KCx80TVL: 80 for Brady

M h. We're waiting. M So this show has no intro, it has a cold open. But I'll ask all before we talk about the movie. Do you all watch football?

Yes, kind of. I am a college I'm more of a college football fan. I'm an Ohio State alum okay, I no longer. Growing up, I was a Dallas Cowboys fan until Jerry Jones bought the team, and then I stopped being a Dallas Cowboys fan. Smart choice.

I could go on for days about that, but go for it. Go just go right, go right ahead. So he bought the team. Good for him. But what what ticked me off and continues to tick me off because he showed us behind and doing this is instead of giving Tom Landry the courtesy of telling him that he was no longer employed, he let the man find out on a golf course from a reporter.

If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about this man, nothing will. And I just went I'm done. As long as he's the owner, I don't care. I don't care. So now when it comes to college football, when it comes to pro football, what I do is I follow what is happening with former buck Eyes.

My goal, my hope every year is at least one former Buckeye will win. This will be on the winning Super Bowl team. Unfortunately that did not happen this year. Um so uh to me, sorry, my pencil case not over. It was a whole wasted time.

But yeah, so yeah, college football it's what I follow, mostly Ohio State football and me back up, not not the greater college football, mostly state football. And Susan you said sort of what does sort of mean? Well after that answer, I feel like an idiot. I know what football is. Does that count.

I'm sort of a one of those uh Christmas Catholics as we used to call back of the day. We show up kind of once a year, maybe twice, maybe Christmas and Easter. Um so I show up for Super Bowl. Totally love the Super Bowl. And I will show up sometimes for the Atlanta Falcons, my hometown team, and and I kind of go back and forth about the Saints, but and then you know, my sisters in North Carolina, so sometimes the Panthers.

So that's all I know. I know some names I've heard of the a couple of the big, big players, but that's about it for me. And i'd really but I do love the Super Bowl. We threw a Super Bowl party almost every year and have since Dashell was little. Because our son, Dashel, when he was very young, like in a Bjorn, we would walk into into Old Town, which about two miles from from our house, and go to Barney's Beanery every Sunday with the his older brothers, my stepsons when they were pretty young.

And we walked in and it's usually empty because it's a bar, right like, so we usually go for breakfast. It's usually empty. We walk in and it turns out its opening day for college football, and so every screen, and it's got a lot of them, is tuned to football. And Dashel, who again is like practically a larvae, you know, he's maybe a months old. I don't even know if he was walking at the time, but he goes ah.

He was entranced by football at that point in his life and then stayed entranced for you know, probably until he was you know, six or seven. If we were any kind of sport watching family, he probably would have stayed entranced. I should have just sent him over to Sharon, you know, he you know, and so, but we started the Super Bowl parties because he cared, and for a while I would watch Monday night football with him because he cared. But Rich is not a sport guy and not a sport watching guy, so I hockey forced him. Every year.

I'm like, we're throwing the super Bowl. But then when we do, he loves it because he gets to make drinks and create a betting pool. And oh, of course it was not the second. That was not the second answer I was expecting, but it tracks yeah, And then you know again as as sort of in the in the industry, watching the ads used to be super fun there. It's not as fun anymore now that ads aren't the same thing anymore, right, so well, and also they put them out, They put them all out before the game, so there isn't that an anticipation of what the commercial going to be.

Is it's going to be any good? I think gonna suck this year? You know, you never know. But but now you've seeing them all have the access to beforehand. It sort of takes all the fun out of it about that part of it.

And they are all teasers for commercials too now, which I think is like and the super Bowl, it used to be very exciting because there'd be all these different kinds of ads for different things. Right, there were always you always knew you were going to get some the big movies that were coming. Uh, you always knew you'd get some you know, a lot of car and truck um, you know, and and doritos. I guess for a while. Um, I can't forget those Derito flavor was gonna be but that that part of the Super Bowl has become so less interesting than it used to be.

Um. And and this year, if we want to talk about this past super Bowl, Um, it's so so less um because it was all the same, and it was all it was also so much Fox. I felt like they couldn't sell the ads. Um. And they were just promoting themselves, which you do, right, You get to promote all your shows and stuff.

That's all the TV shows that are on that it's fall on Fox and shows we're not going to cancel after the first season. We promised, don't get invested. We never lie on Fox. All right? Yeah, Oh, I like you love pointed.

So I was was an am a Patriots fan, more a Tom Brady fan. Uh and and I have been a Tom Brady fan because I grew up in a household where we did not watch sports. Growing up, I participated in sports like baseball, but I was not allowed to play football. Think good reason, you know, I think I would have been good at it, but I also don't want to have CTE or have my knees blown out or anything else. So thankful for that.

But when I went to college, I roomed with a whole bunch of people that were all sports journalism majors, and h, you better find a team to pick and fucking root for, because otherwise you're gonna have nothing to talk about. And that was in the fall of oh eight, and Tom Brady had his knee blown out that season by the Kansas City Chiefs. Of all teams, the Super Bowl Kansas City Chiefs. Now. So I was like, yeah, all right.

I saw a couple interviews with Brady. He seemed like interesting guys. I was like, I'll cheer for the Patriots. Seems like I picked a good team to cheer for for the last twelve years. Obviously, Tom Brady is now retired, which I think is a little kind of ironic now, given that he played much longer than most quarterbacks too, and had a much much more successful career than most quarterbacks too, especially playing to the age that he played.

But that's not to say that cheering for Tom Brady and the Patriots hasn't been interesting given all the cheating scandals and all the bullshit surrounding the team. And you know, we we could talk about that for hours. I'm sure. Uh, Sharon, my mom is a Cowboys fan, which I find immensely hilarious that you jumped off the bandwagon to the Cowboys and like, the what have that been like the eighties? Now that it was?

It was I think early nineties, Okay, right was before they won the second tier Super Bowls that they got correct, right? Correct? I was. I was a Cowboys fan too. I think everybody was for a while, right, Like they're America's team for a reason.

Yeah, I'm not sure why they're America's team, but but I'm sure there was a reason. I mean, they're like the second most financially profitable sports franchise in the world behind Manchester United. So that's what I go for, the most financially Jerry Jones, that's what you go for. So you have to remember the sports landscape was very different back then in that you didn't have access to all the games, right, So what, the Cowboys were pretty successful, So I think a lot of markets, when given a choice, would put a Cowboys game on, and so more people had access to Cowboys games than probably most other teams. And I think this is my own personal opinion, but I think that's what led to them having such a widespread fan base across the country, especially in those places that maybe didn't necessarily have a team nearby.

So now but now that's all change, which has also been kind of interesting to me to watch and to see how fandom has changed on the professional side because of the fact that games are so accessible and so now it's easier to be a Chiefs fan living in Los Angeles and get to see their games. And it was twenty years ago when there was almost no way you were going to get to see a Chiefs game that maybe once or twice a year. So it's all different. It's very different to the point where we have a movie about Tom Brady winning the Super Bowl, which is just you know, it makes sense, right if you're going to do movies about Michael Jordan, like like Mike, which they did in the mid two thousands about I guess the foremost basketball player then, and I would say, now, come at me, Lebron fans.

I think it's interesting. But it makes sense that there is a Tom Brady football movie in the you know, in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three, because Tom Brady's the biggest name in football other than Pat Mahomes. Before we get too deep into this, I think it's important that I mentioned that I am not a Tom Brady fan. In fact, I am more of an anti Tom Brady fan. He went to the in college, he played for the team up north as we oh wow, I won't even mention the name.

Not in that context. I ain't. I'm Brady at a cellular level of folks, to the point where I think, as I mentioned earlier, each year, I want a former buck Eye to win a Super Bowl ring And there were years when I was conflicted because the Patriots were playing a team that had no former buck Eyes, and yet there were maybe one or two on the Patriots. So who do I root for? What do I root for?

What am I? You know? I have to admit I was conflicted. So the only reason I went to see this movie is because I was like, I ain't going nowhere near this thing. Once I realized he had something to do with it.

It was in it. Susan is the one that got me there, so and I'm ultimately I'm happy she did. But yeah, I feel it's important that I did. I make that how I feel about Tom Brady. So on this episode of the Culture Cast, your Dear host Brady apologist christasch She was joined by the co host of the tv Ladies podcast, one of the finest podcasts you can find on the Internet over at weird Ingwaymedia dot com, but more importantly over at eighty tv ladies dot com, your Friends in Mind, the co host of that show, Sharon and Susan Sharon, who has outed herself as a Tom Brady hat show proud Tom Brady hater.

I you know what they'll like, I get it. Like you're to say you were the only one. Is not the case. I think I've met more people that hate him than like him. I will I have a short story to tell about this.

In nineteen nineteen, in the early two thousands, must have been after they won their first Super Bowl. I'm at the SPS thanks to work, I'm in the VIP area where all of the big sports people are hanging out and one of my friends says, oh, there's Tom Brady. Do you want to go say hello? I went absolutely not. I have nothing to say to him, thank you?

So fucking hell? Come on, okay, jesus the badge. Do guys send you like a patch? Like a right anti? I hate Tom Brady patch.

Even the people that I know would have gone up, Even the people that I know that don't like him would have gone up to him and be like, hey, mister, yeah, fuck, that's it, that's ok that's okay. There were a lot of other people there to say hello to. I really just didn't need to go anywhere near him, including some former Buckeyes. So wow. So on this episode of the Culture Cast, we are gonna be talking about the twenty twenty three sports comedy film Hathlete titled eighty four Break.

Don't you tie out of the tame, old boring ride. Let's go to the super Bowl. I'm in okaygn This one was cute to this Frisch, So you don't have any right. Let's get into the best trouble. I'm at a party with the Bunchie.

Why a champaigne such a violent beverage? Think about something to remember. It worked. So the movie is directed by Kyle Marvin, written by Sarah Haskins and Emily Helpern, and it is produced by Tom Brady and Tom Brady is actually in it, which is fucking insane. And it stars Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Rita Moreno, and Sally Field as four friends based off of real people who went to the twenty seventeen Super Bowl where the Patriots, well, they had the greatest super Bowl victory of all time.

Even if you don't like Tom Brady, I don't think there's any at least up until now. And it's a it's a story kind of that we've seen before. Four friends who go do something somewhere that is not their home. It's kind of like the Hangover. I don't know how to describe it, Like it's hangover adjacent perfect.

That is perfect. Yes, So I'm gonna kick it to you first, Sharon, what did you think of eighty for Brady? I was pleasantly surprised. I had fairly low expectations. I really wasn't sure what to expect.

I'm not someone I tend to avoid. Who am I kidding? I very vociperously avoid trailers of movies because they give too much away. So I really didn't know much about it other than the women that were in it and that it was about these women going to the Super Bowls. Basically all I knew.

But I found it quite entertaining charming. Of course I knew going in I would love all of our leading ladies. I did not know the DC as much of John Brady as we did, so it's probably just as well I didn't know that. Nevertheless, I found myself really enjoying it, very very found it to be much more enjoyable than I ever expect. You, Susan Shanghai and your poor co host here to go watch a Brady movie.

I want to go watch this movie that's totally not about John Brady. Now, to be fair, I didn't know the white hot hatred that Sharon has an avatar to Bernie, the burning sensation of having to watch Tom Brady. I did not know that was going to exist for her. I was excited about the ladies and the eighties because see they're they're eighty in the movie, but they're also ladies from the eighties and they're going going to see Tom Brady is his number eighty. I don't know what the eighty if I can do any more anything else with the eighties.

But oh though they had shirts made, so in the real story, I guess they had shirts made that they wore and went together to see this. So I was all I was thinking of was this would be really fun for us all to go see for our you know, for eighties TV ladies, because you know, the ladies, um and then and then then I found out that that Sharon. I think my expectations, though, were also surpassed, because I did not I really was not expecting it to be as charming as it was. It was delightful to watch these ladies do their thing, which I thought i'd get a couple of scenes. I was hoping for a couple of scenes.

I was hoping for a couple of moments. The story is weird, you know, so anyway we will get into it. There is barely a story. Okay, like the story, Yeah, I get the charm was pretty off the hook. And I'm going to include Tom Brady in that kind of unexpected because I am I don't have really strong feelings.

I just have a general unease with the Tom Brady of you. Just make me uneasy, you know that, you know, like no one should be that much of a winner, right, and again we sort of evolved the deflation gate or whatever it was, like I don't know anything about it, but really, but anyway, it just feels like it's like rooting for the Yankees. You're like, you kind of can't do it. You couldn't for a while. I guess they're not the winners they used to be.

But that is correct, and that is correct. But the movie, it was a delightful movie going experience. I did not have high helps for this movie any more than I think the three of us did. Given that, again, it just kind of came out. I saw a very little press for it, very little advertisement.

Look, Tom Brady was I guess Tom Brady would still have been playing when this movie came out, because the movie came out right at the beginning of February and he just retired, so, you know, again pretty topical. He had his whole waffling last year of will I retire in won't I? And look there goes my marriage? So again, like it's kind of advantageous that a movie about Brady is coming out when he is more or less again, he's supposedly done. He has retired, and that was big news in February.

That happened in February, So it couldn't have come at a better time for this movie. All that out of the way, Yeah, it was pretty fun. I mean, look, you have Lily Tomlin and Jane fond Of reading the fucking phone Book together and it's going to be entertaining, and then put Sally Field and read a Moreno in there, and it just then it becomes a movie. And I think you could have the four of them go and do anything. I realistically, the four of them together have such good chemistry that they should just go and make more movies like this for folks like us who enjoy seeing actresses who are still talented and funny being funny around people that understand how to be funny with that kind of vibe that they all give off.

And again, like they don't lean on the things that I was expecting. I mean, they kind of do with the Rita Moreno character, and it's a little we've all seen this before of the I guess horny grandma character, like I don't know how else to describe what the character like, I don't know that, but it like they've done it in other things that I've seen, and here it works better because they're not leaning on it constantly. But I felt like that with all the characters, they don't lean on one of them too much so that it's like, I'm really sick of this gag over and over again. They kind of spread it around, which also works because if it had just been Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda, I might not have liked it as much.

But the fact that we have kind of all four of them and they're all portraying a different personality type essentially, I think really works for the movie to carry it over a literal lack of plot, Like it's just it is vignettes essentially, like vignettes of these women at the super Bowl, because everything that happens up before the super Bowl, which is like half an hour of an hour and a half movie, is not particularly interesting, and I think, uh yeah, and there's you know, it feels like the NFL also produced this god But but I also it feels like, um, and I saw this somewhere, I don't know where. It feels like Golden Girls meets The Hangover m So it's it's it's these four women sort of like and just they're just great comedians.

They're great to watch. Their timing is fantastic. Their their ability to kind of run a scene, the Rita Morano poker thing fantastic, and that had a nice button to it. I thought that was like really one of my favorite of the of the bits that they were doing. And they were all doing their own little bits like salad field eating hot wings and I'm talking about her strap on, wapping about her strap on.

But again, like it just it really was sort of delightfully filled with moments where these ladies could shine. And it was a big giant ad for how great it is to go to the Super Bowl. And days before the Super Bowl apparently the NFL experience and throw footballs at targets and win T shirts. I can tell you that when I went to the Super Bowl when it was in Dallas, there was not any T shirt winning of any kind. Well not for you.

Oh well there, that's fair, very fair. Going to the Super Bowl is on my bucket list. I have not made that happen yet. I have been to the Old Series, but I have not been the super Bowl, and I really would like to go, and so, did you actually go to the Super Bowl? Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. We sat somehow again, we bought we My grandmother was on her bucket list, so she took me and my dad, who is her son, and my mom and my sister and I and we all went and we ended up sitting where the Packers players families were sitting because Donald Drivers like brother who looks just like Donald Driver, was sitting in front of me, standing up and cheering the whole time. I kept looking at my dad and I was like, that guy looks like fucking Donald Driver. He's got to be his brother. And then we kept looking around and everybody was wearing Packers jersey, so we're like, okay, this must be the family section, which is pretty shitty because the seats weren't great.

But fine, we were at the super Bowl. But you know, I've been to the super Bowl, and I've been to WrestleMania twice, and I think I don't need to go to those big events anymore. I'd like to go to the World Series. I would like to go to a World Cup game. But the Super Bowl was a overwhelming experience in a way that things tend to not overwhelm me, you know.

And look, I would love to have been there when the Patriots beat the Falcons in twenty seventeen. This was in Houston, so I would love to have been there. But yeah, I mean I get why it's on everybody's bucket list, but I think it's a one and done type thing for sure. For sure. And it was crazy expensive, like twelve hundred dollars for a ticket type thing like that's that's not that's not, that's I don't know, nope, especially not especially not a great seat.

Yeah right, exactly back for that kind of money exactly. But they but they had that there, they had the NFL experience, like sure, I mean you can go to it. It's like a little yeah, it's like, yeah, I think it's funny you mentioned this, Susan. I was thinking about this, like it is just one giant ad for the NFL. Like but that said, I kind of love the football.

It was great to see like a sports movie where you were actually seeing the sporting game play out and it was a real game and it wasn't we've recreated a game or we've done the thing. And clearly it's like you know, like you kind of know they have five hundred camera and angles at the Super Bowl, but I think I feel like we saw stuff that wasn't aired, right. We saw angles that I didn't don't remember seeing from that game, which I did watch because we threw a Super Bowl party for that game, and we were heartbroken. I was not heartbroker that that was the greatest football watching experience that I had. It was amazing.

It wasn't amazing, particularly for all the people that texted me at halftime and then had to really suffer big fucking chrome. I distinctly remember my mom was getting ready to text me because she's not a fan of the Patriots, and my dad was like, don't do it, don't do it, and she did, thankfully, because yeah, well, and and Brady is kind of known for that, right like he known for him and back from behind and the super Bowl. It's literally in the Super Bowl. I think you're right. There have been a number of times where I mean, certainly not to that degree is what happened in this game, where he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, as the saying goes, where it seemed like they were done and then low and behold, miraculously they win.

Um, yeah, I like it. I don't think anybody who wasn't a Patriots But I didn't like it. But I actually appreciate because they have Andy Richter, I guess playing himself question Mark kind Yeah, yeah, I kind of. Yeah, he doesn't play some some he's the rich guy in the suite, right. I don't think he's right.

But it's what's funny is they have him safe to Sally Field, like or I guess Rita Marino. He's like, oh, it's what's than all one person that was legit? Like at halftime, I remember looking at my phone and being like, it's like less than one. It's like less than one percent chance. So I like that they again, like I like that this is the story that they're telling because, like you've mentioned, Susan, this is such a memorable game.

Everybody who watches the Super Bowl remembers this game, I think, right, I mean, at least in the last ten years, it hasn't been a Super Bowl more exciting since. Frankly, although the last one was actually all right, I thought that was great in different in a different way. Yeah, Okay, I didn't like the outcome, but yeah, I didn't watch the last Super Bowl. Actually, I've stopped watching it because it's because to your point about the ads before, both of your points about the ads, like even the ads don't feel the same anymore. So yeah, well that for that twenty seventeen super Bowl, though I was not I did not watch it.

Um. I had some friends I used to have a super Bowl party. They moved out of town. I don't know. Before that game, I whatever, and I just kind of was like, I don't really care who wins other than I'm not interested in the game.

Really the sides there too many Patriots get Patriots against so many times. But I do remember somehow I heard during that day. I remember where it was that the Patriots were down quite a bit at halftime, and I thought, oh god, they're gonna win. I'm serious, I am absolutely serious. I'm like, I don't know if they're they're gonna win.

Somehow, they're gonna pull this out of there behind And sure enough it was all Lily Tomlin. Apparently, that's my favorite thing about this entire movie, is describing them winning to Lily Tomlin, just going win the fucking game, Tom Brady, Yeah, yeah, I love that. It comes down to basically Lily Tomlin screaming at Tom Brady them breaking into the call players right, yeah, like what the hell? But no security and uh and then basically taking over the mic and Tom Brady listened. That was a lovely I was lovely.

It was lovely and uh yeah, and so I think it's really it's really They're they won the Super Bowl. I mean, well that which reminds me. I did love all the completely and totally improbable things that happened along the way. Things they ended up places, ended up being, things they ended up doing that, you know, are like the Patriots winning that game, you know, one in a thousand, um. But uh still, it was it was fun and it was charming, and I thoroughly enjoyed all of it, well, a lot of other fun cast I love the Billy Porter say that.

I love that they There's all sorts of chaos that ensues, of course, and there's lost tickets and bound tickets, and they're sneaking around places they're not supposed to be. But at one point I love the moment where they hook up with Billy Porter, who's the choreographer for part of the halftime show, and then convinces a security guard that they're part of the dance team, so to sneak them into the super Bowl, which apparently. I to tell you, if people watching this gonna think it's a lot easier than I imagine it to be. You know, it does make me wonder if this movie is going to result in more people trying to sneak into things, thinking, oh, this is easy. I can just sort of wander in and people will.

You know, nobody's gonna care kind they find a rich, famous person to vouch for me, that's all, because all it is is they just have rich people vouching for them over and over again. Harry Hamlin shows up and he's like, they're with me. Billy Porter shows up and he's like, they're with me. It's like Jesus, all these rich people are just enamored with these four women, and the football players are enamored, like, get them under the come onto the party with us, like, so, come to the locker room please, I want to meet you face to face like what so? And again that is the fantasy, you know, sort of fantasy sports football world in a whole different way.

But it's also an interesting you know, it's interesting because they're they're eighty year old women, or as rid Miranda Polin points out ninety at a Alleyfield points out seventy five, that they're sort of like kind of not supposed to be there, and so they're an anomaly. Even though I don't think they are at the super Bowl. I'm sure there's people of all ages. My grandmother wanted to go to the super Bowl and she was like, seventy five. Yeah, So, but I think there is something about women of a certain age not being recognized, not being taken seriously, and being kind of ignored.

And so the idea that four eighty year old Ish women can just sort of walk into anywhere and kind of get away with something is kind of interesting because I want to see these four do a caper movie next, you know. I think actually there's something to the fact that they are women of a certain age that makes it more plausible that they can walk into things like this, because everybody sees their grandmother or that woman in their life of that age, and they're going to treat them a lot differently than they're going to treat somebody who's our age. If you're really young or on the opposite end of the spectrum, you get treated a lot differently than those of us that are closer to the middle, if you will.

Nobody wants to be the one that was mean to the grandma. Nobody wants to be caught on tape being mean to the grandma, you know, especially these days with people with phones and stuff. I mean, you don't want to be that person. So I think they can see where there might it might be there's a there's a small higher level of plausibility of them being able to make their way through these spaces that they don't belong than somebody who's thirty or forty, because nobody's going to care at that point when you're that age. And I should mention, you know, because I mentioned my grandmother it was on her bucket list.

That's because my grandmother cheered for the fucking Steelers and wanted to see Roethlisberger play in the Super Bowl. Because once my grandfather passed away, all my grandmother did on the weekend was watch football, college and professional football, and that's all she would do. She would just sit and read and watch football all weekend. And what I know, to wax poetically, what I appreciate about this movie is it also shows that there are plenty of other people watching football that aren't just people my age or people y'all's age, or people younger than me. Because again, like we've all, like you have both said, there is this expectation that I guess, I don't want to mass generalize women, but again, I don't know what the perception is of people who watch football, but I get I think the perception is men of a certain age getting together and all watching football.

And the people that I know that are super into sports are not men. They are women, and one of them is my mom. And my mom is a bigger Cowboys fan than I know most people are of the teams that they cheer for. And I appreciate that this movie also is showing representation of women of a certain age who you would not think are watching football, are into football, more into football than more people. I know.

These four women who actually existed are more into the Patriots than I ever could hope to be. And you would not assume that, given again, what we're supposed to believe, the people who watch sports in this country, especially football, are Yeah, that's a really good point there. I mean, I know a lot of women who are who are football fans. All All three of my college former college roommates were all. We're all big Ohio State fans.

Um. I know that out of us, Deb is probably the one that mostly I mean, I think everybody watches the games, but Deb has a friend and where she lives in Ohio and they go to the bar every week to go watch the game. When we got together for our reunion this year, we made sure that it was um, you know, our plan on Saturday was to sit in the Airbnb rerended and watch the game. Planned all around that because that was we used to watch games together when we were in college, and that's sort of part of our thing. Both of my sisters are sports fan.

My mother's a sports fan. Um. One of my sisters is more of a basketball than football fan, much more basketball. So yeah, a lot of women are football fans. A lot to women are sports fans in general, right, And it's not as taken as seriously in a lot of ways as as you might might think it would be.

Although I will say that in recent years, the NFL has had a line of jerseys specifically tailored for women as opposed to women just having you know, put on a jersey that was designed for a man, so there is some recognition that, hey, maybe some of the ladies do want to watch this and we should pay attention to that, so that I think that's good. My wife definitely owns a Tom Brady woman's jersey and I definitely bought it for But you know, again, like I think it's an unfair generalization, but I think it's one that is constantly made because when you see advertising for fantasy football and other sports things, they are catering and tailoring it towards men, and I think it's unfair because, like you've just mentioned, Sharon with examples of my own life, and I'm sure Susan you could echo this.

A movie like this, I think does a lot to show and give everybody an idea that the football watching world is not just a bunch of sweaty dudes in a man cave on Sunday. And I think to break society of that perception is important because I think it opens up the game to a different set of advertisers, a different group of people being involved and being active in the game, and hopefully pushing the game in a more civilized direction. Because when a player almost dies on the field because of how unsafe football actually is. Maybe things need to change. And I know I don't want to get on a soapbox here, but I more or less stopped watching the NFL this past year because of the lack of kind of addressing of CTE how dangerous it is.

And again, it's a dangerous sport. It's the most dangerous sport in the world outside of actual contact sports like MMA or boxing. But you know, it's kind of hard to rubber stamp the NFL. But at the same time, I think it's important that more people than just men of a certain age watching football are being catered to because again, even the ads during football are normally bloodweiser, and it's like Jesus Christ, like, you think only men watch this, like because they're not. They're really not.

Yeah, I thought that was go ahead. Oh. I just thought it was really interesting that this movie came out like February third, the week before the Super Bowl, so that on super Bowl weekend it could be counter programming to the super Bowl. You know, they were thinking it for people that were like not super Bowl people, this might be something to do. And the definitely the audience for eighty for Brady, the target audience were women of a certain age, right, just you know, and and so that I thought was really interesting, even though I think there are you know, there's a lot of women to watch super Bowl, and there's a lot of women that then the week after the super Bowl probably went to Saw eighty for Brady to sort of wrap up their football love.

So I do think it's interesting that this movie did really well. Like it it almost beat whatever the Shamalan oh Knock at the Cabin. Yeah, it came very close to beating it. For the weekend, it definitely had more more ticket sales. It just had more matinee ticket sales and uh.

And then it's it's held pretty well. And I think that is both because it's a comedy and I think we're now in a space we're actually having the ability to laugh and do something that feels fun and light and joyful and goofy is desirable to a lot of people in the country. But also because of the power of those ladies and that it hits a lot of target audiences. It's going to hit your Super Bowl audience. You're Tom Brady fan, and if you like any of those ladies, there's a reason to go see this movie, and you mentioned Tom Brady.

He is a bigger part of this movie than I was expecting him to be. I mean, we kind of mentioned he showed up at the end, obviously, But I guess Lily Tomlin's spirit guide is Tom Brady because she has those scenes where again you have her looking at the screen and it's obviously not talking to her, and then she looks up again and it's talking directly to her. And we've seen this before and other things, but it is it's done well here because again, I Sharon, I know you're not a fan of Tom Brady, but he is a charismatic human being I think at his core, and I think even if someone is not a fan of him, they would be like, oh okay, like I could see what his deal is, because again, I don't know how many people have seen him do anything other than throw a football.

But pretty well spoken guy, and he has pretty good comedic timing as well. But I'm surprised he was in it as much as he was given. I mean, yeah, he's producing the movie, but most of the time people who are producing movies are at least mentioned in a movie like this, don't show up five or six times it's like, oh, one time at the end, maybe it's like a really extended cameo, which it would have been if they hadn't done anything else. You're right, he was, he was more. He did very well in in his role, I thought, um and he was in the movie more than I was expecting him to me.

Um as as well. But uh, I don't know that I've seen him do anything in any commercials or anything, because I don't tend to watch a lot of commercials in general. But I would imagine he's done some so that I'm sure help um. And I'm sure he got as much help as he could from well Tom tom Brady, being Tom Brady. I'm sure he worked his ass off right too before he stepped in front of the camera to deliver those lines, because that's just the kind of guy he is.

And you don't get to be a six seven time super Bowl champions by accident. I know it's at least six. I know he's got more seven seven, it's seven one time with the Buccaneers yet, so I'm sure he did a lot of preparation because that's just how he built. So I gave him credit for that. I has never eaten a strawberry.

That was what he had claimed at one point, which is like he goes because he goes. He's because he's like a health nut during the like like Sharon just said, he is. He's like, I don't know what he is, but he's hyper focused on being the best at football to the point where he's vegan during the season. He doesn't like drink soda, he doesn't eat sugary fruit. He okay, all right, because I was just strawberries or vegan, I know, but he's just like he's like, I don't know.

He's one of those He's like that guy everybody knows who is at the you know, repertory hall until five in the morning, practicing the same scale over and over again. But he also happens to be the person where it pays off from them. Not everybody can do that a million times and it actually matter. He just happens to be, you know, one of those people. Sometimes in the last couple of years, he was on like Stephen Colbert's Light Light Show, and I remember Stephen bringing up the strawberry thing, and Stephen either got him to eat a strawberry or drink a beer, and I cannot remember which because that's something else he doesn't do, right, he doesn't, you know, um, but so I listen.

I'm sure it's something that cleared with him before the show ambushed him right then and there you're gonna eat one of these tom or you know, thank god for the internet. It was eaten eat a strawberry. But that's fascinating to me. And you know, and and and you know again, coming in without as passionate the feelings as the two of you, he was great, Like, I can't again. I had my little like mm, I'm suppos suspicious, but he was so warm in his scenes, particularly at the end of the movie, that you're like, oh, I totally buy this.

It felt less awkward, Like I think there's that Saturday Night Live appearance that many sports players and get to um, and he's been on it at least one and I think, I think that's a time I've seen him and and and it's always charming, but it always feels like a little bit of like the you know, the high school football you know, Captain is in the musical, uh, you know kind of moment we were like, okay, well, you know he's tall, um, but tall I'm good looking, seriously, sometimes just tall. But in this I give you a tall and good looking. I mean, all the football players in this movie were great. I was sort of surprised how natural they seemed, and as all of them, and particularly Tom Brady. Um and and again you just got that wonderful thing because I don't think those ladies are all that tall, and so the fact that they were just towers like of people was just so wonderful.

And I I recognize that as being like, that's what professional sports people are, way daller than actors period usually uh and so um, like you usually see sports movies and it's you know, Dennis Quaid. You know, he's fine, he's he's a he's a probably above average size guy, but he is not a football player size guy, real life football player or real life like Melissa who is our producer on eighties TV Ladies. Um, her dad was a sports attorney and so through her I once met Ac Green. We hung out with Haycy Green, who was giant and giant basketball player and and a very very large person. And it's so it's so weird, like you like, it's so they're so big.

Yeah, it is so weird. We took back. We hung out with him in Arizona because I guess he had just gone from the Lakers to the Sons or something. And then he's like, oh, and they always have this, Oh can you drive my shoes back? And were like what?

And he had two Duffel bags full of shoes that had were either his or he were giving them away or something, and he needed to get them back to La. So we drove his shoes back and so I got to put on Acy Green's shoes, which it was liked, like it was so fun, But it really does feel like you're like a robot person. You're not a real live human being. I mean that's fair, but anyway, so I love that because you really did get that feeling when they when they did get to meet the players, uh that that these were real sports figures. But I also loved how warm they were in the scenes that they were in.

It was really fun. I think Tom Brady also is drawing from personal experience because they show it at the end of the movie for a second, him and his mom, because I believe during the twenty seventeen season his mom had cancer, and so it's kind of interesting that they had then have Lily Tomlin's character who maybe has cancer. Her and Tom Brady end up being the ones who share, you know, the bulk majority of the scenes together, which is obviously the smartest person I think in the movie to have opposite Tom Brady is the immaculate Lily Tomlin. But I think also it's interesting because there's like a meta textualness to that scene that if you know about because again, like it feels like, again, we don't know what tom Brady felt or thought about his mom having cancer, but like that's the closest you'll ever get to see to that.

But it's interesting because, like you said, it feels really warm and real because I think it really was like it was coming from a place of like really understanding the expectation of that scene. I think it really works. I also would really like to read Jane Fonda's Gronkowski sexual erotica, which I think is like one of the better subplots of this movie that has a great payoff at the end too. Yeah, really does. And that's what I was thinking about, was how yeah he's huge, and um yeah that was really again everybody, I love that each of the women got something for their character that you know just had a lot of delightful insight into it.

Um and and surprise um, and you're just like you just want to watch them. I mean like there just wasn't enough of them, Like I just want more Sally Field, I want more Rita Moreno, I want more Jane Fonda and more Lily Tomlin. Apparently we're gonna get it, so I'm more goodness ten Rida Marina No No, Lily Tomlin, and Jane Fonda star in a movie that's coming out that is called Moving on and and I can't believe it's coming like right on the heels. It feels like Paramount would be like hold up whatever's releasing that movie. Uh.

But I would watch The Hangover with the four of them like a movie. I would watch a R rated version of this movie. That would be My kind of only complaint is that this movie is PG thirteen R. I totally needed to be OUR. I think it would have played better for the audience that it was going for if it had been OUR, because I don't think Lily Tomlin, er Jane Fondo, or Rita Marino or Sally Field have any issue saying fuck or shit or anything.

Else, and I think I think that would have been That's like my only big complaint with the movie is I think it would have played better if they had allowed them to go a little bit raunchier at like Hugh, closer to what we kind of know and expect from Lily Tomlin and from again from the four of them, because they kind of touch on it with the strap on joke or the erotica with Gronkowski. But I think it would have been interesting if they had just kind of pushed that a little bit more. I wouldn't have been surprised if maybe the original script was edgier and was R. But I gotta tell you, having worked at a studio, there is a downside to releasing a movie like this as an R rating. You're just not going to make as much money.

Because in this case, grandmothers could bring their kids to this, to their grandkids to this movie, and they could enjoy it together, just as they could take their kids to the Super Bowl. Are their grandkids That's fair, But to be fair, my grandmother would have taken me to see this Pg. Thirteen or R, so well, I'll give you that as my grandmother clearly cooler only mention it because Emily Halpern was one of the co writers on Book Smart, which I really really liked. Yes, I think that was like, h what's her name, Beanie Feldstein, Jonah Hill's sister, where it's the two girls in high school who are about to graduate. Olivia Wilde directed it.

It's a lot of fun and I when I saw that she was one of the writers on this, I was like, Oh, okay, it'll It kind of has that feel to it where it's a comedy that's more smartly written than it probably deserves to be. Because again, most honestly, the thing that's more surprising about this movie is it doesn't really feel like a cash grab, which these movies totally kind of always are, especially one that feels like it's made by and for the NFL. Yeah, I mean for all the like again, it feels like the perfect mix of capitalism and heart right, Yeah, you know, I would. I would imagine Tom Brady being one of the producers. The NFL was happy to do whatever the movie wanted him them to do.

As long as I got him on board, I could say, hey, we want oh yeah, yeah we do what Sure you can have that do whatever you want with that. It's fine. Um, I would imagine they would have been They would have been very very helpful to this movie in ways they might not have been in other movies well for sure. And then they could also go. Oh and by the way, I think you should have seen it the NFL experience.

Maybe five scenes at the NFL apparent. Yeah, it was just delightful. And again, I think the other thing is each of these women are powerhouse women right alone to together like and again you're like Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda obviously have their television show. Um, you know that has been on for four or five seasons. I think it I think it just ended even like last year.

Maybe, Um, it was on for a while. I saw it in the first season and that was like a long time. I wasn't living here when I saw the first season at that show, so it was a while ago. Grayson Frankie has been on. I got to figure out how long it's on seven years, twenty fifteen to twenty twenty.

Yeah, I mean they're you know, like they're had a long time series. It's a long time for Netflix. It is a long time for Netflix. We may never see shows, may never see seven series again on Netflix. Yeah, it probably helped that it came that it started as early as it did in Netflix doing doing original scripted stuff.

But you know, one of the things I remember thinking as I was watching the movie is while I appreciated they each had something to do that allowed them to go off and shine, Sally Field with the hot wang um uh, Rita Morena with the poker game, etc. I really wanted more of them together. I really would have enjoyed more of them doing whatever they were doing together, maybe even in pairs, at least more than what we got there. I guess I just wanted more of them. I would have been happy to sit there another half an hour.

I'm with you, absolutely I did get the feeling watching it. I'm like, oh, they couldn't all work the same days, like they all were like okay, we'll give you. We'll give you ten days for each lady. And so it's like, okay, we're gonna schedule them all this, you know, But then we got we got, you know, two days with Rita Moreno, but we don't have anybody else. And we got two days with Shalli Field but we don't have anybody else.

Um, you know, even though again because there scenes together a great they did. So I did see a lot of marketing for this movie, which is unusual because I don't typically notice a lot of marketing for movies. Which is also unusual because I worked in marketing for movies, so I like to notice it. It's just harder and harder to notice it because I don't spend as much time on social media for watching ad television. Um so, but I did.

They found me, and I am the target. So whatever algorithms they got going, and I saw, I saw them everywhere, and I saw all, like all the snippets of their interviews on they pressed this. They did the press for this movie to open it as well as they did, and they were delightful together. And those interviews are delightful and they're all talking about who's got an Emmy and an Oscar and how many and a Grammy and a Tony and uh you know, and like you know, Rina Marina, I didn't realize until this movie publicity push, isn't he got Oh yeah got them all? Yeah, Yeah, that's not easy.

That's again an astronaut man. She may have been one of the first ones that that yeah he got it. Or whatever that whatever the terminology is. One of them were on Trixie Mattel's YouTube channel, which I don't know if you all know who Trixie Mattel is, I do they were they really, yeah, the four of them to advertise this movie. Trixie Mattel is a drag for those of you don't know.

But but the four of them are on there and Trixie Mattel's asking them questions and it's it's as wild as it sounds. That was the only piece of advertising I saw. I was actually kind of disappointed because as someone who is a Patriots fan, I would have thought that the algorithm would have found me somehow because you assus it. You were like, hey, there's this movie called eighty for Brady And I was like, Brady isn't Tom Brady And You're like yeah. I was like, oh, what the fuck?

Like I had never heard of it until you mentioned it, which I found to be shocking. Wow, this shocking because you're if you're a Patriot fan, you should have been this movie targeted to, right, H. Did you imagine any of the playoff games or any of the leading up to the Super Bowl or I didn't. I didn't That may have been why, Yeah, because I would imagine it, or carpet bombing the Super Bowl. I mean, those those games with with ads for this movie.

Um, even after the whatever team Brady was, Tampa Bay was out of the running. Um, because that's kind of their audience. That's a lot of their audience. So I think they were hoping to reach Um and Susan. I'm sure if there's somebody listening to this that that knows something or is involved in marketing, they would love to figure out how the world they got to you, I saw a football fan astantly, Yeah, and it didn't get to christs.

Yeah. That is a case study in and of itself that would be so interesting. And I'm you know, I'm I am glad that this movie exists because I am glad that they that these actresses are still able to carry a movie together, Like somebody is going, you know what, we don't need to constantly just trot the current actors out. These actresses are still able to kill it together. And I really hope that somebody takes the four of them, or at least three of the four, or ads another one, because that's the other thing.

The eighty for Brady Women is actually five women. It's not four. The original. The original that this is the people that these are based off of, is five. So I would actually ask y'all as kind of an interesting question, if there had been a fifth person, who would that fifth person have been?

And why should it not be Dolly Parton? Why not just Dolly Parton? Don't just make no sense? But there we go. Yeah, I mean, I guess the main reason is how would Dolly Parton and all her Dolly partners, her accent in particular her you know, we're growing up in Tennessee because I don't know that you can get away from that be a Tom Brady fan.

Um, it's clear where this takes place in the movie, like where do they live? They do they do? Because they talk about they're traveling, So I think they talk about they're getting on airport, so they're Northeast. I want to say, I'm pretty sure Massachusetts, Boston, Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean I think they're in the I think they're in the heart of the Patriots countries were Okay, it's where they are. Um, but I mean, if they could figure out some way to put Dolly Parton in this, i'd be there for that.

I'd be absolutely there for that. Well, they could meet up with Dolly partner in Houston. I just feel like at that point then it's just Dolly Parton playing So I feel like that should have I mean, I mean, that's I think the issue is if you put Dolly Parton in this, like Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin and Rita Marino and Sally Field aren't playing characters quote unquote, but they're pretty much just playing themselves, right, So I mean, maybe Dolly Parton would have been a step too far. But if it wasn't Dolly Parton, is there another actress that could slot into this this mix? The Golden Girls were still around, and that would be fun.

Jane Smart, but they're not. Jane Smart was not these these women were all movie stars. Yeah, Anny, what about Annie Potts again? Annie Potts told all all the women that we might come up with would be amazing. But I think it's more of like a Meryl Streep or a legacy, like big legacy.

Because you said Rita Marino is an egot, right, Yeah, I think Lily Tomlin is egt I believe, yes, So yeah, yeah, So like like I mean that's the issue. It's like you mentioned, I mentioned Dolly Parton only because I think Dolly Parton's legacy can stand up to the four of their legacies as well. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Um, who would that be now? I mean, because it would be an eighties TV ladies, but it might be more of like an eighties TV an eighties film lady because it was such a different time for film, so if you were a film star, it was at a different level in some ways than being a TV star in the eighties.

It's also kind of horrifying because if you think about it, like the these four women kind of are in a class of their own, and the fact that it's hard to come up with someone else Whoopi Goldberg. I would put Whoopi Goldberg up there, Keaton yes, yeah, okay, yeah, Kathlink Turner, glenns Meryl Street, woman from Shit's Creek, Katherine O'Hara. Yeah, but like even then, it's like, now she is there, But this was being cast based off of like everything that you know about them coming into this. I mean, Hey, Dolly Parton, as far as I'm concerned, you just have slap Dolly Parton on the poster behind the four of them. We're good to go, and you come and you cover a completely different base of people.

You get a different group of people in to see this movie, and it weirdly went not as noticed as I thought it would, because again, I think if they had thrown them into the movie, which I think they should have and could have somewhere in the NFL experience, Dolly Parton wrote a song for this movie, right, that's my point, Like, it's kind of weird, Dolly, I'm sorry, not Dolly Parton. She sings the song Diane Warren, who, again, if you know anything about popular music, Diane Warren is maybe the greatest modern singer songwriter in terms of just sheer number of hits, twenty OSCAR nominations. At this point, without a win, without a win, I just let's complain about Leonardo DiCaprio for five minutes.

It doesn't matter because they're not actors, all right, got it? Oh? Understood? Five? So there is a song Gonna Be You, which I think is not a great title, but Gonna be You, written by Diane Warren, performed by Dolly Parton, Belinda Carlisle, Cindy Lauper, Gloria Estevan and Debbie Harry.

So I do think if you had had them performing that song at the party or at the NFL experience, or even just walking by and doing some goofy thing with them, you would have been golden. But you may not be able to get Dolly Parton for cameo like that without giving her, you know, a wheelbarrow. I don't know if someone who has an entire theme park named after them needs said wheelbarrow anything. I don't say she needs it. But what is interesting, and I think this is interesting particularly for actresses who who have come up through the business over the last five decades, six decades, whatever it's been.

More you get it because because a guy would, it's like forget, whether you need it or not, you get it so that you push that bar up a little higher for the women who are are getting paid less than the men just ninety nine times across the board. It's true. Yeah, So I think, and I think particularly with Dolly Parton, who is so business savvy, and you know, it's like, no, if you're getting me, you're paying for Dolly Parton, and Dolly Parton does not come cheap. Dolly Parton leave. Then she'll give away and do you know, invest in all sorts of amazing things, from COVID vaccines to children's books, to books for every child in America.

But you're gonna, I think you got to. You gotta pay these women, you know what they're worth. I love that Dolly Parton refuses to be seen not done up. That right there from is like fuck yeah. But it's also like a sad kind of condemnation of the industry as a whole.

But at the same time you have to understand why, and I totally do, but well, you know that does that doesn't mean that she's not out in a while without the big wig and anything. But it's a way for her to maybe it's just a way for her to have a semblance of an anonymity and she's chill. She opens her mouth, of course, and then it's like Parton, Yeah, yeah, you kind of look like Dolly Parton. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, right, it's interesting, Like I I think it's so like because you know, I watched that Dolly Parton documentary and you're like, you don't know.

You learn facts about Dolly Parton, but you don't learn more. You're like, we're going to find out the real Dolly Parton. I don't think anybody feel that none of us are paying enough to get that so because I think that that is her shield, her, her her Captain America suit. It's a character, is her, is who she presents, and we none of us deserve to get that for I guess her husband, and our world doesn't. Our world doesn't deserve someone like Dolly Pardon any more than it deserves Guy Fieri.

For that matter. I love Guy Fieri. I think he's fantastic in this movie, and he is an awesome human being. He puts his money where his mouth is in regards to being a philanthropist, and I always love seeing him in things because I think while he is the butt of many a Flavor Town inspired joke, if you do any more than five minutes of research about Guy Fiery, you'll find out that he is a genuinely upstanding human being and I love seeing him in things. Yeah, I honestly I don't know that much about him because I tend not to.

I don't really follow the food chef. Sure, I mean I'm aware of him, but I really didn't. I don't know anything about him, but that's good to know. I will definitely be doing some looking into to him after we're done here. He was one of the few people that put together a COVID fund for out of work people who were working in the restaurant industry during the pandemic.

He was the one who mobilized a huge ground swell of that And that was just one of the many things that Guy Fiery has done to the point where I mean, again, if you think about what Guy Fiery does for a living, he goes to restaurants that people were probably not going to go to the way that they go to them now if not for diners, drive ins, and dives. And I mean that show is literally just free advertising. That's all it is. I cannot applaud somewhat enough for going, Hey, these mom and pop places that people are going to but not in droves. They need more business.

And I you know, again, as altruistic as it is with his pile of money that he has, I'm sure, but I like seeing him in things playing I mean, he's not going to play a character because he, like Dolly Parton, he is a character, So he's just playing himself. Yeah, and again I thought all of the you know, Sarah Gilbert is playing Lily Tomlin's daughter, right, which you know, it's weird because it feels like they were very much thinking of the eighties. Oh yeah, totally. Who can we cast oh Rosanne's daughter? Um uh, you know, like, I think they were very mindful when they were casting this and clearly getting people to do songs for this.

I just I wish they had sort of leaned into it even more. I wanted more songs from Belinda Carlisle, I want and Dolly Parton, but I would Yeah, now they think about it the NFL experience, they should have had a stage and every time they walked through there there's a different band playing, different group of women on stage playing a song or something. Right, opportunity they were at a party where they could have had live music, I mean instead of I mean again, you have Lily Tomlin and Sally Field dancing together, which I didn't not appreciate. But there's an opportunity to Dolly Parton show up and do her thing, I mean and again like it would not it would be perfectly believable, not just in the life of the movie, which has fantastical elements, in it, but particularly in the life of We're at a party before the Super Bowl where the NFL football players are.

Of course, Dolly Parton's going to do a song at that party. Of course, you know, you know, Diane Warren is going to introduce it. Like I just I kind of wanted the entire party to be filled with people that if you were like an eighties person or loved those women, or even loved eighties football, I don't know, you were like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. But I guess they did have a lot going on. You know.

It was kind of surprising that they have Harry Hamlin playing a former football player, and they could have just gotten a former football players. Like but again, Harry Hamlin, you know you can make sense, it makes it. He did, he did fine, he did good. You know I did. It was lovely.

That was a lovely little, you know moment for Jane Fonda. I think if you were going to have to act opposite Jane Fonda, you're gonna have to be a hell of a good actor football player. Yeah, and also bought balabands in the movie for like in another movie, almost essentially like I do him and do him and Sally is it? No, Lily Tomlin? Who is?

Who is he? Did they share a scene together at any point? I think so, as she's she's getting packed for the trip, I think, yeah, that's it. Otherwise it's like I'm calling in from a set somewhere. That was such an interesting thing.

It was such an interesting thing because it did have a you know a little bit of an arc to that character. Um, but it was it was I don't know, it was a very uh it was almost like it was in a different movie. Even the arc. It was almost like from a different movie. This movie didn't need it.

I think it is the issue, Well, they had to give each of them a life, yes, outside of the friendship, I think, and everybody else had their thing, um and I did they well because like Sarah Gilbert for for Yeah, but I mean like day though, if they just had them going diagnosis and doing more stuff together, I mean, I think it detracts from the four of them together. Is more kind of the issue I feel like for stuff like that that is all artifacts from the original screenplay, which I imagine would have made more sense on the page right and was building character on the page and story on the page that ultimately was like, yeah, but we need the NFL experience. Okay, just cut that scene and we're going to cut it down to one, you know, phone call and instead we're gonna do you know, uh, Sally Field eating hot wings uh and so like, because we need that time and we need that.

So you just I think as this movie gets developed, and the logistics of this movie, and the logistics of how how long can we have Tom Brady? How long can we have Rita Marino? How long? Because we're a Rino's working nine to five every day. She's ninety, but she is in everything she is, you know.

But so I think I think it just I feel like in movies now, I'm often like, Okay, how did this get developed? What is the story? Where is the story start to bring I'm just constantly watching movies now in a kind of a different way even than I did when I was studying film or starting out, because I'm also working from producers standpoint. Like when I started out, I just was looking at it from a writer standpoint, director standpoint maybe, But now I'm like, oh yeah, that probably that probably was a more interesting and made more sense that relationship. What it meant to the movie all that stuff, and it had to go because we had to do you know, we had to we had to blossom other things, so something had to get cut.

It does it just doing that change your ability to enjoy what you're watching as your brain is kind of trying to fill in these blanks or put the puzzle pieces together, and or is it something you think about after the movies over as opposed to while it's happening. It's weird that sometimes like a little bit of an out of body experience, like it's a little bit like it's there. It doesn't typically just detract if I'm not enjoying the movie. It actually, you know, sort of comes more to the forefront because then then it's more fun to be like, Okay, where did they go wrong? What is pissing me off about this movie?

Why is it happening? No? Um, But I think with movies it's kind of second nature now, Like it's just it's sort of like if you can, if you can hear you know, voices or get you know, other dimensions. You know, at a certain point you learn to kind of you hear it, but you don't necessarily you don't. You don't always tune into it um and it depends on the movie.

If I'm like, if I'm really enjoying the movie and it's surprising me. Sometimes that stops. With regard to this, to Sally Field's character in her and the character of her husband, I felt like the times we stab or they were having conversations together, it was like a different movie. It was a totally different movie. They taught you.

Ever, her friends talk to her, talked about her being this math genius, and then she's she's talking to her husband and she's instead of doing her own things, she's trying to get him. She's more of a help to him as opposed to someone who's able to do something on her own. I don't know. It was just it just was it felt like that's what they were doing. That there was that Sally Field, who had this amazing, you know, sort of mathematical professor career, was now in kind of retirement basically just become a helpmate to her husband, who clearly also a professor but ultimately was being kind of shepherded in the end of his career by her, and which I don't doubt is a story that happens to a lot of yeah, professional women.

I think there's a whole glenk Closet movie where she's like written all the books and he's good. Yeah. So but it was a different movie. And so that like when you think about BookSmart and the writer of BookSmart, there's a different movie that a screenplay. Like, to me, there was a screenplay that was developed that was way more road How do we get from that?

Their drive to Houston, right, they don't get off by a fly that they're driving to Houston in the first half of the movie is they're trying to get to the super Bowl and all the Lily Tomlin calls are happening in that early part because they kind of got like where where it's clear she's sort of running away from her potential cancer diagnosis, and so I think like that's where I'm like, oh, there was a movie. I feel like there's a version of the screenplay that was written first, maybe even before Tom Brady. I mean, I don't know, this may have been developed just for him, but there may have been a version of like those ladies going to see the super Bowl because they're big Brady fans, but they in the real life they didn't meet Tom Brady at the Super Bowl.

They didn't bring football players. They didn't they didn't meet him eventually through the magic of technology. But I think the there's a version, there's a screenplay potentially, there's a screenplay that happened before this screenplay that got shot that was way more subtle, way more kind of you know, Golden Girls meets The Hangover and less NFL football and more personal character stories. I've completely maybe lying, and it may have been Tom Brady going, could you be a little more scene where I'm really really sensitive, Well, you don't have Bob Balaban in your movie and make himself assured. I mean, that's just not something you do with an actor like Pop Balivan.

I think what's interesting is if you you know again, because we mentioned the Hangover, if you think about it in terms of the Hangover, I think in The Hangover, it takes like fifteen minutes to get to Las Vegas, and this movie it takes half an hour to get to effectively where the rest of the movie is. And I think what they could have done is just streamline the first third of the movie. There's all this other story going on. That's why I think there was and it's like there's like there's like is Rita Marina in she has a house but she's staying living in a senior place because her husband, I guess, had needed to be there. But then she's meeting this other guy, and you clearly, like clearly there was stories built, right, That's what I'm saying.

It was there was a version of this movie that was about the women and their story before that that may again have taken twenty pages, but gave you a lot more of here's my story, here's my story, here's my story, here's my story, and we all need this. So Lily Tomlin's going to make it happen so they can all run away from their stories and have this one last adventure together. And so that that feels like the root that started this vine that became this other thing, which is you know, is how movies get developed, particularly movies this big and this involved of many large, large, large personalities and giant expectations. So I but I like the Book Smart. I love Book Smart.

And it's it's a it's a character movie. It is a movie of character and little adventures that are life changing, right, Um, And so that and and about friendship and and things like that and desire, but I don't know, so I just like in my dream, I can, you know, have all these other movies exist too as well as this one, which I perfectly enjoyed well. And I think, you know again, like I think it would have benefited from a little bit more time, because, like you mentioned, Sharon and Susan, like the four of them on screen is when the movie is really firing on all cylinders and there's not enough of it. And if there had been less Rob Cordry and Harry Hamlin and Bob Balaban, like I would have been fine.

It's not that I don't care about their characters, but their character motivations aren't I mean, they're not. They're clearly not the point that this movie is trying to tell. And the movie does feel at odds with itself sometimes because the stuff that's funny and entertaining is better than the moments that are trying to be character development, outside of the moment that Lily Tomlin has with Tom Brady at the end, which is a nice moment. But here's the interesting thing. In the hangover, all of those guys have stories back home, right, and we get as much of those stories in the Hangover.

And that's because you can cast a woman to do this much in a movie. But if you're going to cast Harry Hamlin and those other actors, you got to give them this much of a movie. Oh that's a good point. You've got to give them something to do because they won't do it. Otherwise, I wouldn't say no to like five minutes on screen and then fucking back off to my trailer to craft service.

Ask me in this movie, I'll go stand around for two minutes to say hi to Jane Fond and then sit and craft service. Why would anyone care? Like you know, that's just that's so non actory, but like, why the hell would anybody care? But they do because right, and it's it's and it's true. But because I've been in that situation developing projects and you're life.

But yeah, there's not enough for the guy to do. And I'm like, because he's the romantic interest and he's just gonna stand there and look pretty like or whatever. Like you're like because you're and it's it gets brought up more than you think. Well, I need something for my character to do, and I'm like, you're in supportive her like and but that's not enough. You can't ever say that.

Why even give them romantic leads? As my point, like that is such an old way of telling the story, I know, but like to put but I think like to I think it's more important to go further and break those storytelling conventions completely and not feel like Brady in any And No, I'm just saying in anything, we should because I think to constantly feel like we need to insert a love interest into a narrative just because that's the expectation doesn't feel any better. Again, I don't feel like this. I mean, the love interest stuff is pretty slim and it will takes some time. One is an established you know, like, but I think it's you you want to differentiate your characters.

Right, So, Sally Field is still married. They have a a a marriage that clearly has settled into something that is less comfortable for Sally Field than it is for her husband. Uh you know. Uh. Jane Fonda is a butterfly who's flying from relationship to relationship and can never find love.

But she's writing about romance and love and sexy novels of football players. Right, and Lily Tomlin was married. Her husband has now died. Or divorced, and she's so she's she's you know, kind of alone and faced, and her friends helped her face her first bout with cancer, and now she's worried there's another bout of cancer in front of her. And then Rita Moreno definitely hers is widowed, and I think the story was lived in the assisted living home with her husband who needed assist in living, but she doesn't.

And now she's either going to move back home to their home or uh stay because there potentially is a guy who's interested in her or something. I don't know quite quite where that story is going or not going. But you're differentiating those women by giving them different romantic or non romantic involvements. I just feel like you don't need to differentiate four big personalities. That hard, is my point, Like you know what I mean, Like Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda and Rita Moreno and Selly Field are big personalities, like absolutely, but they have they have to have characters that have lives beyond the friendship, right, So and what are those lives?

Yeah? They all are? They all single? Are they all together? If they're all the same, that's not interesting, right?

But I feel like those stories really got kind of dropped in and fits and starts, and so they what's left in the movie is a little confusing, and yet they still spend enough time on it to make you go what it does take a minute for the movie to start, And I think it's because they're packing and they're doing this stuff and you're like, oh wait, but they're just going on to a plane. Like for the longest time it felt like they were about to go on a road trip because they were spending so much time picking people up. And then they're just going the airport. You're like, what, it's fair. So but they were delightful.

Can we just talk about Rita Moreno, who is ninety and is working so much and is like I want to work more Why aren't people casting me? And I and uh yeah, And she's just phenomenal, just phenomenal. She's she's great, and she's in she's she's going to be in the new Fast and Furious movie. She is Yeah, I'm probably more than likely playing Vin Diesel's mom. I'm assuming, so, yeah, she is ninety, but yeah, but then Vin Diesel's not so uh you know, woll not so young anymore?

Um, yeah, And I love Sally Field. I'm telling you, I am. I would watch Sally Field do anything, Yes, anything, She's fantastic. I like. I like her a lot.

I mean I never I never think she's got enough to do. I don't think she has enough to do in this movie because because I feel like that story with her has been kind of just doesn't go anywhere. Really, I mean, it has an it has something. I mean they're clearly doing a little bit of an arc, but it's not as satisfying. Uh yeah.

However, because and for whatever reasons, but it's mostly for me, because I'm like, I just want Sally Field to have stuff to do. I want her to be just like because she's I just She's always been one of my actresses that I would watch kind of do anything. I'm with you. I'm with you one percent. I like her a lot, so Sharon.

Final thoughts on eighty for Brady, It's a lovely movie where we had a chance to watch some of my favorite eighties ladies, sits actresses have a chance to get out in front of the camera and give us all a good time. I'm very glad I saw it again. If not for Susan, I would not have, so, thank you, Susan. So I think it's something that just about anybody could enjoy, football fan or not, because the football is really kind of incidental. It's just sort of the it's you know, the thing that brings them all together.

But it's really about these these women and their friendship at the end of the day. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm right there too. I think it's just a perfectly lovely you know, let's go back to the movies and watch it. Just an enjoyable, delightful movie.

And even if if you're not a Brady fan, I think it's it's there's enough goodwill by the time he shows up and has his things. But also it's also a great I actually love the football more than I expected to. I loved watching that game, and that game is heartbreaking because I'm a Falcons fan. So um yeah, so I just love it. But I want those women doing other stuff.

I want to see them. And I would also check out the one day that Rita Marina was in the reboot of One Day at a Time and quite delightful in that too. So and as the resident Brady fan, yes, I would suggest anybody who's into Tom Brady checked the movie out. But also I think there's a lot. I think the Tom Brady stuff is almost incidental in a way, like, yes, tom Brady's in the movie, Yes he produced it, Yes it's eighty for Brady, but he is an extended cameo in the movie.

And so that's not going to get you through an hour and a half long movie. What is are the four leads who are so good that again, give them a hangover movie. Don't do this halfway stuff. Give them something that will be more to their strengths, even allow them to be funny ear than they are here, which is already pretty funny. So I would be on board with seeing another movie with the four of them, or five, or whatever the kind of configuration is.

But like you mentioned, Susan, we're getting another Lily Tomlin and Jane fun the movie literally here in like a couple of weeks. So I can't wait. I'm in Moving on, and on that note, we shall plug the upcoming four episodes that we have done, either all of us together or separately. Susan and Sharon and I will be talking about nine to five coming up here pretty quick. And then Susan, You and I and Richard are gonna be talking about the China Syndrome, a Jane Fonda movie.

Then you and I Susan are talking about all of us, and then we're rounding it out with Susan and I are going to be talking a little bit about the best little Hoorehouse in Texas. Because Susan and Sharon on ades TV Ladies are covering nine to five, the TV show starring Ridam Rhino. Yeah, of all people, produced by Jane Fonda, by Jane Fonda, from a movie that Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin were in with Dolly Parton, who made a song for this movie. It all comes back to nine to five. It's like so many, like it's so many ben diagrams of eighties and ladies and h and culture cast and eighties TV ladies.

So yeah, So until then, where can people find you and Sharon Susan or where can people find y'all? Whoever wants to cancer Eighties TV Ladies dot com, eight zero, st V, L A, D I E S dot com. You can find me on Twitter in the last branch at Susan Lambert, and you can find us on all the social media's Eighties TV Ladies um and Sharon Um. I you can find me on Twitter at s J eight zero s tvlum which basically is my initials Eighties TV Ladies or Eighties tvlum so, as well as through our through our website and social media on for our our podcast of course, on all the podcast platforms Eighties TV Ladies and yeah, I was gonna say, you can find me at weirding Way Media, where you can also find Eighties TV Ladies.

Let's just plug it one more time in case everybody didn't so many ben diagrams, but that's where you can find my show, their show, and all the shows that you should be listening to over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. As for this show, culturecast dot com, Patreon dot com. You've heard it before, I'll say it again. If you don't want to donate, cool just like rate and review wherever you get the show, more than likely iTunes. So uh, Sharon and Susan, thank you both so much for joining me.

This was fun. I had no interest in seeing this movie or even realizing that it existed until Susan brought it up. So now here we are. So it's fun how that works out that way, It really is great. And I just want to make sure everybody knows that you will be coming on to talk about nine to five TV show.

So that's there's a lot of fun. Then Diagram happening five four or five episodes coming up in the future, so you know where to find them. And Susan and Sharon, thank you both so much for joining me, and we'll catch on the next episode. Personal