Star Trek Fest - Star Trek Beyond

Welcome back Midnight viewers to Star trek Fest, the final frontier of Star trek Fest. Oh my god? Has it been this quick? Has it been this long? Is there a mirror universe version of this movie?

I don't know. We'll find out. We're talking about Star Trek Beyond. My dad joined Storrefleet because he believed in it. I joined on a dare you joined to see if you could live up to him.

You spend all this time trying to be your father, not even wondering just what it means to be you. It isn't uncommon, you know. It's easy to get lost in the vastness of space. There's only yourself, your ship, your crew. You really want to head back out there?

Hah? What the hell is this? You're a boarding us abandon ship? My god, I know why you're here, why we are all here. Our captain will come for us.

Mercy will be the last thing on his mind. I am counting on it. Fear of death is illogical. Fear of death is what keeps us alive. Everyone who goes there he kills.

That's our friends out there. We can I just leave him behind. Shureity, It's not your strength. It's I think you're underestimating humanity. Hold on the subbing, will do it?

Do it pertly? You like sassy. This one was written by Simon Peg and Doug Young, directed by Justin Lynn, starring John Chow, Chris Pine, Simon Pegg, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Selton, Carl Urban, Anton Yelkin, and Idris Elba. This was released on July twenty second, twenty sixteen. Bunche of one hundred and eighty five million pulled in three hundred and forty three.

Pretty good enough to interest for another one, But then again, interest is all we're going to get. Hpe Thank you for joining us, sir, Thank you. I'm happy to be here. I cannot believe we reached the end of our It's not a five year mission in this case, but I can't believe we reached the end of I feel like boys to men, we reached the end of the road fo them alone, and I can't let go. I feel like Star Trek has a lot us down with their meager output of films.

James Bond laughs in their general direction. It's got me thinking. With the recent decision not to renew Starfleet Academy for a second season Star Trek. The property has a very checkered history of consistency and interest over the years, and this is probably the subject of a separate episode, but it's really gotten me thinking in the through the prism of this movie, where I feel like they just started getting cooking with this one, and we will have no more of the Kelvin universe movies. Yeah, I mean they go out on a high.

I get that. So was this your first time seeing this flick? Probably not? No, No, it was not. I did not see it in the movies, and I chalked that up to feeling very burned by into darkness.

That's just resolved. I'm not gonna They're not gonna take my money again. So this was likely a stream Actually, probably not, because this is probably prior to streaming. I probably rented it in one way or another. I saw this in the theater.

This is a period where Jess and I were going to end movie that came out, so we were going to see it regardless. I was going to see it obviously as a Star Trek fan. No matter how burned I felt, I felt it was my duty to see all the Star Trek movies in the theater. And I have motion picture onward. What you think of Star Trek Beyond Man.

I will say that I regret not seeing this in the theater because, as you said, they really went out with a bang with this movie. I really enjoyed this, Father Milane. I do have some reservations, which we'll get into, but overall it I felt like it held up I in fact, I was enjoying it so much, and then I remembered that JJ Abrams didn't direct this, and I kind of set up a correlation in my mind as to why I was enjoying. It so much. I agree, I enjoyed this much more than the previous two movies.

I enjoyed it when I saw it in the theater. I enjoyed it on the rewatch. However, I didn't realize why I hadn't gone back and rewatched the film sense until rewatching it again, which is nine tenths of this movie is really good, and then halfway through the final act it falls down to me so fucking hard that it doesn't completely do away with all the goodwill that the previous parts of the movie have engendered. But it doesn't make it doesn't leave me feeling great about this flick, and that's the whole I mean, we'll get there. The whole Crawl thing eventually is just ridiculous.

It's as clumsy as having John Harrison B. Khan, and I remember enjoying the conclusion and not having any significant quibbles with it, and that I agree with you this time through the Krawl thing and how they resolved that, it seemed a little perky jerky to me, like maybe there were some scenes and things that were cut that might have, you know, burnished the whole notion of who the character Krawl was and how he was revealed. But I was not feeling a little incomplete with that. What's the plot here, HP? What's the story?

If you will? The plot is the Enterprise has come into a space station called the Yorktown for they're about they're nine hundred some odd days into their five year mission, and they've come into this space station and they receive word from an alien of a hostile force that basically attacked them, and the Enterprise goes to try and figure out what's happening with this this attack, and they get more than they bargained for because they come face to face once again with a face from their distant past, and Kirk and Spock have to reckon with their possibly conflicting notions of what the future may hold for their careers. It's Star Trek at a crossroads. Everybody, everyone has future plans. Kirk's bored, he's just tired of exploring.

He didn't like it anymore. He wants to get away. And Spock he's got he's duty bound, man. He needs to get back to Vulcan or New Vulcan because when you're fucking kelvin verse. Now, I'm not gonna let this go.

Fuck you guys, So you're gonna use the word fukeru during this episode again, my favorite word, fucking. I mean, if if we are talking about how they've treated Vulcan, then yeah, you'll hear it frequently. The good I can't call it good news. That was the wrong way to phrase it. But what I think is good is that we learn at the beginning that I'll just call him Ambassador Spock prime Leonard Nimoy's iteration of Spock has died.

Which I say that it's a good thing because it's one less tie that this movie series has to the old original series. Like I anytime they've taken a moment to shake off the you know, the notion of the how they're beholden to the old series. I think it's good. I want to say, I wanted to see this stand on his own. Totally agree with that.

That's the best part of this memory. Not the best part that Smock is dead, but yeah, that we finally get this crew out there adventuring on their own, doing their own things, without any connection to the past. Robert Orsi, who did the terrible screenplays for the previous one, was in the middle of writing the latest draft, which is going to be Star Trek three here, and from what I understand, evidently was turning in a script that Paramount termed two Star Trek ye, meaning it was heavy on the exploration and less military in fact, virtually not. They said no, thank you, and Simon Peg stepped in and says, oh, I think I can give you a popcorn movie that will balance out the Star Trek of it all, and that's how he gets the gig and apparently is rewriting this script while they're filming, while he's also filming Mission Impossible.

So if there's an MVP here, it's Simon Pegg, who apparently held it all together from beginning to end if there would be no movie at all if it weren't for him. So thank you Montgomery, Scott. And the truth be told. The movie feels a little bit like like it's being made as we go there is I'm not going to call it ramshackle because that would be unfair because I really liked it, but there is a feeling of a bit of making up as they go along, and that might account for some of the stretching of credulity and the laziness of the conclusion. Of the movie.

I think let's talk about Okay, so they're board, or kirkis board anyway, and they're schedule to stomp in here at the Yorktown. Let's talk about the Yorktown Marvel. Yeah, it looks it's amazing. It's a little like mc escher because you have buildings that are jutting out from all angles and there's an artificial gravity, but there's a center of gravity in the middle that's neat that figures into. It and it's like a gyroscope.

Yeah, that's exactly what It made me feel, like a gyroscope. And built cities on all every inch of it and all the different levels and layers there are. I do not understand the physics of this station. I'm sure some nerd figured it out when they're putting all these computer models together, but it's gorgeous and I wouldn't mind spending some time on the Yorktown. It thought out too, because they have these for lack of a better term, they have these pipes that the ships sail into as a dock with the city, but within those pipes, like the pipes are underground of the main city, so you can see these ships floating around beneath the places, the thoroughfares where all those citizens are gathering and going about.

It feels alive and bustling, and I really I liked it. Just felt like there were a lot of thought went into the design of the Yorktown. Yeah, all the thorough affairs are basically transparent, so when you look down, you can see the levels below you, including one that includes stars just cruising along beneath your feet. Yeah, you also see not Yorktown specific, but we actually see for the first time what a ship going through warp actually how it looks like a cross section of it because we see as it as the enterprise comes out of warp at the Yorktown. It's actually this kind of cool bubble, like they said this in the last or the first movie where you know Montgomery or Scotty says, oh, I didn't think about it in terms of space moving around, and not the ship moving, but the space moving.

And you actually it's neat that you get to see this bubble of space time warp around the Enterprise as it's moving through warp. That was new. That is new. That's their version of the motion pictures warp with all of the sparkly star patterns, or the first time the Millennium Falcon went to hyperspace. They're trying to put their stamp on it.

And I agree, I think it's good. It's the theory about warp drive we've heard all along. Somebody just went we could probably visualize that. Yeah. And also having said that, I don't think the Enterprise has ever looked more alien on the inside because a lot happens to it, and you see a lot of it as they deal with this antagonist.

But it's all again, it's blindingly white, but all the corridors are this undulating curve. It made me feel like it looked like the When people think of UFOs and what they might look like on the inside, the Enterprise kind of looks like that they've done away with any pretext of comfort or you know, sanity and engineering. It just looks weird and curvy and bright. And I didn't like having said that. I didn't like the inside and the enterprise at all in this movie.

You didn't like it in comparison to the previous iterations. No, I didn't like any of them. But this might be my least favorite of the Kelvin timeline enterprises. Maybe it's because there's a lens flare going off in every fucking corner of the frame anymore so, you were a bit jarred by how the enterprise actually appears. I just I if this is built to sustain people for five years on a mission, it's just I think I would go crazy if I had to spend a month on this thing, because it would drive me.

Wouldn't it drive you mad to be in this weird white corridor, endless corridors curving around you. Oh, I've had my fill or I've spoken at length about how much I do not like this enterprise, and even just so much like even something as simple as where the cells are placed. We get a shout when they launch from the York Town to go off on their mission, which it's a beautiful shot. It's basically shot from the photon torpedo to you know, the and the ship behind us, and you can see where the the cells are placed, and they're basically they're leaned all the way in and there underneath this saucer. Effectively what it looks like a pop art version of the End Enterprise, like in some Italian comic book in the nineteen seventies.

Yeah, they lean into the sixties vibe with this, even with some of the costuming. But I think in particular that's I think that's what you're calling out here. It seems like very futuristic, but like. Futuristic nu veaux almost. Yeah, That's what I'm getting at exactly.

But anyway, what do you think of this opening scene? I like, you mean what he's given as a Yeah, I was surprised again by it. I remember watching it and there's a little bit of a fake out with these creatures that he's trying to present this diplomatic token of diplomacy or I've fordoond it. He was trying to present them this artifact as a token of a gesture of peace, and I thought it was fun. I mean, they for the past two movies, they've leaned into the silliness and the humor of Kirk, you know, dealing with something serious that goes pear shaped, and then he's got a he's forced to you know, it's craft fall is escape out of the situation.

I thought it was cute. I don't know, it's all comedy openings here on start. I mean. That's not true. The first film begins dramatically and wonderfully, and then they decided we need comic relief from here on it with our adventure, because it does get a bit harrowing once all of those tiny creatures start ganging up on Kirk.

But but up until then, it's all played for laughs. I'd like to point out that the Tanaxi, which is the creatures that the Shae Wigham is their leader actor Shay Wigan. Yeah, yeah, Morgan, Boardwalk Empire. Did you see that Gonzilla on Kong Island movie? The Kong Island movie?

I did not. Did you see the last couple of Mission Impossible movies? No? Oh, man, come on, you're killing me. Here, Shae Wigham, He's everything.

I got. What can I say? I have a very long queue that I have to get that. Brother. Look, I'm too busy watching Star Trek movies to keep up with what the more current featuring.

Okay, I will you know what Shake Wigham is on my It's in my cue. I'll watch them. If I'm gonna watch anything, I'll watch the Mission. Impossible, wig out with Wigham. Listen, Okay, Wigham fest all right, So they get their mission.

This alien shows up and has helped me, and she's very suspect from the very beginning. And I don't know why everyone is like, cool, let's just do what this girl says, and she can come with us and roam freely on the Enterprise. Yeah, for somebody, actually, Kirk says at one point, I have a nose for danger, for somebody who has a self professed nose for danger. He messes up big time here because it costs the Enterprise and its crew. But good that they listen to this suspect alien.

All right. So they get out there and then we meet Krawl and his creatures. Are they just called the Krawl. It's actually quite a marvel of engineering. The way it works.

So they go to this place where this attack happening. Okay, first of all, they have to give us the reason that Starfleet is not going to come help their flagship, which is there behind some nebula. It's hard to navigate through, and it's prevented this the Krawl and whatever his minions are called, from getting through and vice versa. I guess, well, Nebula Nebulas are shorthand or it's an easy way in Star Trek to mark something as impenetrable or dangerous. We've seen Nebula since Nebula's since Star Trek two.

That's where they go, and they have the naval battle with Khan. So that's a little lazy on the face of it. Yeah, but you know, okay, fine whatever. They want to get them far enough away that their help isn't coming, and boy, help isn't coming. Let me tell you something, HB.

I take no pleasure in watching the Enterprise eviscerated again. The Enterprise is destroyed another movie. I mean, you know what, we should figure out how many of these movies did the Enterprise bite the dust in? Four than half? Just four?

You gotta figure Star Trek three is the main one. That's the actual Enterprise exploding there. Yeah. And then they did it in Generations, Yeah, and then they did it in did they do it in the first Star Trek movie? They beat the shit out of the Enterprise.

It's like, well, still into osphere. Yeah, maybe maybe it not destroyed, but certainly in more than half of them, the Enterprise is beaten within an inch of its life. It's four I mean yeah, I mean two. Yeah. If you want to include in an inch of its life then Star Trek two definitely.

Yeah. But you know what, we're used to the Enterprise taking a certain amount of damage, even back in the old series, so it's part of the game. Yeah, but this is different. This is you know, they got the saucer section back from Generations, but we're talking Star Trek three level of destruction, but much much worse because we watch it happen in slow motion almost as these ships pierce every part of it and we watch all the crew members get sucked out. It's a pretty horrifying sequence on us.

It's terrifying. There's something about and every one of these Kelvin Timeline movies has a version of the shot where the hull is breached and three or four hapless Enterprise crewmen or crew persons get sucked out into the vacuum of space. And that, to me is the most terrifying idea that you know, because they're always screaming as they get sucked into the cold vacuum of space, like they know what's happening. That's totally harrowing. I won't say I'm used to that necessarily, but we have seen that over and over again.

What bothered me in this one was getting in my personal life pod and then an alien craft snatching me out of orbit and taking me down to the planet. Yeah, and crawls attack force. Because it's hundreds of thousands of little tiny ships that are all integrated in some sort of hive mind situations such arm It's a cloud of these tiny ships that are like you know, penetrating the enterprises hull at a ridiculous rate, to the point where at one point he orders them to I think he says, cut off its head. And I sat in the theater and gripped my fucking armress. No, please don't.

It's brutal where it basically these things, you know, swing into that that the neck between the sauca section and the main section and just repeatedly slice through it at such a speed that it effectively is separated, you know, brutally, like cutting somebody's throat, like exactly what he said. It's very harrowing, the entire sequence. And I gotta say, I've I know that they kicked the shit out of the Enterprise a lot here for no good reason. But I as much as it pains me to watch the Enterprise get harmed in any way like this, one made sense as far as the plot we were getting. Maybe not the resolution we end up with, but for the adventure that they were telling, it made total sense to take her away, particularly given this sort of greater storyline, which is everyone attempting to move on from the Enterprise so you can't even have her anymore.

So I really liked it thematically, I agree. The only only problem with it is I don't see how the Enterprise withstands this attack and doesn't just explode. That to me strained credulity for what it's worth, Like we've seen ships get attacked, you know, with much less brutal force and just explode. I don't know how the Enterprise survived that. But in those cases we're watching other ships of the line firing energy weapons with an attempt to explode their warp core.

This isn't how this swarm operates at all. They're just about either penetrating and taking over or just cutting mechanically through. That's how they're able to get through the shields. There's no energy being expended, so unless they hit the warp course specifically, the Enterprise is going to remain intact. That's fair.

This is also to be fair, they had no idea what they were going to be up against, so there they're completely caught unawares. What I will say about it is as harrowing as it is and as interesting as the whole thing is, I did find a lot of it a little confusing to follow some of the action, because there's a lot happening on a lot of parallel spots on the ship, or parallel storylines happening, and it was a little hard to follow at times, I found. I don't know if you had the same impression. I thought the geography here was pretty pretty solid. Actually, I think at the end I'm completely at sea once we get to the Yorktown Race.

I think that might be by design, though, But here I don't know. Having watched the Enterprise get kicked around for these Star Trek fest here and paying as much attention as I have, I found the action to be very followable. Okay, that's fine. Maybe maybe I was trying to follow it a little too intently for the purposes of taking my notes. That could be it.

I'm not sure, but certainly I didn't think the action was directed poorly or set up poorly, because I think you're meant in that moment to feel as confused and upset about the whole situation as the crew members are, So maybe that's by design. Yeah, man who relish is watching the body of the Enterprise falling away while the saucer section is still attached to the neck and it's just drifting into orbit. It's a great sequence, fantastic, Good for you. Simon Peck, who then gives himself a really fucking excellent exit moment, I know he look, you know what, man, he gives Montgomery Scott way more than he's gotten in any of the other movies, and fucking God blessed, because you know what. As Star Trek fans, we love Montgomery Scott, we love Scotty.

We want to see an entire movie of Scotty and his little weirdo sidekick played by Deep Roy. By the way, I finally found that out. Yeah, research that for the first movie, and I was like, oh, that's really cool because everybody knows Deep Roy. If you've seen the Willy Wonka remake, he played the omp olumpas he's been in a bunch of stuff. He's beloved.

He was in Flash Gordon. Oh, he's the one who's Princess Ardala's pet. Oh, but there's like this famous there's a during the football fight that he's like applauding, Right, that's him. Oh yeah, I recognize him now, A good call. I know his sci fi royalty is.

You know, I was stunned by the way to find out that. Why am I blanking his name? Sam Jones had to have most of his dialogue redubbed. At the end of filming, he quit because he refused to come back and do any of the looping. He was gonna get more money like a dummy.

He was such a dummy. Oh man, anyway, back to Star Trek and only get sidetracked. Hold on a second ripley leave her alone. Hey, I'm talking to you, god man. It's a little Bruce there.

She is running around in the background anyway. Yeah, so look what if you. I think previous Star Trek movies have struggled at giving different characters missions and getting them separated and an appropriate and plot driven away. I think they figured out the best way to do it, just fucking blow up the ship and send them scattering onto a planet's surface. True.

I think you and I agree that the best example of that is he still remains First Contact because everybody has their own part to play in the overall story. But ever, everybody has something substantial to contribute. The thing of it is when coming into this, I had a memory that, wow, this is a return to that, or this was their version of that. But I was still surprised upon rewatching it that it's that's not as proliferate as I remember. Like, for example, Sulu doesn't really have a ton to do in this, and my memory of it was, oh, everybody had a little.

They spread it out much more evenly. It's really not It's better than it was, but it's not perfect. Like First Contact, Sulu is gay. That was his thing. You didn't get that at the beginning of the movie.

That's and that's fantastic. But that doesn't mean that he has a lot to you know, he doesn't have a lot of action. He doesn't propel the plot like Scotty does, like Scotty's all over this. God bless him. I'm joking, by the way.

Yeah, I thought Sulu is the one who's who is underserved in this film. However, I remember watching the scene again where Kirk and Chekhof are cavorting through the forest together. I thought, hey, we've never really seen this Chekhov like man of action, Like why not? I love seeing That's probably one of my favorite rediscoveries in this, if I can call dad, is the fact that Chekhov has so much more to do in this and the bit of him, as you said, with Kirk kind of hiking through the woods going back to the enterprise, that's you know, it's a it's a it's still on fire. It's not sure if it'll work.

But their little adventure, the two of them plus that alien that turns out to be a turncoat, I thought that's great. And Chekhov really does contribute a lot to how they get off the planet. I thought he was awesome. It's and it makes me even more sad the untimely death obviously of Anton Yelkin. I mean, it's a real shame because they could have they should have made more movies.

Yeah, it's it's bittersweet that he was given as much to do as he was in his final performances. And as anatotally Checko, Now, what's Chehov's first night, Pavel pop Chekhov? Totally, totally. He's probably the biggest recipient of the redistribution of action in lines. So where are we here.

We've got Kirk and check Off together with turncoat Alien. We've got Bones and Spock and injured Spock and that who have commandeered one of the ships that tried to commandeer their tube. And because they got Spock, who is a fucking nightmare. If you're gonna have fight him hand to hand, man. He's gonna take you apart.

I love this version of Spock. I gotta say that they cultivated here where he's just a fucking badass in every direction. But how brilliant is it that they isolate as one of their sort of pillars of the movie, that they isolate McCoy and Spock together because they're natural, you know, they rub each other the wrong way. You know that's historically been the case. What if we slice the bread before we sell it.

I just I love I. Can't say enough good things about Carl Urban. I feel like he is the secret weapon of all of these Kelvin Timeline movies. I love him doing McCoy. I think he's just about perfect.

Oh yeah, no question. All their stuff together is a delight, considering how introspective Spock is during this entire scene where he is effectively wounded and out of it and at the same time has been harboring feelings of giving all this up anyway, And it doesn't seem like every part of the adventure is just confirming that he should probably stop doing this. Oh that's why I want to quit. I'm sitting here with the big hunk of metal embedded in my gut. There you go, with this cranky Southerner from Earth who won't shut up.

Yeah, but it's great. I love their part of the adventure a lot. And then we get I mean, Sulu and Uhura are basically captured. We experience the villains through their captivity. Basically, we get to see what they're up to, if not why they're up to through them and all that stuff's good for me too, Like, I think that's really good, except you know how it turns out.

Yeah, this is the central figure at the center of the sorry cut that out, the central figure at the heart of this puzzle of what's happening. Yeah, that it falls apart. But stuff is just like I said, and into darkness. When I didn't know what was happening, I was really into this. Which got a chuckle for me.

We mentioned that last time. It sounds like such faint praise to me. When I didn't know what was going on, I loved it. But it's really true here, like they give us an info dump at the end, and it's like it's the worst thing to do because it just I mean, we'll get there and talk about it, but it's the worst thing to do because it just introduces information when it's no longer valuable to us. But because they did it that way, I maintained that I can enjoy this movie for really most of it when it when I don't think about what's actually at work here, I find it to be a delight stuff.

Even that they're giving Sulu nothing to do at least what his plot line works for me. There's great action that carries the movie along for long stretches. They're like, it's again, they're going at that first contact idea of everybody's on a parallel search for answers and trying to figure out how to get off this planet. And it's all very interesting and and Krawl as a villain, as you said, it's he's interesting until he's not anymore. And they really try to explain who he is because he's actually quite terrifying up to a point because he's they don't really get into the whys of how he operates in his powers, but it apparently involves him being some sort of energy vampire because he grabs you and sucks your life force out of you and that rejuvenates him.

And it's very there's there's a scene where he grabs two crew members who are hung up by their feet and forcibly takes their life for us, and it really is a scary moment. Yeah, And it takes a while when he does that because that's the big presentational moment, so we know he's doing that, But every other moment he seems to be like running down the hallways and just grabbing a hold of somebody. And draining their life for us, because it'll literally be like he ran around a corner and then they turn and there's a dead crew member, and oh he's been through here. So yeah, he's got a variable speed when it comes to energy sucking, and his. Appearance changes, bait.

I presume based on how low his energy reserves are. That's not fully explained at all. None of this is honestly explained. I mean, we'll get to what their explanations are, but it's precarious at best. So my favorite part of the entire movie is just like in the last Star Trek movie, Scottie who has launched himself in a fucking torpedo to get off of the Enterprise and then it gives himself the fucking Indiana Jones moment where he has to jump from the cliff, which was great, and then he meets Jayla played by Sophia Boutella, who is a non native also stranded on the planet.

Also has also recognizes the Starfleet emblem immediately and leads Scottie off to what we find out to be the old USS Franklin from Starfleet History. Yeah, the character of Jayla, first of all, I like her a lot and I think she brings a lot to the movie because she's just a great action hero in a funny way. We talked a lot about Big Trouble Little China and how Wang is really the hero of the piece. She's the hero of this because she was her family was also wiped out in the same fashion, and she escaped from Krawl's lair, from his base of operations, and she's been secretly repairing the Franklin and living on the Franklin and scavenging and surviving. And she's a wonderful, awesome character.

But what I loved is in some of the trivia on IMDb when apparently when Simon Pegg was writing the movie, he the name he gave this character was character who's like Jennifer Lawrence in Winter's Bone, and so that's where the name Jayla comes from. It went from that to Jay Lawrence to Jayla, So this is basically his ode to Jennifer Lawrence in Winter's Bone. And I love that bit of trivia. That's interesting and I'd say, what might have been having actually Jennifer Lawrence play the part, But then Sophia Boutella is so fucking perfect in the role. My favorite role of hers so far, and I really liked her in that Kingsman movie with her with her bladed legs.

Yes, she's great. And because I believe she's French, she has enough of an accent that she's very believable as an alien character who has learned English, who is very capable and can pick things up, I thought, And she looks great. The look of her is fucking fantastic, that white and black sort of zebra, but with the design ideas, you. Know, it's great. And in contrast, I thought, Krawl oftentimes reminded me of somebody from the Captain EO movie, that Michael Jackson Disney thing.

I didn't really love his makeup at all, although if I'm being charitable, you never ever know that it's Idris Elba under that makeup. He is completely unrecognizable. Yeah, I think I had heard that Deadris Elba was in the movie, and then I sat in the theater watching it, and when it was finally revealed, I went, oh, wait, that's been Hedris Elbert the whole time. What do you know about that? It's a little like Oscar Isaac when he played Apocalypse, that there's just so much makeup piled up on the shoulders and north of there that it becomes vaguely human under it.

Yeah, he does a great job under all of that makeup. But I just didn't find that alien makeup to be. All that great. No, certainly not in comparison to Jayla Oh. By the way, she was perfect.

Had they made that fourth film, then she could have just Tanken Anton Yelkin's place. Sorry, she's just so good. Sorry to be so mercenary about it, but she's a great character. And I would have liked to have seen her on the bridge of the Enterprise. She could have been she I mean, because she know in connection with Scotty, I mean, she makes it possible for them to escape ultimately.

And she there's action scenes with her that are just incredible, these long takes where she's doing this like krav Maga something. She looks amazing. Yeah, with they're fucking staff and she's just kicking the shit out of people. I loved it. I love her.

She's great, fantastic. Now she's one of if I had to boil down with top three or top five things I loved about the movie, my favorite things, she would. Be up there. Okay, so everyone needs to get together and love one another. Right now that the movie is at least the plot is, let's get everyone back together and figure out how way to get off of this planet.

The subplot of Kirk and checkof when they have to go back to the Enterprise Saucer section as an action sequence is as good as anything they've done in any of these movies, and actually achieves the scale that I keep I think they kept going for by having spaceships crashing into buildings in the previous movies. When the Saucer gets reignited, the pilot lights get lit on all of the Saucer retrojets there and it starts to lunge up and they start sliding down. Oh my god, what a fucking amazing scene. It's fantastic, And the whole thing with Kirk, it's a very improvisational situation for him because he's got to get to the saucer section. Ostensibly he's trying to use the scanners to find the rest of the crew members, but he also they've hidden this artifact from the very beginning, this diplomatic artifact that now figures into Krawl's plan.

He needs this thing, so it's a little too coincidental. It's it's let's not be James Bond and just have a one off opening sequence that doesn't tie into the rest of the thing. Let's tie it into the rest of the thing. Except the tying in is so clumsy. It's not good.

But they have to get back to the Enterprise because he's hidden it somewhere. And that's when you learn that this alien that was originally part of the distress call is actually involved with the main villain and she's a villain too. But the whole thing, Kirk's got to figure out, like how to deal with this because now all of a sudden there's other enemies that are swarming them on the ship. And that's when he decides to, as you said, ignite the pilot light and just to try to get out of this situation. And it's great.

I mean, Chris Pine is fantastic in this. I mean I liked him and I thought he was one of the best things about the last Maybe not the first one he's a little too smartmy but I certainly the last two. He's great. This is Captain Kirk right here. This is exactly what I wanted from a new Captain Kirk and a younger adventurer situation.

And it really does feel like while we're watching the movie that everything that they were hoping for in the previous two movies just my fan service they finally achieve here, which is, we've now known these people enough that we like them and were ready for them to begin adventuring. Like if after this movie they wanted to do a Star Trek two scenario where one of our leads dies, we would probably buy it, but they wanted to rush there. Unfortunately, I don't know, it's a sense of melancholias. I'm watching the movie because they finally get it right as to what their idea with what the Kelvin version of Star Trek actually is, which is half at least half popcorn action, straight up entertainment, and then some philosophy in there.

I mean, it's completely sad because I believe Anton Yelkin died about a month before released. This movie in part is dedicated to him. So even before it released, they very publicly said we're not going to recast Chekhov. It's just not gonna happen. So you knew this coming out was the last hurrah for this group of actors.

It would be It would have been very difficult for them to make another one. I'm not gonna say it would have been impossible, but they were steadfast. They weren't going to recast Chekov coming into this. No matter how much you loved it or hated it, you knew that this was going to be the last of these movies. And it was a real shame because, as you said, they hit their stride.

With this one big time. Let's get a timeline thing going everybody. Why not let's have a let's have a monster rally of a Star Trek movie with pull in everyone from every fucking franchise, and let's see what happens. What do you think some Deep Space nine folk and some Voyager folk, and some old Enterprise people and some strange New worlds Let's put them in a blender and get the Kelvin people in there as well. That would I mean, that might be a bridge too far that I think, because you think about it, all the decades and decades of Star Trek TV shows, especially, there's ones that I can't even think of right now because they came and went so quickly.

You mean Phase two, Phase two? I mean, I don't think I'd never watched Discovery. That's the one with Scott Dakula. Right, No, that's Enterprise, sir, that's Enterprise, which this story eventually echoes that one a little bit. They make a reference to some of the early Enterprise's exploits here pre Federation, which is when that show is set.

Okay, so are you advocating you think maybe that that could have worked if they just brought everybody back and made a big like. I'm saying they should know. I'm saying now that everything is up in the air over there at Star Trek and they've got a fucking right wing goon running everything, then I think that the least he can do is allow for a monster jam of a Star Trek movie where we get everyone involved. I want to see Jane Way on a frigate marshaling horses that include characters from all the different franchises. I know I'm fan fictioning right now.

I don't care. I'm due. I how many Star Trek movies have we talked about here? I'm telling you this is what that needs to happen for the future of Star Trek. We need to get something where we bring back everyone's favorites, and they need to understand that our favorites are not just the original series or those old scientists as they called them over they're on at lower decks.

But I just keep alluded to this earlier. But how what is the secret code for a lasting Star Trek you know? Property? Oh, I don't care. I want a one off.

I'm talking about a one off here. You just want to one off. I want something with that will last and become like a reliable and fruitful series. No, I don't think so. I think we've had a lot of reliable and fruitful series.

I think we should get a random bunch of Star Trek adventures at this point. Give me you know it wasn't was it Ryan Johnson who was like this close in twenty twenty to making his own standalone SNAr Trek adventure and then they went, oh, we're going to do another adventure with this previous cast, and then that never happened. Yeah, I don't remember. I, like I said, the actual the macket machinations behind the scenes, I have no insight into any of that. God damn you, HP, What do I pay you for?

Sorry, I'm the everyman. I'm the one who comes in and says, this is a good movie. Is this a bad movie? Okay, let's go with it. Gotcha that makes you?

Ebert? I guess, I guess? Remember was it was? It's a willow. The dragon was called eber Cist.

The Yeah, that also included General Kale, named after New York Times critic or New Yorker critic Pauline Kale. Yes, it was all you know, the sour grapes thanks to George Lucas well. It held There was a time when critics like Siskel and Ebert held such swim a that they could, you know, they could be mocked in that fashion. They stood there emperors, thumbs down, kill this film, Let's enjoy its blood. Which you know, if you ever go back and rewatch any of their old reviews that I do from time to time, there's nothing They're not like Rex Reid, who took I think relish in slamming a movie and being creative about his critique.

They were just like, hey, I like this movie because of A, B and C, and I didn't like it because of X y Z. Like you know, sometimes I hated this movie, but I will profit from a book about my hatred of that movie. Nice. Nice, where we've got the saucer undone. We've got Krawl and his people.

He's sucking energy. We've got oohua. Is she trackable? She might be. I liked that.

Actually it was clever he giving her a piece of Vulcan that emits a particular radiation that can be tracked. Loved it. But it's but the way, it's so subtle, because what happens is when they arrive at the Yorktown for a little R and R, they make it clear that they are they've broken up Spock in Ahura, and she's going to give him back the necklace that was his mother's, and he says, no, it was a gift. You keep it and you forget about it. And then that that comes back because it's got that specific radiation that only came from Vulcan.

So that's what they used to track her and find out where the base of operations for Crawl and his minions are. But before then, first of all, I like the hollow emitters that are disguising the Franklin from view because the Franklin, let's face it, it's just sitting on top of a mountain and anyone on this planet could just look up and go, hey, is that ship viable? We could maybe use that. Yeah, So she's because they ask like, why how could you have been here all these years and not be detected? And it's I mean, it looks a little good.

She when I think that's just to show the audience how it works. But yeah, it effectively makes her home, her base of operations invisible. And she also has I love when movies do this. She has that thing that it's that you say it in like total recall that can make it look like you're coming from different directions. It's like a hollow duplicator that I mean the signs of.

It's a little wonky here the way they use it, but I always love when they do stuff like that. Absolutely some snake pliskin Escape from La. Shit, Yeah, let's they use it in that too. I forgot about that. Yeah, a hollow doubler.

Yeah. Jla is big on survival, including using holograms to her advantage, which you know, I really liked. And Jayla is a connoisseur of classical music. Classical here being twofold, we not only get the return of the Beastie Boys, but we get to fight the power by a public enemy. She likes the beats and the angry words.

Yeah, And I like that because they did use sat atage in the very first movie this, you could maybe think of this as a bit of callback to that. But I love the fact that they when it's introduced, one of the characters, I think it might have been scotty'says, is this classical music? Like they're actually acknowledging that this may only have been like a ten year old song by this point or more. But for them, these characters, it's ancient history. It would have been like classical music.

To us, it's four hundred years old probably at that point. I love that. Actually, that's Bone says, is this classical music? And Spots is yes, I believe it is, like Okay, good, thank you for finally saying something. Yeah, it was a clever way to get out of that situation because they needed to break the hive mind.

So, because that's the ship's biggest strength the enemy ships is they can all attack as one, So they use the jam effectively. They jam at using this loud, abrasive music that they're not used to in the future, and I thought it was a great sequence. Yeah, it's way more effective than it had it been used in the first movie. But I'm glad they did because watching Captain Kirk light up at hearing the song, I thought it was worth it. That's a payoff, everybody see.

That's like having khn in Space Seed and then years later Con shows up and it's, oh my god, no, not Con. It's a payoff, and it worked. It for me. It worked at that point the movie was still going gamebusters. So Kral he wants the mcguffin device from the opening scene that he was trying to give to these tiny aliens.

Yeah, he's known about the device, I guess for decades and plans to use it against the Federation. He keeps talking about the Federation in a very familiar way. In fact, I think when he grabbed hold of Kirk he called him Kirk, which I don't think that made any sense. But anyway, he's been tracking them, that's the whole thing. Like he was stealing the ship's logs without them knowing.

So I'm okay with that. That's how he knew who Kirk was. Okay, I take that. But my point is he's got all of these ships and he wants to destroy the Federation, but he's been waiting for this doomsday device thing. His ships are pretty fucking devastating.

His swarm seems almost unstoppable when you think about it. If they hadn't figured out that they need to jam their thing, he could have gone and really just decimated the York Town in moments. It would seem like, look what he did to a ship of the Line. Yeah, I imagine if all of those ships, just like you said, attack the Yorktown without this Doom's Day device, they would turn that space station into Swiss cheese in no time. Because there's hundreds of thousands of these ships.

There's so many they look like a cloud just moving amorphously through the sky. Well, they think there are like three solid objects approaching, and meanwhile it's three Fealanxes of these millions of little swarm ships. It's unreal. Yeah, I don't I agree. I don't think he needed that doomsday device.

At the end of the day, this is how does any ship of the line. If the Enterprise can't handle it, how's any other ship in the fleet going to handle it? Yeah, it's just silly anyway. Okay, So he's been waiting for this doomsday advice. Now he's got the doomsday device, and we've got to get off planet somehow.

I'll wait. I know, the USS Franklin just sitting there ready to be powered up and flown away kind of makes me wonder why the original occupants didn't just do the same. But I guess they didn't have Scottie. Yeah, and it seemed a little odd. It just seems unbelievable that di lithium in that ship.

I mean, the ship is three hundred years old at least. And you were just meant to believe that it's a hundred, isn't it. No? I think they said it's one hundred years. He no, he was around when the original enterprise was around, which is about one hundred years ago.

I thought they said no because he fought in the Zindi War that we find out that was original Ara enterprise. So put that three hundred. I don't know where I got that three hundred number. Let's say it's one hundred years still in all one hundred years of not of just sitting being part of this rock wall. What is he doing?

I just don't see how this thing could still be it could still work, at least the Franklin. At least they acknowledged the idea that look, this ship was never designed to take off from a planet. This ship was built in space. It was never designed to do this, and that becomes its own cool sequence because they have to. They've got to break free of this rock wall and go straight down and let the inertia, you know, the speed of their fall create lift, which was which is awesome.

I thought it worked well, but it doesn't change the fact that it's just flat out unbelievable that this ship could make it out of the atmosphere. Or be as maneuverable or as overall just workable or. This is I thought of this as more watching this, and I thought of you specifically fought them alone, because being sometimes as a stickler as we are for absurd realism. Is they get out of the atmosphere and all of a sudden they realize that there's no air, like how do they have oxygen in this thing? Like I there's so many unanswered questions.

They could have gotten out of the planet's atmosphere and all of a sudden just died because there's no more oxygen. It's ridiculous. Scottie. We did seal up all the bulkheads before we turn it into orbit didn't I well outain, you know. Yeah, we got the final decompression moment in these Star Trek movies where the entire bridge crew of the Enterprise is sucked out into space at the end.

That's it. It would have been a very abrupt ending, but I won't put that aside. It's in the name of heroism. They get off the planet, they sure do. I love the look of the Franklin.

The Franklin my design looks like the early Enterprise design, which is more flat. So you got saucer and body of the ship directly behind the saucer, and then then the cells just lifted up just slightly. It's almost a reliant feel, like a flipped over a reliant, which makes me really like it. But everything I didn't like about their design for the Enterprise I like about the Franklin designer. Yeah, but it makes sense because as what we find out, and we're going to get to this, I guess we can maybe just talk about it, is that Krawl was actually he was actually Captain Edison.

He was the captain of the Franklin. But prior to that, before the advent of Starfleet, it was a much more militaristic organization. Can I just say that they named the captain Captain b. Edison and then we only get to meet him in flashback here at the end of this movie. How dare they waste that name?

Balthazar is an they couldn't name somebody hieronymous or something. It just seems like such a like a Willy Wonka type name. But but the look of the ship, like we're meant to understand that after Starfleet's organization that they a sea changed happened culturally, and. Well, the Federation is what happened. Starfleet was Starfleet, and then the Federation came in and said, hey, we are not a military organization.

You guys are explorers. We're now part of a greater galaxy. And some people who had been fighting in the Romulan Wars and the Zindi Wars were not maybe suited to peacetime. Yeah, and that's where qual comes in, or Captain Edison in this case. But the point I'm making is that the utilitarian design of the Franklin I think suits the idea that this is maybe the first generation retrofit of a military vessel into an exploratory type of vessel, because it's very flat, and beige, and it makes sense.

But on the face of it, talking about Captain Edison, I don't mind the idea that, you know, he's an old war horse who is never gonna, you know, caught into the idea of becoming just an ordinary captain of a ship, and that drives some of his obsessions. But at the end of the day, it still feels a little bit like a con type character where he, you know, time has passed him by and he's this sort of savage individual who is fighting, you know, against a world that has passed them by. You know, we just did Admiral Marcus and the militarism versus exploration aspect of the Federation in the previous movies, so I'm not sure why we're revisiting it here as a motive. I don't know why the entire Federation has to be punished again.

I don't understand any of the mechanics of anything that happened on this planet where they crash landed on the planet and then found ancient alien technology. Those are the swarmships and the drones that run them, who are just waiting around for a new leader, I guess, and then they find this technology that extends their life, but it turns you into an alien. But they're cool with that because they get to live forever. And then he waits for somebody else to go find that artifact for one hundred years, and they're just feeding on anyone who is who comes through that nebula that they can knock out of orbit and take their stuff. At which point was he going to put his plan in action?

It's like you mentioned Big Trouble Little China earlier, Like, at what point you're going to find the girl egg or rather Lopan like, Dave, I don't think you've been trying hard enough. And we can we know from Jayla that this is not that there have been many ships that have been lost to crawl on this planet. Why is this only the first time that the Federation is becoming aware of It's like the Bermuda Triangle in that sector, ships go in and they never come out. Wouldn't somebody at some point say, hey, let's try and figure out what's happening here, Like we're losing an awful lot of ships. In this If the York Town, this space station on steroids that has a million people on it, is that close, nobody has sent anything in.

If New York Town basicallyn't part of this plot line, then it would be fine. It would be like the Brier Patch in Insurrection, Like it's just an unexplored part of space, and that's the story we're telling here. But the fact that it's the proximity of this fucking massive Federation outpost and they don't know what's over on the other side of that thing is absolutely insane. It's so close that they don't even have to drop into warp to get there, so they can just get there. I mean not to be a total geek about this, but if they can reach it from the Yorktown under impulse power, that, to me, it's like a drive to another state.

Basically here in the US. It's not that far. It's remarkably close. And for them not to like to establish like this huge, delicate space station on the verge of some unknown you know, anomaly that is potentially deadly, is beyond me. It's irresponsible.

And the thing is, like I said, the up until the moment of Revelation, I was thoroughly enjoying everything that was happening in this movie, even the unexplained portions. I was just like We've got just this alien villain who can do these things and has a grudge against the Federation for some reason. Okay, maybe they built a yorktown too close and kept him up at night, you know, with their construction for all those years, like it could be anything, you know, and they want this moment of oh my god, it's the Federation themselves. It's their own crew who have turned into these things. And it leads the exact same amount of weight as finding out that the Sona and the fucking the people on the planet are the Yeah, the Baku are the same people.

Oh yeah, okay, cool, the same weight as I am Khan, Like, yeah, okay, cool. It has no bearing on anything we're doing here, but good for you. And the means by which Ohura discovers who Captain fre really is so unbelievable to. Me, because, I mean, the monitor just coming to life and playing the final moments of. And it's such a leap for her to see this little bit of looped action where it's just a bunch of soldiers we're going, yeah, finally are and way in the background and you don't even see his face until she enhances the picture or something like you can see Captain Franklin or Captain Edison's back there, and then she makes this leap of I don't know how because krawl looks nothing.

Like nothing like wait, that's him. How do you know that? I don't get it. But even then, so then she finds these captain's log entries basically where Edison makes his motivations a little more clear, where it's like a, you know, we are right now, we've been here for whatever, and where loop you know, we don't have any food, but we figured out this thing. Even that, they could have explained a lot by having maybe one or two more entries where you can see his visage start to turn into this weird alien be steal look.

But even then they don't go into that, like it would have made so much more sense if you see him progressively getting worse and worse in he's captain's log entries, but they don't. He just bemoans the fact that the Federation has abandoned them in his opinion on this stranded on this planet. But it doesn't help to explain the alien technology that kept him alive and the changes that it wrought on his bodies and those of his crew. And he's basically speaking like an alien when they first arrive, and you know, it's all guttural and other phrasing, and you forgot to speak English in the past one hundred years. I don't think that's possible.

You seem to be speaking it regularly with your crew. So what's that all about. It's preserving the fucking mystery of who gives a shit. It's just at the end of the day, there are, like you know, there are enterprise sized holes in the plot that just cannot be explained a way that again, it lends credence to what you said about the fact that this movie was being rewritten on the day of I just feel like this is maybe the best that Peg and Company could do. And that's fine.

If it's a choice between not getting the movie made and making these concessions of logic, I guess I'm okay with it. But it doesn't make those lapses in logic any easier to stomach. If this movie ended when the Franklin bursts through the yorktowns, I don't know that giant fountain. So we get by the way, we get our submerged starfleet craft here, and it makes sense in this case but when they come out and stop the three ships with their own saucer section and slammed down, I wish the movie had ended right there. It's fantastic.

What a great moment because it sacrifices itself so that these ships can't go through that. It's great, it's awesome. Could we just cut from there to her trying to give Kirk his vice admiralty and spot coming to the realization that he needs to stay because it's here where the movie goes completely wrong. It's here where we get all of the fucking exposition dump of who this guy is before this clumsy fist fight. It's not a clumsy fist fight.

The ending is just as exciting as everything else. It's just so tainted by all of this revelation that's supposed to matter to us. That they've given us somebody a name. Remember in kill Bill where they reveal the bride's name is Beatrix Kiddo And I was sitting in the theater having the same reaction to this, and what does that mean? Do I know Beatrix Kiddo from some other property that you're not telling me?

Because it doesn't hold any weight at all. Quinton, No, the other problem I had with the ending the fist fights in the handy hand stuff is whatever. But the problem is do they end up ejecting Captain Edison through this whatever? They foil his plan by sending him into space with the Doomsday device, with the Doomsday weapons. So in my min what the hell now this thing is floating through space.

Someone could find this thing, however unlikely, but it's not like they disarmed it or destroyed it. It's still there. Someone could find it and use it. See if they had kept these movies going two or three movies from now, Karl could come back as some sort of super weapon like hybrid thing and we can have some actual stakes with revenge going on in this universe. I just it felt not thought through, you know, like, Okay, you foiled the plot, but at what cost?

Like when will this weapon rear its head again? Another in fifty years, one hundred and fifty years, somebody somewhere is going to become aware of the legend of the Doomsday Weapon and they're going to try to find it. And now another movie comes out of it. You know, HB Are you familiar with the concept of the mirror universe? Of course it Spock with the beard, of course I am.

I don't actually have anything. I just wanted to bring it up one last time. My favorite one that you brought up was instead of Voyage or Seeker. Conquer speaker the Conqueror. Yeah.

But unbeknownst to you, father Malone, and you might want to cut this out, I don't. You can do with it, which you will. I did some research on the Mirror Universe stuff that you quoted, and the only sources I could find for all any of this was the Star Trek online video game. Yeah, that's where a lot of this comes from. So, but that's not canon.

It all counts, It all counts. No, you were taking a Star Trek everything. Star Trek is canon, my friend. Everything. That's why it's so frustrating when they do things like the Kelvin Universe, because this is all this all matters.

There's this Look, we're not Star Wars. Okay, we're not just going to say the last jed I didn't exist. Let's get a fund go fund me together and get a new movie made about it. No, the Kelvin Universe exists. Star Trek five exists.

All of those books, those terrible books from the seventies. All of that is canon. That's fair. I was disappointed on a personal level because I was hoping to read the book or a graphic novel, and I come to find out some. Of them are in comic books.

Actually, some of them are in the comics. You should check out some of their what if comic books because that's where a lot of the Mirror Universe stuff actually comes from. All right, maybe I'll look a little harder. You won't. I will I look hard enough to figure out the Star Trek online business.

Okay, I think we've done it here. We're getting Commodore Paris trying to get Kirk to go take a desk job somewhere, and he's, oh, man, I got to get it back there and explore. We've got to go past that nebula and figure out what's out there. Yeah, but in fairness, it wasn't her. He's the one who came to her and said, yeah about that vice admiral job, is that still open?

I'm not blaming her. I think she's doing her job. Man. I love it. I love Commodore Paris.

You can tell that she didn't want to lose a good captain, but she doesn't want to lose him altogether, so she's yeah, the Vice Admiral position is yours if you want it. I'd like to see some of the admiralty actually doing Starfleet shit here and not just trying to fuck everything up like everyone else here in the Kelvin universe. That might be the only thing that we haven't really been focused on as far as a movie or whatever. Or maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it has something that's away from the fleet, away from that, like the actual diplomacy and intrigue that I think would be really interesting to focus on that for a series of Star Trek movies or show or a show or something. You know, behind the scenes of what happens, but behind all the daring do and the action.

Look, they can go any fucking direction. There are so many stories to be told in this universe, and the next one ought to be a monster rally just saying. A Kaiju movie. No, you know what, how about a heist movie. We haven't really done that.

I guess they try to do that without Post thirty one, but who cares? That was terrible? But yes, how about a Star Trek heist movie. How about a Star Trek the thing movie? You know like First Contact, where it's all Enterprise, it's all Borg, it's all fighting deck to deck, you know, like, I'm down with that.

A full on war movie. I'm good with that too, as long as it's a Star Trek war and it's not just we like seeing things blow up, because come on, man, you got to give us something. We need some philosophy here where we wear our Delta badges with pride. There you go. But yeah, I'd love to see I mean, I love heist movies no matter what the context is, so I would love that.

I mean, they did that kind of with Solo on the Star Wars side, but that would be awesome if they could do something on the Star Trek side too. Don't you want to see that? I mean, you know what, I don't need the crew of the Enterprise to do it. Now, I am now fully advocating to leave Kirk and crew alone unless you're going to continue the missions on TV with the Kirk and the spot that we have now because that guy. I like that guy a lot as Kirk.

But yeah, I think we've said it. I mean this, for as far as the Kelvin timeline, this is clearly the best movie of the three. Yeah. I mean, it has probably the worst motivation for a villain any of the movies, but everything leading up to that is so fucking good, including the villain himself, that I don't care. This is the best one.

If I'm going to rewatch anything, Kelvin, It's going to be this one, because I'm not gonna want to at any point want to throw my television out the window, which happened frequently with the previous two movies. So, given that this is maybe you were leading up to this yourself. But given that this is the end of yet another series of movies within the series, I thought we might revisit our our you know, our list of the best to the worst movies? Are you ready? R sixteen?

Lucky number thirteen? Number of movies? Here? What do we what's your number thirteen? HP?

My number thirteen is Final Frontier? Fair enough? Mine is Star Trek two thousand and nine. Oh okay, all right? You like you You disliked that more than you disliked Into Darkness.

Yeah, I fucking hate Star Trek. I can hate I can see the stumbles and Into Darkness, but it is a better movie overall, and I like the story that they're telling. Okay, all right, so your thirteen was it was Star Trek, the original Kelvin Timeline, the Abrams movie. Yes, okay, what's your number? Twelve?

Into Darkness? That's my number. That's my twelve as well. In Your Darkness. Number eleven generationis Nemesis.

Ooh, Nemesis versus generations. Look at that? Yeah, because I'll rewatch generations, but I'll never rewatch Nemesis. Oh no, I feel differently. I like a lot of Nemesis actually, oh with what data stuff?

And yeah, it's all listen, it's a nine. Yeah, I know it's all terrible. But I like seeing Romulins and I like I like the seeing the Enterprise e in action. I mean, this is all subjective. I like seeing I like seeing Riker and Troy doing their thing and then at the end when Riker's out in the briar patch and it's like fuck them up and then they like they blow that ship to pieces.

Good stuff anyway, A right, So that's eleven, right, yep, Number ten Top ten list. Number ten. I had the original Abrams Star Trek. This is two thousand and nine Star Trek. This is where I've placed Final Frontier.

Really okay. Interesting. Number nine Insurrection I did, oh insurrection? Wow, what do you know? He agreed?

Yeah. Number eight motion Picture. I had motion Picture at number eight too, Holy fuck. Number seven Undiscovered Country Generations. There you go.

Number six Star Trek Beyond. Oh. I had Search for Spock at number six. Yeah. Number five Star Trek Nemesis.

I liked it a lot more than you did. That's where I had beyond Star Trek Beyond. Oh okay, perfect, yeah yeah. Number four Star Trek three, the Search for Spock. Oh well, I.

Remember going through this the last time. I had Undiscovered Country at number four. I find that one strangely rewatchable. Number three Star Trek of the Voyage Home. Likewise, Voyage Home.

I think we're going to agree on the next two. Actually, number two Star Trek The Wrath of con. Con indeed, which, oh. My god, first contact is the fucking winner. How could that not be the winner?

I mean, that has it all, That is the most consistently rewatchable. It has the best interaction amongst the crew. They all get something to do. And it is the perfect balance of action and philosophy that makes Star Trek exactly what it is. Yes, we love the big ideas Gene, we want to meet the god that is a machine, but we also want to have fun while we're watching this movie.

And this is the perfect distillation of everything I love about Star Trek and the cast is fucking perfect and they balance everybody out. It's fun and it's funny without being silly. There are some genuine laughs in this and Riiker in particular has some great stuff. And James Cromwell is great and can't get any Borg man. It's got the Borg, you're not.

They will never create a better villain than the Borg. They're They're ultimately too good that they had to fucking finally destroy them in Picards season three. It's like the other day you had messaged about when the shot where you see the Borg like escape pod, jettison and without even missing a. Beat an intercept, course, Engage. Engage like you.

Patrick Stewart is just so good he makes it look effortless. It doesn't get any better than First Contact. Alis Cree as the book queen. All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for joining us here on Star Trek Fest. My God, it's at an end, but it never really ends.

The missions never really end. Because over on the Patreon channel, HP and I are continuing our Star Trek missions are away missions where we were supposed to look at all of the different Star Trek properties in the universe, but we keep making episodes about Shatner versus Nimoy. I don't know what's wrong with us, but eventually we get this some of our more favorite episodes of the series and books and comics. Maybe we'll do a Mirror Universe episode if we can just get past this blood sport that we are forcing Leonard Nayboy and William Shatner to engage, and we'll get on there. Until then, HP, where can people find you?

So? I co host the Night Mister Walters Taxi podcast alongside Father Malone. Here. I also host the Noise Junkies music podcast, and I have a bandcampsite hpmusicplace dot bandcamp dot com. As for me, you're listening to Midnight Viewing.

We're on twice a week. Every Friday is Father Malone's Weekly round Up. Father Malone's a Video round Up. Maybe it's it might be sticking around, I guess yeah. That's on Fridays.

Every Monday is a fest and our newest fest is a Von doom Fest. HP and I are taking the long and winding road that leads to doomsday by reevaluating all of the MCU movies. But we're doing it by theme because that's the only way you can do it, because there's two many, thirty eight fucking movies. So we're just gonna do it. My character, we're going to focus on an Iron Man episode and a Captain America episode.

On Doctor Strange, he's getting his own episode. I think it's warranted. I love the Doctor Strange movies. Spoken with authority. Sure, Okay, until then, ladies and gentlemen try to enjoy the daylight.