185: Roach Caught In The Spider's Web

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I am Brian and we are coming to you live via digital recording from the Days of the Dead Fest here in Indianapolis. And this week we have a special guest co-host with us, Mr. Sean Wadling. How you doing everybody? Just to kind of get into, to give people a reference of where they know you from.

Because they'll all see you and go, oh, yeah. That guy. That's why I call my page that guy, Sean Whalen, because that's what everybody calls me first. They call me that guy first. Oh, yeah, you're that guy.

You're that guy. But, yeah, I guess just to get into the earlier stuff, was it Washington, D.C. You were originally from? Yeah. Yeah, born and raised in the Maryland area, right around Washington, D.C., and got into theater there, and then came out to California, and then been out there for a long time.

Which, was it just like stage play acting, or how did you get into it? Yeah, a lot of stage, community theater, children's, you know, elementary school, then on to high school, a lot of high school plays, directing and everything, all of the above. Did you, I thought, I don't know if it was early on or later, did you get involved in like the improv scene? Yeah, I was in the, it's very famous now, the Groundling Theater, where I was in it with Lisa Kudrow at the time. Will Ferrell came from it.

Many other, many other people. Kristen Wiig. A lot of people. And Elvira. That's true.

Yeah. Yeah. She's an amazing woman. She's done a lot of stuff in her time. Yes.

In a rock band in Italy. She did all kinds of weird stuff. Yeah, yeah. But I guess, as far as breaking through into film, was it people under the stairs? In terms of film, yes.

That was my first big role. I had done some commercials. I had done some minor guest spots on TV, but that was the first film I ever did. And then, I guess, especially around these parts, that's probably where you're most recognized as. You would be right.

These parts are the roach parts. Hanging around the Roach Motel, I guess. Exactly, yes, exactly. And you never get out. Yeah, much like the commercial, there's no escape for you.

But, again, it's something that you did a really good job with, so I guess you've become okay with him as a character over the years? Oh, yeah. I mean, it was always a great character. There was nothing... I mean, you know, the thing that my family always said, which their big problem with it was, you weren't in it long enough.

Isn't that always the case? That's always the case with every role I've ever had, so... Well, and then what was Wes like as a director? Very mellow, very cool, very nurturing. You knew it was my first film, but.

He's like the guy next door. He's like your neighbor next door. You know, very mellow. Not at all what you would think. So he must be insane when he sleeps.

He's not in person. And then, I mean, again, he's a very iconic character. Where did you get him from as far as character-based? You know, I always had... I had done some comedy work, and then I started working on emotional work at a different kind of acting class.

And the. Fear of playing something like that is that you're just running around screaming i actually played renfield in dracula in high school and i remember my acting high school teacher saying you know he is a human being and so there has to be reasons for him to act this way and have emotion and why he is the way he is and so he had to be a full-rounded character so he had to have heart and and enthusiasm and kind of be a kid that actually had his tongue cut off and lived between the walls. So there had to be, you know, it still had to be a person underneath all that weirdness. Yeah, and you can see a lot of Renfield in there. Yeah, yeah, it is.

It's a very similar character because he's kind of stuck. He's trying to help. He's much more overt than Renfield was. Renfield was trapped by Dracula on one side trying to help people on the other side. Roach was just trying.

To help everybody. He didn't give a shit about them. Yeah. He didn't care. And then to change gears, jump ahead a little bit, just Waterworld.

Waterworld. Thrown in the. Middle of that. I had to know. That was an audition.

I went out there. I got to hang for a week. And the funnest thing was they had us. Do some jet moto stuff they said oh we gotta give you these lessons well i had known how to ride one and so the lessons last about five minutes so then i got an extra two hours of literally just jamming around hawaii dressed like a crazy oil slick person and on a jet skate so it was awesome I. Mean, I guess all of it was shot to the point where you can't see land, so were they taking you out by helicopter?

Not the part I did. They didn't need to. We were just close to land. All they did was kind of just get behind us on the dock. They avoided that. as much as they could because you know the boats screw them up big time it.

I mean it seems like again it's gotten a bad rap over the years but even then it seems like so much of an undertaking just with the technical issues i mean was it. Something you could tell yeah i mean before we got there there had been you know rumors that it was almost going to be shut down yeah but i mean just the warehouse of spraying us down making us look you know oily and putting oil all over our teeth. I mean, it was a lot, a lot of work. So they were under the gun because shooting on water is just really tough. It's very unpredictable.

As I know from Twister, shooting with weather is very hard. Well, that's another one I was going to ask. You were part of that group. What was that shoot like? Well, I mean, you'd wake up every day, and you'd go to the set, and you'd wonder what you're doing that day, because we would have a weatherman on set.

And he would say, okay, this is the place that's cloudy. We've got to go here. And if we had to go there, well, if it had to be a farm, then we had to shoot this scene, or if it was a... You know, Dirt Road, we had to shoot that scene. So you never really knew what was going on.

Everything was based on the weather, because every time they had a clear sky, that meant more money for CGI and ILM, and that's not what they wanted to do. Every sunny day, everybody. Would be like, God damn it! So you really do become, like, real storm chasers. Yeah, we were literally, yeah, the film crew were storm chasers, absolutely.

That's interesting. And is Bill Paxton all right? Yeah, he's fun. He's from Texas, and yeah, he was a lot of fun. He was a lot of fun.

He always seems like something's going on there, and I'm not sure what it is sometimes. Neither did we, necessarily. There are times that you're like, wow, what is going on with this guy? But he's fun. He's a lot of fun.

Another one of our favorites on the show is Idle Hands. How did you get involved in that one? That was a commercial director that I had worked with. I had a big little stretch in the 90s, and I knew Seth Green from before. Just a quick audition in there, and that was.

A lot of fun. I loved that script. I thought it was the funnest script ever. I thought some of the casting was weird. the lead but but i thought not to be mean but i mean seth was amazing and i thought it was all really really fun but i thought and it's funny i worked with jessica alba on never been kissed and then worked on this right after so it's kind of funny watching going wow she's gonna be a big star i. Think stop following me around god me around this chick won't leave me alone yeah exactly Well, then, again, to veer off in a different direction, and I'm sure people are weirded out by the fact that at least two of us on the show are very, probably.

Unhealthily, pleased with Wizards of Waverly Place. Yes, that's a. Huge deal in my world, you know? Being, you know. Supposedly grown-ups.

We're not really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, so I still think it's a really well-put-together show, and yours was one of the more fun episodes ever. Well, there's a lot of pressure on that one because, I mean, my God, I auditioned. It took a week for them to decide.

They went to the networks to go to the very top. I was like, this is a Disney show. Why are you putting this much effort into this? But it was because it's their big Halloween show, and they wanted to make sure it was great, so. And, yeah, I was, you know, on paper, it just said Mantooth in these lines.

They had no idea. They obviously didn't know what they wanted. But, luckily, I went in there and, you know, created something that they liked. And there was that. So it was really fun.

How are the kids there? Everybody was great. Selena took pictures of my family. Nice. The dad ate lunch with us.

I mean, everyone was super nice, super friendly. It was a great set to be on. And I was on it with Danny Roebuck at the time, too. He was a great character actor. And a big horror fan himself.

Yes, he's a huge horror fan. He's actually helping me with my Dorothy 50 years later. Nice. He's... He co-wrote and is going to direct the next installment of Dorothy 50 years later.

That's how much he loves it. Well, that's one I was going to ask about. Is that one of those that came from. That came from Groundlings, actually. That's an old Groundlings sketch that I did years ago.

I loved it, and I left the movie, and everyone was like, oh, it's so amazing, because they had redone it and put it out on screens, and we all wanted to see it on screen. And I said, God, this sucks. She's stuck in this black-and-white world with older... older parents that aren't really her parents and they never said they were going to take care of the dog that like that was if she was cleared up which it wasn't and then bottom line everybody thought she was crazy because she said you you you and you were there and then everyone looks at each other goes sure we were sure you were yeah i'm sure i was i'm sure so you know she that was her destiny to be the crazy lady in town you know so that. Yeah i mean if there was you know skip that return to oz thing if you do come back and check in she's She's going to have a very weird life.

Yeah, she's not going to think, you know, the dusty, shitty, run-down farm is not the backyard you really need to stay in the rest of your life. Yeah, that's true. Go back to Oz. Yeah, go back to Oz, please. Yeah, exactly.

So how did it transfer into you becoming the part more than anything? Well, I just thought, well, I've got to do this. Because we were doing monologues, and so I wrote this monologue, and a friend of mine took me out, and he's like, yeah, you're making it too jokey. Actually, Employee of the Month, the guy who plays my manager, Tim Bagley, he took me out to lunch when we were growling together and said, you've got to make it her. Make it her talking about it.

Don't just make a bunch of jokes. And that was a great note, and I changed it into her just ranting by herself. And then years later, I just knew for posterity I really wanted it on film, and I had the amazing Brandon Trost, who works with Rob Zombie all the time, just shot Seth Rogen's directorial debut, and he's a really. Very talented DP. And we went out and shot it in like 45 minutes because I just knew the monologue, and that was it.

It was really great. Cut it together, so... And is it still short film? Yeah, I mean, it's only two minutes long. So there's something in there, but I haven't figured out which direction I'd get it.

It would be great as an Adult Swim 15-minute. Show, I think, you know, or it could be... It would be hard to do a feature. Yeah, it would be hard to do a feature unless you're the right angle, and there's a couple of angles that are good, so we'll see. Really specific story to make her work.

Yeah, yeah. We'll see. Interesting. And then, I guess, if you've got new stuff, is it Hatchet 3 is the next big one? Hatchet 3 is, I'm finishing up next month.

I'm also doing a new movie called All Saints Eve, which shoots in Pittsburgh. That's happening in two weeks, where I'm one of the leads. And that's from the head DP that did a lot of the Hellraiser movies, Ice Keeps Friday, so... It's pretty exciting stuff. Daniel Harris is back, and Adam's writing this one again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This one promises to be pretty cool, so I can't say more than that. It is a good cast, though. They keep bringing in all the horror favorites. Yeah, yeah.

It should be fun. It should be fun. It should be really fun. And B.J. McDonald is an awesome director.

Really fun. He worked on the other ones. He was the DP for the other two, so he knows the world. Yeah. Adam's really great, so it's going to be one to watch.

And anything else before we cross over into the movie here? No, that's good. I mean, you know, we ran the gamut of my ego. All right. Well, with that, I think we'll take a break here.

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You sure you want to know? If somebody told you I was just your average, ordinary guy, not a care in the world, somebody lied. Truth is, it wasn't always like this. It was a time when life. Was a lot less complicated.

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Here comes Spider-Man. Look out! Welcome back to Movie Meltdown Sofa Theater. This week's Sofa Theater feature is Spider-Man. Maybe not the one you're thinking of.

The year is 2002. The director, Sam Raimi. The plot, according to IMDb, when bitten by a genetically modified spider, a nerdy, shy, and awkward high school student gains spider-like abilities that he eventually must use to fight evil as a superhero after tragedy befalls his family. Spoiler alert? I figure by now you're...

If you don't know that going in, you're in trouble. Yeah, so, you know, if you don't know what happens to Spider-Man, he's been around for a while. Been around for a while. Nothing new. So, yeah, we.

You suggested discussing the Sam Raimi version of Spider-Man in sort of the wake of the new Spider-Man coming out, the amazing Spider-Man that just hit theaters, and then we both went and saw that, so we're going to kind of touch on differences and just sort of do. An overall thing. So. With that, I guess, where do you want to start with the Sam Raimi one? I think, I mean, I think with any movie, you walk out and you say, you know, does it stay with you in any way?

Are you excited about it later on? Is it in your brain in any capacity? And I remember seeing the end of the Sam Raimi one and going, oh, that's such a great ending. You know, like he had to blow her off and... and saying, I am Spider-Man, and then the great sequence at the end of him flying, and I was, you know, and the. Crowd went crazy, but it was really, I think it was fun.

It was just a funner movie. Now, are there things I hate? Do I hate Macy Gray? Yes. Thank you.

It's so lame. Thank you. It's so lame, and I really don't like the... the like new york people on the. Bridge going spider-man's old friend you know leave him alone. Yeah it's horrendous like those parts pretty bad are really really bad but i think in terms of the other stuff it's kind of a perfect film and i think the love story the angst of the love story plays into more of the angst of Him.

Trying to figure out who he is. And, you know, it was just a funner, it's a fun ride. Yeah, it is one, and I think we discussed that not too long ago, like comparing to in that week of the Batman thing where everything became so dark. I mean, this one has a lot of, you know, his life is pretty rough, but at the same time it's still... Because, you know, you go back to the comics and the animated shows, they were all really kind of light about it.

You know, they had fun with it. And they still keep a little of that sense in this movie. Right. Which I think is a good thing. The other thing, yeah, I mean, we were talking about just the way that the dynamic of it works.

I think that is a big difference versus going to see this new one now. If we want to start getting into crossover stuff. Yeah, yeah. I think what works so well about that first one is it is like this... or the Sam Raimi one, is the fact that it really does sort of give you this perfect little, like, origin story. And the thing is, those get worn out, and I think that's part of the problem.

But this one gets right to it, like within that first scene. Yeah, within five minutes, he is a nerd. He's a nerd. He's a nerd. He pines for that girl.

He is an outcast. He's a photographer. We get to meet Harry Osborn and his son immediately. And he's bitten within the first ten minutes, which is genius to me. It's like, let's get there right away.

I think that's what works so well about that one. So tight. It looks tight. It's a very tight, structurally perfect movie. And it gives you, it's one of those, like, you kind of, I mean, everybody sort of knows that anyway, so do you need to drag it out and give the whole backstory on the spider bite and all this stuff where it's like, we know where it's going, just turn him into Spider-Man.

Yeah. And it gives you more time for him to, you know, be swinging around the city, fighting time, you know. And I would say that, you know, if they knew, there's a lot of problems with the new one, and one of them being... That, you know, the original one, it was an escaped spider, never meant to be around anybody. These other ones could have bitten thousands of people in that place.

And if they knew they were so great, why wouldn't they have tried this years ago? And.... And everybody should be bitten by spiders. Plus, someone raised a good point to me recently, he doesn't turn into the whole spider. He doesn't get web abilities, and he could be a fly because he's just sticky.

He's not able to jump really far. He gets bruised really easily. He's kind of half a Spider-Man, which is kind of weird. Which was one of the things I liked that they changed in the Raimi version. Because, again, in the comics and even the series, he always had, like, those cheesy web shooters, and he would always.

Be running out of web fluid. Yeah, yeah. I always thought, I was like, why does he get all the other powers and not webs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It never made sense even in the comic.

Right. If he's Spider-Man, why doesn't he have spider webs, you know? Right, right. So that was the best thing I think they did in that Raimi version, was go ahead and just full-fledged make him Spider-Man. Yeah.

And there's just too many iconic... If you can walk away from a movie and you have iconic things, like with great power comes great responsibility, and that upside-down kissing scene, which I guess the Broadway show ripped off, too. But those are iconic moments in movie history. And that right there, I don't know if I'm going to walk away from this new one with something going, oh, and I love the thing where they... oh, did that fast sequence for the 3D. You know what I mean?

And sorry, but the Sam Raimi one was not made for 3D. So you always have a slant for 3D that you go, ah, but I didn't go to the 3D show. I didn't either. I didn't want to. I didn't want to.

Yeah, I didn't want to either. And it's too, you know, the stuff is so fast and in your face that I think the grace of the, I mean, of course they were trying to up the ante of him fighting which I think they did well, but I thought they went far enough in the Dr. Octopus one. Yeah. And this one was so fast and crazy that it's not like I'm going back to the movie to say, I want to see what I missed in that sequence.

Yeah, almost so fast that it becomes confusing. Again, they're starting to fall into that weird Transformers thing where let's throw so much action and movement at the screen that for a second you're like, wait, what did he just do? Oh, okay, he's back again. Where they never do that with the Raimi one. I mean, it's, again, looking at the effects end of it, you can tell it's all computer animated.

But it's good computer animation. Yeah. And it's one of those you couldn't do it any other way. So you always kind of gave it a pass with the Raimi one. Right.

And looking at this one, it's like, okay, we've had how many years to improve on it? And it's like, number one, I don't think it looks better. Right. And then the more I watched it. I was like, I think it looks a little worse.

Yeah, and why does he take his mask off every 10 seconds? That's a studio note. You know it's a studio note. They're just like, oh, this is our pretty lead. We've got to get that mask off of him.

No, and the right people, you know, his mask was off and he was fighting those guys, but she couldn't see him in the alleyway, in the Raimi version. She couldn't see him. But this guy takes it off for the kid, and he takes it off for the cop, and all the cops see him, and everybody, you know. And when it does come off, it's that one time in the second movie where it's very important that that happened. And they say, you know, and it's a big moment.

You're like, oh, Spider-Man's mask is off. This one, you're like, is he going to have his fucking mask on? Yeah, I was like, does he ever wear the mask? Does he ever wear the mask? And I'm... hated the spandex I get it they're trying to up it it's just too shiny and I don't know and the other thing that's weird about it is he's tall he's gawky looking and Spider-Man to me is like short, stocky, not stocky, but, you know.

He's just a dorky kid. Yeah, he's a dorky kid, but he's got a long, lanky Spider-Man, which is weird to me. That was, I mean, maybe that's not a big deal, but it was to me. I thought it was weird. Well, that's another thing I noticed, like, watching it again, the Raimi one, is, like, how perfect Tobey is for that.

I mean, it's like, was there ever a role he was made for more than Peter Parker? Well, you know, a lot of times, I actually worked with Tobey years ago, and I used to go, wow, he doesn't do anything. He doesn't do anything. He just kind of is there and just full or whatever. And I was kind of excited to see him in this role because he had to do a lot more.

And it was really cool to see him do it. And, you know, quite frankly, I miss J. Jonah Jameson. Oh, yeah. And the whole Daily Bugle thing and taking the pictures.

And, you know, they try to do homages to that. But, you know, and I thought the Osborne thing was much better, much simpler, simpler. And they just left so many things. Where's the Indian guy, you know? Where'd the Indian guy go?

They let him go, and then they just dropped that story. And then, like, what happened to my dad? Like, they just dropped that story, too. He doesn't go in there and go, what happened to my dad? You must know.

He just kind of forgets it. He goes, come back for the sequel. Yeah, well, no. The nice thing is, in the rainy one, it's a perfectly structured... They don't leave a bunch of loose ends.

Everything's very tight and simple and... And I think that's what's really important in good filmmaking is you keep it really tight, you know, and not leave a bunch of loose ends. And, you know, look, it's just a darker version. It's just darker, which is okay. It's darker, but sometimes it's not.

Like, watching it, I was like, it focuses on different things, I think. Yeah. A lot of really dark moments in the Raimi one that I kind of glossed over. When I went back and watched it, I was like, it's... I mean, there's times when you can tell it's Raimi again.

Again, it's a more polished Raimi. It's that, like, you know, the. Gift and, you know. It's the later Raimi when you could see he was getting really pretty polished about his filmmaking. But there's still those moments, like the flashes that Osborn has that's like.

Very Evil Dead. Yeah, yeah. And then the more I went into it, the whole Osborn thing, it's like... It's also a very horrific character. It's not even like a cheesy sci-fi supervillain.

The more you get into it, I'm like, he's Jekyll and Hyde. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the wolfman. He wakes up, he doesn't know what he did. He's killed people.

He feels guilty about it. He's totally like an old-school horror character. Yeah, yeah. And here, it's like we don't have any of that to deal with, really. Yeah.

And again, I think that gave it a lot darker feel to that Raimi one that. Wasn't necessarily even. It's something probably people didn't expect that first time around, that you didn't have to take his character there. Right. But I think that adds something to it.

I liked the sun, you know, Harry Osborn, I liked that. It was really great. I mean, it just had some more emotional. things to it too which i which i really really dug i mean i thought that was really great and sally feels too young and she's still cute too cute yeah she definitely doesn't look. I mean i mean aunt may and the rainy one like that's exactly. Her yeah and i did like i did like i did like in the new one that he had he was a vigilante all he what you know when dennis nary talks about all he's trying to do is be he was that's exactly what he was trying to do he's just trying to get that guy Which I get.

And I like that. And then he turns himself around when he realizes he can save that kid. He's like, wait a minute, I can be more. But they did, you know, and they just glossed him for that. When they're like, oh, unanswered questions makes you stronger.

And I'm like, unanswered questions makes me frustrated. Fuck, I'm sitting in this audience going, why would you introduce so many things and only take care of half of them? Sequel. Yeah, but that's the bummer. Yeah, that's not a good structure to your first movie.

That's not a good structure. Yeah. And they don't have any of that. Yeah, the Raimi one is like, it leaves an open ending where you can, like a comic book, you can continue on to a new chapter. But at least it had closure.

But it closes everything that needs to. It takes care of all those issues. Right. So, I mean, yeah, this one where it just kind of like. And it.

Dropped those things at the very end of the funeral scene with Harry and her kissing him at the end. They left that for the end, but they didn't leave so many big things wide open. The Indian guy's alive somewhere. You know, it's just crazy, so. I definitely agree with you in terms of structuring stuff for a sequel, structuring.

It felt more like a business movie. And you know what? Look, I wasn't into, you know, James Dean, Peter Parker. You know what I mean? The angst-ridden, you know, weepy Peter Parker.

Which, again, is very different than the way Toby plays it. Toby really is just a. And that's what's funny. It's like, he gets powers within the first five minutes. He's still a dork.

Like, he still can't catch the bus. He still can't get the girl. It's like, even with superpowers, he's still screwed. Yeah, yeah. And that's more interesting to me.

Yeah. I think, where this one, I'm just like, well, you're watching him in the beginning, and you're like, well, why doesn't he get the girl? I mean, you look at. Him, and it's like, he's no different than the guy who's supposedly. Picking on him.

And I think, ultimately... Ultimately, I give a shit about the Raimi character's appearance. And that's a taste thing and a casting thing, but I actually cared about those people as opposed to caring about any of the recent cast. I didn't really... like Aunt May that much I mean I love Sally Field but it's like she didn't have anything to do I didn't care I didn't care if they got together or not I didn't I like Emma Stone but I you know she's been in three movies where she's 26 and then all of a sudden we have to swallow she's 17 that was really hard you know. That was the only thing I was going to say.

I do really like Emma Stone in general. Yes, in general. And I think even in this movie. Yeah, she's great. I think she is the best part of this movie.

She's the best part. You're right. She's the best part. And Dennis Leary, I think, is great. Oh, yeah.

But he's not... He's no J. Jonah Jameson. Yeah, he's basically doing what he did on his TV series. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's a professional guy. He's doing his job. It's like it's no different than a fireman, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

But yeah, that's about the only thing I will give the new version is that I think. Emma Stone. The Emma Stone and the dynamic between them, which. The sad part is it doesn't come into play until, like, two-thirds in when they really start having a little, like, once she's in on it, I think it's a really cool dynamic. And I like the chemistry between them.

As much as I'm not big on him, I think those. Two together kind of does something interesting that I wish they'd done more with. Right, right. Yeah, I definitely, you know, that scene in the hallway with them being awkward with each other, they're very well done, and there's definitely stuff to that. I mean.

It's just that he has so many things that he has to carry and is not able to resolve that, you know, that's why he's hunched over and crying like James Dean because it's like, God, writer, write me out of this nightmare. Well, I think even, like, towards the end when there's that little dynamic of she's still kind of in on it, like the secret thing, not to spoil the new one, but, I mean, when he makes that little comment at the very end and you're just like. I hated that. Did you? Okay.

I did, I did. I thought that was just weak. I mean. Just, I mean, just, you know, be a movie. Be a full movie.

Finish your movie. Let that be part of it. Again, it was too many things saying. There's going to be another one. Yeah, it's definitely setting up the next one.

But again, I think just the chemistry there, I liked. And again, probably the Emma Stone part of it made it work. Yeah, Emma Stone made it work. Yeah, exactly. That made it work.

And then her calling out, like, exactly why... she's you know why he's breaking up with her and she knows within a minute. Yeah i was like come on what did you read the script oh wait you did yeah we'll just have the balls to like make it hard on him yeah let. It be hard on him yeah again toby's the hell yeah he sucks at the end but he realizes with great power becomes responsibility and it ties it up perfectly going And that's not always fun. Yeah. And that's hard.

That's hard to do. It's one of those greater good moments. It's like, I have to sacrifice my own personal happiness for what's. Better for the world, you know? It really is a heroic thing that he has to do.

Where this one, it's like, eh. We'll be together next movie. Yeah, we'll be together next movie. I wonder what's coming up next. Yeah, so, I mean, we're in, you agree, right?

Oh, yeah. Sam Raimi won much better. Yeah, much better. And I think, again, going back and re-watching it this time, there's a couple things I noticed. Number one is it does do that origin story so perfectly to the point that all the other movies, because it was 2002, so it was before that big boom came through, and, like, all the other ones started kind of mimicking it, sometimes even specifically.

Looking at it after seeing Kick-Ass, I'm like, I mean, Kick-Ass does an almost shot-for-shot version of, you know, a comedic take on what would really happen is you just get hit by a truck, or somebody stab you, or, you know, it's like. Yeah. Yeah, it's like there's so many good things. And again, they do some really good stuff in Kick-Ass, but the reason that it turns out so good is because they're drawing from this perfect, like, straight version. Right.

And yeah, I think he does this great origin story. Yeah. But like I said, it also does it and gets on with the movie really fast. Watching this new one, my problem is, I'm sitting there, and it's like an hour in, and I'm like, is he still learning how to swing on wedge? Really?

It's a pilot for a TV series. It's not its own movie. It needs to be its own movie. And again, this is before, you know, it was more run by business. It's before they wanted to push the 3D technology.

You know, they're putting in their fail-safes to have a sequel. I think that's why they went the other direction with the more artsy actor and Emma Stone and things like that. And the artsy director. Yeah, and the artsy director. And I get it.

But even they can't offset. The way it felt like. a building of a franchise as opposed to, you know, a movie. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and again, that was Spider-Man before any of that superhero wave took off, so it really could have been a one-off movie if it didn't do that good. I mean, I'm sorry it was going to, but it could have.

Yeah. And, yeah, exactly, exactly, because they left it open just in case, but that's fine. You always leave it just in case. Yeah, yeah. The one thing I will, since we've been sort of giving a lot of love to the Raimi version, Right.

The one thing I will, I mean, even from the first time I sat in the theater and saw it, him in the green. Goblin suit is kind of silly. Yeah, yeah. It's still Power Rangers. Yeah, yeah.

That was a rough part. It was only really rough when they had their scenes together. Yeah, and he was talking, basically. Because there's no mouth, and it does. It looks like somebody's voicing over Power Rangers.

But I think, again, it's like. But they made it work for what was going on. I think he almost realized that, and that's why you get all those really smart scenes where it's him talking to the mask, and you don't have that. So you get more of that crazy aspect. Somebody there?

Somebody. Who said that? Don't play the innocent with me. You've known all along. Follow the cold shiver running down your spine.

I'm right here. I don't understand. Did you think it was coincidence? So many good things all happening for you. All for you, Norman.

What do you want? To say what you want. To do what you can't. To remove those in your way. That's something I originally didn't like, but I did give it a pass after realizing how...

So there's only like three scenes where it really comes into play and he's delivering cheesy lines through the mask. Yeah, exactly. And they did do that test run of like, originally it was going to be more like... by, oh, you know, it was going to be more of a, yeah, there's test footage of him in that where he's actually like Green Goblin and he looks more like the actual one. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I think they just scrapped that and went with the helmet instead, which, they both have issues.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But again, you put Willem Dafoe in there. Yeah, he's great. He's so good. Yeah, he's so good.

He's, I mean, like I said with the Jekyll and Hyde thing, he also becomes sort of. This reluctant villain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's beaten down by these He's crazy, basically. Yeah, he becomes crazy.

Yeah. And he's sad about what he's doing. He hates it. So, in a way, yeah, you don't feel as, you know, you don't hate him as much as you dislike he's doing horrible things and Spider-Man has to stop him. But you see how conflicted he is and how well the quote plays that.

Yeah, yeah. It's well done. It was great, yeah. It was funny. This was just an observation that I think, a weird Hollywood thing, that I think it's funny that they took the very iconic two female leads, they took a girl who was known for being a blonde and made her a redhead, and then they took a girl who was known for being a redhead and made her a blonde.

Yeah. That was weird, and I'm not sure why. Yeah. And I can't really speak to the Gwen Stacy versus MJ, you know, background. I don't really know.

Yeah. But I'll tell you one thing. You don't know. Gwen Stacy is at all, but you knew who MJ was. Yeah.

And you knew who Harry Osborn were a lot better than you did Gwen Stacy. You really don't know who she is. What's important to her or anything. Yeah. And you don't know what her agenda is.

Once you realize she's working on the inside there, you're just like, okay, is she. Connected to what's going on? It's like they were almost laying that out. Maybe they could put that twist in there, and then they... Yeah, it doesn't really...

Well, so far, again, got to come back to the sequel and see where they really go with it, but... The one thing with the Mary Jane thing is, like, she, as a character, she does sort of just fall into what she's supposed to be that first movie. Right. I think it's the second movie, which, again, becomes a much better movie. Right.

Where she sort of breaks out of that. And you really do start to get a feel for her as a person. You start to see more. Of them as a couple. But you also know she had a dream and she was a loser.

It's a loser. Like, she's like, I'm going to prove that I'm not a loser. And then she. who is one still. She is Peter Parker. Dealing with all the same issues she is and comes from that same place.

So you do see they are sort of meant to be together in some sense. Yeah, exactly. Were you listening to that? No. Well, I heard, but I was just taking out the trash.

I guess you can always hear us. Well, everybody shouts. Your aunt and uncle don't. They can scream pretty good sometimes. So where are you going after you graduate?

I, uh. I want to move into the city. And hopefully, uh, get a job as a photographer. Work my way through college. What about you?

Headed for the city, too. Can't wait to get out of here. I want to.... What? Come on.

Try me. I want to. Act. On stage. Really?

Well, that's perfect. You're awesome in all the school plays. Really? Yeah. I cried like a baby when you played Cinderella.

Peter, that was first grade. Well, even so, sometimes. You know people. You can just see what's coming. What do you see coming for you?

I don't know. Whatever it is, Something I never felt before. But they do, she ends up being a much richer character by the second movie. Right. Where maybe that's what will happen with Gwen Stacy, but at this point, yeah, she's just sort of, she's got a good dynamic, but yeah, as a story, you don't know what they're doing with her.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I felt she was the least realized. And I was going to see what your take was on having all these other movies come out since then. Something like, kick-ass that looks at it in a very you know different view.

Yeah like a real yeah i love that movie or. Um or again then as much as kick-ass sort of like flipped it over super one up that i mean super is really hardcore i didn't see super oh man it's i mean it's the same basic idea they're doing with kick-ass but he just pulls no punches like he it is a mean spirited movie at times And so it is almost weird to go back and look at the Raimi one now because it does seem innocent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It really is this wide-eyed comic book movie. Yeah, and I love that.

I think that's really fun. And in a way, that's sort of why I still ended up loving it, going back and re-watching it, because it holds up in that version, that old-school kind of real comic book kind of story. Right. Yeah, it's awesome. You do too much.

You're not Superman, you know. Well, then, I guess, just to kind of wrap up, just to sort of put it in perspective, of all the, like... Because then, this is still the Marvel Universe, and we had that giant wave of, like, Marvel superhero movies. So, I don't know. I mean, how does this fit into that for you?

Well, I mean, Avengers was Joss Whedon. Yeah. I'm sorry, but that's a different. That is a different animal. Yeah.

It's a different level. He's done commercial stuff. He's done it really, really well. And, you know, the Avengers was... what you strike where it's after you know when Bryan Singer did X-Men yeah you want that level where they understand the dynamic of everybody and I mean to juggle all those different characters but he did it so well and kept it simple in terms of, you know, eight bad guys coming from space, you know. But it left us with, I mean, you know, the best of Mark Ruffalo was so great.

Oh, yeah. He's such a good addition to that story. So great. And the Hulk obviously just stole the movie. He does.

But, you know, it was handled much better where this one felt like. I mean, it was a person's touch that we all respect as opposed to, you know, this felt more like a business thing. To me, it just felt more business-y, more like this is the new way to build a franchise. I think they were trying to learn from Christopher Nolan, but Christopher Nolan Lite doesn't work. And I think that's where the Mark Webb went.

I mean, that's the thing. He's a talented director. Yes. Potential what he could do with stuff but to me i think what they didn't do is they didn't stray far enough with the right right it seems so familiar and again i think that's why i'm so bored that first hour or more i'm just like get to it we've seen the origin we know how he gets bit we know how he learns to use his power like again we've already seen that in all these other ones it's like we don't lay down. You're the father thing if you're not going to do anything yeah then let it be an obsession let it be something that drives him and he keeps saying but you knew my father where did he go i mean you know.

So, yeah, I think that's where the new one sort of falls short, is it doesn't do enough. Like, if they're going to do, especially bringing in an arty director like that, if they're going to do something different, skip that origin story. Focus on, you know, he's a relationship kind of director, you know. Focus on that weird Emma Stone thing that he didn't do. Whereas, Raimi just does a cool comic book movie, and that's why it holds up so well.

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And now, Misty. Hello. And Junior here. Hey, what's up? I don't know if we need to discuss the convention in any way.

What's your take on it? It's pretty good. I think it's been going pretty well. My boyfriend got a date with somebody else, apparently. Hell yeah.

Yeah. Was it Patty Mullen? Is that her name? The Frankenhooker? Frankenhooker.

She is ridiculously cute and beautiful and sweet. Very nice. And looks really good. We can't really decide how old she is. We were trying to do the math.

Apparently everybody was wrong when the movie was released. Because apparently everybody thinks it was from the 80s. But according to the internet, it was out in the 1990s. I don't know, but whatever. But either way, she still looks really nice.

She looks good. And she was ridiculously, like, cheery to be there. I know, right? What's up with that? Maybe she doesn't do very many conventions.

Maybe so. And then we saw Tracy Lord's cleavage. Yes. Yes, we did. Which, for her age, is still quite doable, I guess.

Literally, I suppose. I don't know. At first I thought maybe she had weird stuff done recently. But no, I think they're just wasted. I think it's just the presentation on them.

They got, like, a crane in there or something? Sometimes you got to put a little work into it. Some tape? Some hoists? Is there little elves in there, like, hoisting that shit up?

We can go ask her and see. You're in charge of that part. No, I'm kind of afraid. She might, like, throw stuff at me. Maybe so.

But, I mean, for her age, I don't know how old she is. She still looks okay. She looked pretty good. Yeah, she's had a rough life, so I was pleased to see she's looking good and hanging in there. Literally hang it in there.

Or out, depending on. What else? I bought some trading cards. That was pretty exciting. So hopefully I'll have my complete set of Rocketeer cards now, considering the last time I bought like 40 packs and I'm still missing one fucking card.

One fucking card out of the entire fucking set. One card. So if my one card is not in this incomplete box that I have right here beside me, I'm going to be pissed. And then I bought some monsters in my pocket cards. I'm pretty excited about those, too.

I'm excited about trading cards. Misty has a trading card problem, if you will. My problem is I don't have enough. It's very relaxing. It calms my nerves.

Whatever it takes, I'm okay with it. She buys them and sorts them and categorizes them and packages them. Put them in a binder. They have to be in order. The whole process is very...

I'm pretty sure I've already discussed this before, but the whole process... getting the trading cards and putting them in order and putting them in a binder is very therapeutic for me so whatever keeps me from killing everybody else in the world we should all be happy because that's what it's that's what you know trading cards. It's in your best interest jay best best interest and. If i get trading cards that are already in order i make jay shuffle them for me so that i have the joy of putting them in order again because otherwise it's just frustrating. This is what i'm saying there's a problem edward but i mean you're dealing with it you found the most productive way. To deal with it i haven't killed anybody yet.

That's good today The day. It's still early, but. Yeah, we ain't done yet. The day ain't over, bitches. So, as of the last convention we were at, which has only been a week, really, but, you know, we're mixing up episodes, but last time we were at a convention, we were given something, and Misty has taken it upon herself to...

What are we calling your book segment? I Can Read? I Can Read! I Can Read! And it's.

Got pictures. It's not a pop-up book, so I was kind of disappointed in that, but it's a book, and it's got a lot of pictures, and it's got a couple words. So Misty's going to give her take on this piece of literature. It's a fine piece of literature. It is called Bad Off Boris and the Cupcake Cave-In.

I think, let's see, the story is written by Scott Mallory and the art and digital compilation by Robbie Brown. And it's about Boris and he's a cupcake. And the art in here is ridiculously cute. It's all like kind of dark art. But it's in a cupcake land, so it's got like cupcakes and desserts.

And it's got, it's like Boris Karloff if he was a cupcake. Yeah, it's like Frankenstein style Boris Karloff, only his head is like a cupcake. And his best friend is Boris, who looks like Boris Karloff. Bella. Bella Lugosi, I was Boris as the main character.

I'm sorry, I got confused, it's so complex. So, yeah, Bella is Bella Lugosi, and he looks like the Dracula and everything, and he's got a little red cherry on his head, and he's so cute. Because he's also a cupcake. Well, it's a very sad story, but the artwork in here is fantastic. I mean, I do love the art.

It's very... It's creepy. But it's cute. Is that making any sense? It is, actually.

It's almost, like, darker than you would expect for a kid's book, but at the same time, it's like... very uplifting story and, you know, has fun cupcakes and stuff. You didn't read the story at all, did you? I can read. No, you can't. Oh, man.

There's pictures. I looked at the pictures. It's a sad story. Boris, he's pretty badass, and apparently he likes nothing more than to play basketball. Well, then his leg breaks.

I completely laugh. Like, if you're a cupcake, that's a hazard you might have to face in life. It really is a scary picture. His leg's just snapping off. It's like disintegrating in cupcake crumbs or something.

So he's sad. And he goes to get the job at the Cupcake Factory, at the Cupcake Cave, which is where the story, I guess, the climax takes place. But apparently he makes a wish on this bottle, and it gives him apparently this ass-kicking boot. And Boris, he saves the day. He's all like Big John and shit from the Big John song.

Do we need a spoiler alert on this? It's a very uplifting story. And I'd say for the artwork alone, you should at least look at it, because the artwork's fantastic. I love it. That's why I was like, yay, artwork.

And if I could find the website, I would tell you what it was. It's in the book. Hold on. I'm pretty sure it's in here. God damn it.

Oh, the website would be www.blackcloudbooks.com. Or there's another one, too, www.dungeoncomics.net. You should be able to find some information on it on there. But like I said, the artwork alone is pretty damn awesome. So I highly recommend Bad Off Boris and the Cupcake Cave-In because it's pretty fantastic.

And Scott's the one who pawned it off on us. So yay for Scott and your uplifting story of cupcakes and cave-ins and whatnot. So yay. And Robbie Brown did do some fantastic artwork. I'm not going to lie.

I was pretty excited. That's what won me over. I mean, the story's all uplifting if that's what you're into it. I'm not a very uplifting person. We all know.

Yeah, so I mean, i said the story is good if you're it's it's it's a good story it's it's it's got a happy ending if you're into that but here he is kicking some ass look at that pretty damn. Awesome that's a boom it's a boom boom kaboom hell yeah. But uh yeah that's an awesome book so yay for books and it's got pictures and i read. It i can read i can read It would have been better if it had. Been a pop-up book, though.

So send all your pop-up books to Misty. Hell yeah. Dude, that would be awesome. Or any good pop-up book recommendations. That'd be rowdy.

What else? I don't think we have any other stories from this weekend so far. I got a Bo Duke tattoo. That was pretty exciting. Yeah, I guess we can do that.

That's a pretty geeky geek activity. Do you want to go into that? Yeah. I was getting my extra. I'd had an ongoing process.

Mine's just geekery. I don't know. It's pretty geeky, too, though. It's total geekery porn. Oh, my God.

Look at that girl's tattoo right there. It's got an owl on it. That's ridiculously cute. Oh, my God. Speaking of which, so when I was done, I set Misty up with her appointment, and what did you get?

Bodook. A young John Schneider in all his flippy hair glory. He's looking at me right now. He is. It's kind of creepy.

His eyes follow me. He's gorgeous. He's like one of those Jesus pictures where they follow you everywhere you go. That's photos. So yay.

It's pretty awesome. I'm pretty excited. Now Corey has a friend. They hang out. They talk.

They keep me up late at night sometimes. I can imagine this happening. Power Satan and whatnot carrying on. Tell them one with the other ones because they don't see the same thing most of the time. One with one way, one with the other.

So they have to like get their story straight. They are on opposite legs. That will happen, I suppose. I know. That's why I have to cross my legs so they can talk.

I don't really do that because that would just be silly. There's so many reasons you have a problem. Yeah. So, so many. What else?

Do you have anything to share in this episode? No. She likes books. I don't know. You don't have to talk about the book.

Talk about anything in general. Don't take awesome half of it. I went to work. I about melted my ass off. That's not awesome.

No, it's not. It sucks. Put them off this weekend. So, hey, I'm up at the convention. Hanging out at the convention.

Hanging out at the convention. Yeah. You're stalking some cinnabites. What? Stalking some cinnabites.

Yeah. As long as they got flavor crystals. I have seen quite a few awesome outfits. We did see the clown from It. That was pretty awesome because he had balloons.

Wait, what was that guy's comment about it? I don't remember. He knew it. It's not rape if I have balloons. No.

No. That was the t-shirt we saw. You know what's scary? What the fuck? I heard that too.

Something to that effect. I don't remember the first part of it. But yeah. Just certain people's reactions. I think he's somebody who works here, so he's not here for the convention.

So when you get an outsider who doesn't seem to understand what normally goes on with these kind of things, they're just like, oh my god. It's a whole different world for them. They weren't thrusted too voluntarily. It just kind of takes them by surprise. You just come to work at the hotel, and next thing you know, you're surrounded by creepy, creepy people.

Yeah, and us. I included us in that first one. I'm not creepy. I'm not creepy at all. I don't think I am.

Sure. I'm awesome. I scanned a picture of Sean Patrick Flannery, and I'm pretty excited. That was last time. I know that was totally last week, but still, I got my picture of Sean Patrick Flannery.

And I got two pictures, and I don't think his face moved. I'm surprised he had time to take a break from going to the bathroom. Dude, seriously. I wish I could have scammed one with Norman Reedus, too. He was so greasy.

I was in there at the same time he was, one of his 40 or 50 times. Did he wash his hands? Yes, he did, actually. I was very proud of him on that front. Was it Norman Reedus or Sean Patrick Finer?

No, Sean Patrick Finer. Good. I was trying not to look at him too much because it goes against the code when you're, or at least within a certain group of guys in the bathroom. I guess certain guys have different roles. But in general, usually it's, you know, you don't, like, stare at other people.

You should have been taking pictures. That's not cool. Yeah, you don't look over. Hey, what's going on? I like you.

Eye contact in the bathroom leads to very odd situations. Hey, powder, what you got there? Hey, nice cock. This is why I didn't say any of these. I was like, yeah, I'll have to go tell Misty I was in the bathroom with John Patrick Flanagan.

I got my picture taken with him. I did not take any pictures in there. You should have. That would have been awesome. I probably would have posted those on Facebook.

Dude, can we pose? Let's get somebody to stand behind you two at the urinal. And give them thumbs up. That would have been awesome. Two thumbs up.

Oh, crap. I'm trying to. Think of any other awesome stories we had from last weekend since we didn't talk that much during part of it. No, I don't have any. Are there any more awesome stories from this week?

A dick? No. We're going to talk about how much. I'm pretty sure Ace Freed is a dick. Yeah, we're not really thrilled with his pricing on his signatures.

I'm not a Kiss fan in general, so I think it's ridiculous. I mean, $ 30 to sign something, that's at least reasonable, I suppose. That's the way the system works. But then they're going to have like $ 60 for premium items. They determine what's premium.

What the fuck are you to determine what's premium, you asshat? Because you're bringing your own shit, you know? Whenever they can charge more. And then $ 500 goddamn dollars to sign a fucking guitar that you own. Yeah, your own guitar.

It's not like he's selling you a guitar. He's writing his goddamn name on a guitar. He probably could. He works at Guitar Center now, doesn't he? I don't know.

Oh, I didn't see Mink Stoll in there. She might have got the table earlier. I didn't talk to Dick Miller. He was awesome. He's old.

That's what happens. He's like 83. What do you expect? He's hanging in there, man. Telling fun Gremlins facts.

I don't think you heard what I was talking about. I love Gremlins. I love Gizmo. You're an artist, aren't you? I'm an artist.

So yeah, I got to meet Dick Miller. That was fun. That was very cool. Anything else we need to plug? I mean.

I finally finished The Walking Dead 2 and the mom is a stupid whore. Yeah. I can't argue that, actually. She's the worst mom ever. And Daryl's the best part of the show.

That show. Normally we read a few songs. Yeah. Somebody needs to be watching that damn kid. That's all I got to say.

Dude's serious. That kid? No, he's not. He's not in the fucking house. Why is he never, like, why is nobody ever watching that child?

They're both kind of the worst parents. Because nobody cares. Everybody wants him dead. I guess. But really, just kill the mom.

The moms are really annoying. The kid's running a close second, I suppose. That kid. They need a leash for him, I swear. Little monkey shaped ones.

Those are pretty funny. I wanted to beat that kid to death. I was rooting for the zombie down by the creek. I kind of was too. I was like, can we bring Sophia back and trade her out?

Yeah, I like Sophia. She went a little faster. Sophia seemed alright. Let's trade her out for that kid. He gets them in trouble every time.

I know, right? He's a little weenie. If he'd actually fucking shot the zombie down by the fucking creek. Dale would still be around. Dale's getting kind of annoying.

Dale was pretty whiny too, really. But he was the voice of reason that they kind of needed. Nobody likes the voice of reason. No, no, that's why he's dead now. Actually, I think the best, most level-headed, most fucking clearest-minded motherfucker on there is Daryl Dixon.

And that's a goddamn shame. He is the most common-sense, level-headed, to me it seems like, the most easy-to-get-along-with. Yeah, yeah. He's eating squirrels or wearing ear necklaces. He's not crazy.

I'd hang out with him over half of them anyways, as long as he leaves the squirrels at home, you know? I ain't cool with that, but everybody's got their thing, you know? I got trading cards, he's got squirrels, you know? And ears. I'm okay with that.

Even the zombie ears don't bother me that damn much. That's fine. People used to do that in war, you know? It's a zombie war. That's what happens, man.

Or tongs. But yeah, I'd hang out with Daryl. I want to get at him with a washcloth first, because. Hose him down. That bitch is grubby.

Zombie apocalypse. I guess that happened. Everybody, nobody else is that damn dirty. Well, he's dirty. I know.

I clean him up. I get a rag, I spit on it. Like that. That's my cleanest dad. Thanks, squeaky clean later, rubber ducky.

Wow. What? It's kind of greasy. He kind of needs it in real life. No, I'd wash his hair for him.

I'd get him some of that, uh, That, uh... What's that shampoo where you gotta use water? That way I don't have to get him wet. You get that dry shampoo. He's always in the bathroom.

Dude. You wanna try to hold him down? No, not really. I don't know. He seems like he's lost weight.

I could probably take him at this point. You might be able to. You're getting kind of spindly. Aw, there he is on the phone. Yay.

Off track. Alright, I think that should wrap it up. So. We have enjoyed our day here at the Days of the Dead. And thanks to Sean for sitting in with us.

And otherwise, they've got several more. They've spread out quite a bit in this last year. They're going to. Be in, what, Chicago? Chicago.

L.A. Got three or four a year now at least. Is it Atlanta? I think so, yeah. So all of it should be at daysofthedead.net.

Days of the Dead.net. There you go. So, yeah, go check it out. And that should be it. Check out Bad Off Boris and the Cupcake Cave-In.

I'm hoping I got that right because Jay already. Put the book up. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek group.

Thanks for listening. Bye. I can read. Bye. Poor Peter Parker was pitiful Couldn't have been any shyer Mary Jane still wouldn't notice him Even.

If his hair was. On fire. He went to that science lab That mutated spider came down Oh, and now Peter crawls over everyone's walls And he's swinging all over town. La, la, la, la-dee-da-ha La, la, la-dee-da-da-da-da. You're the Spider-Man Sing us a web tonight Cause we're all in the mood for a hero now And there's evildoers to fight.

Now Harry the rich kid's a friend to his Who horns in on Mary Jane But to his great surprise it seems she prefers guys Who can kiss upside down in. The rain. With great power comes great responsibility That's the catchphrase of old Uncle Ben. If you missed it, don't worry, they'll. Say the line Again and again and.

Again Oh, la, la, la, dee, dee, dah La, la, dee, dee, dah, dah, dah. Now Norman's a billionaire scientist Who never had time for his son But then something went screwy And before you knew he was trying to kill everyone. And he's riding around on that glider thing And he's throwing that weird pumpkin bomb Yes, he's wearing that dumb Power Rangers mask But. He's scarier without it on Sling us a web, you're. The Spider-Man Sling us a web tonight Cause you're brave and you're strong and so limber now But where'd you come up with those tights?

It's a pretty sad day at the funeral. Norman Osborn has bitten the dust. And I heard Harry said he wants Spider-Man dead. Ah, but his buddy Pete, he can trust. Oh, and MJ is all hot for Peter now.

Ah, but Peter, he just shuts her down. Mary Jane, don't you cry. You can give it a try. Again, when the sequel comes around. Hola.

Sling us a web, you're the Spider-Man. Sling us a web tonight. Cause we all sure could use us a hero now. We think that you'll do all right. It seems odd because all the movie covers I remember were like faded by the sun.

It just doesn't seem. It seems more like, to me, I remember like maybe mid-80s, late 80s. I'm thinking like 86. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah.

Because I seem to remember that being in the video store. That's weird. By 90, I wasn't really in, you know? I don't know. Maybe like you said.

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