253: Abusing the Movies

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Million kilowatts of power. What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and we. Are back this week with a continuation of. Our discussion on changing technology and how it affects fandom.

Now, hopefully you were listening last episode, and if not, go back and listen to the conversation begin in episode 252. There you'll hear how it all begins and what we've already covered on this topic. And as we get back into this conversation, I will remind you of who we have on hand. Of course, I am there holding down the fort. With me is Dave, who has recently been dubbed Posh Dave.

Along with him, Marlena, Lucy, and Greg from our usual crew. And joining us once again are the guys from Tower Technobabble, Ben and Dave. The other Dave. The Conduit is what they call him on their show. So anyway, we are all hanging out at the theater.

Once again, we are actually at Baxter Avenue Theaters, and it's interesting because this time we, you know, we cross over and part of what we end up talking about is people moving away from the theaters and how the old theater system died, basically, and The toll that it took on movie geeks. And it gets kind of serious here as Dave remembers how important that theater was to him. So we'll get into that and the general changing technology that we face every day. With that, let's get back into the conversation. Do you think theaters are going to die off?

I mean, there's still a level where, I mean, you know more than anybody, Dave, you dealt with it for years. But I think there's a level for that first run of, opening weekend, that as long as the market still is set up to run that, I think that level will probably be around. You know, there's been a drop, I think, I was just talking about this yesterday, I think 3% of theaters have not been able to make the leap to digital, and so they're gone. That will continue. But at that same time.

Even Village 8 just went digital. We've opened a couple of new ones in this town in a couple of years here. It's always been a cyclical thing, where now, once again, you've got a big theater attached to a mall. Of course, we grew up in the era where all malls had theaters. That was the thing.

They were shit boxes. And then it became uncool, and they got rid of them all, and now it's back. And now it's back, but only it's on a huge scale. And when you're showing movies on a huge scale with stadium seating and in 3D... It's just like the 50s.

They're showing everything in 3D now because it'll bring the younger people in. I think they'll just invent new gimmicks like 3D, I feel like, has brought more people to the theaters lately because you can't watch 3D at. Home, really. It's kept me away. I just think of, like, television or something.

Well, I mean, they went through that. It's slowly going towards home market with 3D TV, but then they'll find something else and they'll back away from it. Yeah, it's like they did that with the old movies when TV came out. Yeah. Audiences stopped coming to the theater as much and they started coming up with cheesy gimmicks.

They had wider screens and you know everything got reduced. First it became air conditioned nobody had air conditioning at home I hate this movie but ah. I think there's always going to be you know the question of theaters people are always going to want to get away from home there's always going to be people like I'm going to go to the movies because. I don't want to be here anymore or. You know whatever I think there's a certain amount of people that I don't drink, so I'm going to go to the movies.

Or something like that. People need to get out. It's not like this, well, I don't have a life. Guess I'll go to the movies. People who drink and people who go to the movies.

You haven't been here during matinee hours where you do have a lot of retirees who are addicts. They're movie addicts. And they're here every day. I've got to tell you, when I go see a movie, I'll usually go to the matinee. It's quiet.

It's older folks who aren't going to make a lot of noise. We have people here who would come in. You see them every day. And they'd sit in them, but they're abusing. They're abusing the movies because they'd sit in a movie for 20 minutes before they realized, oh, I saw this last week.

20 minutes took that long to figure out. You're not really paying attention to any of these. Are you? So it's just like anything that you can consume, you can turn it into. I mean that's what they do at home i'm sure too they turn on the tv and it's there and i mean i do that and i specifically do that with tv because most tv is crap with exceptions but you know most of what's on especially during the day god i'm thankful i'm not home during the day because every once in a while when i am i'm like what is this nonsense like it is terrible so i if i were them i'd get out and go to the movies every day too or Go to the park, for God's sakes.

Go outside. Everything's been so specifically marketed now. So you have big movies marketed to younger people, teens and 20s, going to see spectacle. With collectors, you've got the DVD market and the Blu-ray market and the special edition market, which keeps people buying the same movie over and over. Over and over.

You've got television. You've got streaming. You've got all these different levels, and it's all very, very categorized. People are probably consuming movies bigger than ever, but... What we're used to seeing in theaters, that's changed.

It's totally different on all of the fronts. They found a different way to do it on the home video market, especially with the streaming. There are so many. People that just night and day whatever is on there. I don't.

Which is what I wanted to ask because you mentioned the Netflix streaming thing and the fact that they're going to original programming now. which veers more towards TV, but that's another one of those things that like that line is blurring. Like there's to the point now where it's like, what is a TV series when there's no TVs involved anymore? So it's weird that we don't, we're getting to the point where, especially when quality wise, when you get to the cable networks, where it's like the HBO and Showtime and stuff, they can do whatever they want. You know, they can show violence, they can show nudity, they can show language. So how is it different than a movie?

So it's, it's hard to, it's hard to separate the two as they get, you know, closer to being the same type of thing. But what i what has always been i still record game of thrones on my tape recorder i put it up next to these speakers so i can listen to it later without seeing all the sinful. You know they have audio books you know you can just listen to that guy write his book anyway but no what i was going to ask and this is again the changing of technologies kind of stuff is what i wanted to address and one of them that's just kicked in in these last couple years is is they're making their original programming and they're dropping it all at once. So, I mean, how does that affect? What do you guys think of that idea?

Is it nice to have the convenience of, oh, I can watch it whenever the hell I want, or are we killing that fact that we don't have that weekly thing anymore? We don't have a reason to watch on a weekly agenda, which I guess everybody has scheduling. And nobody can do that anymore. But on top of that, we also are killing that fandom factor, which is, you hang out and you talk about the show. Be like, oh man, did you believe what happened last night?

What do you think is going to happen next week? You can't do that because you're at a different point in the series or they haven't even started watching the series or I finished it two weeks ago, you losers. You get all that stuff on Facebook about no spoilers, please don't tell me. So then you fight about it instead of everybody being on the same page at the same time. I don't know.

What do you think of this dropping the entire series at once idea? It's convenient for me. As long as you don't talk to anyone. It's very convenient for me because I don't watch anything. It's convenient if you have no friends.

It sounds like this. It's like I'm a fan of one thing only, so I'm. Good, I guess. You don't watch anything else? I kind of don't.

I honestly don't because I'm so busy with so many things, doing podcasts and crap. It's like the one thing that it's like my hobby. I'm not. Consumer like I used to be it used to be I'd watch everything on TV I would try to record everything on TV and it's just maybe it's the age that I'm at I just I've kind of got there's these two or three things I'm really big fans of and everything else. And just not well it's changing the industry because it's allowing things that would never be seen or be able to be made before it's given them a place to be made Marvel just announced that they're having four new series on Netflix I think starting in 2015 and And none of these would actually be made if it wasn't for this sort of thing.

No. So in a way, I appreciate, especially like that outlet. I like anywhere that it will give people a place to do their thing. if it will allow you to create whatever it is you want to create that's awesome it is i don't know it's weird how much stuff they're just dumping on the public like i don't know again it is does it get to the point that we take everything for granted that everything is so easily accessible and that we don't care about any of it, that everything just becomes that thing on in the background because it's always something on. In the background. Well, you either don't care anything about it or you start to care too much.

You know, people in Breaking Bad and things like this, which are quality shows, but it's all they want to talk about. They want to talk about The Walking Dead, which I've seen 1.5 episodes of because I was over it in the 80s, folks. You know, it's just, it's okay, but that old fan versus new fan thing comes up where, you know, I just, these kids these days, you know. They just glom onto it. There's a lot of angry old men.

It's a lot. It's a lot with me. I struggle with it. For everybody listening, whenever he said old fan, he pointed at me. Stoking my TARDIS here.

This is going to. Sound like possibly the saddest thing ever, but when I was a kid, I lived in a country. Which country? The Woodford County country. You should say the country.

And I didn't have any friends. I lived out in the middle of nowhere, and I didn't know anyone, and watching television was weirdly comforting to me because I felt like I was doing something simultaneously with everyone else. And so that's always been, and I watch TV all the time as a consequence of that sort of, and I guess it comes back to my idea with like community and the cinematic experience. So for me, like I haven't watched any of these shows because there is still this weird part of me that likes watching something at the same time, like knowing that there's somebody else. It's that communal shared experience.

Yeah. I had a guy I mentioned the other day. I stayed up late, like Halloween week, until like 2 in the morning to watch Psychomania. And the guy's like, well, don't you have a DVR? And I'm like, no, I don't.

Because I like staying up until 2 in the morning to watch Psychomania on TCM with some of the really weird people who are up that late. It's shared. And the only thing that comes close to that is the internet. Do you agree it's live? That's what I was going to say.

In a way, it takes away from the experience of what you're watching, but it is... kind of interesting this new aspect we have where you can be like the live tweeting is what people do but like that's a live event and everyone is experiencing it at that same time and they're commenting on it and they're talking about it that's another new level that's popped up in these last few years that like there's no way we could have conceived of that you know that not only can you be watching the same thing as someone else but be talking to somebody in you know the other side of the country that's watching it. Too to bring it back to doctor who really what is this Do you like Doctor Who? Lucy, you were talking about how you liked watching TV when it was on, because you felt like other people were watching it and it was a community.

And now you don't get that community aspect. There are so many podcasts out there on Doctor Who with the whole premise of the podcast is it's like a first-time viewer watching the show. and then talking about the episode on the podcast. And then people will respond to that podcast, write in, and give their comments on it. I'm sure this is happening on other shows because this is the. Only show I watch.

I don't know. But people will take an old series, and each week they'll watch an episode and talk about it, and people will either write in or call in, and you get that communal experience that way. You basically create your own communal experience. using technology like the podcasting here. There was always a certain thrill that you're not in charge. It's spooling out there and it goes back to the old geek brain where it's like, this may be it.

I think that's why we still listen to the radio. You don't know what's coming next. As opposed to, I've got that. If you listen to QMF, you know what's. Well, nobody listens to it.

You have a 1 in 10 chance of guessing what's in it. But in general, though, it's like, don't you get more excited when you hear a song come on? Even if you own the album, you're just like, oh, man, I love this. And you'll turn it up. If you listen to pop radio, you've heard it 17.

Times that day. Well, that's why you don't listen to them. Like, Wrecking Ball and Blurred Lines are like the only thing they ever play on the radio, ever. Don't listen to that channel. The live experience, though, I mean, one area... and this is not geek at all, but one area in the world that still does is with sports.

Because nobody re-watches sports, a sporting event. Nobody DVRs it and watches it later because it's ruined. You know what the score is. You can't get away from it. And so that's a shared experience that, you know, the guys watch it or the people watch it the night before and they're all the next day talking about it.

And it's a one time, it's never going to happen again. That event is, you know, it's never going to be the same. There are no reruns. And that's kind of pure to me in that at the very least, you know, there's a buildup to it. Hey, it's going to be on.

It's going to be on. And here it is. And whether it's good or bad, it doesn't matter. But it's emotionally effective, especially if you have a stake in whatever team it is. And like I said, unless it's a monumental event, you're never really going to watch it again.

And as far as money-wise, that's the only place that they're getting... real commercial dollars because you have to watch. You can't look away. And if you DVR it, unless you're watching it quasi-live and fast-forwarding through the commercials to catch up, almost all the time you're sitting there watching the live game. You know, something that blends that with scripted entertainment is wrestling. I mean, think about it.

That's not real. There was a time where Dave and I spend a year watching wrestling because, hey, why not? And it's like, I like that reason. And it's like, We never recorded it. We never were like, oh, that one episode, we've got to watch that again.

Each week it was something new, and we knew it was fake and scripted, but we liked watching the little storylines unfold. But for some reason, unlike other shows, I didn't feel a need to own every episode. I mean, it's scripted, but we don't know how it came out. It's scripted, and it's also serialized. So it's like, what's going to happen this week?

Sports and superheroes and... With superpowers. And a soap opera. It's all rolled into one. That's what the beauty of wrestling is.

It's every form of entertainment all together. Well, I think there is like the geek aspect I think will always come back around. And I think, again, like the innovative little kids that we were, they find new ways and new places to do it now. And I still see it popping up. And it's because we have that immediacy and community on the internet but i will see things like again back to the podcasting thing i've seen some that will actually record their show in front of a webcam and then people will actually tune in at a specific time to watch them record the show and then an edited version will come out later anyway but for some reason there will be tons of people in that room watching them record a podcast as they sit in front of microphones like we are right now And I'm like, that is a weird little community that sprung up.

And it's the same people every week. And they sit there in the chat room and they talk. While they're recording, they're making snide comments about what they're saying. Or they're talking about something entirely different. But it's a weird little.

Community that's out there that, again, has found its place. Whether it needs to or not doesn't matter. The geeks always find their place. They start young. I mean, my daughter, she's eight.

She has her own iPod, which is hazardous. Yeah. But. She's a big toy fanatic because she's my daughter. And so she's into Monster High and she's into My Little Pony.

And she's on her iPod watching shows produced by other kids about going out and hunting for dolls. There's all these doll hunting shows. And she knows who they are. This is like the Mommy and Gracie show out of New Jersey. And she tunes in every day to see if anybody found something cool.

It's a community of eight-year-olds. It's like a podcast. And it's like parents and their kids going out hunting for these rare toys. And she'd be there every day. Okay, I found it, and they haven't.

She's really jazzed about it. Is it making her want to own these toys, or does she just like watching the hunt? It's sort of equal measure. I mean, she's a big collector, and that's the one thing she's into. But she wants to do her own play version of it now.

She likes to want to try to. You know, that's interesting, the whole collector thing. Like, I can't download. an exclusive action. Figure with a brand new hat that is only going to have 50 versions of. Until you get that 3D printer.

Yeah, and now the 3D printer is going to come along and ruin all that. Well, I feel like. I like to collect stuff, but, like, the fun of it for me is not, like, ordering it online. It's finding it places. That's what I like to do, you know.

It's like even, like, with vintage clothes and stuff, like, I like going to, like, vintage clothes stores if I'm looking for something specific, but in general, I would rather just go to thrift stores and dig through stuff. That's what's fun to me. It's weird to me that people are collectors, but then they buy a lot of stuff offline, so it just seems like. That's kind of the difference with her. She wants to go out and look.

She knows I can get it on eBay, but she'd rather go every week on a little circle. That's weird for people now. I have that same thing. That first. run of Transformers, the metal die-cast Transformers that came out. Right.

I still have dreams about once a month of going to stores and seeing new ones. Because I would go any chance I could to a store. I would ride my bike to stores, even with my parents not knowing. I didn't have the money to get them. I didn't.

To find them. I saw them. Because they were art. If you go back and look at them now compared to the crap that they put out, it was plastic and cheap and the new stuff, but those were art. metal and they looked like real cars or real planes. And, you know, they brought out a run.

They were toying with me about five years ago. Probably more than close to the 10 years now. Yeah, because it was the 25th anniversary, I think. And the packaging was identical to the originals. Cheap 80s, you know, look to them.

But the cars were the same ones. slightly different, and I had those emotions. I walked into a Toys R Us for other reasons, and it was like a dream. It really was like a dream. And wave after wave of emotions was hitting me. And it was 1984 again, and I can understand that hunt, that you have to go out and look.

And I still, it's almost like a drug. Every now and then I'm like, there's a toy store. Okay, I'll stop in just in case. It's not going to be there. I'm not going to want it.

I'm going to be disappointed by what I find. But it's still, that rush is there. That's how I felt when they filmed those 1968 episodes in Africa. You know, that story about you going to the toy stores and looking for it, it kind of reminds me of bird watchers who, who go out into the forest, and they've all got this specific one that they're trying to find. The pussycat swallowtail.

Yeah. I heard that there was a pussycat swallowtail on this mountain last week. Maybe it'll still be here. And it got the little binoculars. Check that off their list?

Yeah, take that off your list. You saw an actual Megatron right. In the box. That's a very powerful experience, yeah. That's, like, one of my most common, like, recurring happy dreams.

Like, my happiest dream that I ever have is that I, like, walk into a store or I'm at a place and there's a whole bunch of something that I really want and it's really cheap. It's called shoes. You can say it. Sometimes it's shoes. Once in high school, it was a bunch of Cradle of Filth CDs for, like, a dollar each.

I don't know if I tell people that, but all right. How do you know? Yep. Yeah, it's different things, but, I mean, it's just, like, whatever I'm really into at the time. I'm like, I walk into a store, like a yard sale, and there's a whole bunch.

Of it, and it's like, oh, 50 cents! Yeah! It just recently happened to me in real life. We were doing the Halloween episode, and I talked about my Halloween costume. Yeah.

The skeleton playing the clarinet. That was crazy. I guess it was the day before Halloween. I just randomly was on eBay looking for vintage Halloween, and there he was. I hadn't seen it since I was four.

How much was it? Boom. 30 bucks. Did you get it? Yeah.

That's not bad for someone that old. I had it. It was like this little... piece fell into place in my heart. It's like, I have it. You can buy happiness.

I knew it. You can buy it. It's like, we're jumping. And there's not a lot left up there to go in. It's like, this is a major piece.

We're all talking about how we like to have stuff in our hands. And I've got a couple of movies that I bought over iTunes. And I never think about them. I don't think. It's weird.

It's like, yeah, I saw it. Big deal. Or. It's like having the actual DVD in my hand. It's like, I feel like, okay, I found this.

I've got it. But the digital stuff. That I have, it feels like, yeah, I saw it. I don't know. Again, I think that's a geek thing.

It's a generational thing. I'm used to having a solid object. Everything else is ephemeral. You'll get to that where the entire generation that's growing up with your daughter, she probably won't because she's your daughter, but like everyone else. probably won't care. They'll be like, I've got a whole hard drive of that stuff at home.

What are you talking about? Why would I need to go buy anything? I think part of it is that generational thing, but I think even people now, I think it's a geek thing now. Those of us that were hardcore about it before are still going to be hardcore about it. We still love the physical.

Aspect of having this thing and sitting it on a shelf and having dust collect on it. That's what we do. But I think there's a lot of quote-unquote normal people that aren't like us that are just like, I just want to be able to watch it. Or I don't. I could care less about a lot of this stuff.

I'll pick and choose what I want. It's just a very, they just don't care. It's a very lackluster attachment to entertainment, which is different than what we have. Which is average. Yeah, it's what most people, that's why I said, they're the normal people because that's the way most people consume things.

It's just. consumption and they're done and they move on and we don't we're geeks and we attach ourselves to it and we latch on to some three-dimensional version of it and we hold it in our closet late at night. But then that generation will be nostalgic about hard drives and they'll be like well i would much rather watch this on a computer than have it immediately implanted into my brain that's. True that's true you know we we on our last show we were wondering if You know, the whole hipster thing about how, oh, you need to hear music on a vinyl album. It's so much better, so much warmer. Are there movie. hipsters who are like, oh, it looks so much better on video.

There are two documentaries that are circulating right now that are about that very phenomenon. One is called Adjust Your Tracking, The Untold Story of the VHS Collector, and I actually don't know the name of the other one. That's the only one I know about. I would have lost that bet. We were totally making fun of that.

This thing, oh, no one thinks that. It's the same romance. There's a romance to put on a record. There's a mechanical romance to it where you're interactive, and it's the same with VHS because there's little motors, and stuff is getting physically pulled in there. It's not like... digital.

And they know that's not superior from an aesthetics. Standpoint, but they love it. So they're not trying to make the case that, oh, it's the sound, it's so much warmer, blah, blah, blah. There are actually a couple people in the documentary who maintain, even though they know it's not true, that they hold up better than other formats. I don't know if they hold up, but I bet there's somebody that thinks that they look better for that.

Again, when you're watching a bad 80s action movie, there's probably a different look you're going to get from a bad VHS from the 80s than the digital perfect version now. They're going to create a retro market for VHS. There is, actually. If you go to the festivals and stuff, there is, not new stuff, but there is entire, I've seen one or two that are entire booths that. All they have are VHS tapes. all of them.

And I'm like, there's a lot. And they're not cheap either. It is a collector's market. But what's really interesting, in the movie, they talk about it a lot, and I won't go into the movie entirely. I do suggest that everybody sees it.

Is it on Netflix? I don't think it is. We're in fact releasing a DVD. It's only available on DVD. But what they did was they.

Filmed it digitally, and then they transferred it to VHS, and then they re-transferred it digitally. So, yeah. So it's actually kind of amazing. They strained it through a sock. It's interesting because they have...

Basically, these guys made this documentary because they themselves were collectors, and they had met this whole community of collectors on eBay, because I guess it's still a somewhat small community, so when you're bidding against other people, you start being like, well... VHS 1976, that son of a bitch stole, like, whatever that. I hate Exterminator 331. That guy's awesome. So there's rivalries that have sort of started coming up in this world, but I guess there was a movie called Tales from the Quad Ed.

I don't know if anybody is familiar with this film. It's a big part of the documentary. Apparently it is almost unwatchable. It doesn't make any sense. There's nothing good about it except for the fact that like under a hundred copies were made.

And so just by benefit of that fact, somebody decided like, I know I'm going to bid $ 666 for this movie. And then other people start being like, well, wait a minute, why is it getting higher and higher? And I've only seen one copy of that ever. And so it became this thing where the movie wound up going for like 650 bucks. And so it's now the most coveted title.

But then I guess somebody just got the rights and is redistributing them only in limited quantity. There's always a weird sub-market of a sub-market. Do we want to plug the other one? According to the IMDB, the other one is called Rewind This. Okay, I have heard that one.

But no, I was just thinking, somebody was just talking earlier about how they were so excited because it was on the internet again. That's where you meet anybody, you know. But they were talking about how they had found the most rare original 8-bit NES tape. And it wasn't just a game that they didn't make very many of. Well, no, there's a bunch of them that are rare, but this was one that was one of the.

The Power Pad games. It's the track and field. Yeah, track and field. But there was one that they changed the label. The game is exactly the same.

They changed the label on it that it's a different color. Or one of them had a different color, like plastic or something. But I'm like, the game is the same. But there was a subsection of people that were fighting over that. Well, that's like the Beatles record that had the.

The alternative cover. Yeah. There's always, again, for collectors, there's always a market like that. The Boba Fett action figure that says, Revenge of the Jedi. And the one that shot them.

I want that now. That shot the backpack. I had that. My dog chewed it up. But I'm not buying it.

When the movie, what was that with Fred Savage? The Wizard. The Wizard. Came out. I thought you were going to say Little Monsters.

They had a game. They had an actual tournament where kids from Nintendo Power. if you got the high score in certain games or whatever, and sent in like a Polaroid of it, of showing the high score, you were sent a big game that was the wizard game, and you had to play three levels. It was like the first two levels of Mario, and I forget which, it was like three games, and you had to post or take a picture and send through the mail your score, and you were then invited to an actual tournament that they held. And there was like 10 copies of this game. And that's one of the most coveted ones because you had to be already good and not destroy yourself.

Champion of champions. And meanwhile, they buried a gazillion million copies of. The E.T. Video game in the desert because nobody wanted it. You know, I listened to that on NPR.

By the time they got, they were forced to get it out as fast as possible. Yeah, the programmer had six weeks to do it. One programmer had six weeks to do it, which was unheard of. And it resulted in a really crappy game. And now somewhere somebody covets that as a great game.

Because it's so rare. Well, it's so much warmer. You can just feel the bits. How long before they have VCR players for sale at Kohl's that are iPod compatible? Because I saw a record player at Kohl's that was iPod compatible.

And I was like, I just got a Kohl's credit card. I'm going to buy this. But I didn't. They have had those like vintage radios for years that you plug your iPod into. So I guess, I mean, maybe they'll have a.

It turns into a steampunk iPod. You'll have a. Blu-ray player that looks like a VHS tape, but only now it'll be the next whatever the hell takes place in Blu-ray. I tried to buy a DVD player. They don't make those?

What are you, crazy? Yeah, and because I'm like, okay, my entire collection is DVD. I'm not going to go buy a Blu-ray player. Oh, you will. Oh, I know.

And we bought one. I was like, okay, we'll buy a little bit more expensive one. And it is crap. Like, it's worse than my first DVD player. It won't...

Once it gets about 45 minutes into a movie, it starts to skip itself. We're talking brand new movies. And we returned it. I think it might be a Sanyo. And we took it back thinking, okay, this is a bad one.

You know, got another one fresh out of the box. Just the exact same problems. It's just they... They're like forcing you. Is it a Wi-Fi compatible machine?

Probably not. If it's DVD, why would you need it? It does have an HDMI port, which I was happy with that. But that's the thing. Blu-rays are so cheap now, too.

You wouldn't need to. Yeah, they're backwards compatible. Yeah, I know. But that's so much cheaper. It's one of those things I'm like, why am I going to go with it?

You probably paid more for the non-backwards compatible. You say that about the children. My kids... you know, they'll take a. DVD out of the DVD player when they, what's like, oh, I can't believe I've got to get a DVD, you know, when it's not on Netflix or something like that. And they'll take it out and they won't put it back in the thing and they might just stack it up or they don't understand that it can get scratched.

And, you know, I say, well, you know, I don't want to have to go out and buy that again or I don't want to have to, This is ours. Take care of it. We can just watch it on Netflix. It's no big deal to them. If you're trying to find a player that's sturdy, just buy one of those $ 30 Sonys.

I use those for Wonderfest. They never skip, they never bump, and they're only $ 30. It's better to go that route than something that's a little more techy because it's going to be that much pickier about glitches and dirt. The cheap ones at Target are fine. And Target is actually selling ones that are VHS and DVD that cost as much or more than a Blu-ray player.

I bought my dad one because. He wanted to easily be able to record his VHS tapes onto DVD. Can you do that with that player? I can't believe they're still making anything. And he does it all the time because he doesn't want to get rid of them.

He doesn't want to have to go out and buy all. The movies that he's got. I still have a bunch of cassette tapes I need to put on CD. Well, there'll be instances where I'll assume something's on DVD, and then I'll find out it's not, and I got rid of the tape. It's like, oh.

Abel Gantz's Napoleon. I'm going through my Best of the Vogue thing, and it's like, oh, we watched that dozens of times. It's never been on DVD. I toss my tape and it's not worth $ 100. That's a huge part of the documentary.

They talk about how 60% of titles or 70% depending. On who you're talking to were never available on DVD. This is where the downloading starts. That's where a lot of people go. There's a side of that that's bad, but I've said it before.

I think there's a part of that that I'm okay with because I think it keeps titles out. There that would die. Otherwise, if they're not otherwise, if they're not, yeah. I mean, if it's stuff that's gone out of print, if it's stuff that like nobody cares about it, whatever studio used to own it, like just the fact that there are geeks out there passing it around, it's no different than passing VHS tapes back and forth. It's just a way faster, more efficient way to do it now.

But like, there's a level where I think if the thing is dying, otherwise that keeps it around. And that may be the only reason that it'll be like the, the doctor who tapes, you know, it's like, Some geek somewhere. Recorded that next to their video. It's the same thing. Like, I bothered to download this stupid movie that nobody cares about.

But 35 years from now, maybe they'll be like, this is a lost movie and nobody has it. And you've got a hard drive with it on it. And there are definitely filmmakers who encourage that with their own work. Like Trent Harris with the Beaver Trilogy. I mean, Sean Penn apparently is keeping that thing from being released.

And he's like, please, people, send it around. Show your friends. It's out there. It's great. There's a side of that that's not horrible, I feel.

But. It's abused all the time. As easy as it is, as cheap as a gigabyte is these days anyway, I hope that there's eventually some way we could do a library of Congress where we just submit stuff. It'd be easy for someone to just have a supercomputer to store everything. That way, even if it has hardly any value at all, it's still able to go there.

Like a library card, you can just Give a little bit of money to it every year and check out and watch a show. That would be the ideal way. You would think that's where it's going. Well, I mean, even with the digital technology you have, either on your internet or the stupid cable systems all have so much. There's not as much on there, but you think if you give it 10 years for them to improve, I would hope you could get just about anything.

I remember old models of that from way back. Remember the Facets catalog? Oh, yeah. I used to get those. Out of Chicago? which they libraryed everything on VHS.

You could either buy it or rent it, but it was a huge catalog. Rental by mail, that's crazy now to think of that. But they stayed in business for years, providing stuff you couldn't get otherwise. Everything. There's going to be a lack of things going out of print from this point forward because if it's digital, there's no point.

If you can buy a book now, if you've got it on a Kindle, it'll never go out of print because you've always got that file. If that file will always exist, it doesn't take up a lot of room, so it's not like there has to be a printing issue. To have it done. One of my favorite books was out of print for years and years and years. And finally they made a movie out of it and they brought the book back.

I got it on Kindle because it's just always going to be there. It is interesting that that kind of stuff, again, just looking forward 10 or 20 years, I'm like, what. Exactly is going to happen to all that? When everything becomes accessible, when nothing is rare anymore because it's all out there. In the cloud, if you will.

You know what's weird? This may be an old man talking to you. I've lost enough. I've had enough hard drives crash where I feel safer having it on DVD. Well, I mean, just in general, out of print.

I mean, it's always going to be out there because it'll be on hard drives. So it's not like the Doctor Who where there was one print and. They burned it. And now you can back up everything into the universe. So, I mean, you can do that even for your own stuff now.

It's kind of weird just how much. It's the cloud. You can do, yeah. It scares me. I don't trust it.

No, I don't trust it. That's kind of my thing, too. I'd rather hoard DVD drives or something. Just hoard drives in your basement and be the crazy old man in your basement watching stuff on your hard drive. I don't need the cloud.

This is going to make me sound really dumb because I don't know anything about the cloud technology, but I think I heard something on NPR recently. about how it's, yeah, it's like a cloud, but the information is actually stored in a building, like in machines physically, and it's so hot and very hard to cool and very expensive. It's going to explode. So it's just like, yeah, what if that explodes? I'm sure there's other places that have it, but even the cloud thing could technically fail, right? In theory, at least.

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What's part of your problem? You know, you haven't seen enough movies. All of life's. Riddles are answered in the movies. And now, on with the show.

Daisy, Daisy, it's me, your bad turtle. One problem they're going to run into is, and they're running into this in different files, is that as formats change. Old computers are out of date. They have to find old computers that still run these programs. New computers won't run them.

They're too fast or they're out of technology date. So there's files that nobody has anything to open them with. So that's a whole thing. I mean, you can't even, like, use Flash Player on a tablet or, like, an iPhone or an Android phone. Like, you can only use Flash on your computer, so.

I mean, even from, I mean, computers are such a new thing. I mean, nobody had those, certainly not everyone in their house like they did even 20 years ago. But you look. how many times they've upgraded. Somewhere there's a hard floppy disk sitting in a drawer somewhere that I have something on. I don't know what it is.

I can't look at it anymore. But I'll run across them every once in a while. At one time, this was important enough, I saved it. I don't know what the hell it is now. I can't even open it anymore.

There's so many manifestos on 5-inch floppies. I printed all the manifestos. You'll see all those green letters on the screen. If you had a floppy drive, you couldn't open it because I've got nothing to stick a floppy drive into anymore. I remember when computers made squares.

Hey, the computers that we use at work have floppy disk drives. They're from 1990. I think. But it's so much warmer, the information. That's a whole burning computer.

Actually, no, they're 95. It was introduced by Matt. He's like, hey, you want to use Windows? Why first generation iMac because you were going to turn it into a fish tank or something? Well, no, I got it for five bucks because it was awesome.

Okay. But I actually do have one that somebody did turn into kind of a half-assed aquarium. I've got an iMac in my basement. You can get all the information off of it. You can have.

It. Making our point. Exactly. Yeah, that's the sad thing about technology. I have an old...

Like, I guess before iPods were really a thing, I have, like, an old MP3 player with, like, tons of awesome music on it, but it's broken. Like, what am I going to do with it? And, like, I dropped my last iPhone in the toilet. Like, I can't get that stuff off of it. If you have, like, a wobbly table, you just shove it under the leg.

You make use of them the best you can. Yeah, but also, here's another thing that's sad. So, I'm on my friend's phone plan, and he had a phone. He had an extra phone that he at first wasn't going to give me because... He's like, well, it's Vivian's phone.

I was like, she's 11 months old, Andrew. She doesn't need a cell phone. And he was like, well, maybe she should have better Facebook. Why? He's like, there's a game on there that she really likes and annoys at.

But, okay, so. Why does she have a cell phone? Yeah. Jesus. But anyway, so when he gave me this phone, I was like, oh, cool.

Well, it hasn't been that long since I updated my phone on my computer, and I was like, I'll just plug it in. Oh, apparently there's a new version of iTunes that I can't download on my Mac because it's like five years old. Yeah. It's not compatible. So I'm just stuck with all the same apps and crap that was on his phone.

That's why I got rid of iTunes. I don't use it anymore because their last update that I had sucked and it ruined everything. Well, I can't. Even get it. I don't have the right processing system.

You just need to find a really old, lame program on the internet. That's why I think it's so funny that they're sending out messages in space to potential aliens. What if the aliens don't have the right kind of players to play back the message? I don't have this golden phonograph needle. Yeah, they're going to have to go to the hipster aliens.

Hey! Hey, Spock, can we borrow your record player to play this album? Oh, God, you're playing records? Those are so two years ago. You know, like, I think, and this is sort of the subject, but it's interesting that we just assume that other planets are far more intelligent than us.

Like, what if they're really, really, like, way less advanced? What if they're still playing 8-tracks? You're right. They'll worship this thing. We'll send them episodes of Home Improvement.

It's fine. Well, that's just the basic. Insecurity of humanity. It's like, surely everyone's. Better than us.

Everybody's smarter than we are. The thing about radio waves, though, the radio waves that they're getting, the first ones that they'll get, they'll be like, oh, let's just go destroy these people. Because I know they brought, like, one of the strongest broadcasts was one of the speeches by Hitler or. Something like that. Oh, that was in contact.

Oh, that's right. They started beaming Hitler back from the Olympics. It's like, oh, that's what they got. Space Hitler's coming to kill us. Right.

Don't trust Space Hitler. We're just going to have Space Hitlers coming to agree with us. Well, Lucy, I'm kind of curious about something. What do you think would be your last straw that you'd be like, that's it, I'm not going to theaters anymore? What do you think would have to happen?

How bad would it have to get? before your life. What's your breaking point? There would have to be groups of vigilantes with fire machines. What if Spaceman sat next to you every movie? You could be the very last.

Holdout, right? Yeah, I can't imagine that scenario. I mean, there was a time when I felt that way. Okay, so what was your last straw? What was your last straw, Dave?

Working in the business, but also, well, like I said, the death of my holy place. When the boat went down, that was it. That was, like I said, it was more than a theater for me. It was family. I mean, I had my wedding reception there.

I mean, this was a. Place I grew up with. It was an amazing reception. And unfortunately, the death of many of the friends connected with that theater. Five people I know that I spent most of my time with are gone, as well as the space itself.

So it kind of just sealed it. So if I could go back, sure, I'd be there every night. But I can't. So. It's in my past, unfortunately.

I write about it a lot. Have you got a home theater, a home base that you like to go to? Well, the Kentucky Theater in Lexington is amazing. I mean, it's the last palace theater in Lexington. And I'll do a little pitch right now.

We're actually trying to. Raise money for the theater. It needs a huge renovation. So if you go to KentuckyTheater.com, you can click on the Friends of the Kentucky. Is it like an old one screen?

Yeah, well, it's actually two different theaters now. The original Kentucky Theater is, I guess, gosh, just had its 90th birthday. And then the next door, there's the State Theater. So the State Theater used to have a completely separate entrance, but now they've. Sort of combined the two.

It's a beautiful house. It is. It's a gorgeous theater. It's a great old theater. And I think the thing is, you know, it's been a little challenging raising money for it because everybody's under the impression, well, it's the Kentucky Theater.

It's always been here. My grandparents saw movies here. Clearly, nothing's going to ever happen to it. But The fact of the matter is, I mean, downtown Lexington, there used to be five palace theaters on Main Street, and this. Is the last holdout.

Don't ever take that for granted. I never thought I'd see the Vogue shut down, never. But business, you know, one man dies, and then the business collapsed utterly. And it didn't have to. I don't know.

I've wondered forever how that chain of events happened. Like, how is that not protected by somebody? I mean, that was historical, and why. It's been. Long enough, you know, to kind of tell the truth.

I was working here already with Marty Sussman, who was the man who actually turned the Vogue into a repertory art house in the 70s. And for the longest time, he and Henry, the owner of the property, were friends. And then they weren't friends anymore. But there wasn't really any kind of hard competition between the two. But because we were an eightplex and they were a single screen, some distributors would throw stuff our way that that the Vogue wasn't getting.

But also, the Vogue was... What had happened in that last year on the screen was they had a big success. The full Monty. It was always on. Which ran for...

I remember. Eight months. Mm-hmm. Which means Fox was making a lot of money, but the Vogue wasn't necessarily. It was driving away a lot of the patrons.

But again, most people can't even imagine that. They had one screen. They had one screen. That's what was playing at that theater. You also had that factor working against them because they were down to being the last neighborhood theater in the city.

That was it. And that's all they played. Despite the love for the place, despite the renovation they had done in the early 90s, what it came down to was money. And what it turned out was, of course... the property is not owned by the theater company. The property is owned by the Taylor family, Taylor Drugs, and they're into the third or fourth generation who really aren't interested in making money anymore.

They've got it. So they paid for the renovation, not Henry. Henry owned several theaters and several screens around town. Things weren't great. He was taking out loans that nobody knew about.

So when Henry up and dies, the family's hit with a bunch of notices, like, you owe money here, here, here, here. I'd seen Henry's son, John, here several times, and I'm like, is John trying to get us to buy the Vogue, or is he trying to buy us? I knew whatever it was was going to be good, because I would likely be going over there. Turned out he was desperately trying to get us to assume the debt. The debt was larger than these folks were willing to assume.

It wasn't really that big, but they couldn't afford it at the time. This place had just been built, I believe, in a year and a half. Yeah, pretty recent. The owners of the property were not willing to listen to anyone. They just wanted their money.

So I got a call from Carl one afternoon here, and he's like, you might want to come over tonight. Yeah, it was immediate. And then there was another call saying, no, never mind. And then there was another call saying, yeah, you better get over here. And that's how it went down.

Henry did not, not Henry, but John did not want the employees to know. He didn't want anybody to know because the landlord would show up and gut the place immediately. And John wanted to get the place first so he could pay off the debt. Otherwise, it was his house. So we got in there.

We got out what we could, like my help projector and all that material. And we stole a bunch of stuff. But it was going to get thrown out or demolished on top of it. And they took out projection sound and concession. Unceremoniously.

This was the day before I was going on vacation. So it tore my heart out. A lot of crying going on. And. Immediately, people started popping up.

It's like, well, why didn't you let people know? Well, they didn't know they were in financial trouble. They could have easily raised what they needed. Several people approached the owners repeatedly over the next few years, and they were always chased off by rent. The owners kept doubling and tripling the rent, saying, well, it's $ 10, 000 a month for a starting business.

Forget it. Vogue's rent, through most of its history as a rep house, was $ 2, 500 a month. Easy. After the renovation, it was doubled to try to pay off. And then they started doing $ 7, 500, $ 10, 000.

They were chasing anybody away because basically they just wanted to sell the block. That's why it all fell down. That's why Woolworths and all those stores just went to hell. That's why the marquee was falling in on the vote. Why there was no saving the building itself.

And then they finally realized, well, we aren't going to get the $ 3 million we want for this falling down property. And at that point, my heart changed because I think they actually did a good job renovating the block. I'm happy that it's as nice. As it is. It's nice now, but it's just depressing.

Well, it is, and I'm happy the marquee's there. Yeah. And it is the most surreal experience of my life to walk around the block because it's double vision, a lot of ghosts. So it could have been a parking lot, so at least it's still there. The bottom line was just money.

There was debt no one wanted to assume. There were people who generationally didn't want to stay in the movie business, and it was a single screen. Yeah. And there was no way to make it anything else. The business end of it made sense.

I understand them. But just even the historical factor, like nobody could save it. But there was not enough time to start any kind of promotion to save the bug. Yeah. And the same thing had happened to the Uptown down the street here.

Where they serve you a burrito now. Yeah. This place was supposed to be there initially. They were going to build a Baxter in the shell of the uptown. But then the neighborhood.

Pretty correctly pointed out there's no freaking parking around here. Well, it's bad enough at Eastern Parkway and Portstown Road. So that got thrown out. And so there's no vestige there except the facade. So this ended up here.

But it can vanish very quickly. You've got to watch it. There's a theater down the street from our work that was La Rose, and it's like a yoga studio now. But I've never had the opportunity to go inside there, but I just kind of wonder, like, How much is, like if it's just like a big open space or what it's like? You can pull up pictures of what it used to look like.

There's been talk that now that the walking bridge is in and there's more push downtown and they were going to have the river walk down there. They were working on building that. And I think that would have been a really big draw, having some kind of entertainment downtown. Yeah, but at the same time, there's not really a lot of people in Jeffersonville. Like, you can't do, like, a major blockbuster on a one screen theater.

No, but you can do specialty things. I think there's a lot more nostalgia out there than people think. I guess so. They could show, like, Casablanca or something like that. There's a downtown two-screen theater in Madison, Indiana.

Have you guys ever. That was actually, you know, it's the Ohio. The Ohio. Is that any good? I've never been in it, but every time I walk by.

It looks interesting. And I think it's, you know, it's probably on its, looking at the end. Yeah. But, once again, nice old couple to run that place forever. Got to piggyback upstairs and theater downstairs.

He renovated it ten years ago, maybe? Mm-hmm. It's a charming place. It's the right kind of town that's something like that. Yeah.

I love that town. They're up on the hill, too. They've got big houses up there, and Henry actually owns those. But the Ohio's still there, but that's so rare. It's because my wife and I love to go to Madison.

It's the closest to Bedford Falls we've ever found around here, and we just like walking around the downtown. And they're never playing a movie that we're interested. In enough to actually win. Yeah, they're forced to play first-run stuff. It looks so neat from the outside.

I was last in there years and years ago. They showed House of Wax in 3D. We all drove up to see that because it was kind of cool. It was a small house so you could actually see the movie. But I used to make a lot of trips to Lexington just to see movies at the Kentucky because they'd be showing stuff back in the old days like, you know, Multiple Maniacs by John Waters, which didn't even make the vote.

Or Videodrome. I had to drive to Kentucky to see Videodrome because Universal decided Louisville was too stupid to see the movie. Based on some things. It was a midnight show in Lexington. It was surreal.

What year was that? 83. I just don't think there's going to be geeks in the future the way there are now because you don't have to search for that. There's no physical world stuff to do. I think it's just going to change.

Again, I think it's those kids growing up with the internet now, and it's all going to be based through the internet. Or there's going to be some weird retro thing. Again, it will be cool to go out and do something at some weird little. I drove 200 miles to find a guy who had a computer with a flash player on it. Yeah, it will be something weird like that.

We'll make a comeback maybe for that next generation. But I think, I don't know, I think there's an aspect of it that will always survive. I mean, just. based on the fandom you see now it's it's a different kind because they don't have to work for it but it's still there and i think it's still true to them in a sense they don't know any different you know they're growing up in the middle of that so they don't know it's the same thing as people that grew up you know and before television and they're watching us sit there watch reruns all day long and they're like i didn't watch that you kids are stupid so it's like i don't know each generation finds its way to be geeky and. Find their their fandom it's I don't know.

I think there's always an aspect. That will be there. It's just changing massively. Anything else? I think there's so much more to get into, but, you know, hey, we'll just have to come back to it later.

I'm so old that my phone has physical buttons on it. I just want to point that out. He just upgraded from the dial. Dave's has an antenna on it. It's a flip phone, yo.

I didn't have a. Cell phone until. My daughter was born. Until you got your daughter's hand-me-down. You'll notice it's also dead because it won't hold a charge.

Retro technology. This is hilarious. Actually, I used someone's phone like a month ago. That was just like that exact phone. It was crazy.

You know Rocco. Rocco didn't even have a cell phone until three weeks ago. There's still holdouts. That's great. Finally had to get one.

For a long time, I just had a notepad on my door. It's true. People had to write me notes. I remember that. I don't want to be connected.

I stopped by. See you later. Well, I'm still not on Facebook. Yeah, I know. I'd give you hell for it.

Not because I like Facebook, just because it's easy to get a hold of people. That's why we can never get our Bigfoot thing going. I'm not going to listen to you otherwise. That is the only way that you communicate is on Facebook, and I'm not on Facebook. Pretty much.

We try telephoning, Pony Express, writing notes on your door. Facebook. What you should do is you should get somebody that can be the medium, someone that does email and Facebook. What such mythical creature exists? Isn't it called your wife?

She has a clue. She's always on Facebook. And I'm like, he's always on Facebook. The universe would implode on itself if you were on Facebook, Ben. I know, I know.

I'm going to friend your wife and say, this is what Ben should be watching. This is what Ben. I could show Ben this now. It'll just be a hundred messages of, hey, could you tell Ben. Now, as a joke, I got on the MySpace.

Oh, God. JT is, damn it, and he's bringing it back. We had a whole episode of trying to figure out MySpace. It was three actually fairly tech-savvy people were trying to figure out MySpace. It was.

Well, did you want new MySpace or old MySpace? Exactly. We were on new MySpace. I was on the old MySpace when I checked in. They were all logging on to classic MySpace, and it was just like, oh.

There's a new and a classic MySpace. That's a problem. I don't really know how to work new MySpace. I tried. I mean, that's the one thing.

It's just little interconnected circles. It's just big ads for music. I mean, not that MySpace wasn't always kind of about music, but. I feel like. You know, the point where your parents and your grandparents are on there and they're your friends, that's when it's like, no.

Well, that's why Facebook's not cool. What is the cool thing now that the kids are on there? There isn't one because it's Facebook. And Facebook isn't cool because you're friends with your mom. It's not cool.

I hope it goes to notepads on your door. I know. I want it to go back. To old school. You have to, like, telegram.

You have to telegram people. I saw a picture. Morse code. I saw a picture. This was brilliant, but it was like a hipster guy at a park with a typewriter, like an old-fashioned typewriter.

I always take mine to the coffee shop to work on my screenplay. Everybody hates you. When you take a typewriter to the park. You're not a douche at all. I just like the way the cue is set.

It's just got a better feel, you know what I'm saying? It's warmer. It drops at you every now and then like it should. Nothing like printing out your book report on a dot matrix printer to give you a sense of accomplishment. You know, ripping off the sides where the little holes are.

Yeah. Speaking of, we were watching Marley and Me with the kids the other day. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus. Good idea.

I know two people that I know you love. I'm so glad I didn't watch that movie in public. It was... My daughter loves dogs. You are sadistic.

You're an old yeller. She's not like cartoon loves dogs. She very realistically understands that things die. She's always been like... Like this puppy.

My son, he can watch a documentary about turtles and he'll cry if one of the babies die. Like her, she's like, That's what's supposed to happen. Like, she's the very practical, always has been. She cheers for the lion, not the gazelle. She understands that this has to happen.

A very practical person. Maybe don't see the counselor. Okay. He'll see your daughter differently. Well, she, you know, so we watched the movie.

But the reason I was getting at it, because we started looking at each other over lunch. Like, look at those computers. Look at that. Look at that. And it was...

It was set, like, 94, 95. And, like, his boss brings up, like, his copy before they put it. He's a newspaper column writer. And it does. It has the little dots down the side of the paper.

I'm like, they went to good detail on this movie. I was pretty surprised. And I started noticing the cars were all, as they went through the movie, the cars also evolved with the movie. They did a pretty good job with it. The movie Argo? um not giving anything away but at the end uh there's a kid's bedroom and this kid is like nine in 1980 which was about my age the show the credit show over the toys on his uh on his bookshelf they were all correct down to a 2xl a little learning tape it was a eight track tape player that was shaped like a robot i had i remember those that's great it's like all the it was just like a wave of nostalgia and it wasn't a nostalgic movie particularly but just this last 30 seconds of this movie was like a brain trip.

I'm nostalgic for Terrorism it was so great in the. 70s yeah as certain people in this room know I hate Donnie Darko but the one thing I love about Donnie Darko is that Maggie Gyllenhaal has my Laura Ashley sheets from 1990. Or whatever we still need to do that episode we gotta put that together yeah just for the hate fest that will happen alright do we feel we've taken care of this topic for now. I could talk about Dr. Who some more if you want.

To get back to Dr. Seuss. We should do a Dr. Seuss episode. Alright, I think that should round it out.

Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening. If I could never see you.

If I could never hold you If I could never touch your face. I feel your warm embrace I still remember talking I still remember laughing I still remember loving a lot Just touching you Babe, I've not forgotten Cause everything's bringing it back. You know it's just bringing it back A familiar place or a familiar face just brings it all back. No, we're just bringing it back. Good songs bringing it back.

And even after so much time, everything's. Bringing it back. Thinking in my solitude. Wondering about your attitude. Thinking maybe that your.

Love has died. There it is, I can see it in your eyes. And your look of sweet surrender. With a touch of too much sadness. Of the hurt you sow, you know your sorrow shows.

You just can't stay. But you know that you can't let. Go Everything's bringing it back You know it's just bringing it back A familiar place or a familiar face Just brings it. All back. Everything's bringing it back Good songs bringing it back And even after so much time, you know Everything's bringing it back.

And everything's bringing. It back Cause the song's bringing it back And even after so much time, you know Everything's bringing. It back. Bringing it back Bringing it back. Have you taken it out to smell it?

That's all you, man. I don't want to smell your Bigfoot hair. Seems like crossing a line to me. This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and edited by The Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by The Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support the show, email producer at moviemeltdown.com.

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