Episode 3: Seems Like Old Times (1980)

Weirding Hello everyone, and welcome to the Chasing Chevy Chase Podcast. I am one of your hosts, Christash you, and I'm joined by my two good friends all the way from weirding Way Media's Cambridge and with Sean Mark Begley. I think the three of us make a wonderful pair, which is a quote from the movie, but also I think describes our relationship how touching and also joining us all the way from the Projection Booth podcast. Mister Mike White, I'm not outside eating chicken, that's for sure. That was my second choice.

That's my second choice. High And if you don't know what this shows about, if you can't tell from the title, we are talking about the films of Mister Chevy Chase. We've talked so far about Caddy Shack and foul Play, and now it's uh now we're gonna find out if it seems like old times with nineteen eighties Jay Sanders directed, Neil Simon written, seems like old times? Yes, this is a movie that the three of us watched and now we're gonna talk about it. Uh believe Heavenly Dog by the way, Oh my god, I'm a little I'll stand up for that movie to my dying day, I guess.

So. I don't know if you chose saw, but Cindy Morgan, who was in Caddyshack as shoot what was her name, Lacy? Underall it just passed away? Oh wow, yesterday, geez wow, sixty nine even that old no so so yeah. The depressing nature of this show aside because Nose, we're talking about how people from the seventies and eighties.

Mark, I'm gonna kick it to you first, what did you think revisiting seems like old times? Well? I wanted to say that this is another one of his that I saw in the theater, and like Caddy Shak, it came out in nineteen eighty. I don't necessarily know if I saw it when it first ran. I just know that I saw it on a visit down south to my cousin's place, and they lived in Orange County like a Newport Beach, and we all went and saw it.

That's my strong memory of the movie. It could have been, you know, second run or a year six months later, but we might have been down there for Christmas or something. That's around the time it came out, and this was one of those movies that I caught on TV or cable or rental quite a few times, but it's been at least forty years probably since I've seen it. Yeah, and so there was the overall story I kind of remembered, and as things popped up, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember all this. I remember that the opening in Carmel was always kind of a big deal for us because that's central coast California and a lot of people from the valley go there during the summer to cool off and be in a nice place.

And I was like, oh my god, I totally forgot about that. I was probably excited about that stuff when I was younger watching it, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It's kind of SITCOMI and I think that has a lot to do with the director, because this was his soul. Unless I missed something scrolling through his IMDb credits, which were quite extensive, this was his sole feature film. Everything else was TV series or TV movies.

Possible I missed something. But it has that feel every once in a while, especially with their stage set, home and backyard. But then it ventures away from that and you know when they're outside and of course they can swear and all that stuff, but that's stuff kind of bugged me. The wrong man aspect can get annoying to me, But overall I enjoyed it quite a bit. Didn't mind revisiting this one.

That the way he did that damn dog movie that I forgot about, which, speaking of the dog movie, Mike, similar question posed to you. But seems like old times. So, like we talked about on the foul Play episode, I used to get these two movies mixed up, and I have no idea why because they are so different. Yeah, I mean, I guess mark to your point as far as the whole wrong man thing, because this is a wrong man film, very hitchcock in in that way. But foul Play is total like Hitchcock White, whereas with this one it is Neil Simon is it is a like you said, a sitcom.

I think if we turned that dinner set like forty five degrees or maybe ninety degrees and we had the kitchen over on the left hand side or the right hand side, and had all of the goings on because we have all that action in the kitchen that we don't see, I mean, that's very very similar to like, well, he've been going back to Lucy. You know, Lucy had the kitchen over on the right hand side and then the living room in the middle there, and they could also dine in that area though all of that stuff. I can definitely see that. Yeah, this is a just in time for Christmas movie, as the trailer says, I'm not sure why a Christmas movie, but it probably would have been good for the whole family to see something for everybody.

And I rewatched this one, like I said, for the foul play episode, and I really enjoyed it, and I remember liking it when I was younger. I don't think I had an appreciation of Arles Groden for a long time. I used to just think he was a jerk. But then I realized that he's playing a jerk, and he plays a jerk like nobody's business. He is so great at playing a jerk, and in this one, I can see why he's angry at his wife all the time.

But also to your point, Mark and Chevy Chase taken like fifteen minutes to explain himself and especially to have a conversation with Charles Groden. I don't see this movie even existing. They could have found these other two guys. I mean, Robert Yome solves the entire case with a sentence way late. Yes exactly, but I do think, yeah, that there is a lot of TV issh to this.

But the one thing I liked was the introduction of characters through photographs. How he had the idea of or the introduction of scenes through photographs, the facts image of Chevy Chase, which is better than any facts image I've ever seen in my entire life. That being the introduction to the Charles Groden scene, and then Groden looking at the picture of Goldie Khan and that becoming the Goldie Hawn scene. I thought that was a very nice way to do it, But that's kind of the end of the cinematics stuff. After that it becomes much more TV.

How about you, Chris, what did you think of this one? So had not seen this before, So this was a first watch and I watched it three times. For the episode that we're doing right now, it I think it's for me. It suffers because foul Play is much more fun movie. I think foul Play is a much more interesting premise.

I mean, obviously, you know foul Play doesn't have Charles Groden, so this movie has that over foul play. I just what I found to be odd about this movie is you really and you you kind of already mentioned it. Both of you have like all you gotta do is tell people what's going on. That's it, Like it's it. At some point, I was just like, for fuck's sake, how much more contrived does this have to be?

And I'm not saying that I didn't enjoy the movie. I just I really have a hard time. I'm getting as contrived as the movie wants me to get because there is no universe where you if this happened to you, wouldn't just be like I'm innocent, Like I'm not going to keep running from the cops. That just makes it look like I'm more guilty than I am. And yeah, I mean it's a comedy of errors, you know in a lot of ways.

You know, chevy Chase hides under more beds in this movie than I've ever seen him hide under. But the thing I'm kind of surprised by that neither one of you guys had mentioned since we talked about it a little bit already, what is this chevy Chase pratfalls the movie Like it's oh boy, so much, to the point where I am surprised neither one of you mentioned it because we've mentioned this before, this whole Chevy definitely. Yeah, it's on my list. Yeah of complaints. Yeah, this stuntman is getting such a workout in this movie.

I mean necessarily, it's like so unneeded and it's not. None of it is funny. And I know that all of it was meant to be funny, because that is at this time in eighty that's the Chevy Chase shtick. That's the gag, but uh, it ain't fun A bank in the bank in the garage and the any room in with a limp eventually like and they're not done very well. I'm sorry, but they're not done very well and not done well at all.

And that's the and that's the thing with this movie. For me, it's like, again, if I had seen this before foul Play, I might feel differently. But I like everything more in foul Play because the characters don't feel like complete fucking morons. And here the main character of goldiehun and Chevy Chase, like she's great and he's great, and Charles Groden's great also, But Charles Gruden's character is not the idiot character. It's it's the Chevy Chase character and by extension, Goldie Hawn, because in this movie, it's like, I don't know how she doesn't know better, because it's made very clear that she does know better, which is why she's not with her husband anymore Chevy Chase.

But yeah, like halfway through the movie, you're just like, why is she even Like why is Charles Groden with this person? He would have left by now, like because and I mean, especially where the movie ends up going, Like, the movie doesn't want to take a stand on Chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn. It wants us to kind of just be like, oh, it's fine that she's with Charles Groden, but she also still feels for chevy Chase, which is fine. It's just I think for the normies out there, for a lot of people, I think her character just would come off as weird for anybody just on the face of it, given kind of where this movie goes and how this movie kind of ends. But I enjoyed it.

Like I said, I just think it feels a little derivative of something that again I enjoyed more. But I enjoyed this too. It's just I didn't enjoy it as much. Yeah, they are really going for if we were going for Hitchcock in the first one in foul Play, we are going for screwball comedy big time in here, right, I mean right, mark your line about the three of us make a good couple. So many of these Neil Simon lynes feel like they're out of a nineteen forties film, if not even nineteen thirties film.

There's a lot of like his girl fry a type patter that we haven't and here and that stuff works. That stuff lands for me almost every single time, and it made me laugh out loud quite a few times, because I do enjoy a clever turn of phrase. But at the same time, it's just like, okay, yeah, that was good, but yeah, just the overarching plot doesn't hold together, like had they up the stakes at all, Like when he has been thrown out of the car and goes to a gas station and is trying to get milk duds out of the gaining machine. It's not coming and then the gas station tenant shows up. It should have been something should have happened there in order to make it seem like he's some sort of Mad Dog Killer and like really cemented him into that role.

Instead, it's still way too easy for him to just tell the truth and explain things away. I wanted it to look like all fingers are pointing towards him and to make it really inescapable for him to get out of that situation. More forces needed to be working against him. If he the guess well him, you know, I've seen later seeing his face in the paper and going oh and then calling the cops and say he robbed me too, And right right, that trip, I mean, Big shirt La is a substantial distance, so I don't even know how he gets to Goldie Hawn's house. But walking for two days, mark, that's what he said.

Okay, you're telling me that the makers of this movie don't understand California distances. Yeah, so if a person can walk an average of four miles an hour, if he walked forty eight literal hours, I don't think he would make it there. Wow. Yeah, it would have made more sense if he'd lived in Santa Barbara. But yeah.

The fact that people have to act like idiots to make the conceit of the film work is what drives me crazy, and it's literally the base conceit of the movie. It is the singular conceit of the entire film, and it's no sense. Yeah, he's prepared to hold her up, steal the car again, and keep going. And it's like, why it's not. This is easy to clear up.

There has to be other footage of these two guys there, you know, And there was, I mean there literally was to his I mean, hell, Mickey escaped from prison and eventually like hijack's that young man I think his name was P. W. Herman and ends up getting a right from him after he breaks out of prison. So this is a known recidivist. Yes, I mentioned that.

I'm like, hey, Clil that he's in pee wee. Herman's a big adventurer, and I said he's the guy in the car and she's like, I know exactly what you're talking about. And he got the short end of the stick when it came to the longer version of Dune because I I think Jamas is almost completely cut out of the theatrical version, but for me, he'll always be a good Jamas may Thy Knife, Chip and shutter. I saw that credit and I was like, who's that. Oh yeah, yeah, he's very very cut out of that.

Eventually Paul beats Jamas, kills Jamas, and then he gets his family. He's the guy that they liquidate for his water, and then Paul is in charge of Jamas's water and also his family, his two sons and his wife. Huh dude, yes, speaking of real weird. Before we talk further about the movie, something I wanted to point out because it's been really bothering me. Ah.

The theatrical poster for this movie is, without a doubt, one of the most bizarre theatrical posters because it makes Goldie Han look like the Missus Voorhees shriveled head in Friday the thirteenth two. It's like it's weird, and like chevy Chase is like laughing as well. I don't know, Like I think, for me, what poster are you looking at? Because I see when with two of them in bed, it's the one that's the Robert Tannembaum one that has their heads on the top, and oh, I have to look for that because I'm familiar with Goldiehan in bed next to Charles Groden. There's dogs on the round and Chevy Chase is sticking out underneath the bed with his hands in his hand head.

It's a little variation of that or in bed as well with dogs Chevy. But then there's two floating heads above acidtle rectangle and Chevy is laughing like an absolute maniac and apparently, oh I see it, I see it. Nobody what Goldiehan looked like? She literally like, I don't know if anyone had ever seen Goldiehan before making this poster, But Goldiehan, then, now and forever is a gorgeous woman, and that is not Goldie. He don't have her no, wow, he don't have her nose right at all.

She looks like Diane Cannon. It's a farophy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see fair of much more. And then yeah, that look at Chevy Chase's face, Like I said, like I wanted to point that out because I didn't know if you guys had seen it, But I just kept looking at that poster and being like, if I saw this poster in the theaters and I was walking out, this is not something I would readily gravitate towards because and that's the thing, Like what I did enjoy about this movie is that it starts immediately like there's no wasted time at the beginning of the movie, But then about halfway through the movie, when Chevy Chase is hit under a bed for like the fourth time, that's kind of where I'm like, oh, it feels a little wheel spinning.

It felt like this movie's an hour and forty minutes, and I think he probably could have gotten away with like ten minutes less of just one more time hiding under the bed, like we don't need to see it another another another, another time. Yeah. Yeah, when he comes back and hides under the bed, I think one of the last times, it's so like, why did you give up your earlier plan? How did you get back here? Yeah?

Why did he come back? That was my big question? Right, I knew he was going to be under the bed, but it's like, what happened? It's like he can't. The last time we see him before that is him driving off and he can barely drive.

But and then I think we hear Roden say, oh he sold my said he sold? Was it car stereo and something else in the car? Yes? Yeah, yeah yeah. So it's like, oh, okay, so he's he's moving, so where is he going to?

And then yeah, why is he suddenly back here, and I'm always curious, like I kept looking for since this is Neil Simon, I kept seeing like was this a play at some point point? And I could not determine that it was a play at any point. It seems like this was written for this, for the screen. Yeah, that was my understanding. So a lot like Murder by Death, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, I have to say I like Murder by Death a lot more than this, and this too. Also. I didn't realize just how many times Roden and Neil Simon had worked together until I was reading a little bit of Roden's autobiography, and they got along okay, but they weren't always happy with each other. But yeah, he had been in TV. Groden had been in Uh Sorry, The Heartbreak Kid, and quite a few other both plays and movies that were based on Neil Simon's stuff.

You mentioned his ability to play the jerk, and I always think of his good Letterman appearances in that regardless. Oh yeah, his appearance in uh So I Married an Expert? Or when you're trying to have Adira's card and she's like, no, no, it's not quite as pointed in this. I think maybe it's because of your other point is that, yeah, he's sort of right to be angry with her, Oh yeah, throughout the whole movie. And I was missing that because when I saw the movie, I probably had no real clue as to who he was or that whole persona of his.

But these days I was expecting him to be a little more bited and quippy with He could have matched Chevy and repartee, you know. Yeah. And the other thing beside the Pratt falls, I think that we discuss about Chevy is the the quips, and they're like the Pratt falls. This is probably the quippiest so far of the four movies, including foul play that we've done, and that whole exchange in the in his car on the way to the bank, I really enjoyed. Actually, oh yeah, that's Chey peak Chevy Chase.

Yeah that's what I wrote down. I'm like, this is this is working for me? That works, And then I'd like this whole thing too. How we have this theme of like the bank robbers talk for Chevy at one point, you know, every time the gas station guy another station guy asks him, yeah, what are you doing and he's like, oh, I'm going to this place and they correct him, and he corrects himself, and then you get that later on where he is faking full or Goldie hawn like she's trying to give a story and he's there correcting her and getting her stuff. So I was like, that's kind of a nice little parallel there between those two scenes.

I mean, I think there's a lot of clever things in this I just don't know if it holds together one hundred percent, but I had a lot of fun going back to it anyway. Well that's the thing, Like I enjoy where this movie is going and had I had a sufficiently good enough time with it. But it is like so much of it takes place in their house that it does feel like a play. And I honestly wonder like if this had been a play, if it would have worked better, if Neil Simon would have shored up some of the stuff that wouldn't have needed to be there because it was a play and not a movie. Because the character interactions, for the most part, are solid, it's almost everything else that's going on, like all of the actual trappings of the plot seem to be at odds with how well written the dialogue is and be surprising given that it's Neil Simon.

Obviously, like you know, of people who write for theater and movies, there are people who I would There are very few people I would rather have writing something for me than like a Neil Simon, But this, I don't know. It's it suffers for me at least because again, like what they're inherently all engaged in is not that interesting. In the movie is really trying to convince us that there is a level of threat here to chevy Chase's character that we should be worried about, because, like we've already mentioned, if there's no there's not really an external threat in this movie. The bank robbers show up at the beginning, and then they show up at the end, which also feels contrived and tact on. Oh end, oh yes.

And so that's the thing. It's like, anytime the movie is doing anything with the plot, I kind of check out. But whenever it's just chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn interacting, or the few times that chevy Chase and Charles Growen interact, which is limited unfortunately, that's the parts of the movie that really work for me. But for the most part, there's just a lot of like it's just a weird movie, because I I know it's a comedy, but in a lot like, once about the first thirty minutes is over, I wasn't laughing as much as I was in the first half of the movie. The first thirty minutes of the movie, well, they missed opportunities for jokes, Like there's this whole thing of uh.

She kind of gets everything settled with Chivy Chase, He's going to stay in this extra room, and then she's like, well, I'll take care of the extra room. The next morning, she wakes up and Charles Groden is gone, and so she panics. But you have her in bed and she's like, you know, oh what's going on? You know, just very groggy and all this. She should have turned over and rather than there being no Charles Groden there that say Bernard should have been there because that would have been funnier.

And they're just like there's a lot of times where I was just like, oh, you missed an opportunity for a joke here, And I'm playing like as I'm rewriting this movie for por Nel Simon Rip, it's just like, hey, you know you've got You've got Rosita or whatever her name is. The You've got Aurora, You've got Chester, You've got all of these dogs, Like, between all of them together, you could so amp up some of this comedy in here. Instead, poor Aurora feels like she's just like other than her accent, she doesn't have a whole lot to do. I like Chester. I'm really glad that T.

K. Carter isn't in that in this and I think he does a great job. So again, I wish they could have just amped it up a little bit more. I think his scenes are my favorite, just him eating the or derves off the plate when he's serving, getting drunk, driving the car. All that stuff to me is wonderful.

I love him, you know the Chris you mentioned the external threat, and really the only threat. It's not like there's a nationwide man hunt for Chevy Chase. It doesn't even seem like there's a state white state wide man hunt. Really even recognize him, right. The only people it affects are Charles Groden and in a way Goldie Han because they're married.

But it's really his threat because he's gunning for Attorney General of the state. And so again, clear it up with him, clear it up amongst yourselves. When he shows up, Goldie Hon already knows that he's wanted he explains the story. She does explain it to him, and of course he doesn't buy it, but just bring him together to explain it. She tries to get him to do that, but he refuses.

But the whole thing with the bank robbers at the end, that courtroom scene is completely unnecessary because Robert Guiom already has the picture of them. M hm. So speaking of contrived them holding up Aurora of all people, to do this again, I guess, is just to initiate that courtroom scene of having everybody be there and the dogs and everything else that's been going on the house the whole time. It's already cleared up. Why are they even why are they even in court at that point?

How easy did Harold Gould have this role? Is? He never even leaves the courtroom. I think he was there for like three four days tops, and shot all his role right there. Yeah he's great, though, Ah, he's fantastic.

He's always good. No, I was to say, I've remembered or since it's been so long since I've seen it, I figured I knew she was a lawyer and Chovy's in trouble, and she's this lawyer with a heart of gold who hires all the people that she's representing to keep them out of trouble. You think there's actually going to be more courtroom stuff because that's her thing, and it would have been her job to clear his name. But it's just that end scene or almost und scene. Talk about the end scene at some point because it's ridiculous, Oh my god, but it should have been.

That should have been the stuff, like her battling out in court because I kept expecting him to get caught. And then Okay, now we're going to have the courtroom stuff and she's got to work to figure out who these guys are, track them down, et cetera, et cetera, and then it just all kind of dis x Macino's itself into nothingness at the end. What I was open was that all of these people that work for her, we're going to come together under her direction or something and be part of the finale of the show. Like somehow they would use the two Native American guys and they would track down the robbers and they would do something, and then Chester would do something, and then a rror would do something, and then the dogs would do something like some sort of like crazy.

I mean, if we're in screwball territory, let's just do it up. You know, we've got all of these characters. Let's give them something to do. Those poor Native American guys, they get nothing other than they they're basically recidive to this again. They rob the they steal the guy's car, and it's not from why.

From what I understand, it doesn't seem like it's a good reason. You know, they steal grown his car, and I'm like, oh, well, that's funny. And then Chevy Chase steals his car and I'm like, okay, well, give me more, like give me a third car steal. Well, I guess we do have a third car stealing, but it's a different car. So I'm like, okay, no, Like again, let's let's use the genre and really amp up all of the proceedings.

Well, and that's the thing like the for me, like earlier in twenty twenty three, for the first time, I saw What's Up, Doc, and it's like, like this movie is like a poor fac simile of that. Like there's no chase scene in this movie. But I feel like given and I mentioned this only because you just mentioned the thing about the cars being stolen. I feel like there's a version of this movie where there was a car chase, like you know what I mean, like because again, like it would make sense in this kind of movie, the kind of movie that they're making, and the other kinds of movies that have come out around this time that are doing the same thing, doing a you know, quote modern day at the time in the eighties slapstick comedy or like a farce which is exactly like What's Up?

Doc Nails that tone so much better than this movie does. I mean, it's almost unfair to compare them. But I think a lot of it just goes back to the script and like and the direction, because again the script. I what's funny for me is the script gives charge like Charles Groden nothing to do literally and it's so weird because he's third build, but it feels like a Chevy chasing Goldiehan movie with Charles grodenen and as an afterthought, which in my mind again puts me in the perspective of Neil Simon. Just it needed like one or two more passes or there's or there's a different cut of this movie, which I don't think is the case.

I think it just, you know, I just think it it needed another pass because ultimately you don't get the sense that this is as much Charles Groden's story as it is Goldiehn and Chevy Chase's story. He really feels like the third wheel when he's Goldiehn's husband, Like, like per the narrative, he shouldn't be the third wheel, but because he is, you just don't get enough Charles Groden, which is unfortunate because what he does do in this movie is pretty good for the most part. Oh yeah, well, it could very well be that all of those characters that she's helping had a bigger role, And we rewrote this to focus on Goldiehun and Chevy Chase, because I know that he rewrote it during rehearsals and daily rewrites to emphasize their strengths more so.

That's why we get the Quippie and I'm sure a lot of those quips were also ad libd, but we get the Quippi Chevy Chase stuff. We get them constantly coming together, and those minor characters get sort of shoved out of the way as the movie progresses. There's a lot more of the Native Americans up until that party, the first party, not the dinner with the governor, and the the other Hispanic girls that are helping Aurora. They're all people that she has represented. And right, I forgot about them completely, that's how much they dropped out.

Yeah, and then they just kind of when we don't need them anymore, but maybe they were needed later on, and it's just it got changed as as they were going. And let's focus on the Chevy Goldie stuff because it's they were both, you know, pretty big stars by that point. I mean, everybody knows that the real reason you watch this movie is to is to find out about one of life's true culinary masterpieces, which is chicken pepperoni. Which chicken pepperoni, yeah yeah, which is literally just chicken cooked in like red sauce, like like with pepperoni chunks in it. I had to investigate because I'm like, is that a real thing?

It's real enough. Half of the links that popped up were related back to this movie or chicken pepperoni, and I thought okay, and then there were actual recipes, but it's just like chicken parmesan with with pepperoni thrown on top, you know as the kind of internet recipes but hers, yeah, I don't know. And then he throws that ivy into it, and I'm like, do you that might not be edible or that can toxic. I wouldn't put that in the thing, but anyway, Yeah, it's I don't know, Like the chicken pepperoni thing was just in my mind. It it goes back to this movie just seems really all over the place, and that is and that's one of the like the one of the things for me that was like I don't need to keep hearing about this because like the joke, I don't know if it was ever funny in this movie, but they they run some of the jokes into the ground and they don't and like you said, Mike, they also don't do stuff with some of the some of the gags that they have set up, Like I'm surprised how little they did with the dogs, Like the dogs really don't even do anything.

And there's like seven dogs in your house at any one point, like again, another opportunity for something to be mined, and it just seems more like eh, not not really, Let's just again like it's if you wanted Chevy Chase and Goldiehan, you got it. I just you gotta give them more than nothing. And I don't know if Neil Simon really wanted to focus on anything else. But what's weird is, since you mentioned what you mentioned, Mark, if that were the case, why isn't everything between the two of them the best part of it movie? I mean, I guess it kind of is.

I asked the thing, like the what is the ultimate strength of this movie? Because for me, the strength of Foul Play was the interactions between Goldie On and Chovy Chase. But those trappings of kind of a noir movie also help in this movie. While they're fine together, every interaction that they have feels very one note, like they never feel like they're actually because by the end of the movie, I guess we're expected to believe that they could get back together. I guess, like I don't, like, I can't even really figure out what this movie wants for the characters.

And because I can't figure out what the movie wants, what Neil Simon wants, having a hard time understanding why they do the things that they do, it's just a lack of tangible character motivation. Think that was tacked on. I have to believe that was attacked on, ending because again it doesn't really make sense. Oh why that makes sense? No, it seems like the end is, you know, at the courthouse steps and Charles Groden says, okay, you can get her a kiss, and of course it goes on too long and he starts to move toward them.

Actually, Charles Groton says, I don't want you to kiss my wife. Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, And they do it anyways. I mean, like, I mean, Robert Gillolme has to like hold Charles Groden hold eating the shit out of Chevvy Chase. It's so tonally like, well then that but that whole setup of them in bed and got him Charles Groden saying, hey, let's just take a trip and let's go wherever.

Right, and again they're leaving from la in the middle of the night when it's raining and somehow get to Big surr which is like five and a half six hours on a good day drive from you used to working in the middle of the night, remember all those rabbits she was killing in the middle of the night, and ends up in his bottom, Like, what in the world is this and then that goofy smile, that freeze framed smile of hers at the end. Yeah, that's that's what they used. That's the frame they used to create those posters. Chris, I just figured it out. Oh is it?

Yeah? Got any references? I've got any reference material I can use for her face? Oh that's perfect. Yeah, she's so cute and the face that she makes is usually very cute.

But that end shot just like, she looks bad here, what's going on? It looks like it looks like a horror movie, Like it fades, it fades to blue, and she's just like looking proper rain drenched, which like, what's Yeah, it's it's such a strange. It's such a strange conceit what this movie really wants out of us, which is to believe that Goldie Hawn is really reconsidering being with Chevy Chase's character, who is by all intents and for all intents and purposes, a complete fuck up. Like we we never even get the sense that this guy, like because they talk about him being a writer over and over again. He's a writer, He's a writer, writer, writer, We get it.

He was in Mexico, and it seems like there was maybe like miscommunication and he went to Mexican jail for two years. Like, like it either this guy is the most unlucky human being on the planet or you should stay far away from him because he cultivates chaos wherever he goes. And I think it's the latter, And that's why like the ending, Like it's just it's so weird that this movie needed Charles Groden at all, because I think, like I think, by having Charles Groden it makes this movie worse because it hurts the narrative even more because there's no realistic way that Chevy Chase and Goldbihan end up together at the end of the movie. Then that the movie wants us to get there so badly that they hijack their own narrative to get us there is unnecessary to say the least that, or Charles Groden is in the car with a broken legs, what are they gonna do?

Boink for a couple hours and be like, oh shit, I forgot yes, you know if that ending reminds me of Mike. I don't know if Chris has seen this movie, but when they approach the cow in the rain at night, I'm thinking, oh, this is are we going into motel hell territory here? I kept thinking of that they're going to find Frankenstein's Castle and that they'd be in Rocky or Picture Show off. I would have preferred that to what we got is a line. I know, Charles Groad and Goldie Han.

Boy, that'd be something, wouldn't that. Yes, Well, And that is the thing, like Charles Groden and Goldiehn have really good chemistry together because she plays such kind of like I mean and again like I don't know how much is this character and how much is this just Goldie Hawn? But she plays such a free spirit in the things that I've seen her in that he is such a wet blanket of a human being. That they work really well together, playing off of one another. That's why when she's opposite Chevy Chase, it's like they're both kind of competing for screen time as opposed to being complimentary.

And they were complimentary in foul Play. But that's also because that was a Goldie Han movie, Like at its core, it was a like And that's the thing, like I don't can this is really is this Chevy Chase's movie more than anybody else's or this is Goldie Hawn and Chevy Chase's movie, because it's not Charles Groden's movie. That's for fucking damn share. It feels very much like this is chevy Chase's movie. That she is, there's billing, of course, but that she's introduced.

Third, it feels like we have already established chevy Chase as a character, and then we even establish what's going on with Grodin even more than what we do with her, because her court scenes are pretty light when it comes to I mean, we just get the explanation of I hire the people that I defend in court, right, which is fine, but yeah, it's it honestly feels like there's just stuff missing from this movie, like additional scenes that I think would have helped flesh out the narrative a little bit more. But that's the other thing, Like they wrote themselves into this corner and by day, I mean Neil Simon, that's the thing. Like, I just I don't know why you needed to have so many moving parts here, and I don't know why chevy Chase had to keep coming back over and over again, because that's like that's where this movie drags.

For me. Is this kind of tired bullshit of Chevy Chase Hunt hiding under the bed and we have these like extended character interactions on top of the bed and it's supposed to be funny because he's under the bed and we know it. But Charles Groden doesn't like how many times can you do this gag? Because the first time, okay, fine, the second time all right, third time, holy shit, and the fourth time it's like, all right, we're I'm good. I'm good.

Even if he's not under the bed, they're still playing those scenes like he is some of them, and it's just like, why do we need to see these same scenes over and over again? Because Charles Groden's character, given that he seems like a smart human being, would have left. He would have just left. He wouldn't continue to put up with this weird ass behavior from Goldie Han because again, like that's the thing. You see her character before Chevy Chase shows up, and she seems rather well put together, and then the moment he shows up, he derails everything, like systematically derails everything, and Charles Groden just is like, okay, fine, Like my wife is enamored with this other man that she used to be married to, I guess I'm okay with that.

It's like, don't just don't include this character, just just have Goldie Honby single and just and you know into it. Yeah, I guess. Well that's the thing, like in this day and age, like you could remake this movie and make it about that, the interactions between three people that are in a weird, non conventional relationship. I just don't think in eighty they were really able to tackle it, if they were trying to tackle it at all, which I don't think they were, Like, this is not a Lucky Lady situation. No, there's no implication here of anything between the three of them the way it is and Lucky Lady.

So that's the other thing, Like maybe that would have been the pivot is pivot a little bit and lean on the idea that like the like the three of them together work better than the two of them together, and like they don't even go there. So I don't know it, honestly. Just there's a lot of really strange opportunities that are taken and ones that are missed. Speaking of the under the bed scenes, the one that drove me crazy was when Groden was standing on Chase's thing and repeat the whole entire thing and kind of flubs it though, And I'm like, you're not on his face? Couldn't you have ady r that so that it came out a little sharper and cleaner and he stutters through it And I don't think that's really supposed to be his character.

It's like they took the actual, you know, source sound and just use that dialogue. And I'm thinking, man, this could have punched. This could have been a lot punchier. It was weird. It seemed odd to me.

Yeah, I can't disagree with that because that was odd that just to have her explained everything and then have him re explain it back to her line by a line by a line. I was like, Wow, you couldn't condense that somehow like this it went on for way too long, and just that static shot of the foot on the finger and with Jevy Chase doing all those hand motions, I'm like, yeah, okay, this goes on for a long time, Jay, you might want to cut away from this. Yeah, it was her face even just like with like a you know, oh my gosh, what's going on here kind of thing, because we don't even know if she sees that happening. Frankly, yeah, there's no indication, and it's kind of funny. At one point, Croden says, or Ira, his character says, you could have pointed under the bed, and I think I would have figured it out, right, And it's like, yeah, you're kind of giving away one of your own mistakes in the movie here right right well, and and the other I guess the other big conceit for me that I have a hard time wrapping my head around.

And again this is just like a yeah, they're like missed. I don't know, like one of those like that guy movies or you know, man a man in Trouble movies is like the Charles Charles Groden's character in this movie. Like again, like I have a hard time believing the idea that he's going to be in such trouble. If Chevy Chase is on the land for stealing money, like this guy is the attorney general of the state, is gonna be the attorney general of the state of California. I really don't think this has any bearing on his life other than the fact that this guy is in your fucking house now and your wife is aiding in a betting a fugitive.

Yeah, that's a problem. Now it is. Now it is, But like beforehand, he's just like no, no, no, no, no no, I have to deal with this now. And that's like I don't think I have to get him. I had to.

I mean, I guess that's the conceit is. He's it should be clearer that he is on the hunt for him, right because of you know, being Glinda or what is her name, keeps calling her Glenn Glenn. Yeah, I guess it's Glinda. Could be Glenn or Glinda her first husband, and this and that, you know, make it really adversarial instead of just more of a jealousy thing. It seems like, well can't even figure out what it is because again, like Charles Groden lets his wife get like full on tongue kissed at the end of the movie by Chevy Chase and Robert Gielm holding Charles Groden back is fine.

But I just I find I like I'm with you. Market's like, I find this a little hard to believe because the movie itself never lays down any sort of rules for what this is supposed to be, what this relationship is, or what even Chevy Chase and Goldiehans's relationship was before this all happened. We never get a sense of like how did they they got divorced? Why? Like that's the question, like because and that's the other thing, Like I can never figure that out because the movie, for all the times it says, well, this is my ex husband Nick, and this is my ex husband, this is my current husband, we never really get a census to why they weren't together because when they're together, yeah, she seems a little put upon, but I mean, she still manages to exist in her world without Chevy Chase.

But when he shows up, the movie wants us to believe that, like he is some sort of chaos introducing force into her life. And it just it all seems self inflicted by Goldie Hawns character, And that makes her again seem like an even bigger dumb character in this movie seemingly full of big dumb characters and not dumb in a fun way. Is he even good writer? Like he's up there at that cabin writing Did he ever write that story about the Mexican drug dealers? Did he write a Pulitzer winning story at all?

In his career? Is he working on novels? Now have his novels sold? Is he one of these guys that dicks around and says he's going to write the great American novel and never does, or has a manuscript twelve thousand pages high that no one's ever going to read, Like what kind of person is this guy? We don't really know?

And yeah, to your point, why did they get divorce? We get a little bit of that, but not anything Cotton Creete where you're like, Nick, you are always doing this, Nick, You're always doing that, and then at the end like, oh I've changed. No, he hasn't changed. He's the same Nick. And it's that lack of character arc in this movie that really just rings true to again the idea of like I just wish Neil Simon had gone over this one more time, because then again, I mean, if you really wanted this to be the Chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn movie, then I think you really need to lean on that more and not have them separated because she's with someone else for a third in the movie, namely the Charles Groden character, not because they don't have any like worthwhile interactions.

It's just her and Chevy Chase are so good together. You wanted to see the two of them, and it's not a Charles Groden isn't a talented actor. It's just their chemistry is really good, which is why they're in this movie together. Yeah, they're trying to recapture the same magic that they had before, but putting them in this situation doesn't work had it been more of a sequel to Foul Play rather than we're just gonna take these two actors and put them together. And I know we get that a lot.

I know that we have. Like I didn't realize how many movies Julia Roberts and George Clooney have made together until it was asked in a trivia contest, and I'm just like, ah, the Ocean's movies. And then I'm like, no memory of any They're movies that they've done together, which apparently has been like four or five. So I'm like, oh, okay, But it's not like, oh, they made such a great impression in Ocean's eleven that I want to see them in more movies together like these two where it's like, oh, wow, foul Play, that was great, Let's see them in more stuff. And that is why this movie exists in my opinion, right, because but it's like it's a lesser version of that because of primarily just the plot.

Like the performances are fine, but it's just the plot gets so contrived after about the first half hour that, yeah, the movie it's almost feels like the movie is spending most of its time trying to convince you why he hasn't just done the obvious thing, Like why hasn't he just done the obvious thing? Oh, because her husband's the Attorney general and he doesn't like Chevy Chase, so that's why. And it's like and he won't believe him. It's like, oh, come on, Like I don't know, Like Charles Groden's character doesn't seem that implacable. He seems like he could be reasoned with.

And that's again, like that's a failing of the script for not like we've already mentioned writing the character a further off the dial character. He's just not he needs to be I guess he needs to be more of an asshole, is really what it is. Like Charles Gruden's character needs to be more of an asshole in this movie like eight Well, and you see it with Goldie Hahn where he's like freaking out at her, but he when he's around chevy Chase, like, this guy has every right to like sock chevy Chase the fucking face over and over and over and over again, and he doesn't because again, like that's not what the script necessitates, but it should have, because at least we would understand that, like this guy just doesn't want to deal with it with her ex husband anymore, and he just seems like, oh my god, I guess I'll just let him have his fun until he chooses to leave, versus me just being like, get out of here, out of our lives completely.

Here's what they could have done. That picture of the two bank robbers that Robert Keome gets could have been introduced way earlier and Groden buries it. And that also kind of makes the end courtroom scene makes sense, where now they have actually done it to Aurora and it's the same two guys and they drag you know, and there's no getting around it. Robert Killome knows this, he recognizes their faces front the picture, et cetera, et cetera, so that that would make Groden more of an asshole. And now he's sort of invested in this and that he's covering it up, and there's more tension there other than just I don't like him because he was my wife's first husband, and it would make the courtroom scene, I think also work a little bit better, and that there's really no point in that courtroom scene by then, because Groden knows and Guillon knows that he was accompanied by two other men, So that I think would work a little better.

Yeah, make him in two villain. Yeah, at least of a jerk. I mean, that's you know, it's like, that's what the movie wants us to think. And that's the thing. It's like, he's he's such a strict, authoritarian husband who just doesn't understand his ditsy, lovable wife who takes care of all these people, and he hates the like and he hates the dogs, and he complains about the dogs all the time.

It's jew Yes, five five giant dogs, one of them being my future co star in a very pop with children's which I did find to be rather funny that there's like a giant sa Renardist. I didn't even make that connection. I remember the first time I met Beethoven, it was on the set of Seems Like Old Times Neil Simon actually introduced us. Yeah, but I did laugh at that, But no, I agree, like I think Charles Groden should have just been I don't know, like it's believable to have him be the villain and have Goldihan leave him at the end of the movie if that's the direction you want to go, and I think that's the direction. The direction they should have gone is just make Charles Groden the character that Goldiehn leaves at the end of the movie.

Because we've seen plenty of those kinds of movies plenty of time where it's oh, you're back and you're a changed man now, or or I love the lifestyle that you you know enabled, which was like literally fucking chaos twenty four to seven, as opposed to Charles Groden, who I mean again is like a seemingly normal human being with seemingly normal human being reactions to your ex wife's husband showing up and refue using to leave your house, effectively breaking and entering and living in your house like Charles Gruden's character. Really, yes, should have been the villain of the movie, but justified like a like understandably so, because again, if your wife was just kissing some other random guy that was not really random.

It's her ex husband. You'd be pretty angry too, and he's just not angry enough. It's just for all the Charles grodonness of the movie, there's not enough of him doing that thing that I think he's really known for. I think the movie really needed it. Yes, yes, yes, have some, Yes have some.

The short the short shrift given to Charles Grodin. Yeah, yeah, I mean we have seen this before in so many other romantic comedies. Like I felt so bad for anybody that wanted to go out with Meg Ryan in the eighties and nineties. You know, it's just like, oh, this guy's boring, or this guy has allergies, and it's just like, just because Bill Pullman has allergies, it's okay to dump his ass. I don't get that at all.

So yeah, there were a lot of times just like, no, this guy's very like Grotin can do dickish so well, as we've continued to say, to just amp it up a little bit, because as it is in this movie, I'm just like, no, he's totally in the right, you know, like, yeah, he might want to give Chevy Chase a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. But if your ex wife's husband starts coming in like, oh I had all these crazy things happen to me, I'm like, the fuck out of town, you know. Or let's think you to court and get this stuff all sold out for you. Yeah, I'm trying in court. I mean, yeah, find those two guys, let's do it.

I'd rather just have it. I'm sure this can't be the first time this has happened, right, right, that's the whole deal with them. I'd I'd rather have my leads just act like idiots instead, like all three of them at odds with one another, constantly unable to like figure out even the basest of base things, even though two of the three people in the scenario are lawyers, by the way, like literally, that's the other thing. It's like they they're supposed to be smart and yeah, yeah, you would have thought they'd just be like, well, we'll just do this, this and this, and you'll be fine and like and again, and given that the pictures already exist, it's just I don't know. The movie feels like it's spinning its wheels for almost the entire time, which is so strange to me because again, given how many times Chevy Chase is under the bed, given how many times Goldiehan almost tells Charles Groden but doesn't until she does, It's just I don't know.

I'm shocked that this movie just didn't have a stronger narrative because the performances are are fun, but I'm just surprised that the narrative just kind of meanders and by the end of it, you're just like, Oh, I forgot that they haven't dealt with the other bank robbers yet, but they did, but they didn't. It's like, and I'm not sure I care enough about them to see their story through at the end, because the story kind of gets handed off to Chevy Chase and Goldie Han. So why do we need to go Oh, because, like we've already said, they have to have everybody in the court room at the end of the movie. Because slapstick comedy. Okay, it's the sitcom conceit.

That's why it's sitcomy to me is everybody has to act a certain way to propel the story. Like you said at the beginning, Chris, if we don't do that, then we don't have a movie right right, or it needs to be just a lot sharper, yeah, and clearer written. And there are ways to do it where it makes sense for him to constantly be hiding, like Mike mentioned, to have him actually do more crimes or be suspected of more crimes, more mistakes that make it look like he is an actual criminal, you know, a repeat offender, and go that way to where it's like the state, the whole state is actually trying to track him down because from Big sur to LA he's robbed all of these gas stations, he's the hijacked cars, he's carjacked people, whatever.

But then he's too big, then he's too much of a bad guy, and he loses our sympathy, I guess. So you know, everybody has to be kind of likable in this, it seems yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's the downfall. Yeah, I totally agree. It ends up. Yeah, you really can't have a movie like this without one of the love triangle trio being kind of the one you don't want to see end up with someone at the end of the movie.

And it's just it's not yeah, it's not there here And I don't watch romantic comedies very often, and it's not for any particular reason, but I've seen enough to know that again, like this movie is really operating on some of like the tropius tropes of rom coms, and like you mentioned, Begley, one of the big ones is characters having to act in a what I would consider to be naive or even one consider stylized way of like just not using what so many of us would consider to be common sense, Like oh, you know, it's the thing in the movies where it's like two characters sitting on a bench talking and one's like, I'm leaving for I'm leaving to go out overseas tomorrow. Is there anything you want to tell me?

And they sit there and stare at each other and the one character wants to say I love you but doesn't, and they know if they just said it, that person might like stick around. It's like, you know, it's a narrative, so we get that, and and that's fine at all, But you I don't think as the screenwriters care enough about going further into those ideas and really exploring them at it's surface level. But in my mind, if it's surface level, don't even introduce it, because that means you've you've examined it and decided it's not worth your time, which I would disagree. It's completely worth your time. I mean, go back and watch His Girl Friday and just see how they treated like the Ralph Bellamy character where he's a nice guy, but he just is no match for Cary Grant in that movie, when you've got Roslyn Russell and Cary Grant and they are just going back and forth with this amazing banter.

And then you've got Ralph Bellamy who's just kind of like a oak from a skogie type of character. We're just like, what is this guy's problem. He's a nice dude, but he is no match. Like you can tell, like these two characters belong together, and this guy is definitely like the safe, you know, kind of steady life type of character. And I don't get that Goldiehan is missing that craziness that she had when she had Nick.

It's not like you look at those two and you're just like, oh, they belong together. I'd much rather see her and Charles Gorodon have a good time at the end of it, because Charles Groden deserves to be happy to It's always the squares that get left in the dust. Well, you know, what they say. I'm pretty sure Chevy Chase and goldiehan don't have a lot of They might have a lot of fun together, but I don't. Again, like she divorced him for a reason.

I think the movie forgot about that. That's the thing. It's like, it's just the narrative of the movie is so weird because again, it goes It's not that it doesn't go in the directions that you would think, it just doesn't really go anywhere with any of it. And by the end of it, the movies like see, see they should be together, See they should be together. It's like, no, it's fate at that point.

Yeah, Charles Groden's femeral artery has been cut and he's bleeding out in the back of a car like this is There are bigger things that play here than Chevy cha and Goldie Hawn's relationship. And you mentioned we mentioned the chevy Chase physical stuff. I'm so glad he didn't do the limp throughout the whole movie because, oh my god, it's like all the Chevy Chase physical comedy stuff in this movie was just too much for me. And I think it's because they really rely like I wonder if Neil Simon when they realized they were getting chevy Chase's like, I got to punch the Pratt falls up like a thousand percent now, but they're none. But it feels it feels that way.

It feels like someone who doesn't know how to do it doing it the way that they are doing it, thinking that it's going to just work, because chevy Chase falling down has some like strength of comedy to it. But I don't know. For me, I've never I've never been the one to resonate with that version of Chevy Chase, the falling down constantly. It's always about the quips. One of them worked for me, and it was falling down the stairs out of the mother in law house in the back.

That one worked when Aurora catches him and makes him fall. That's the only one that worked for me. It makes makes sense. Well, and again that's the stunt man. You know, you get chevy Chase falls, but then you get the stuntman falls, so like the being thrown out of the car or falling off of the when he's going up to Trellis Trellis.

Yeah, Yeah, there are a few of them where you're just like, Wow, this is really bad. Like they don't even try to do like a Texas switch with the Trellis one. I thought for sure it'd be okay, stuntman falls, Chevy Chase comes out of the bush type of thing. Yeah, no, they just cut and that's how they transition to from that stuntman to Chevy Chase. But yeah, it's the stunt guy was definitely getting his pay for this movie, that's for sure.

Thank you unting that Trellis Texas switch because that shit made me laugh. So because we've given how many times we saw it a naked gun where this where this show essentially came from, Like that made me laugh because I was like, that's a Frank Drebin thing done really poorly. They do try a little bit in the toss from the car, he gets to roll down some sand for an insert shot, so try to cover it that way, which was I appreciate it a little bit, but I mean even that roll down the hill could have been extended to make it just ridiculous. Ridiculous, right, I'll make done. Just have it be like the tallest hill in that part of the state, you know, rolls past the couple having a picnic, Yeah, rolls past like somebody else.

Yeah, it should have been yeah a lot, somebody using the metal detector, all kind of stuff. Yes, Yeah, they don't work. They don't land at all for me. And I know I've said it probably on at least one of the episodes we've already recorded, if not both, that physical comedy is the lowest common denominator of humor for me. It just never lands.

And that's just me. And I'm sure that there are people now and there were people back then in the theater. Every time you fell, they laughed, but it I don't know, it's never worked for me. That's really unfortunate, Mark, because I don't remember Under the Rainbow being full cerebral comedy. Oh.

I'm sure there's going to be plenty of these movies where that is, you know it. I mean, you know, having seen three of the Vacation films, I can safely say that it's not all that. And especially Christmas Vacation, the physical humor is done very well, superbly, what mighty That one actually works for me pretty much all the way through uh European Vacation I haven't seen in forever, but and even the first vacation. I think most of it is is done well and it's not the focus. So but I'm sure there are others that I haven't seen where that's going to be the go to to get a laugh, and it most likely is not going to work for me.

I'm and that's the thing, you know, because I hadn't really thought about that, that style of the chevy Chase performance where he is doing the pratful because again, like I didn't watch us in l as a kid, like I mean, I did, but it was like the nineties, so it wasn't that same time, And the only chevy Chase that I saw was in Fletch, and Fletch doesn't Fletch has a couple bits of physical comedy. But I feel like by that time, I think everybody understood that, like the thing that is going to really put Chevy Chase over the top and these performances is his ability to you know, like ad lib and do like improvisational like quips in comedy because I don't know how many of those are in the script and how many of just him doing it, because I know, as do both of you, he is really good at that kind of stuff, at just being off the cuff like that.

And yeah, Like I'm not gonna say I didn't laugh during this movie, but I laughed a couple times early on, but primarily in the anytime that chevy Chase feels put upon early on in the movie, like the thing with the like Verda mentioned the gas station attendant where he's like grabbing his leg like stuff like that, but like that's the physical stuff that worked for me with chevy Chase, like trying to get the gas station attendant's attention, Like that's the kind of physical comedy. Not yet, not him flying out of windows and rolling down hills like he's fucking what was it our sideo at the beginning of an Amazon Woman on the Moon, It's like, yeah, it's like that, but like that that actually works, Like that's actually funny in this movie.

I honestly feel like the pratfall stuff doesn't serve this movie at all, Like it's it's out of another movie completely. Yeah, it's his shtick, you know. I know we kind of talked about this scene a little bit already. The car I guess it's sort of not really a chase. But when Chester tk Carter runs the stop sign and we've got the cops, and we all know, and Goldie Han knows at that point that Chivvy's in the back Chester might as well, and he has a blanket, but when the cop is at the window, he's holding it up like this, Yeah, and you can see his hands and the top of his head in the corner of the frame, and I'm like, why isn't he just under the blanket?

That was so bizarre. What about this man in the back of your car? Yeah, right, what is he? Dowey? That op is Jack Lemon's son.

I think that's Christopher Lemon, huh. And it was kind of weird that he was the cop from the night before, but the other cop wasn't right. I found that odd. Yeah, that that whole thing. Like again, I thought the cops are going to be much more of a presence in this movie, and especially how they're outside and you know, watching the house.

So it's just like, well, that's that's pretty smart, that's pretty cool. And oh she forgets about them and brings them the chicken accidentally. I was like, okay, but yeah, I wanted them to be a force, but they just kind of they're there and then they stop them for the traffic and somehow believe their bullshit story and start to take them to where they take them to the hospital or to yeah, court because she can't keep her story straight. But one of them too, Yeah right right, they're getting an escort. That's all I caught from that.

I'm like, oh, I think I missed a line of dialogue. I think that's it for them. I don't think they ever come back. No, that's it. They're done then, which is odd because they're in consecutive scenes.

They're there at the party and then they're there the next morning, same cop or one of this. She doesn't even recognize. Yeah, he's like, oh, thanks for the chicken. She said, what. Okay, Hey, characters have to be stupid, you know.

Yeah, no offense either to Marvin Hamlish. But I kind of missed this not having a cool Berry Manilow theme song. I really was hoping for that, especially when it starts off with like that helicopter shot over the water and everything. I was like, where's my Verry Manelo song? Yeah?

Apparently, And I don't know how much I believe this, but Paul McCartney wrote a seems like old Times tune that was supposed to be used, that wasn't I know he has a song called Seems Like Old Times as well. I know that they're friends. Who's at Paul? Uh wait, did you say Paul McCartney or Paul Simon? Okay, I'm I meant Paul McCartney.

If I said Paul Simon, I misspoke. But well, I I was thinking of both because I know that. Well, this doesn't mean that they're friends, but I'm pretty sure that there's a music video that you can call me out. Well no, no, I think there's also a music video for Spies Like Us where Chevy Chase plays a record producer in it for the Paul McCartney song. Oh okay, yes, because that was the title song with Spies Like Us that not to be out done by Livin Let Die.

But okay, yeah, it's like that definitely was a theme song. I mean, Love Let Die has a great Paul McCartney reggae section, so oh yeah, I know you like that the best whole song as far as I'm concerned. It's the best James Bond song. So I agree it is okay, I agree, but that doesn't mean I can't look at Paul McCartney and go why were you doing the reggae thing? Man?

I love it because music is the international language. Oh god it okay, fair, it's not cultural creation, cultural appropriate. I wasn't even going there. I just think it's funny to hear Paul McCartney do reggae as all bla dah. Also fair.

Yeah, I don't know. Again, like I didn't have any expectations going into this movie, but I definitely think the movie just I feel again like I feel like for me, the movie just could have been better if everyone involved had taken the time to just shore up the script because they had the right idea with the with with casting the right people. I mean, at least the two leads and Charles Grodin, who doesn't have anything to do. Unfortunately, Robert Gilloma is underused. I love him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think T. K. Carter gets gets enough screen time. The Aurora is great. You know, we've got to have this sassy Mexican housekeeper in there, pretty much a seventies and eighties staple.

She's a chicken. I was really open that TK Carter would call somebody Buana in this one as well. Oh yeah, great, honest, honestly, the the TK Carter character is, he's he's like he almost steals the movie. He's so much fun, Like he is having a great time. You can tell, like just being in this movie with the people that he's you know, starring opposite, which he's opposite everybody because he gets to interact with everybody.

I think he, for me might be the best part of the movie t K. Carter, because again, like I haven't seen him in a lot. I know he was an Amazon woman on the moon, and I know obviously he's in the thing, but this is like a pretty extended performance from him. He's great. I would say he's definitely one of my favorite things about it.

And I didn't realize he would be in it that much. To be honest with you, I knew he was in it. We discussed that on one of the other episodes. But he's he's in it quite a bit. He's in it a lot.

I mean, he's almost a third lead. That's less Charles Groeded and more him. Like he's really in a lot of the movie. He's even in the courtroom at the end opposite and says hi to the judge. Wait.

I love that bit when you know we're talking about the whole thing of like all Chevvy Chase has to do is explain it and it would all go away. That's true. But I do like when he says that out loud and he says, is that how it works? Schester and T K. Carter right back with not my neighborhood?

Yeah? Yeah, like that was good. That was good. Yeah, yeah, they get so they get some decent progressive stuff in there. And then, of course, but except for calling the Native Americans Indians the whole time our Indian, my Indian, Your Indians Indians?

Yeah, your your Indians is a good one. What is she says something to Chester at one point too. He calls her boss and she's like, don't call me bost didn't you see roots? Right, that's like the first interaction that they have with each other. Yeah, alrighty, anything else we want to talk about with uh?

Seems like old times? No. I think we did good. Almost taught the entire length of the movie. Yeah.

The one gag. The other gag that I also appreciated is when Chevy takes the bone to the throat in the kitchen when she opens the door. That was good. Yeah, that was the other sight gag or practical gag. I liked.

That's about it. Well, I don't know if Under the Rainbow has a lot of sight gags. It might. I'm sure it does, Sure it will. But that is the next movie that we are covering on the Chasing Chevy Chase in a Chevy podcast, it was dry.

I cried. I'm excited. I'm excited to see this mess. This is one I have not seen at all. Same I've heard.

I've heard about it, that's all I know. And it has Chevy Chase and Carrie Fisher, which seems like a weird pairing to me. But I'm sure it's a great movie. I'm sure we're gonna have a great time with it. They will probably have very little problems, right, It will all be very politically correct.

I'm sure we could hate a little person on this episode and they would just be like, yeah, all checks out, all good, it's all true. Yeah. Hey, it'll be another pairing of Billy Bardy and Chevy Chase yeat wait yeah, although they didn't interact in foul play, but just keep thinking about foul play when we're watching this movie. I'm excited to see Kerry Fisher in something other than a Star Wars movie. To be honest with you have ser she might be partially undressed in this movie, not as much as she was an Amazon Woman out in the moon.

But yeah, now one of those wild Hollywood parties like you see in that or Star Wars Return of the jedi'st It or I may have to rewatch Amazon Women on the Moon because I don't remember that. Yeah, there was part of the She's in that VD movie section and they show some of the wild parties that they're in where it's like all the women in like like skimpy, but not that skimpy, you know, like it's very very team since it's supposed to be from the Night teen fifties, I think, m Yeah, so one with Pearl Paul Bartel where he's the doctor and yes, yes, and with the cigarettes exactly. I forgot you guys weren't on me with that episode that was Father Malone. Yeah, I watched that with Yeah, yep, yep, yeah, Carrie Fisher.

Yeah, I'm excited. So uh so until then, where can where can people find you and your assorted works? Mister Mark Begley, You can find me at wakeupavy dot com and Wheredowaymedia dot com for both of my shows Wake Up Heavy and Cambridge and with Sean and on social media at Wake Up Heavy on where can people find you? On X? At Wake Up Heavy, I was gonna say my handle on all social media and to find me the local gas station on X if you know what I mean, Mike, what about you?

Where can people find you? And the things that you work on? I was talking to a co worker who insisted on calling it X, and I just said, what is wrong with this guy? And then later on he was talking about what he likes to do for fun and how him and his kids are really we like to send up rockets into the chemtrails so we can see what heavy metals are in there. No like, oh no, wonder you call it acts?

Okay, okay, all right, all right, this makes sense. Oh my god. We'd to the wise if somebody you know calls it access out of Twitter, go the other way. So yeah, I'm on there as pro boothcast and other places. AT's Projection Booth podcast because yeah, on weekends and Tuesdays, Thursdays and Friday afternoons.

Every other week, I work on a podcast called The Projection Booth and also I am on a podcast called The Shabby Detective, and I'm super excited, Chris, because I am about to go upstairs and watch the next episode of Colombo so we can talk about our favorite rumpled detective. Both of those shows, as well as a lot more, as available over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com and Chris, how about yourself? Well, similarly to y'all, I can be found over at weirding Way Media. Yeah, Culture Cast, which is a weekly show, a bunch of weekly shows on two weekly shows, My My, My, My, two weekly shows I Guess and then our monthly and other shows are all there, so go check them out, give them a listen. If you're into movies or TV shows from the seventies with cops, that might be here.

I don't know what our thing is with seventies. Yeah, oh yeah so that yeah. Where this, uh, where this random little project essentially came from, was the three of us going, let's talk about naked gun and we did. And all that can be found at weirding Way Media, including this show that you're listening to right now, so uh yeah, until until the next time you hear us, We'll catch you on the next episode.