Episode 12: The Prisoner (1967) Episodes 2-3

Hi there. I'm Chris Dash and I'm Jess by Are you're the host of the One Season Show, a podcast where we take a look at TV shows who only lasted one season from start to finish. Each month we taggle several episodes of the show, and on this episode we are going to be talking about the next two episodes in our chosen order of nineteen sixty seven sixty eight The Prisoner. As Jess mentioned, it is a order that is the six of one order from their website, which is a fan website Dedica hated to this show. So we are not watching episode to two and three.

We're actually watching We are watching episode two and three. But the episodes that are in two and three spot are Free for All and Dance of the Dead. So Free for All is directed by Don Chaffee. It's written by Patrick McGoohan under a pen name which is hilarious Patty Fitz. And the guest stars of the episode are Eric Portman as Number two.

We're gonna be talking about a lot of new number twos on every episode, I can guarantee that. And John Kazabon as the Man in the Cave. Yeah, what specifically I was wondering this when when I was watching these episodes and just my my past experience name only Doctor Who. What is it with British television shows and recasting main characters constantly? I know that I don't like it, I do you know, I think that it does keep the show fresh.

It keeps this show fresh. It you know, it's with Doctor Who, it actually makes sense as to why it happens, and again just kind of keeps it writing James Bond, well, yeah, James Bond, which, by the way, Riot James Bond has never even addressed the recasting, at least Doctor Who has. Now, I mean, there's that fan theory that double O seven is actually like a it's like a like a call sign or like a name versus like you know, than an actual like a person. James Bond seven is like a it's like the it's like the name that you take when you become that agent. Right, You've shed your previous identity and you are now James Bond seven.

I can get that. I can see that, and I mean, honestly, with this show, given that the show is also spy stuff, I can see that being sort of the number two thing as well, where it's very much wherever. It's very clearly not the same person. It's just a you know, a position of authority that they hold, and you are number two. I don't know that they have actually explored or if they will explore, how the numbers are assigned.

I have I have a theory as to the number one thing, and I'm pretty sure I'm right. And this is not me looking into it, but I'm pretty sure number six is number one, six of one. And yeah, that that kind of because they keep going like who is number one, and they keep going, you are number six, and I'm pretty sure it's you are number six. I could see. That's very Britishy of them, But I mean, and that makes sense, and honestly, like the whole six of one idea, which we explore in this this first episode, we're going to be talking about free for all where number six is running for office of number two, which I guess is a thing they do, and good god, I guess we just can't escape elections.

But yeah, I can see that, and I can also because I know, you know, obviously there's some controversy. Oh and I did need to amend from our previous episode. I had previously said that this show was not prematurely canceled because I thought that it was just a want, just a show that was meant to be one season. But I was wrong. Actually, the show was canceled with a week's notice, I believe.

So basically they let Patrick Magowan know what was going on, and he had like a week or so to write the last episode and so get there we are. Yeah, I can see that. I don't necessarily think that that would make like the show bad for me. I can see why people would be upset if that's what ends up happening, But I don't know that it kind of and maybe it's just in hindsight. It's it's all of the thing, you know, it's just pop culture and many shows that I have watched and movies that I have watched.

Obviously, we talked about how this show is often pointed to as a huge influence on pop culture as we you know, as we view it. So I can see that happening, and I could be okay with that happening, And yeah, all the emphasis of six of one given the episode we're about to talk about the fact that we are following the episode order that is titled the six of one preferred viewing order. Um yeah, so I'm curious, you know, getting back to kind of the episode, what did you think of this episode where Number six runs through the office of Number two. Um, so, on the two episodes that we watched for this this time around, this is my least favorite. I wasn't a huge fan of this, although I do think that it's kind of it's pretty hilarious.

I don't know. This episode had me chuckling quite a bit. A bit. There's a moment where Patrick mcgoughan is talking to Number two, who is Who's Who's number two? In this Eric Cortman yes, which I actually liked that performance.

I liked his rendition of number two. And so there's a moment where they're talking and number two asks him if he's going to run, meaning are you going to run for the office? But Patrick mccoughen answers it any chance I get which kind of I don't know. It's was hilarious to me because again, this episode kind of plays of the fact, and it kind of does lend to your theory Chris, that he's part of him is so focused on figuring out why he's there and trying to escape and getting out. But the other half of him is so like into what's going on, Like he's participating in a local election, He's, you know, participating in the town.

He holds some authority in the town now and I know, Chris off Mike, we kind of discuss that in these two episodes. There's really no linear story happening, I guess, and I think other than the fact that Patrick mcgoughan number six, is just constantly trying to figure out why he's there and what's going on, that's basically the same thing every episode. There's no true true storyline. I don't think, at least not that has to itself yet. Isn't that fun?

Considering how they make a big deal of watching these episodes in a specific order, well and see, And that's what I'm kind of like, don't You've mentioned of Mike that like you didn't really know what the fuck was going on in these episodes, And I can definitely agree with that sentiment because it does kind of just feel like we're jumping in um to something that's already been established. And part of that is obviously because we're watching it in a specific order that was designated by a group of people. Um, I also don't know, like, did did Patrick McGoohan himself say that the way that you know they were aired was not how they were meant to be watched? Or was this decision made up by you know, the people who have watched it and have collectively just it just kind of snowballed from there.

I'm not sure. And I do yeah that this this show, I think is going to be a lot less about story and more about themes of you know, themes of duality and themes of Part of what I did like about this episode episode is I do think Free for All is pretty relevant. I think that that, you know, it's about this. He's ostensibly running for this local election where he would be number two so that he can find out what exactly is going on, and you know, if he can be number two, then maybe he can meet number one. And it just cracks that he thinks that by getting elected to a position, he's going to somehow figure out the big secret, like have you not has it not been established already that you are never going to figure this out?

Right? But I think that that just adds to that just plays to his character and what I think makes this relevant to me personally, is that right now? You know, given the times that we are living in right now, in you know America and general really Western civilization, we're constantly told that, you know, if you if you're educated and you work your way up and you get into these places of you know, these positions of power, and you know, you work really hard, you're going to know, you're going to be able to figure your life out. You're going to have some stability, you're going to you know, make it through. And when we find out that the light ladder is virtually never ending and you just keep climbing and climbing and climbing and you're never really going to hit that ideal.

I think that that theme really like resonates throughout this episode where number two or number six is you know, the whole saying six of one, what is it? Six of one? And half does in the other? Hack does in the other. Essentially it just means like it's the same thing on both sides, you know, to put it in more you know, modern terms, welcome, you know, say I to the new boss, same as the old boss.

The status quo is the status quo, right, yeah, there's nothing and no matter how much you try and push, and you know, whatever, you probably aren't going to figure it out. But I think that in this character, and you know how we is as citizens and people feel even if we do feel that it's hopeless and stupid and to no end that you know, you keep pushing and you know, potentially hurting yourself for potentially putting yourself in positions that you know aren't particularly stable. It's still your personal quest to figure out the truth and to figure out what's right. And I think that that's just how we are with with Number six. You know, he's determined and plus he's also a spy, and I think that a lot of this, you know, jabs at his ego a lot.

The whole the first episode is he's he's been tricked, He's been tricked and taken to this place and he's like the super awesome spot, and I think that that just kind of superseds the knowingness of being stuck there in this loop and it just forces him or keeps that drive going. But for the most part, this episode is relatively a mess. Yeah, it's just the thing I'm starting to notice having jumped ahead watching the show. And obviously when we get to those episodes, we'll talk about them. But I've noticed that a lot of these episodes just have a good idea set up and then they don't understand how to follow through.

And I think, and this, you know, I'm curious where you come down on this. I think it may have benefited from being half an hour show as opposed to an hour long show, because it seems like there's parts of the episode where it just meanders and is trying to fill time. And look, I like looking at Portmei or North Wales as much as the next person. I appreciate the imagery of the show, but at the same time, that's that cannot suffice alone for this show to be interesting, right, And I mean I would I could see it maybe being like a forty five minute show, like I think maybe a thirty minute shows a little too just not enough. But I do agree that maybe an hour is a bit much, because I will agree that there are shots, you know, scenes that just kind of meander.

And also this show is very weird, weirdly edited at times, just have they cut to things and in between things, and I think that part of that is just for me, on the technical standpoint, it looks sometimes that like that you're cutting in between shots that they went and filled in later and I and that just like, yeah, that that just kind of like throws me and kind of does take move the pacing. I don't know, Mike, the pacing more noticeable, I guess. And I think, honestly, what we're going to end up with this show is it's going to be one of those shows or movies that probably lands more on art piece rather than story, like art piece with themes rather than story and driven narrative. But we shall see.

But I would think that like a t a tad shorter of episodes would be a good idea. And the other thing also is and we ran into this with Colcheck the Nightstalker on our Colcheck the night Stalker podcast, and if you're into that show, by all means, go and check that out. The thing we ran into with that is something I think that you kind of already touched on it here. This show may end up being a show whose influences felt more than the show actually succeeded as a show. You know, I mean, like we said, you know, there's a lot of interesting ideas that the show at a base level is talking about there's a lot of interesting like visuals and things that are copped by other stuff.

Even as far as I know that JJ Abrams and Damon Lindeloff's said that the Rover the giant weatherblo inspired the smoke Monster from Lost, right, you know, there's a lot of things that that took inspiration from this show. It's just kind of right now after these this episode, I'm struggling already to go, why is this the second episode that we're watching right right? And like I didn't want to be in this position already, and like you know, obviously having watched ahead, that's that's kind of already jading me a little bit. But with this first, you know, this first actual episode of our show talking about the show, pass the pilot, um, this episode is a real mess. You know.

Again, interesting idea is, but ideas only go so far, similarly to visual and I think that, like, especially from this time, like and and I try to view things within that prism of time as well. And when like you said, there's a lot of this you know that influenced other shows and movies that may he did these things better, and I think that that's just sort of what happens when you watch things particularly from this time like late sixties, early seventies, where everything is starting to change, Like, you know, the formats of television and film are changing, these stories are changing, the more serious themes. You know, we're we're going from like television shows like Bewitched and I Love Lucy and all these differently you know, like Dating Game and all of these different very bite size, very you know, surface level things, and we're going straight, you know, we're developing straight into more complex ideas and narratives.

And I think that this this show does fail in the narrative structure definitely. So far anyway that I've seen, I have not watched ahead. I've just watched the episode so far that we've been talking about. But I think, you know, it's it's fun for me to look and see how, you know, things have been expanded upon and synthesized and just just re repackaged, and to see how those things sometimes work better than the original source material. Is is kind of fun for me, um, just because it's it makes me because as a as a genre fan, as I you know, I've watched a lot of really you know, not great movies and not great TV, but those nuggets of goodness and interesting pieces and concepts within those nets.

You know, quote unquote bad narratives or or whatever you want to call them, are often more things for me. Unfocused narratives here, they're often worth it for me. They're often like that's often even if the whole journey wasn't fantastic, I still enjoyed watching it. I mean, it's how I still you know, We're Wolf. Werewolf wasn't a great show, but it has some some you know, I enjoyed it for what it was.

Yeah, I'm same with Kitchen Confidential. I mean, I stick around with that show and I've rewatched it so many times because of the performances. I mean, like, look, I really like Patrick McGowan in this show. Like, I really like his performance in this show. We talked a little bit about James Bond, So Patrick McGowan was offered the role of James Bond at one point.

Yeah, he turned it down. Do you want to know why to do this show? No, it is it is. It is such a stodgy reason that it honestly makes me wonder. How Like, I don't know how much fun patrick McGowan was to be around, Probably not very much.

Yeah, so he turned it down because he felt the role was too promiscuous. Yeah that sounds about right. Oh oh my god, he has sex with multiple women see it and you can imagine him saying that in all seriousness. Yea, Albert Broccoli just going okay, whatever, never mind. Like I like, you know, I like Patrick McGowan, but he's actually he's not my favorite part of this show.

I think my favorite. And this kind of comes down to just what your tastes are and what stuff you know that that tickles your fancy. I like a lot of weird imagery. I like all this British stuff. I like all these just I enjoy the world that I'm in, so I don't mind so much the lack of story.

But what takes me out of the world often is Patrick McGoohan and his fucking faces that he makes this whole fucking show he doesn't there are There is part of me that feels like, while he is a creator on the show and he wrote this episode, there is part of me that feels like he doesn't want to be there, right, Yeah, Well I get yeah, I get mixed feelings from it, because on one hand, like he seemed like he's kind of a goofy tongue and cheap guy given this performance and the I mean, I can't, I can't do justice explaining his faces. Honestly, I hope there's a compilation on YouTube, and if they're just not, maybe I'll should. But I just like if you can go online if you haven't watched the show, which is on Amazon Prime, so if you have that, you can definitely watch it right now.

Just turn on five minutes of any episode. Really, it doesn't matter, you won't. This plot won't be spoiled for you, and watch Patrick McGowan because it's pretty much every four see every four shots he's just making some kind of he's either leering or trying to have some kind of smoldery gaze, and it just looks goofy, Like it looks like he knows he's being that. It doesn't you know that it's not coming off as love as it's not a promiscuous moment. Yeah, I don't care, doesn't make sense.

Yeah that you say that, like, yeah, that makes me sound like he's some stagy old man. And then you watch this and he kind of seems like he would be goofy. But then yeah, you kind of get that. He does kind of feel like he is just number six, or he's just like why am I here? Yeah, this world is too fun and weird for me.

I need to leave here. I need to go back to my brown and tan colored world. No. Yeah, when I when I read that, I actually read that last night when I was because I've been rewatching the James Bond films and I think the thing that always interests me more about James Bond is not who played James Bond, but who didn't play James Bond, right, And I was like looking at the on Wikipedia, they have like a list of people who were considered, and then they have a list of people who were offered and turned down. And when I saw Patrick McGowan's name on that list, all I could think to myself was when it said too promiscuous, I just thought, yeah, that that that sounds about right, Like that that tracks one because boy, he just he seems like his he seems like he is his character.

Yeah in general, Yeah, I haven't had a chance to track the documentary down. Maybe Patrick McGowan was a lovely, wonderful man who could take a joke, but like, dude, even those early James Bond movies weren't that promiscuous anyway, No, they were all it's all just like tongue in cheek stuff at that point. I mean, I guess, yeah, that was that was pretty Pussy Galaura, Right, Pussy Gala wasn't like the first two James. Well, then see maybe it was. How do you Patrick McGowan looked upward approximately one James Bond movie saw that there was a character named Pussy Glaura and what absolutely not.

I can't believe they're using the name pussy as a name. God, whatever, whatever, Patrick mcgu Yeah, so it's fine. So free for All is essentially he runs for election, he wins, and then at the end of the episode, he's back to being number six and nothing's right, which I think, which is pretty much every episode, which I think makes you know, and I probably no matter what order we watched this in, I think that's just the case with all of these episodes, because like you said, Chris, I think we probably are heading in the direction of number six is number one. So it's perhaps some kind of simulation or perhaps something that you know, maybe he's failing it and he wakes up it's all for him. Yeah, where it's so he can have a constant like a constant mystery to have to solve a constant spy mission because he can never truly resign.

Yeah, I could carry it at the end of a stick, but he's never going to get the carrot. And if he got the carrot, it would turn out it was a wooden carrot anyways. Right, So let's talk about the next episode, Dance of the Dead. So Dance of the Dead was the fourth episode aired. Is a third episode we're talking about.

So it is directed by Don Chaffee, written by Anthony Skeene. Mary Morris plays Number two and Duncan McCrae plays the doctor slash Napoleon Bonaparte, and Number six comes across a dead body with a radio and he tries to use the radio to get help. How do you think that goes? Well? Doesn't work as always once again, as as if as if by magic, the radio ends up helping him very little to none at all.

Right, But I did enjoy this episode, I namely because this episode we kind of we get a character in it that is not like we finally get a character that's more on the same level as Number six is than the rest of the town. This man, Um, what was his name? Well, something done? Dutton? Yeah?

Um, were they friends previously? Did he know him? The way he reacts to him when he sees him in the episode Alan White plays Dutton. He reacts to him like he knew him right, like they were spies together or something. Yeah, exactly, Um.

And I enjoyed this where I enjoy with this episode because I get we get to see Patrick mcgoughan interact with somebody who's not of the town. Therefore, he's interacting with somebody who's not just repeating, you know, the town's mottoes and the general town rules and feeling we get We get somebody else who basically sort of tells Number six that they will eventually get whatever information they want from you. And once they do is once you know that you're either you're memory and everything has gone and you are now part of this town, or you can get terminated, presumably by Rover or someone, presumably by a man dresses Napoleon Bonaparte rank and well, because we have our various so we have a man dresses Napoleon Bonaparte.

A man dressed is I guess Julius Caesar or some kind of Roman emperor and a woman dressed as some kind of queen. And I guess they kind of all represent various past governments that rules whales at some point. Does that make sense? Yeah? So, um, And there's a lot of stuff that happens in these episodes that they just kind of say and then leave it at that, And it's like, you can't just do that.

Well, I mean, and you can't. I have, But for those of us who want more than you to just say it and leave it at that, could you could you maybe expound on it a little more? Yeah? I mean he essentially is trying to escape as he often is, and is you know, brought back as he tries to escape to see he's brought back by rover Um and has to sort of deal with this person that he knows and knows is going to be terminated soon. Um.

I guess I don't know this. I did so. I liked this episode because a we get to see that interaction with somebody not of the town, at least, you know, presumably not of the town. I also did enjoy seeing a female number two. I liked Mary Morris in this role.

I think I'm a dressed as Peter Pan for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure she was supposed to be a Peter Pan illusion. Anyway, I liked her and this episode the dance they they have, they do have an actual dance during it, and it's called the whole episode's called Dance of the Dead. And this whole sequence very much reminded me of Roger Corman's Mask of the Red Death, which I believe came out maybe the same year as the show, maybe a few years before, I can't recall exactly, but I liked the atmosphere of this. I liked the energy of this.

But yeah, I again, the story is a mess. I think it's probably more of a mess than it was in the In the previous episode, well, it's just there's like a kangaroo court and then there's like a masquerade ball and then it I don't know how you read this, but it just kind of ends. Yeah, it just it just kind of just goes boop zero. So I was like, wait, well, so episodes it ends on a cliffhanger, ostensibly because we had maybe well, yeah, because we have Patrick McGowan who finds out the orders of termination come from this random little fax machine that is apparently utilized by no One. It just sits behind a partition no One, no one, and it ends with him, I guess, being trapped kind of um and sort of ends on a on a cliffhanger and a what will happen to Number six?

What is number two doing? Because she's kind of holding you know, she and this person that she's heads fie on him are now I'll have him trapped in this room and it ends like it would be a cliffhanger, but I am ninety nine percent sure we are not going to see a continuation on that storyline. Well, so the next episode of watching is Checkmate, so we'll see if they we'll see if they come back to this this plot. But yeah, there is a lot of there is part of me that thinks that it's just gonna go. The next episode finds him just hanging out at his little house because it's just constant, constant druggings, which actually sidebar, I did watch the Simpsons send up episode for this, and it was pretty hilarious.

It's all, it's pretty great. For all the druggings, this place wouldn't be so bad. Yeah, exactly, like it's uh, it's it's pretty good. It's it's it's pretty good. I liked it.

I liked that episode of The Simpsons a lot, and it's I think it it's it gets the tone of this show completely right. But yeah, this this episode, it's it's weird because you know, the synopsis talks about finding a body and using a radio, but like, that's that's not really what happens. No, it's not. And yeah, I mean a part of me, I mean part of me thinks because we're watching this in a in a different established order that maybe I don't know it is. I guess we won't really know whether or not this makes sense.

This order makes sense until the end of it because we have nothing else to base it on. And there has to be a reason that they chow that the that the designated fan you know, club of this chose this specific order, right, And that's what I'm that's that's kind of what I said when you're talking about the last episode, Like there's got to be a reason why this isn't just random, because like you said, I mean, they went out of their way to change and suggest an order, right, So and I'm interested, you know, even if these even if the storylines in all of these episodes are really a mess. I don't know. I'm still enjoying it, and I'm still yeah right there. I'm really interested to see you know, I don't think that we're going to get a conclusion obviously that is going to be satisfactory because the show was canceled.

But I'm more so just interested to see why this order was chosen. Have we gotten a conclusion to any of these shows that we've watched so far that's satisfactory. No, because they're all canceled. Yeah, Kitchen Confidential just ended and went up. We're back together now the end, and Werewolf was like, Okaywolf was This shows a little on par structure wise as Werewolf is because it is sort of that same the same plot for every episode, and but for this sinstead of you know, Patrick mcgouan hunting scores any it's just Patrick McGowan trying to get out of this town and then getting drugged and then waking up the next day back in his house.

It could all be a dream. We're a simulation. Yeah, it's this. Look. I am thankful for current TV show narratives being what they are, because, you know, looking back at shows from the sixties, seventies, eighties, and even the nineties and two thousands, there's there's all.

You know, there are shows that kind of broke the mold. This show is probably closer to breaking the mold than others at the time. But at the same time that this show has similar problems that shows from that time period have, which is the stories that they're telling are resolved within one hour and there's no character growth right or dimensions added to the characters. I mean, we talked about that with Kitchen Confidential. I mean there was some but not much right, and then they didn't really matter.

Well if there was almost none, I would say by the end of where Wolf Eric Cord is in the same spot he was at the beginning. So you know, I it's not really a big complaint because again, you know, the way that people have been telling stories through the medium of TV has changed in the last sixty years. But this feels like such an interesting idea with such a kind of specific performance and setting that if it doesn't hit all the notes, it will feel like a missed opportunity attunity at the end of the show. And I mean my question is really is there're seventeen episodes here right now, we're in the third episode of the show. When does this get old?

Is my question? Right as you know, we talked about that with Werewolf and Kitchen Confidential. Kitchen Confidential didn't get old for me, but again, I'm kind of such a fan of the show. I not gave it a pass, but I gave it a pass. Right Werewolf got old after a while.

I am wondering if we're going to reach the same spot with this show. And I think, honestly, to answer that, answering that question is more going to fall into again, your tastes, like your specific kind of taste and how much tolerance you have for just weird for the sake of weird, or abstract for the sake of abstract. I would say that this falls more on an abstract level than quote unquote weird. Um, this isn't This isn't like a David Lynch, you don't know what's going on weird. It's it's a bit more whimsical and light than that.

Um, I think. But yeah, I think this is ultimately going to come down to your tastes and your tolerances, and if like, yeah, I'm not a huge comedy fan, especially comedy television. Um, and it takes a lot for me to want to stick with something like that. So yeah, it makes sense that for me Kitchen Confidential, I couldn't really like give it a pass because based solely on my you know, genre love there is I can definitely say that genre does you know, it can influence my tastes and the fact that the prison the prisoner hits, you know, checks a lot of boxes and my you know, particular likes for esthetic and likes for atmosphere and just general for late sixties, early seventies sort of you know, storytelling and structure.

I think that I'm probably going to overall enjoy this more than you, I would say, but we will see. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm right there with you. I mean I probably you know, I love sci fi. I mean, like I like I've said before on this show another podcast that I'm on, I grew up watching another show that's from this time period. I mean, I grew up watching Star Trek, the original series.

You know, I'm I mean, I like, I like Star Wars just okay, but I've always been much more into Star Trek and like this is sci fi, this is lighter sci fi. This isn't high concept sci fi, so it's in my wheelhouse. But again, I also have been given and I have always been given this by a lot of people, and I at one point I kind of fought it, and at this point in my life, I kind of just steer into it, like I am a harsh critic and that it's just that's who I am. I am a harsh critic to a point, like you know me, I like a lot of stuff that's considered junk media, right, But like the problem with that is I don't like when something feels like a missed opportunity. If something is just a wild, weird failure, I'd rather be a wild, weird failure than something there.

I'm just like, I really want more of this, but I want this to be better than it is, right, And here's how you could have made it better? Right? And I think that, like, especially when we talk about sci fi and this is a sci fi, it's spify. Yeah, there needs to be if you if you are if you're listening to this show and you're not hugely familiar with sci fi like pre I would say eighties, this sci fi is sci fi is more of like than like with the movies. When you think about movies and television shows that fell underneath the sci fi category, more so movies, I guess for this concept, what was more the like speculative sci fi set in the future versus you know, like the aliens and spaceship type sci fi you get it later on in the eighties, And yes, obviously Star Trek is that spaceship and aliens type sci fi.

This I think the Prisoner falls more in line with things like A Boy and his Dog or you know, like Soilent Green or Logan's Run, any of those kind of like depictions of society in the future, and just like themes of environmentalism and themes of government overbear government, and themes of everything like that versus the kind of laser blasting alien sci fi. So when you're seeking things out and you're like, oh, I want to watch a sci fi show and you maybe stumble across this podcast, just just know that if you there is that sort of and that's for me. I loved the Twilights over up. I watched it all the time, and I think that I preferred that type of sci fi where it is more that you know, speculative.

If we keep doing the things that we're doing. This is sort of what's going to happen type sci fi as opposed to just space exploration, which I love too. Don't get me wrong, I love horror sci fi. But yeah, I just this definitely sits nicely in my atmospheric, potentially boring sci fi love. Yeah, it's you know, like I said, I'm curious to see how much farther the show goes in one direction or the other.

But you know, it remains to be seen. The success level of the show so far. Yeah, I'm still on board. I'm still enjoying it. Sure, I'm right there with you.

I just I'm a little hesitant because you know, the next episode we're going to be, you know, about a third of the way will be a little under a third of the way into the show. By the end of next episode, will be five episodes in episode. So next episode we're actually gonna be talking about which two episodes, Jess, we are going to be talking about Checkmate and the Chimes of Big Ben. So on most fan lists, these episodes, these first five episodes are in some variation of an order, but these first five episodes, for the most part, are all the first five we're gonna watch right, they're just I mean, the first episode is always the same, but two through five or in some variation of an order that's similar to the one we're watching it until then.

Where can people find you, Jess, Well, you can find me on Twitter at writer Jess Byard, and you can find me twice a month on your show, Chris, the Culture Cast, where we talk about movies every month a different theme. So you can also find us, because I keep forgetting I have just there's so many podcasts now that I know you, Chris. We have our third one, Scary Stories We Tell, which is our sort of combination of true crime, unexplained phenomenon and horror culture. And our goal here is just basically perpetuating the word world of storytelling through spooky, kooky things. So you can check us out over there.

As for myself, for the things Jess didn't already mention, you can find me on Twitter, Casualty Underscore. Chris, you can find me on the Life and Times of Barney Miller podcast Chronicles from the Crypt, where we talk about tales from the Crypt and Dreams for Sale, which is a twilight Zone nineteen eighty five podcasts. As always, you can find us here at one seasonshow dot com, on all podcatchers, Android iOS, Google Music, Spotify, all the good spots check us out there. Big thanks to the music for this season, which is Mustaches and Martini's We'll catch You on the next episode.