242: The Movie Geek Art Show!

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Provide more cooling in the containment chamber. So, uh, you an artist or something? Uh, yeah. You do paintings or. Yeah, paintings.

Okay, great. What do you paint, mostly? I don't know, just people and fruit and shit. What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian and with me is Fred.

Hi, I'm Fred. And we are coming to you live via digital recording from just outside the Movie Geek Art Show here on Frankfurt Avenue at the wonderful Hilltop Tavern. And joining us is special guest Lindy Liu. Howdy. Who, if you're a keen listener, you'll remember from last year because you were on the zombie episode.

I was. You know nothing about zombies, I'm sure though. Not a bit. Not a thing. No.

You didn't shut down the city yesterday. I did not. I didn't raise the dead. You were not responsible for tying up traffic at all. Anyway.

So you are also a featured artist here amongst the group show. So where did you get your inspiration for your cats? She has done a series of. Horrific cats that are pretty amazing. So, yeah.

They're all cute and blood splattered. They're nice cats. Guess what's the running series title? It's Cat House of Whores, which is a take, obviously, on the Treehouse of Whores. The cat house I went to is not like this at all.

Yeah, I found out later that it's a euphemism for a whorehouse. I thought maybe you knew that. Nope. I'm not real sheltered. I'm not sure how that one got past me.

You seem like you would know your way around the cat house. You would think. I guess not. I don't know. Not a bit.

But you've done four different characters, so I guess give people the rundown. I did Leatherface, and he's in his, like, little outfit with his little blue tie. And he has a mask on. It sort of looks like a baby face instead because a real person's face wouldn't. Fit on a cat.

That'd be ridiculous. So you've killed a baby is what you're saying? He killed a baby. That would be silly. You wouldn't do that.

No, no. A cat wouldn't be able to fit in a person's face. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. And then there's one of Jason Voorhees.

There is Hannibal in the mask and all wrapped up. And then there's Freddy Krueger Kitty, which I think is the most appropriate kitty. I think so. I do like, as I got into it, I was like, oh, it's a cute kitty and it's horribly burned. And it's horribly burned.

I thought it was fun. When I was wood-burning it, I do all wood-burning and watercolor. When I was wood-burning it, I was like, Freddy's burnt. That's redundant. I thought that.

Was John Kales from the Velvet Underground, but that's Jason. Because he used to wear that on stage. Before the movie came out. So I did a bunch of movie slashers and then did some junk. I like that.

That shows range. Odd pop art. We're just going to throw something in random. You know who this guy is, though. You get it.

It's my theme, man. Hopes were dashed. In general? Yeah. In life?

Yeah. Well, we're here having a good time and looking at art, and I. I invent a genre of short film, and then Brian tells me, oh, I guess you're not familiar with that. I'm like, oh, you haven't heard of it. I have to be that jackass that's like, oh, by the way, you're five years too late.

I certainly don't contest the jackass part. Thank you. Lindy has had enough of our nonsense, and she ran away. She's off to paint another cat. I think so.

Inspiration strikes. Inspiration point. You've got to paint a cat in a mask. Horribly burned cat. Disfigured, if you will.

Yeah. Do we need to mention the red hair at this event? Do you need to mention that? Oh, well, you can mention the red hair, but then you also got sidetracked from your dashed hopes. We.

We got distracted when Lindy ran away. I just invented the genre of disappointment porn. It's just it doesn't happen. Guy comes to fix the cable. There's some flirting, but then he fixes the cable.

That's not log jamming if ever I heard it. So then immediately I went, well, that's dangerously close to PG porn. Have you not seen PG porn? No, I haven't seen PG porn. All right.

That is not a variety of porn I'm familiar with. And then I was locked up trying to think of the genius James Gunn who came up with PG porn. And James Gunn is pretty damn talented, I have to say. Yeah. Yeah, he's one of those that hasn't really disappointed, actually, surprisingly.

Like, he's done a lot of weird offbeat things, and yet somehow he's made all of them kind of work. It's hard to take risks and not disappoint anybody. He's an entertaining guy, too. What I've seen of him on the internet, he doesn't seem like a total douchebag. So, you know, you got to like that.

Yeah. So, okay, do you want to go into the red hair, then? I'm just saying, we're watching people walk by covered with red hair. There are mohawks and other red hair things. I was telling somebody earlier that, well, yeah, it's Red Hair Day and looking at them like they were crazy, but I don't know what's going on.

Okay, if I have to guess, this little trolley hop that we're part of is sponsored by a certain liquor company who is known for its cap that is made of red wax. so if I have to stretch my theory here I'm thinking it's tied to them somehow I. Was thinking it was just to create a diversion. It might be nothing throws people off like a red herring yeah that had to happen thanks to you and now I'm the jackass sure yeah Oh, well, we're checking in on the fun activities here. But we do have somewhere that we're going. We're going to wander away from this event and sit down somewhere slightly more quiet and have.

An in-depth artistic discussion. And you're going to be there. Yeah, I'll be there. And we're going to invite a few of the other artists. Are we going back in time or forward in time?

We're just going down the street. Oh, okay. We're going sideways in time. Sideways in time. and we're going to go sit down somewhere else and have a nice discussion. And I'm guessing it might be a lengthy discussion, so we might have to break it up a little bit because we get carried away, as you well know.

So I think this might have to be a come back next week kind of a thing, I would guess anyway. Oh, there's my waitress skulking around. Uh-oh. You better go claim your stuff. Yeah.

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I think as a child, you're always drawing, coloring, and doing crafts, and that is totally normal and seems to be what you do as a kid. And I think kind of the weird tragedy is that when you become an adult, you grow up and lose that. You stop creating. You stop just involving yourself in the joy of coloring and creation and stuff. I just feel like I was lucky enough to never really lose that.

The crossover between skateboarding, graffiti, surfing, maybe like punk, they always were do-it-yourself people. When you come from a culture that's made by kids for kids, you had to do it yourself because there was nobody else doing it. Other people, they figure out their ways to do it, but I have to do this. I have to paint this. Just for myself.

It's communication, like the simplest form. It doesn't have any of the gross trappings of the art world or anything. It's like a kid's tag is a kid's tag. It's skateboarding, man. That's where all of this came from.

It's attracted a lot of, like, heroin addicts and creative people, and a lot of creative heroin addicts. I have the right to be exactly who I am, unadulterated, and bring it to you raw, uncut. And I think, like, nerds are, like, the dispossessed do sort of inherit the creative. To go from being just a regular freak to being a cool freak kind of, it's really nice. You can't tag me as a one thing or another.

You can't tag almost anybody as just. A painter, as just a photographer. We're just artists. You want to see something, you make it. I mean, first and foremost for yourself and your friends, I guess.

Okay, you made the game. Like, this is the game. Are you going to decide, like, you're playing the game or not playing the game? You know, freedom of the press is guaranteed to those who own one. I didn't even know how an art gallery ran, you know, or what.

I didn't even really know that it sold art. And we were pretty stupid and great. You know, awesomely dumb. That's kind of a whirlpool of inspiration. It's like all of such nothing.

I like this. This is what I'm talking about. All right, welcome back to Moving Out Down Sofa Theaters. Now, we've wandered away from the art show, and we're here to do the breakdown on the movie now. So, because we've changed locations, we've, you know, minorly adjusted the people on hand.

So, we'll go ahead and introduce or reintroduce people as we go here. Some of them you may have heard before. You know that Fred guy? Hi, I'm Fred. He's here.

Heya, Fred. I was Sparty Rubble. I'm so happy I got to do that today. Bo, you may remember him. Hello.

And if you were here a few weeks back when we were talking about rewatching movies, you might remember Jen. Hello. And then to bring in people who haven't been here for a whole episode, we'll introduce the new characters here. We have Yoko. Hi.

And Rachel. Hi. Hi. And just about everybody here now is actually involved in art or has been involved in art. And, Beau, you told me you don't claim it.

I don't know. I don't think that's true. Because you were telling me about weird paintings that you did in high school. So I don't think you want to claim those anymore. I think I've seen weird paintings that you did in high school.

I think so. I think you hung one in the bathroom. Didn't you have that thing in your bathroom? Yeah. Anybody who's been to my house, it's like the bathroom is the weird.

Anything weird that I drew. When I was like 14... I just put it up in the bathroom so I wait staring at you as you try to go. And isn't Robert Klein standing in your bathroom or something? Behind the shower curtain?

What was that sound? No, it's those little Halloween ghost things, the battery-operated ghosts. He used to always do that in his stand-up. I assumed he was there. You can probably get him these days.

Or at least my own Charlie Callis. Why don't he's dead? That would be really creepy if he was in your show. I'll take it. But anyway, everyone else has...

I like that. It's like, everybody else does art. Bo draws weird stuff and puts it up in his bathroom for guest people. You're taking it a different way. Everyone else here is real.

Everybody has a thing. I will put me more in your camp because it's been a while since I've done anything short of the Yeti. I am responsible for that Yeti that went to the Himalayas or wherever you were wearing that around. That was at Mount Everest, which was cool because when I had the shirt and one of the Tibetans I was with, he got all excited. He's like, oh, you know the Yeti?

I was like, yeah. And he starts going into all this whole Yeti story and someone else is with us. They're like, well, the Yeti's not real. And this guy was very earnest about how he's like. No, Yeti is real.

Growing up, we had people would raise yak in our village. And then sometimes we would wake up and the yak would be gone. And who's going to take a yak? That's a good question. Because if an animal eats a yak, there's dead yak.

If a person takes a yak, they took it somewhere. But when Yeti takes yak, it's gone. And what else can carry yak but Yeti? And I was like, He makes a legitimate point. This is solid logic here.

I can't argue with this guy. Yeah, Yeti takes a yak. You can kiss that yak goodbye. Wait, that's a move in chess, isn't it? Yeti takes the yak?

Uh-huh. All right. I don't play much, obviously. Then the cheese stands alone. Yeah.

So my artwork has been to Mount Everest, so I'm pretty thrilled with that. Other than that, I'll put myself closer to your camp there, Beau. Yeah, I'm sort of hanging around that camp, too. The Yeti camp? Yeah.

Yeti camp. Yeti camp. The Yeti bathroom camp. Yay, Yeti bathroom. It's good to be in the Yeti camp.

All right, so I guess we can at least start the movie segment. And as with most of our segments about the movie, it may very quickly spiral off. And this one, I think I actually am fine with that because I think with any movie, I think if it's a good movie, I think what it can do is just sort of spark conversation and I think that's sort of what we try to do on the show every week hopefully and I don't know I think in this one you're going to get into such a huge area just dealing with art in general that I'm fine with just going wherever the art discussion takes us so but we'll you know we have tied it to a movie so this week's sofa theater feature is Beautiful Losers the year is 2008 director Aaron Rose and co-directed by our good friend Joshua Leonard who we have had on the show And they plot, according to IMDb, this documentary follows the lives and careers of a collective group of do-it-yourself artists and designers who inadvertently affected the art world.

And spoiler alert? You may ask yourself, can you have a spoiler alert for documentaries and or real life? I think that you can, actually. I think, you know, there's certain things within the context of a film that's probably better to see it beforehand, and even if it existed in the real world, or even if you kind of loosely know, I think sometimes they structure it differently within the context of the film. So, go watch the movie, you know, beforehand.

You've been warned. With that, where would we like to kick things off on this movie? Do you want to just start with the movie itself and then spiral off like we do? Sure. It's actually, I think what it does best is sort of take all these different people and string them together in a very interesting and sort of, it just kind of keeps the flow going, and I'm trying to decide how much of that, because it's sort of directed by two people, and I'm guessing, like, Joshua Leonard was probably brought in way later, because the other, Aaron Rose is one of the artists, and he's the one who sort of founded that little group and created this whole movement.

And I'm assuming a lot of that is just stuff that he shot years and years ago, just on his own, and then probably had no idea that it was going to be a documentary. So I sat there kind of watching it, I guess, especially going back, like I was rewatching some of it earlier today. And I was like, I was trying to decide how much of it was, he gave this older stuff to Joshua and was like, okay, now see what you can do to kind of piece all this together. And it kind of feels like there's moments where it is somebody else coming in and sort of weaving this stuff together. And I don't know what was on it.

It wasn't Banksy. It was not Banksy. No, they didn't give it to Banksy. Cause then it would have been about another character that may or may not exist where I think all these artists actually existed. And that's almost the thing too.

When I was watching this documentary, I felt like there were certain elements of it that I felt like, um, when Banksy or whomever it was. Who made exit through the gift shop, since that all seems to be up in the air. Um, It seemed like to be the type of documentary or theme that he was almost mocking in a way. Because here it's more about the offbeat artists that are being embraced by pop culture. And when it came to Exit to the Gift Shop, it was more of a scathing commentary on that, I felt.

Not necessarily it's a strong antithesis, but you could tell that there were moments within Exit to the Gift Shop where I could see maybe Banksy had seen this prior. And was just, you know, kind of doing a slight little tongue-in-cheek jab at it. Or just documentaries about the art world in general like that. Yeah, that I will say it does do. It is like, I think it's pretty good the way that it's put together.

And I think it, I think the best thing it does is those little, I mean, he does do some interesting shots. Which, again, I'm trying to decide who. And every once in a while I know it's Joshua because he'll be interviewing the other guy. So, I mean, there's those moments where I think it's shot creatively for a documentary, which not everybody does that. They'll just do very static shots and talking heads.

But you'll get, like, the shot where we, like, you're talking to that guy that wears the suit all the time. And he's sitting there and, like, it just starts focusing on his dog digging a hole in the yard. That was probably one of my favorite points in there was watching his dog dig a hole in the yard. And the fact that he stops and, like, bothers to put that in there. Or, like, the.

Like later on when he actually like has the guy, the other co-director, I think, sitting in that doorway and he's interviewing him and the guy walks out and like he just leaves it. And again, it's like it felt like he was making a choice there. So I think there is like some creative stuff that's done and stuff that's done to sort of show that it's, you know, it is the real world and it's not. a weird, you know, it's not just meant to be a documentary. It makes it kind of informal. Yeah.

And, you know, as such, I mean, I feel like, you know, as a viewer, you can connect a little bit more. Because it's more like you're just in on the conversation versus, you know, objectively listening to interviews. Yeah. At least it's how it comes across when they film those in that fashion. I felt closer to the artist just because it was more about their process or them just in mid-process.

And it wasn't just them sitting in the middle of their like cleaned up studio for the moment being like, hey, here I am in front of all my art. So in this way, it was more, it felt more real and. In the moment. They did have a lot of footage of them like doing, either working on art or setting up stuff in a gallery. So it did seem like there was a lot more that, and again, I think it's because that guy running it was shooting a lot of that footage as they went.

So it did feel a little more grounded in an actual working group of artists anyway. Yeah. I don't know. I think that kind of stuff was pretty creative. I mean, you get the shots where he's at the very beginning there where she's playing the banjo and it kind of comes down the tree.

And again, it's a little more creative than a lot of the documentary usual kind of stuff is. So I think that stuff works. I will agree that what it doesn't do, it does still end up being sort of a normal standard documentary. It doesn't ever, and since we already brought up Banksy's movie... that's one of the few that's that, that I think goes above and beyond that and actually does involve the viewer. And it's, it's rare that you get a documentary that does that.

There's, there's a few, but I mean, it's, it's, I don't know if it's just the nature of that one because it's sort of messing with you as you go along as well. And this one is just sort of being earnest and being, you know, straightforward about everything. But, I think that one puts it a little ahead, Exit Through the Gift Shop, because it does actually make you question things a little more. Where this one, if you wanted to, you could just kind of go along for the ride and be like, oh, these artists are all really talented. But I think Exit Through the Gift Shop makes you question things a lot more.

If they wanted it to be different, they could just let Harmony Corrine direct. It versus just be interviewed. That would have made it. far more unusual. The part that I keep remembering about that I'm not sure it would anymore well the part I keep remembering is like for some reason I just love those scenes like harmonies at the end like he's just dancing in a rebel flag shirt and like every time I think about this movie it's like this scene that pops in my brain I don't know I felt like looking and watching all the artists do stuff and this happens to me all the time it's like watching pornography for an artist and then you just immediately want to do art You know what I'm insinuating. But it was very enjoyable for me for that.

I was like, oh, I want to, you know. Just be completely irresponsible and quit my job and only do this from now on and just somehow magically survive. They don't show you that part, how they do that. You know? Well, I mean, they talk about how, I mean, it is one of those, they're trying to show you those steps, but it doesn't come across real like when they're like, and then they just slept on the floor next to their paintings.

Like they work in those little moments of like, oh, and by the way, we didn't eat for 14 years before we actually got famous. Those are the parts that we vote. Yeah, it doesn't really show that, you know, up close and personal. That struggle getting from point A to point B. It keeps it sort of.

Veiled. Yeah, it's like, let's mention it, but yeah, it stays very nice and then cuts to a cool little animation, which again, I really like those. Like, it does keep the movie going. There's a nice momentum to this movie that's just always moving forward to another artist and another like, you know, cut scene of them talking. But, but again, I think it, it does work on that level, but it's, again, it sort of exists in the happy world where artists make lots and lots of money.

Over the rainbow. One day. That's how it goes. I think it's a myth. Damn it, we can't believe that.

We just can't. I might not wake up tomorrow. You can still believe in the myth, but I still think it's a myth. Because you haven't gotten your Pepsi deal is the problem. I'm saying.

That's the problem. I don't want to do that. See, if you do it and retain your creativity. I guess that's something I was going to get to eventually. Anyway, what do you think? about that like i mean you've got that guy who who feels justified in what he's doing like he's like i you know i took these huge jobs and i'm working for major corporations but i still feel like i'm doing my art the way i want to do it i don't know is is there no way to do that without it depends on who.

You are yeah you know if you feel like you can do that and you're doing your thing then who's who's to tell you you're not i don't know uh But I think a lot of people don't feel that way. I think all their peers don't feel that way. That's what I'm thinking. I think that's a common thing, and I think it's really hateful and hurtful, is people trying to stand in the way of an artist for selling out. But it's not fair.

You wouldn't want to work in a department store your whole life. If Pepsi came to me and was like, will you draw one of your obscene drawings for our advertisement? I would be like, yes. I don't care what it is. Yes.

I've said that many times on this show, too. It's like, I'm like, we're always like, we don't have any money to do this. Like, somebody throw an ad in here. And I'm like, if some major company wanted to throw tons of money at us, I'd be like, hell yes, I'd do it. I mean, if anything, I think it.

Also gives you, like, if that becomes the case, a little bit more freedom, too, to an extent. Because if you don't have to worry about You know, how am I going to make ends meet? It's like if you've got that base covered, I would think then you could relax and spend more time just zoning out and doing what you love. There's that. And also, too, sometimes you just need to be given something, kind of like a task to do, and.

Then you perfect. It in that way and that's the part that's yours and that's what a lot of artists have done you know prior to you know well I guess some people say Rembrandt was the first major artist who just did stuff that he wanted to do yeah but Prior to that, everybody was whoring around, doing things for the church. You want a Jesus painting? Yeah. You got a Jesus painting.

Yeah. You want a Last Supper painting? Got this for you. And then you do what you're going to do with it. You tell your story somewhere in there.

I got that. I mean, is that any different than having someone come to you and go, I want to hire you to do this commissioned work? And if you're painting the Sistine Chapel or if you're painting their grandmother... Is that really any different than having Pepsi come to you and go, I want you to do this, you know, poster for us? It might seem like a tangent, but you recall, like, there was that fresco painting in the small old chapel in Spain, you know, the old woman well-meaning, like, repainted, and it looked absolutely absurd.

Yeah, that was beautiful. There was this, I was reading an article, I think it was an NPR article, where they were talking about how, um, that's become a huge boon for that town because no one had ever heard of that town. No one ever went there. And now it's become like this gag internet sensation. Like everyone has to come and see in person how bad it is.

And suddenly it's like this small little chapel has more money than it's ever like dealt with because people are just going in and donating. So yeah, because they feel sorry for it. But now this. Woman, like people were, you know, she, would paint a little bit on her own, which I can't imagine how good it was based on what you see. But apparently, like, she's made, like, you know, a decent amount of money.

Just people buying, like, whatever she's painted. And that goes back to that weird phenomenon thing that especially Banksy features. Her focus is on Exit to the Gift Shop to an extent. But I don't know. It's just, you said church painting.

That popped into mind right away. Well, yeah, that's the thing. I mean. Naturally, when you're struggling because you want to do what you want to do and you want to get paid so you can do it, naturally you resent people for getting paid for doing terrible work. But it's not really up to them.

It's just the market is so fluky what people will throw money at and what they won't. I heard today that the best-selling book ever, in Britain is Fifty Shades of Grey. Take that, Bible. And the Bible is the most stolen book. That seems like somebody's missing the point.

Anyway. No, actually, I have a friend who's a librarian, and he said that's the way the trend follows. People feel entitled to steal Bibles because they feel. They're on a holy mission. Yeah.

I'm missing from God. Yeah, and he says, like the other sections that you cannot keep straight are like anything to do with the occult. Or aliens or something. It's like you straighten that area every goddamn ten minutes. And then it's all messed up again because people have no manners.

They feel like they're. On to something. Or it's aliens. Or Italian agendas. Yeah, I don't have time to reshell books.

Yeah, at the high school. There's aliens. They've actually got a little section in the back where the librarian keeps the books that frequently get stolen. And it's like, you know, they have the Bibles back there along with Stephen King. And, like, any kind of books have anything to do with drugs.

Like, those three. Those are the top three right there. Stephen King, drugs, and the Bible. That's good. That's interesting.

Well, I mean, even. I think the most successful book in the history... That was the BBC when I read it. It said, in the world, in the history. But it's like it's got to be within certain parameters.

And it was in the BBC, and it was like since they've been keeping publishing records, which is probably the last 15 minutes. I don't know when they. I don't know what they're talking... Well, it overshadowed Harry Potter because. The.

Harry Potter sales were all hard book sales, but these included e-books, because that was. Well, and Harry kept splintering off. If there'd been one book, I guess they would keep buying that, but then there would be a new book, and that takes away from your. But then after that, it's like Shakespeare's first folio was like the most valuable book in the world. And the whole history of that is so...

It just shows how weird the market is, because... shakespeare never even bothered to try to he didn't even correct errors in it it was just like. Nothing to him. Uh which is just mind-boggling to think about but then a few people went around and tried to gather it up and sort through it and it wasn't even really that highly regarded until you know 19th century and then people came to and If it hadn't been for a couple of guys traipsing around town trying to gather up the discarded remnants of paper that put those plays together, it would just be nothing. I don't know what point I'm trying to make. I just read a really interesting.

I was kind of waiting for somewhere to pick up, but I was like, man, it's so many roads I can go down. Well, there's this guy, he wrote a really interesting book about the Shakespeare folk, just the whole weird history of what happened with. That, and I read it, so I'm It's on the brain. Yeah. I'm running on about it.

Well, I know we've had that conversation in the past of not even like corporate sellout, just like the weird market. Like I've know we've talked about different artists, like even locally, there'll be some artists that will just take off like for no good reason. And there will be a whole little groups of people with loads of money that will just continually buy their stuff and we'll just sort of fuel them for years at a time. And like, sometimes I'll look at it and be like, I don't, I don't get that at all. Like, I just, I don't feel like it's near as good as this person over here who's sitting on a street corner selling their stuff, you know?

I think we talked about how surprised, like, when the Mark Anthony Mulligan, like, that market took off. It, like, it just happened overnight, it felt like. But, I don't know. But Mark Anthony's really good, though. He is.

He's good. He's so good. I sold one of his paintings to Lanford Wilson once. It was a playwright who was in town for Actors Theatre, and he did a, I guess one of his most memorable was Burn This. And there was an old TV show called Hodel Baltimore.

That was based on one of his things. But I was really excited he came in. They called and said, yeah, do you have any folk art? We've got a guy here, Lanford Wilson. I said, oh, I know him.

There's this pause. They're like okay weirdo uh well i. Think they were thinking unemployed actor you know like he's gonna come in i'm gonna be like can you get me a part with malkovich you know but um but it was exciting uh but i think i sold him the university of cheeseburg painting um which with mark anthony you can't figure out does he know he's sort of playing on the University of Hamburg. And you can't tell sometimes how sophisticated he is or isn't. And he just has that big grin.

He's like, oh, I'm just trying to get attention. But yeah, he's really good. And so I think the attention he got was deserved. But there are other artists. There's this.

It's not even just the artists. It's the people who buy stuff. There's a guy who's an heir to a condiment fortune who blows into town. Every now and then, and he buys stuff. Which one do you know?

Yeah, it's the Morton Salt. I was going to evade that. She's the heir to the O'Henry candy bar fortune. It's the same thing, really. He's the Morton Salt guy, and he blows into town.

He goes around and he buys stuff, and you'll hear an artist get excited. Because this guy likes their work, and they think, cool. But then he just buys other random crap. And they go, oh. Because you feel excited somebody gets your work, but then they like something that you're just, what?

Your mortal enemy. But yeah, the irony of the Morton Salt fortune is that the guy has no taste. I get it. Nice. Yeah, and it's always sad because I'll hear somebody say, this guy came into town, he really loves my work, and he bought this painting.

I'm like, oh. Yeah. He just does that. That's a shame. Yeah.

Here's some other stuff he bought. Just to check you for a minute. He's like a personification of, you know, the weirdness of the market. It just hits on what it hits on sometimes. Yeah.

Of course, I mean, it can't be a case of just he likes what he likes. I think, no. That's the thing. I'll work from the other end. You're entitled to like whatever the hell you like.

I'm curious. What's so bad that he's purchased or that he has? Can you even say that without sounding like a jerk? We do that a lot on this show anyway. How public do I want my jerky nature to become?

I don't know. Is he buying like Fortalee paintings? Um, those are awesome. No, actually, um, the first time I met him was in, uh, Oriental rugs. So I can safely discuss that because I don't personally know any of the people.

Who made them. Um, And he would buy these fabulous Tibetan rugs that are made in Nepal by Tibetan refugees. And they're just so classy and so well done. And then he'd just buy some hideous city rug that's busy and ornate and has these grandmother colors. And in rugs, that's the kiss of death.

I'm sure there must be grandmothers who have really good rugs. There have to be. I mean, they're all rugs. Somewhere. But anybody, whatever your grandmother had, that's the rug you don't want.

It's just, if somebody says, it looks like something my grandmother would have. They don't want that rug. Even, I don't know. Some abstract grandma out there. So, yeah, I'm going to be evasive about the stuff he buys that just makes your heart sing.

All right. I'm just curious. I just kind of want to see. It's like a train wreck. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like you could be eclectic. I mean, I hold Cinema Paradiso and Gremlins 2, the new batch, in the same high regard. I agree. Yeah.

I think it's fine to like stuff from different levels. It's not up to me. The point is that the artists are disappointed because he doesn't really follow. He just. What?

They're doing, he just gets this one, and then he gets some other random thing. So you're just saying it's like a blanket impulsiveness to where it's like he doesn't know who could take off, so he gets one from everyone, then the odds of him getting one that might become valuable. You know, there is that thing about the Humana guy, Wendell Cherry. He bought a lot of major artists when they were just starting out, and he just. Bought what he liked.

And it turned out that although he was a founder of Humana, most of his money was made. By his art collection. Which is crazy. I mean, that's like not a good way to plan to make money. Go around buying art you like.

That's not your financial need. Not a sound investment. We're not going to advise you. You ought to go around and... Wouldn't it be cool if.

We could bribe financial planners to tell that lie? Absolutely. Like if artists were a mafia, that's what we'd be doing. I think we need to work on that, actually. A little more muscle in law.

You know what you ought to do? You ought to be telling people. A friend of mine who's been trying to sell art in Louisville for years, he came up with this beautiful commercial that he's never done. And it ought to be out there, so I'm going to tell it here. It was like a 50s-style commercial.

Like a man and a woman. Were having a dinner party, and their friends are there. And they're just clearing the plates in the other room, and they hear the other couple talking and saying, Wow, they seem really nice. And dinner was so nice. But do you notice they don't have any original art?

And you see them in the pantry going. It's great. Yeah, but he never did it. He had like four or five really just fabulous commercials, but who has money to do TV? Art commercials.

Art commercials. Yeah, that's not really where we exist at this point. We're better off bribing financial planning people. I think so. Absolutely.

Muscles, why you weren't moved this business. I mean, that seems more normal to me anyway, really. How many people do you know that have just an entire grouping of one artist... I mean, most people I know that even have original art, which, again, is harder to come by these days. But, I mean, it's, you know, just what they like.

It's a little of this, a little of that. Or, in my case, it's people I know. So everyone I have, I've got, you know, because I can't afford anything else. So it's like I buy what I can along the way, and that's about it. That's the way artists do it.

But for even regular people, I think you just sort of pick up, you know, stuff along the way, and you get this grouping of stuff that, and my feeling is like that, is sort of a good representation of you. It's like if you had one person stuff and that's it, that seems kind of weird to me. But if you've got this eclectic group of stuff, it's like that's a pretty good representation of what you like as an art, you know, as far as art goes, but maybe just as a person. It probably is a pretty good representation. Yeah, those are just the houses where I walk in, like if I'm a guest and I walk around and I see the walls and they're coated with all this stuff, I'm suddenly like, I'm probably too poor to be in this house.

I probably shouldn't be in here. I'm wearing a shirt and tie so I can pretend, but. We all know better. Yeah. They'll smell me out.

They'll smell me out. Polo references, that's what does it. Every time. Well, I do want to go into one thing that they mentioned that I thought was interesting, and certainly people have thought this before, but in the documentary they talk about how Art just sort of happens when you're a kid. It's just what you do night and day sometimes.

I like how they talk about it. There's no encouragement at the adult level to do that, at least for the regular person. If anything, you see a kid sitting around and drawing. It's like, oh, that's cute. And if you see an adult with crowns, it's like, what.

The hell is wrong with this? I know what you mean. They're kind of like, oh, they let you out early. Yeah and then people will avoid it too like i run into so many people and they're like oh i can't draw i'm like well do you try yeah like i just can't draw and it's like well there's nothing wrong with trying you know i sucked at drawing when i first started but i figured it. Out it was a long time for me and i still don't claim i don't suck but at one point i just went i don't care anymore i just want to do something i like.

To draw but i don't like to draw around like other people because i feel like Mostly because my perception is if you're an adult and you're drawing, then the assumption is you know what you're doing. And if someone walks by and is just like, man, it looks like crap. Your face looks like crap now. That's what you do. But again it's that same it's that example that they gave like if you do that with a little kid if you tell them wow that's really great like they just that's it like from that point on but.

At the adult level it's just like that's. A shame nobody does that to adults nobody comes along and is like wow that's good you should do more I was just like oh look at that I don't know it's a weird discouraging thing. I think movies are partly to blame for that because the way movies represent artists is that they're all just genius. They just come out that way. And stuff just comes pouring out of them i really like very few biographies or films about artists because the way it's like the way movies represent intelligence uh which is the essence of that is rain man looking at a dropped box of toothpicks and he can count them and you're a genius yeah he's a genius Or the supernatural, like you're so smart you can make lightning come out of the sky.

How is that connected? Yeah. Or they said in. Powder, he's scoring off the charts. It's like, well, then who the fuck made the charts?

Because if he's smarter than the people that made the charts, he's probably going to get a B because he's going to disagree with them on some things. It's probably the guy that made that Forrest Gump chart. He's a little bit below. The only one I really like is Camille Claudel. I thought it was a really good movie about.

A real artist. I liked Andrei Rublev. I don't know if you've seen that one. Tartofsky. I'm trying to remember if he...

I think he made that before Solaris, the original. But it's like three and a half hours of just short vignettes of what it was like growing up, or just basically living in 15th, 16th century Russia. Yeah. And you don't see him ever working on any sculptures or anything. And you very rarely even see him within the film.

It's basically, you watch it for three and a half hours and you get an idea as to how odd and yet how miserable life would have been in this environment in like the last 15 minutes. It's just all of his work. It goes from black and white to color. And it just makes it such a miraculous thing when you get a feeling as to, you know, what it was like that he went through just on a day-to-day basis or what anyone would go through in a day-to-day basis. And it's like, but this is what came out of it.

It's very interesting. It's not really a biopic, but it's an interesting artist's film. Did you guys see the Henry Darger one? I think it came out in, like, 2008. Oh, yeah.

I like that one a lot. What was that called? It was based off the title of his book, the 15,000-page book he wrote. Yeah, the something.... I can't think of it now.

I'll think of it later. But that was really good. It was a land of magic little dick girls. Yeah. Or something like that.

It was like empire of the land of little dick girls. Right. It was something like that. I love that one. I really love Henry Darger, though.

I feel like he's responsible for the watercolor dick girls in my life. Thank you, Henry Darger. No one will ever understand that you. Until you get your endorsement, do you? Right.

But I don't... I say that, but I don't really have that problem. I do life drawing pretty well. People probably love you. For that.

I'm okay to go draw in public, and I don't mind it. That's never bothered me either. I post my drawings online on Facebook. Like, here's... I know.

I've seen them. We need to be friends. We need to do that together. So I do that same thing. You do?

Yeah. Cool. That's cool. Yeah. But...

I mean, do you think as people who didn't grow out of it, do you feel like that's, is that a setting? Do you think, is it something that everybody is born with that need to create and we just beat it out of certain members of society? Is that, is that what it is? Yeah. Cause everybody, most kids are born with like an amazing imagination.

My mother was so rad. Like she saved every drawing I did and I would throw them away. It was like, You just cue the violins. And she would come out and, like, unwrinkle them and, like, put them on my dresser. Like, don't give up.

Yeah. Don't give up on your dick girls. I could open a small museum of kid art. That's awesome. That's the best kind I feel.

Yeah. I love that stuff so much. You can't emulate it when you get older. No, you can't. It's like that magic is gone.

I think I stayed at that level, actually. It's so beautiful. Most of my stuff still kind of operates like a kid. Your stuff does have kind of that quality. I didn't really graduate out of it.

That brutish. And it's kind of inspiring because it just makes everything seem so full of possibilities. And when you pursue, like, developing a style, you begin to feel trapped in it, and you wish you could do other things. Yeah. Like I'm at the point where like I can draw pretty well, but that's all I can make myself do anymore.

It's, it's very limiting in a way. It's the only thing like sitting down and observing and drawing what's in front of me is the only thing I can make myself focus on long enough to finish it. And even then it's not finished cause I'm not trying to make finished art. I'm just drawing for, you know, the process. How much of it is a process for everyone, I suppose.

But, I mean, how much of it is just it's become what you do versus I liked a lot of the stuff they were saying and the way that they were phrasing it. That, like, how much of it, because so much of theirs came back to, like, angst and anger. And, like, again, a lot of mine came out of sheer frustration. But I'm just, like, I do like that they specifically, like, one of his quotes was, if you're not dispossessed, why make art? I don't know.

Is that part of that? This may sound kind of bitchy of me, but I feel like people that aren't dispossessed usually paint farmhouses. Landscapes. Snowy mountains. Happy little trees.

Peaceful. I don't know about... He's different. Yeah, he's a genius. That's what I thought of when I heard that line.

I don't know if I really agree with that because I don't know everyone and what their reasons or motives are behind art, but I kind of feel like that's... That's what happens sometimes. Maybe that's what, I mean, maybe you just, depending on how you develop, maybe not even artistically, just as a person, maybe the people that level out and have a nice, happy little existence in their head start painting horses. And, you know, everybody else that's still messed up is just grinding something out every week. But is there something wrong with doing horses.

If that's what brings you here? No, not really. Absolutely not. But I think it's a different approach. And I think that's what I've been trying to figure out watching these people because a lot of the stuff that they were showing, they're all very... outsider art and they're a graffiti artist and they're all doing something that's not stuff that you would see behind somebody's sofa a lot of the time.

I guess it depends on where you go. Yeah, I think the thing that's wrong with doing horses is not that you're doing horses, it's that you're doing horses because that's what people do. Well, especially in this town because that's what sells. Yeah, or you're doing it and there's nothing terribly wrong with it, but I think we can feel free to not be interested in it either. You know, you don't have to condemn it, but It's not interesting because there's a difference between people who are making art that comes out of whatever it comes out of and people who are trying to make stuff that looks like art.

But then how do you distinguish between the two? I think I can. I could be wrong. It may be illusion, but it's a vibe. He has a detector that he just puts in front of the paintings.

I just think. It's a vibe you get, and it doesn't mean that it's right, but it's like what makes you interested or not interested. I think you can make that call, but it's one of those everybody gets to make that call. Everybody has to. No, I meant that I get to make that call.

Just you. You judge all art. I mean, I don't. I don't draw as much as I should, but usually all my spare time, like any spare time I get, I'm working on some sort of low-budget film project. For me, the reason I like to do it is because that's how I share my imagination.

That's my number one reason for doing it. It's just a fun medium to do that. I feel like just watching a lot of other low-budget stuff that other people do, I know what you're saying there, where you can kind of tell this is somebody doing something where it's just for the sheer love and. Fun of it. There's heart within it versus.

You watch something and it's like, there's an angle to this. You're doing this to get some sort of name for yourself or to garner attention for some. Reason, shape, or form. It's like, why exactly are you making another zombie film or something like that? I mean, I kind of see what you're.

Going with there. Yeah, and in film, I totally agree. I mean, there's definitely, especially now, it maybe was different pre-video boom because I think before then, it was hard to make a movie. Not that it's not hard now, but, like, think of how, I mean, if impossible it was to get a hold of the equipment and how expensive everything was, I think filmmaking then, you had to love it. You know, even when they were making crap, like, you had to be pretty invested in it.

Where since digital's come along in particular, I think in these last 10 years or so, there's been such a shift that you see a lot of people making stuff because it will sell. Or hoping that it will sell very much so and there's still the mentality that you know it's something that it's not done on you know a younger level because i have the film club at my school that i sponsor and i try to encourage the kids because you know they'll say well i want to you know go to film school when i graduate high school it's like well what have you made it's like well nothing i figure i'll do it then it's like that's like that's like saying if you want to be an art major you're going to wait to start drawing when you graduate high school it's like No, in this day and age, if you've got a few hundred bucks, you can just go to Target, get an.

HD camera, and download a couple programs, and you have a studio in your own room. Yes, that's the thing. I don't know, I guess you're kind of led into the belief that you have to have degrees to do art, and it's a fallacy. Very much so. And it sucks.

It's like the kids think that, but they have to be in film school. Well, especially in drawing. Drawing used to be, viewed more as just a skill set and then the old european universities everybody learned to draw because it was something you did and even the drawings of the artists were just like to organize the stuff they were going to paint or sculpt um and and the idea of drawing as an independent medium is like a weird subcultural thing in the u.s that i was into but Now everybody thinks it's like this magical gift skill that you either have or you don't. Right. And they don't see it as just work like any other kind of work.

You do it, you get better. At it, and some people have some qualities that are good and other people have other qualities that are good. That's one of the few, I mean, I try to work in artists along the way, and one of the few people that said that in previous episodes go back and listen to the first time we talked to Eric Chubb. And that's exactly what he said, who did, you know, all of the concept drawings for Battlestar Galactica and now geeks worship him. But I mean, he's like, it's not, you know, you didn't just get blessed by whatever you believe in.

It's just every day I kept drawing and I kept throwing away that terrible one. About how long he thought it would take you to learn to do it. He had it mapped out and it wasn't that long really it's like if you do it every day if you wanted to learn to draw you'd do that two years you'll be fine it was about two years and I'm like you know you'll be a hell of a lot better I bet so most people just don't do that well it's. Like that book The Outliers and it talks about to be good at something it's the 10,000 hour thing and they talked about the Beatles and how it was them going to Hamburg and playing like all day long and then they came back and they suddenly knew how to play music together I think the same thing is true for drawing or painting.

It's everything. It's a myth that you are gifted. I hate that compliment. Oh, you're gifted. And it insinuates that all the hard work you did was none of your doing.

It was some kind of higher entity blessed you with this. And it also alludes that no one can do this. Except for you, you're some gifted prodigy. And it's total bullshit. If you aren't born gifted, then why are you trying?

Yeah. Right. It's like one or the other. I hate that so much. I mean, that's probably that step that comes in the middle.

Those are all the people that are getting that, and they're getting the, like, you know, you're climbing up trying to have this, you know, this big dream that you have, and people will come along and sort of pull that out from under you and be like, no, you're not gifted, so don't even bother. Right. Those are the people that go get regular jobs and, like, don't bother trying anymore. That's what they were talking about in the documentary, they give up. Because the children are, like, drawing, drawing, drawing, and then there's, like, a filter there, and then they just kind of, like, some people just keep doing it because they just don't care, you know?

Of course. They just love doing it. That's why, to me, one of my favorite movies, I guess, was the original series of uh the office the bbc because it it goes through this this grinding dull and they would film more than in the american version they would just film these little moments of absolute tedium for. A little while you just see people. In an office but when it got to the point uh where Tim gets Dawn, I think was her name, the paint set, spoiler alert, at the Christmas party with a little note that says, never give up.

That's just the most touching and romantic moment in any kind of show like that that I've ever seen. That's just huge. Because, you know, her. Boyfriend is like, it's time to quit doing your little doodles and get a job. Yeah.

He's such an ass. I just want him to die. There's a lot of people like that in the world, actually. Let's start making a list. I actually saw the American version up to the end, and boy, they fucked it up.

It got so fucked up. It went on too long. No show needs to go past about season five, usually. I don't know. It's sad.

It's like old Ali. He was still kind of good, but he, you know. Time to stop. Yeah. There's time to quit, I guess.

I don't know. Maybe there's not. Maybe people just should do what they can do, and we should deal with it. Yeah. I mean, that's...

As long as they're having fun. As long as they're enjoying it. And, like, especially when people are still, like, enjoying it. I mean, people keep showing up for those concerts. I'm like, if he's 70 and people keep showing.

Up, why would he. Like, what's he going to go get a regular job now? He's going to be bagging your groceries? I want to go to Walmart and see him later. Like Keith Richards.

He'd just be curled up in the parking. Lot of Walmart. Well, I always figured if they did something else, they'd be carnies. Oh, yay! You can easily see them being the guy like.

The rock and roll circus. Yeah. You're not really tall enough to get on the ride, but. Keith will let you on. He doesn't care.

He's so irresponsible. He's reckless. He might lock the door. He might not. Have fun.

I don't know, people, that's the thing. Like, I don't understand that either, that people just let, and I mean, feel free to talk smack about them if you want, if you don't like, if you don't like what they do anymore, cause I'll even say that about that specific example, there's a very big difference between what they're doing now versus what they were doing in like the seventies or the early sixties or, you know, like all of that has changed, but I'm like, I don't tell them not to do it. You know, I'm just like, if, if they're still having fun doing it and people are paying them money to do it, I mean, there's no downside for anybody there. Just don't listen to them. You know, just like, don't pay attention to them if that's not your thing.

But, Yeah, I mean, there's so many people I will hear that specific example. They're just like, well, they just stopped. I'm like, why do you care? Why don't you just stop talking? Let people do what the hell they want to do.

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I don't even know. What that means. I can see that. I don't even know what that means. I can see that.

I would call you Mother Goose. Yeah, I don't understand it. It seems alright to me. And I'm not even sure why. I don't know what that means.

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Mother goose. He says, feel free to curse as much as possible. I'm like, you usually don't. We've tried. No worries.

This is like a fairy tale. All right. So we're back and we have our musical entertainment for the evening. So I guess give them your info, band and or individual names, however you'd like to do it. We are the Moonlight Peddlers and I'm Heidi.

This is Chris Fisher over here. Brian. He's afraid of the mic. Leonard. Nick is inside practicing the drums.

No, he said he wanted to eat. He's eating. It's a lie. No. He was so anxiously awaiting the food, he didn't want to come outside.

They said there's still a bunch of tickets ahead. Aside from the food, things have gone pretty well here so far. Pretty well. So, yeah, we're... I don't know.

It's been a good turnout, and you guys are getting ready to play. Yes. So I guess how did the band come together? If we'll take a sidestep into the music here. How did the band come together, short of the long of the short of it, is that Brian and I had a class together.

Not me. I'm Brian. Other Brian. Oh, it's Brian. Brian.

Yes. Oh, is your name Brian? Other Brian. Solidarity of the Brians. Right?

I'm Y. I'm Y. Why? Why? We can operate...

We don't have to occupy... Yeah, we don't have to occupy the same space. It's kind of like the Shiites and the. What are the other ones? The Sunnis and the Shiites?

Muslims? We can learn to get along. It's cool. It's not a deal. It's probably not that intense, but I mean, really.

I'm going to go with the Dark Crystal reference and just Skeksis and, you know. We occupy the same body. Anyway. No, Brian getting off topic. Wait, now you are talking about me.

Okay. Back to the band. So we met, we had a class together. And essentially that's how we hooked up. And then from there we started jamming in the garage with Nick, the drummer.

And then we snagged Chris over here on bass. And then we realized that he had an awesome voice, and so we weren't just a duo anymore singing. We decided to become a trio. And so then with the three-part harmonies, that's become kind of our grabbing sound or what we try and go towards and embrace that area of our musical. Did.

You mention Patrick? And I was getting to Patrick. Patrick, we saved the best for last. You introduced the band. No, no, no, no, no.

Patrick Shoring. We couldn't live without Patrick Shoring, even though he's not here tonight, so we're half dead. But. patrick is our mandolin player lead guitarist he's basically just a prodigy and we love him and so we're only part of the moonlight peddlers tonight but we're gonna make do he's over working at world fest so oh. We don't like the world yeah we lost the sixth member of the band in 19. Chris's beard is gone.

Oh man how can you carry on. It's hard we're gonna try no patrick No Chris's beard. Brian told me to go home and put my beard back on. Yeah. We can get, I'm sure somebody here does special effects.

We can latex you on. Who brought a backup beard? That can be arranged. Backup beard. I'm not someone who really has a backup beard.

Backup beard. I'm sorry to say, yeah, I mean. I'm wearing a fake beard. It's like strapped over his ears. Given our neighborhood, I'm sure that can be arranged here.

Someone's like, hey, let's get a backup beard. And then the girl looks at her boyfriend like, you. Got a backup beard? And she's like, he's like, no, no, no. Don't let him have my backup beard.

It's for me. It's for me. It's for emergencies. Okay, it's for emergencies. It's only for emergencies.

I might need it tonight. Don't do it to him. It's so awkward on a lot of levels. All right, sorry. I'm getting so off topic.

You are like me. So, okay, we focus a lot of the time, although we've done a big crossover into music lately. But just to throw it back to our normal movie thing, are you a big movie person? If I was to be honest, I would have to say I appreciate movies, but I'm not by any stretch a movie buff. This guy here should be on the interview.

But I will say if I stay awake during a movie, it's a good movie. So I am one of those. I can't call you out because I'll go to sleep, and it has nothing to do whether it's good or not. I just get no sleep. If I sit still long enough to watch a movie, it's a good time to take a nap.

Exactly. Exactly. These guys, though, will sit reciting movie quotes, and I am lost. But sometimes I like to get a different perspective, because we'll get our group of hardcore dorks together, and we'll be spouting lines, and then somebody who just sort of grazes the topic will come in and have a totally different take on things. So I kind of appreciate that.

Yeah, and I appreciate that. I'm kind of in... I'm kind of in awe of people who. Are able to be that clever and witty and reciting quotes. So we usually will do some sort of rundown of stuff we've seen.

Have you seen any movies lately? Brian, what's your favorite movie? See, to me, that's too huge a question. You're right. I agree.

A movie I like. You're right. Shoot me like a three random at the moment. Twelve Monkeys. What's that?

Twelve Monkeys. Awesome. Actually, we have a fine City of Lost Children movie. Piece of artwork inside that is one of my favorites. 12 Monkeys is a Terry Gilliam movie.

Terry Gilliam, yep, yep. See Brian's cool thing. See how the Brian's here? Let's see. Let's throw another one out.

Dawn of the Dead. Either, really. I'm even a fan of the remake. What was your second one? City of Lost Children.

City of Lost Children. That's Clive Owen, right? No, no, that's Children of Men. Children of Men, that's right. Do you know what the crazy movie they were playing on the screen.

Was a little while ago? Yes, because I put it in. That was awesome. I gotta see it. I was trying to.

Find a good tie-in that we had done an entire episode about. We've done an entire... We probably talked for more than an hour about that movie. What is it? It is called, for you long-time listeners out there, maybe you remember, it's called The Cremators.

It has nothing to do with cremating. It's a fireball, yeah. You'd think it would be. At the time, we assumed it would be some sort of cremator gone mad and he's trapping people and just burning them alive. No, it's a giant orange fireball from space that comes here and just rolls over top of people and leaves behind like a science class skeleton.

It's really bad. That's great. It's really low budget. That's great. Don't you call that bad.

Oh, it's bad. It's epic bad. That's what makes it good. Do you mean. Bad like how Michael Jackson means bad?

I'm okay with that. Who's bad? But it was part of a series I had of the Maria de Aragon movies, who nobody. Knows, which is why I did an entire film series on her. Her only real claim to fame is she's in the Greedo costume in Star Wars.

Yeah. For that, like, two seconds that she's on screen. Yeah. And then she made, like, three or. Four other movies that nobody's ever seen, so I did an entire series on her.

Nice. We did an interview with her. I would watch all of them. She's a really interesting and very nice lady, and she's from Canada. That's even better.

They're all nice. They're creepy nice. They are a little bit. I'm telling you they are. No offense to our Canadian listeners, but yeah, a little bit.

You don't realize how not nice people in Louisville are until you go to Canada, and you're like, It freaks you out. You're like, you're almost offended. Like, no, I'm not going to stay at your house. Like, go away. What are you talking about?

Like, you go to a gas station. They're like, you guys are out of town. Do you need a place to stay? And you're like, no, I'm not going to stay at your house. Now you're going into hostile territory.

Hold on a minute. You don't stay over where you don't know. You know what's funny is that it's like, it's so cold up there, but green grass is everywhere. I don't get it. I don't get it.

There's no trash anywhere. We have this theory that they eat trash. And poop green grass. The wonders of Canada. And that's why they're so nice.

Because there's so much to eat all the time. Because they're recycling all day long. I mean, it makes the karma of their life makes them so cool. Absolutely. We love you, Canada.

Am I getting all talk? No, it's perfectly talk. Seems to be our running theme. Oh, wait, it's always our running theme on this show. So, have you watched a movie lately?

Have I watched a movie lately? That's a terrible thing to ask. I know, it's kind of why I like springing it on people. I honestly can't remember the last movie I watched. I was trying to get that alternative take.

I know. I did watch a movie. The last movie that I've seen out of the red box was Flight. Denzel Washington. Do you like drunk Denzel?

Denzel Washington. Super amazing. And I did not fall asleep, so it shows it was amazing. Did it make you want to lay off the sauce? Yes.

Yes. Because there's been a problem. I mean, what I've heard about the band is you've got a problem. Hey, you know what? Denzel's good in that.

Surprisingly, John Goodman was. Good in that. John Goodman was so good. I've heard he's really good, yeah. I was expecting him to suck in that, but he was good in it.

He was really good. John Goodman's usually pretty good. He just gets hit and miss roles. Absolutely. Sometimes they're amazing.

He was amazing in that one. When he delivers, he knocks it out of the park. Walter is his all-time. Let's be honest. Let's watch that.

Big Lebowski. Yes, it's all the time. I don't know. I mean, have you seen Raising Arizona? Of course, yeah, yeah.

He's pretty epic in that, too. Absolutely, absolutely. I don't know anybody that can quote Raising Arizona as much as they can quote Walter from Big Lebowski. Yeah, but Big Lebowski is overdone, especially in our town. You know, the fact that.

It's overdone doesn't keep me from loving the hell. Out of it. See, that's the thing. I have to draw the line, and I have to be like, the fact that it gets way too much press and attention in our town doesn't stop it from being a great movie. It legitimately is.

But, again, doing things the way I did. We went to Lebowski Fest and did a special episode and talked about Raising Arizona. Nice, nice. We spent the entire episode talking about that. They're all Coen Brothers movies.

Yeah, I was like, let's just go a different way. I don't want to hit the nail squarely on the head. John Goodman is awesome in Coen Brothers movies. Let's just put it that way. In most movies.

Cyclops in O Brother was okay. He's still pretty entertaining. He's all right. Let's talk about Barton Fink. It was good.

Can't go wrong. I'm a fan. Oh, look, it's Marlena. Say hello. Marlena.

Hello. I like that name, Marlena. Thank you. What's your favorite movie, Marlena? Ghost World.

What is it? Ghost World. Ghost World? I'm not surprised by that. I knew that.

I like your shoes, Marlena. Thank you. They're orthopedic shoes. You're cute. And an old lady.

Would you like to tell us what you've seen lately? I watched Carnival again. Not a movie, but it is excellent. Yeah. I keep having weird nightmares about it.

I have so many Marlena moments to share with you. I have a walking, talking Marlena moment. She has her own theme. With me. He's inside somewhere.

It's funny. It's a long story. Which is how all of her stuff works. Yeah. But once I met this guy who worked on the street for me, and then we, like, have everything in common, and then I was like, hey.

Why don't you live with me? And he does now, and it's really weird. And that's been another Marlena moment. That sounds awesome. Sometimes it's really awesome.

Don't ruin it for me. Let me just go get it out of my mind. That sounds awesome. Yeah. First the fireball space.

Movie now this no but she thinks we were just going into the wonders of Canada which we do a lot on this show at the end. Of we just had our fingers crossed that you were Canadian as you. Were walking up we were hoping I mean I would have health insurance right now. If I was Canadian join the club yeah he's around somewhere but uh yeah don't ever meet someone and then be like hey be. My roommate sometimes I randomly meet people on the internet That's scary, too.

Yeah. Yeah. That is. We got a cat today, though. On purpose?

Yeah. It's a dwarf kitten. We haven't named it because we don't know if it's a boy or a girl, but if it's a boy, it's named Basil. You can still name her Basil, and you can call her Basil if it's a girl. Yeah.

He can't say Basil. Basil. The cat you're talking about, right? Cat won't talk to me. He's too good for me?

Come on. Yeah. But he's real tiny, and... It's really cute. I feel like I've watched movies like crazy lately and I can't think of any.

God damn, this is really difficult. It's like when you're at a touch change jukebox and you're trying to think of a song that you like and you suddenly can't remember any type of music you've ever listened to in your whole life. I know that. I hate that moment. Then you just look for your own music on there.

Is it not on the jukebox? Is that what you're telling me? You guys have not broke through into the jukebox land? No. She's our musical entertainment.

Oh, cool. Do you want to teach people how to play accordion? Yes. I've cut everyone else out of the band, by the way. You're our musical entertainment.

They wandered off, so tough luck. Nick's on the stage by himself. It's just the drummer. He's just out there eating, though. I mean, everybody's watching him eat.

It's kind of creepy. I'm not sure which is more creepy. They're both a little creepy. I have two. accordions, and I don't know how to play either one of them. Aren't they in tables now?

Just the fact you have them. They are in tables now. Are they? That's genius. I mean, they're in boxes, and they sit beside a chair, and there's books on top of them.

That's cool, Marlena. And that's been another Marlena. Do you give accordion lessons? I do not. Busy Ants?

Busy Needs? On Bardstown Road? There's a very nice man in there, and he does. I'm pretty sure. I know he fixes them.

Maybe I'm misquoting this fact. I'll have to go there. But you should ask him, too, because I bet he'd love to. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. I'm going to go find my roommate, and I'll be right out. Thank you, Marlena. We're wrapping up, but thank you for joining us. After this weird person that's been stalking me, do you need to come talk or something?

Yeah. I can give you the microphone because I think the musical entertainment. Is about to begin. Well, before that happens, go ahead and tell people where to find you. Find us?

Your band. Our band. Not those other guys. You can find us at the Hilltop Tavern on Frankfurt Avenue. We're about to start.

After today. After today. You can look for us on Facebook.com slash Moonlight Peddlers. We're on YouTube and Reverb Nation. And they play us on 91.9.

Maybe you've heard of One Shot. It's on the internet. On the internet. Even in Canada, they can listen to it. Even in Canada, yeah.

That's true. Yeah, stream it live, 91.9 WFPK. Well, thank you for joining us. Absolutely. And thank you for playing.

Absolutely. And we'll work in some of your music onto the show. Awesome. Thank you, Brian. Thank you.

Pleasure. You too. Thank you. Gonna leave my home. And get through Gonna leave my home.

And go Okay, I. Think we're going to go out with one from the album. Which one should we go with? Play the first track, Oh Barbara. Play that song.

Okay. So we are going with Oh Barbara. We're happy with that song, yeah, yeah. We're happy with all of them, but that seems to be the one everybody likes to dance to, so yeah. All right, we are out of here with O'Barbara from the Moonlight Peddlers.

Thank you once again for playing tonight. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.

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