Ernest Scared Stupid

Weird, so I find it funny. Last year, I wouldn't say you're better, but your other half one of the three dudes. Yes, that dude and I covered hocus Pocus two last year, and you and I are talking about this this year, and I think that this is like, yeah, this is like I think for me, this isn't that same conversation as like of hocus Pocus is like, this is not necessarily a quote good movie unquote because I'm not sure. I mean, I don't know how good of a movie hocus Pocus really is. If we're talking objectively, it's a good movie.

It's a fun movie. Subjectively, I enjoy it. Unironically, I'm not one of those dudes has been browbeaten into liking it by their significant other. I think it actually has some fun moments. It's that's key.

That is the cute. Yeah, it's fun. And Bett Midler, if you can get past kind of how annoying the role is very annoying, answered yeah, if you can get past that, I think it's a I think it's a fun movie that you can have some fun with. And I would say the exact same thing here. You and I like Ernest p.

Worrel quite a bit. I think if our pre podcast conversation is to be a referenced here now on the podcast. But I I would wager a guest that a lot of people probably find the now what a main vern Ernest p worrel character quite annoying, and I think they have just as much of an opinion and a right to feel that way as I do. Liking Ernest unironically, Yeah, oh no, I adore him once again. Childhood hero, that is my Jim Varney.

But you know what I mean, Like, this is not something that's like quote easy to like for everybody. It's not going to resonate with everybody because it's a certain kind of character for a certain group of people. I would say that this character is for children, which is weird. And we can talk about the optics of that an on this episode of the Culture Cast, we will. I am still your host, Chris Dashian, much to the chagrin of many, and I'm joined by my good friend all the way from I guess scary stories we tell.

Technically your voice can be heard in the ad for that show, and you and I do a fair more there than we have here. That's okay, We're on the Culture Cast right now, and I'm joined by my good friend Maggie. Yes, hello everybody, Modern Day Jim Varney, Maggie the odd Oh I wish I had seen something just wait it. Yeah, on this episode of the Culture Cast. This is a horror to Ober episode.

This is not a bonus episode. We are going to be talking about a film that. Yeah, again, you may have strong opinions about. You may not even like it. You may wonder why the fuck we're talking about.

Well so he as. We're two thirty somethings folks, and we're talking about a movie from the early nineties. We're talking about nineteen ninety one Ernest Scared Stupid from Touchtone Pictures. Stings or Stevens are on the loops, but Ernest is on their tray. Oh, he's doing whatever it takes, issues Untie to save the world from slot.

It's Scared Stupid rated PG. It starts Friday, October eleventh in a theater near you. From Touchtone Pictures, monstrous trolls have sprung to life. You hope you're from Gama And now Ernest P. Warrel let's spring again to act.

He'll try anything I know Tikey Gung Boojumman and everything your shoes untied to save the day. It's showtimey, It's Ernest p war in a brand new Scared Stupid amo a bummer Sandwich booger lips Ratiji starts Friday at a theater near you. Was directed, by, written by produced by John Cherry, who's part of Cherry and Cardon, which is a marketing company that helped create and market the Earnest character to over nine hundred commercials, which I'm sure that sucked, but not for the reason I mean sucked, but not I would think, And well, we'll have conversations about that. Given the first this is the first time we've talked about Ernest on the show, No, which is so weird. I know, it is kind of a weird being surprised that you didn't cover this because I would have been pissed if I missed an Ernest I flay, what's the crazy thing?

Is like? At one point I think we talked about doing it, or maybe we did, like maybe back in the culture Shocked days we did a written review. But I mean, Ernest is one of those things where, yeah, we never covered it on a singular episode of the show, which is surprising because for me and I think I've you kind of already alluded to it. This is a movie that I understand why people don't like it, but I like it. So I'll kick it to you, Maggie, because you picked this one.

Why are we talking about this movie? Are you like me and saw it as a nineties kid and that's why we're here? Is there some other ulterior motive that I don't know? I'm willing to hear the answer I have for my propaganda for Jim Jim Varney Resurrection. Agreed.

No, So every single Halloween, I have to watch this movie. So I grew up with it and to this day, including this coming Friday, I will be going to my parents house to watch it with Jess, which will be a hoot and holler. But it's one of those movies where if I don't watch it during Halloween, I feel like I am an empty husk of a human And I'll watch it in the middle of summer like twice Good Good. I grew up with Jim Varney movie is It's one of those was like my childhood entertainment bracket. It's just like Paul Ruben's with phebe Herman.

It's just those wacky goofball characters that have like changed my life for to whatever degree, because it's just fun having it rad in my brain. But I love Jim Varney. This is one of my favorite of his movies. And not to mention there is a weird tie into another movie that I absolutely adore, Killer Clowns. Right, that's right, Oh yeah, we yeah, that is a weird thing.

I love it. So the story is that what the creatures in this movie that show up at the end of the movie are the repainted clown faces, right, yeah, the trolls in the end of this A lot of them were repurposed as Killer Clowns when that movie came in because obviously it's very expensive to make these props. And to be fair lover hate this movie. The croll, this science are amazing. I will stand by that all of the weird transformation scene was very well done and a lot of these like masks of trolls really scared the hell out of me as a kid.

And so it's really cool to know that one of the horror movies that made me go out to a rental place and like pick up a bunch of horror movies and ingest it and love the big movie genre in general. Was connected to one of my childhood favorite movies. So I just like that fact. It's so fun. Yeah, I you know, I like yourself saw this as like a kid.

This is a movie that like, I don't, I don't didn't grow up. But Earnest is definitely a character that I have grown to love as an adult. And my wife has been a fan of Earnest since she was a kid, and she watched the Earnestments, so she has that experience that you but I saw. I probably saw this in high schooler college maybe and again probably in college. I don't remember the first time I saw it, but it is You mentioned Paul Rubens, and I think Paul Rubins is a comparison.

I think people would wristle at that comparison because the perceived quality of Earnest went downhill. But I think the quality of Ernest went downhill after this movie. And this is one of four Disney movies that are released by Disney Ernest in them, which does add to the quality. Say which you will about the House of the Mouse, but they had a track record in the late eighties and early nineties for some pretty good movies and some pretty good live actions, and this is one of them. And yes, this is not the best movie ever made, but you know what, it doesn't have to be.

It just has to be a memorable Halloween movie. Because here's the thing. I'm going to go out and say this. Also, it is going to be controversial, especially on this in October. I'm not really interested in watching horror movies as much as I am watching Halloween movies.

Second, what horror movies at any point of the year, And there are horror movies that are set at Halloween. There is one called Hollow in fact where when this happen many times over the last forty years. Unfortunately as opposed to just once Ethan on that it's not one of my favorite directors that was right. But that's the thing. It's like, there aren't, in my opinion, enough Halloween movies, not necessarily horror movies set it Halloween, just Halloween movies.

And this is a Halloween This is in the conversation for one of the better Halloween movies, just like hocus Pocus is, because again, it's scary enough without being outright horror. And I think again, like you mentioned with the effects, the effects are done well enough that any adult watching this would probably be able to enjoy it just for the quality of the movie. I mean, look, here's here's a problem. Okay, let's just get out in front of it before we don't acknowledge it at all. Ernest p.

Worrel is a man who spends plenty of his time with children. There's way around it. He is meant to simple ten character like I can I never figured that out. Like the villagitiat, he's a villaginia, but he's secretly a genius, right right, Like that's the thing, like the village idiot, but the one who's like secretly a genius and averting gold. So he'll stick his neck out for anybody that's been nice to him and even sometimes in cases the bad guys too, right, And that's the thing about the Ernest character is like I understand and appreciate and you know, am able to watch now on YouTube all of these ads for everything, because Ernest was selling everything in the late eighties early nineties, like he did see like nine hundred commercials as this character, and look that must have sucked.

But also imagine the amount of money you're making as just this like kind of lark of a character that becomes this thing that people really resonate with, to the point where there are movies like tell Me Another movie with a ad icon, like a advertising icon who was in nine hundred advertisements. They have never made an Eminem's movie like this. They've never made you know, the Where's the Beef move? But yet we have Earnest, a character that started as an advertising campig on public access most cad of like super the underground stuff, really small local TVs thoughts. It's just really cool.

Yeah, I love it. It's but the thing is, I can completely understand why someone would be aghast at this character because he is in a for a certain group of people, and if you're not into it, he is beyond obnoxious. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.

It goes for a lot of those standby I think characters in Earnest movies where it's just big personalities and you just kind of have to be along with that type of energy. And it is also kind of a vehicle for one liners. So I understand why the flow of the movie might be one of those points that people kind of switch their brains off to because it's you're being assaulted by jokes and one liners and it's stupid humor. But I think that's part of the charm because it is approachable from age ranges, because yeah, these movies were geared toward kNs, but just the weird references and sentences, like my family and I quote it all year round just because it's so preposterous. I think it's part of the fun.

But well, and you mentioned this at the top, like the idea of like this being like fun movies can replace bad, like how bad a movie is if you can have fun. And I think that I have a fair amount of fun with this movie because yeah, look it starts and stops with Jim Varney, and that's the thing, like if you if you don't like his character, you can't get down with how good it is. But if you can get around how kind of bizarre an idea, and can see a simple man who has simple tastes and his name is Ernest and he lives in this town of Briarville, Missouri, and everybody knows him, and everybody thinks that this guy's a dang dog and he's never proven himself any to be anything else other than the fact that he's like invented shit and he keeps saving people and he saves the town.

But likes again, like you know, I get the character not resonating, but for me, like Jim Varney is having the time of his life. Is this character and he is having the same time of his life in this movie, like it fits him so well. He knows how to plan and it's incredible that like you also have his dog, grim Shot. It's all this stuff that in a lot of children's movies before don't necessarily rest as well, because like the whole guy dog combo, it can be super stilted. But this it seems really organic.

And Jim Varney is really good about either playing up to a crowd or by himself running through a scene. It's cool seeing both sides well. And I mean Jim Varney, for those that do not know, was a very close friend of Robin Williams, another well known improvidentizational actor and prather than the Median and like Jim Varney has like if I were to pin anything on Jim Varney, it's this weird, crazy energy, like like unthridled energy, like there's nothing anyone seemingly can do to slow down this character and how wild he is, and he's just constantly turned up to eleven. And that's like, that's the thing I think of with Ernest is like he's just a love But that comes from Jim Varney's characterization of him, and it's the smart way to play it because yep, again like by just being way too much, you are forcing the audience to focus on you and not how kind of mediocre the movies plot.

And I mean again like most of the movie, like the kid actors, like the plot of the movie more or less like similar to hocus Pocus and other like children's Halloween horror movies. But because Ernest and Jim Varney are so compelling, I would watch anything in between his performances in this movie just to get to those moments where we see him doing his thing exactly, and I think it wins. It was good payoff. And honestly with this movie, what I will say is if Jim Varney is in your cup of tea. There is also a wonderful performance by the Earth the Kid, Yeah, which is just a treat to see her in this role of oh of this crazy old lady that has a tie on to the lore of the actual story of the movie.

Oh I love it old lyad. Yeah, I feel is nursed well. And that's the thing, so we we kind of haven't mentioned what the plot was. But again, similarly to hocus Pocus, an ancient evil in the form of a troll in this movie is imprisoned underneath a tree by Ernest's great great great great grandfather videos p Woro and I can't fucking earn, Like if you if you can't see how good of an actor Jim Varney is just getting of this movie, like completely disappears into that like weirdo colonial character with that fucking facial hair that makes him look so baz Cops pretty days. And also, like you tend to forget how big of a dude Jim Varney is when he's playing Ernest.

But he's like a huge guy, Like he's tall and lame. Yeah, uh so trantor the troll gets trapped under the tree. Alliteration aside. Essentially similar to hocus Pocus, with ancient evil is brought back in this movie, Ernest's great grand great great great grandfather imprisons him and part of the prophecy is Ernest's you know your bloodline will set me free one day. So okay, there you go.

Ernest is going to do something stupid by accident, and he does. He meets some kids, they hang out, they're being bullied. He builds them a treehouse, where in the tree that Trantor is under. Trantor is freed. I call unto tran talk what are the chances of that happening?

Right? Right? And that's like, well, kid gets that joke right, Like it's not like there's so much of this, Like I don't know why adults didn't find this funnier because there's not a lot for kids here. I love it. Yeah.

So so Trantor has to kidnap four children or is it four or five? I believe we got five. Okay, So he has to get up five kids to bring him, him and his troll brethren back to life. And so that's the intense. That's the entire story is Ernest has to stop Trantor the troll from kidnapping the children of Briarville, Missouri.

So it's it's, like I said, similar to hocus Pocus, like the the the reasons for the villain doing what they're doing is to try and get as much power as they can, and it involves children. In Hope, I mean yeah, and hocus Pocus is We're gonna eat all the kids, and in this it's I guess we're gonna eat all the kids too. We're gonna turn them into wooden dolls. I want the Props Department once again. I cannot exonerate you enough.

They did a bang up between the troll outfits, the Brussels sprouts that grow out of the fucking tree that are like so gross and wizzy, and then the little carbons of the kids. Some of them are very stilted for the transformation, but hey, I'm willing to forgive that due to creativity points. It's not just a standard Curuise or zombies or Save the Town. It's kind of all of them, but with a different light to it. Not many people touch on trolls for Halloween.

I think they're just as terrifying. I'm glad that they went that rout. Yeah I was. I was thinking about that, you know, like, trolls are not a like we don't have I mean, we have a troll movie. I think it's the most famous one of the most famous bad horror movies troll too.

They're eating they're goblins, though I know, I know, I know that's a crazy thing because like because obviously the name of the town in the movie is Nilbog, which is goblin backward. I know, I mean, it's it's it's a movie called trolls with no trolls goblins. I get it. And like, the only other troll thing I can think of is I guess that Swedish film troll Hunter. Yeahs like a found footage troll movie.

But yet trolls are not. They're not like witches, they're not like zombies, they're not like vampires. Like they're a less and I understand why they're a uphill battle for making a costume because that, I mean, you said it pretty well already. Like the effects in this movie are nothing to sneeze at. Frankly, the effects in this movie are better than most actual horror movie.

Like the creature design is really gross and really well done, and like I wouldn't have praise for some movies from the mid nineties that are actual horror movies for their creature design the way I'm praising this movie's creature, especially for a movie gearedord kid, it's like they went far. I love a good creature feature and the fact that this woman holds up in fact, I think it's actually really cool that the wonderful intro that they do to this movie that is nothing but a montage of creature features from the black and white era of film, is kind of phyping you up for that kind of mentality to accept, like this double nosed troll or this giant troll that's coughing up bullets. It's kind of a good free throll.

And I like that they kind of foreshadow that when the treehouse is under attack from the bullies doesn't mean ultimately. What it boils down to is one of the things that gets rid of the trolls is authentic hungarian miac. And I get you just mentioned that, like, yeah, you know, authentic hungarian miac. Oh my gosh, milk. So it's a battle where the weapon is milk, and you're thinking, well, okay, that doesn't sound terribly exciting, and yet you also have a tree house full of all of these like flying machines, these launchers, and it's just kind of a good free throll.

Not only do you get the creature feature, but you get like fun weaponry in the form of milk, so it's not even like HIPing up guns or whatever, which a lot of you know, kid movies try to equate, whether it's like nerf guns, where we do this, it's actually kind of guns, and I hope Marie, yeah, they do it on square guns. But man, all of the weirdo ones like the mailbox that just robs milk or the powdered milk and the fan, it's very creative. And that's that's where I give the most points to you in this movie, aside for Jim Vardy's performance as being Jim Vardy is just the sheerk cnativity in every aspect of it, between the backstory between how the kids are turned to the grand finale when the parents don't know what to do and the kids get to step in.

It's great. I love it. Yeah, it's again like it's a movie that when I when I went and read the reviews at the time, like I feel like they didn't watch the movie. They just passed it off immediately because it's an earnest movie. And again I get that if you cannot if you can't get your head around this performance that he's doing, which again I understand not liking it.

It's not something that's easy to like. In a way, it's just like I don't know how kids today would feel about a character like Ernest, Like there's nothing and there's nothing right now that is even comparable to that, like as a part of the zeitgeist, the way Ernest was like, if you're being hired to go around the country to do ads, you must have really made an impression, and like that's the thing. Like again, like Jim Varney is not given the credit that he deserves for being this kind of like again actor who was given kind of a thankless role and did more with it than most people would have. Like again you're I don't know, I don't know again because they talk about it and stuff that I've read, Like, you know, he passed away in two thousand at the age of fifty, which like what would he be doing now, Like would he be doing more dramatic roles?

That's what he was talking about, and that's what they were alluding to, and that's what he wanted to do, was be taken more seriously and walk away from and distance himself from the Earnest character because again, if you played his character, then also people are gonna assume you have no acting ability whatsoever. This is just like a fucking joke, which is not the case. Again, ern you know Jim Varney is a classically trained actor. Oh my gosh. Yeah, and the clips of him, like reading Shakespeare is actually it takes you back because it's like, uh, I didn't realize this was the same guy.

I actually found it. Yeah he has, I mean and again, like some people might even forget that he was the voice of Slinky Dog in the first two Toy stories. Yes, I mean, yeah he has. He has a weird amount of range for someone who again wasn't given a lot of range to play with. Like again, this I'm not saying the Ernest character is one note, but he kind of is one note, like he is one note, but in that one note can be played at so many different like it's a little louder, it's a little quieter, like you can play that note a bunch of different ways, thankfully, And the way he interacts with the people of the movie, it's more about how big their personality is and how big his personality is.

In the back and forth, especially with earth A Kit, which I think all the interactions between the two of them are fucking like a dream, Like it's insane, Like here's Jim Varney and Eartha Kid, what the fuck? Like it's so strange, but it works. Please, I know. I always think of the scene where she's using a big can opener to get him out of a barrel, and I don't know why. It is just so well played because he's reading through the Book of Lord and try and figure out how to defeated, and of course she's already figured out the puzzle and is playing a completely different side of the story where she already knows the answer and he's trying to figure it out and thinks he knows it, but it's all surrounded by this ghoulsy prethusterus thing.

And yeah, she absolutely brought like one hundred percent to the performance as well, which is wonderful to see. It just is honestly the thing that surprises me the most about this movie. And maybe again this is just like a symptom of it being an earnest movie. I don't recognize essentially anyone else in this movie. I know, it seems like just kind of people who were around for the roles and that's about it.

Either they went on to do small roles in other like just kind of like background character type of situations. But all of them were bad. Some of them were, but not all of them were bad. They smell were good. But yeah, I don't necessarily think anybody went to do like big big bigs.

So yeah, and you know in Earnest Goes to Camp, I mean, John Vernon is in that movie. Who's I mean, he's a pretty pretty big actor right now. It's just it's kind of strange, like it's I always feel like this was like a weird like level of actor that was just being trotted out to be in these kinds of movies, which is like these these actors are just working in like other small budget things because that's the thing again, like this kind of movie, it is kind of an advertisement, but for what, I'm not sure, just the Earnest character, like just Earnest. Honestly, I think it's one of those where these movies tend to fall in the cracks where it's like they were assuming that they were just making a holiday film.

It's just like, you know, we're in a Saves Christmas or a Scared Stupid we're not a lot of the budget is going toward bringing in big names because they're assuming it's just going to be a quick and easy cash grab and then it'll just kind of move on and that's it. But this one was actually played up really well, so I think it was kind of an underestimation between the script and how it played out. Everybody brought their all in this one, so it feels like a really well done holiday movie, but it still falls in that bracket. I wonder if that is the reason why there aren't bigger people in it. But and still I'm astounded that they got earth a Kid And Okay, cool, I'm happy, right, Like that's the weirdest thing is like Jim Varney is one thing, but earth a Kid being in this movie and committing to it so like hardcore.

Like again, like it's just that that decision. I mean again that I applaud the decision because I think the movie is better for it. And again I don't so that I don't think Ernest couldn't carry the movie on his own, but it just makes it a lot more than pololished against. It makes me less well, like that's the thing, Like I don't remember any of the other Earnests other than the Ernest Goes to Camp Like I know that at some point the Earnest movies are not good, and I think it's after this one. I have not seen Ernest Goes to Africa.

It is nowhere near the top of my Yes. Yeah, you know, we imagine, do not. No. Ernest goes to Jail is the other one that I'll stand by wholeheartedly. Ernest Goes to Christmas.

I watched during the Christmas time. It's not my favorite Christmas movie, but it's still one that I like to watch. There are a lot more Christmas movies than there are Halloween movies, so I know it's such a shame. And then Ernest goes to Camp. I remember my parents won't let me live it down that I was crying because Ernest got bullied.

They always pointed out the exact scene. Oh, Maggie, you crying. I can't think. I can't believe you haven't mentioned that you've done it. So I can't believe you've never dressed up as Earnest for Halloween.

I know I do need to. I think it's one of those where I'll get like, way too perfectionist. If you search Ernest p World costume on Amazon, which I did, you all I gotta do. There's like a vest. It's like twenty bucks and a hat for like shit, I knew and there you're done.

Like sure donim vest? Yeah he had like there you go? What a like? And that's it. Like the character of Ernest, I guess is meant to be like a like a redneck as well, right, Yeah, that that was like I never I never pegged him as a redneck though, like this movie says like he's the great Redneck Hope or whatever, but like I don't.

I never pegged him as like a red neck, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean it's one of those where like in the nineties that was just kind of like another bracket of calling somebody dumb. Is it's a stupid red neck? Okay fair? Yeah, So that's where I think it's stemming from, because otherwise he's just a dingus.

That's yeah, the whole character. And what's funny is like you know, people talk about Jim Carrey in the nineties and being this like rubber faced man, Like I would put Jim Varney up against Jim Carrey, Like Jim Varney does some shit with his faces that are like that, Like he's so like I wish I was as expressive with my face as Jim Barney can be. Like his control over his emotion and his face is and you mentioned it, like there are some scenes in this movie where he's acting as other characters and he'll just like it's like this dude just transforms. Yeah, he's amazing. I don't know what to tell you.

Well, that's and that's the thing about I think this movie is again like when you make a holiday movie, regardless of the holiday, you kind of enter yourself into the pantheon of can this be a movie that is memorable enough to be rewatched year after year after year because those are holiday movies. I mean you have tradition with your family of watching this movie. I have traditions with my family watching certain Christmas movies, you know, not Halloween movies per se, but like again, like and that comes from these movies coming out and trying to throw their hat into the ring of like a memorable holiday movie, right, And I think this one is because it does check some boxes of like, uh, you know, a creature that's interesting, some interesting choices that are made in terms of again, like the design and the I don't think that the plot is as generic as maybe it seems.

But I do think again, like the movie takes some interesting steps with like certain things that kids being turned into wooden dolls I think is interesting. Again, the usage of trolls is interesting. Yeah, it's I feel like in this day and age, like the classics are are not from I don't know, the classics aren't from the nineties. I guess, like I don't know though, like the classic Halloween movies, there doesn't seem to be like a time and a place where they were all coming out. They seem to just be something that comes out from time to time, you know, Which makes I mean because in the nineties it was a lot more I think there was a lot more access to horror as like a pre teen or a kid between goose Bumps as well as Are You Afraid of the Dark on TV?

I think that the people who had access to cable were kind of more exposed to that. That and the earnest movies. It's either you know them or you don't know them. Not a lot of people have gotten like, uh, that type of exposure to those movies and It's not like they played it on TV for like Halloween, like hocus Pocus got a lot of air time on TV as well as the like what was it Halloween Town and shit like that. I love Halloween Down.

I love Halloween down, and I complained it on that one. Hey man, I accept it for what it is and it's a Halloween movie. It strikes those box does they think A big one for me, especially in the nineties bracket eighties and nineties on through for Halloween movies specifically, is it's also kind of a stale, ultra rush. There's a lot it just kind of has that feel to it. There's a lot of looks there that's very nineties.

There's a lot of references there that is very nineties. And I don't know whether or not it'll necessarily hold up to like a kid crowd of this generation, but I think people kind of growing up and being exposed to other facets of this movie, like people who were checking out at the kid's history or people who wanted to check out like horrifying moments in childhood that people will have nightmares about. I'm sure there are kids out there that were absolutely terrified by the troll children, because a few of them, like I would not want to go toe to toe with. I always pick out like a couple of them where it's like, yeah, no, I would shit myself at cry and just die. I would be bludgeoned to death bay this troll right that is easily outrun and maneuvered by the village idiot, but I will be in a ball cry.

I do like how you have to reinforce, like these trolls are being clowned on by this ding dong of a human being. So many like just straight up three stooges ask chase scenes and shit like that where it's like get up, they are idiots like eh. And yet as a kid, the ones, the one with the black hair and the really beaty eyes that was dark, I think he got refurbished to be my favorite killer clown Spiky, which would also terrify me and I would crump onto a ball. But it's just it's a creepy design. I would hate it if that thing was running at me.

Of course, this is coming from the person that doesn't actively does not go to haunted houses because I don't like the fact that I have to use my legs while pink phrase it's fair. That's fair. No, I actually I think it's funny you mentioned that. Like I was when I was doing the research, I saw like some articles about like this movie having had some moments that we're similar to other things that are like the kids that saw this for like holy shit, like this is this is and Trantor the troll is is on that list, like the troll and everything that Trantor does is part of that, because Trantor is a very well designed scary monster for kids. Maybe not so much for adults, but definitely for kids.

Oh yeah, and if nothing else, I think the the transformation scene was extra gnarly. Like I still think about how they did the wonderful effect with the glove with the nails growing through and you see like the skin kind of scoot down. It's really it's it's gross. It's very visceral, and we're not afraid to use slime to make it extra growth. Yeah, lots of slime, and that's a snot in this movie, like a lot like and yeah, Trantor is a snotty troll and it's growth.

Yeah, his transformation, he gets double noses, which is like my favorite feature. I love that it's a heinous but I love it so much. Yeah, he's he's really gross to look at as a character. Like they did a very good job in making something that like I haven't seen in anything else. It's kind of its own thing and lips.

Yeah, Jim Varney, like he must have been a hoot in real life, Like he really must have been like just the kindest person, you got it right, Like he seems like he was probably like a nice guy in real life. I mean he refused to smoke around kids because he knew that they would know him from earnest, so he just waited until he was in private to smoke a cigarette. Like, and that guy was a lifelong smoker too. Oh yeah yeah, I mean fifty yeah right yeah yeah yeah what a what a what a long life dude? Like, yeah, that's that really sucks, Like it sucks because I mean really that is kind of the thing that I walked away from this movie feeling.

And I felt like I felt this the last time I watched It's like Jim Varney was such a good actor. He was kind of wasted on this, wasn't he Like Yeah, and he was just been goal actor too. Yeah, Like as much as I like this, this movie as much as I think we both like this movie and so many other people our age like this movie. Like fucking Jim Varney was really way better than any of this stuff they ever. It's brilliant.

Yeah, but once again you get typecast as a character and that's it. It's kind of the Elvis effect. But he actually had talent, so right, yeah, well that's and that's the other thing about someone like Jim Varney. It's like the guy was clearly a very good sport about it too, because like you said, I mean the whole the smoking thing, which I had heard before. And then again, like you can tell what an actor genuinely doesn't like being around kids, and this guy had to be around kids his entire career.

Most of his movies he was opposite a child actor. And that's the comedy that was kind of gearing toward, which thinks because it was so much more than that. Yeah, and it could have been, and if it were made now, it would have been. Because again I mean this that is the thing, like some of the comedy in this movie feels very dated. Like there's some stuff.

I would say a lot of the stuff doesn't feel dated, but there are certain things that definitely feel dated that are like, well, they would they wouldn't do this in the movie anymore, not because it's offensive or anything, but like, we just don't do these kinds of storytelling techniques anymore because we sticks, yeah, and nobody is making these kinds of movies anymore, like these like weird advertising campaign character and I don't know if it ever did it software yeah, very self aware because then you get Jim and Bobby as the comedy team that they are doing their shtick and that is definitely not something that like kids would relate to. But it's just that kind of weird, fast humor, back to back type of things where it's like it's really weird.

It's effective, but it's mostly to play out the character characters and kind of reaffirm that they are just the salesmen that they are. They're after money only, and that was it. It's because they're reoccurring characters throughout these movies that they're here doing this. But I love it. And that's weird too because I remember that that like there's like an earnest universe in all of this, like the people shit, yeah, yeah, those guys show up multiple times and like almost all of them because in Ernest Goes to Camp, aren't those two guys like the cooks in the kitchen?

Right? You don't get Bobby, but you get Jim. Bobby was in Ghost to Jail, but no, he was still in there for the eggs. Erroneous. Yeah, a great line, that's a great scene.

And he's ninety one years old. Shit, the actor plays Bobby is ninety one years old. It's wild crazy. Well, it just again reinforces how unfortunate it is that Jim Varney is no longer here because I genuinely think, like in the two thousands, once these kinds of things, like because at some point in the early two thousands, everybody kind of agreed like kids entertainment needs to be better than this. I think it was probably Shrek that really helped like push the I mean it pushed the envelope for comedy in terms of like what kids could watch with adults in the same room, and the adults are also focusing on it.

That's the thing. Like a lot of adults probably like noped out of this moment one when they saw Ernest going which again like doesn't bother me that he was doing it but I could see an adult totally like fucking rolling their eyes at it in the nineties when this movie came out. But my point being, like, again, the idea here is that mid two thousands, early two thousands, this would have stopped and Jim Barney would have gone on to something else, like would have gone on. Yeah, I mean, he's great in The Beverly Hillbillies, and I actually don't dislike that movie. He's great in that movie.

He is good, I agree, But yeah, it's just it it's unfortunate because he really died right before he was going to do something else. That's what it feels like. Yeah, agreed. And it also stinks just because I mean, I'm sure even at the time of release, the way that all of all of the ernest movies are, it's not it's not really aware of what its audience is, which is why there's like that kind of weird ambiguity of why it's not necessarily like a Kains movie or why it's not necessarily an adults movie. It lies in a weird in between state where it's just the comedy that you will get from an earnest film, and that's kind of the time capsule that it is.

It would have been interesting to see him expand his kind of repertoire because he was stuck in a weird limbo where by the time like the train started rolling, where you get sem dunk Ernest and shit like that. It's past its prime and it doesn't necessarily have an aid bracket that's appropriate for it. It's just kind of like a filler movie, which sucks because he still gives it as all. It's just it just goes out into the ether and that's it. Well, I mean again, Ernest goes to Afro.

It does not sound like just like, who the fuck thought that was a guy? I haven't even seen it, but just the title alone, this I feel like, I think the best I can tell this is like the last quality Earnest movie. Yeah. Yeah, there's only the four titles that I really really really stand by, and I will say honorary Ernest rides again. Terrible movie, but the intro theme song is absolutely stunning.

It's a theme about Ernest p World Chris. You'll have to listen to it. It is Catchy's sin. It's amazing. But that's the only good part about that movie period.

It's Ernest good Stupid, Goes to Jail, Goes to Camp, and Saves Christmas if you feel very seasonal. But those are the four that I will rewatch to this day. Everything else is kind of hard to watch well. And those are the four that were released by Disney. Oh, and Goes to School was okay, very dumb, very very very very dumb.

But I think that's more of a nostalgia graph for me. But that's fair. If Disney had a hand in it, then that makes sense why they kind of pulled the reins in and somewhat good movies again, like even for as uneven as this movie is, and how yeah it is, Like that is the thing that is strange. It's totally bizarre, Like it has no idea what tone it wants to be because yeah, is the earnest character for kids. Wouldn't kids at some point have like aged up with the earnest character, Like that's the question that I have.

It's like, what would Ernest have looked like if he had come back in the mid two thousands or tens, Like would that have been Like would we have gotten an Earnest movie where it's like Ernest back at it or Earnest you know, back from the dead or something, you know, that's what it would be. The movie would be everybody thinks that Ernest is dead and he's like, I'm not dead. I just you know, I don't know, I fucked off to the middle of nowhere and Earnest back from the dead thing to do. Yeah, just something like you know, and then and then you know, Ernest back from the dead. Yeah, who knows, But like that just something I could have imagined Jim Barney doing it.

Yeah, the title love is pretty great. But like Ernest would have come back if Jim Barney had been alive, like if Jim Barney had been alive in the two thousands of the twenty tens or even now, because like he would have been his eighty right now almost, I mean seventy seventy two seventy three, so I mean, you know what, he seemed like he would have been game, probably to do Ernest once or twice again before he called it quits, and again if people were begging for him to do it, and Flicks did it or something, because again Netflix did it for kaywe fucking Herman. Like, I think Ernest is just as important a character in terms of lasting cultural importance because it's just a weird thing that took hold that hasn't really happened, since there's only one Ernest, Like, there are plenty of animated cartoon character icons that are the Peanut Nims, Tony the Tiger, like they've gotten and you know why because they're not really characters.

They're just vehicles to sell things like Ernest. I think, I mean, you know you and I watched a couple ads before we started, and like, that was funny. That was actually a funny, Like it was funny on its own, which means that, yes, there may have been a product, but if I can engage with you, not the future, right, if I can engage with you, like the product is fucking secondary. Are you here? And it's very obvious, like I don't even know what they were advertising in that ad, Like what were they selling in that fucking ad?

Like chocolate bunnies? I have no idea, But that's an Earnest ad for something like And that's what's fucking insane is it almost feels like the Earnest movies are just the earnest commercials. Like the real quality stuff is just go watch all the acts. Yeah, and I love that they incorporate all the other characters that he was during these Some of them were like Saturday Morning bumpers before like cartoons or whatever, if I'm remembering correctly, were like before theaters, like the Your World as I know it. It's just goofy shit like that.

But I'm glad that in all of his movies there is that kind of reflection of it where he is either playing back to back to back different characters just to have fun with this range. But those were all the characters that he would reprise in the commercials. It was fantastic to have that kind of nod. It's an interesting algamation for a character because yeah, you end up getting Ernest as the core, but then you have like the old lady, you have the pilot Ernest as a member of the Ottoman Empire, he looks more like Genghis Khan though, like I don't somehow like somehow it's like not offensive because it's the wrong thing, but it's somewhat offensive because it is kind of offensive to what it is, Like what's one in lumber yet not well, yeah, it's there is something about Ernest that just like again, like I mentioned, the Robin Williams connection, Like he really does have that like frenetic energy when he's doing those things that make me think of like the best of and again people, some people didn't like that Robin Williams shtick either.

Some people were probably turned off by the rapid fire. But like Ernest, that character doing those things feels very similar to like Win Jim or not Jim Carrey Win. Robin william was doing his similar thing of like just going through the rolodex of everything that he could throw at the wall, a stream of consciousness like and and Honestly, again, like if Jim Varney had been able to exit trajectory the Earnest character, who knows what would have come of it. But again, like the Earnest character, I think is a compelling character. And what's weird is do if you were to ask someone about Ernest, what would they say, Oh, that's shit or like I've never heard of this?

Like is Ernest a widely reviled character or just the movies like certain movies reviled? Is that what it is? It's interesting because the people that I have had conversations about Jim Varney and the Earnest series, they either A do not know who that is period, which I would believe one hundred percent depending on the person exactly. It's kind of a weird, like almost locational exposure. It's like Galardi.

Some people know him. Some people it's if you grew up in an area where that's like you're I'm sure, there you go. But I either have people who don't know him, or I get into an argument about how I want a tattoo of Earnest before my friend gets a tattoo of it. But I haven't heard anybody like absolutely hate the guy. It's more of just an unknowing.

Well and again, like I said, I mean, if you read some of the reviews at the time, like oh yeah, like that again, it seems like the people at the time had probably gotten sick of the joke, which I can also understand oversaturation, especially if it's like a nationwide campaign of ads like that means people were seeing this guy all the time, which means there were probably people that were like, I'm sick and fucking tired of this fucking Earnest character in his friend hearn that we never see, which, you know what, I would totally one hundred percent understand if that's where you're coming from. With Ernest because of the because of the oversaturation of the character, Yeah, I would believe that one.

However, that being said, I think the character of Ernest is a lot more of an interesting character than one might be led to believe by just looking at Jim Varney dressed up the character and say like, tell me about this character and what he does. I think people be like, oh, he kind of looks like a ding dog. Maybe he's funny because he's making funny faces, but I don't think it would be readily apparent what the character is doing. But given that he is a literal corporate shill, but made more of it than most people would have. Like, I think that's where you have to give Jim Varney all the credit.

Is it wasn't just this soulless fucking thing that most other people would have treated completely soulless too. Yeah, he took kind of an absurdist humor angle that honestly is very apparent in comedy now, where it's these absurd scenarios or these bizarre characters and just like a barrage of one liners that are almost niche references. Yeah, it's it's weird. Ernest is just this like weird thing that when I think about it, I go, I wonder, I wonder what it would have been like in in a day an age where this was something you were seeing all the time, like if people were very sick and fucking tired of it. But hey, I have an Ernest p World talking doll that sits up on my shelf up there, and I look at it from time to time like it's it's he was such a thing that they made a toy out of.

He was such a thing that they made a bunch of movies. And you know, again like contemporary comparisons, there are some like I guess angry Cat or grumpy Cat, but grumpy Cat wasn't selling any Like what was grumpy Cat selling other than be cat merchandise. Ernest ended up having merchandise. But Ernest was the one selling coat and checks and too John's and he was doing all this stuff. You're random stops like a huge wide range of just items.

Yeah, like it was never just one thing. And again when you do like over nine hundred ads, like yeah, you're you're really not the guy who I think people are expecting to have a fun character behind it. But yet again that's what Jim Varney brings to it, and that's what this movie excels at. Because I think, again, if this had just been I don't know, like I was gonna ask you, like in terms of Halloween movies, this is clearly an answer that you would give if someone asked you, what's a good Halloween movie? I should check out?

But what makes a good Halloween movie? And is there another movie that you watched that you could use as an example to define it? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah. Like honestly, my parents have like a secured list of we watched these movies during Halloween.

But I think another good answer, and it's probably to say the better of the two, because this is one that I refuse to not watch. But the Adams Family is another biggie for watching around Halloween. I love that we didn't own hocus Pocas, otherwise I would understand why that is like people's go to, But like Sleepy Hollow, like the Good One, Help Me, stuff like that, it just kind of has the vibe or it's one of those where it could just be ingrained in my head because it was released around Halloween to watch it around Halloween. But Adam's Family is definitely up there obviously. John Carpenter's Halloween I love.

I never mind watch it close to Halloween. I watch it on I watch that on Halloween once a year. That's the time of year that I give to that movie. And that's it. I like it, but yeah, you know what I mean, Like, I've seen it a million fucking times, like and it it's a good movie, but it has lost a lot of the luster because it's just like it's just a good movie at this point.

It doesn't have that same feeling the first or second or third time I saw it RCTs. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I am a fan of Halloween movies. I am again a fan of movies that are set at Halloween that aren't necessarily doing the horror thing as well. Yeah, but I mean, hey, it kind of lends itself directly to it, given that it's the booky season.

Well then what's your go to, Chris? I think? I mean again, nobody has asked me yet, so I haven't been able to give an answer, But I mean we talked about it. I think Halloween Town is my I watched that so many tough kids. I feel, I don't know, like that's one of those movies where like I saw it a bunch of a kid.

I didn't watch it for a very long time, and then in the last four or five years, I've watched it a lot, mainly when I was high. Jess and I did an episode on Lee. It was a scary No, I think it was this. I think it was culture cast and I did an interview with Kimberly J. Brown like three years ago.

I've never read, I've never run it, Like, I don't know why. I think I just I did it for another movie, not Halloween Town. And then I was like, what didn't I just do it for fucking Halloween Town, Like that that's the movie, Like that's the Kimberly J. Brown movie. Obvious answer, right, But Halloween Town for me, I think, is it Like is it a good movie?

Again? Like it's a kid's movie. I guess better answer would be WNUF Halloween Special, which is not a kid movie, but it is set at Halloween time and it is a more of a vibe movie. And I've sent a couple of people towards the movie, and I have heard them had less than positive things to say about it, because because it sets a move and a vibe and like, it takes a while to get where it's going, and I'm not sure that if you're not on board with it, you're going to be willing to take the journey all the way to the end. Because I'm not saying I'm not satisfied by the ending of WNUF, but I could see other people not being satisfied by the end.

But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm a bad person to ask, because again, like yourself, I watch horror movies throughout the year, so yeah, I just want to watch Halloween movies at Halloween times, So I don't necessarily want to just watch horror movies. I mean, this is the time of the year for horror movies and blah blah blah blah. But if you watch horror movies all year round, you can make it spooky season any day of the week if you just throw on a horror movie and turn off the white right. But Halloween has a specific feeling, you know, Yeah it does, And I think that's why it's pretty big to kind of lean into the nostalgia factor, Like what was great about growing up with Halloween?

And wait, I felt like roaming the streets with your freaking pillow sack full of candy. It's just kind of fun, and I think that's when it needs to be played up. And you could make the case that a movie like ET is a Halloween movie because part of it takes place at Halloween, and like you think about the Halloween scenes in that movie and kind of it taking that distilled idea of Halloween, of like the the ideal Halloween of walking around and going to houses, which I is not even a thing now best I can tell, like, which is of shame. But I also completely understand. And I don't have kids, and if I did, I probably wouldn't let them go out by themselves because you know, again, like it's it probably sounds more dangerous than it is.

We all did it. We're fine, at least the ones of us that aren't fine, so which is most of us. So that's the thing, Like I don't know, Like I'm with you, Like I think a lot of any of like holiday movie remembrances are driven by nostalgia and the quality the movie is almost unimportant, but it has to be good enough to get its foot into the door. Like oh yeah, I love Jingle all the way. I know it's not a good movie, but I find it to be an endearing movie.

And look, it's a weird ass movie with Schwarzenegger and a Christmas movie, Like we have that forever in this universe. We have a Schwarzenegger Christmas movie, and that is something bold one can take away from us, right, And like, it's crazy because he would never do that now and no one would even offer him that now. But there was a time and a place in cinema where people were like a movie with Schwarzenegger at Christmas time, Yes, this is a good idea and it just worked out. Yeah, And that's I feel the same way about that movie that I do about Earnest Scared Stupid, which is there was a time and place in this country, in our pop culture kind of shared tapestry where people are like, I'm gonna watch a movie with this ad icon fighting a troll, and yeah, it is way better than it has any right to be.

Again, frankly, like I think would both agree it is a Halloween class and if you don't agree, it's probably because you haven't watched it and you're making an opinion based on what you think the Earnest character is. I'm not saying it's a good movie, but I'm saying it is a good Halloween film, which is a kind of thing, just like there are good Christmas movies that aren't necessarily great movies. And again, the nostalgenists of holidays glosses over a lot, but I think the Holidays are the one time we're kind of allowed to be nostalgic collectively, and nobody is like, you're being fucking nostalgic for Ghostbusters. It's like, but nobody calls you for being nostalgic for Rankin and Bass is Rudolph like Ryan, calm your but holes, but just less and joy shit.

And that's the thing ultimately, Like again, I think you have a movie here that again will turn off people because it is not something that really vibes with today's like comedic Space. But that's but the nostalgia factor. If you're into nineties movies, and especially nineties Halloween movies, this is as I think this is as important an entry as hocus Pocus or Hallowed Out, So I stand by it. It has some really good moments, some really funny lines, and yeah, it's honestly, if you don't want to watch the whole movie, I would highly recommend going on YouTube and at least watching the intro to this movie. It is a wonderful montage mugfest.

It's a Jim Varney mugfest, is what it is. It's Jim mugging and then like the best clip notes versions of greedier features in the early cinema age, and what a fun theme. I like the theme song to this movie. Yes, I will agree with you there. The theme song to this movie is seared into my brain because I'm wonderful.

Yeah, it's it's it's perfect for evoking exactly what it wants to evoke. Yes, spooky, fun spooky, a little kooky. It's a little kooky as well, like, yeah, it's yeah, that's I don't know, that's I think. A perfect way to describe this movie is it's fun. It's kind of weird.

It's funny. I think there's plenty of funny. Like again, it's not just kids. I don't even think there's funny stuff with the kids. I think all the funny stuff is Ernest just being this fucking wild human being.

Right. The kids did their best. They're not the highlight of the film, however, which stinks, but it was still fine, they they gave it. They're all. I think there was only like maybe two kids where I'm like, oh, die already.

But yeah, I mean again, when you have kids in a movie, I know it signals it's a kid's movie. You take what you take, man. Yeah, I don't think that this is a kid's movie the way I think it was probably received when it came out either, I mean again, yeah, the Earnest character, I mean again, I understand why he's being angled for kids, but there is some weird optics of this adult hanging out with children, which like again like and the parents say it, They're like, you should be hanging around with that weirdo Ernest, and it's like, yeah, the optics of this in twenty twenty three are this is a weird man hanging out with children, a weird single man, and with a dog, building on some mental going for it.

It's like, this is a character that in twenty twenty three would be beyond problematic just by what he's what he is doing, not by what he is saying or anything else. It's just he chooses to hang out with children and go on adventures. I'm like, yeah, it's it feels quaint and it feels like a different time and place that they were like, Oh, this is just a thing that nobody's gonna question. It's like, kay, people in the future may have a problem with this, but again, if you can, if you can get around that kind of weird conceit in this movie, I think this movie's fine. It's fun.

Yeah. I was about to say, it's not like he's doing weird shit. He's just being Jim Barney. Right. Well, so for the most part, I can at least like be like, but yeah, the optics of it, like the self, it's hard.

Yeah, in this day and age especially, so yeah, so so, Maggie. Final thoughts on Earnest Scared Stoop. I mean, I'm looking forward to watching it again again. Is that crazy that you'll like watch it probably every year for the foreseeable future. Like to just think about that, like you often think of uh, like if and when I hit an elderly age and inevitably get dementia, like this will probably be one of the few things that I remember period.

Who or if somebody says, boy, I hope you're from Keebler, I will immediately know what that is. While not knowing who my children's That is one of the great lines of the Duward. There's so many between then and it's fifth level Mario Brothers. I feel that my soul he uh yeah, Jim Varney's line delivery is just he's Yeah. The the a plum with which this man was working in a children's movie, It's just you gotta appreciate a guy who just is like, I don't give a shit what this is.

I'm going to turn in a performance, go for these Like I said, I think my biggest takeaway is these movies did not deserve Jim Varney's talents because he was just operating on a different wavelength. And yeah, I mean I would suggest everybody that he's into Halloween movies looking for something more Halloween and less horror to check this out. It's not a horror movie, but it does have horror elements. And you know what, yet, would little kids find it scary? Yeah?

And maybe this is a movie that you can show your kids and bond over and again get them interested in horror, because again, there are points in this movie that do and can be scary for kids. Yeah. I love this movie. I love this character. I Yeah, I'm probably just gonna spend the rest of the evening editing episodes and watching Jim Varney clips.

So oh yes, right, Jim Varney on the background for eight hours. Just god, there's gotta be it. I mean, as a god knows how many fucking hours of content of him just yacking it up as Earnest for all these ads selling chicken tenders and diapers and god knows, yeah, power, But hey know what until the next time covering Earnest, which I don't know we maybe next year we'll do Ernest's Saves Christmas, honest, dad, Like, I've never seen that one, so oh fair enough, that one's pretty decent. I still see the only one I have, I think Christmas is the only one I haven't seen of the original four Jail is the one where that he plays two characters, right, yes, yeah, that one's but that one is more the most adult one of like all about once again, it was an ambiguous target audience.

They just really wanted to make a film with this character, and they fucking did it, and I love it. But he's in jail, like not necessarily like the best setting for like a kid's film. Jurry Duty. Yeah, it's centered around Ernest goes to jury duty and then all of this unreld. Yeah, it's uh yeah, I think Ernest Goes to Jail is probably my favorite.

It's a solid one. It's definitely fits either neck and with Stern stupid or a dangerously close second. It is probably the best out of the series. Yeah, it's it's the least, it's the least seasonally themed, and it's the funniest, the most just like straightforward funny. Yeah.

Maybe maybe in the future we could do Ernest Goes to Jail. I think that would be fun. Ernest deserves Jim. I mean, we'd probably just just be like this episode, this was a good movie and you should watch it, even though it's probably not a great movie and we're being nostalgic. Fuck it, I don't care.

I'm still gonna die by on that hill. Yeah, I'm with you. So on that note, we'll we'll take a break and will play preview for the next Culture cast. I don't know, well, yeah, I don't know what. Oh okay, that's right.

No, I already ran the episode, so I can't do that. Oh I fucked this up. Oh god, damn it. That's right. On the next episode of the Culture cast.

We're gonna be talking about No One Will Save You, which is a new horror movie that just came out, and I will be joined for the first time by disc Connected Ryan Verel to talk about a movie that I'll say right now, if you haven't seen it, watch it before the episode comes out, because we have a lot to say and it's a weird movie. Until then, Maggie, where can people find you? And the things that you're working on? Huh? I will be under a rock, but you can see my artwork and ramblings and sometimes drag on my Instagram Dolan Museum.

You can hear Maggie from time to time and Scary Stories We Tell. We're still Lost Tapes is almost done if you like doing that for like three years now, is what it feels like. Yeah, it feels like a phantom limb out of the first time Lost Taps. I thought we were done with that, Yeah, but the episodes are still going, so they're not done with it. Yeah.

Yeah. As for me, Weirdingwaymedia dot Com, Scary Stories We Tell is one of the shows that I do. Maggie shows up from time to time and we talk about found footage TV shows from the mid two thousands, and then yeah, all sorts of other weirdo audio things over weirdingwaymedia dot com, including plenty of things that I don't work gone that are fantastic in their own light right, like Twisted and Uncorked and the Projection Booth and Feminine Critique and eighties TV ladies and noise junkies, and I could go on, but you should just go on over to Weirdingwaymedia dot com. As for me, you can find me here. There you go, Maggie, thank you so much for joining me time.

Yeah, I don't it's been a couple months, so we'll get that distance down a little bit. But this was this was fun. I'm glad you were just like you ever getting there, are scared stupid And I was like no, and You're like I didn't even respond beyond that. I was like, let's do that. And then it was like, I hope we're here.

Yeah, yeah, so I think I saw it that. I'm like, good, I'm good fun exactly, Yeah, and uh and yeah, as always, we'll catch you on the next episode. As