107: Like School in the Summertime

Tension breaker had to be done the following feature has been rated r by the motion picture association of america it is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised. Our nuclear reactor pumping out 1 million kilowatts of power. How could I possibly be expected to handle school on a day like this? What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. Once again, I am Brian, and this week I have a special guest co-host, none other than the charming Katie from Show Show.

Hooray! That's me! Woohoo! I'm sure many listeners are familiar with you, but for those who aren't, can you give them one of those dating game bios where you wrap up your entire life in three unrelated facts that She's a firefighter, she loves Chinese food, and she spends her free time playing chicken on the highway. Say hello to Katie!

Oh, man. Okay. If you got one of those, you know. I can, I mean, I don't really have, like, a standard issue one that I use. Actually, that's reassuring, because if you did, I would be kind of frightened.

I walk into every party I've ever been to with that as my introduction. Like, you have it recorded and just, you know. Oh, yeah, just like, she has no life and watches movies. One of her best friends is a jerk to her, and they do a podcast. Well, yeah, that's all true.

She's not super fond of Chinese food. It makes her stomach feel kind of queasy. But Sushi, yeah, she's all about that. And, yeah, here she is, this chick. They don't even bother saying my name, either.

Oh, yeah, that one girl. Yeah, the game shows are just... Oh, and here she comes again. Oh, well, we'll insert the applause right here. Because the crowd goes wild.

Give us extra time for the applause, you know, because.... I'm sure you're used to that. Yeah, totally. Wait for the applause to die down. Yep.

All right. Well, otherwise, you know, normally on most of our shows, we'll go ahead and get the ball rolling, you know, at least ease people into our geekiness with some sort of geek activities for the last few weeks. So if you want, I can start just to give you a chance to get yours in order. Yes. give you more time to fight with it. Thank you.

Coming off the holiday season as we were, I've actually had a little more downtime than usual, so I actually watched a couple of things, which sometimes is unusual. It's sad. I have... I did see Salt. Do you have specific feelings on Angelina?

I mean, I think she's, like, robotically pretty. Well, that's something. So there's that. I mean... She has a bunch of kids that she's collected, which is.

A whole litter. At least something to comment on, I suppose. I don't know, I mean, she seems like an alright person. I think she gets a lot of, I don't know, flack from everybody, but... I mean, I'm really excited to hear what you have to say, because, man, I still don't even know what the F that movie's supposed to be about.

See, okay, that was my problem going in. That's why I didn't go run out and see it in the theater, because they horribly mismarketed this thing with a terrible trailer. Like. It makes it look like another dumb action movie with Angelina, which, I mean, she does quite a few. Right.

But, yeah, I realized, you know, in watching it, a lot of people like to hate on Angelina, and I admit, I take my shots at her all the time. But then watching that, I remembered it's usually because of her public persona. It is her tabloid life, you know. So that's what we're bombarded with every day. So I think we get more of that, and that's what I like to make fun of.

But, yeah, I... In watching it, I realized, you know, when I finally sit down and watch one of her movies, I remember, oh, you know what? She's actually a good actress. And, you know, it's not that this role is going to be winning her any Oscars this year, but. Well, I mean, hey, now.

Nothing was announced yet. Well, you know, if she's going to win anything, it's for that stellar Golden Globe-nominated performance in The Tourist, so. Don't even get me... Oh, I'm... You want an enraged Katie for the show, you've got one.

Yes. All right, let's go. You love the tourist. All right. Good to know.

No. So, well, that was the thing. It's like, that's another one that was just weird, but that reminded me too, like of just as an actress, she's got such a weird career. It's like, who else can do like, actually turn in Oscar nominated performances and do all these serious, heavy dramas and then turn around and do like, like kicking action movies, you know, like back to back, almost one after the other, her entire career. And like, you don't see, you know, when's the next time you think you're going to see Kate Winslet, like, you know, kicking ass and kicking dudes in the head and firing heavy machinery.

No, really though. She's like, She's just growing up to be Meryl Streep, Kate Winslet, so that's definitely not the path that she's chosen. But you know what I think is funny when you're talking about weird careers, and I was just thinking this because I was watching the trailer for that movie that's coming out with Ashton Kutcher and Natalie Portman. And, you know, like, Portman's getting all this talk about Oscars now with the Black Swan thing. And then she's going and doing, like, crap movies that she doesn't need to do.

And I'm like, why is this happening? Like, this woman that everyone is saying is going to be, like, so good. Oh, my gosh, so good. Just the best actress ever. And now she's, like, wearing frilly things and bouncing around with Ashton Kutcher in this stupid throwaway movie.

I just don't get it. Well, I've thought that about her whole career. I'm like, okay, you were a small child and you were already turning in better performances than most people ever. So I'm like, you really don't need to work your way up through these crappy movies to good movies. Like, you started out pretty damn amazing.

Yeah. And then you kind of midway through started doing crap you didn't need to do. I'm like, you're really better than half your projects. Why don't you stop doing those? Yeah, it's just... bizarre, but Angelina Jolie was, like, good in salt, eh?

Um, yeah, I mean, it's one of those, and again, back to that trailer, that trailer just made it look dumb, and once you get into this, it's like, more so than her performance, I think you, because what she does performance-wise is actually just be a good action star, which is weird, you know, you never know what to expect going into one of her movies, but, I mean, she doesn't wuss out on any of this, she is a full-on... just spends half the movie kicking people in the head, climbing out the side of buildings, jumping off of moving trucks. And a lot of it, I mean, they show, like, a little documentary thing on the DVD, and a lot of it is actually her. Like, she's just kind of crazy. And, like, will, like, step up and do all this stuff.

So I almost give her credit as, you know, not phoning it in as a quote-unquote action star. It's like she kind of delivers on all that. But I think the part that they, like, totally don't, drop the ball on is giving you an idea that there's some sort of plot. Because I think it's kind of a cool little, like, it's this throwback to the Cold War and this, like, missing story of, like, you know, implanted spies and all that. So it's kind of an interesting story, even more so than, you know, you could almost do a more serious movie with it than they did.

They went the action route. But I think it's kind of an interesting way that the story goes. And I think that's what kind of kept me going is I like the– the direction that the plot takes along the way and the weird, it does have a lot of twists that it throws in there, but not really the like in night kind of versions that you expect. It's just stuff. Yeah.

It's nothing stupid. It's just along the way. You're like, Oh, okay. So now it's one of those, like let's complicate the plot by throwing all these extra characters doing weird things. But there are a few times where I'm like, okay, I didn't see that coming.

That's actually a decent way for them to go. I mean, had I known that I would have been much more inclined to go out of my way to see it. Yeah, and that was my, it's like, I didn't want to go run and see it at the theater. But for, you know, a couple of bucks on the DVD rental, it's worth sitting through. I got a lot more enjoyment out of it than I expected going in.

Now, like, say on your DVD shelf you had to put this somewhere next to Tomb Raider and Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Where would you put that on your shelf? In between? After both of them?

Before them both? I don't even know if I've finished watching Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but I know people like that one. That's one of the better ones, actually. Oh, that is a pleasure of mine.

I will totally admit that. Yeah, so that might be at the high end. I was never overly thrilled with the Tomb Raider movies, and I don't know that you can be, but I guess there are some people that are. So, yeah, I'd definitely put it above and a little smarter than the Tomb Raider movies, but I guess that's not saying much. It's really not.

So maybe sandwiched right in between there. Okay, sandwiched. I'll accept that answer. Yeah, so it's entertaining. It was a little more interesting than I expected.

Let's see. Other than that, I did watch No Way to Treat a Lady. Oh, what's that? It's 1968. It's Rod Steiger and George Siegel, a relatively young...

George Siegel. But it's funny because he still kind of plays it that same way. It's like if you've seen him in stuff as an older guy, his performance is always kind of that same way. He's just like a, you know, 26-year-old version of himself doing the exact same performance. He's probably a little older than that, actually, but...

They were trying to pretend, like... And that was the sad thing. It was like, he's like... He looks like he's about 30, but he's living with his mother. And, well, he's like a cop, though.

And I'm like, okay, you've got a job. For the love of God, get out of that house. Because his mother is horrible. And not just, like, as a character, yes, she's meant to be this overbearing mother. But on top of that, the woman who plays her is terrible.

Like, she is the most... obnoxious nagging and I know she's trying to vamp that up a little bit but on top of that I've seen her in other stuff she's actually really this annoying in the real world so yeah if you take her out of the movie it's kind of a fun movie to watch her scenes are almost excruciating to get through but But, yeah, it's kind of interesting. Rod Steiger plays this, and it's funny that it's 68, because it's kind of a serial killer movie, but it's played with sort of a light tone to it. It's kind of weird. He goes around killing these middle-aged women, and they're trying to piece together why, and it's still kind of questionable by the end of it, some of the stuff. Some of his motivations don't always make sense, but he's killing middle-aged women, and then he draws lips on their foreheads, After he drags him in the bathroom?

That's creative. I guess. At the time, I was like, okay, what are you doing? And then by the end of the movie, you're like, okay, wait. What the hell's going on here?

I mean, they sort of give reason as things pan out. But still, some of the basics, I think it's more of they turn it into this cat and mouse game. He's the killer, but by the second time around, he sees himself killed. getting, like, overlooked in the newspaper, so he wants to get more attention for it. So he starts, like, calling the cop, who is George Siegel, and, like, telling him, like, from the murder scene, he's calling him and being... And he puts on these crazy disguises when he does each one, so he'll call him as the character of the person he's playing.

So, like, one, he's, like, German or something, and he's, like, calls him with the accent. Wow, that's really bizarre. It's very strange. And it's... Sorry, so, like, as.

Far as, like, these lips on the forehead, is he drawing them, or is it, like, he's making them look like someone was kissing the forehead of, like, these victims? No, he takes a lipstick out of the, like, cabinet for the first one and just badly draws a set of... At first, you're like, what the hell is he doing? But then you realize, okay, he's trying to make lips with this lipstick. But, yeah, that's it.

It's not like an actual lip print, which would almost be more... creepy and make more sense I guess. Yeah I was like oh maybe that's what's going on but like. In a more perverted way but no this is just like bad you know grade school drawings okay but yeah I think that the most weird thing is the tone because they work in Lee Remick plays the the girlfriend's love interest whatever you want to call it for George Siegel so they like shift back and forth and they'll be like he'll be at like a murder scene killing her and then they'll be like oh, George Segal wants to go on a date with her. It shifts in this light tone to them having banter back and forth, and she's playing real coy and trying to be like, I don't need to go out with you anyway.

So it's really funny the way that it's just one of those, you get such a different tone from movies in different decades, so it's really weird looking at a serial killer movie From 68. Because, like, the creepier ones came in in the 70s when we had all these serial killers. And then by, like, the 90s, they're, like, you know, grim and disgusting. It's weird looking at one from 68. All right.

So, yeah, I'd say watch it. You like some of the older movies, so I think you'd be at least interested in it. Yeah, oh, I'm totally intrigued. It sounds amazing, so. I don't know that it'll change your whole outlook on movies, but it's a fun watch, so.

I'm confident that it will, and I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I'm kind of interested to hear your take on it. Other than that, the only other thing I was going to say, and this will come into tie-in later, yesterday Misty J and I ended up going to a flea market here, which is a huge, like, giant convention center-sized flea market. That's super geeky, and I assume that'll tie into our geek activities anyway. But I don't have much money, but what I found that I had to get, it was an actual children's Halloween costume from the 50s. that was still sort of intact of this vinyl skeleton mask.

And I realized as I saw it, I was like, okay, number one, it's kind of cool. It's this ancient version of a skeleton Halloween mask, but wait, on top of it, I started looking at it. I was like, wait, I had that. And I had like the years later, they kept cranking it out and doing the reissues of it and just doing like a cheap plastic version later. So they kept making the same mask, but I was like, wait, I had that one.

So I, I need to get this one now. Luckily, it was at least cheap enough I could actually scrape together a few bucks and get it. That's fine. I have this vintage 50s falling apart skeleton mask that I think will come into play later as we get into the icky horror obsession. I thought that was an interesting tie-in going into this week's movie.

For the most part. That was my geeky week. Any activities for you? Geek activities. I mean, I'm probably the coolest person I know, so everything I do doesn't really seem at all geeky.

You just keep telling yourself that. Yeah, I do. I did score a seven. Here's a geeky bit. I was like, oh, man, I can't think of one geeky thing.

And, yep, I'm looking at my apartment right now, and I'm surrounded by all this stuff. But I was able to score off of eBay. That's geeky already. It's going to be amazing. You're sitting down, so this is good.

Oh, yeah. A seven-inch of Steve Martin singing Dentist from The Little Shop of Horrors. Oh, wow. More than my excitement that, like, I scored this thing off eBay when it came, I, like, eked out loud with how excited I was. It's in perfect condition.

And then I was like, it's almost like no one ever listened to it. I heard myself saying, I was like, all right, well, I'm just going to put this on. I think you answered your own question there. How is it so perfect? But, I mean, I didn't even know they made seven inches of that.

It's like one of the most random parts of the movie, I think. I mean, all of those songs are amazing, but to put that on a 7-inch seemed weird. Are you kidding? All the rocking hits off that? They were on the top 40 that year?

I mean... You know. All those cool DJs were like, oh, next up we've got Steve Martin doing. And after that, we're going to follow it up with Somewhere That's Greek. Hey, that's a good song.

Oh, now they just have to play that cool musical career of Rick Moranis now. Aww. Well, you know, he's like a country star. That's what I was saying. He legitimately has albums now.

Because I haven't listened to, I listened to a couple of songs off that album, but I didn't listen to the full thing. I heard kind of good things about it, but maybe it was just the hype because they were like, hey, Rick Moranis made an album. Of all people to make an album and of all genres for you to head to, I don't know what to do with any of that. Yeah. Well, good for him.

Yeah, I suppose so. Whatever he needs to do. I wish he'd make some more movies, actually. Me too. I miss him.

He's so entertaining. Where has he gone? But he's done. When his wife passed away, he was like, nope, I'm not acting anymore. Oh, see, I didn't know he officially called it off.

I thought he was just taking a break. Yeah, no, he, and I think that's really the main motivation for when he did the album. It's kind of like a way, this like catharsis thing for him. But, yeah, I don't think he's coming back, or at least that's what he said. Well, that makes it really sad now.

Yeah, I know, right? Not only that he's gone, but for really terrible reasons. Yeah, it's a total bummer. But he might, you know, Michael Jordan it and come back, so. I'm retiring.

No, wait. Just kidding. Remember when I said that five times? Yeah, don't take me seriously at all. I just got another mortgage.

Time to reevaluate. Yep. But, yeah, so that was my geeky moment, I'd say. Yeah, you came through. That's massively geeky.

And I'm impressed. That's a good level of geekiness right there. Sad. Sad and impressive. What more can you ask for?

All right. Well, if that is rounding out the Geek Week. Take a quick break, and then we'll be back with this week's movie. Excited. Hey kids, how would you like to hear this on the screen? instead of the great show you came to see?

That's what you sound like. Honest. Please cooperate and do your part in keeping this theater quiet so everyone, including you, can enjoy it. Remember, lots of adults and kids, too, paid admission to enjoy the show. we must insist on absolute quiet. Otherwise, we will be forced to evict all disturbance makers from the theater.

Those asked to leave today will be refused admission to this theater in the future. Thank you. This is the movie that Rex Reed called the most horrifying motion picture I have ever seen. This film is positively ruthless in its attempt to drive you right out of your mind. This is the horror movie to end them all.

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre from New Line Cinema. Rated R. No one under 17 admitted without parent or guardian. Hi, this is. Famous Hollywood producer Robert Evans.

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I'm with Night of the Living Dead, and I'm listening to Movie Meltdown. The dead, they're all messed up. It's time for Sofa Theater. Mr. Shoop.

Oh, Mr. Shoop. Congratulations. You've been chosen to teach summer school. Ah, shoot.

If only I'd known sooner. We're going to Hawaii. May I remind you, Mr. Shoup, you're up for tenure. You want a job next year?

Oh, come on, Mr. Gills. Look, we got lays on and everything. You'll be teaching remedial English. Remedial English?

Look, I ain't no English teacher. See? Double negative. No, I hand out basketballs, check for jockstraps. I'm, like, very challenged.

No, I'm not a real teacher. That's all right. These aren't real students. They're unmotivated, irresponsible, not too bright. They'll relate to you.

I appreciate that. No, no, look, the only reason I got into this whole teaching gig in the first place is to get my summers off. No, I'm afraid my answer has to be no. No thank you? Bottom line, Mr.

Shoup, you need my recommendation for tenure. This is blackmail. We call it school spirit. I've got a pretty girl who loves me a lot. I've got a fast car that looks real hot.

I've got a fine pad or stereo and I judge you well in the school. I go, go, go, go, go, but I'm happy. I'm happy though. The world is upside down. Man, I'm looking over the cast list for Summer School, and it, oh, man.

Epic, is it not? It's just like, wow. All right, so we're back. This week's Sofa Theater feature is Summer School. The year is 1987, director Carl Reiner.

The plot, and I'll tell you now, I didn't write this. There were several of them. They were all really bad, and I went with the first one, and I had to take about half of it off. So, anyway, it says, A high school gym teacher has big plans for the summer, but is forced to cancel them to teach a bonehead English class for misfit, goof-off students. That's a little harsh, I think.

That was accurate. I mean. Granted, some of the basics are accurate, but it's a little harsh. So a big spoiler alert. If you've lived a sad life and you've not had the opportunity to bask in the joy of summer school, well, get out there and do it.

Otherwise, we're going to, you know, I'm assuming, kill all the clever, twisty plot points in this movie. You know how serpentine this movie is. We don't want to ruin it for you, so it's fair warning. So before we get into our thoughts on the movie, it is time for. One from the vault.

Our ongoing series where we delve into the vaults of an actor and we get to hear their thoughts on a specific movie. This time around, we hear from, well, let's be honest, the man who makes this movie, in my opinion. Dean Cameron, who you may know as Chainsaw. But yeah, as far as the summer school. I think that was sort of, especially for like this crowd, it is such a defining character.

And even, you know, me as a kid sitting there, it was kind of a, I don't know, it was just sort of comforting to know that, you know, even if he was somewhat fictional, there was this other kid out there that was sort of a movie geek to the level that I was. I mean, is it something that you drew from something specific or? Well, everybody has an obsession about something. So. I mean, I had a month before we started shooting the movie, so I watched every horror film I could.

And this is 86, so it's a. Little more difficult. Everything wasn't on VHS at the time, so I had to do some scrounging and called in some favors. And Texas Chainsaw Massacre wasn't out on video at that point. Like I said, I called in some favors and actually got a copy of it on video and watched it over and over again.

But I became obsessed with horror films, and I am to this day a huge fan. And I think there was a. In the script of Summer School, there was a parallel. There was a. Whole subplot about the movie Freaks, and that was originally the movie we were going to show instead of Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

But for whatever reason, it wasn't in there. But there was this parallel with the movie Freaks, and the class where Freaks were outcasts and the movie Freaks. They were outcasts. And so I've always. you know in high school I was into drama and music and stuff and I grew up in a football town so I was an outcast and a freak and so I always had this kinship with the horror fans you know we are all in this together and there's this geeky band I like called Marillion and they have a song called Freaks that I really wanted to be in the movie anyway but they didn't use the Freaks. Thing it would seem fitting actually just parallel for the cast yeah definitely as far as that I mean that cast was sort of classic that group of people how was it as far as the shoot itself.

It was great it was my first feature film and I got. Completely spoiled because. Carl Reiner who directed it he was this classic worked with Dick Van Dyke and Sid Caesar and Imogen Koka he would only work from 10 to 6 and I thought this is great movies they shoot from 10 to 6 like a regular job I love this And yeah, because he said, there's no reason for you to kill yourself doing a movie, especially a comedy. It was all downhill from there. Yeah, this is setting you up for a big fall.

It really did. How was he as a director? Well, when he was sober and not on cocaine and not screaming at everybody, you know, no. I'm kidding. He was, I was, I was very fortunate because he looked me out of the loop.

And he didn't really let the other cast ad-lib much. And he was great. Because I did a lot of work. On the part. And he was great.

He saw that I cared and wanted to do a great job and was way into it. This story is on the web. I've told him a million times. But at my. Audition, he gave me.

At my last audition. He gave me this really bad piece of direction in there. And I looked at him, and I'm like, okay, well, it's Carl Reiner. I guess he knows something I don't know. And I did it, and it was horrible.

And he said, thanks, and left. And so I left, and I'm like, oh, that's weird. And I got the job, and so we're on set, and a couple weeks into the shoot, he goes, you remember that really shitty direction I gave you? Yeah, and he goes, I just wanted to see if you'd listen to me. Okay, cool.

So I direct stuff. I direct a lot of the stage, and... I do that occasionally with actors to see if they'll... What you want from an actor is when you say, jump, you want the actor to say, how high and where do I land? So that's a good trick.

Yeah, just a test to see if you have faith in them. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's definitely old school, you can tell. But no, I guess the ad-libbing works out, because you seem to kind of own the character even more than everybody else, I think. you, yeah, you definitely sort of tie the whole movie together. I think it is sort of what makes that movie.

Well, there was a lot of parallels. I mean, I was a class clown in high school and so I drew on a lot of what, you know, how I was when I was in high school. So big thanks again to Dean for talking to us and giving us his memories of summer school. So, With that, we'll move into our own sappy remembrances. So, Katie, I ask you, where would you like to begin?

I mean, I'd like to, how did you find Summer School? And, like, when was the first time that you watched it, I guess? It's pretty early on. I think it was relatively soon after it came out. I didn't see it originally in the theater, but it was definitely VHS, probably within a couple of years of it. either VHS or cable, but I'd say pretty early on.

Yeah. I mean, this is like, this was, this movie was my movie to watch with my sister when we were growing up. And it was just like, it was always on TNT or TBS at like the random, you know, like two 30 in the afternoon time when you're just like, Oh yeah, I don't know. We got no live. We got to, Summer school raised us, is basically what I can say.

I have many movies that, yeah, I have that. It was a really big part of my life, and still is, but it's just like, ah, well, we could start with this, too, because I was watching the Rose Bowl, and all of a sudden, we started talking about Mark Harmon, and about how he was like, the quarterback of the century pretty much for UCLA. And I was like, wait, you mean Mr. Shoop? And everyone's like, what are you talking about?

I'm like, Mr. Shoop. You mean Mr. Shoop was like a quarterback? And they're like, I don't know who that is.

But I was like, amazing. And I was like, no, no, he's a gym teacher. You can't talk to regular people is the moral of the story. I was like, that's Mr. Shoop.

They were very confused and It was like they were trying to steal it from me. They were trying to force sports into your heartwarming tale of growing up. Yeah, I was like, what? No. I don't care about sports.

He checks for jockstraps and hands out basketballs. I know what he does. I know what he throws. He throws tennis balls into the ocean. Or juggles.

Or juggles. When he's supposed to be teaching class. Ah, it just hurt my heart. Yeah. You were saying it raised you, and I actually, with this one, as we brought up when I was talking to him, to me, it really, like, I really, like, latched on to specifically, like, Chainsaw, if not the movie itself.

But it was kind of like the first incident for me of, like, full-on movie geek character, like, in a movie. I mean, there may be more if you go back in older movies. But for me, I really, you know, there were a lot of, like, computer nerds and stuff in movies in the 80s. But I don't remember anybody at that point that was a movie geek. Like, sitting there watching it, I was like, I'm like, shit, that's me.

I'm sitting there watching it like, I'm that dork. I dress like him. The horror t-shirts. His room kind of looked like mine. It didn't have all the horror prosthetics and makeup as him.

But the random horror movie posters and a straight eyeball sitting around. You know, I have all that stuff. So, it was really kind of weird. Like, at the time, it really kind of was, like, hopeful. Because I felt kind of alone in that.

And I guess now it's a little more widespread. But at that time, I didn't really know anybody else that was like this hardcore movie geek version, you know, like I was. So to see somebody, yeah, they were fictional. But it was kind of reassuring that I wasn't alone. There was some other geek out there that was equally as obsessed with movies and had severed hands sitting around his room.

I guess that's comforting. In a sad way, yes. Oh, I mean, yeah, totally. I mean, I wonder, I have to wonder how, I mean, because Chainsaw pretty much eclipses all the other characters in this movie. He really does.

Like, he owns the movie. And I just, I wonder how much of that is, like, his performance, or if it kind of, like, if his character did kind of, I don't know, grow into something much bigger than it was supposed to be initially. I don't know, but... I mean, when you say summer school to someone, that's the first character they think of. That's what he was saying.

Everybody else had to stick to the character. And I don't know if it was Carl Weiner. I mean, he just knows so much about comedy and could tell just how Dean is. I mean, he's just naturally funny and naturally sort of a smartass. Maybe, well, it plays so well to the Chainsaw character that the director kind of gave him license to kind of do his own thing.

A little more of him, like, thrown into the character. And everybody else had to stick pretty close to the way it was written. I think that's how it kind of played out. That makes sense. And that would probably also explain why Rockula was so bad.

I know you guys love that. Just stick to the classic brilliant script, okay? Don't stray from it at all. Or start rapping. That movie never happened in my eyes.

I think we're still going to go back and watch that one. I know, it's not as beloved as this one. No. So, okay, I have to ask you this, too. So you were so, like, parallel to Chainsaw.

I mean, how many pairs of cool dude sunglasses did you own? Well, before or after I wrote the letter? Hmm. See, he had all these friends and gave them all away, but I'm a dork, so I hoarded them all, and I lived off that box of cool dude sunglasses for, like, the next, you know, 20 summers. I mean, you're still wearing them now, right?

I've got them on right now. Okay, great. I've got it, well, that and my visor, because, you know, I figured I needed that cool Mr. Shoop visor while I did this, you know. Naturally.

You know, I was getting so upset when, and I don't know, like, what the style of those glasses are called, if they're called, like, shades or whatever they are, but, you know, like, Kanye started wearing those glasses. Yes. And everyone was like, oh, the Kanye glasses. And I was like, no, no, those are the cool dudes, okay? Like the ones with the lots in them?

Yeah, they look like blinds. Yeah. And everyone was giving him credit, like, oh, yeah, those are a big deal now because Kanye wears them. He's like, no, actually, that is not the case. Kanye's a hack.

He's a late adopter of freaking the cool dude shades. That's all he is. Leeches onto everything. I guarantee you he loves summer school. Fucking you're not.

I mean, that's what I realized going into this. I mean, watching again this week, cause we just had this just actually yesterday when I was sitting there, we were having this discussion about a Christmas story. And I don't know how you feel about that one, but we had this Misty had someone that she knows that hates that movie. And we're like, how the hell do you hate that movie? And then I was like summer school and I was, well, I have that same reaction.

I'm like, I'm watching it trying to, you know, I'm, I'm trying to be a professional here, trying to look at it objectively and find something to complain about if I needed to, but I can't. I can't find anything that's not likable in this movie. It's just so damn likable. It is. It's designed to be perfect.

It is. I was going to say, as far as a Christmas story goes, I mean, I think you can get worn out, but still, you watch the movie and it's like, okay, there's nothing to hate. about it. It's just good. I mean, TNT, should they really be showing it for 24 hours a day? Like the two days surrounding Christmas?

No, probably not. I like it because then I don't have to worry about catching it. I just turn it on and watch it like a time and a half and then turn it off and you know, I don't have to worry about it. So I like it. It makes it easier.

You can watch it whenever you want, but I don't know if it helps TNT. I don't know if they're getting a lot of constant viewing, but maybe just everybody hitting it at different times. I don't know. Maybe. I just, I mean, I have never understood that.

Well, it's funny that all of them are doing it now. Like last year, they started looping Christmas Vacation, and then one of the other ones. I mean, I wish they would do it with Scrooged, because I never... See, I think that... That's the movie they never play, and they should.

See, I think that was this year, because I don't think they did Christmas Vacation, but one of them played Scrooged, and I think they were playing it at least multiple times. I don't know if they looped it every. Day, but. See, you missed it. I missed it.

When are they going to start looping summer school? Yeah. That, that, see, that kind of was where I was going with it. It was like, you can get worn out, but they never with summer school. That's not a risk that you take because they never play it.

They used to, you know, when I was, it was like, Oh yeah, again, always on. Another reason I think I got so attached to it is over the years. It not only did I own a copy of it, but on top of that, We had cable at the house and every day I would turn it on and there it is. And once again, it's so likable. It's not like you're going to turn it off.

I mean, oh God, here comes my favorite part. At any point in the movie, you can be like, oh God, here comes my favorite part. Oh, that's kind of true. With the exception of like the Courtney Thorne Smith stuff is probably, not that I don't like it, but it's probably like my least favorite part. You know, her character's not really that intriguing to me.

That's because it's Courtney Thorne Smith. Could be that. No offense to her, but I've seen her in MIDI projects over the years now, and she's never really engaging. I don't care if it's a world's place or according to Jim, she's always just kind of there. It's like, I'm like, yeah, I see you.

You're on the screen, but you're not really winning me over. I don't really hate you, but you're not really winning me over. She's kind of, I would qualify her as like a Lifetime Channel grade actress. Yeah, but she hasn't like, moved up to that level of stardom yet, I guess. I mean, it's pretty sad when you haven't gotten up to the Lifetime status.

Seriously, that's pretty bad. That is pretty bad. Maybe one day she'll be the. Maybe Oxygen. I mean...

Like, one of the, there's, there are different channels, right? Yeah. Oxygen and Lifetime. Okay, great. I mean, they kind of mesh together.

Well, they have different levels. Oxygen's still the up-and-comer. You get to be a huge name like Meredith Baxter, then you graduate up to Lifetime. Oh, man. You've got to be a huge star like that.

That is no joke. One day, Courtney Thorne-Smith, you count your blessings and you get up there. Oh, my gosh. Look, Gills is having a cow about her field trips. Unless you guys all pass that test, my job is Memorex.

Anybody got any ideas here? Get yourself some want ads. I don't care what your files say. You guys are not that dumb. Actually, Mr.

Shoup, those files are usually right on the money. You all feel that way? I do. I may as well go home. Mr.

Shoup, look, we don't want you to lose your job. Think about what you're asking. You want us to study? The thought did cross my mind. Well, what's in it for us?

What do we get out of it? Literacy? Oh, I'm sorry. You mentioned earlier, did you want to go into the whole all-star 80s cast that we have here? Yeah.

I mean, this is where I was going with this, too. I'm looking at some of the pictures right now, and this is more as a side note, but I was shocked. Did you see the informant? No, that's the Matt Damon, right? Yeah, that's the Matt Damon one.

I have heard good things, but I have not watched it. It's shockingly good, actually. I was really impressed by it. The trailer seemed funny to me. So, I mean, I had kind of high hopes, but I really was still impressed because it looked kind of drab, even though the story is fascinating.

But the best part, I have to say, is you need... Well, and I don't even want to really spoil it, but one of the cast members of Summer School... shows up in this movie awesome and you're gonna you're watching it and you're just like wait a minute i know this person where do i know this person from this and because it's like older now yeah i'll say he is part of like the the class uh. They're older now and looking at some of their pictures not some of them have not aged quite as. Well as others Yeah, no, but, I mean, he, like, walks in and it's just like, what? Oh, my God.

And I think I might have said, like, oh, my God, when I was in the theater watching it. And people were probably like, what? I don't get it. Because it's not, like, a scene that a lot of stuff is happening in. Oh, man.

It's great. And nobody else had a clue who that person was. Oh, no. And even, I had to look it up on my phone when we left the theater because I was like, I got to be sure. I got to be sure.

Yeah. It was just, yeah, it was crazy. But I'm trying, well, Shawnee Smith, she was a big 80s random show up and everything. And really didn't make a name for herself until well into the 90s. She was in a lot of stuff in the 80s, and that's when I realized this is an all-star cast, and I'm using that kind of jokingly, but an all-star cast of like, oh, it's that guy.

Oh, look at that girl. I mean... Even Dean Cameron refers to himself. If you go to his website, he's like, oh, you're that one guy from that one movie. Like, he even jokes about the fact that everybody knows him, but nobody really knows him.

So it's like, this is an all-star cast of, hey, there's that one girl from the People Under the Stairs. Hey, there's that guy from April Fool's Day. You've got a whole cast of, like, all these people that are, like, just sort of turn up in everything in that five or six year span of time. So it's kind of fun to, like, if you like these cheesy 80 movies, you know, you get this big conglomeration of people. Yeah, pretty much.

I mean, but for her, too, like, she's in those Saw movies, isn't she? Yeah, that's where she came to be kind of famous. Or at least the only reason I think people knew her by name was when Saw came around. And see, that's just not right. Well, I agree.

Just terrible. That's because I don't care about Saw. I know I'm probably in the minority since they've made billions of dollars at this point. Oh, my God. So.

Just makes me angry. What if it happened to Robin Thomas, the vice principal? Oh, wow. I don't know, but he is certainly a bite in the ass, is he not? He just, man, he knows how to ruin a day.

I just remember that term. I don't remember it being used in that way ever before, or maybe since. He sure is a bite in the ass. Just a bite in the ass. I was like, wow, I need to start working that into a daily conversation.

I think it works. If you were to take this cast... And, like, put them into another movie. I would watch that. I mean, really, they could do anything.

Well, they all sort of deliver. I mean, my favorite unsung hero is Kelly Jo Minter. She delivers some of the funniest things in that movie. And the thing is, she doesn't, like, she sort of plays it the way you expect her to. But sometimes, and I don't know if that was writing or if that was, like, directing, but there were moments in there that are just priceless.

And they're almost all of her. Yep. I don't think there's a time I will ever not collapse upon myself with laughter when I hear, What, you got dog ears? It makes me laugh every damn time. And how many times have I seen this movie?

Well, that's just a good joke. Oh, it is? Or even like her getting out of the car with her seatbelt still on. Oh, God, that joke. I don't know if anybody else could have pulled that off, but whatever she did, it's just a perfect mixture.

She's just hilarious. She would have been in good company in, like, what was that show? In Living Single. No. That's a mashup right there.

Yes, it is. I don't know about that. Yeah, right? But for sure, Living Single. I could see her being, like, a neighbor.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess. A sassy neighbor comes over and is sassy. On a special guest neighbor on Martin one episode. Yeah.

The one that Martin's not in drag. What? I mean, why? Why were the, why? Oh, my God.

I ask that about a lot of Fox shows, actually. I'm glad we fit in the Daily Martin reference that happens. Well, you know, doesn't everybody have those? I think they do. They don't want to admit it.

It's like they're Steve Martin 7-inch, but they all have them. Secured in plastic and sitting on a pedestal kept in a locked container, as yours is right now. Totally. Actually, it's still on. It's looping.

It's just looping very quietly. Yeah, that's okay. If we're going to have backup music, it's a good way to go. Makes the mood. But I think we're going through the rundown of all the characters.

I think that's kind of what makes this movie. I think because I've seen... A lot of cheesy high school movies and a lot of stuff made it that stuff and made later. And I think what sets it apart is the characters. And it's not like they're all that crazy original.

I mean, they hit all the checkpoints. You know, we got a jock. We got a nerd. We got take your pick on the screw ups. We got screw ups.

So they hit all the little cliche. We got to have the grouping. You know, we got to have one of everybody. So they've certainly got that covered. True.

But I think it's a lot of movies wouldn't be able to give these people the character that they have. Like we don't spend a lot of time with a lot of them. I feel like every one of them gets their moment, and each one comes off as a real character. And not just a, you know, insert your cliche caricature of whoever they're supposed to be here. I think they really find a way to give them just enough character without overwhelming the story.

Even the guy who went to the bathroom. That's one of the things I want to go into. Not that guy. He's pretty memorable. But I always love in any ensemble cast when there's, like, the extras...

Really? You realize they're not going to focus on him? So let's talk about the guy with the mullet and the hat. Yeah. What the hell is up with that guy?

Why? He has, like, no lines. He's there. Then he'll be gone. Then he'll be back again.

And then by the end, he doesn't even take the test with him. Like, he's there half the movie, but he doesn't take the test. I don't get that at all. Well, maybe they needed just like an even number. I guess.

But like he's gone in the middle. You don't see him for a while. And then when they do the crazy makeup gag, he's back again. Yeah. And then they go to like the next couple of scenes to the test and he's not there anymore.

Well, maybe he was supposed to be like the character that really was there for summer school. Like everybody else does kind of end up trying and they like have something to bring to the table. They probably wouldn't have been in summer school like in real life because they are somewhat achievers. That guy was just, nah. He was fucking it in.

They have a goal and, you know, the rest really have to strive for that goal. I still can't decide. One of the cast is listed as Scuzzy Kid. Scuzzy Kid. I swear to God.

Scroll on down your list. At the very end, there's someone listed as Scuzzy Kid. And I hope to God it's that guy. Oh, wait. David Wakefield as Scuzzy Kid.

I told you. I was like, oh, man, I hope he's Scuzzy Kid. If you could put that on your resume, I played Scuzzy Kid. There's no picture of him on us. I know.

I went searching for him. I can't really find him. You Googled him, too, right? Oh, yeah. David Wakefield.

If you're out there, call in. Please, come forward. let us know what your role as scuzzy kid consisted of and if you are that dude with the weird mullet hair and the hat uh yeah i. Mean if you can stand out in this group as a scuzzy kid yeah really that's an achievement actually. Hanging out chainsaw and dave and you're the. Scuzzy one yeah that's wow okay yeah that's impressive seen.

Oh man what happened well then we do lose like a third of the room like that first time when the class gets together it's like a huge class full of kids and when they all run out it's like they never come back like i guess they really didn't want to go to summers because we were like the rest of them after that yeah it's. True they probably knew that it was totally unfair and borderline like not policy what was going. On But if they were smart, they'd come back in the last day and take the test like the bathroom guy. They still could have gotten their credit, you know, because he got like a 90. He scored.

That was amazing. They are kind of, though, to go back to what you were saying, I mean, this is pretty much just the Goonies. Like, it's kind of a Goonies cast right here. I guess. I was going with more like the typical high school.

I was going breakfast club. You know, you've got... It's a bigger group, but you've got your jock, you've got your nerdy person, you've got your basket case. Again, take your pick. They're all kind of like that.

You've got each person kind of represented. True. They had all the standard, you know, characters here. I mean, and especially we've got to have the jock because he's got to get his grades up so he can get back on the team and, you know... it hits all those. But again, I think you have to go back to the writing.

I think it's just written better for these characters and for the situation that it makes them stand out. It gives them these moments and these jokes that kind of flesh them out a little bit and give them a chance to sort of be a real character. Okay. I'll agree with that. Maybe we can compromise and say that they're the cast of breakfast club in the Goonies.

Cause they just don't feel like they are like banding together to save something like, you know, their education. Well, they do. They have to, let's come together and save the community center moment. It's like, this is our time. And like, we're learning about like, yeah, we are like cool and things are fine.

And I don't know. I'm kind of stuck on this Goonies thing now. Well, to use that to get into what Dean said earlier, what do you think about the Freaks plot? If it would have unfolded that way, I think it would have tied it in even better. That would have been amazing.

That would have been amazing. Because, I mean, as much as I love, like, where, obviously... how the movie ended up. I think that for it to, it would have felt more complete and like not as just tacked on to kind of one character's, I don't know, personality. And it would have been, I think it would have been better for everybody. It would have rounded out everyone and kind of grouped them together more.

Yeah. It would have had more of an arc to it. It wouldn't have been just a gross movie for the class to watch. You're not supposed to do that. Just one more crazy thing that he did over the summer.

Whereas that, the movie actually ties to the plot itself and our cast of characters. It's like that seems really clever and like really almost takes it up a notch. And it's hard to improve upon perfection. But I think it would have made it even more interesting as a story. Yeah, it's sad.

But, you know, again, if we hold out for that special edition. Yeah, we're waiting for that super deluxe special edition of the DVD. There are, if you go back, because I was looking through the goofs and trivia and stuff, and then I went back, and I was watching the movie to see where these moments were, and there was like a whole missing scene where, if you look on the blackboard during that one scene, there's the entire lyrics to Papa's Got a Brand New Bag written out behind Shoop, and it's a missing scene according to IMDb, and he writes it all out, I guess, trying to teach them English. And then he does the entire performance of the song. Oh my God.

You missed out on seeing Shoop do James Brown. Now think about that. They're really kind of ripping you off on that one. They totally, I mean, I'd prefer not to think about it because then I'll just focus on that and be in a terrible mood. That one, it's actually funnier, not related.

Like if you're just watching it in theater and you could read it, it's probably kind of hard if you don't know what it says. But in theaters, it's probably much bigger and you're reading the lyrics and it's probably like, And it's even funnier that there's entire lyrics to a James Brown song on the board behind it with no explanation. Yeah. That's just up there. That's funnier.

But the one that's weirder than it always occurred to me, and I never really put enough into it to realize why, but all of a sudden when Larry wakes up and he goes to hand in his paper, he's got this weird greased up hairdo going on. He never had it like that before or even after. Yeah. There's a missing scene, and you can see when he stands up to give him his paper, stop for a second and watch, the desk behind him are covered in hair care products. What?

Yeah. Seriously, I watched it. Stop it. All these bottles and all this hair care products everywhere. And there's this missing scene where they write to another company about bad hair care products, I guess, and they send them a whole box of them.

So there's a whole missing scene where they get this box in and they're messing with hair care products and, like, fixing each other's hair. They're, like, putting in hair gel and doing some other kind of crazy montage that we're missing out on. And that's why his hair looks like that when he stands up to deliver the dialogue with Shoop. And I remember... Even watching the movie the first time, going, what's up with his hair in this scene?

He's got this weird duck tail going on in the back. It makes no sense. And the whole rest of the movie is not like that either. So only now, finally, how many years later, does it come out? And I'm like, oh, well, no wonder it's like that.

We're missing a scene. Really good. That is really good to know. So, deluxe edition. I'm asking you, studio, get on this.

And I hope they make it a funny name like the Life's Beach edition, too. Like, I don't know how they're going to top that. As long as they don't make the cover look as bad as the current DVD cover. Because I brought that up and I saw that bikini crossing sign. I was like, oh, God.

You make my head hurt. Like, so bad. So stupid. And the sad part is that's how they're selling this movie. Some idiot's watching it going, well, that's going to be funny.

Awkward sunglasses. Yeah. Crazy. All right. Wonder Mud is pretty damn awesome.

Now, anyone interested in learning the correct form, please turn to page 46 in your textbook. Shit works. But going back to how things originally worked, he was mentioning that the reason that he got involved in this project... It's because he was on the TV version of, once again, it was a bad idea, but he was on the Fast Times at Ridgemont High TV show. Oh, man.

And I asked him at the time, I was like, he was Spicoli, for God's sake. So I was like, how do you go into something and try to be Spicoli? And worse, the second Spicoli. So even he agreed it was a bad idea. But.

The good thing that came out of it is that the person responsible for that was still Amy Heckerling. She wrote and directed that and went on to do the... Well, they only had a run of a couple episodes, but she was still involved in doing the TV show. And she was originally the one attached to direct this movie. Oh.

And I don't know if that was part of that plot line. And again, this was all speculation, but... The fact that it was all originally planned and then fell apart and the fact that she was gone to me seems like it could be a reasonable excuse and why it ended up going that way. So maybe it was just something she had thrown out there and then when they brought in all these new writers to write the screenplay and then it all fell away. And instead they put in something gory so then they could tie it in with the big makeup scene at the end.

I don't know if that's the case, but it kind of feels like that's what we're comparing it to. Maybe even more so than The Breakfast Club, something like Fast Times. you know, you've got this group of weird mismatched kids that all kind of feel like real high school kids, like weird, awkward high school kids. If you're looking for like a group of mismatched characters that all kind of feel like real high school kids, that feel like the weird, awkward kids that you really run into, Fast Times really delivers that too. And I can see, I mean, it's not written quite as sharp as Fast Times or Clueless or other stuff that she did, but It definitely has that feel of the way that she comes up with characters and plot lines.

And I don't know. What were your thoughts on that? I mean, I will just... As you're saying that, like, we're able to compare it to so many different, like, ensembles. And it makes me wonder, like, why this isn't just automatically included in that canon.

It should. It totally should be. I mean, this... Like, if you're looking for just basic... Because it is.

It's just a basic plot with, like... As, like, a guide for how to... really manage like an ensemble and give everyone the time and kind of, I don't know. This is the perfect example. It's totally fits into all of those movies that we're talking about. And yet it never is mentioned as, and I know it's kind of silly because it's like, Oh, it's summer school.

And I, but I'm being really serious that, and, and miles, you know, he, he gives me such a hard time because he's not a huge fan. Summer school? I remember hearing that. And that's why when I talked to Dean, I was like, if anybody's going to care, it's Katie. And that's how this episode came to be.

It's like, if anybody wants to hear about, you know, more about summer school, I went to you, you know, so. Yeah, I mean, and it always blew my mind because it's like, this is, it's a staple. Like, how do you not, again, like we were saying, like, how do you not like it? But also, how do you not at least acknowledge that it's totally... Like, one of the movies that made the formula.

And kind of perfected it. I mean, it's a tight movie. It's not like it's long. I almost wish it were longer, which is, you know, kind of why I wish those scenes were back in. Right.

But it found a way to do like a 90 minute runtime and still flesh out All this ensemble of characters, and there's so many movies that do that, and some of the ones you mentioned are the ones that do it right. But there's a lot of, I mean, think of how many bad high school movies and how many straight-to-DVD movies that come out trying to do the same thing and fail miserably at it. Miserably. And there's so many. So for this one to be as successful at doing what is seemingly a simple thing, for them to do it as well as they do it, It gets lumped in there as a silly movie and doesn't get as much credit as it probably deserves.

I'm so happy that you agree. It's just insane. But I was thinking, if I'm going to critique it, if I'm going to come up with something to talk about, as I was saying, it's probably not as sharp as, like, Amy's writing and those other ones. Granted, she's written some stuff that's kind of off, too. But if you look at, like, the high school movies, like Fast Times and Clueless, they're pretty damn smart.

And they're pretty well pieced together. And then you go to who we're left with here, Jeff Franklin, as screenwriter. Now, if you look at the rest of his resume, it's not... It's kind of stuff I wish I could erase. Oh, really?

And have no connection to this, because I was never really a huge fan of Full House. Yeah, but I mean, really, just one of the guys is a classic. Okay, now that one I was going to say. That one is another one that I think does fit in, because the girl really doesn't have a whole lot of personality. There's not much for her to do.

But you look at the guy that she's obsessed with, could very easily be in this cast of Summer School. And the little brother... could very easily be any one of these guys. So these side characters, you can definitely see that's kind of that same way that they flesh out these side characters and making them kind of more fun characters and you can see them fitting them in and working it into Summer School. Yeah, you look at, like, Hanging with Mr. Cooper.

Yeah. He went to do tons of TV, and that's what I feel like happened, really. And probably why people look at it as more silly than anything else is that it almost did get that TV treatment. Because, I mean, you were saying you were watching it on regular cable, you know, regular TV. So, aside from you take out, like, The cursing scene in the classroom.

And maybe a couple of the little snippets of the gory stuff at the end there. But other than that, you really don't have to take anything out. I mean, it's pretty safe. It's like they crossed the line a few little areas. But it still feels like it's probably the best TV writing can get.

It's almost like the 30 Rock of the 80s. Oh my god! People look at that now as like the ultimate version of network TV writing. as funny as you can get, and still have to conform to the way that television works. And people are like, oh, well, 30 Rock, that's kind of what I feel like this is. It still fits into the parameters of, you're not going to piss your grandmother off with this movie, but at the same time, it's smart, and it delivers stuff that most movies like this, this cliche, wouldn't bother to do.

So I don't know, that's kind of what I was coming up with. It falls into that TV treatment that Jeff Franklin seems like he went on to do Nothing but that. That's really interesting. I mean, maybe that is also one of the things that factored in with it being kind of like more of a silly movie and not one of these staples. Yeah.

Maybe that could be... I don't know. It may be. It may be. Why?

Because it's not quite pushing the envelope. You look at, like, Fast Times. That's a lot more hardcore about some of the stuff. It takes it a little grittier. Right.

And maybe that's why people go to that as, like, a real high school movie. Yeah. Whereas with summer school, it still feels like almost this fantasy high school. I mean, you live in that general area. Is every day like this for you?

Yeah, you know, what? Yeah. Is it? Totally. Because I'm going to be a little pissed at you.

Because you know what? Every day is not like that for me. And it sure as hell wasn't in high school. Yeah, we just, in between classes, we rollerblade down the boardwalk and. On the way to go surf.

On the way to go surf, which we do on our lunch breaks and. You go cruising around with the top down every day. I do have to say, and some of that I'm exaggerating, but my elementary school, I went to Newport Beach Elementary, and the school has been around for over 100 years. The school is actually located on the beach, and they still do this, which is crazy, but also crazy awesome, is if there's a whale swimming by, they pull all of the kids out of class immediately. take them onto the blacktop, and they let the kids watch the whale swim by. Well, we do that here.

I mean, right? Okay, okay. I didn't know. I mean, any time a whale swims down the Ohio River, we go out and look at it. Now, granted, I haven't run into that situation in a while, but I'm sure that happens all the time.

Okay. Most schools do that. Oh, okay. Well, then, my bad. It's just business as usual over here.

Yeah, once again... The evil jealousy. That makes you feel any better. It's like really lame weather right now and very cold. Yeah, but I have that most.

Of the time. Yeah, well, that's kind of true. You're not getting bonus points on that. Dang it. You guys do have the theaters, though, where you can drink beer, do you not?

This isn't Paris. A glass of beer. No, not that I'm aware of. Hey. I just assume that everyone except for me has that now.

I don't think we have anything like that. I mean, we've had, like, specific shows. There's one that used to have it at a bar. But other than that, again, it's all, like, whore-ish chains. So, you know, they're busy pushing popcorn.

They don't have time for beer. Which actually makes no sense at all. Really, if anything makes money, it's beer, so you'd think they'd work that in. That's why Alamo Draft House is the best thing that ever happened. That's what I was just going to say.

It's all the draft houses, and they've tapped into that market. But sadly, and well, everyone I know here wants to have a draft house, but I don't know that we would support it. People are so... I mean, if you don't have that town, you can't necessarily get people behind it. I mean, you have people that are so used to the boring, straight-laced, mainstream theater...

And then their boring sports bar mentality. I mean, those are two separate things and they don't put them together. So if you don't have the people that can get behind that and see how cool that element is, then it's probably. Going to go under. So maybe we need to write like a cool dude style letter to someone, like a congressman.

If you can just, you know, get the money together, I'll throw one together, but yeah. Oh, okay. Well, you're in charge of fundraising. So I'm, I'm, I'm killer at bake sales. Awesome.

So I'll do a couple of cake walks and, uh, This sounds pretty good. Wash some cars. Oh, montage. Bake sale and car wash montage. That's what we're missing.

We didn't have that in this movie. Because people love soapy cake. I didn't say you had to put them together. Oh, no. But I mean, I went there.

You know, it's original. It takes it in a new direction. You shove the cake into their windshield and then they have to get a car wash. Yeah, it's washing the car with the cake. You're scamming them in.

You just smear some cake all over the car, and then you're like, oh, and we offer a car wash. Oh, it's going to be awesome. So back to our cheesy movie. Miners drinking on the beach. Seriously, we never do this.

Boy, never, ever. There's our English teacher. Let's ask him. Mr. Soup, sir, could you come here just a moment, please?

Hey, guys. Hi. Hi. What's up? Found these boys in possession of alcohol.

That alcohol officer? Oh, that's not theirs. Huh? Whose is it? It's mine.

See, I live in that house right there, and they were just watching my stuff. That's right. It's his. We should have never taken those little baby sips. That was wrong.

God, so very, very wrong. I think they learned one hell of a lesson, officer. We were mentioning the realism, like, you know, compared to those other movies, but they actually put it in this movie. And again, maybe it's Carl Reiner. Maybe he's just... has dealt with comedy so much over the years that he kind of knows... when to not take it too far.

Because I'm looking at what's going on here, and it's like they have teen pregnancy, dyslexia, underage drinking. I mean, you name it, they have every one of those moments crammed in here. But it still stays fun. They touch upon it, and they kind of insert a little realism. It's like this is all the real world, so this kind of stuff goes on.

But if you gave it to the wrong person, this could be very heavy-handed. I mean, you could get to the point of a bad after school special mashup kind of thing with all of these crammed in. And think about it. Think about it. I mean, and again, that's how so many of these go wrong with it is they become like really hammering you over the head with this message of, you know, what's bad going on in this school.

And they kind of don't hear it. And that's what's funny is because it does at least have a little reality, you know, as silly as it is again. But I mean, because I'm watching these. kids drink on the beach, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's what kids do, actually. If I remember high school, kids would go get drunk at any given chance, so that feels real. It's like, I think it's weird when movies kind of back off and don't do that stuff.

So, to me, it's a fine line. It always seems really weird if they're like in this Disney world where there's no... Nobody's screwing around. Nobody's getting pregnant in high school. Nobody's drinking in high school.

It's all this fictional school. Everything's squeaky clean. Right. But then it's a fine line to walk when you start shoving the issues down people's throat. And this movie skates it.

And it interesting... all these heavy-handed ideas, but then finds a way to back off, and it never does anything that's not just funny. You know, it's always very light in tone while dealing with things that are, you know, there's nothing funnier than dyslexia. Yeah, it is kind of crazy. Yeah, it's... weird. They do.

I mean, it's really classy. They handled it in a really classy way. Oh, man. I didn't even mean to make that pun, but I'm glad. That I did.

Oh, that makes it even worse. I know, right? Even the stuff with Pam or Courtney Thorne-Smith, when he has to kind of say, oh, no, this isn't going to happen between us. It's not like an after-school special moment, but I totally agree. You're absolutely right.

Definitely, if someone else was doing it, I could see where it would go that way. Or it really could have gone down a much darker road there. I mean, if all of a sudden he's nailing a student, yeah, that could take a very different tone. Whereas here, it never hits that. I mean, even when... blatant as she is.

I mean, you ever do that with one of your students? Right. Man, that Courtney, she's subtle, isn't she? But no, I mean, he plays it off so he's like, I swim hundreds of miles, I'm ready for a nap. And they immediately go back into one of those jokes that, like, pulls it back again.

It takes it away from that weird area and he gets up and he's like, alright, that's enough and let's leave the room and get out of this weird situation. And he backs it off and I don't know if it's in the writing or direction or whoever was in charge of that part, but they back away from that creepy territory again. So there's there's all these little favors that get worked into the situation and they could all be really weird and kind of gone down a really dark path, but instead they find a way to keep it light and funny the entire time. You know, the other thing that, um, we didn't even mention this yet, but like Kirstie Alley, I mean, I'm kind of thinking that even if she wasn't in this, like her character at all, I think it would still be a totally intact movie.

I think so. I mean, I was. How do you feel like she really plays? Other than, I guess, pushing Shoop to keep going. Well, in any movie, you know they have to cram a love interest in there.

So that always feels very forced. Or at least in about 75% of movies, that feels kind of forced. Right. So this one is not really important. It just sort of factors in at the end, whatever.

But that's just sort of there because... It's in every movie. In the book of screenwriting, it says to put it in there. Right. But as far as her as like a character, she does sort of need to be there helping him.

He doesn't know how to teach. And she kind of provides that. And if there's anything kind of interesting in it, it's sort of the growth of Shu. And yeah, I know, you don't get a whole lot of growth in this kind of story. But in the beginning, he's kind of okay with just being a screw-up, you know?

And he doesn't care about anything in his life. And then within this one summer, he learns to care about his career, potentially this woman, but more important than that, all of these kids. He now actually cares about these kids. Like, you look at him when he's just the gym teacher. I mean, he didn't seem like he cared about any of those guys at the beginning.

He's just waiting to get out of school. But you look at, like, a few scenes later, he says, you know, some of these are really good kids. And he starts to get to know them as people. And it's, yeah... I know sometimes I read a little bit more into these than most people want to, but I think there really is a little bit of, he is sort of this kid that never grows up.

And over the course of the summer, he's sort of forced to be the father figure and he's completely irresponsible at the beginning. And by the end, he's telling people, don't wreck my car. Don't set things on fire. You know, he's a dad all of a sudden. I think that's kind of interesting.

And And more than you would give this movie credit for. I mean, there's a little bit of character development here. So I think Kirstie was needed. I don't know if he could have made that leap without someone there to help him and push him along. Right.

So, yeah, she's just, you know, she's the Yoda. There to push him. It also doesn't say a lot for gym teachers, does it? No, it really doesn't. I mean, he really is.

I mean, what does it say? How long has he been in the system that he's never really had to teach a class? He's never really had to interact with the kids, basically. He just stands around and do what they're supposed to do. But, yeah, it kind of paints gym teachers in a bad light.

And maybe they were already getting that anyway. Maybe so. But it kind of makes me want to be a gym teacher. It sounds like a pretty sweet gig. Well, he does give that speech about wanting to be a teacher, and I know a few now.

So you get that thought ahead of time of, all right, summer's off. This is going to be the best job ever. Right. Then you're knee deep into it and you're like, oh man, I don't make any money and I have to put up with these bratty kids all day long. So if you're thinking about going into teaching, keep that in mind beforehand.

Oh my gosh, Kirstie Alley. Yeah, the thin Kirstie Alley. It's so funny to look at her now when I know her as, for years, being this other version of Kirstie Alley. To go back and see her... super thin. Like, she's really thin back at this point.

Yeah, she is. She's really tiny. It's hard for me to kind of look at her now, because she has made herself into a joke. Yeah. And it's really sad, because all of the characters that she's really, like, famous for are these very, like, headstrong women who, I don't know, are just so the opposite of what she, as a real person, ended up being.

It just makes... I mean, other than like her health factor, I mean, which is sad to me, it makes it so much more depressing to like see what she's kind of devolved into. It is, but it seems like she was always just sort of grasping for a career. Yeah. Like she never really found a signature role.

Even though she was on a sitcom for, like, what, six or seven years? I mean, that whole last run of that series, she played the same character. Yeah. But she never really gelled with any specific character, you know? She never became synonymous with that role or any roles.

I mean, that kind of says something about her, that she never really found herself as an actress, you know? She was always just looking to have a movie career or a TV career, you know? So she would take anything that came along. So when you see her physically start to fall apart, it is kind of sad because you see her almost go, oh, fat actress, I can use that now. I can use this to my advantage and make it my career again.

Right. It is kind of sad because I don't think she's a terrible actress, but it's like she just never quite found herself. I think she's probably one of those, like the TV grade style actresses that we were talking about because even– Even Look Who's Talking, to me, that movie has always felt like a TV movie. And I mean, I'm not saying that it's bad or not fun to watch. I think it's really campy and that there is something there.

But it never felt like a real, like a movie proper. No. Well, that's because it's such a lame idea. I mean, it's funny for a minute. To me, it's like about a half an hour worth of material.

And then they have an hour and a half to fill. So that was the problem, let alone three movies of it. Oh, my gosh. But there's dogs, though. But there's dogs.

That makes it even funnier, because there's nothing funnier than talking animals. Right? Based on the last few years of movies coming out, there's nothing funnier than talking animals. We've hit the ceiling. We can't do any better now.

CGI and talking animals, what more do you want? Oh, I can't think of a single thing. Man. again, looking at this movie, it's like, if there is anything, you know, it is another one of those that really meshes with pop culture. Like, it really, when you hear Shroop Delight, it's like, I'm Memorex. But it doesn't seem forced.

Like, you listen to people later that get so much shit for, like, really forcing the pop culture stuff in there. You look at, like, Kevin Williamson or definitely Diablo Cody, and they got so much crap for forcing it. Where this one, it's like, they work in, you know, I'm sure it's April Fresh. They work in these lines. But it really does kind of come off, like, natural, and it does sort of like what these characters would say, or something that we worked into an everyday conversation, because we do kind of say cheesy stuff like that as people.

I mean, I say that kind of stuff all the time. And I think in this, too, it happens so naturally, because the setting that they're in is kind of this cheesy, like, exaggeration of you know, like this beachy city. And so when you get these kind of just sprinkles and cheesy lines, it doesn't take you out of like the moment at all. Whereas some of those other movies, it's, you're not, you don't feel like, okay, a kid who lives in this town wouldn't be talking like this or, and they wouldn't say it all the time and they wouldn't be saying lines like this, but these characters, because it doesn't happen that often, um, And because of where they are and kind of, yeah, like you were saying, like who they are, it makes total sense.

And I think you always stay in the moment with them. It never really, you're never like, no, that didn't feel right at all. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think that's what it really is. And especially once you start working in Dave and Chainsaw stuff.

So, you know, they're just overwhelmed with, like, you know, they're making the Siskel and Ebert references. And at that point, this is sort of the start of the wave of people sort of ripping them off and a lot of other people doing these Siskel and Ebert references. But, I mean, it made sense for them. Their entire life revolved around movies. So, and again, for dorks that sit around talking about movies all the time, I think it's a little different for us.

But. It is funny watching this wave of people start doing that. Here it still feels kind of natural. and it still fits those characters. Where if you look at over the next 10 years, another million people start doing Cisco neighbor jokes, it starts to feel really ham-fisted and really forced and overdone. So maybe it's just that this was so early on.

But I think that this one still comes off kind of natural, the way that it... Works in a lot of this pop culture stuff. Absolutely. What else? Anything else we need to hit?

I'm trying to think if I missed anything. It is pretty deep and, like you were saying, there's so many layers of this movie. It's sad that there are. I mean, not even, again, I delve into the weird, you know, what's going on in the plot line way more than most people care to. But I think if you just take it at face value...

And again, comedies are a hard sell for me, so it's really got to deliver above and beyond what a lot of normal comedies do, especially lately. They're just so lame and so phoning in what's supposed to be funny. And I think you get to something like this, what I find is so funny is all the little stuff. All those little moments of her getting caught up in the seatbelt, or you've got Dave trying to steal his fake ID back after the judge takes it. Like, that's... it's the second and a half worth of something, but all those put together is what makes this movie classic and why I still can't find flaw in it.

You know, how many years later, right? I think it's, you know, it's all those little moments. It's tiny little things like, is that your blood? I love that question. And that woman delivering it, it's so good that I really attach onto over the years.

And there's plenty of movies that come back to, you know, years later, uh, And I rewatch it and I'm like, oh, God, this is awful. Or it just doesn't hold up. But I don't feel a moment of that in this movie. It's just solid as far as writing and comedic performances and timing. It's all just so well put together.

100%. 100%. And that– also that girl, Anna Marie, was that her name? Oh, yeah. She is totally– now that I'm thinking about it, she reminds me of– gloria on modern family do you watch family yeah actually she does i'm shocked at how good that show is um i look.

Again there's a handful of shows that i watch period anymore but that's one that i always try to kind of make a point to watch because it's so impressive. Crazy but yeah she's totally gloria yeah. Kind of she was another one that was in a lot of stuff at that time and like you would see her pop up in movies and all the way up through the mid 90s And she would always kind of be that girl. She was just there to be the cutesy girl with an accent and never really saw much else come from her. I know she was in one of the reanimator movies, but it's one of the ones I don't think I've watched.

But I'm kind of interested to see her do something else. But all the comedies I've seen her in, she just sort of becomes that cutesy girl again. That makes sense. She plays it well, so. Yeah, they knew what they were doing when they cast her.

I mean, we gotta work in a bikini scene, you know. Like, so she's only gonna be wearing... She'll be the bikini store girl, and she'll just work at the bikini store. Yeah, yeah. And of course, being in the bikini store, you have to showcase the merchandise.

So, you know, she's gotta walk around in a bikini in every scene. Oh, perfect. And at that point, the writers high-five and they move on. Yes. Yes, they do.

So, once again, for me to wrap up and to illustrate how... ingrained this movie was in my life again I saw it relatively early and I still lived at home at the time so I got to the point of moving out and you know you have to get all the things that you have to buy yourself to get your own place you're gonna have your own kitchen you gotta have your own you know stuff to go there so of course the first thing I had to make sure that I had was a fish shaped potholder and I had it and dork that I was I was so thrilled with it that I never even used it. I hung it on the wall. Oh, man. Talk about a geek activity. That is wow.

Yeah. I hung it on the wall. For all time. I was pretty proud of that. Oh, that is outstanding.

Now you're jealous. I am a little bit. I'm going to eBay immediately after this. I would hope you would have at least one. I mean, Courtney had two.

I'm jealous. gosh so once again that's how ingrained this movie became on my consciousness over. The years that's really impressive i don't have any of that but i i do make reference to this movie on a i don't know multiple times a day usually. Yeah i there's hardly a day that goes by that i don't say tension breaker had to be done If anybody gets it, and what's worse is half the time there's not even anybody else there. I'll be saying it to my dog or something, but it's rare that a day goes by that I don't say, Tension Breaker had to be done. And it's so easy to do because this movie is full of those awesome lines that can fit in anywhere.

Almost entirely quotable lines. I mean, I was looking through it and I'm like, I love that joke. I love that joke. And it's like an entire script made up of awesome quotable lines and it's it's impressive that once again it's it's held up this well you know years later coming back and watching it although well there's this and it's very dated but i have to ask you i mean so you're a girl uh which way do you go david lee roth or sean pin. Oh wow I don't know, I still think that kind of works.

It's funny, but now it's such an 80s joke. Yeah. It's funny because the time that has passed. No, totally. Because now you just look and go, oh, God, look at both of them now.

Yeah, that's pretty bad. Especially David Lee Roth. I mean, it's like, I guess, you kind of have to go with Sean Penn. I guess. But it's one of those guys.

At least he has a career. Yeah. At least he's respected. I mean, David Lee Roth, I mean, shit, he was a mess then, he's. A mess now.

Yeah. It was a lateral move at this. He's consistent. Yes. I guess you gotta at least be impressed that, you know, Spicoli is now a multiple Academy Award nominated actor.

There you go. Yeah, I mean, at least he's got a stellar career to speak of. Yeah. Still seems kind of like a jerk, but whatever. And that was the only thing looking back, I mean, it really is kind of timeless.

I mean, and maybe because it's in this sort of fictional school, or maybe it's just, to me, it feels like this fantasy school, but. I think you could still show it to kids now, and they would still get it. I mean, with the exception of that line. Yeah. Most of it.

Okay, the cheesy music. Now, granted, I like a lot of the music, but it's definitely very 80s music. But other than that, I think it still comes off pretty timeless as far as comedy goes. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

I don't think anything is lost. I don't think so. I think it's held up amazingly well. And I think we've gotten... quite a bit out of a cheesy movie like summer school. I think so.

So anything else you want to say to wrap this up? Um, yeah, I don't know. Only that if you, yeah, if you've never seen, you've never seen summer school before, you are not, I don't know. You're just doing a disservice to yourself. It's, it's such good fun.

It's quick. It goes by too fast. Like we were saying, and like you're depriving yourself of so many like one liners that you can fit into anything. But I will say, if you have a problem with dog spit, if you have a problem with human saliva mixing with dog saliva. Yeah, probably.

I mean, the infamous peanut butter scene. Oh, God. And then you get a nice full-on mouth kiss by the end of it. Yeah. Pretty big on Wonder Mutt, but I don't know about the full tongue kiss that he gives.

That's probably the most hardcore. It is, actually. He doesn't get near as hardcore with Kirstie Alley as he does with Wondermutt. No. But that's kind of great, too, because you're like, you know what?

We know where that mouth has been. And yeah, this is more of a shot at Kirstie than anything else. But I mean, truthfully, Wondermutt has a lot more charm than Kirstie Alley. He has a hell of a lot more personality. Oh, zing.

What do you want? I like Wondermutt. No, I mean, I agree. I totally agree. But yeah, everyone needs to see it.

This is something that you should own and reference constantly. Yep. And even they have a huge From Here to Eternity reference. Oh my god. And how would you expect that in this movie?

As silly as it is that they do that entire scene on the beach. But that was another thing I just read that he was also wearing the exact shirt, like the same style and manufacture and model that Burt Lancaster is wearing in the scene in From Here to Eternity. That's how hardcore they were in doing this little tribute to a big, you know, sappy war movie. Yeah, it's just funny. It ends up here in summer school.

I think that's really charming because it's just like, wow, you, you're geeks and you're writing for geeks about geeks. And that's nice. And it's done so subtly. I mean, it's, it's not over the top, like again, a lot, of comedies now just beat you over the head with it. It's that one shot that's pretty much it.

And the rest of it could just be, you know, a normal scene on the beach. And again, if you show it to kids now, they have no idea that you're even referencing anything. Right. No kid is seen from here to eternity. So once again, it doesn't even take away from the scene itself.

It's just funny that a movie like this is paying tribute to from here to eternity. Another reason to love it. Yes there are many countless settle down wonder what all right with that we will take a break and come back with the rest of the show. I'm sober now that's good for today we. Live No sense of time.

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All of life's riddles are answered in the movies. And now, on with the show. Oh my gosh. Pup, calm down. I didn't know we were going to have a guest star.

I know. He chimes in all too often. I'm quite familiar with him. I feel like he's heard enough. He too feels like a cast member.

Oh my gosh. Pup, come on. Alright, we're back. Okay, kids, get out your Dakota pins. At this point, somebody has to do a big fanfare, so that's your job.

Uh, um, uh, uh, okay. All right, that's good. I kind of just wanted to see that reaction. Because no matter how many times I do it with my own people who know that it's coming, it still comes out different every time. Great.

It's always a train wreck every time, and I kind of like that. So I kind of wanted to throw that out there and see once again how it turned out. Fantastic. It is time for the Movie Meltdown Secret Circle reveal of an upcoming feature. Again, we've gotten so...

It's all sort of gone off the rails at this point, so I don't even pinpoint exactly what's next, because I don't even know what's coming next. But at least, you know, if you're playing the Movie Meltdown home game, I like to give you a good idea of where we're going and a few DVDs to go pick up or throw on your Netflix queue or whatever. So I at least like to throw it out there so you can, you know, have a chance to get it and Whatever way you see fit. So the new one I wanted to throw out there, I mentioned it a few episodes back. In the near future, we'll probably be watching Martin.

Are you familiar with Martin? The vampire film? Yeah. Oh, I love that movie. That was a couple years ago for the Spooktacular, I think.

That made its way, and it's a great movie. I remember being shocked at how much I loved it. Yeah. It was one of those that totally caught me off guard. Years ago, it was a long time ago, I think it was one of those I ran into an old VHS in an old video store and was just like, huh, Romero, okay, and just watched it and was really caught off guard. how much I liked it.

And a week before I talked to Dean, I actually did an interview with the actor himself, the guy who plays Martin. Oh, wow. And again, I was supposed to be asking him about a lot of movies, but I spent half of the time I talked to him talking about Martin. I was just so, what about this? What about this?

I went on and on about anything Martin-related. So, yeah, we're definitely going to have to work all that into one big Martin episode. That's exciting. I mean, that movie is so unexpected. Wow.

No, that's awesome. Yeah, it's very original, especially for a movie at that time, and it really doesn't even fit the mold of any type of movies. No, yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty interesting movie to watch. So that is coming in the near future.

Okay, Katie, time for your plug. So tell everybody where to find you out there in the cold, cold internet. Oh, and it is so cold. So yeah, if you would like to listen to Show Show, you can... Find episodes of the show on iTunes.

You can find it at showshow.podomatic.com. And we're on Facebook. And Twitter-wise, you can find Miles at showshowist and me at katiewinner. And I don't know. If you can't find us from one of those things, then you're not looking hard enough.

And we're also always making random arguments and comments on Palover. which everyone should go to as well. Ah, yes. That's what everyone loves to do. Make comments and arguments. I'm telling you, I don't know where stuff comes from on that thing.

Yeah, I don't know. But Miles and I start fighting when we don't even know what's fighting on that thing. James. Forums are just an invitation for trouble i like that we're on them but sometimes no i'm not in the mood for i'm just like oh there's just gonna be drama. Pretty much i kind of let him handle it for the most part and then when when a certain amount of time goes by i i say you know i should probably look into this and then when i do i'm just like oh no i get fired up about something and uh It's a dark road, but one that we all must travel.

I love having them, but sometimes they're a lot to deal with. But hey, that having been said, stop by Paladin. Yeah, exactly. You're not sold on it yet. Stop by and see what sort of drama is going on on both of our forums.

Yeah. But yeah, go ahead and get a hold of you guys. And anybody who hasn't listened to your show definitely needs to check it out. And if you have any feedback for this episode, just email it over. I'm sure you'll have wonderful things to say about Katie.

So, yeah, just send them over, and I will forward it on to her so she doesn't miss out. Oh, right. Okay, as far as, you know, I usually round it out with a song. I was going to let you in and take a vote, too. What sort of summer school song would you like to go out on?

I've got one I'm leaning towards, but I didn't know if you had, you know, a specific way you wanted to go. Oh, man. Do you have one that it's all going to fall apart if we don't listen to it? No, I mean, I would, no, you should go with yours. Well, and going back and watching it again, I mean, there's a lot.

I mean, specifically the happy song, I mean, it's amazing. Oingo Boingo. Oingo Boingo, you can't go wrong with anyway. So that sort of stands on its own. But I thought really what sort of encapsulates the summer school mood as a movie. would be Mind Over Matter.

Do you know how often that comes on my iPod? All the time. Beef and I sing that to each other sometimes as well. Which version, though? My version.

The one from the movie? Okay, because it's originally a Debbie Harry song. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. And then Debbie Harry was supposed to be on the soundtrack, and... There was some sort of legal problem, and E.G.

Daly replaced her. And I guess to make up for it, they do work in Rapture in one of the strip club scenes. So yeah, I'm sure there was some sort of legal drama going on in that too, but it's just interesting that originally it was supposed to be the Debbie Harry version, and they replaced it. And truthfully, I kind of prefer the E.G. Daly version.

I love the E.G. Daly. No, I don't even like knowing that there's any other kind. It's a little more, I went just, because I don't know if I'd heard the Debbie Harry one. I went and listened to it, and I'm like, it's very similar, actually.

I mean, if you're not paying attention, I don't know how much you would notice. I mean, the music part of it, like the vocal part of it, they deliver it kind of the same. But the music itself, there's definitely a lot more cheesiness to the EG Daily version. Which to me is kind of the charm of this song, so... Yeah, that's why I thought, I mean, it fits so well to sum up this movie, because not only is it about using your brain, which our characters triumphantly do by the end, but it's got that 80s cheesy sound that fits so well with this movie.

So I thought, you know, together, we had to wrap up with that. Absolutely. No, go with this one. This is the song. It's good to know, though, it's already in your consciousness.

Once again, this movie worming its way into your everyday life. Every day, on your iPod. On my iPod. It's Shuffle, too. My iPod loves listening to the song. iPods cheat.

Shuffle's bullshit. It plays the same stuff over and over again. I'm like, I know you've got a thousand songs on there. Why do you feel the need to play the same song again? That's not Shuffling.

It's lazy. Yeah, I'm firing off an angry email to Apple. You should be thanking them, but. But either way, subject line, shuffle is bullshit. Yeah.

So anything else to wrap up this wonderful episode? I don't know. Thanks for having me on. This was a lot of fun, and it's a movie that I love so much, and I'm just really honored to be a part of it. Definitely.

Again, as I said, I'm posting my dorky picture of Chainsaw and myself, and I'm thinking, who's going to care? Wait, nobody's going to care. And I thought the only person who would really get some sort of level of, oh, my God, out of that photo was you. Yeah. Yeah, it's sad that I don't know more people that fully appreciate summer school on that one.

Well, maybe this episode will change all of that. I think it should. I think we've raised the consciousness of just how impressive and well thought out this brilliant script is. Right. Yeah.

Even I can do that. No, you can't. You tried. I gave it a shot. What do you want?

Well, I guess that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Keep our feet on the right track.

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But I believe that we know differently what we're doing, what can be done. Mind over mind. We're doing what can be done Mind over matter There's a battle that can't be won Mind over matter. If i knew anything would i be in this butthole class This show is a production of movie meltdown produced and edited by brian renfro with opening music performed by the empires to help support the show email producer at movie meltdown.com for ways that you can contribute or advertise with