178: Blade Running from the Creature from the Black Lagoon

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To your sentinels, we have a movie meltdown. Never leave any survivors. No survivors? Then where do the stories come from, I wonder? What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown.

I am Brian. I am Misty. Ah, I forgot my name. What's my name? Boyfriend.

Boyfriend. I'm Jay. Hey. Oh, Lord, with that, yeah, we might have to reintroduce you guys. I was talking to somebody earlier.

Again, we are coming to you live via digital recording from Wonderfest, and we're at our table here, and I was talking to somebody, and he was. Like, hey, is anybody else from the show here? And I was like, well... how far back do you go on your movie meltdown listening? Because, yeah, and I said you guys, and he wasn't familiar with me. So, again, I think we've picked up a good amount of people in the last, like, six months or so.

Probably because they haven't had to listen to us before. We may not be familiar with you, so we might have to reintroduce you to the new people. We might scare off your new listeners. No, probably. Well, maybe.

But, anyway, yeah, this is Misty and Jay, who have... Pretty much been here since the beginning. Misty was there the first episode. Jay, you were just busy the first couple, but you've been here since episode five. I got roped in.

You're original members. Ooh, I'm an original member. I feel cool. You should. I am.

We're old school. I feel old. That's true. So our geek activities this week, I figured I would give you guys to tell people what you've been up to the last five or six months. It's only been about a month and a half.

For you. Huh? For you. Maybe it has been a while. It's been a long time.

The last show I've been on was. It's been Christmas for both of. You, I believe. Oh, yeah, that has been several months ago. Wait, when was the Christmas show?

December? December? No, no. What was the Christmas show? Black Christmas.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. I've been working a lot. I believe that was the last time you guys were around. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. My bad. If you'd like. To fill them in, I believe there's been a few developments in your life since then. Not really movie related, but they're interesting enough.

I thought we could pass them along. Well, if you're friends with us on Facebook, you'll have already been aware of the situation. But if you're not. My friend's a serial killer. Yay!

Yeah. Or neighbor. He bought our grass. Two houses down from us turned out to be a serial killer. No joke.

That's all they talk about on our local news. Every night is this guy who lives across the street from them. And, yeah, he's not a nice guy. Actually, he was a really nice guy. That's what makes it so weird.

Yeah, yeah, he was uber nice. Like, and not even in a super creepy way, like you thought something was up. It was just, you know, I don't know. I'm still having a hard time, you know, grasping the whole thing. I mean, this guy hung out in the garage with me and mowed our yard just about every week.

And, you know, it's one of those things. We just saw him. He was putting around on his little motorized bike around the neighborhood and, you know, never would have thought he was in the backyard. burying somebody about the time i was going to work you. Know no joke they dug one out of the backyard yeah at least one at least one so. They're still searching for more bodies apparently he's confessed to quite a few they've only found three so far yeah good times.

Still yeah well i think we decided counts as serial killers Especially for as many. As he claims that he's dumped in the river. Yeah, three's the official number. If it's more than three over like a month's time, then it officially falls under the status of serial killer. Yeah, I think they were holding off just to kind of keep the FBI at bay.

The FBI had been brought in, but. They brought in a behavioral analysis. Yeah, and they were just, we're just here advising on the situation, which. If you mean by advising taking over the entire situation, which is pretty much what it looked like to me when I was looking out the window. That's usually what they do.

Yeah. I saw FBI and a couple deputies, all the... All the detectives that we saw that were originally working the case when it first broke, they were all gone. We keep hoping they find more, and I know that sounds. Bad, but.

Well, you've got to think of it in a version of closure. I mean, there's a lot of missing people. That's true. And a lot of them claim as admitted to doing. Yeah.

Either he's been really good at hiding the bodies or the New Albany police just really sucks. Well, no, he's been really, really good at covering his tracks. And it's one of those things like if his sister hadn't come home, or not come home, if she hadn't came over to the house, I think she was coming over to get some things. She was coming over to get the VIN number off the car. Oh, yeah, she was coming over to get the VIN number off the car and stumbled into the garage where he had just recently butchered one of her cars.

One of their lifelong. Their mother's best friend. Yeah, their mother's best friend. So about that time she was coming out of the house, I came over there trying to figure out why he hadn't mowed my yard in three weeks. Killing people takes work.

Yeah, apparently it does. He's a busy, busy man. Well, he needs to make some time to mow my yard, you know. I'm kind of pissed because he should have waited until after he cut our trees and bushes down. Yeah, he's still got trees and yard work to do.

I mean, he's not got time for death row. Which they are seeking the death penalty. You should see if you can get some sort of work release program now. That's what I'm going to see. I'm going to see.

Wait a minute. Before you guys put him to death, can you get him to come out and cut my tree down? Because we have a little bit of an agreement here. Our agreement supersedes any serial killer agenda he might have. That's true.

I think it should, anyway. But yeah, his sister came home, found the body while he was out at Walmart buying supplies. So apparently Walmart is where you buy all your. Where you get your trash bags and duct tape. Yeah, exactly.

Take care of this thing. I know. I know how it is. Yeah, it gets more... There's more gruesomeness to it, but I don't know if we should discuss it or not.

Eh, I don't know. Because, yeah, apparently he mutilated the old lady, which sucks, because that's just creepy. Yeah, well, I mean, aside from doing dirty things to the old lady and everybody else that he had killed this. Is a super morbid-ish episode. Of living on the island but it ties in I mean he's got a very Norman Bates-y quality to him.

He does he was a serial killer rapist needle-ist I. Don't know if Norman went down that road he just killed people but you did say how did he refer to his mother. Mommy how old was this man about 55 I think. Calling his mommy yeah that's some other issues right there yeah. And they just recently released that on the very first victim that he killed back in 2002, he got a tattoo to commemorate the event.

So that's pretty exciting. Actually, I remember that tattoo, too. And I was like, I saw the date on it, and I was thinking, you know, Clyde's got a lot of cool jailhouse tattoos, which is what I was thinking because he's been in jail like several times. He's got some really shitty jailhouse tattoos. He's got like.

Well, he's got some shitty ones. He's got a Bugs Bunny on a motorcycle. A Tasmanian devil. Oh, God. If he had a Tweety bird, he totally should have saw us coming.

Yeah. These are the only places you should get these guys. He's got fuck off and eat shit on his palms and his hands. I know, it's fuck off and die. Oh, was it?

Yeah. I thought it was eat shit. No, it wasn't. I don't remember. Either way.

Either way, don't get that on your hands. Yeah. But anyways, we noticed a date on his arm. Yeah. And apparently that's the date that he killed his first victim.

Yeah. Which I thought maybe he had just shanked somebody in the shower. It's a tattoo of a knife, too. Yeah. It's a knife going through the date.

Yeah. Touching. Which is apparently he stabbed the first girl in the neck. Right down the street, actually. Yeah, all the way down the street.

Yeah. He dumped her body in the river. Yeah. Down by the river, because that's where you dump all their bodies. That's true.

He's admitted to dumping a whole bunch of bodies. They just haven't found them. Well, yeah. They might never find them. That's the thing.

You know. I mean, come on. That was years ago. I know. It's like, I know there might be people he's confessed to killing.

I'll be disappointed if I found out he lied to me. Yeah. Not to me personally, but if he lied in general. Yeah. I mean.

But the thing that got me was they're searching the area right where he supposedly dumped them, but that was several years ago. Yeah. On, man. It's the river. It's got a pretty strong current.

I don't know if he seems professional enough to weigh him down properly. I don't know. I don't know. They did say that they found some suspicious rocks down by the river. Oh, goodness.

Suspicious rocks. They were looking at us crooked. Yeah. But, yeah. So, they've been looking all over.

They've been looking at the river. They've been checking Bloomington. All on different tips. So, I'm like, I guess either he's really been good or they just suck because they haven't found anything. Well, he's been pretty good about covering his tracks.

We found out he worked for the. tree trimmers for AT & T. Tree trimmers for AT & T which pretty much took him all over the state of Indiana so they said a good excuse to. Kill a lot of people in different. Areas their search area was a 300 mile radius they. Found evidence up to 800 miles away oh is it.

800 miles okay 800 mile radius I'm sorry so he got around a lot but I have one of his tree spikes too and his welder and his welder you're not getting back because you're on death. Row so I would like our lawnmower back, though. We're never going to get that. We already bought a new lawnmower. You kill three people, that's the price you pay.

But our lawnmower, the Clydehead, was self-propelled. I know. The new one's not. No, it's me propelled. I hate the self-propelled.

Oh, I love them. They go too slow. No, this one goes fast. This one flies. Every time I've used them, I'm just like, I ain't got time for this slow-ass motor built in you.

No, this one was a. It would drag you. Yeah, this one will drag you. It was pretty powerful. It was an old.

Briggs & Stratton. Might make it a little better. But our neighbor Larry's like, you know, old man Larry, he's old. Oh, he had more gruesome details. Yeah, he's like, you don't want that lawnmower back.

It's probably got guts and body parts splattered out. He probably used it to kill her, you know. Just finished watching Dead Alive, and he was just jamming bodies. Old man Larry's made it even more gruesome than it really is, and that's bad. Yeah.

That's pretty much been... a good majority of what we've been doing. Yeah, staring out the window, watching. Yeah, we haven't watched movies. We haven't been watching the cops. We've been watching a live movie.

That's true. It's unfolding right out our living room window. It's a thriller going on right outside your window. We keep waiting to see how long it's on one of those, until it's on like Forensic Files. But it's like the opposite of those shows because it's like they catch this guy and then they find out he's a serial killer and they're trying to find the bodies.

Usually it's they find all these bodies and they're trying to piece it back together. I mean, they caught him and then he confessed. And then it was like, ooh, you know. It's still pretty backwards, yeah. But shit, you know, if his sister hadn't showed up, who knows how long this would have been going on.

No. A long, long time. And I would have showed up at his house when he was getting home. He did show up when he was digging the hole. Yeah, I showed up when he was digging the hole, too.

Backyard. Oh, well, to counterbalance that grim story, you've had one other development that's like the. Most adorable thing I've ever seen and heard. Oh, that's Misty's deal right there. And it's your squirrel.

Well, it was your squirrel. It was not mine. You stole them from me. You had work and stuff. I commandeered the squirrel.

They have their own squirrel people. He's not really ours. He's our friend. We don't own him. He's not our pet.

We're friends with serial killers and squirrels. We love everybody. That's how you live. Well, that's why about two months ago, I was getting ready to leave the house, and you look at the door and you're like, What the hell is that? Is that a bird?

No. I didn't say it was a bird. You did say it was a bird. I didn't say it was a bird. She just likes doing funny voices.

I know. That's almost my Walmart voice right there. Yeah, I know. You better hope you're not turning into that. No, I know I'm not.

Well, anyways, it was a tiny little squirrel. We figured he was probably, what, about five weeks old, assuming. Yeah. So we kind of, wait, wait. Jay took care of him, and we fed him, and helped him grow up to be the grown-up squirrel that he is today.

The crackhead that he is today. He is a crackhead. He is ferocious. He's the cutest damn thing I've ever seen in my entire life. He still comes and sees me most mornings.

Yeah. He lives outside. We don't keep him in a cage or anything like that. Yeah, he's not in a cage. He's outside.

He's a free-roaming squirrel. But at least he comes back to the house. That's what amazes me is that, you know, I figured once you, like, released him into the wilds, he'd be. Like, all right, see you later. And he'd look back and wave when he got to the fence and then he'd be gone.

He comes back because we keep a bowl full of sunflower seeds and walnuts. I think he lives in the tree in the corner of the fence. But not only that he comes back, but he comes back and still scampers up Misty's arm and, like, plays with her but doesn't attack her and draw blood and, like. I don't know. Watching him, you would think he's being hella ferocious and I'm going to be fucked up for life.

But no, he's just playing. He's a crazy crack? He is ridiculous. We gave him a name, but then we decided we didn't like it, so we don't really call him by his name anymore. We call him Squirrel.

Or Little Butt. I call him Little Butt. Jay doesn't call him Little Butt. No. Or Crazy Butt.

I call him Crazy Butt, too. He's especially crazy. This is sort of like your fill-in version. You're a substitute for a child, Misty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude, I would rather have a squirrel than. Have a kid. I mean, you can't say that with you, Jay, because you actually have one. Yeah, I actually have a kid. But for Misty, as she was pulling out her phone and showing everyone photos of her squirrel today.

I was feeling completely airing them strangers pictures of my squirrel. And she was like, oh, look, isn't he cute? And I was like, this is Misty's kid. I mean, this is probably the closest we're going to get. I was so sad because when I first put him out, I put him out on a Monday.

And then I didn't see him again until that Friday. Well, we were putting him out. During the day, and then when we'd come back home at night. He'd be in the cage. He would come back in, he would get in the cage, and we would bring him back in the house, and he would sleep inside, and then we would take him out the next day and let him loose.

And we got home late that night, and a storm had came through. And she. Got kind of worried. He's afraid of storms. Yeah, we didn't see him.

So we didn't see him for what, like almost a week? Almost a week. And she thought. We let him out on Monday and he came back on Friday. Yeah, she thought maybe he had gotten...

Squished or eaten. Or something. He got runned over. I was sad. I was crying.

I ain't gonna lie. Yeah. Whatever. I cried over a squirrel. Shut up.

Screw you guys. But then he came back and. I was happy and I almost called him to work. Yeah, you almost called him to work. If he had said like five minutes more, I totally would have called him to work.

Sorry I can't come into work today. I'm having a squirrel day. Yeah. Exactly. I've called in for less, dude.

Come on. I'm picturing a montage right now, though, of the music kicks in and you're scampering through a field and feeding each other food. It's funny because he likes to chase me through the grass. But yes, we have a squirrel and I love him and he's adorable. And I would rather have a squirrel than a kid because they're a lot less trouble.

They don't argue with you. They don't talk back. And you only have to raise them for like a couple weeks and you can just sit their asses on the curb and they're good to go. You can't do that with a baby. You've got to take care of them for like years and shit.

And you can't just put them in a cage. No. They frown upon that. You can, but eventually, you know. Will they fit in the bird cage?

No. Protective services shows up. No. They start being a little douchebag and they put them in a cage and put them on the porch. That's what I did with the squirrel.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Not like him. I'd say as a tie-in, once again, we haven't had much special stuff, but if you're up for it, if you're up for showcasing your baby to everybody, for the Secret Circle fans, we can post a picture of him. Oh, my God.

We can send them a picture of your adorable child. But then again, if you're my friend on Facebook, you've already seen him, so they're not that special. I don't know. I'm not friends with that many people. That's what I'm saying.

Randy's seen him. Randy knows everything we've already talked about, so Randy's probably bored. So that's pretty much the secret circle. No. You mean there's more people?

There's plenty more people. When did that happen? I've been gone for a long time. All right. Enough about the serial killer and the squirrel.

All right. Hey. Did we actually watch anything? Yeah, we've been watching Sherlock, the BBC series. Boyfriend has got me watching British television.

Hell yeah. Squirrel one for me. Hell's at least half frozen over by now. Yeah. But it's different.

It's not British comedy. I won't watch British comedy. What if it was a British documentary? On comedy. Yes, people watching Sherlock, and it's actually, I was afraid I wasn't going to like it because I really did not like the Robert Downey Jr.

Sherlock Holmes or whatever. It's not the same thing, though. It's not at all the same thing, but I really like it. I don't know, you like it because you got me watching it. Yeah, I like it a lot.

That's all you got? That's all I got. It's good. Watch it. Or don't.

I watched the first one. I thought it was pretty good. And I liked those two guys. They did a decent job modernizing it. Yes, they did a really good job modernizing it.

It was not too annoying. I like Watson's a war veteran. Their chemistry is good. Yeah, it's really good. And it's not over the top.

And it's even more rare that I like it because there's no hot guys in this show whatsoever. You don't like the Cumberbatch or whatever. Benedict Cumberbatch. From what I've heard, he's supposed to be in the new Star Trek movie. And I've heard he's supposed to be playing Khan. which I'm not sure if that's accurate or not or if it's just a rumor, but that's just, I'm not sure how I feel about him as Khan.

Yeah. Maybe because Khan to me will always be Ricardo Montalvo. I don't know if anybody can be Khan other than Ricardo Montalvo. They'll try, but. And his fantastic chest.

Yeah, maybe Cumberbatch will strap on a plastic chiseled chest like that. That would be rowdy. That would be awesome beyond words. But then we also have been watching other British programing. The Fades, which is also not a British comedy.

It's not very comedy-like at all. It is hilarious in some spots because it's very well-written. Yes. It kind of reminds me of the way The Misfits show was. Yeah, it reminds me a lot of that.

But.... I suckered Boyfriend into watching it. He's been kind of reluctant, but I kind of. No, no, I like it. It's just, you know how I am with stuff getting... start off slowly.

Most of the time I'm at work, so I'm really like, I'm going to sit down and try to watch a TV show. Most of the time I'll fall asleep. Me too. What? Me too.

Yeah. During the week, I have to like save up and like in the weekend, I'll actually get some sleep and I'll sit down and watch something. Yeah, it's like sleep or watch something. Yeah. I've heard several good things about The Fade, so I finally started watching it.

I was impressed. I love it. It's good. It's, I don't know, how would you describe it? Almost a blend of like ghosts and zombies yeah it's it's a really interesting.

Take the main concept is it's it's in a world where when you die you become like a spirit either you ascend or you get stuck and when you get stuck i guess. Eventually you start to get pissed you get. Madder and madder until you become a fade or i guess once you die you're a fade but you become more and more angry and they're getting to the point where the fades can actually touch and interact with people and there's a certain group of people that It's their, not really job, because what they do is they hunt down these spades and they get rid of them. And they kill them, or they. Yeah.

But I think at a certain point, they figure out that they can start to eat flesh. So they're actually starting to attack people. And the more flesh that they're consuming, the more... They can interact. The more human attributes they're picking up, the more they can interact.

They can talk. They can physically touch things. Yeah. It's an interesting concept, but it kind of centers around this high school boy that's kind of a loser, kind of a geek. Well, his friend's a huge movie geek.

Constantly referencing movies, not the characters, or the character on the movie, because you can't reference... You. Can't quote a movie. You're quoting the character. Oh, God.

I totally got it wrong, but whatever. It's funny as hell. It's good. It's a good show. I would totally recommend The Fates and Misfits if you haven't watched that yet.

It's an awesome show. And we talked about it before a long time ago, but if you're as new and you haven't heard it before, then you should definitely watch Misfits. And if you're not familiar with them, you don't realize this is a massive growing moment for MISTI, moving in and accepting British programming. But again, my main hatred is British comedy. I know.

I've always liked British because I loved S Club 7. That's true. S Club 7 does kick ass. But you were against it for so long that this is, yeah, this is. Progress, people.

I'm still against British comedy. I hate British comedy and I still hate documentaries. I'm very pit and miss. There's a lot of British comedy I am not on board with, but every once in a while, you know, you get the right mix. You just got to find what you're into, especially with comedy in general, but specifically British comedy.

It's got its own Special feel to it. Even British documentaries are almost comedies to me. You're trying to kill me now. And I have to listen to the fades loud because their accents are so thick that if I have to hear it loud to understand what he's saying. I don't have the problem.

You can't hear shit anyway. We watched a movie. Okay. We watched the 12 Musketeers. The 12 Musketeers.

The 13 Musketeers. I think you're on some of that squirrel crack. I'm adding some fucking Musketeers up in there. Yeah, we watched the three Musketeers. It was boring.

It was okay. It was boring as hell. Okay, yeah, it was boring as hell. I only watched it because it had Mila in it. Did it at least deliver on Mila?

Yeah, I guess. It did. There was Patty Mila, so that was kind of cool. She was adorable. Maybe we needed more Tilsh.

Was it Schwager? I can't say his last name. Tilshwager. Schwager. Tilshwager.

He isn't in it for. Like three minutes. Not even that. Not even three minutes. Like 30 seconds.

And I was so excited because I was like, oh my god, I didn't know Jill Schweiger was in this movie. Yeah, for three seconds and then he was gone. And I kept waiting for him to come back. I kept waiting like. And he never did.

He never did. The entire fucking movie. That's what hold me. Who this movie was waiting for him to come back. Fucking movie.

Stupid. Yeah. Yeah. It was just pointless. It was a good waste of.

An hour and a half. It wasn't even a good waste. It was kind of a bad waste. I can think. Of stuff that I would have rather watched than that.

Yeah. Oh, well. I think that was it. Did we watch anything else? Nope.

Too busy staring at Claude's house. Yeah. Well, the only thing I'd... Playing with squirrels. The only thing I'd seen that really this whole past week, I hadn't done anything except kind of get ready for this and all the other stuff going on.

So the last thing I watched was actually in the Kentucky Theater, which is awesome, by the way. I believe I've mentioned in the past. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. And sat there and watched Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. Which, have you seen that one?

I don't know if Jade maybe had seen it. No. You'd like it? Well, first of all, it's Sam Peckinpah, which is awesome. Basically, the main character, Billy the Kid, is Chris Christopherson.

He's good and all, but it's not his movie. Well, you'll like him in this because he's like 12 years old. He is a damn kid in this thing. Like, literally, Billy the Kid. So, I mean, he is that character, but I'm sorry, Pat Garrett is James Colburn.

He steals the damn movie. James Colburn's awesome. That's what I'm saying. I knew you liked him, so I was like, you need to see this if you haven't because he is such a badass in this movie. I mean, he is so awesome.

And he's just being like a, you know, again, he's being Pat Garrett, so he's kind of a jerk anyway, and then they give him a badge, and he's just like, I'm going to go hunt people down. And he's just, so. Many scenes of him just like, yep, there's James Colburn. He's a badass. Yeah.

And, yeah, it's got Harry Dean Stanton in it as one of the gang, and, you know, we talked to Donnie last week. He was in there, so Donnie Fritz is one of the gang as well. So it's an interesting mixture of people, and Slim Pickens is in it, for God's sakes. There's few people I'm more entertained with than Slim Pickens. God damn it, that guy's funny.

So, but, yeah, it's usual brand of Peckinpah violence, and... But again, he kind of does it for a reason. He does it well. He makes it bloody and realistic, and more so than most. Westerns ever did, especially back when earlier Westerns never did.

But yeah, otherwise, that's about all I've seen lately. I remember we went and saw a movie, and it's been a couple years. weeks now so it's not like it's a new thing so I guess if you've already seen it then we can say stuff about it because it's been out for a while we went and saw Cabin. In the Woods oh yeah I still haven't seen anything I say no spoilers no spoilers we're. Not going to spoil it totally but it's just. If you're a Joss Whedon fan and you're expecting Joss dialogue you're going to.

Be very disappointed just go see The Avengers yeah just go see The Avengers because The Avengers does have Joss dialogue because I think. He saved up all his good shit for that movie I think he did I. Think he just showed up On set and then had somebody else write the script for it. Because this did not feel like a Joss Whedon. Movie at all.

I mean, I like the concept. I like the idea. I like one of the final scenes in it. It was amazing. Yeah, but it just really lacked.

I went into it expecting the dialogue because it's Joss Whedon. I'm like, all right. I think Joss Whedon, I'm thinking it's going to have Buffy level dialogue. It's going to have fucking Firefly dialogue. All those are known for.

It's got. Amazing dialogue, and it's specifically Joss Whedon, and you can tell it's Joss Whedon most of the time. Then you get to this, and it's just like. Who the hell wrote this? It's like he.

Just sat down, told somebody his idea, and then left to go to the Avengers. They gave it to some college student to write, I think. I don't know, dude. Like I said, I liked the idea. I was just very disappointed with the dialogue.

Yeah. And dialogue, you know, it's kind of important when you. Especially in a horror movie, to me. I mean. Normal horror movies you've got the the blood and guts and that's pretty much all horror movies really i mean if you break it down but i mean the dialogue a lot of times to me really stands out yeah it makes it stand out.

Otherwise it's just another shitty. Horror movie exactly don't get. Me wrong i like shitty horror movies i think a lot of it. Yeah that's what i thought he only co-wrote it so i was just checking so it's drew goddard The director also co-wrote it, so I guess maybe you want to fault him for it. I don't know.

I still haven't seen it yet. Yeah, you fucker. You got me all excited for nothing. It was a great idea. I liked the concept.

I said, there are some scenes in there that you're just like, that's fucking awesome. Then you got to listen to them talk, and I'm just like, I'd rather you all just shut up. It had a young Chris Hemsworth in it. Oh, he is dreamy. That's what I figured you'd say.

I love me some Chris Hemsworth. But they all each have their role, and it's over-stereotypical. Yeah. I mean, they have the stoner who is just, it's fucking a physical, real-life version of Shaggy walking around. Basically, yeah.

It is. It's like Shaggy without Scooby, and that's how the whole movie felt. I've seen that movie. Like something, and then you're just missing something the whole time. Yeah, you're missing Scooby.

They could CG him in later, I guess. Yeah, it did pretty much feel like a Scooby game. You know, but then it's just... And I understand why they have... Why they are all so stereotypical is because that's the point, you know?

But still, it was just... I was so disappointed in the dialogue. And I keep harping on that, and I'm sorry. But to me, that's, Joss Whedon, why did you do this to me? Yeah.

I mean, unless he's, again, unless he's so overanalyzing the whole horror concept that they really are. I mean, he's going overboard to make them stereotypical, to make this point of deconstructing horror and all that. I don't know. I've heard so many people theorize what's going on. Even if you're going to over-stereotype them, make it fucking good.

Make their dialogue fucking amazing. I can deal with stereotypes as long as it's very well-written stereotypes. You're going to give me this shit and try to pass it off as the greatest horror movie ever, and then you're just going to piss me off. That seems to have happened. Chris Hemsworth is dreamy.

I still don't want to see The Avengers, though. You should. It's awesome. I don't like Jeremy Renner's face. That doesn't surprise me, either.

I hate his face. It's like. He's not... He ends up being not a huge... I mean, well, he's kind of.

Important in the story, but it's a long way into the movie before you really get him, like, Avenger-ing, so. But it's just. I forget what else bothered me about it. He shoots a bow and arrow, and there are, like, lots of other people in the world that shoot a bow and arrow. Yeah, but he's awesome at it.

And he has a fancy bow and arrow and it explodes and shit. Rambo had a bow and arrow that exploded. Why couldn't they just get Rambo? If you could bring Rambo in on it, I mean. Is Rambo an Avenger?

He could be, you don't know. He could have been. He's getting too old for that, man. He's got super plastic surgery now. He only makes movies that he makes now.

But yeah, I'm very disappointed in the dialogue. I'm mad. That's the problem. that Sylvester couldn't pull off the Joss Whedon dialogue. I don't know how to say all that stuff. What's a Spidey sense?

Everybody's like, well, if you like Joss Whedon, you'll like the Avengers, but I want an original... I like Joss Whedon original stuff. I like Buffy. I like Firefly. I like.

That's Joss Whedon stuff, you know? I don't... It's like him playing with somebody else's toys. You know what you should see? Cabin in the Woods.

I would still. You don't like either version of it at this point. You've got issues with Joss. I do have issues with Joss. He's very Joss.

He's very... Piss me off. Yeah, it's like... I'm not a big Avengers fan. I don't care about the Avengers.

I don't. I don't think many people did up until this movie came around. I was like, why do. I care if Joss Whedon decided to write a fucking fan fiction of fucking Avengers, you know? Because that's what geeks do.

But still, you know, why do I care? I'd rather see an original work by him than some fan fiction of something else. That's what I say about a lot of people. But this one, I don't know, this one he did a good job. Whatever.

It was your listenership. Yeah, you're just well opinionated. All right. All right. I'll think of something else I'll watch later.

I'll tell you all about it. Probably. I guess we will go wander around the fest and see what else we can find. Where's the Moon Knight movie, damn it? I want a Moon Knight movie.

You've been on that Moon Knight movie for a long time. Moon Knight? What's your deal? It's Moon Knight. I have no idea who Moon Knight is.

He's a knight. Most of America knows. He's a knight of the moon. He's got a cape. You like capes, do you?

Yeah. I just picture him as the Mac the Knight guy. I just picture him with a giant moon head fighting crime. With a piano. Where's the Mac the Knight movie?

Fighting crime. Yeah. Defending the city. Yeah, I'd watch that. That sounds pretty awesome.

Mac Knight. All right, I guess we will take a break and we will be back. All the shark has... Pretty. Teeth, dear.

And he shows them a pearly white. Just such jackknife as Mac Heath did. And he keeps it. Out of sight. When the shark bites.

With his teeth, dear, scarlet billows start to spread. Fancy gloves, though, where's my heat, dear? So there's not a trace of red on the sidewalk. Sunday morning, baby, lies a body oozing life. Someone sneaking around to call me out.

Is there someone back tonight from a tugboat by the river? I see my bags drooping down. Refresh yourself. It's intermission time. The concession stand is open and ready to serve you.

Los Angeles, 2019. There was an. Escape from the off-world colonies. They slaughtered... The assignment?

Track down six manufactured humans. He's the best man for the job. But he may die trying to prove it. Harrison Ford is the Blade Runner. When the lights are blinking That means that I'm thinking That.

Means that I'm sinking. Go sit down the victim. Go sit down the system. Take a cold. And piss down.

Telecoms and bedding. Memories like bedding. Dream of shape of electric. I've gone through the motions. Dream of ill emotions.

I dream of it. All right, we're here with Joanna Cassidy. I usually like to kind of start at the beginning, so I guess going back to childhood, was performing something you were always. Interested in or had a knack for it even when you were young? I had no interest in it whatsoever.

I really was not a performer. I was a bit of. A loner, actually. I never thought about entertaining or being in the business. At all.

Weren't even involved in, like, theater or anything in school? No. I did the makeup in school. Yeah. Yes, I was backstage.

And I. My life looked like... Then I wasn't... No, I. Didn't mind being the creative part, so more the artistic part.

So I would do, you know, makeup, hair, costumes, and that sort of thing. Yeah. And then you got involved in art earlier on? In that time, I guess, you were more focused on art and sculpture? I was.

I went to Syracuse University to study fine art and did not actually pursue that. There wasn't time to do it, but I've done it in my own way over the years, through houses and architecture and landscaping, etc. Do you still paint and stuff like that? Do you take that on yourself now? Yeah, I do.

When there's time, you know, and I'm not running back and forth from L.A. To Louisiana. I do make time for that. Specific mediums? No, watercolors are good.

They work for me. And, you know, sculpting is clay, different types of clay and. So on and so on. It's good to know you're still doing it, though. Yes.

That's good. I think it's a smart thing to get into. It seems to go with the age-appropriateness of life. Yeah. I guess once you shifted, what was the drive that led.

You to getting into acting and specifically into movies? Survival, honey. Isn't that always with work at all? Yeah. But I guess what.

You could have gotten a job at a restaurant somewhere. What was it specifically that drew you to acting? Well, I guess I had enough people around me saying to me, you know, you should really be an actress. And I didn't really understand why. I mean, I understood on one level that I had a look that was a good look at the time, you know, and that always helps.

But of course... it also helps if you've got the chops. And if you've had the experience and a lot of people come out of theater and, and, you know, have, have all that wonderful experience and would, and studied, you. Know, in school, theater and acting and so on, which, which I didn't. So, you know, I, it's something, you know, looks changed. People are constantly coming in new and, And changing over.

It's a whole different system now. It used to be that the studios supported their actors for. A long time. You're lucky to get through a movie now. Yeah.

Not them changing their mind. It's a very different deal today. Definitely. Was one of the earlier ones you just sort of ended. Up in Bullet?

How did that. Well, I was i was an extra yeah you know i was hired as an extra because i had a. Fur coat that's all it takes sometimes. So when i you know i was in a scene where i was parked on a very steep hill in san francisco and my clutch burned out and steve mcqueen rescued me and you know because i hit all these other cars and uh so he I met him, and that was very interesting, and Robert Vaughn. And, you know, it kind of gave me a taste of the excitement of life, which I really, being from a small town in.

New Jersey, I really had no clue about. And all of a sudden, I was like, wow, this is. Hanging out with Steve McQueen. This is pretty cool. Yeah.

So, you know. That's cool. Well, there were a few other ones I kind of wanted to hit. And I guess earlier ones, just to see what your thoughts are. I was just kind of looking into The Night Child.

What was that? Was that in Italy that you ended up shooting? Yes, it was. It was in Spoleto. We shot that in Spoleto.

And that was Richard... Oh, gosh, what? Richard... Ah! I can't think of his last name.

And he's a Shakespearean actor. He was married to Kim Novak. What is his last name? Um. And I just had the most amazing time doing that.

And, of course, I love the Italians, so what could be bad? You know, being kind of thrown into another country like that, was it an interesting shoot or anything out of the ordinary? Everything was out of the ordinary, yes. You know, I. Don't think I'll go into detail.

It was a very rough shoot. Oh, right. And... But fun. I mean, we laughed all through the whole thing.

We just laughed and laughed and laughed and did kind of a fun movie. I think the one thing I've always tried to do in all the films that I've done is just enjoy myself and have a good time and make it a wonderful, just a bigger-than-life experience. And I don't know, maybe that's where I went wrong. I didn't take it so seriously. Yeah.

I mean, I did and I didn't, if you know what I mean. In a way, it's better the other way. You know, I think you get more out of it personally if you're not so concerned about the professionalism and just have fun with it. Oh, no, professional I am. Well.

Professional I am. Professionalism, but not really worried about, you know, the finance end of it more so than the artistic. End of it. Well, no, you have to stay away from the finance end. Let the other guys take care of that stuff.

I guess we can get to... You know, at that point, I guess, you got into Blade Runner. How did that even come about for you? I just had an English agent who knew Ridley, and he said to Ridley, you know, she's really the only actress in town that can do it because she's. Got the snake, so.

Yeah. You come with your own snake. Mm-hmm. And I met with him, and he said, of course. Yeah.

Of course. What was he like as a director? I mean, he's sort of known for being very specific and very, you know. He's a perfectionist. Yes.

And he will do take after take after take until he gets exactly what he wants, and he can do that because he's brilliant. Yeah. So. And I guess you were sort of on that set. From what I've seen of it, that was a pretty massive and detailed.

Set that they worked on. Yes. Yes, it was. I guess what was it like being immersed in that? Well, I loved it.

It was shot on the Warner Brothers set. And, you know, I mean, you'd come on it. It was night shooting for me. And in just the energy of it, it was just huge. It was huge.

It was a major film that I knew would go on to be phenomenal. Yeah. You just felt that way. There was so much rain in that one. Yeah, there was a lot.

There was rain. I don't think it was raining when I jumped the cars and things. No. No. The rest of the movie.

Well, and then I was going to go into Roger Rabbit. That has to be a very different process for most movies, just working around creatures that aren't there, I guess. And that was sort of when they weren't doing that yet. That was, you know, pre-CG taking over everything. So how much of an adjustment was.

That for you? Well, every actor has an imagination. You kind of have to, but I mean. Since you don't know what the end result's going to be, it's not the easiest thing to know where to focus and make... I mean, because I didn't know what they were going to put in in the end, so I'm trying to pick up an eyeline that I thought would work.

And it was not easy. I mean, I have to say, it wasn't easy. It got better as it went along, but... You know, working with Bob Hoskins, who was so brilliant at it. He was just amazing.

He's an amazing actor. And gets not near enough respect for what he's done. No, no, neither have I. Well, obviously you. And then I was going to ask, what was it like working with Robert Zemeckis?

I mean, he has done some of my favorite movies of all time. That is pretty high up on the list, too. But he's done such a shift in the way that he works now as a filmmaker. I guess, what was he like as a director then? Well, he's a very kind man, and he's.

Constantly in his imagination. This was a huge undertaking for him, and he never let anyone know at the time the kind of pressure he was under to get this film done. It was a lot. I would never want to be in his position. He had to oversee so much, and so he was pretty preoccupied.

Yeah. But a kind man and a very, very extremely bright man. It's such a weird shift with his new CG stuff. Are you a fan of those type of movies, the things that he's in now that are like the completely CG characters and actors just sort of doing their voices? You're sort of a template for what the character will be, but they sort of cover you up with animation.

I was just wondering what your thoughts on that were. I think we're going to be taking over I mean, it's sad to say to me. I think that there are certain directors who are more comfortable working in a technical area than they are with people. And I think that. I could name a few, but.

It's very clear to me that that's... Once the director moved away from being right on the set and watching the actor from next to the camera, and he went over and sat behind the boxes and the video thing, I said, that's. The end of that. It's a different process then. Well, it really separates the connection, and I've never cared for it.

I just think it's different filmmaking. Yeah, I think I've talked to some directors about that, and I think that's what it is. It's that you have complete control over everything. So I guess for a director, it's like the ultimate medium is being able to, you know, have control over a camera moving that's not really a camera anymore. It's just a computer, but yeah, I think that's kind of where it's going.

I mean, you know, I can understand it from that point of view. It's just that there's part of me that, is. Aware of the fact that actors who are, you know, have frailties and vulnerabilities and can make mistakes can be replaced, especially when they can be, you know, maneuvered around by a computer. I mean, you know, so you don't have to do take six. You do take one.

Or whatever it is. They manipulate everything from there. Right. The other one I was going to hit, we talked to Daniel Harris about it. I wanted to get your take on Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Day.

Oh, well, I never had so much fun. I mean, I just, everyone was just adorable. And, of course, what always happens to me is I work with these people and they go on to become huge megastars. I mean, like Christina and David Duchovny. And then there was another little girl who played a secretary.

I can't remember her name. She was in a. Thing. And I seem to be this. this beacon, you know, for all these people that, like, take a ride off me. You know, I feel like a spaceship at times.

You're the touchstone. They all come to you. That's what it is. I'm a touchstone. And they, you know, that's what does it for them.

It's you. It's me. It's me. It's me. And who's going to be my touchstone?

We've got to figure that out. But, yeah, that's such a fun movie. I just didn't know yet. I loved it. I don't know why it wasn't a bigger hit.

Yeah. Quite frankly. I don't know. It came at a time it probably should have been. I guess there were other movies with that sense of humor.

Oh, you've got to understand. Everything I've done in my career has been ahead of its time. When I did Buffalo Bill, and I was nominated for an Emmy, and I won a Golden Globe off that, and, you know. I didn't get the Emmy. It went to.

Another actress who I thought did a very mediocre show at the time. She was good, but I just didn't think the show was anything. We've always been ahead of the crowd in a lot of things that I've done. A lot of things. Even including a movie that I did where I played a woman with early Alzheimer's that came out before Julie Christie's movie. and nobody wanted anything to do with it they didn't want to know from it so and it was very good it was a very good film so there you go yeah.

Well that's one i was gonna i mean we discussed some of the underappreciated stuff what's one or two of the ones that you think should have gotten more recognition, some of your favorite. Projects, I guess, that people didn't really take to as much as they should? You should have asked me when I had my IMDB in front of me. I've really done so much. Honest to God, I get myself lost sometimes.

You've got quite a resume. Yes, I do. I do. No, seriously. Because there are parts and films that have not shown up that.

I know are wonderful and nobody's ever seen them. It's tough to do that much work. I guess with any movies, you can never tell what's going to hit and what isn't. No, you don't. You don't know.

It's a leap of faith. It is a leap of faith. At this point, I. I don't think about the future of a film. I really just want to work and do what I do.

I enjoy it. I intend to be working probably for the rest of my life. You're still doing impressive stuff because didn't you just recently get nominated for another Emmy for Six Feet Under? Yes, I did. Well, I was nominated for an Emmy there, and I was nominated for the Gemini Award.

In the Canadian HBO show Call Me Fitz. What can I say? It's still happening. Well, you've done a lot of TV work. I was told I should ask you about one of your favorites on Starsky and Hutch.

Oh, yes. I played a pathological transvestite in that. And I have the name of the show. It's called The Avenger. It's in the fourth year, and it was in.

1978, and I'm going to get a copy of it because it is the most. It came out on October 31st, Halloween. Halloween! Halloween! My God!

Everybody dress up like a transvestite. There you go. Well, I was a pretty woman. Well, obviously. You know.

It's an amazing piece of work. I should have won an Emmy for that. For that. I'm serious. I'm serious.

So, see, something like that is very frustrating to me because I didn't have all the parts in places. I didn't have a publicist. I didn't have somebody telling me what to do. I didn't know what to do. I was on my own.

You know. If I had had a studio behind me, I would have won an award for that performance. It was an amazing performance. Oh, no. So there have been things in my life and my career that I have missed because I haven't had the support.

I'm serious. I really have not had the support. Was it just you didn't know going in? Was it just kind of ignorance at that point of not knowing what to get? Or was it just bad luck?

No, it's not bad luck. I needed a mentor. And I didn't have one. And I think every actor needs a mentor and a guide, which is what I do now. I teach kids how to act, and I try and fill in all the spaces with them and tell them what to expect, tell them what to get, what they need to have to stay in the business, and so on and so on.

And I hit every aspect of it. So I'm like the mother of these new young kids coming up, and I... And I like being that because, damn it, you know, everybody needs that. Yeah, that's amazing to bother to do that because not everybody does. And you don't.

Have to, I suppose. So it's nice that you're putting it there for the next generation of actors coming through. Well, then, is there, again, working a lot? Is there stuff you want to tell people you've got in the works to look for coming out? Well, just, you know, keep your eyes open for.

Body of Proof again and Call Me Fitz the Canadian HBO and then I did a movie. Called Doorway that'll be coming out in a few months and. That was a lovely show to do really lovely that's about it for now. Okay I think that was about it thank you for talking with us today. The mist is rising, hell in the morning.

I wake up a victim, hot in the haze. My night is shining, and I'm burning. I'm trying to surprise. This is my honey. Is they running?

My honey. Is they running? My name. Hey kids, it's time again for the Fright Night Horror Weekend, coming June 29th through July 1st at the Gold House Hotel and Convention Center in Louisville, Kentucky. This year's guests include Bruce Campbell, Sean Astin, Corey Feldman, John Rhys-Davies, the fifth doctor himself, Peter Davison, plus James Marsters and Nicholas Brendan, as well as Tyler Mayne, Deborah Foreman, Andy Barclay, Christine Elise McCarthy, Sid Haig, Caroline Williams, as well as a Monster Squad reunion and an Evil Dead 2 reunion.

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No! Creature from the Black Lagoon. Shocking in the realism of the screen's first underwater three-dimension thrill. Grimly, men of daring venture into a dread world underwater, stalking a creature of frightening fury, a creature stirred to strange emotions by its first sight of a woman. You'll see the most amazing underwater photography that the screen has ever known in this strangest of all science fiction adventures.

Creature from the Black Lagoon. Starring Richard Carlson and Julia Adams. Even more amazing in three dimensions. I've taken a plastic surgery. The people say that I'm ugly.

I've taken a plastic surgery. The people say that I'm ugly. Oh, Lord, I've sent my child by the neighbor. Last Sunday to get some water. I find the child was staying too long.

The neighbor comes questioning the child upside down. Boy, how your father ugly so. My boy child just tell them no Yesterday he passed by me And your father really ugly When I go home I'm going to tell my mommy All you say my daddy ugly. The creature from the black lagoon Is your father No I'm going to tell my mama The creature from the black lagoon Is your father No I'm going to tell my papa. We're here with Julie Adams.

I guess I just wanted to start early on. Were you, as a child, were you sort of interested in performing? Were you one of those kind of kids that was always putting on a show? Well, I don't know that I was always putting on a show, but I had a real interest in acting. And so in school, if there was a play or something, I was always in the play.

And then I did speech things and so on. And so I always had that bug that I wanted to be an actress. At what point, I mean, I guess you were doing plays in school. At what point did you decide to take it to the professional level or at least seek it out in that way? Well, I think I had that in mind for a long time, but I stayed in Arkansas.

I went to junior college, and I did plays in junior college. And then I wanted, I thought I wanted to go to New York and try my luck. But my father, my father's first wife, who lived in Long Beach, California, and she had always loved him. And she was back once in Little Rock because she had Arkansas connections as well. And so I talked to her when I met Ruth.

And she said. She knew I was interested in acting. She said, well, if you ever want to come to California, I will help you. Because she had a bathing suit shop and she outfitted girls for beauty beauty prizes and that sort of thing. So she kind of had vague connections with talent scouts.

So that's on that slim chance. That's how I changed to going to California from New York. That's pretty good. That's again, still just kind of having faith and going with it and. Just embarking, you know, on this crazy thing.

My, My dear Aunt Alice there, I was working at the state capitol doing secretarial work in the summers. And, of course, I could have stayed on permanently once I was out of college. And she said, oh, Betty. That was my name then, Betty. Oh, Betty, I just hate to see you give up your job at the state capitol.

But I did. That's what most people, they want you to get a good job, steady income. Absolutely. It's hard to convince them. That's right.

So I went on my... This crazy goof chase. Well, you brought up one of the things I was going to ask. You went through a couple of name changes. What prompted that?

Well, it really was. I didn't change my name until I got to Universal. And they wanted to change my name. I don't know how it came up, but anyway, somebody said Julia Adams. It was Julia first.

And so I thought, that sounds pretty good. So it was all right with me. It was just a random, they didn't like the original? I don't know, somebody, right, right, right. So I was so happy to get a contract.

I wasn't going to argue with them about changing my name. Who cares? It's just funny, they always used to do that, it seems like. That's right. And now nobody worries about that.

No, that's right. That's interesting. I was going to get into some of the individual ones and see if you had any stories or. Anything to go along with them. I guess Bend of the River was pretty big.

I mean, working with Jimmy Stewart. Bend of the River was a great opportunity for me because working with James Stewart was so great. And he looked at some of my film. He had to okay me. And so I was thrilled to have the job. and we went on location, and I remembered so distinctly one day, we were doing a scene, I'm in the back of a covered wagon, and he's just standing outside, and it's a little conversation that we have, not a big scene, but, so we did the two-shot, and then they did his close-up first, and I so clearly remember watching him, and I thought, How does he do that?

He is not, quote, doing anything, and yet everything is there. That's screen acting. It was just effortless for him. That's right, and I thought, that's what I want. So that's the way you learn, is working with really good people like that.

Well, I guess it was right around then you did Creature from the Black Lagoon. Could you have imagined the impact that it was going to make? Of course not. If anybody had told me that 50-something years later we would still even be talking about this movie, I would have said, are you crazy? And when I got the assignment, because I'd also done a film, one of my first things at Universal was with Arthur Kennedy about a blinded veteran.

It was a very interesting film. So I'd been working with people that were very skilled, and I thought, creature from the what what is this and i thought well if i turn it down i won't get paid and i'm going suspension and i thought oh well what the hey it won't take that long it might be fun and indeed it was but if anybody told me we'd still be talking about it I'm just this long after I said are you. Out of your mind well it was it was late in the universal monster series had you at least seen the earlier ones were you familiar with like the dracula's and frankenstein. Oh yeah I'd like I'd like those as as a kid you know really you know those those were thrilling but uh. Did you have any idea you were sort of being brought into that family?

No, I did not. It was a shock to be brought into that family. It was just another movie at the time. Little did you know. Little did I know, absolutely.

You'd be living with this big green guy for. The rest of your life. He's a big man in my life, right? That's true. Here he is, right over, behind us here.

Well, then, I guess what was the shoot itself? I mean, how much... I know Riku did a lot of weird swimming stuff. How much were you involved in the underwater stuff and all that? There's a lot of those scenes where you're sort of dragged underwater or pulled off the boat.

Well, I was not involved in any of the underwater things. And also, although I'm a good swimmer, I was a good swimmer, I did the above, you know, the water swimming on the surface. But also, I didn't know how to dive. I'd never learned how to dive. So polyberson. did the dive for me in the picture, and then I had a double in Florida as well.

Ginger Stanley doubled me underwater and so on. So I didn't have to work that hard, really. I can't think about it. That's it. I mean, it's some amazing underwater shots, and especially for the time, the fact that they got some of that stuff that I don't think you could duplicate now.

It's just amazing looking. Yeah. It was very well directed and very well shot, beautifully shot. So it's remarkable, and it's still popular today. Yeah.

Going through some of the other ones, and then you've worked with some really big names. One that I forgot was Francis. One of the biggest actors in Hollywood. That's right, the talking mule. Right, right.

But again, looking at that, it's funny that I mean, I guess it's not any different now. There's just as many talking animal movies now as there were then, so that part doesn't seem that strange. But in watching it, it's funny how much it deals with, like, gender roles and how it's... Oh, absolutely. It's so, like, you know, not only...

So I was wondering what your... I mean, not only has the world sort of shifted a little with gender roles, but definitely in Hollywood, how it's been for you dealing with that as it goes on. Right. Well, it's... That was fun because this was called Francis Joins the Wax.

Yeah. And so I think I was a lieutenant or something. I was not just a, you know, a private whatever they call them, you know. You were ordering everybody else around. That's right.

So I was kind of in charge of my, of the wax section. And I had a lot of fun making it. I thought at first, a Francis movie and the things, and we were talking mule. And then, of course, they went, I loved working with Donald O'Connor. Donald O'Connor was so wonderful and funny.

And so I had a great time. Doing the movie. I really did. I had considered turning it down, but I was very wise not to. Was it, again, dealing with the whole gender issue, is that something that had come up.

In Hollywood, like working in the industry? Is it something that you felt they were only giving you specific roles because of that? Well.... I don't know about specific roles. I mean, yeah, certainly women were, you know, very rarely the stars.

You know, it was more of a male-oriented thing, except with certain real female movie stars. But once I got to working, I didn't really mind that. For instance, The Private War of Major Benson with Charlton Heston. Yeah. I was, he's the star, but I had a wonderful role.

I was a teacher, and there were things about the children, and there were things, and so she was a very strong person. So I quickly put that aside, because it depended on the role, depended on the relationships. It's just funny how much they sort of change, especially the further back you go, the more they sort of like, put the women up on a pedestal or treat them differently. Yes, yes. Because even in Bend of the River, like, when he starts talking to the doc about, you know, we've got somebody, you know, he thinks Jimmy Stewart has been shot with the arrow, and he tells him, ah, just break it off.

It'll fall out. Oh, gosh, right. And then they go, no, it's a woman. He's like, oh, okay. And then they lay you up in bed for, like, a month.

That's right. That's right. Oh, yes. I was like, well, that's... weird. That's right this woman could have been up a lot sooner than that right i was.

Like i was i thought that was so funny. Oh yeah but absolutely but i didn't argue with him it was it was easy. I'm gonna go to this scene in bed right now that's right take a nap. For a while i got a little nervous with the the arrow shooting scene because yeah they put a whole thing on my shoulder here to And then they ran a wire up to the guy with the arrow. So I was grateful for the wire.

Afraid they're actually going to shoot you. That's right. But they all took very good care of me. Definitely. Well, you mentioned Charlton Heston.

What was it like working with him on that one? I liked him very much. I liked him very much. He was very good for the part. And because he was a fellow who was a real Army man, And took himself rather seriously, which Charlton Heston did take himself rather seriously.

Yeah, definitely. And he was very good in the part. He was excellent and a very attractive man. He's got a very specific acting style. too. Like, some stuff it works for, and that's, yeah, when you find it, it's a perfect.

Match. Well, I could not ask about working with Elvis. I mean, that's pretty huge. Not everybody can say that. Well, I tell you, he was.

Very charming young man. And I really liked him. And he's from the South, and I was raised in the South. And so I recognized him. He was a very, this kind of courtesy about young Southern men that a lot of fellas don't have.

And he had that quality, which is very charming. Very charming. And I just really liked him. I enjoyed working with him. And I enjoyed playing the scenes with him.

And he was just so good. And then when he did the musical numbers and the nightclub thing, I just sat and watched because he did this thing walking from table to table and singing or matching the whatever. Did it in one take. So I was really in awe of him. Yeah, especially with musicals, a lot of times you're just like, here comes another song.

And then with that one, it's like, But it's Elvis, so you're just like, you get sucked in. It's like, oh, well, this is a really good song. That's right. And he was wonderful. He was wonderful.

So I always treasured working with him and getting to know him as a person. Because one day, I don't know, there was a pause between things, and he, I don't know, we got to talking, and it came around, and he started talking about being in the service and how he just wanted to be one of the guys. And I felt this empathy for him because, of course... Elvis Presley, being drafted into the Army, is not just one of the guys. And couldn't be.

But I felt for him. And I thought, yeah, that made him feel very separate from everybody. I think that was probably true his whole life. Like, he always seemed like he wanted to have a normal life and, like, nobody around him would let him. Colonel, specifically, as the stories go.

Whatever. Was he around? Was the Colonel, like. Well, the Colonel was around some. But.

As I said, my memories of him are just really of this really nice young southern gentleman that was just really gifted. I mean, as I said, I watched in awe as he did the musical numbers. Anybody can do this. Yeah. Ha-ha.

Yeah, a natural talent, I guess. It comes right out. Yeah, yeah. Again, just kind of going through a lot of the big people you worked with. I was going to ask you, McHugh with John Wayne.

Oh, yes. He's another very iconic character. Iconic. Absolutely. I loved working with him.

We had a scene. I played his ex-wife. And we had a daughter together. So we had a scene about that. But there were all kinds of undercurrents of the relationship in the scene.

It was a well-written scene. And I really enjoyed working with him. And it was really fun because it had a lot of shadings that movie scenes don't have always. And he was so... I really liked him enormously.

And I would have enjoyed working with him. Again, I never got a chance to. But I liked him and I respected him. The only other one who's going to ask, they brought you in in Black Roses. I was going to see if that was like your return to the horror.

That's right. That was called Tilt. But. I always sort of embark on things, if it's offbeat or whatever, and you kind of just say, okay, you roll with the punches and, you know, it's a job and it's a movie and let's have fun with it. Let's enjoy it.

And I did. I enjoyed the character that I played. It was interesting. But it turned out fine for me. And I remember. being rather shocked when the movie came out.

And it got reviewed in the New York Times, and I got a very nice mention in the review. So I said, well, it wasn't so bad. Horror fans are very dedicated. If there's an actor that they like and they keep seeing him come up in movies, so it's funny that even going back as far as Creature, they love having their horror actors come back and be in movies. Yeah, interesting.

Definitely. That's funny. Well, you've been in so many things over the years, and I was talking to Joanne here this week, and I kind of asked her the same thing. Is there something that you feel, out of all these different ones that maybe we haven't mentioned, that is sort of an underappreciated movie or something that you really like that you felt like never caught on the way it should have? Well, let's see.

It's hard to say. No, I think where I got a great deal of pleasure was I would take some time and do things on the stage. so that when I did a play like Long Day's Journey Into Night, that was a great step for me in another sphere and also something that tested me in many ways and that I feel that there was really. A. I got some kind of a little award in Los Angeles for it. I was very thrilled to get that in one of the stage things because...

It was something that I related to a lot from my life, my childhood. And that I could play that. And it's a very dark play. But it's very truthful. It's very truthful.

And I've never been a great crier in movies. I mean, when there's a crying scene, it's sort of hard for me to conjure up the tears. And this play... I would just, and tears would just flow down my face, you know, so it was a great kind of experience for me, another kind of experience. Yeah, did you, you say you did a good amount of plays, or did you sort of mix it up with the.

Movies over the years? Oh, I did, then I did a lot of plays. I began to go out and be a guest artist in plays in the Midwest, or maybe in the East, and so on, and it was great fun, because I started doing comedies, and comedies are a on the stage are great fun because you get laughs. You know. It's just, the audience, you can hear the audience.

You hear the, right, right, right. It's not like, you know, filming a comedy, you know. It's very different. I mean, you know if it's working because if they don't laugh, you know, you didn't get your laugh. You better go back and look at it again, you know.

Definitely. So, and I loved it. I did several comedies, yeah, or guested. So I loved it. It was a great time to sort of, It's like stretching your wings to get a larger venue, so to speak.

Well, you've got, again, so many interesting stories, and you've recently put them into a book. You want to tell people about that? Yes. It's The Lucky Southern Star. It's The Lucky Southern Star, and I think it's a pretty good book.

We actually got pretty good reviews, and I've had a good response to it. because it's autobiographical, but it has a lot of stories about the work and so on that I put into it. So perhaps any young actress might be interested in the book simply because it has a, A lot of talk about developing, learning. Just going into the rest of your career. The big green guy overshadows a lot of stuff. That's right.

It's good to shine the light on the rest of the stuff. Right, right, right. And going through things like losing my southern accent. That's a lot to do. Right, right, right.

Well, I guess what's the best way for people to find it? Can they go to your website or. Yes, it's on my website, and a number of bookstores carry it. I'm sure Amazon, so yeah, just send them out looking for it. It's the Lucky Southern Star.

Yes, that's right. Very cool. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for talking to me.

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Real squirrels. And there were thousands. This isn't some kind of metaphor. Goddamn, this is real. All right, so we are back.

We're here wrapping up this episode, Misty. Yes. Jay's already bailed. He had to go home, so. He had parental duties.

You have to, well, you better go take care of your squirrel. I do, totally. I'm sad. I've probably missed him. He's probably already gone back to his squirrel house by now.

I'm depressed. Maybe I'll see him tomorrow. I think. I'll wait outside all day. I think it's a safe bet someday you'll be in a squirrel house.

Anyway. Yeah. You know. Because I'm nuts. So, yeah, I'll let you do your wrap-up.

I will be back for a whole other episode somewhere down the line. I'm going to assume that I'm not going to be here tomorrow because I'm a slacker. But whatever. I didn't find anything I desperately need except for a little Godzilla stomping the hell out of Smither. I don't know who he's stomping, but it was pretty funny.

I got a roadie. You did. Awesome. And I got my picture taken with the aliens guy. I like that even we're not really sure what his name is.

It's Giorgio. It's Giorgio from Ancient Aliens for you guys. But it's funny that everyone, you know, he has a line, and I specifically brought somebody in. I told them about him, and they got all excited, and they came and saw him. So he's got his fans, but it's funny, like, everybody in our camp was just like, Who's that guy with the crazy hair?

He's that one guy from all, like, the memes and everything. Most of the aliens. That's all I have. I've never seen him, like, actually in person before. He's a lot shorter than I had anticipated.

And he insulted me. Well, he insulted Corey. That's worse than insulting you, really. Dude, he asked if I had Justin Bieber tattooed on my leg. I was like, uh, no.

That's Corey Haim, and that is an insult. Yeah. That's reason to smack him i'm telling you and then. He asked if i was carrying around a little chewbacca in my purse and uh no that would be. Winchester yeah that's winchester any any longtime fans are familiar with winchester he's a wolf man and if you're a member of the secret circle we're going to send you pictures of winchester who is hanging out here today with bruce we have a new little misty found this uh stuffed shark that is now you know hanging out on our table so his name's bruce bruce the shark he's hanging out with with winchester and they were they were They were selling t-shirts.

Drinking buddies. Drinking coffee and hanging out on Jeff the mixer board. So, you know. Oh, his name's Jeff? Yes.

I didn't know you had a name. Because Jeff paid for it. Oh. Who's Jeff? Jeff, our awesomest fan who gives his money because he's nice and he believes in the show.

You should write his name on there with the glitter paint. No, I want it embossed like a Cadillac. No, I want the little Cadillac thing. I want it printed out in plastic and all cursive-y. I want glitter puffy paint.

Oh, Lord. I had so many puffy paint shirts when I was a kid. I'd bust that shit out. You'd be wearing them now if you could. If I could find them.

They all fell off. I know. Puffy paint don't really last. Oh, my God. But yeah, I was insulted by the aliens guy.

But whatever, I still got a picture with him. With my very forced fake smile. Whatever. Well, the guy had to take three pictures before he got it right. People are special.

What are you going to do? But yeah, that was pretty exciting. You do have a sticker that you're going to. Yeah, he gave me three stickers. No, let's talk about the bumper sticker, though.

Oh, let me break it out real quick. The ancient alien on board. Sticker? Is that the one you're referring to? That's cool.

I'm going to go find your truck out in the parking lot. I'm going to put it on it. I got a razor. I can take it back off. And then he gave me one with his face on it.

That's pretty awesome. It is funny. He has crazy hair. He does. I think that doesn't really need to be stated, but I'm stating it anyway.

He does have crazy hair. Make sure he's not still in the room. He's just lurking behind you. I'm pretty sure I saw him walk out earlier. Okay, that's not him either.

Nice. But, yeah, there's been quite the extravaganza of people to see. I did not know that Jawas are fuzzy. We've decided that apparently when Jawas are young, much like baby chickens. And ducks.

They're fuzzy. Fuzzy. And then they grow out of it, and they just become adult Jawas, which are not really much taller than baby Jawas. And not fuzzy, apparently. And I guess not fuzzy.

But they're fluffy. It was weird. You should go over and pet them. Oh, look at the little Jawa. Nobody wants to pet a Jawa.

No. It's just a little baby. It's just a little baby. Your eyes light up when you say that. Yes, they do.

But I'm tired. I'm trying to think if there's anything else we need to discuss during this extravaganza. It's been a pretty good year. I was still surprised Bill Moseley was here. He didn't give me any cookies.

Not so far, but maybe I'll get some tomorrow when you aren't here. You probably will. I'll stock up on all the cookies when you're not here. That's all right. I don't like pecan sandies anyways.

But they're Bill Moseley pecan sandies. But I've already had one. Fine then. I know. More cookies for me.

More cookies for you. But, yes, it's been another fun year. It's been, again, we've lost count of how many years. I don't know, like 15 years I've been coming at this thing. I've been coming for, I think it's 11 years.

This has been my 11th year because my mom's wedding anniversary was 10 years ago last year. So she'll never let me forget that I made her postpone her wedding so that I could get George Romero's autograph. So this is my 11th year. I'm telling you, geek cred for you for that one. That's major geek cred as far.

As I'm concerned. It ain't my fault she chose the only day out of the year that George Romero was going to be at Wonderfest signing autographs for free. And that was back when he didn't even do a lot of appearances. That's the only time I'd seen him at that point. And he was signing for free.

Well, we don't even want to go into that because they'll just be jealous that they can't go back in time unless they finish their time machine. The one Jeremiah's going to use to take over the world? No. Make the world fair? I'm making my own time machine.

All right. Yeah, not everybody can have a time machine. I would do bad things if I had a time machine. Yeah, me too. That's why I'm trying to build it.

Actually, I would do all kinds of awesome things. Oh, well. But, yep, it's been fun. I guess, if nothing else, we want to say thank you to the Wonderfest crew, Dave and everybody there. Bo's helped us out this weekend.

So, yeah, definitely thanks to everybody on the staff for letting us come here and hang out and do the show. Once again, if you're planning for next year, that is wonderfest.com. Anything else you want to say? Nope. All right.

Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening. That guy was walking funny.

I'm in love with a creature from the Black Lagoon. Though fate now keeps us countless miles apart. I was stuck to this creature like an old harpoon. But he fled. Leaving me a broken heart.

How I loved to caress him when I thought he cared. I'd press my fingers to his scaly hide. But he gave up the happiness we might have shared. And in thin, treading water, side by. Side, oh, I'll never forget.

We were splashing along. While the band played our song. My water wings were filled with love for him. When upon this slimy boundary Spied a young flirtatious flounder. And left me there.

To sink or swim How I pine for the creature from the black lagoon Though his return is but a futile wish And I'm left with the echo of. Our favorite tune. And the faintly lingering fragrance of fish. The eel, the heel, the trout, the lout, the cod, the claw, the creature from the Black Lagoon. Well, this is Julie Adams, and you are listening to Movie Meltdown.

And I hope I haven't melted down your day too fast. You never know. We have a lot of meltdowns on this show. This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and edited by The Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by The Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support the show, email producer at moviemeltdown.com.

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