163: Being a movie geek... Its in the Blood

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What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. And I'm Fred. I'm Greg. And it is time for another episode of The Caffeinated Movie Geek.

Cappuccino on my butt. I still drink coffee. The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee. It's time for The Caffeinated Movie Geek. We are coming to you live via digital recording from Nancy's Bagel Grounds, where we get together, drink coffee, talk movies, and discover how to make it in the film industry.

Or not. So, Greg, I ask you, what blend of coffee are we drinking this week? What is Pacific Blacktail? Are we going to go to Alex to see if you're right now? Yeah, it's Pacific Blacktail.

I believe you're right, yes. There's 200 points on your board, so good to go. We just had a few announcements before we get on with the show and bring in our special guest, but... I did want to, in a sort of continuation from last week's episode, I want to send out another special thank you to a donator, a supporter, someone backing us finally. Here's the part that's really, to me, kind of shocking and amazing and impressive.

I want to say thank you to Jeff Beyer. He's the guy I said thank you to last time. He has again donated to the cause. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. When I can't get anybody else to do it once, Jeff has come around and donated twice in the last couple of weeks. And a nice donation, so much so that Jeff has about bought the mixer himself. So I think I'm just going to nickname the mixer Jeff. Nice.

And I think we need to get a little nameplate for it and get one of those fancy, like the silver lettering on the Cadillacs and whatnot. We need to get one of those that just says Jeff on it. So, yeah, thank you to Jeff because he's definitely come through. There you go. He's come through for us and helped us cover the expenses here.

We're still not to our goal, but, again, it's good to know that Jeff has put us more than halfway there single-handedly. Wow. Yeah, thank you very much. Now I feel like a cheapskate. Thank you very much to Jeff for, yeah, definitely covering a decent amount of this.

And we're still not there. So anybody else, not Jeff. that would like to help keep this train rolling and keep this new constant need for new equipment and replacing stuff and keeping the website functional as bare bones as it is. Yeah, all of that we keep going in the hole for. So please send your funds if you would like to support us. And Jeff is awesome.

Everybody donate a dollar. If everybody would, it would really make a difference. But everybody goes, except for me, and then that's everybody. Nobody does it. I'm going to donate a dollar.

Just watch for my dollar. Well, then we'll be able to retire. Yeah. Well, I'm putting my money where my mouth is. Okay.

I've donated before. He's throwing down the gauntlet. So all of you have to, I think he said, what, $ 100? Yeah, all of you donate $ 100. That's what he said.

A dollar for every time you've listened to an episode. There you go. That sounds fair to me. There's plenty of... I mean, half the stuff on iTunes is like $ 1.

99 to download. That's right. We're not doing that at this point. So hopefully it won't come to that. If somebody will help support us, we won't have that.

But anyway. I hate begging. I'm just, you know, I feel like we try to give a lot. And if people want to help us out, it's greatly appreciated. Right.

Because it does... When I total up how much it is every month, it's frightening, actually. So. Just to put together something as simple as what I feel like we're trying to do, but it all adds up really fast. Okay, on to our next order of business.

This is way more interesting than asking for money. We are extremely proud to announce that Movie Meltdown has been nominated for the 10th Annual Rondo Awards. Yay! I'm proud. I'm still amazed that we get thrown into the mix with that.

There are some Some huge shows there. And also, once again, back to the last point, one or two that are massively well-financed that have huge corporate money thrown at them. And just to be thrown in the running with them, I think, speaks highly of our show. So I'm very appreciative that we've been thrown in with that. And that being said, hey, go vote for us.

Because the only thing more impressive would be actually beating those guys. Yeah. And the award is awesome. It is awesome. Just looking at the award is awesome.

Go look at the award because Brian wants that in his house. I've held one. I'm surprised they didn't chase me out of there because I was touching it. But, yeah, I've held one. It's the most awesome thing maybe ever.

And, yeah, it's pretty damned amazing. So go to RondoAward.com and look for the category Best Horror Multimedia Audio or Podcast. And that would be us. And we're listed on there as an option. You have to copy and paste the whole email.

Don't try to, like, click on things on the screen because that doesn't count. I had somebody last year tell me, I think I voted. I clicked on it. They did not send an email at all. And I'm just like, I don't even think I want to tell you.

It was after the fact. I'm just like, thanks for your help. I mean, you tried. You did your damnedest. Thank you very much.

But, yeah, if you don't actually send an email to David who runs the thing, it's not going to get counted. So I'm sure most people have done it, you know, in years past, but if you haven't, yeah, you have to copy and paste the whole ballot, put in an email, send it over to David and it actually gets counted then. So if nothing else, yeah, it's awesome that we're in the running, um, spread the word, tell your friends and most importantly, go vote for movie meltdown. And check out some of the other categories too, while you're on there. It's got some fun stuff that I didn't know about.

Yeah. I've said in years past, it's, it's, about the only award show that i think is is really impressive at this point especially of the you know the stuff going on out there there's a million stupid award shows on tv every couple of days but they're all the same stupid mainstream crap and where this is like you know where else can you vote for your favorite toy or your favorite you know extra feature on a dvd set that came out or you know favorite magazine cover i mean it's so geek friendly that Yeah, it's pretty well put together, and it definitely caters to our crowd. So, yeah, just RondoAward.com. Go check it out. Vote either way because they're awesome.

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Love like winter. Oh, oh. Love like winter. Winter. It's in the mud.

It's in the mud. I've had my love before I was born. He wanted love. You and Fred, actually. This is reminding me of voiceovers when you and Sean, and we were doing like the witches.

We did the. Voiceovers for the movie. We had to pretend like we were various monsters. All those creature effects you hear in the film are actually us just making sounds. Yeah, exactly.

Pretty much just like this. Very cool. That's good. We don't... exclusively cover horror but I swear it's a good 75% of what we talk about no we just come back to it time and time again I. Never considered myself a horror fan and then the more I got with the show I realized I guess I am this is all.

I want yeah well. You know and then I start thinking back to the things that my dad and I would go to the video store and rent and yeah right yeah I guess I am so. Well what's your favorite horror movie then I put you on the spot, I'm sorry. I mean, you think there's so many different. I still.

Say my favorite horror movie, but I'm a sci-fi geek as well. I say Alien's my favorite horror movie. Oh, man. You're in good company here, then. I think that's one.

Of the best movies for me, period. That's almost more like an action film. It's like an action horror. Action horror sci-fi. But it works as the trapped in the house with the psychopath or ghost or any of those, it works.

Lance actually came on this show not too long ago, right? Yeah, when he came to Lexington and did Scarefest, we talked to him and talked about his book and stuff. Oh, cool. How long ago was that? Less than six months.

Oh, wow, recently. End of the summer, maybe? Or maybe not even that long. It was the end of last year. Yeah, like October or something. beginning of September, October, something like that.

Very cool. There are certain movies that always come up. Alien, The Thing, that always... The Thing is kind of my go-to. You're right, you're right.

It's probably his. And I was going to say that, but I didn't want to steal his thunder. Have you seen the new, the remake of The Thing? I just watched it recently. I.

I was kind of surprised how much I didn't hate. It. I wasn't expecting the deck stacked against it. That's the best way to go into movies. If you expect the worst, then you're never disappointed.

Sometimes you still are. We just went to Universal Studios and they had things. Like you know there is the yeah war knights that was actually really. Cool that was probably the best exhibit. Full-on creature suits and yeah it was pretty impressive suits yeah for the thing yeah it was it was cool we like We like the creature outfits.

That's where it's at. Practical creature effects. You can't beat practical creature effects. That's like our Bible. Every week, we continue bitching about CG effects.

You can't really trick the human brain. You just know. You always know that it's CG whenever you see it. It's always lost. It's called Uncanny Valley.

The closer you get, the wronger it gets. Which is why motion capture has failed so humongously on Mars Needs Moms and these other films. He thinks Zemeckis is Zemeckis. Zemeckis, yeah. Zemeckis.

His are creepy. He used to be such a good filmmaker. Why? He's got 3D cartoons. He really wanted it to work.

He does. Bless his heart. He really wanted that to go right. He just didn't do it. I can see the appeal because you have 100% freedom.

You can do any shot you can possibly imagine. From the director's standpoint, definitely. But I think that that in a way is worse because you need to be limited in your imagination. Grounded a little. Your imagination thrives on that. having to work around limitations there's something about that that's true.

Mother of all invention yeah like the. Real world there are limitations yeah yeah if there are no limitations then you're just. Shopping yeah you're shopping that's not how you that's not creative that's. Not creative yeah although i gotta say i really enjoyed avatar and that one was pure brain candy. There wasn't anything real about that one.

I was in the right frame of mind when I went and saw it. It was one of those things where I'm going to give all of whatever my money I'm giving to this, and I'm just going to go for the ride. It was fun. But you remember all that hype, like movies are changed forever. I was pretty disappointed the first time I saw it, but as I watched it a couple more times, I really started to enjoy it a lot more, especially the last time I saw it.

I was like, wow, this is actually a Good movie, because when you hit some of those beats and you do it in an original way, it tends to stick with you. It's kind of like a fungus. It grows on you after a while. I'll have to go back. I stayed away, so I'll have to go back.

I mean, you're obviously not going to that film for Sam Worthington's tremendous acting, but there's still a lot of entertainment value there. Do you have a coffee for everyone? Yes, I desperately need coffee. I don't know if you guys have heard of this, but in L.A. they're getting ready to do a 5K race where you're running away from zombies for the entire time. It's around the country.

It's not in LA. San Diego? There's one in Atlanta. There's like five different locations that do it. That's got to be pretty cool.

I was going to give you that for your birthday. You ruined it. Wow. How dare you learn something that doesn't exist? You won't make that mistake again.

Did you hear what they're doing at the Comic-Con, the San Diego one this year? They've teamed up, like, I think Nerdist is doing it with LucasArts, and it's like, Course of the Force or something, and they're doing basically like the Olympic Torch Run, only with a lightsaber, all the way down the coast of California to San Diego. Yeah, it's, It's kind of ridiculous. That's going to be the. High wire mark achievement.

I think so. But it's supposedly for charity, so I guess they're doing it for you. Those are things that make me not like Star Wars. What about this? re-releasing of Star Wars again in 3D now. What about that?

I'm so tired of that, guys. I took my kids to see it because they're five and eight and they are infatuated with everything Star Wars. I didn't realize the 3D ones were out. Yeah. Unfortunately, the Phantom Menace.

Unfortunately. And, you know, it was a complete waste of time. Naturally. I. I can't really watch 3D too well anyway.

I feel like I don't see everything. Yeah. I'm kind of over the whole 3D. I mean, it's exciting for like the first 30 seconds, maybe 40. You just kind of see it like it's 2D.

Yeah. I went and saw Hugo, and that was my, I was like, this is great. He worked it. Again, you're working with a master at this point, so I wanted to see what he did, but halfway in, I was kind of like, I want to watch this on 2D DVD later. Cause yeah, I feel like you, you kind of get a better appreciation of that.

Cause you're so busy looking at the depth of it. And I'm, I don't know. I midway in, I was kind of like, yeah, I think I'd be okay with 2D. Yeah. And he did a great job with it, but it's just the novelty is worn off.

I think. Do you think Hugo's worth the great number of Oscars that it's been nominated for? I guess. I mean, it's, you know, Oscars is political. So when, when it's, When it's Scorsese and it's a love letter to the movies, I mean, it's the same reason of the artist.

I mean, they're both just, man, we love movies. So, you know, they're going to have to throw him in there for at least a lot of nominations. I don't know, but. Yeah. I'm just waiting for Star Wars in 11D.

I think you have to go with 4D. Yeah, 4D. I'll go back out. 4D, 4D. 4D sound.

You've got to have the THX going. I wanted them to, you know, when they re-released all of the original three in mid-90s, they at least had some, you know, depth of field stuff. background things that you didn't see in the first. One they just kind of cleaned it up that first time and fixed the sound and made everything you know up to date technically but they didn't mess with. It right they didn't change the story and then i thought well okay since you're going all out let's you know throw more explosions something do but it was just the same movie just with that Viewmaster, you've got like four layers. There's this layer, this layer.

It's not really 3D. It's just kind of a layered 2D. Unless you design it from the beginning with 3D and you put as much time and effort as James Cameron did, it's not going to be that impressive. Then you've seen most of it with a Viewmaster. They should have just put lightsabers in the hands of the aliens in Avatar.

That would have been perfect. When something like that happens, though, it's like, for a minute, it's super cool, but you immediately, like, okay. Where's the 4D? Where's the next? Well, that's the thing.

They think 3D is the next revolution, but it's not really that revolutionary. It's not really enhancing the experience of watching a movie. That's kind of where I foresee it failing. I don't think 3D is actually going to be the next big thing. They're trying to sell it and they're trying to push it.

I really think in a theater, they do more with sound. Sound sneaks up on you. Yeah. Yeah. It can really affect.

Francis Ford Coppola is doing this interesting thing where he's showing his film and sound mixing while he's showing it. It's a mixture between theater, essentially, and film. I thought he even had different cuts of the scenes. Oh, really? It really was like a performance art piece because he had different versions, like different takes from different actors.

And some of them read differently. So he was almost reading the audience as it's going on and picking which version. To go with. That's very interesting. That's crazy.

So it's like a theatrical, you get the feel of the room. I don't know if you film a play. You lose everything. You can't feel that feeling that happens in the room. It's alive.

And so you watch it later and you're like, ooh, God. That's nothing. Always bad. Yeah, I mean, there's no better way to undermine an actor than to show them a video of a live performance. Right.

It's so wrong. It drains all the blood out of it. That's why theater will never die as an art form because you're always just going to have people that are going to come up to other people and put on a show. Yeah. Yeah.

I think you're really spot on with the sound being a greater revolution than the visual. And we were actually talking about this earlier today where it's– if you think about it, an audience is– Scooter said this earlier. But an audience is a lot more willing to forgive poor visual quality than they are poor sound quality. If you think about it, you can go and see a movie and it can be kind of a fuzzy picture or a scratchy picture and that's acceptable. But if the sound is out of whack, you can't enjoy the movie.

It's done at that point. Yeah, that's true. I think you're right with that. Except maybe when everything's out of focus. That was the only thing in film school.

They were like, you can't claim that's art. Then you just blow the horn, right? We're at the drive-in now. I was going for a dreamy effect. It's mystical.

Well, I say this is the show. We're just leaving all that in. All the geekiness there. Again, that's sort of what we focus on. That's pretty much how it goes.

Levels of geekdom there. We've got plenty of geek for you then. There we go. That's what we're looking for. Have we not been doing the show?

Oh, this is the show. Actually, a lot of times this early stuff will turn out. It's when the best stuff comes out, really. It'll all be used. No lie.

Close the microphone. You are in town for the farm machinery show. Right exactly yeah just for that. Right that's funny I want to go to that can't wait to see the new combine oh man it's. Impressive You have to either wear green and yellow for John Deere or red for International.

That'd be a convention where I would not see myself, I would think. That would be the only. The one. I want to just start going at crashing conventions. Just like World of Warcraft characters.

You force them to kick you out. Like in Fight Club. My favorite part of that movie is just. Crashing support groups. I'm still messing with the colors thing.

Is this like an East Coast, West Coast thing? If you're wearing the wrong color, you get taken out and run over by a tractor. I got free tickets to Front Row one time for the final night. I've never been. I don't care about tractor pulls.

It was like you were at an NFL game and everybody had their gear on and they were yelling at each other, red and green. I think they ought to put taffy between the monster trucks. Speaking of size, did you hear about this soccer game in, what was it, It was Brazil, where it. Was like 80 people got killed. Really?

The two sides started a fight afterwards. They don't mess around in Brazil. They're hardcore. Well, don't quote me on that. I could have gotten the number wrong and the location wrong.

800 dead. That's what it is. It's a large number in a foreign country. And a lot of people died. It could have been people born instead of dying.

Yeah. A kid got a chip in one country. Did you guys hear about that? 800 dead in Baltimore. You heard it here.

A city, dead people. That's all we know. And a hacky sack convention. And so there's going to be a run now where people are going to try to get away from the dead people. The website is runforyourlives.com.

Bring it all back around. That's awesome. There you go. 5K. Nice callback.

I think a lot of people are going to beat their own records on that one. Yeah. I wonder how fast the zombies are. That would be. They're actors?

I don't know. Are they Danny Boyle zombies? Night of the Living Dead zombies? Zack Snyder zombies? It's going to be like Capture.

The Flag, though. You have multiple flags that they can. And you have to get them off the zombies? No, they have to get them off you and at a certain point, then I guess you might have to stop running. So these zombies are cognizant enough to at least recognize that they have a duty.

They're actors with blood makeup on. They're not real zombies? What is the fun with that? Did you not know zombies don't exist? What the hell?

I never got the memo. This is like Santa Claus here. I'm like breaking the rules. I can only hope that they collide with the Star Wars running with a lightsaber. Some sort of lightsaber battle with zombies.

Geeks will just have heart attacks and die. There's too much there. They can't deal with that. I wonder if they could have ways for, like if your friend is running and turns, then all of a sudden in your pack, your friend starts ribbing people. That would be pretty cool.

Everybody has to have someone turn. Yeah, what happens? Ninja flashback. Ninja flashback. Since we're well into it, we should probably do the introduction.

We're back, and we. Want to welcome you, this week's special guest co-host. We have three. We have Rose Cirna, Scooter Downey, and Sean Elliott. So I'll let you guys sort of do the rundown.

I know however you want to bill yourself. I know we've got writers and writer-directors and writer-actors. So however you want to explain, you're up. how you got here in this, uh, in this place in your life. This crazy place that we call earth. Uh, yeah, well, you know, I always call Sean, my heterosexual life partner, you know, that's my best way to describe it.

You know, we've been friends since we've been five and, uh, we're, you know, a filmmaking team. I directed this one, we wrote it together, produced it. He was the co-star and, uh, Lance Hendrickson, uh, is the star of the film. And, uh, Rose Cerna is, uh, supporting actress and you know the film is a psychological horror movie about father and son they're estranged and there's something mysterious in their past that's happened that we're trying to understand as the movie progresses and so the father takes the son out to the woods to kind of bury the hatchet try to reconcile their relationship and things don't go well and there's a monster or something out there and they're being hunted and they're starting to go crazy and it gets into Real territory.

Real territory. In short, it's amazing. Yeah, that's the pitch. And we're showing it at the Clifton Center in Louisville, I guess. I don't know when this is.

Saturday the 18th at 8. Yeah, in the past. Last week, it was amazing. Yeah, it sold for like $ 5 million. The push now is to watch it in your city as we're touring around the country.

That's your pitch. That's true. Yeah, we're making the festival rounds now, so it's more likely than not going to be somewhere close to you out there. Yeah, we've got people in all different cities. So it's, yeah, I'd say just look at whatever film festival in your area or there's a million horror conventions.

Are you guys hitting those too? Yeah, we're going to try to. You know, we haven't really looked into those yet because we've been trying to deal with film festivals. But Lance is probably going to go to a bunch of horror conventions this year. Work it in, yeah.

That's how he does his magic. It's a good tie-in. Yeah, we'll try to maybe see if we can show the film there. Definitely. Which, by the way, it's...

It's in the blood? It's in the blood. Yes, it is. I'm like, wait, did he say the name? I'll be trying to figure out, what's that Lance movie?

It's that Lance movie that he's in. He's only done one or two. Or 200. Over 200 movies. He's been in, I've said this to Brian, he's been in more movies than I've seen.

Yeah. Probably so. It's very true. When we were going to cast him, I was like, maybe I should go and try to go through his filmography. And then I quickly learned that he was in more films than I could probably watch in an entire year.

Yeah, I realized that when we talked to him. I was like, oh, let's see. What do I want to talk to him about? Oh, my God. Never mind.

How about Aliens? Has anybody seen that one? Yeah, it was too much to deal with. Yeah, you can pretty much just watch that one over and over again. We probably won't talk about Sasquatch.

Yeah. I haven't seen that one. Oh, and we watched that one a year or so ago on the show and it's, it's, it's got its issues. But even in the discussion, we were like, Lance brings his A game. I mean, like no matter what the movie is, he's always good.

He says there's a low budget films, but not low budget acting. That's yeah. That's, that's how he operates. It's definitely, you can tell when you're dealing with, you know, a high class actor and, he's always done nothing but deliver good. Performance he takes it really really seriously he's a he's a he's a good guy he really it doesn't matter what the project is he gives a hundred percent all the time and he doesn't complain i mean he was not a prima donna during this shoot he we had him doing heinous stuff and we we just beat the absolute crap out of him we were dragging him through the mud kicking him in the head he did a.

Lot of really bad stuff to him and He just took it in stride. He's a, he's a camera. Yeah. There's a scene that was actually deleted from the film where Sean's character, you know, is put Lance on his little sled that he's trying to get him out of the woods in. And, he was having to take him up this hill.

Yeah, let me add a little bit more to the story. Scooter's having me drag Lance on the sled that, first of all, it was built upside down, so, like, there's these prongs digging into the ground, so I can't move at all. And then Scooter sees this, like, I don't know, 45-degree hill, and he's like, hey, Sean, why don't you just pull Lance up that hill? It's like, they position the sled, and he gets the camera set up. It takes, you know, 45 minutes to get everything set up, and Lance gets on the sled, and he's like, all right, Sean, action!

Ha! And I'm struggling with all my mind to try to pull Lance up this hill. And I can't do it. And they're just standing there making fun of me. I think I'm pathetic for not being able to pull up this hill.

I'm like, okay, this is where I need to go in and inspire Sean to really put all of his heart into it. It's like, I can do this. So I go and I pick up the sled. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do this. And I take one step, slip, and kick Lance in the back of the head as hard as I possibly can.

Hard enough that I felt it. I mean, that was a thud. He just kind of looked at me and he was just like, oh. Well, he looked at you like that because he was almost knocked out. You see stars.

Yeah, so he's a tough cookie. Draw all your inspiration from Snow Dogs. I mean, really dig deep for that. Yeah, exactly. Cuba Gooding Jr., that's what you've got to think of.

Academy Award winner, Cuba Gooding Jr. Yeah, exactly. So I guess originally you were from here, at least two of you. Yeah, we're both from here and both Ballard alums, and yeah, this is our place of birth. This is the motherland.

We've pulled in some good stuff. I mean, just a couple of weeks back, we had Jeff Schweixler here, who's gone on to do a lot of really good stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of Kentuckians out there. And I'm still working on that Jennifer Lawrence thing. She's dragging her feet.

She's busy, I think. I don't know why she hasn't called me back, but it's my goal. I'm working on it. I used to actually babysit her. See?

Yeah, I do. I mean, she was that. More babysitter stories. There you go. She was here like two years ago, and we had it planned out to do a whole interview with her.

And, yeah, she had whatever was scheduled that day kind of pushed us out of it. The Oscars. Right. Look, we outranked the Oscars. She needed to go get a donut somewhere.

She didn't care. No. Once again. I don't want to think. But, yeah, it's kind of surprising how much, you know, impressive up-and-coming kind of people we've pulled out of our town here.

So I'm sort of proud of us lately. Yeah, yeah, we should be. We should stand up and be proud and just proclaim our. Kentuckians unite. Yeah.

And talk about tractor pulls and what not. I think I read somewhere that actually Kentucky is the state most mentioned in film titles, more than any other state. Really? There are more film titles with Kentucky in it. Hmm.

There's a lot of rhyming in Kentucky. Yeah, I didn't investigate it myself. Yeah, this sounds like a Google search we need to work with. Yeah, you guys need a fact checker on that one. That's your job, Fred.

You do. Yeah, give me the fact checking job. Usually you're the fact making up portion of the show. Close enough. We're storytellers.

Yeah, he's a man after my own heart. It doesn't really matter what you say as long as you say it with conviction. Yeah. We've learned that. It's kind of like writing essays in school, you know?

Oh, man. I used to love that. Just throw a bunch of big words out on a page and you got it. I think that's actually, it's in the. Blood?

Well, it's in the Manual of Style, the Strunk White Manual of Style. It says if you don't know how to pronounce a word, Say it loud. Because it's not going to be any. Better because you mumble. Just go with it.

I'm pretty sure that's actually in there. I can check that. You get on it. Kind of like when you're talking to somebody that's maybe got a little bit of a vision problem, you just start talking really loud for some reason. I'm not deaf.

Hello. Oh, but I do. This is really horrible. I take on people's accents. Oh, no.

That just kind of happens. Yeah. I knew a guy that had a stutter and it would make, he would make people do it around him. And the thing is you'd feel like he would, yeah, other people would start to do it the more they were around him. And you'd think, like, oh, I'm going to offend him.

He thought it was hilarious because everybody started talking like him. He's like, I've leveled the playing field. Finally, you all have to talk like I do all day long. Yeah, I went to a baseball camp in Alabama one time. And literally within two or three hours, I was talking like a true Alabamian.

You just want to fit in. You just want to be like everybody else. I just want to be like everyone else. My dad was from the mountains in North Carolina. and his accent would change on the drive there. Pairing himself.

Yeah. He would, you know, because he was. He was a professor, and he had a kind of elevated diction, but then he'd be driving back to the mountains, and you'd just start to hear that twang. And they asked him once to narrate a film, and he said, I don't know if you want me. I've got a bit of a twang in my voice.

And they said, yeah, we know that's why we're asking. Yeah, you know, you've got to... Accents are interesting, you know. You don't want the entire world to have a standardized accent, you know. Yeah.

It's kind of boring. It's the spice of life. We were kind of talking about that. There's almost a new transatlantic diction. That's what I brought up with Jess was, like, if, you know, now that we've moved into this digital age where you're talking to people on Skype from across the country or around the world and you're watching media that's from New York and L.A. constantly, it's like at what point do you start to lose that, like, Local, yeah, I mean, your individual areas kind of sound, I don't know, eventually that might start to take its toll.

That is a powerful force because, you know, if you start to imitate people and everybody starts to imitate, then it all sort of becomes the same. But on the other hand, there's another force like grass growing through the pavement, and that's just people making up weird stuff. Well, it's really interesting that you say weird stuff, though. You begin to notice, like, with all the texting that takes place, you get things like FYI and People's Ordinary Speech or OMG. We're actually losing our language.

Not only are we losing our accents, but we're losing the language altogether. So it's just these little letter combinations. It's like when. I was in Paris just for a little while, I told people I was starting to lose my English, and they're like, that's really good. You've only been there for...

It's like, no, I don't speak French either. I'm just, I'm just going blank. I can see how that would be okay if I was speaking French, but I don't, I don't know any French. Yeah. I just saw this YouTube video of, uh, they did it, I guess it was a social experiment where they, this lady goes on a train and just starts to laugh and Within two minutes, everybody on the train is laughing.

It just goes to show you, you know, monkey see, monkey do. It's funny about that because we were talking about live theater. My wife is one of these people. She doesn't, like, laugh with the crowd. When something's funny to her, she laughs.

And so sometimes we'll be in a performance, a live performance of a play, and she just busts out laughing. But then there's that laugh like a few seconds later because then other people get it. So it has kind of an echo. She's not as delayed? Yeah.

She should go on sitcoms and be the laugh track. Then cue everyone to laugh. Yeah, I think if you ever have like a critical discussion of something you've written, it's always good to have a partner, a confederate there in the audience to who can start with the first question and say something like, well, I think this is the finest piece of literature I've read since Shakespeare. And it just sets the tone for everybody else. Now that he mentions it.

That will happen with movies, I think, well, especially like film festivals, where a movie, you're in that crowd and you're like, okay, we're going to see something that nobody's seen yet, or very few people have seen yet, and it's almost like a. I don't know what it is. It's a togetherness where you're all going to agree that this is going to be good, and we're going to find the great parts about it. And they usually are very good, but then you see it, and it's like, what was special about that? I don't remember.

It's with the crowd. The audience brings light. The second you walk into a theater, I remember when we were in Austin, actually, we went to see, what was it, Clash of the Tight? No, it was something. Sooner or later, I went and saw some movie where it was just a really engaged audience.

It wasn't even about the movie being good, but it was the fact that the audience was so engaged. Are you talking about when we saw the sing-along at the Alamo Drafthouse of Total Recall? I saw that. I didn't see that one. It's great when you have people that are really enthused to go see a movie.

It becomes its own animal. At what point do you sing in that? Or is it just echoing the lines? It was like Mystery Science Theater. We had comedians there that were doing...

There's a lot of that now. People are doing sort of the. Talking during the movie, making fun of it, which is kind of what we do when we watch stuff anyway. So it's funny that it's just transcended into a bigger audience now. It's really frustrating, though.

I've seen some movies in the theater and then seen them again, because I'm like 300 years old or something, like a decade later, and the audience is just totally different. They don't laugh at the same times. What was it? A friend of mine, was it Ghost World? Ghost World, the movie with Thoroughbred.

And she has this art teacher, her summer school art teacher, who's like a performance video nut job. That's about right, yeah. They show. Well, anyway, he had a pirated version of the movie, which was screened in Japan. And the audience just laughed at all the different times.

They took the art teacher totally seriously. But they laughed at the student work. The student work. Just was hilarious to them. And somehow, I don't know, watching the pirated copy, it was one of those where you could see people get up.

Not a lot, but you'd be going through the movie and all of a sudden somebody gets up and comes. Yeah, you can't watch the same movie again. You're a different person when you watch it. You're older. I actually just was able to watch Jaws in the theater for the first time.

And that was the movie that made me fall in love with movies. I think I've seen it. like over a hundred times and I saw it in LA for the first time in the theater and everybody that was there was a huge fan of the film and there were actually a lot of people there who had never seen it so they were seeing it for the first time in the theater on the big screen and they were jumping and laughing at all the right parts and yeah it was really. Incredible it's amazing how well it holds up I just rewatched it for the show a few months ago and it's yeah it's amazing like it's barely dated other than the clothes you know it's like It's still so tight and well put together that it does not feel like it's been that long since they made that movie.

Yeah, that's the movie that the word blockbuster came from. It changed the whole industry. Well, it also nearly wiped out the shark population of the planet because everybody was so terrified of sharks after it came out that they just went out and started killing sharks left and right. I figured more than that, it probably wiped out the beach-going population. Every beach town probably went broke that next summer.

How did we not talk about That during the trauma episode. That's like the most traumatic movie. Sequel, I'm telling you. We come back to that. It's kind of funny because my mom actually auditioned for Jaws.

I think she auditioned for Jaws 2. It's the skier that gets eaten. Spoiler alert! And my mom and my dad. Their first blind date was seeing the movie Jaws.

Wow. Your mom was so upset. Like, you just brought back all these old memories and she was so angry that she didn't. No, no, my dad, uh, no, that was the first one that they saw together. And my dad, uh, threw his popcorn in the air when the, uh, the skeleton pops out of the boat.

That's a, that's an effective moment. And they, they went to the ocean the next day and, uh, my dad wouldn't get in the water and she was like, I don't know how she fell in love with him then, but I. Guess, uh, How do you think your dad would feel about you revealing this information? He's so proud. I mean, he's scary sharp.

In my experience, women really fall in love with guys because they sense they need help. That's the real thing, or at least that explains my relationship. You've got to balance vulnerability with kind of the tough, you know, ruggedly handsome thing, you know. Right. So I guess it didn't, it, Jaws sort of implanted itself on the DNA.

Before you were even made, it was already in the works. It's in the blood. It's in the blood plug. Speaking of 4D, I watched Poltergeist with my wife in the theater, and there's a little jack-in-the-box that jumps out from under it. She had one of those big theater cokes, and she dumped it in my lap.

And not just like, you know, whoops. It was like somehow she threw the liquid in the air, caught it with the cup, and threw it down forcefully into my lap. And that's special effects. What he's not revealing is this happened after the movie was done showing. She throws this cup in your lap.

Yeah, that was amazing. Oh, wow. She's a great theater goer. I'd go to watch her, it seems. That's kind of what I do.

Yeah, Poltergeist. That's a great movie. Actually... That's one of the best horror films, in my opinion. I love that one.

The movie that... I haven't been so scared in a movie since I've been 10 years old, but Insidious. Did you guys see that? That's one that I've not watched. That made me scare like a little girl.

I mean, I was just. I don't know. I broke that part of me that gets scared at movies. I thought I did too, but something about that just reached inside of me and shook me. Wow.

Well, you mentioned Jaws and some of the, I guess, what were some of those formative, I guess, what's that moment when you decided you wanted. To do that? I guess subconsciously it was Jaws just because, you know, I saw that. But the other big, and it was also a big one for Sean, was Jurassic Park. Oh, yeah.

I remember seeing when the Dilophosaurus takes its neck out. It was terrifying, you know. But, yeah, I mean. you're influenced by everything. I mean, especially if you're a movie nerd like me, you know, you see everything and you're influenced by it. To a very large degree.

I think I probably speak for both of us here. As we were graduating through high school, 10th, 11th and 12th grade correlated with the release of the Lord of the Rings movies. And, you know, for those formative period, for that formative period of. Our lives, like that meant everything to us. I mean, we were the biggest nerds.

I remember like when the third one came out, this is our senior year. And we, we, We were those guys who– we skipped school that day so we could watch the first two ones before going to see the. Third one that day. And when it finally ended, like we were broken. We were just crushed.

But we didn't want to cry in the theater. So we're walking out to the car. We were with a friend of ours. We're like– We'll see you later. No big deal.

And then we all go to our cars. The second we each get into our car, they call a scooter. And we were just. Bawling on the phone. We were so broken that Lord of the Rings was over.

And I was broken for like a week straight. It destroyed me. But I mean, that movie, I don't know why I told that. Story, but. because it's fun but point being that that that movie or that series of movies really solidified it for me like the magic of cinema you know the power just to take you somewhere and you know. For for the three hours or two hours however long the movie is.

17 40 hours. But you can be completely free from your ordinary experience and lord of the rings just yeah it was that for me so that one was a huge inspiration for me to get into film. Well, that makes me ask, what was it like when you saw the Hobbit trailers coming out? Wow, yeah. Because I just saw the first one.

I can't say that on the radio. We're internet. You can say whatever you want. I was going to say, yeah, the music to that trailer, it comes in my ear pussy so hard. I'll sit.

I'm not even watching. You are right at home on this show. I'm not really even watching the trailer anymore. I'm just playing it just to listen to the music over and over and over again. Yeah, it grows on you.

The first time I saw it, I was like, something feels off, and then I realized that They were trying to give that impression of growing darkness, you know, because it's like Sauron is rising, you know, and it creates a feeling of melancholy. And, yeah, I think it's going to be pretty interesting. I'm actually also kind of excited about Wrath of the Titans. Like, The Clash of the Titans, I enjoyed it. I didn't think it was a particularly good movie.

But because it was such a humongous sex. Success because it was such a huge success i'm i'm hopeful that this next one actually is going to get a little bit more love and you know there's gonna be more script there it. Was one of those weird like it It made a lot of money, but everyone collectively didn't like it. It was successful, but yet not. It was a lame script.

Immortals came out, and I was so disappointed with their rendition of the Titans. It was these little desert people. I wouldn't have even been scared of them. I'm really excited about Wrath of the Titans because we're at least getting to see these epic gods. Those kind of battles just always excite me.

Yeah. Yeah, and then I... Sean really likes the, you know, the schlocky horror films, and I've kind of actually grown attached to them more in recent years. Because I've made him watch so many of them. You start to, you know...

I guess you shouldn't really reveal, like, your personal trash, I guess. That's all we do on this show. Yeah, but I guess in film school, you know, you watch all those artsy-fartsy films and European films, and, you know, there is a lot to say for those kind of films that just are documenting the human kind of experience. I think Bergman was a big kind of influence on me, and it actually affected this movie. There's kind of some dark Bergman movies, you can watch one and you don't really need to watch any more of them because they're all essentially iterations of the same thing.

People stuck in a cabin just kind of miserable. And then it goes downhill from there. Exactly, yeah. We can play both ends of it. We can all do the what's the most trashy movie that you really kind of love game.

We got Birdman on one end, so what's one of the trashier ones? The trashy ones. Well, there's the classics like what's that one where there's little gnome creatures and there's the green slime that everybody has to eat? Trolls 2. Trolls 2.

That's so bad. Epic bad. That's epically bad, exactly. I love that one. Man, there's so many.

We've been accumulating like a list. I mean, there's a lot of really bad movies out there. Actually, what was that movie we watched that was about the orca whales at the end? Oh, man. It was like Jaws.

It was like this cheap Italian ripoff of Jaws. There were about 20, especially Italian. They did like a big knockoff of them. I think it was an octopus or something was there. Was there a villain?

There is an orca. Peter Fonda is in it. It's a very strange film. They dub everybody's voices. Is it orca?

I don't think Peter Fonda's in it. No, it wasn't Orca. Orca's the one where they kill the little baby and the. Mother's getting revenge. That's like Jaws 4 or whatever.

Yeah, that's right. Well, the Bergman movie that occurs to me with schlock horror is, you know, The Virgin Spring. Yeah, that actually is a great movie. Last House on the Left, it inspired that. Yeah, that's based on a myth, right?

It's an old story. Yeah, I believe it is. Yeah, that's brutal. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. Well, since we're bringing it up, and I know, Greg, this is one of your favorites, earlier today I was trying to describe to someone the plot of Against the Dark.

Hell yeah. In this building, we have the Against the Dark hallway because it goes on forever. Are you guys familiar with Against the Dark? Against the Dark is Seek It Out. It's Steven Seagal does a zombie movie.

Oh, wow. It's supposed to be vampires, but they're so iffy on their mythology that you're like, are they zombies now? It's a science fiction or. Or a supernatural thing. We don't know.

I'm bringing this guy that another member of the show watched separate from me, because I was a fan at that point. And we both saw that the guy that does all the fighting for Seagal, because he can't fight anymore, it looks like a cheap rock. He's the bargain basement rock. And it's got. Two Trinities from The Matrix that never have a line that, you know, spoiler alert.

They just walk around in their big coats. But they're trapped in this... It's a hospital, I think. It's a hospital, but it goes on for days. And they're, you know, inexplicably say... well, I'm going to go over here and check this room.

When they clearly have to get out of the building, I'm going to go check this room just so they can have more fighting scenes. It's one of the worst fast movie. That sounds amazing. I really look forward to that one. And it's recent.

So it's Seagal at... his biggest. And his fighting best. He doesn't even fight. I didn't even know they made leather that big. That big.

How many cows is that? He stays bundled up in this coat the whole time so you can't tell. I guess. But I mean, he's just so big compared to what he used to be when he kind of pretended like he could fight. It's such a nightmare.

There are times where he tries to kick and can't lift his leg. And they left it in. And they left it in. And my favorite part is nearing the very end of the movie, they introduce a little girl character. And she's down the hall and, you know, please come save me.

And obviously she's one of the vampires. But they're going to fall into the trap of trying to help her. And you're like, please, God, make her be a vampire so that we don't have to introduce another character because I want this movie over. It's that bad. Him and Jean-Claude Van Damme with his roundhouse kicks.

Any movie that those guys touch just turns to gold. I love them both. Van Damme had the skill to do it. Back in the early days, he was pretty fit. He was a.

Badass, but Seagal, he was always questionable. My favorite description of Seagal, and it made me go on a binge watching him, And I wish I could credit who wrote this about him, but they said he has this strange combination of sort of a blue-collar, working-class guy with his Eastern mysticism. It's like he's the mysterious presence at the backyard barbecue. It sounds like a child molester or something. Who's that guy?

Why is he hanging out by the playground? I like that he doesn't even pick one. He just wants to be mystical. He's like, sometimes I'm Native American mystical. I'm a shaman.

I'm Eastern philosophy. Jimi Hendrix. I have my own sports drink. Magic is magic across the board. And I think that's how Steven Seagal functions.

Yeah, the magic that made his career. Jean-Claude Van Damme's more of your romantic, kind of Pepe Le Pew martial artist type character. Did you ever see the movie The Quest with Jean-Claude Van Damme? It was one of those movies where he had to fight to regain the honor of his friends and win the Golden Dragon. I remember that one, but I don't remember watching it in its entirety.

That was a really good one. He has to fight that. That big chubby Mongolian guy at the end. Oh, I love that movie. That was also one of the films that made me want to become a filmmaker.

See, this is what we need to find out. The seedy underbelly of the industry that pushed you into it. Yeah, it just goes downhill from there. You'll never achieve that level of excellence. No.

One could only dream. You also like the Barbarians, right? Oh, man. The Barbarian Brothers. Thank you for reminding me.

That's way better than the one with the green stuff. You do have that level that we appreciate. Oh, man. I love the really, really bad ones. I love movies that don't require anything from me.

That's what I like. You know, it's like, you get off work and you just, you don't want to have to think, you don't want to do anything. I just, I want a movie that goes on and I don't have to give it anything. You're like, The Barbarians or Tree of Life? Which do I want?

No, it's an easy pick. I would pick Barbarians every time. Every time. That's what I love about Sean. He always drags me down.

Yeah, unless I'm trying to impress my girlfriend, I wouldn't bother watching a particularly intelligent movie. Oh, luckily occasionally it works. I'm into the show, and I feel like I class myself up a little bit. I'm like, hey, this has subtitles. I'm like a grown-up now.

I'm a big boy now. It's pretty fancy then, but, you know, then next week we're back to watching, you know, Creature with Klaus Kinski. You know, you can. Turn those subtitles on anyway and feel like you're classing it up. That's true.

Sometimes you need to. It just depends on how bad. The dialect is. I'm like, I do that a lot at my house just because people keep talking and stuff. I have to read it anyway.

It's a good way to learn a language. You just put on the subtitles. Yeah, I want to watch all the Simpsons in Spanish and see what happens. See what happens. It's either that or I'll pick it up from my owner's manuals.

You know, there's a lot of language in there. The hardest thing you could read in another language you're reading. Yeah. Are you the one male in the world who actually reads the owner's manual? You know, I called Apple once because I read my user agreement, and I bought this thing that was supposed to be like I could use it, all the family members can use it, but they put the same EULA as the single user agreement, and I'm supposed to agree to it, To install it.

So you actually read it. I read it. You read it. Which is good. I read it.

Okay, not only did I read it, and it's like, okay, this is the wrong EULA. You know, I'm supposed to agree to only use this on one computer, and that's not why I paid 20 bucks more. So I called Apple, and I get a kid on the phone. His name was Sean. Wow.

I remember the guy. I know. And he's like, yeah, that sounds weird. I don't know. Actually, I can go down and check if you hold on for a minute.

I'll go down. And he goes down to the legal room, and he talks to them about this. And he comes back, and he says, yeah, actually, buying the family deal overrides that. The EULA. So you just go ahead and install it, and it's all good.

It's that action permits you. But they said it's really good that you're reading the agreement. And I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Why is it good that I'm reading this? Because we are not familiar with it.

Well, they're not bothering to write it. This sounds like one of those situations that could only be resolved. Through an angry letter. Yeah. We're glad to know you.

We're screwing you. Yeah. Thanks for bringing it up, because we really unread through all that nonsense. Yeah, I'm not. Really that crazy, but the reason I was doing that is I had just heard a story about software being repackaged.

And basically, it's the same software, but you pay. More for it for the user agreement. It's like, why am I paying more for it? It's the Apple way. It's the Apple way, yeah, indeed.

Yeah, actually, speaking of languages, I just... re-watched Shutter Island and I decided, you know, I'm just going to watch this movie in French because I felt like, you know, that movie lent itself to just being in French. It was a lot better in French. Really? Well, you probably don't need the dialogue. Yeah.

I don't want to, I want to sound bad, but most of that movie is just visual anyway. Yeah. That's what I remember taking from it is how impressive was this shot, how, you know, and the feeling, the ambiance of, especially like in the The prison prison that they... That's creepy. It's creepy.

Yeah, it's creepy. That's the first thing they try to teach you in film school is, okay, you're making a silent movie. You have to really make it a visual experience. Stanley Kubrick says film is an expression of mood. It should work like music.

So I think that's true to some extent. You're really just trying to enchant your audience with some kind of general... atmosphere and you know that that helps sets the stage for them to come in and enjoy the story. Yeah it's especially from him who kind of knew how to do that and traumatize people based on our recent discussion he's is he tied with lynch i think so yeah we're discussing movies that traumatize you in every few minutes we'd be like and then kubrick you know so yeah so yeah he's visually amazing and traumatized. Well, I know he did Ghost of Mars, too, didn't he? That's Carpenter.

Oh, Carpenter, that's right. Yeah, that really sucked. I just watched it recently. I have to say, I was entertained on probably the level we... Right, yeah.

It was so not what I was expecting, but it was kind of a fun ride. Did you ever see a horror film called simply They? It was just They, and it was about these.... I remember the title. Night terrors and.

They hide in the shadows and they mark you when you're a kid and then when you grow up they come back to collect you and if you go in they can only travel in the shadows or something like that. I kind of remember this on VHS but I don't remember watching it but I remember the title. That was a movie. We like those. That's why they created the night light.

You need that. Oh, let's see. I had one more sort of legit question. We get carried away on her geeky tangent, so we can round out with plenty more of those. But I was going to ask, as far as, you know, anytime I sit down with a filmmaker, I like to ask, because it's such a different world than it was even 10, 15 years ago, what your thoughts are on the whole system, as it.

Were, now? Mm-hmm. The new media, the new avenues of distribution, the new ways to reach your audience. What are your thoughts on all of it? I think that in the same way that the studio system kind of collapsed at the time when Scorsese and Coppola and Spielberg and all those guys got a chance and they were actually recruiting from film schools, I think a similar thing is going to happen again.

I think film is becoming more accessible to everybody. People can shoot films on an iPhone now, you know, and at the end of the day, if you're just telling a good story, uh, people are going to find it, they're going to find it out. Things can go viral in a second. So I think it's definitely shifting into a new, exciting territory for independent film. And not a second to assume is it's, I mean, it's been.

Such crap for the past 10 years where it's just like, everything is a superhero movie or a reboot or or. A board game. Nobody's willing to take a risk because everybody's so scared. He said risk and board game. These are the jokes, kids.

Actually, I remember a story about Mario Puzo was trying to write Monopoly. And I heard the story. The person telling the story was a guy who pitched movies. And he said it was the only time the pitch was one word. It was Monopoly.

And I said, what about it? I just think it would be cool to have a movie based on Monopoly. Sold. And then they were going to get Mario Puzo to write it because he was interested in gambling. And they asked him, okay, they had a meeting.

How are we going to do this? And he's like, pay me. Give me money why should I. Explain it to you and they were really disappointed they were kind of stunned but you know he's right because why should he solve the problem and then give it to him you know he's sort of proved who he is you know but yeah I kept watching for that movie they didn't pay him did. They no.

I think the gatekeepers are going to go away. The gatekeepers are going to become the marketplace. They're going to become the audience. People are going to be able to have the ability to choose what movies that they want to see. It's not going to be spoon-fed to them from on high.

Yeah, the power will return to the people. Fight the man and all that. Exactly. Damn the man. Well, and especially now the whole new distribution options that, I mean, if you're an independent filmmaker, you can kind of bypass.

I mean, you can do the film fest, but you don't even have to worry about theatrical. You can go straight to cable, you know, and you can start, like, doing, you know, direct feeds to people's houses and have your premiere be at their house, basically. So it's... That's going to change things, I think, quite a bit once it sort of gains a little respect and people start doing it, like recognizable directors start doing it, which they're already kind of trying. Yeah.

I think it'll be a landslide when it does finally go. Yeah. It will. There's an opportunity right now because I think Especially, it's the same thing that happened to the music industry. I think, to a large extent, the price point is way too high, and people aren't going to keep shelling out, especially when you have to go to the movie theater, that amount of money just to enjoy a crappy movie.

3Ds, I don't know actually what the prices are here, but in LA, it's like $ 16. 50 for one movie ticket. It's pretty close here, yeah. It's just absurd now. I took kids at a matinee to see a 3D and spent $ 32.

00. For a matinee for kids, you know, you think. For kids, right. I think it might actually kind of go in a direction where there will be sort of those big tentpole releases, maybe one or two of those studios will survive, and they're going to, you know, make these giant movies, and it's going to be more of like this giant, they're going to try to make it a giant experience. But, you know.

Like reinvent the Lord of the Rings or something, like they'll just do something really cool. Well, it's going to be more, you know, spectacle, like you want to go in, you know, have dinner in the theater. Yeah, I think they need to explore, like, the theater. I mean, the Alamo Drafthouse is gold. That's one of the best chains of vehicles I've ever been to.

And it's not because it's pretty or nice. I mean, it's kind of smelly and it's kind of messy and dirty and run down, but it's the best movie experience you can get. They bring you food, they bring you drinks. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the high points of living in Austin is getting to go see movies there. Yeah, and the audience's perspective and wants are going to change once they start to really encounter more different types of films you know because i think most people just kind of are going through their day and then you know maybe like they'll go see a movie on the weekend and they'll just go see whatever you know is out it's sort of popular but i think as it becomes more uh easily accessible it's gonna the shift in taste is going to occur at least that's what i hope.

For probably yeah i think yeah in the next 10 years it's some radical changes. Going on yeah absolutely That's assuming the world doesn't end on December 21st, 2012. That's true. We're almost out of here, really. A couple more months, we'll pack it up.

I'm going to find John Cusack. He's your guy. I'm going to see if you can't help me out of this place. I'm going to just borrow a lot of money. I just hope he shows up at my house with a bootleg.

Actually, I looked that up because when my kids were in middle school, every day they were talking about the end of the world and they were. Freaked out about it. I looked it up. The whole thing comes from one guy. It's like this new age guy from Wisconsin came up with the 2012...

Nobody who studies Mayan. Calendars seriously sees. Anything about that. He's just one guy, but it's such a fun story. It makes for a good time.

People have been saying the end of the world is going to come for a long time. The world has been ending for as long as humanity has been alive. In a sense, you have to understand it like it's an end of an era. It's an end of a certain. Way of doing things i guess.

Everything passes through its life cycle it's death rebirth death rebirth so i see no reason to assume that this is going to be whatever the world's going to be going through in the next 10 15 years i see no reason why it would be any different. Well, one thing will always be with us, and it's going to be those bagged ice boxes. They say ice, and. They have like a little snow drift on the letters. Those have been around since I was.

A baby, and they're still going to be. You always are going to have to go get a bag of ice. Okay, water can be piped. No, no, no, no. We need a bag.

But no, you have to go get your. Stop on your way and get a bag. It's always annoying. You have to crush it up. You have to take the bag and beat it on the sink.

Those are never fun. I always picture the guy that loads the bag like, you know... I mean, I'm sure it's all mechanical, but yeah, I just, I don't know. I always question where my ice comes from. Like, especially if you go to a, if you've gone to a restaurant or whatever, or a, or this fast food restaurant and.

You get the ice. You didn't see that study, did you? They don't put it on the machine. Yeah, they didn't see that study. I can't.

Yeah, it's terrible. It was a kid's science project. She found out there was more bacteria in the ice machine at the restaurant than in the commode. Nice. Yummy.

Yeah. Oh, wow. So, yeah. That only makes you stronger, guys. It helps your immune system.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's not the bacteria, it's the point. Beavis and Butthead were supposed to clean out that ice machine. Maybe I don't want them doing it.

Let's talk about movies, maybe. We usually do a whole section of our geek activities. That's just kind of what we've seen or what we've done that we're geeky about. I was going to throw it out there to you guys if you have anything you've Seen or done or... If not, I can go first and give you an example.

Yeah, could you please restate the question before I answer? Mine's just sort of... No, that seems complicated. But I'll tell you what I watched. And I had a couple that I thought would be interesting to talk to you guys about.

I did just this past week watch The House of the Devil, which I didn't know if you'd seen. I feel like I may have seen that. It's Ty West, so I thought that was... He's one of those that was sort of an up-and-coming indie filmmaker, and now he's... He's kind of making bigger projects and getting stuff thrown at him, so I didn't know if you guys had seen that one.

Yeah, I haven't seen that one yet, I don't think. The most recent horror film that I saw was that... Don't be afraid of the dark, the Guillermo del Toro. I just– the produced one, yeah. I saw that a couple weeks ago and it's– again, I kind of went in with low expectations and enjoyed it really.

I love the old TV show. I thought it was fun. Yeah. It kind of– it felt like a really well-financed episode of Goosebumps. It was just like– it felt like that.

I think he's– I think I read he– saw it on television as a kid or something originally and it scared him to death it was the thing. That scared him one episode where this kid is uh inside this abandoned mall and it's like he's playing he's like inside of a video game kind of and it's inside of this mall and he get he you know he goes through each stage of the video game and and he gets to the end and he wins and then it starts all over again. And I remember that was really terrifying. You get an extra life. Yeah, it was about as uplifting as the ending of Insidious.

Yeah, that's a feel-good film. Guillermo del Toro, stylistically, he's got really neat vision. I would have actually been interested to see what he would have done with The Hobbit. I mean, obviously, I'm happy Peter Jackson is doing it, but it would have been really cool to see his visualization of that, I think. Yeah, I was wondering what you thought.

Because that's kind of what I thought, too. I was like, well, we've already seen what Jackson does with this little world. It's like it would have been interesting to see it sort of through his eyes and see what Del Toro does. I'm still happy because it feels like an extension of the other movies. But yeah, it definitely would have been neat to kind of see it reinvented again.

I mean, I've got more stuff unless you guys have seen anything interesting lately. That was the last thing. Oh, you saw... margaret recently right there's that new great not not really horror related but. I wouldn't necessarily horror related. That's horror really.

That was that was horror. We went we went on a nice little tangent about the vow last episode actually oh no oh that channing to you. I want to see the Harry Potter movie, the one where Daniel Radcliffe's in the horror movie. It's out right now. I love how it's not a Harry Potter movie, but you call it a Harry Potter movie.

That's the only way you can really define it. Everybody knew exactly what she was talking about when she said it. You know, that new Harry Potter movie. The one without Harry Potter. He's a wizard this time.

The trailer actually scared me, so I was like, man. That little face effect was kind of creepy. Yeah, I'm a scared. Little girl now. I can't take horror movies anymore.

It's Sean's fault. He did it. It has to be. I don't. Know.

Have you guys seen anything else? I did finally see the Tucker and Dale versus evil. And I know we're on horror right now. I guess we're, we're always on horror. It was, it was, it was more heartwarming than I was anticipating.

I was like, I really like these people. I want to give them all a hug. I love the idea of the misunderstood rednecks and the hot, horny teenage kids who just end up impaling themselves and running over. It's just so stupid. They keep killing them.

When the first one that's running, it happens. I go, oh, that's where I'm going with this. What was that Bruce Campbell one that he did? My Name is Bruce or something like that. Where he's playing, he's Bruce Campbell as Bruce Campbell fighting... bruce campbell bruce campbell.

They bring him in and he thinks he's doing like a personal appearance or something like no we want you to stop this evil. In our area yeah yeah juan d that was that was the evil guy's name it's like fun idea. Bruce campbell does the three amigos like they bring him in for. An appearance and he just does it all it's kind of what it is yeah i mean that's what sold that movie it's bruce campbell you know it's like you can't not like bruce campbell The movie's got its issues, but Bruce was. Bruce is awesome in everything.

The entire movie was an issue. Yeah, kind of. Oh, and I did see. Yellow Brick Road. Was that the two-part series with Zooey Deschanel?

No. This is a horror movie, right? This was a horror movie. Yeah, this was about... It's like one of those real story...

A town back in the 19... maybe 1940, everyone in the town, somewhere in northern New Hampshire. You picture it being close to the Canadian border or something like that, or somewhere up. And the town just up and walks out, goes on a hike out of town, and they all end up dead, missing, whatever. And so a research group that's writing a book goes to... First mistake.

Right. It goes to follow the trail, and it has a good setup, and it has some good points, but it's like they didn't know how to end it. Yeah, if you can end a movie well, people will forgive almost anything. But it has a lot of tie-ins with film and old movie theaters, and so that's what drew me to it now it's you know it was something else that i saw. I actually uh my my girlfriend surprised me for valentine's day and took me to see journey to the island and uh yeah that's one of the best worst movies i've seen in a long time that one was that was a good time you kind.

Of know i mean When you're doing a sequel to a Brendan Fraser movie, you're in trouble already. Back in my young and wild days when I was a big fan of the WWF at the time of WWF. The Rock was my guy. I felt like I had to support him, but I'm kind of losing that over time because it just keeps getting worse and worse. We've said this a lot on that show.

We kind of like The Rock. They keep giving him such bad properties, but he's so likable. Even as an actor now, he's gotten to the point where He can deliver some pretty good performances. Where did you see that? Well, he has a sense of humor about him.

Be cool. Did you see that one? The movie's terrible. He is hilarious. He is the best part of that movie by far.

There's a few scenes in South Point Tales that he's okay. Oh, he's, again, hilarious. And others are like, is he acting? What the hell is that movie about? Does anybody really know?

We spent an entire episode on that one. We still can't really tell. I've seen it multiple times. They love to take the big action stars and then put tutus on them. Or put him.

To a woman. Yeah, let them have little kids. They have to watch these little kids. That's the height of comedy for them. That's interesting.

I really want. To see that movie, Michael. Do you remember? It was like a German movie with that guy that has someone in his house. Oh, yeah.

We were at this little independent theater in L.A., and they show this trailer. Was it called Michael? It's called Michael. Yeah, you guys should watch the trailer. It's German, so it's subtitles.

You've got to use a little bit of English. I was so afraid you were talking about the John Travolta movie. No, you don't. For the love of God, stay away from it. It's one of the best trailers I've ever seen.

Just really artistic. Wow. Really, at the end, just, oh, man, I've got to see that movie. And is it? Overall premise, or you're just kind of like, you're not even sure, just the visuals are suckering you in.

They didn't have to kill you. It's better not to know when you watch this trailer. That's true with most movies, but usually you don't make it to that point. No spoilers for the trailer. It's that good.

Everyone gasped in the theater. This is a pretty good selling point. I don't know, but what if it turns out to be just one of those super trailers and then the movies... That happens. They give everything away.

It happens. You know, we saw... Last week we saw the 3D trailer for the John Carter movie. Yeah. Which was a nice 3D trailer.

I can't decide what I think of this movie. I know. And it's Disney and it's... Well. Disney has a pretty good track record of actually putting out some good product.

I kind of have faith that they put the time and money into developing their story. So I'm hopeful that this will be something more. Well, I remember when we first read about it, I started talking about that they were going to do it. And it was like, well, it seems odd enough and different enough that it could be fantastic. And my daughter, she's eight. we saw the trailer that night on TV, you know.

The 2D. And she goes, oh, that looks good. I said, we saw that trailer this morning. She goes, yeah, that one looked dumb. So it's the exact same trailer, but she, you know.

Yeah, wow. She has no filter. I guess. Yeah, she thought this, you know, the one on TV looked great. So 3D ruins everything is what you're saying.

You're right. Right. But that is one that's interesting me. I'll see it. I'll definitely see that one.

It's, yeah, I definitely want to see it, but it could go either way at this point. Like, I'm looking at it, and I'm like, it could either be the most awesome, epic, you know, ridiculous, huge. Movie, or just train wreck. I want to see epic that's not just epic for epic's sake, and just, like, spectacle, but something with soul in it, you know? Right.

With some, you know, something behind it. It kind of gets overlooked at this point, especially on the big studio movies. Right, exactly. It's kind of left behind. Right.

Not since the Fast and the Furious. The golden age of cinema. The golden age of cinema. The golden age. Fast Five, if you're going to work the rock game.

Come on now. They've already signed on for Six and Seven or something. That's not surprising. Nothing beats Tokyo Drift, though. Oh, yeah, that was good.

They made so much money on the fifth one. It's ridiculous. Yeah, they did. I watched the last one with my grandma for some reason. That's interesting.

I think she was just confused by the whole thing. I am too. I took my nephew to see the one. I don't even know them. But we saw the one where they drive through this unbelievably long tunnel.

That's the fourth one. That's the U.S.-Mexican border. Like, where is this that this exists? There's a hole in the side of the mountain they could drive. Through, yeah.

It's in movie land. Right. You know, when. I first was introduced to. Vin Diesel when I saw Riddick or saw him as Riddick in Pitch Black.

Actually, I thought that movie was badass. I really loved that movie. I liked Pitch Black at the time. I became a fan of his and then As soon as my parents heard his name, then it immediately became Ben Dweeble. And, of course, I could never really go back to liking him.

You can't get that out of your head once. You hear it. I kind of like that, and then we. Start using it. Sean has a habit of ascribing nicknames to everybody and everything.

And they're generally not particularly positive. It's like Misty, doesn't it? Yeah. She has her own special names for most people. She's the unique member of the cast.

Yeah. I know one of the other ones I was going to see if you'd seen was just this past week, Watch Drive. I didn't see that. I saw that. I haven't seen that.

I actually read the script for that. Yeah. The script was out, and I read it, and I'm interested to see, because the opening sequence in the script, I was thinking that would be really, really cool. For the next Indiana Jones, they should get Ryan Gosling to play. Indiana Jones.

What's his name? Shia... Mutton Boy. Indiana Jones. I mean, he is...

To me, he is... Yeah, well, he could be, yeah. Well, it's kind of what they were pretending like they were doing that last time, is the literally passing the hat thing, and then they backed out of it. Because they realized how insanely stupid it was. Because they went, do we really want to give it to this goofy kid?

No, I don't think so. I actually thought Shia LaBeouf was one of the highlights of that movie. His movie was so bad that it made him the highlight. I think he was actually really... really putting his heart and soul into it. He tries.

It's just, he's another one they just cram in the weirdest movies that, yeah, it's hard. Well, then there was Transformers 3 that just would not... I stay away from it. I still haven't watched it. It's like 10 times over.

Don't do it. Yeah, you know, I loved Transformers as a kid. I was there from day one with the Transformers. I still have dreams that are recurring dreams from when I was a child of going into... stores and seeing new Transformers, you know, like the new... And that feeling.

So, Transformers... And it was the point that it truly ruined it for me when, in the second one, Devastator had balls. You know, metal balls on a. Because robots need that. That was....

There was something about that that didn't sit well with you. Right. I don't know what it is. We've all heard this story so many times. And it really ruined it.

And the other part of it is they went. Out the back door of the Smithsonian and they were in the Southwest. And I'm, what? You know, you're supposed to, okay, I'm in a movie and I'm going to let this go, but I can't let that go. That's a pretty big oversight.

It's not Virginia, Utah. Don't bring logic into Bay movies. Come on now. Michael Bay. Michael Bay.

Too many chefs in the kitchen on some of these movies. Yeah. And, you know, especially with Michael Bay, I know we're talking about, and I'm complaining far too much for our guests. I get to a point where I'm in the theater and there's so much going on and it's so quick that I can't even see it. It's almost like it becomes a blur.

It is. And it's his style is the sad part. That's how they refer to it now. It's his visual style. I like to watch those movies where it's paint drawings.

It's like, okay, I get to sit and just reflect on something and just... sit and be still and not be inundated with. Speaking of paint drying i watched an antonioni movie. Yeah which one did you watch i watched blow up oh yeah that's a good one yeah that's a fun movie i really watched it because i had watched uh the conversation not long ago yeah and i. Heard cop below uh somewhere saying that when he made it he was trying to make a movie like blow up and. Uh Brian De Palma did a version of that, right?

Yeah. Yeah, I actually haven't seen that one yet, but that is supposedly one of his best. Yeah. Is that Blowout? Blow Out, Blow Up?

Blow Out he did. I don't think it's the same one, but actually it is one of my favorite DePaulo movies. It has some relationship to it. It's got a little, yeah, but I don't think it's the same script exactly, but I'm sure it's sort of inspired by that kind of thing. But yeah, if you find it, it's definitely worth watching, especially for Travolta before he got to his crazy movies later.

It's pretty good for him early. On, too. There's something when filmmakers, especially comedians, have kids or something, and they start doing family movies, and that's perfectly okay, but then they lose their edge, you know? They lose their mojo. I mean, you see people fighting with that.

You look at what Rodriguez has done. Are you thinking of Sophie in Godfather 3? He was in a bind, man. She was helping him out. Actually, when his sister was in the first one, though, and he really didn't like that, it made him really tense to have his sister on the set.

He was tense enough, but. I was going to go back to Dive. So in the script that you read, was there just a lot of pages of main character doesn't really say anything? Is that how it plays out? You know, when you read a script, it's like.

You're really only following the story. Because you're not seeing the actors perform it, you don't see anything. You're just completely imagining it in your mind. So the only thing you're really getting is the tension of, do I want to keep reading the next page? So I think that it's an entirely different form of.

Did you like the script? I did, yeah. I mean, especially... Sometimes you'll read a script, and I read the script for that movie with Kate Winslet, The Reader, where she's... and it didn't like yeah it didn't do anything for me and then i saw the movie and i was like wow that's that's when you know you have a great director and a great act not that the script was bad but. It's like turned out to be a pretty.

Good visualized and all of a sudden it makes sense to you like you didn't you didn't see. It that way so how was drive finished product versus what you read yeah absolutely was it close to it or no Oh. I haven't seen Drive yet. You haven't seen Drive? Okay.

I saw Drive. It was a good movie. It was a very well done film. Very engaging. I mean, I think I'd heard too much about it, but it is funny watching it because it really, like, you can tell just how hard he's trying to make this throwback 80s movie.

I mean, it really... Which, again, I don't know that that would come through in the script version. But, yeah, the music. Stylistically, they had some really unusual things. Like the streets and the neon.

And it's very like, you know. Like the peep riding. It's Michael Mann, Miami Vice era. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's very interesting.

I didn't get that from the script at all. It's funny because it very much feels like that when you're in it. It feels slightly out of time. It felt more like kind of a. I guess a 70s character piece on the script.

It's kind of a mixture. When you look at the characters, it doesn't fit that style. But then you look at the aesthetics and the music and everything, and it definitely has that heavily influenced on it. So it ends up being pretty interesting. But yeah, I know Gosling's kind of gotten a lot of flack for it not having a lot of speaking moments in that movie which i didn't it wasn't overwhelming i didn't i expected like people acted like he didn't say anything the entire movie where i mean he's just he's not a wordy character but you know i i don't think it really detracted from.

The movie i really wanted to see that movie uh just i don't want to give anything away but the There's a scene at the very, very end, and it's just like one long shot. And the way they described it in the script, I was like, if that works, that's really going to hit people. But I don't know if it did or not. I'm trying to decide what that was. Yeah, maybe they actually changed it.

I really enjoyed the casting in that movie. Everybody looked exactly like they ought to look. You could almost just cut to their faces and they just wore what they needed to be. The most impressive one is Albert Brooks. I mean, he's so out of his element and yet kind of owns it.

He's like a cross between Robin Williams and John McEnroe. He's, yeah. He's got those moments. It's like he still has that sense of humor. You can still see it's him, but he's still got a little bit of scary in him, you know?

Yeah, he covers through. He could go off, and times needs to. I actually read about his casting process for that, and he said that he walked in and they said, well, why. do you, why would you play this part? You've nothing, no one sees you as this character. And he said, that's exactly it.

Do you want to always cast the same Joe Schmo that they'd expect? Yeah. You should take a chance on me. And just by saying that, he, I think the addition. I think that's why it worked.

Cause yeah, he's cause you look, um, who's the other bad guy, the, uh, Ron Perlman. Yeah. Who again is, is good. But I mean, that's, that's Ron Perlman. Like he gets cast in that tough guy role and damn near everything's in.

It's, It's unusual to see him in anything other than that. And he can do other stuff, but they always throw him in that, you know, just big, burly, dumb guy, you know. Unfortunately, Ron Perlman's look doesn't lend itself. No, it doesn't. Like, he's never going to be the romantic lead, really.

Beating the Beast is the only time. It's the closest he's going to get to that, exactly. He's always interested in a cast against type, you know. He looked a little too much like the Rubber Mask. you almost see something coming with. That yeah it's like that story you know they originally cast robert redford in the graduate.

Yeah yeah and he turned it down because he wasn't right for it yeah yeah. Tom selleck is indiana jones i can't i can't see it i'm sorry oh originally who was it nick nolte was gonna be han sella oh. Can you picture that? Oh, God. You would have been a very gruff honzo.

Very gruff honzo. He would have been. You could see him, like, not really committing to. Yeah. He's not that charming.

You can imagine, like. The imitation of him, it's just in every movie. He always, no matter what it is, he's always hungover. He's just got up and he comes to some point in the movie where he just goes, ah, geez. Can't you see him like...

With. His hair like spewing out. Can't you see him slumped over in the bar in the cantina and just... Look, I don't have your money. I'm not going to give you your money.

Ah, jeez. Ah, jeez. And then he shoots him first. There's never been less gloss and more rough to Han Solo. I mean, a space pirate that lives with a Wookiee is pretty rough.

That's true. When, you know, that's what they wrote in, scruffy looking. And I was just like, no, really. That was for Nick Nolte. That was for Nick Nolte.

I still wonder what the world would be like if Lynch had directed Return of the Jedi. I think that could have... change the course. When it would would lynch it would have been a lynchian movie or would it you know well. It probably would have turned out like dude like dude where nobody wants anything to do with it by the end of. It because it's a good movie though but even he doesn't like it i want to see like the lynchian version of return of the jedi where the ewoks are like terrifying you know could you even have.

Ewoks in a lynch movie oh yeah kind of now that i think about it they're kind. Of creepy yeah i'll A planet of babies from Eraserhead. Yes, you know that. I really liked it. I could see that.

I think of all the movies that I can run through my brain quickly. If David Lynch could direct Gone with the Wind, I would just love to see it. Wow, that's interesting. That'd be wild. You ever get enough money, just go to him and say, I'm going to pay for you.

Go. Just do it. It's time for a reboot. I'm going to do it my own special way. He could probably tear up Wizard of Oz, too.

That would lend itself to him, actually. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Alice in Wonderland, any of those twisted down movies. Crazy fairy tale.

I do fear, though, that, like, Tim Burton will wake up one day and say that he wants to do Wizard of Oz. Well, I mean, they're doing more movies. There's two of them in the works right now. Maybe he won't. Yeah.

Maybe he won't wake. Up that day. If he does it with Johnny, I was just. Like the thing with wizard of oz there's so much more i mean you can do it completely i love the wizard of oz the original one like it's one of my favorite movies but you especially with the source material you can do it in a really interesting intriguing way. Yeah that's what i've thought for years i was like just don't remake the first one.

There's 40 books in that series. There's all these other characters, all these other worlds. I like that Return to Oz. Yeah, that's a weird, creepy movie. That's a very creepy movie.

I want to see the Coen brothers do it. That's good. It depends. They've got different modes. It's like they do stuff relatively straight sometimes.

They could just take that tornado coming from the end of A Serious Man and start it there. Wow. It'd be a lot more humor and a lot more pathos. The Coen Brothers Wizard of Oz. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, man. Tommy Lee Jones would be the wizard. This is frightening. So you guys, do you have any questions about the actual movie?

Yeah, I was going to say, as far as you brought up Lance, what's it like directing him? I just was in the dentist the other day, and there was an advertisement for a new type of braces, and it said, easy, painless, beautiful. So I think, uh, that's, that's, that's how I would describe it. No, he's great. I mean, he, he really is a true artist.

You know, he's a, he's not just an actor, he's a potter, he's a painter, you know, and, um. He talked about pottery quite a bit when I talked to him. Yeah. He brought, he brought a lot to the role. He brought a lot of humanity and he's a real, he's really collaborative.

He's really creative. I mean, he wrote, you know, we improvised a lot of the movie and, and he wrote a monologue for the film and, Yeah, it was just great, you know, because it could have been bad, you know, having a first-time director working with a really experienced actor like that, because if you come to the set with that kind of ego, you know, it infects everybody. It infects the entire mood of the set. It becomes nasty, but he brought cheerfulness and just, you know, he really wanted to go in and make this movie and make it about something real. So, yeah, it was just fantastic working with him.

So. I kind of put myself in your shoes there for a split second. If he signed the paperwork and said, I'm going to do this with you, I think the next day, at first I'd probably be elated, and then the next day I would probably wake up and panic. Now what am I going to do? Were there waves of that?

How did that make you feel the first time? I actually was extremely nervous up until I said action for the first time, and then it just kind of went away. Although I forgot to tell Lance his cue on the first take I've ever shot. He's at the base of this tree, and he's supposed to wake up, and I forgot to tell him. So he just kind of was sleeping there for.

About two minutes. So I just kicked him in the head. This ought to do it. No, but I mean, making a film is like a runaway train. You just got to hang on for dear life.

Yeah, it's... It was really exhilarating. I'll always remember that experience. You'll always remember your first time. With Lance.

One of our alternate titles, Spitting with Dad. Spitting with Dad, yeah. That's a question, Sean. What's it like having Lance as your dad? That was badass.

Yeah, no, it was great. Lance made it so much easier, I think, for both of us to do what we had to do, especially as first-timers, because he's so easy to work with. He shows up, he does his job, and he doesn't complain. And so while we're trying to deal with all the nightmares of making a movie that just go along with the turf, Lance was such a good sport. So on that level, it made it. it was a tremendous experience.

And then in terms of acting, you know, it's your partner makes you perfect and, you know, vice versa as an actor, it's your job to make your partner perfect. Well, I mean, Lance is already perfect. So I didn't really have to do anything there. It was really, it was really all initial. And he's just trying to make me perfect.

Bring me up to speed. Well, as far as, um, you, you both kind of worked on the story. Where did the idea come. From for this project? Um, it, you know, it evolved as, as we evolved, we've always been chasing what this movie has been about.

And we've, we've had, we had drafts from, you know, five years ago and we've written, we wrote probably 12 drafts. We were editing for ever, you know, they say there's the movie, you write the movie, shoot the movie, you edit. Um, we had the movie, you wrote 10 times, the movie, you shoot like one and a half times, movie edit at least 15 times. Yeah. Uh, so I don't know.

I just, uh, we knew we wanted to make a movie that was, there's certain conditions on it. And I always like creative projects where they say, okay, you have a cat, you know, a bus station, you know, and you know, whatever, and you have to try to make a story out of it. And so we knew we wanted to make a two person character piece that was, you know, set in the woods. And those were kind of our limitations that we set in ourselves because we knew it was going to be a low budget film. And then, you know, we, It came out of some dark place because it ended up being pretty dark, but ultimately it's kind of uplifting as well.

It really isn't just like a slasher movie where it's about teenage girls being sliced up. It's human horror. It's the horror of the way we deal with relationships and how we treat people. Rose, how did you get involved in it? Well, actually, I went to school with Scooter, so I think he had me sort of in mind.

The character that I play is actually Sean's stepsister, her name's Iris. Adopted sister. Adopted sister, correct. And so they kind of gave her an essence, which is really like this radiant sun, sunflower essence, which they lose. And that's kind of like the horror aspect of losing the light in your life.

And so I think he had me in mind with that. He'd always seen me that way. So he had me come to Texas and. Audition for it. Yeah, it was an interesting challenge for her in that part because in a way she was playing an idealization of a person, not really a person.

Because... In the movie, he is having flashbacks and remembering this girl, and so he kind of goes from a sort of idealization of her into the reality. She was more playing an essence or an archetypal character. She did great, though, and has a lot of screen presence. Anything else you guys had for the Movie itself?

I'm curious a little bit about what it's like filming in the woods, because I've noticed about myself, I have a tendency to favor movies that have woods in them. There's just something about. We love just forest and woods imagery. It's very, just something that's in our blood. We originally actually tried to shoot this movie on a set, because we kind of wanted to try to do the spooky hollow type really uh stylized almost theatrical but we felt like we weren't going to be able to get what we wanted so we thought okay well let's just throw it into the real woods and that ultimately was probably a great choice because it lends itself to a certain reality even though these characters are dealing with these sort of supernatural events they're thrown into a real environment and you can't fake you know reality you know we were out there and it was it was in the middle of a huge drought in texas.

I mean, there were scorpions and rattlesnakes and water moccasins. I mean, it was down and dirty shooting. It was really, really rough and tumble. And then they were like, Sean, go lay down and all that. Oh, yeah.

And Sierra just had me do that for fun. It wasn't even using it for the movie. That's not even in the script. Hey, Sean. I was like this dancing puppet creature.

Sounds like a character in your film. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it absolutely is a character. For sure. For sure.

I guess we can let you guys escape here in a minute. Where should people go? Should they go to the website, or what's the best place to find out information? Yeah, we've got our website. It's inthebloodthemovie.com.

That's going to have all of our information on it. You can also follow us on Twitter at InTheBloodMovie. We'll be posting interviews and links to all the different film festival announcements and all that. So yeah, check out our website, Twitter. We're on Facebook. tinyurl.com slash ITTV Facebook.

Definitely check out the trailer. Yeah, check out the trailer. The trailer looks good. Yeah, it's in the blood. Did you guys put that together or hand it over to someone?

He did it all. This man was also one of the editors. See, that's the way they should do it. Once you get to the big projects and they just give it to the studio and go, here, make a trailer. Sometimes that's when you get those messed up trailers.

Yeah, well, there's a certain formula to those trailers, and I think there's a lot. It's a little art piece. You have a little short film, so you've got to try to do something creative and new. People respond to that. Yeah.

All right, so I guess, yeah, go to the website or go find you online, and you're making the rounds at this point, so look for it at film festivals or wherever Lance shows up, maybe check and see. Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, thank you guys for coming in and talking to us. Thanks a lot for having us. It was a lot of fun.

Definitely. Thank you. The rascal driver and. Would in mid-sentence drop out because of her prescriptions she would just drop out and people it became so bad that people would make the cricket noise you know because she would just disappear from the world well she loved steven seagal she would talk about steven seagal all the time they were the oh is it kind of like your sin bad guy Sinbad. Oh, that guy.

And just would go on and on. Oh, Tiffany. Oh, Tiffany. I think you said Tiffany so that he wouldn't be identified. Yeah, like, there'll be a guy out there who doesn't know anything, but he loves Sinbad.

But that can't be me, because I'm not named Tiffany. I mean, it's crazy. She said, I've seen every Steven Seagal movie ever made, and I said... have you seen against the dark? And she said, no. And she looked it up and she gets up from her desk.

Her daughter is in a hole, um, 50 yards away. And she gets up, gets in her little rascal and speeds over there, baby, baby, we got to get this movie. And I, it just, it just tickled me. I wanted, and the next day I had to go ask her how she loved it. She thought it was the best movie ever.

All right. I think we're done. I think we're going to get the hell out of here. So that having been said, okay, kids, get out your Dakota pins. Set your pins to B2.

Here is the message. That wasn't highly caffeinated. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm going to bring a harmonica next time. Are you going to have the cool neck brace piece that you could be all Dylan-like?

I'm going to bring that. The thing is, I know that because I've seen you wearing it before. I'm going to bring the blues traveler vest that he sticks them all in the pockets. Your bandolier. You're just going to pretend like you're Chewie, don't lie.

Alright. With that, it is time for the Movie Meltdown Secret Circle reveal of the next exciting show. It's not just a feature. It's several episodes of ridiculousness and And it's a year coming around. It is time for the fourth annual Oscar Meltdown.

I'm trying to make a melting sound. I can feel my arteries clogging already. It's, yeah. We're going to do it a little different this time. On purpose, you know, I've kind of done it, you know, the last few years it's been in my house and we're making food in the kitchen, which is fun, but I've done that three times now.

So it's like, just to mix it up, you know, we're going to head on back to Nancy's and, you know, take over the kitchen this time and start making food. And yeah, so it'll mix things up a little bit. We've got the invite out. We'll see who we can sucker in to come into this thing. So we've got a few people signed on.

We have a good crowd. We're going to have lots of food. Whether or not we watch the Oscars is still up in the air. That will be seen next week. Maybe we'll stream it on somebody's phone.

We'll see how that goes. This should all be very interesting. And if nothing else, we're going to... Now, I've been thinking, you know, in years past, you know, after the first Oscar Meltdown, then you get Oscar Meltdown 2, Electric Boogaloo, Oscar Meltdown in 3D. So the fourth in most series, specifically in horror, usually likes to go to space.

So I'm thinking we also need to follow suit, and being our pork-related fun, it needs to be, you know, Oscar Meltdown, Pigs in Space! Pigs in Space! That was very nicely done. See, he's a professional. That damn straight.

So with that, we also felt we need to watch a space-themed movie. And this one has been on the back burner for quite a while. I bought a horrible DVD copy for that very reason. Probably within the first year of the show I've had this thing because it fit our video boxes to warp my brain. It looked really cheesy.

It's got Klaus Kinski in it, so it's got all the makings of an epic episode. So we're going to watch Creature, Klaus Kinski in Space. It's, yeah, no good will come of this. So I'm sure it's probably won a couple Oscars that year. So, I mean, it fits in perfectly.

It's based on a short story, I understand, called Klaus Kinski in Space. That was the working title. Right. I think, yeah, I think it was. All right.

Anything else we need to pass along this week? No, I don't think so. Go vote for us in the rondos. Yes. Other than that, thank you once again to our guests this week, and go check out their movie.

Again, it's inthebloodthemovie.com, so go check it out and see where it will be heading, probably somewhere near. You in the future. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.

Thanks for listening. Got to keep moving on the red hot floor. Eyes wide open and my nerves are raw. Feeling more moving. Or is it moving me?

Look out honey, cause they're using technology. Forget the blood, cervical ain't clean. But it's a full moon. And you're a mammal, not a machine. Got to keep moving on.

The red hot floor. Eyes wide open and my nerves are raw. I think it's called Animal Crossing. It's the Amish video game. Are you kidding me?

No. Oh, God. No, it's something where you go out and you chop wood and. Then you go to bed and you build furniture. It's kind of Amish.

It seems like you just have a little house and you grow vegetables. And you chop wood. I think maybe you get to fish. It's kind of like the Amish version of Second Life or whatever that game's called. Yeah, the most boring Second Life.

Something like that. But I remember one day he was about seven or eight and he came downstairs and he realized that this girl was trying to get him to ask her out. On the video game and. He missed it. He didn't get it till later after she left.

She's like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm just chopping this wood. See you later. And then she walks off and he's like, Oh no. And he comes down and he's crushed.

He's like, no, I'm never going to get married. Didn't adequately prepare your son for that yeah i know that was your false father right there stuff sneaks up on you it's sad it's a sad story. He was really upset. And, you know, he was just upset because he's trying to beat the game, but it sounded so sad. I missed my chance.

Now I'm never going to get married. And they say Grand Theft Auto will mess you up. Yeah, it's the Amish games that really get to you. This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and edited by The Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by The Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support the show, email producer at moviemeltdown.com.

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