leave the egg is the symbol of the soul. It's like, okay, yeah, we fucking get it. We get it, you're the devil. And then once it did, we have to get this nasty which I don't like heart rolled eggs either, So baby, that doesn't help of him putting it in his ma take it a big old devilish by It should have been a devil degg.

They should have just gone fucking full tilt booking on this. Then you're gonna go You're gonna go, handy, Baby, I don't want a sandwich. You put that whole fucking pig in the ground and have a lou out with it. That's what they should have if you're gonna do that. But um, and then like the worst part and I can't, I cannot forgive this because this movie had budget and this is a beautiful looking movie, like like there are like visually stunning like the cinematography, which I'll get into later.

Alan Parker, I mean, he's a master. I love Alan Parker, like I kind of agree, and when you can go to that a little bit later that he there are some parts of this movie I don't think he was the best director, but then parts of it he was. It's it's weird, right, but okay, so we get to the grand reveal and they give him this optical effect of having yellow eyes, and it looks okay, I'm sorry, it looks so bad. It looks so bad. If this is a low budget movie, I would I would make some concessions because you know, as somebody who's done diy R you do, you make do with what you got.

This movie had money, okay. I s A Fire came out a few years before this with far less money behind it. And the yellow eyes on the little like evil Woodland spirits are fucking scary, and that was an optical effect. Those weren't contacts, but there were also contacts they could have done. Look at Michael Jackson and Thriller.

That shit was terrifying. My I'm sorry, weird al and eat it had scarier eyes than what they gave to Nero. And then even worse, that little hell child, the little grand the grand devil. That's an optical John Rong worse. It's it's I mean, there are Saga CD games that I have more effective, fucking our Genti's Dracula three D is better than what they gave that baby.

That's a bit much. But okay, I'm going to repost some of your devil devil criticisms if I make Oh but I love my devil criticisms. Okay, here we go. I love that he looked like Martin Scorsese. No I said that was a good thing.

No, I'm just I'm I'm I'm echoing some of your stuff and then maybe maybe confronting confronting some of the others. Um. So, yeah, I love that he looked like Scurseys. That's just so fucking funny. Um it is funny, right, It's I laughed when I saw him.

He looks funny, right, Okay, Oh my god, Okay, I'm just making sure we're all the same page. I think I think his performance is really good. I think it's really solid and in the place where this character is meant to be, because I don't think he's supposed to be scary, even at the end when he's all growley at ut at Harry Angel Uh, even even then, I don't think he's supposed to be scary. It's one of the most interesting. It's definitely the quietest, most restrained devil I've ever seen on screen.

That alone made it interesting to me. And um, also, it just seems like from from frame one, he's just playing with Mickey Rourke and really enjoying himself. There's a there's a glimmer and a glean to all of his to all of the things. Okay, I snuck into this movie with an older friend of mine was also not allowed into an arretted movie. I was fourteen, as I said, And they're they're in the cafe and Lewis Cypier breaks takes the egg and he breaks it and he says, you know, some cultures think this is a symbol of a soul.

And then he bites into it, and my friend turned to me and said subtle. He was sixteen, I was, you know. So it's like it's it's real obvious, but addressing the Lewis Cypier portion of it, the the hidden in way too plain sight secret that Robert de Niro is the devil in this movie. In the book as well, it's pretty spelled out. You can he's you know, he meets him at six sixty six whatever Street, and clearly, and when you're reading it, it's even more obvious, like they we see it a couple of times written on screen, but really it says when you're reading the words, you know, on a on a book page, it becomes quite obvious.

And so it became quite obvious to me then that that's just a big misdirect. It's like it lets the audience think that they've unraveled the big mystery of the end to sort of confuse us before we get to the real deal, which is this guy hasn't hasn't done it. And in that way, I don't know, I kind of liked it, and I enjoy it every time I watch it now because it seems so clumsy and obvious. What else could it be? Alan Parker is a lot of things.

One thing he is not as stupid. Neither is William Hertzberg. And I agree. I don't think he's the wrong director, by the way, for this movie. I think he's the perfect director for this movie.

He just shouldn't have written the script because he came at it, speaking of obvious things, he came at it from the Oh well, black magic, Voodoo, let's go to New Orleans. The book does not take place in New Orleans at all. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, it felt a little Tales from the at times like those Every four thing is going to feel a little Tales from the script here and there. Now, Chris, like they I'm talking about the way that this approaches I'm talking about the way it approaches Voodoo, more specifically speaking more to the way that show approached Voodoo.

At the same time, given that again, like you mentioned, the New Orleans part was completely added on, I mean that is a contrivance of the of the plot. And that's what it When I say it feels like Tales from the crypt I mean, oh, it's it's voodoo. It's got to be set in Haiti, remember, I mean, remember that shit constantly was like, oh, it's nine lane in Haiti. It's like, oh my fuck god, do we have to be this on the nose fucking constantly with And it's like, oh here, it's not voodoo. It's Obeia, Like, okay, it's still voodoo.

The way you're treating it is still the same horseshit way they treat voodoo in everything, which is it often is borderline racist, like and it's not really racist. It's just like it's just poorly conceived, is what I would say, because they always do the same thing, and they do the same thing here where it's you know, people gesticulating and genuflecting in front of a fire and then chickens and it's just like how it was. It was a good scene, but you know what I mean, corrected, it's it's actually kind of spooky and scary, and it bothered me when she killed that chicken. But it's a well, you know what I mean, like that's just a it's a well, oh it's a trope, but this one, this trope was gorgeous ran appropriate for the story he was telling, except like, I mean, see, that was my other big problem because I as a whole I really didn't joy this movie.

But my two biggest problems was I just I would have liked the satan. I don't know. It's not even the obviousness the fucking eyes that was awful. I just I don't know. I wanted something to defend that.

By the way, Heather, you didn't hear me defend either. No, No, you can't defend us. You can't defend us, Alan, we didn't need it. We didn't need it. No, get it, get it, like, no, we already know he's the devil.

You can calm down, baby, like it's all. It's good, it's good. You know, he's ooky, spooky. But the way Foodio was handled, yeah, it to me felt like sub tales from the curbs. Like I just thought it was kind of almost offensively handled, like it was really just like, well, here's some tarot cards and you know, I'm amazed they even knew what Hi.

Hi John, But most people that partake of who do and I'm assuming voodoo as well. Would I think I tend to see it more as a oil. You tend to get it more as a oil. But that's neither here nor there. Um.

But there's no mention of Iowa there's no mention of dumbala, like you don't have any mention of the basic like god, goddess structure of voodoo. Like if you're going to incorporate somebody's belief system, at least try to have a little bit I don't know, be respectful, you know, I mean, Voodo is not really more scary than Christian. Lookid look at the duggers, like, yeah, well, I think I think the script makes that point. They I mean, they put those words in Epiphany's mouth, like, you know what's is? How is this any better or worse than nailing your God to a cross?

You know which? Yes, I go Epiphany, Yeah, I like that. Uh the pentagram again, Okay, that was obvious. Why not do the symbol of sulfur because that's a typical Lucifer symbol. The problem for me what the movie is and the problem with the adaptation.

And I'm sorry if I'm just going to keep comparing the book to the movie. But I like the movie as it is, as its own separate entity. But as if I like it as it is, if you're not going to sussect it, if we start the des sect that I have to start throwing the book out. I'm sorry, but in the book, the emphasis is that this is he's investigating a man who was involved into the dark arts, no matter what the denomination. You know, like he was he was looking in every corner in every culture to achieve his goals.

One of those is voodoo. And one of the characters was involved in voodoo. Other characters were involved in other forms of dark magic. Oh wow, so that would have been cruel. And they used that in the movie because like he because Johnny Favorite is not practicing voodoo.

He's like he's like doing a cult magic. Yes. What's weird is like they don't make that distinction in the movie very well. No, no, And the problem is that it's another movie like comparing voodoo to Satanism. It just conflates the two and makes them the same, and just like Tales from the Crypt, it's that's it's lazy.

The only thing that I can think of that came out around this time that didn't that didn't do this was The Rainbow and the Serpent. But that's because that was the entire point of that entire story. But then the movie, you know, kind of everything the book was about. Yeah, yeah, it kind of undoes exactly. Yeah, so it's you can't win even when you do write a book that's about the voodoo and what it actually means and like the scientific background.

Then the movie is just some horse shit, which is fine. It's some old West craven horse shit. I mean, I can get down with it. But it ain't the book it's got. It's Bill Pullman in a lead role.

Though I like that movie. Though I like it. I enjoyed the movie. That's a good movie. But the problem is this is this thing here where it's just like, voodoo is not Satanism, a cult magic isn't Satanism either, I mean, to be fair, you know, like it's it's kind of conflating everything with Satan and Satan worship or like the ability to conjure sat is kind of what they hint at, because you know, he goes, hey, you know, cruiz Mark says, I saw him conjure Satan one time.

Yeah. I thing like I had a question actually about the Cruisemark character, which for anybody listening, we're assuming you've seen it, but if you haven't, Cruizmark is a small but very vital character that turns up towards in the movie, and he mentions the ritual that is done for Johnny favorite ak Johnny labeling to try and you know, get out of his deal with the devil by basically doing a human sacrifice and absorbing himself into this young man, this young soldier who ends up being Mickey Rourks. Spoiler spoilers exactly. Also, if you get mad about spoilers, global warming is literally happening, So pick and choose your battle. Okay, man, I haven't heard anybody piss on somebody else's parade so hard in my entire life.

But I'm fucking here for it. I come at it with love, guys. I have a heartful love. And if you love truth, come on, baby, Its like But AnyWho, So they allude to a woman being with him. Now that's Margaret Cruz Mark, that's a Charlotte Lampling character.

Correct, Yes, she was there for the sacrifice Adam Stora. How come she doesn't recognize him when he meets her in New Orleans? How come she has recognized Johnny because he has a new face. But wasn't she there? Didn't she see the kid that he know?

Then he went off to the war. Yeah there's yeah, so ah, because he got his face reconstructed after the War The Devil while I'm at my peak of success here, and then fate intervened and dragged him off to war where he got banged up and he had facial reconstruction surgery, just like John Handsome. Oh my god, how like you to have your Phase three constructed into like eighties era Mickey Rourke instead of looking Yeah, we talked to York for a minute here. Mickey Rourke was like my absolute hope as an actor, because you know, I had seen him first. I think in Body Heat No.

Nineteen forty one. He's one of the tank guys in nineteen forty one, and I was like, who's that guy. It's like, Oh, he's Irish too. Okay, that's clannish and stupid, but you know I'm Irish and I grew up anyway, so I was really proud. And then he's super charming and in each role in each movie, like he just gets better and better, and he's getting like bigger and bigger parts.

And then he's the fucking motorcycle boy and Rumblefish. He's just the absolute coolest thing on planet Earth. And I'm so excited, and it keeps going and to get him here, and he's great, and then of course he fell off the universe like for a while, and he became this whole other human being. I keep reading reviews of movies, of these movies, recent reviews where people are like, oh, I had no idea what young Mickey Rourke looked like. I didn't realize he was so hot and you know, sexy and talented, like they only know the wrestler and whiplash from a Marvel movie.

Kind of crazy. That's very crazy. Yeah, he's so good. Like I I'm not shocked because I love him, but like his performance and the like, especially towards the end, the way he handles that, like his raw emotion, and also the fact that like I was because I kept going back my mind because there are times where his character is kind of a dick, like No put In ten because he's private detective. But but it's like, oh god, that's brilliant because that's kind of like a subconscious sort of like callback to you know, to the person that stole him soul, Like he's basically in way like two people, and he's phenomenal.

He's so fucking good in this movie. And I just, uh, yeah, I think more people. I wish more people would prace him as an actor now because I do think the plastic surgery people tend to focus on that. I mean, it's but like if that's all you focus on, you're missing the point. Like this is a really this guy's a great actor.

And he's also like a big fan of animals, Like he loves small dogs and he has a small dog with him in Once upon a Time in Mexico. He always he he has a locket that he wears of his of his Chihuahua that's so longer with us, Like this man truly loves his dogs and hen And he was in what I Need a Bird, I need my bird iron Man, all those iron Man two fans out there, his character suddenly has a bird, Like that wasn't in the script, you know, it was making it was just like get me a bird, or I'm not doing that faking good. He did a commercial for some like non alcoholic beer in Europe like years ago, and in it he says, this is his toast and this is like my motto for life. Too small dogs and goddamn revolution.

That's a quote. That's a quote. I love him. Mickey Rourke is a gift and he's God, he's great in this He's so he's amazing in the film. And what struck home for me rewatching the movie is it is of absolute one hundred percent importance in these private eye movies where we drop in and we're not given any backstory on the character, in this one, we end up knowing everything about this character.

But the same camp be said for like Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe or any of the other characters. You need a charismatic person who just their presence gives us everything we need just their actions in the way they handle themselves. And that's what he does here, because initially we get nothing about who he actually is, you know, like he mentions a couple of things about his past, which again we're big clear warning signs for the audience. Oh, which is red at the beginning of the movie. Right, Oh yeah, it's like it's not like a twist, is it?

Like I don't like I feel like the intention of the pieces not to be a twisty piece. Oh no, it is. It's definitely meant to be a but like it doesn't seem like it because like it's everything just seems so apparent, but like a parent for a for another purpose, like you said, like it feels like they want you to take something else away from this. Not Oh, it's he is the guy he's looking for. Like that doesn't ultimately seem like the point when you kind of know when when when when when Robert DeNiro goes playbacknize you like that he doesn't that is that not?

Is that not what he says to him? Like that's what he doesn't? Oh, no, he does. Actually don't know, Chris, was don't meet the parents scenario out there? You know what that was just a younger version of that.

You know that it was for subtle when Matt come on, Yeah, that was hilary. Robert DeNiro bob to his friends. That was hilarious. Chris, I want what did you imagine if Stone called Steve Boston was the devil of this h goddamn it. You know I love you know eggs are eggs are these eggs are the windows to the mind.

That's why I like to eat eggs. If So Cold is gonna take anything away from this movie, it's how much he loves eggs. I love eggs, You love eggs. I love him too, item in the Breakfast for Protein mentioned something in that egg scene when he says when he says the egg is the symbol of the cell and these other concerts. Before he eats the egg, he says, would you like an egg?

And I thought, fucking hilarious. He's really funny. It was funny. That was funny I did. I did like that.

Contrast this against the other actor that you put de Niro up against, fucking who Peccino, when when he did his Devil he was had like they're having both so much goddamn fun with these roles like I and I'm sorry, yeah there, I've never done that one Pucino and Devil Advocate. He's having so much Hejian abshit T Landlord, like all of that shit is just fucking gold. And I mean, the movie's not great, but he's having a good time. And if you're an audience member who enjoys watching those actors go for it, you're having a good time too. That's why this movie worked for me is because I could tell everybody seemingly was having a good time making it.

The problem with this movie, the problems with the movie to me were and continue to be, not that it was obvious where it was all going. The problem, and it's a big rue is that Harry Angel is a fucking terrible detect Yeah, he doesn't do any detecting at all. He runs into characters who tell him the next piece of the puzzle and then he goes to them. That's all that happens, and and he does so following from clue to clue. He does so in the clumsiest way possible.

When he is tailing Toots Sweet, guitar artist in New Orleans off to the big Voodoo meeting, he follows him for like ten feet behind with his headlights on. I was like, why don't you just like pull up next to him and say I'll ride with you and everything like So he's got the effective and more of a guy with a pocket full of fake IDs, like they're doing all the that work for him of ingratiating him. Because because as soon as he has ingratiated himself to the to his mark to get information out of him, he immediately announces I'm a private eye and here's what I need from here. He's the worst. You know, I didn't initially have a problem with that, but you're right, like I would say, if if you're somebody that loves detective stories for the art of the of the mystery, of the art of solving a mystery, and like you want to go full like this, you know, Jessica Fletcher on this, this is yeah, this is not your mystery, um, because it's not kind of like what Chris this is alluding to.

It's not it is a mystery, but it's not that heart of a mystery to us all either. So yeah, that's that's fair. I think, though, why do you, like, you guys help me kind of further nail why. I think my problem with DeNiro in this, and it's not that he's bad, because it's it's Robert DeNiro, Like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be that hot take first and that's gonna. No.

DeNiro is great, he's a great actor. He's a phenomenal, phenomenal actor. I don't think that's an argument. He is funny and he smirks, and I think maybe for me because the film is so dark and it actually is really I think one of its strong suits is that it doesn't sugarcoat it, like this is fully committed to the story. It's fully committing, like Okay, we're going there, We're going dark.

I think I wanted a disturbing satan. I think I wanted a scarier satan that kind of just creeps under your skin. Like you mentioned Pechino, Like you know how Peccino a than of Godfather won. I think that's chilling. Yeah, Like because you just see a change man.

You see a man that's basically has lost his soul and it's like his eyes to quote the great Robert Shaw, he's got that. He's got black eyes like get downs, but you know what I mean, Like it's um so kind of like a top I heard. I listened to h I listen to interview with Alan Parker about this movie. He said he got a call from Robert de Niro in Paris. Well, they were they were prepping the movie and de Niro was over there shooting something else, and he said, I found I found a cane.

I think my characters should have a cane. There's these beautiful um antique canes that this dealer has here. They're about twenty that I think we could choose from. Any one of them would be good, but I want I want the options, So could I buy them? And he said of course, how much are they?

And he said, but they're all about ten thousand dollars each, And Alan Parker said, I'm going to put a man on a plane with a polar eye. That's why we got those shitty eye effects. De Niro and is like Boosie goodbuying all the kings. We could have had like professional tech lenses. But mister and mister DeNiro also hearing Chris's Piccino is now my new favorite thing.

Thank you, Chris. It's but to your point, to both of your points, it's it's not like he's in a different movie. But the movie that Mickey Rourke is in is so dark and so overbearing. I mean again, I mentioned seven because the atmosphere in that movie is a character unto itself. It is just there's a lot of dread and there is a suffocating nature.

And look, New Orleans is not in the book. But if you want to go somewhere where people are gonna look sweaty as fuck constantly and really get something out of that, New Orleans is where you go. And they, i mean they get a lot out of it. But all of that oppressiveness of the environment is not mere in what DeNiro was doing. That's fine, it's just to your point how they're like it could have used a different kind of character.

But I think when you've got DeNiro, it's like, well, he's gonna do what he's gonna do, which, again, like you you make your you make your deal with the devil. When you have someone like DeNiro in your movie, I mean again, it's a Faustian bargain of its own kind of you know. I just watched Brazil for the first time. I'd never seen it before, and he was so distracting in that movie, and I was so worried that he was going to be distracting in this movie. And he's not at all distracted, even though he's doing something that is at odds with the story that the movie is telling.

Evidently, was offered the role of Harry Angel and read the script said no, I want to be Cipher. I mean, it's the more fun part of course it is. Why wouldn't do this, right? Yeah, And I think it's a really good performance. I I don't know, it's such actually a minor part of the movie.

But what I like about the movie ultimately as it is, even though it should have just been set in New York and not not in New Orleans. Is regardless of that, it is absolutely gorgeously filmed. Um. I watched this with my girlfriend last night, and but three quarters of the way through the movie, she said, you know, by now I would have found something to distract me from from the period piece and this of it, you know, like there would have been some sort of anachronism. She was like, this feels like they just took modern cameras back to nineteen fifty five.

And I think that's totally true. It's like it's it's really a great looking movie and very well considered. It feels like a like an Argento movie. If you if you were if he you know, had a little more eye toward plot, dare you? Oh you know, I mean, I've never watched Argento for the story necessarily, but I also I found out that initially Parker wanted it because it's an noir.

I wanted to shoot it in black and white, and he was told absolutely not. And now if you watched the movie, he drained any primary colors out of it. It's all muted. It's all grime and grit and earth tones except red for blood that is bright and pounding anytime we see it. Also, like The Oranges and The Godfather, since we've just brought up The Godfather, the fan.

Anytime we see a spinning fan, someone's about to die in this movie. The other thing I fucking loved in the movie is every time Harry enters the scene, the first thing he does is play with the murder weapon, and then the scene continues, and then that up to and including the Gumbo. He picks up a crab and tosses it into the vat of gumbo where the guy's gonna end up soon afterwards. All of these things are great, So I actually thought that the fan thing was to follow me. I was under the impression that the fan was talking about what is and isn't reality of what's going on, because it's some points there's the span, the span span or the works, but the fan would spin one way and then sometimes because there's a lot of mirroring in this movie, right looking into the mirror.

De Niro says it at the end of the movie about you know, you can sneak up on a mirror, but your reflection will still be you know, some some of that, And and they show the fans spinning one way, and then they show them spinning another way, and it is somewhat congruous with what we're perceiving as reality. And then what I guess is the unreality because there are flashback scenes to someone else's life that Mickey Rourke is seeing. And then there's just like hallucinations, and those hallucinations come in the form of all kinds of different things. There's a moment where he's he keeps hallucinating this like elevator and and seeing this elevator going up and down, and it's again like there's a lot of that going on.

And a woman, a woman in black, who he keeps in each of his dreams slash hallucinations. He gets closer and closer to her. One time he gets closer to her in person, and he gets the shit kicked out of him, and at the end it turns out to be clean shaven. Robert de Niro didn't and I didn't understand what what what that was, because I mean, you could read it as the woman in black is the is the woman that he was having that affair. Way, No, I believe that that was that was when he made the deal with the devil.

That's how the devil appeared to him, But why is the devil cleaning up after him? Just like he has changed his face, the devil has changed his own he's now But why the devil? Why is the devil doing that? Like, because like there's got to be like there's like a plot reason for everything in this movie. Why I ask?

I don't know that I can speak specifically to why he did that, other than the weirdness factor of it. And of course he was always Harry is always making his way toward the devil. Johnny Favorite is making his way towards the devil. These are Johnny Favorite hallucinations and in memories that are happening. But ultimately, when you when you step back and think about the entire plot of this movie now for it to actually make sense, and it does.

What this is is a revenge tale where the Devil is marionetting a guy to kill everyone who ever helped him and he ever cared about, even in his twisted, horrible evil way, making him kill them, only to make him realize that he did it afterwards, and then take him down to hell. Right, that's what's happening, right, It's horrifying. I mean, the guy deserves it because he's a fucking horrible, terrible person. But we're just watching this horrible thing enacted so and poor Harry Angel, I know, I Angel back in nineteen forty three, because this ain't him. I thought for something to say, because he's a fucking terrible detective.

Everybody is like that alone a damn to hell. That's something I really love so much about Mickey Work's performance is that I really got the feeling, especially when you do have the big reveal that it in some ways it's still like it's like Harry Angel is still in there somehow, and it's like he's really like two people, and it's just like I can't even imagine, like the just how that would mess with your mind and your your heart and your soul if you found out not only are you not who you yourself, but the person you truly are is this horrible, horrible human being who's a murderermitted human sacrifice. Um knowing Lee just had awful, terrible, softcore sex with his granddaughter, Lisa bonet Um and she does water.

It's his daughter. It's his daughter. Why don't you thinking grands are because because she has a baby, Okay, his daughter, she either way, it's terrible. I mean, it's not like Emma is fucked up. Movie doesn't even hang on it either.

It's just like a bang your daughter. Okay, yeah, but oh yeah, by the way, that's the other thing, Like she she tells the story about having getting fucked by the devil and having this baby. So that was DeNiro. So it's another fuck you to Harry Angel via the devil. Like, oh, by the way, you're we're really related now because because your your your daughter's child is my child as well, or you know, also I taped that first.

Yeah, totally, he got he got cut. Would that be a great van Halen song? Cocked by the Devil? Cut talked about the why for this movie? Uh yeah, where's the where's the motor Head like outro song for this movie?

Oh god, that would totally be the I mean, Hell Razor three had a fucking Motorhead song. Like the best thing about Hell Razor three is that motor Head song. Best thing The guy with the camp compact, the guy with the camera for a head is my mother. The twins they would like stick together, man. I would give either one of you a kidney if you needed it.

But come on, that Motorhead song is a banker come on the video. Yeah, it's great. Let me place chess with Pinhead and let me wins. Yes, I get this. This this movie needed a little bit of levity at the end, you know, really needed some And he takes out the high notes by the way.

So one of my favorite bits in the movie, and this is an Alan Parker thing, when he goes to visit that couple on Coney Island, which is beautifully shot, by the way, that why real only nature shot we get and it's still grimy and gross. Um, that guy gives him a nose guard that that he now wears like inappropriately throughout the rest of the movie, just like making him more gross, which I think is just a nod to Chinatown. But Jake, Jake gets getting his nose cut. You know, there's a lot of Yeah, there's a lot of Chinatown references. In fact, when when when Mickey Rourke is interviewing or not interviewing but like harassing too Sweet in the bathroom and the guard grabs him, throws him up against the wall and puts the chicken foot up to his nose.

It's exactly like you know what happens to nosy people, they lose their nosis. Oh my god, Yeah, that's scene of Chinatown always squirts me out. I just like, I just thought of your nostrilize like that so effective. I love, by the way, what you said about the landscape and the cinematography and the tabe. I agree so much.

This is a gorgeous like between the cinematography, which is Michael and I'm trying to say his name right, Michael Saracen, this great New Zealand cinematographer who I'm sure, as father Malone knows, has worked a lot with Alan Parker, including Bucksy Malone. And between hint cinematography and just the composition, it's like Alan Parker really does know how to give a landscape, a building, a texture, a space umph to it to where you just feel it like everything. And and it's also a great exercise in showing. I think current filmmakers you could have desaturation and still have your image look textured and rich, because I think the problem is, like you know, I see a lot of I see like films now where it's just oh, we'll just put a blue filter on something, or we'll just bring down a color on this, but they don't understand, like you still need to light stuff.

If you're doing something like you're trying to do something retro and be like, oh, we'll have it black and white or look like this, then you had a light stuff to give it depth, to give it a you know, a palpable feel to it. And you know, that's kind of what separates the you know, the week from the strong when it comes to visual like movies and visual arts in general. Every frame in this picture looks phenomenal and there's no butt to that. I do. I did have a little quibble, not a strong one.

I could have dealt with less saxophone in the soundtrack, Oh me too. Not you know what I could deal with all the saxophone. What I could not deal with with the discordant minor key piano canoeing at full fucking volume. That would be a transition from scene to scene. Thank you.

All that is in, all of that is in service of trying to get the audience to realize that it's Johnny favorite, because isn't that they talk about the song and that's them playing that like those those are like the opening keys of the song, right yeah, But I mean it's just it's just like they keep reinforcing look and the thing with actually the most subtle and most annoying way too. And I thought that I thought the thing with the nose guard was because he had plastic surgery and didn't like those. Didn't your like nose melt back in the day if you were out in the hot sun. No, that isn't that a thing. I don't I don't know, but that is certainly not why the character got it.

He got it because he randomly ran across a guy and Coney Island who gave it to him. Also, But it could reinforce the idea that he had a change face, is what I'm getting it. Yeah, but he already had the chance fast. It didn't mean he needed to keep wearing it throughout the rest of the fucking movie. We get the one scene with him with the fucking nose guard, and we go, oh, I got it.

Uh, But it was actually supposed to pay off the last shot in this movie, when he takes the elevator on down to Hell. It was the elevator door opens, he steps off into this black void and reaches into his coat and puts on the nose guard, And then that was gonna be the end, and then Parker was like, I don't know, it seems too funny. We can't end on a funny note. And I wish he had because that's what that guy would have done. Well might as well after like the gooney, I'm sorry that baby.

That shot of the toddler with the cartoon eyes. I can't, I can't, I cannot like, oh, it's a devil baby. Oh no, it's a devile baby. Guys, we got a devil baby. It's just so, it's it's a terrible it's a head superimposed on on a body that's moving, and so the body and the head aren't moving in cons it's so weird.

I mean, clutch Cargo had more dignity than than that optical effect. She has look looked like Bruce Lee, h what's the is it? The oh god damn death where it's like just like a cut out in front of his face. It's not great. No, that's not great and not necessary.

Again there's again That's what I was getting at with, like, there's a lack of subtlety in this movie that I don't I don't know why there needed to be a lack of subtlety. When like we're given the amount of unseubtle things that they do, starting with Louis Cipher, like there's just I don't know. It's like there's a lot of things where when you watch it the second time, you're like, right, and that and that and that and that. It's like, I guess if I had just listened to the first time, I wouldn't have got I would have like gotten it. It's like it doesn't feel like it's hard to pick up on.

Not in a bad way, is what I'm getting at. It's just some of the unsubtle stuff, like the piano thing. It's just it becomes like or the heart beating becomes a little much. Oh, I kind of liked the heart beating. I actually the the but I didn't like how many times there was like a grizzly discovery' here a scream that wasn't coming from anybody.

That's what it sounded like to me, where it's like what But because it made me think of the stings you would hear from Baywatch nights, it's still and if I'm thinking of Baywash Knights, I can't be scared. I can only be delighted because I'm thinking about David Hasselhoff finding were wolves and stuff. I mean, that's a that's a place of pure joy, that's not terror, um and that's a whole probably patrolling these streets at that time. I bet I bet he would have out smart at the Devil New Orleans Nights. Yes, oh my goddess, um Alans and Gallan here I hear he's a lawman in these parts.

He's only interested in being a lawman in places that are the desert, where he can harass people that don't look like him. That's what I've heard. That's terrible, Stephen, for your folks, um ire. And now when I said earlier that there were some things in this film, I thought because Alan Parker, as I think we all do, um and I think as a whole, he did a great job with this. I feel like though the one the one thing in particular I felt like, I don't think this is right fit for him was Honestly, I didn't care for the voodoo scene, but I could live with it.

The sex scene. I was like, I just kept thinking of, like, what we can Russell have done with this, and that's not fair to Alan Parker. It's nobody and I don't know. I'm admitting that, but I can't help it. This is where my brain goes to because like I because I love Ken Russell, like ever a Ken Russell for your girl, And I don't know Allen Parker doing a sex scene because even like when the nudity has handled this film, I don't know, it just felt like a white I got a boob in there.

But if you're handling it well and that's not a that sounds like your mom joke or whatever her as she's a joke. And I don't mean it like that. I don't. I don't know. I mean, I didn't have a problem with it.

Obviously I'm not a prude, but I certainly don't mind nunity at all. But um, I don't know. I just so there were moments like that it just felt to me a little bit like maybe slightly out of his wheelhouse. And it's been also knowing the book, I want to read the book. Canal what you've said about the book comparatively.

Um, yeah, he shouldn't have worked, he shouldn't have written the script. The whole New Orleans thing you write is hockey, especially because like like throughout throughout South there is like practice of like if you're going to do you know who do or vood do that voodoo that you do. It's it's all throughout the rural area, right. And here's the thing in the book, they don't go to New Orleans because New Orleans does not figure into it at all, because what they're really doing is is commenting on like how these rich old white board people are, like, you know, they've taken everything from everybody. Now they're taking their their dark religions, you know, like that that's how much of a plaything everyone is to them.

Like the final sort of sequences, No, there's there's okay. One of my problems with the movie is it's all exposition heavy, and that's not a problem necessarily except we never see any of it. When the guy's giving the big speech at the end telling us all these events that occurred, I was like screaming, like we could see this. You know, it's a movie there, you have a camera. What you're describing sounds fantastic.

What happened inside that room that the entire the movie keeps showing us a shot of an apartment building, this desaturated, gray and gross apartment building with one window like lit red with the fans spinning in it, and we never I mean we get flashes of something that happened in there that was horrible. We don't get anything really, Like during the sex scene, we get flashes of an orgy for a moment, there's all these white people, like and that was a scene that was supposed to be from the cruise mark characters a description like we you know, we were also involved in to balance out black people were doing it, but guess what, the white people were doing it too, and we were doing it way worse because they're just doing their rituals.

We're trying to summon Satan. That's not pleasant here. That's all the book is, you know that. And that's what I mean by saying the thing about the occult and like taking the occult and putting that against Satanism too, because like it's not fair for that either. But I mean again, if you're gonna equate one thing with it, you better do both.

And they just they kind of just go, yeah, a cult whatever. It's like wait a second, like what I mean again, because they go to New Orleans, like if it were New York. I mean they kind of they what's funny is in The Devil's Advocate, they kind of touch on the voodoo thing too, but that is ends up being a misnomer. There's nothing about it that ends up mattering. But they kind of have it in there is kind of like a little bit of a red herring, like maybe he wants you to get involved with that.

Here it's like okay, like the devil wants to be involved, and he is involved, but he ultimately doesn't care, like he doesn't care that they're doing their sacrifices, but I guess he cares that they're doing them in New York. Like I don't like you said, like it's all about I guess it is all about something the devil for their own selfish me right, great, Yeah, Like I just don't know why they couldn't get there right well. And there's also to be like an issue with and and and this isn't this isn't a drag on the film as well, because I love the film, but like I feel like there's always a very big issue when it's like anything that isn't like within the Judeo Christian construct is all of a sudden just like that's evil, that's doc, that's me, you know, what I mean, Like, it's because I think Alan Parker wasn't coming at that from that angle.

I think he was coming at from from that that voodoo is so close to like Roman Catholicism, which is the other sort of dominating thing. Which is funny ultimately, because we're talking about a character named Johnny Lieberman, Yeah, Lieberman or leiblingbling Leibling, oh Leibling. Okay, So what was he? It wasn't German? Assumed he was.

I assumed he was Jewish. I thought that was another funny sort of take on it. Yeah, I mean, I mean the transformative nature of satan. Oh my god, what what is going on? I don't know where we are now?

I don't even know what is life. No, I don't think Gallen Parker himself was coming at it from that either. Like that's that's not me dragging him. Oh yeah, I just you know, I just in general, I feel like that's kind of a complaint and for me, but it's also just kind of like, you know, it's like, oh, here's some terror cards as scary, you know, I don't know, you know what I mean, Like it's like, you know, the book, I think if they'd heightened that whole thing of just like now, the real evil it really is these like awful white people. I'm totally down behind.

I can totally get down by that. The big ritual scene took place in an abandoned subway like New York, like the the Voodoo ritual scene does happen, but it takes place in Central Park. It's like it's all this juxtaposition that was going on about this, like grungy running down Metropolis and the flourishing of the dark arts all about them. It was, I don't know, to me, would have been super cool. I'm not saying that this isn't because he makes everything gorgeous and it's a tone poem and it's its own thing.

But I can't help but compare it to that book because the book was so good. I know, I want to I told I want to get that. Call Netflix, I'm calling a books about that book. Well, I'm actually kind of surprised that this has never been readapted. I know that they had kind of talked about it in the early tens and nothing ever came of it.

But this feels like ripe for reinterpretation in some way, Like and look, Chris Nolan credits this movie with Memento. He says that this movie inspired Memento. I get it, I get it. Sure, I would like to see somebody reinterpret this story in an interesting way, and I think that there. I think that there are different directions that you could take it.

And you know, it is a supernatural story because it's the Devil, but we never really see anything supernatural happen, you know, Like that's I mean, that's the thing that I appreciate about this movie is what what do we see ever supernatural? Other than the eyes of somebody going yellow? That's it, right, Like we never see anything supernatural happen, Like it's it's that this guy sacrifice someone and then you know, we're just assuming that that meant, you know, everybody's on the level and he ate a guy's heart, but we never see it. The only things that we see are like, after the fact, what we believe to be the interpretation of these things happening. I might even pause it.

Do we know that he actually killed any of those people? Right? It could have been the devil? I think in in the book, it is the devil who's actually doing all the killing, and then he's framing uh, right, Harry and he's being like mobilized here, like I guess the devil's working through him. But like, again, you there is a possibility to interpret this that he did none of these things, because again, who knows what you can trust at this point if you can't even trust who you are.

And that scene at the end when Mickey Rourke is looking into the mirrorge I know who I am? That that right there is peak act kind of fucking great because because again, I mean, the kind of the the fuckaro of the movie is. I don't think Harry Angel is a bad person. He's not presented as one. He was a promising young man, right, who just happened to be dropped off in Times Square in like a year after he essentially disappeared.

Yeah, and then he's like, I don't have any memories before then, and it's like, whoa fucking there's a reason for that. Yeah, well, and like all of the touches, because that's the thing, and you know, and I will say, like one thing I do love about this movie, and this is one I was like, well, there's a lot of things love about it, but I was like, this is when those movies where I was like generally excited to talk about, like, oh, like, I can't wait to hear what you guys say about it, because there's a lot to dive into and with his performance, like I kept thinking back of little touches all throughout before I knew the ultimate twist, and it's like because I kept thinking, like, man, he's unusually kind of physically intimate with like doctor Fowler, like that character, and not intimately they're not making it out or anything, but it's like he's in that bubble, like he's touching his face.

He doesn't know this guy. He does it a little bit with Margaret Cruze Charlotte Rampling character um, which honestly, I will say this, I will criticize how little Charlotte Rampling we get, like how can you give us Charlotte Rampling and give us give have her for like three minutes, like it's Charlotte Rampling, come on, Like there's in two scenes, yeah, and barely. Alan Parker effectively is afraid of what you were saying, Chris about showing the supernatural element up into showing just the accoutrements of it, because why weren't we seeing Charlotte Rampling in the past with Johnny Favorite, you know, doing their thing, and we could have shown it. We could have, in fact, had another actor playing Johnny Favorite in those scenes, because he wouldn't have looked anything like this guy, right.

Yeah, And that's and that is my problem with the narrative, is like, there were ways to tell this story where you didn't not show anything, and it feels like they were expecting by not showing anything, that that was going to make the twist work ten times more, and it's like, I don't think that that's the way it works. All you have to do is make the twist compelling and help it recontextualize everything that you've seen up until this point that kind of in parts don't make sense, but when you have the key to decode why those things didn't make sense, they all of a sudden make sense because they've been recontextualized. That's the best kind of twist is one that recontextualizes the movie, and it does because they don't show anything.

That's the problem. They don't show shit. So they're like, well, all these things happened, let me tell you what happened, and it's like we're not getting a different perspective, we're getting a perspective right, and that Americans you love to say, let me tellia something and let me that's what that feels like. They just like break down exposition for ten minutes. It's like, come on, movies, I love you.

Just counted one of my favorite base remaining off that. Yeah, somebody who once worked with somebody I stalk with the guy that was very much like, well, I gots off to sure her about this, and I'd always think of death in me like, um, shut up you Americans. Yet as it did crack me up. Kind of the total whip lash of her father. How he went from to me.

I say, like at first he was like, oh, Margaret Roy was a weird child, always getting into these strange things. Then by the end he's like almost like chizzing his pants about it was glorious, satan like love that Oh my god, that countless gift was gorgeous. I know that sense and I don't guy, I don't know the actor. I'm sorry, and I should now seek out more of his stuff because he was super good. Oh my god.

That I have to say. I haven't seen a total whiplash mormament in film that has delighted me. Uh, that much since h Pro Wrestlers Versus Zombies where Shane Douglas orc w s Chris I know you'll for my wrestling buddy every where. Yeah, he's accused of murder and he's like, I did no such thing. And then the guy's like, may the truth be the last thing that comes out of your mouth, and he's like, that's right, I fucking did it, and I loved it.

That shit is comedy gold. I mean, it's it's obviously agel Hart. It's it's handled a little a little with a little more finesse, but it's still I still appreciate it. It's my point and the actor does handle it. Um.

So that was a great blend of like funny but really like whoa, Okay, we just went into another land. Um. But it would have Yeah, it would have been nice to nice to see it. And again maybe that's the other reason why those will I mean, other than the poor optical effect, all of a sudden, having got eyes when you've seen nothing is either gonna work tremendously because you have the uncanny all of a sudden, like a glimpse of the uncanny, and that shit can actually work tremendously well. If it's hand old correctly, but if it ends up looking like sub like, I was like, almost like ms paint bad.

I just can't. Oh yeah, it's terrible. Can I just say though? In nineteen eighty seven, fourteen year old he was completely freaked out by both of them, assisted both those sets of eyes. Oh my god, you know what I'll I can admit this six year old me Thriller, those gold eyes, Oh, I was I don't must pee my pants.

Scared me so much. And I'm like Michael Jackson's Werewolf. I was fine with the werewolf. I was like, that's awesome. That Werewolf's cool.

It was just him as his like regular self. And then he turns around that lashed eye. Thriller looks right and he's got the yellow eyes. Oh hell no, hell no. I felt like that's what they were going for here, and it just like, I don't know.

They do it with the near and they do with the kid, and it, I mean, it doesn't work. It doesn't work either place. And again it's it's like, why are you afraid to inject any amount of supernatural into this? This is a story about a guy who ate another guy's heart and absorbed his soul, I guess, and then the soul ended up taking over the original guy's body or again like they never explain why he's not an asshole anymore, Like they just go, well, he was shell shocked, and it's like, yeah, if if Parker didn't want to embrace the supernatural at all, the final scene should have been between Harry and de Niro and DeNiro reveals that, like's his psychiatrist or something, or a cop or something like that, Like I've been chasing you this whole time.

This has been you, you dummy. You have a split personality and you're a psychopath ever since the war. I mean, you're still going to hell like you know Well's And that's the thing. It's like, what we end up seeing is a guy who, for all intents and purposes killed a bunch of people, and the people who would arrest him and take him to jail would have no idea why he did it, and he will rot on death row. Like that is what happens to Harry Angel.

Yes, he goes to hell at the end of the movie, metaphorically, like it's not literally, because everything that's happened in this movie, none of it has been supernatural. So I've got to assume that it's a literalism other than Robert de Niro and the Yellow Eyes. And that is the ultimate problem. How can you be afraid to to tap into those things when the movie is about the fucking devil making a deal with Even Phantom of the Paradise taps into it better. Oh my god, what even even Fantom of the Paradise, it doesn't it's not.

Phantom of the Paradise isn't necessarily concerned with doing that either. It has the same thing of like it's taking place in the real world, and so we have to have like some sort of real world conventions that dictate it. But even that is more interested in having a kind of something to say about it versus this. It's just like, oh, here's the devil and you're going to hell. It's like, yeah, he killed a bunch of people.

Yeah, well, they show you the deal making with the devil in that movie. Here, we can take everyone's word for it, because that's all that happens in the investigation. He goes to somebody that go, here's what happened, okay, thank you. And the frustrating thing in the script for me is we don't just get an exposition dump from a character, we get a second expedition dump from Harry to Cipher, like he just regurgitates the thing we saw the last scene. I was just like, Okay, that's fine, we're getting that.

Then they keep layering on dialogue from the last scene, like he'll be driving and we'll hear the key keywords from the last sequence, like I don't I just want to find him, I don't want to kill him, you know, Okay, yeah, well we just heard it. Meanwhile, I did love this movie. No, I did too. That's the that's the funny thing. I will say that that gumbo looked disgusting.

I've seen I'm not a gumbo person, but I've seen good looking gumbo. That gumbo is a very boiling nothing. Nothing is going to look appetizing, boiling in a vat like no, no, no, no, But I mean I didn't see it just looked like the gruel, Like it just was like, yeah, Southerners wilate anything here, Let's make it brown. Let's make it brown above if it's gravy. I mean, yeah, Southern is really that?

I mean, Chris, I'm all right, that's true. Do you love some gravy, I ain't. I wish they hadn't cut the line out of the interaction and to get their interaction de Niro and Mickey Rourke where he goes do I spy a Southern accent? I wish they hadn't cut that line out so that they could have been even less subtle than they are written. Yeah, it's just it's what's weird to me, is like for all the unsubtlety, the things that they should have done, like, they just don't do them anyways.

But the movie, to your point, father Malone, I still enjoyed it. Like I watched it three times, and one of those times was the first time. The other two times were by choice, because I mean, well one more time is by choice. So two times with a third. But I enjoyed it, And then I spent a lot of time doing a lot of research about again, the vast amount of imagery that's in the movie, like the up and down with the stairs.

There's a lot of stair imagery of things going up and then down. I mean, I mean again, the movie ends with him getting in an elevator and going to hell. So how on the nose do we need to be here. Oh wait, completely punched us in the face on the note Tales from the Crypt, Yeah, I mean that's definitely it feels like a Tales from the Crypt ending. It does, and like even even with the lack of like it's not ambiguous what happens, but it's it's a metaphorical ending, and that feels like a Tales from the Crypt thing.

Like Tales from the Crypt sometimes did the literal ending, but sometimes they also did like this metaphorical thing. And I don't know, I think it. I think it ultimately works. And I think that's because Mickey Rourke is so charming. Ultimately charming in the end.

Do you think he believed he was embracing the supernatural with the hallucinations and the dream sequences. Do you think, like because in some of those scenes, like when Harry a Lady in Black, you mean yeah, well no, yeah, Like Harry's walking down the street like he's going to get a cup of coffee and a cheeseburger while the while the speed freak doctor is going to be sleeping it off. And he walks past a church with its door banging open, and then he goes to look in and there are two nuns who like look at him in unison and then the elevator arrives and the door opens by itself, like and then he shakes that image off. But that happened. He wasn't sleeping right now, he saw the woman.

He saw the woman in black too, him and the lawyer did right, Like, that's what I don't get, Like, there's shit in this movie that makes that actually makes no sense because he sees the woman in black in reality? Is he seeing her or is he is he seeing her? Are they both seeing her the same way? Or is only he seeing her one way? Because the story is being told from ostensibly his perspective, Like, that's what I can't figure out.

And Alm Parker doesn't seem to be interested in giving any answers and or writing a story that answers those questions that it seemingly asks intentionally or not. Well, he's too preoccupied trying to get this serpentine plot into a two hour movie. In that regard, You know you did that, but maybe give it to somebody else. I don't know, Maybe you could do a screenwriter, William Schwartzberg. Yeah, let the guy who wrote it directed, or just write it.

How about that, Yeah, I think No, I think his direction is beautiful. This is a you know, a studio movie out of eighty seven, and it looks great and ultimately, you know, he was getting away with a lot here in nineteen eighty seven in America like this. This is a movie about a guy who's investigating himself, killing everyone he's using to investigate, and then eventually having sex with him, killing his own daughter before being carted off to hell. This is a fucking hugely dark movie in the middle of right on Rah Rah Ronnie Reagan's America. So in that way alone, it stands in his achievement and would not have happened without Alan Parker.

I know there were a lot of people trying to get this movie made for a long time. Book came out in seventy eight, Like I think John Frankenheimer was going to do it at one point, and Dustin Hoffman was a talent did one point. Robert Redford was attached to one point. But yeah, but the tone of the movie, I think it is correct directorially, I just wish, once again it had a better screenwriter. I think that's the crux of it.

Yeah, Because I think the direction, Yeah, the direction's great. I just like there's so many you know, and I feel like I hate I hate feeling like it's only equivalent because I loved it. But I think when you see something that has like so many strengths, you know, you want everything else just to kind of like you want the little things to rise up and just make it that much sweeter. Maybe, you know, like if something's just mediocre and no there's no vision attached to it, you don't really care because they're just like this is a lot of couse. But I definitely think not having the New Orleans setting would have solved a lot of a lot of the problems.

I mean right down to like the like the cops, like right out of the stereotypical like Oberweight, you breaks did it boys? And it's like New Orleans isn't small town? Don't okay, Like New Orleans is not a small town. But also one thing, um, I don't know if maybe a lot of people don't know unless they either have been or from New Orleans or have been friends with people from New Orleans. Uh native people native new you know, citizens of New Orleans don't sound like their Cajun they don't.

They don't have that accent like they at times almost it's almost sounds like Brooklyn. Ironically enough, like Mickey Rourk wouldn't sound that different. They maybe they were drawing that parallel. Yeah now, but granted the Cajun guy that when he does meet out in the rural area, that does sound pretty up in it because that guy was that was not uh, that was English, but maybe not. I don't know.

That's the passinating thing about the Deep South. I don't know, like if like especially if you go further up, like Chris, have you ever been actually either one of you ever been through like the Delta that is the thickest Southern accent. Like I'm from the South and I cannot any time I've talked to somebody from the Delta, I'm I'm lost. I'm just it's like boone hour from King of the Hill. It's like it's all I hear is like that I am And I'm like, it's good to know that that provincial like accents remain, you know.

I take grass, yes, um oh, yes, that break of country. Every region has its own landscapes. Very something very cool about about our funny little species. But Chris, I have a review of this movie from nineteen eighty seven. Would you like to hear is it two words?

No sandwich? No, it's a movie made by white America that cast a black girl, gave her voodoo things to do and have sex. Oh I know who wrote that holding kale, mister Bill con Oh yeah, well he didn't mention his His real problem with it was that the sex was consensual. Fuck za zang, motherfucker. Yeah, she was too conscious and fighting back.

Yeah, because as should be in prison. Still. Also, it's not a movie member white America. It was maybe by a British filmmakers, made by a white British guy, gave her voodoo things to do and have sex. But you know, her character is actually pivotal and it's the true tragedy of the actual movie.

And it cannot be overstated how luminous and wonderful Lisa Bone is in this film. I do not understand why she did not have a massive film career. I met her one time at the New Wilshire Theater in Santa Monica. She lost her glasses and asked me to help her find them, and it was like having an angel in the room. It was bizarre.

People talk about that it factor, you know, like the like you know politicians and game show hosts have They just walk in and everyone's like, Oh, who's that over there? That was Lisa Bona. I believe her in high fidelity, she's great, geez fantastic. That's the only other thing I've seen her in sigh fidelity, and she's great in that. And yeah, he's a great I mean, her daughter is immensely talented as well, obviously, so I also she might have sold her soul to the devil because she has not Yeah what the fuck she has not a It's like maybe with Jason Momoa, maybe it's like he has the secret power give me it's forty four.

Wow, isn't that how you say his last name? Just week, Jason Momoa Shark Week Zone. I think it'd be hilarious that they did Shark Week on Lifetime that I'm a woman. I'm a woman. I can make that fucking joke.

You did, we heard it? Then? I made a period joke. What do you think about that? America do with these woke females are doing the period topics like selling your soul to the devil.

I would love to go full like Donata Sparks from L seven on guys like Ben Shapiro and just pull out a used tampon and throw it at him would be great. I'm sorry. And then I got fucked by the devil. Thank you very much. I could I see the rest of my time that you weren't talking about real evil.

When a man hears wap and all he can in his reaction is like, there must be something wrong. Why were these women if they're getting wet? Thought of Satan? It's that that redhead. It is that redheaded devil, if you know what I mean?

Wow, are you saying he didn't start wearing a teacher that says Satan makes me moist? I mean, that is the implication here, is it? Not that Lisa Bonet was getting That was Oh that was like fifteen year old. It's like when Harry rolls off of her and she's like, not bad, get the devil, and Robert de Niro comes in and just like wanks, like, hey I told you before, Harry, Harry a church. Oh my god, it's funny.

Ever you did Father alone? I think I want to see this movie, but with Father Malone is Satan? Hey, I'm they're going to remake it I'm I'm volunteering. I'll do it for free. Oh no, no, no, I'm with I'm with Sag.

Never mind scab. That's completely joking, And nobody would ever hire me anyway, so it doesn't matter. Well they should, God damn it. Well now it's the time to hire you. If they're looking to hire you, bro, were you gonna piss off?

Huh? Christ, I'll read the audio book. Somebody wants to hire me for that? I don't think it's that. I don't know what that's considered.

I don't know either. Maybe maybe I'm just going to reread the book quietly to myself. You could add yourself. You could record yourself reading the audio books. Oh yeahs way media presents Father alone reading Falling Ah.

Put on some lee process nows and tap them against a hard shell egg while press William Shartsburg versus Father Alone. I love the name Hewartsburg Shartsburg. It's me name like that. Heather Drain is a pretty cool name, bro, What the fuck talk about? I had to give myself a fake middle name on Facebook just to sound cool.

I assume that was real last No, it's not last name. It was not my real middle name. If someone's real middle name is Lazarus Lucky, then man, you should change it to laser laser Ass. That would be if that well, that would be if I were an angel Hart too, I would be laser mister laser Ass. I didn't know you were Lazarous in researching this this project.

In twenty twenty, William Shortzburg. Yeah, a second novel, Yes, a sequel to angel Hart. Yeah, yeah, Now to read it, like, yeah, I found that out today. I have shame on me. I mean, I don't know who was waiting patiently for a sequel to angel Hart, but I mean, I know you, but you know what I mean in terms of the greater narrative of the world.

I saw that too when I was like, interesting, I mean, I don't know how you do a sequel to this, But all right, Harry's back. I hope it takes place in the eighties or nineties, however long it took to put the next book out. You know the other thing. I know, I'm going to stop comparing the book to the movie. But Schwartzburg said that he left in New York.

He grew up in New York. Left in nineteen fifty nine to go to college. So the book is sent in nineteen fifty nine, nineteen fifty five. Parker said it in fifty five because he liked the aesthetic better, but Schwartzburg said it in fifty nine because that he said, that was the last moment he could remember New York perfectly like it would have moved on in some ways, because New York always does so that and the book functions almost like a travelogue. It is so uniquely detailed of all these different places and events that we're going on in New York at the time.

You know, as much as it does need a remake, I guess that's what I'm getting at somebody, and do it really well, because I do love the movie that Alan Parkers in some ways, that was the only way the movie was going to get made in the time it was made, and he did the most skillful job he could with it. But let's get another version going. Robert Downey Junr. Is the Devil Guys game for that one. No, actually, there is a quick pain of him and natural Born Killers where he's got devil horns.

That's a cool image. I mean, I don't know, just put that out. You have to have some way if you're gonna go. I mean, I guess the question would be, if you remade this, would you have the devil be menacing or would he be charming? Because that's essentially how you cast the person, right, Like, can you imagine mad smikel send us the devil?

Yeah? More can I do? Anyways? I know, says sexy devil. I mean yeah, I mean, I don't careful.

I talked about cannibalism on a previous show, and I got followed by a cannibalism podcast. But if you guys are listening, wait a second, I don't understand. Like you, you said something in your audience found you. I know that awesome the magic of social media. But I do want to be messing.

I do want to stress. I'm a vegetarian. I don't need people. Was just saying, if a fucking human hand shows up in your mailbox, like I'm not gonna go no no, no, no no no no, eat it like a corn cob or something, I will say, it's like a missed opportunity. Really, it seems like eating a human heart would be really hard, though it's not like a really tough muscle.

Isn't like the heart. The last thing to burn down. The heart is an extremely hard muscle, and the fact that I was gonna say, he must have some really strong jaw muscles because he ate that thing raw. Oh my god, what if he looks like Richard Keel. It's the only way you can get the soul, So just carve it into small like heart Carpaccia, Like he looked like Jaws from Bond.

This is what I'm saying, or FERRANGI, I mean, that's the only way you're gonna do that. Yeah. Again, like he said, I saw him eat the whole fucking thing, and I was like, a damn this guy. But man, I would have seen that. Yeah, it's really committed.

Yeah, that would have been an f three hour movie because it's bec like fifteen minutes of the sky just gone gnawn on this dude's heart for an hour. Yeah, said Martin. Nobody wants. I mean again, it would have been better than not seeing it at all. So Baby, I mean, I think i'd think of at it.

I don't think you'd want the full people are eating at it, well, I mean they I mean, like you mentioned in the in the intro, Father Milon. This movie was originally X rated and that was because of that sex scene. And I mean, it's fine. It is gratuitous and it is it is gory and it is over the top. I'm not saying it's not needed, but I don't know, like how much further could you have pushed it?

Like it's just a boot a fucking boondoggle, Like this was not rated X? Okay, what what? What would have made this rated X? Like have you seen the director's cut? I mean I'm assuming what I watched is the director's cut.

Yeah, there's if you're seeing a lot of his ass while while he's thrusting into her, then yeah, that's the director's cut. And you know what, I didn't see that. I saw the R rated version when I saw it in the theater. So this is the first time I've seen the director's cut, and m yeah, it works better with the other with a lot of those cuts. Yeah, Like it's like this is gratuitous for what purpose?

It actually is gratious. I think he was just trying, like I'm pushing it. I'm gonna push you know, like the in the NBA, We're a bunch of cocksackers during the nineteen eighties, so like it was only fair to push back at them, but at the same time, movie doesn't need it, like not at all. The horror of what's going on is horrible enough. Right, you made point, right, And you know, we've kind of mentioned how everybody dies in the movie, but we mentioned Lisa Boney.

The way she dies is pretty horrific. I mean, it's a one they say it in one line, but it's pretty horrific because he stuck his gun up upper and shots apparently what happened. So yeah, yeah, that was fucking awful, Like it's rough, and also the way that you know, like it's like one of the worst for like a woman's vagina. John is not a great word, but yeah, it sucked my head up as a kid, honestly that that that image of the white bed and the blood where it was, and then you find out why it was just like oh no, no, no, like like all of the other levels of disgusting, terrible human behavior that we're on display, like got pushed out and I walked away with the image of that white bed and what happened there.

It's really truly horrific, and it seems kind of tame now for some reason, because we're forty years in and we all love serial killers, and after this, someone who's listened to this is going to go listen to a serial killer podcast, you know. But like it's really fucked up. Like I'm I know, I keep saying it, but I kind of marvel that Alan Parker got this movie made in nineteen eighties. And that's the thing. It's like the amount of stuff they don't show is because if they were to actually show it, you can't really show it.

So it's all I mean, you know, seven takes a page right out of this movie's handbook with the thing with Leland Orser and the contraption that Kevin Spacey puts on him. We don't see any of that. We hear about what they found, but we don't see any of It's I mean, we see more here than we do there, and and it's and I think here it's more effective. I would just as effective frankly in a different way, which is again seeing it is pretty grotesque, but it works. And then it's completely ruined by a yellow eyed baby, so you know the So yeah, I know, I'm really glad we watched this, and I'm glad that I've finally seen a movie that's been kicking around my list for a while, and it was and I again, I had not seen Mickey Rourke as the lead in anything so sexy.

Fucker Yeah, boy, well the Promise of the World. Jesus Christ, what a good looking irishman. I was so proud. Let's let's end this on this note. Let's talk about the weird meta textual nature of him playing a character who fucks his face up.

It is like for someone who that then becomes like linked with them intrinsically. It is strange that he does it twice within like five years of one another. Perhaps he was never comfortable with how fucking gorgeous he was and felt that it was a liability and therefore, you know, just a canvas to be molded by by multiple punches to the face with boxing gloves. Go from to go from acting to that sport is just like, man, you know what you're you know what you're you know what you're selling as an actor, and to go and do that it seems like like just like a I don't know, it seems really like negligent behavior. Unfortunately, like I don't know, It's unfortunate, is what I'm getting at.

I mean, I view it and I don't know it's full. Sorry, and I'll say that like for some transparency, But I give that as somebody who felt all right, he strikes me somebody who like kind of was from his heart and his gut and and you know, we're all he and mad. Sometimes some decisions are better than others. That's how we learn, that's how we grow. But maybe there's something to be said about somebody who's like, you know what, fuck vanity.

You know, maybe you know, you know there's depth here. It's and I mean, yeah, I mean he's physically physically beautiful this area. But you know what, anybody, you know, with with roll of dice and good genetics, you can have that shure. Maybe with some makeup, maybe sometimes with little niptuck, but a the end of the day, are you an interesting person? Are you a person of standing?

Are you somebody who can tell a good story? Are you somebody that's actually going to be worth spending time with? You know, it's you know, there's so much more to life. I actually have a lot more respect for him with that than I do, you know, because I think, like, you know, who would you rather hang out with than have a conversation with Mickey Rourke, who can probably tell you all kinds of crazy, cool stories, nut nutty stories, and just he's lived a life and he's still living it, or like somebody who's spent their entire life in a gym. You know.

I I think the thing that disappoints me is not like what ends up happening with him in his career, but the way he kind of ended up, like his career like got hurt because of it, seemingly. And that's the unfair part, because I mean it didn't affect his acting ability at all. It's your like financial viability or your viability to be sold as an actor anymore. Like that's the unfortunate part. Like, well, obviously that's that's fueled by what happened with the movies that he had, not being as successful as they were.

That's why he took a break. It's just don't take a break into boxing. That's it's just that's my It's like, that's a really if you want to be a boxer, be a boxer. Well, you know what I think he thought, like I've done it my way and with the face and played the game, and I had didn't have any success, and I'm not that interested in the way I look anyway, and I am interested in boxing. And if that removes that and they have to cast me as a fucking polo look with a dumb looking face, and I don't get to play the dumb lead in movies that don't work anyway, then fine, then so be it.

But it must be stated, however, that Mickey Roork is no doubt a fucking huge pain in the ass to work with. Right He just seems like he might be a nightmare to work with. So some of those roles might have been going away thanks to him doing that sort of his behavior on set, Not that it was any problem. Alan Parker reported no problems with him here, but you know, he seems like a handful. I don't think there's any problems with him on the bar Fly set.

Well, that's probably because that was a movie he loved and wanted to do. You know, Oh that movie is so good. I love that movie. Yeah, I don't know, I have such a soft spot for him. I don't, I don't know.

I said the gym comment. Obviously, athletes has been a lot of times and gems, but I mean, like, you know, there's to be a difference between somebody who's like, like, this is my body, is my work as far as like muscle and movement, you know, the sport of boxing, the art of it. I'm not a big boxing fan, but I mean I respect it. I kind of I worry about people that do boxing because of the head trauma and especially with stuff like CTE that's that's pretty fucking scary. Um.

But also I do love my favorite or boxers though that when and they priced Jesus like that's my he was like, I want to thank my Lord Jesus for like giving this guy head trauma, Like let me beat the shit out of this guy. Thank you for letting me knock the ever loving shit out of this guy to the point where you know he's gonna have those fun cauliflower ears like Rock Lesner. He yeah, I don't want to seem like I'm I'm beating up on on Mickey Rourka because I love him. The other thing that Alan Parker said would he was really intimidated by Robert de Niro, and so he was acting extra in the scenes with de Niro and after every take he would come back to Rourke would come back to Parker and let him know who won.

That's fucking rad. I love that. So they'd be like, yeah, no, he got me, he got me in this scene, and then like come back a little later and I think I won by points by points on this one. It just that makes me love him even more. I'm like, hell, yeah, that's that's a that's some manpower debut right there.

I mean there seems together hard Yeah, good yeah. Wander balone. Final thoughts on Angel Heart read the book Falling Angel by William William Heartsberg. Somebody out there adapt the novel of William Hrensberg's of of William Howartzberg's into a new form of entertainment. At the same time, this is a good movie.

You can watch it and enjoy it. Yes, you know the ending already, Yes, that is the Devil, Like yeah, everything you think that is obvious, it is, and yet you will still be confused and kind of thrilled by what you're going to see. And Mickey Rourke is gorgeous and uh the end, Heather, what about you? As the whole though, I enjoyed it, I think if you are a fan of great sematography, fantastically performances, is um that retro flavor which I didn't really mention, but thought one of you you beautifully did, and I one hundred percent agree. Like it feels, it fills, it has that authenticity to it.

Uh and if you you know, if you're a fan of the like plots involving um deviltry, yeah, I think it's it's not obviously like there's some minor quibbles and a lot of minor quibbles, but um, I do think it's absolutely worth the watch. And I think any any film I can give you this kind of food for thought is obviously like worth your time. I agree. I m I enjoyed my time with it. I think it's a fun movie.

I think ultimately it is a horror movie, but I think there's a lot more going on. I think the movie's interested in having different conversations, not necessarily just being a horror movie. And Robert de Niro as Louis Cipher is is a lot of fun. And Mickey Rourke is too good looking for words, and men say talented, and he carries a movie that I think with another actor would not have worked as well as this one does. Because ultimately Mickey Rourke's performance is the thing that grounds the movie, and Mickey Rourke's performance is the reason, other than de Niro's checking in, Mickey Rourke is the reason this movie works as well as it does.

So on that note, we'll take a break. It will play a preview for the Culture cast of Next Next the Next Culture Cast. This is a world where everybody's got to do something, They gotta be something. Sometimes I just get tired of thinking a lot of things that I don't want to do, all things that I don't want to be. Nobody sits next to her because she's crazy.

I think you're the damnedest barfly I've ever seen. Hobbies none, religion, none, education, none, dude, the word asks your sex. You've written none, well, hardly none. Your wife is just a point of kids. You can't work, you can't fight.

You could look at a woman's legs for ours. I got nothing but time now. Every time I get with a woman, something happens. You're Henry can ask you. I'm one of the main producers of the Contemporary Review of Art and Literature.

We've discovered here. I had an idea that I'd be discovered after my death. How does it feel to be on the other end? I smell it, perfume. Where's the better role?

Maybe look around. It's a it's a cage with golden bars. If you get out of here, I'm going to appeal away from you a perfume. We don't have to be bar Flies right down of the gray Mickey Rourke one day, I don't never want to fall in love. They done away.

Don't worry, Nobody's ever loved me. And Life on the Edge a scene by Charles Bukowski, directed by Barbey Schroeder. It's right on the next culture cast we're gonna be talking about a movie that Heather's already mentioned, Barfly, featuring Mickey Rourke. I love Mickey Rourke. He's so gross in this movie we're talking about.

He's so fucking disgusting and bar Really I thought he was. I thought that was actually the most attractive I've ever found it. I know, but you're unusual. Uh it's it's oh, listen. What I'm saying is he's he's the most disgusting you will see him on camera, and yet he's still alluring.

He's highly alluring. I can't wait to see him playing Charles Bukowski. I love Charles Bukowski, not ant, but I love Henry CHARDASKI, but I get played by Mickey Broke. He's, well, you're a rod to love Bukowski that way, but it's more than Bukowski loving you that way that becomes I think that's the you're allowed to like him. But the moment he started liking you was like, hey, I'm a chill well especially now because he's dead.

Well, yeah, carry were corps of Charles Bukowski dreams smells about the same. Frankly, oh that's not n joke. Joke. But I will be joined by Heather uh and Jess Buyer to the Scary Stories We Tell podcast. So until then, Father Malone, Where could people find you on the internet?

Father Malone dot com for my video stuff and Weirdingwaymedia dot com for all of my audio nonsense like Dark Destinations it's an audio drama or Midnight Viewing the Night Gallery Pine Cast, which I do with Chris and mister Mike White from the Projection Booth, or or Night Mister Walter is a taxi podcast I do with HB. You can find us there yet a lot too much, man, I'm tired. Tonight's tonight. I'm done no more. Podcasts.

I made up my mind to just get Heather. What about you? Where can people find you? Well? You can find me ever at my link tree.

I was inspired by you two cool cats and as well as the advice of my good friend Rachel McFadden. I am on link tree. I'm a Mondo Heather. There you will find my website Mondoheather dot Com, my Twitter, I'm not calling it x it's still Twitter, Instagram, my Patreon, as well as little various things. I did an article recently on Herschel green Louse's blood fees for Arrow Films website.

And of course I'm on a little podcast called Noise Junkies with the lovely and also patient Father Malone and the always vivacious HP and UH. And we're working on a new We're working on a new episode coming up for that, so keep your ears, your ears tuned, and your eyes peeled both at the same time. And as for me, Weirdingwaymedia dot Com is where you can go to find all the things I work on, which are things that well Father Malone mentioned, and then Bollywood Cinema Club is a show that I do. Heather's on there pretty frequently, so you know, all good things and eighties TV ladies, all kinds of stuff. So uh yeah, you can find all that at Weirdingwaymedia dot com and uh yeah, patreon dot com.

Slash culture cast is where you can go to support the show ten twenty and fifty or things that you could do but like rate and review to show wherever you get it that helps us find our audience. Father Malone, Heather, thank you both so much for joining me. This has been fun. It's been any since the three of us did a podcast together. It feels like homes done in a while.

So so on that note, Father Malone, what is the porn parody title for Angel Hart? You thought we were you, you thought we weren't gonna make it, but here we are. I turned over to you. That's gross Man the conquer ring Here anal Heart? Everybody, good night.

That's a good one. Heather, you got one better than anal heart. I do, well, here we go. I've been prepared. I actually was going to go with the anal Heart reference, but then a spark you obvious.

I'm the Lewis cipher of foreign parody names. You are the Lewis Cipher of our heart, and um no, because it's funny anal heart just saying it's hilarious, but I came up with something similar, but I am my opinion, I think even better anal lingus heart. Wow, it's the linguist. It's the it's that extra lingus really, you know, never like you know and make you rocas iris so a lank um you know. I God damn it.

Both of y'all took both of mine effectively, which is the problem. I was like, oh, there's anal, so you know you didn't come up with the back of you knew we were both going anal that's true. How about how about angel hard on? What about auto auto erotic self asphyxiation heart? All right, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

What about anal? No? No, not a sorry? Angel heart shaped ass sweet? Essentially she has an angel Is that Anvana song?

Yeah? My angel heart shaped bag. So we brought it back to Dame Girl for you, all the way back to Davanna and Dave Girl. We can can end. We can end this podcast on a have we tho folks,