98.2: Maybe Your Braids Are Pulled Too Tight

The following feature has been rated R by the Motion Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised. It's showtime, folks! Enjoy the show! This is Courtney Gaines, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.

It's time for Sofa Theater. I thought I'd go out and skate after this. Very well, dear. Mighty awful event. At the Fern School this morning, huh, Miss Penmore?

Yes, Leroy, it was very sad. They say when they find that little boy... Yes, Miss Penmore. Now, Rhoda, you're behaving very well, dear, but still it's a terrible thing to see and remember. I understand how.

You feel, darling. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't feel any way at all. Have you been naughty? Why no, mother.

What will you give me for a basket of kisses? I'll give you a basket of hugs. I'm the biggest nightmare. I'm your sweetest sin. I'm the fear of losing.

I'm the voice from deep within. I'm the black sun rising. Of self-destruction on the better end when the pill you swallow and. Your reason to. Cry are great by war on murder.

On the dead you die. Welcome to Moving Up Down the Sofa Theater. Once again, I am Brian. This is Roger Yoon. I am still Misty.

I'm still Marlena. And we lost Jay. The third dimension pulled him back in. He thought he could escape. Yeah, there's no escape.

It's like opening the Hellraiser box and always falling to you. He's picking up his parents, so it's kind of the same thing. Okay, you said that one. No, I'm joking. I love his mom.

It's only because she makes you egg rolls. She makes the best egg rolls in the world. I love his mom for her egg rolls. Doesn't she make the best egg rolls? I haven't eaten her egg rolls since last Halloween.

We have some that are still in our freezer from his birthday. Okay. That was in June. They keep well, though. Yeah.

Obviously. It's deep brown. All right. This week's Sofa Theater feature is The Bad Seed. The year is 1956.

Director... I'm still trying to figure this one out. M-E-R-V-Y-N? Mervyn? Mervyn?

Is that right? Sounds good to me. Okay. Mervyn. I can't imagine what else it would be.

Mervyn LeRoy. LeRoy? The plot... LeRoy? LeRoy or LeRoy?

LeRoy. Depends on who says it. It's like the jewelers, you know. If it's high class, it's Leroy. If it's, you know, down in the ghetto, it's Leroy.

The plot, according to IMDb, is an ideal housewife begins to suspect her loving adolescent daughter may be a heartless killer. So, spoiler alert, because we're going to tell you what they told us at the end that we're not supposed to. At the end of the movie, they give you a big warning to not... reveal the special magical ending here and, you know, we're going to ignore that like we always do. And then double spoiler alert because we're also going to tell you how the book ends. So, you know, if you're one of.

All the kinds of differences in the books. If you're one of them readers, we're going to ruin that for you too. I read the book and there weren't even no words in there. Or the features in there. I don't even know.

That's called a notebook, Misty. I meant to say there weren't no pictures. I'm retarded. What do you want? You're hanging out in the school supply aisle again.

These books don't have no words. What the hell? I wrote the short bus here. What do you want? Oh, all right.

Oh, like y'all never said anything that was hard. I remember once we got to an argument over, like, the... like collective and elective Indiana versus Kentucky. And your argument was, what was it? Kentucky has the lowest readability rate. And that was what it was.

It's still correct. The sad part is I think that was on the show. What? I think we have that documented, don't we? No, this was a long time ago.

I have the lowest reading ability, Rich. I couldn't think of the word literacy. Wow. Kentucky's got the lowest reading ability out of all the states. They do.

I'd rather be able to not say that properly than to actually be in Kentucky. And not be able to read or wear shoes. Oh, wow. I'm fucking with you. All right.

Speaking of shoes with metal death plates on them, where would you like to begin with us? It gives a pain in the ass. Start at the beginning. All right. She reminds me of someone I know named Sam.

Just someone? Yeah. You don't know who, but I'm pretty sure their name is Sam. Someone specific I know named Sam. I don't know why.

I can't place it, but yeah. She reminds me of that girl. I'm just going to prove my theory that all kids are just fucking evil and should be sleeping peeled to death. Civilization would end. That's all good.

We wouldn't be missing much. Sometimes I agree with you. Yeah, sometimes. Well, it's like the beginning. You could already tell from just the beginning of the movie that this kid is bad.

I mean, because she's overly sweet, overly saccharine, gorgeous, perfect, whatever. But instantly you're like, well, the movie's called The Bad Seed, so in the first five seconds you already know what's going on. You're like, oh, there she is. There's no ruining of anything. There's no mystery.

There's no spoiler alert, really, unless you're a complete dullard and you're like, wait, she is perfect and beautiful. She'd never do something like that. That could happen. Yeah. They're just stringing you along for the first six hours.

Of this movie. Yeah, right. Which, the movie is six hours. Shit. It didn't take me that long to fucking read the book.

Went on forever. Yeah, they could have used some editing, in my opinion. Yeah, pacing is definitely an issue. Again, it's still impressive in what it does, but yeah, pacing. It's wordy.

It's very monologue-driven on occasion, dialogue-driven definitely. Leroy and his crazy ass rants to himself. I don't know at all Monica Breedlove. I don't think nobody knows anything but her. She ain't got long to go anyway.

Old Heifer's about ready for the canners. But that young trough fed Ms. Penmark. She might get kind of lonesome with. That soldier boy who has gone.

Yes, sir, she might. That Rhoda's a real smart one. That's a smart little gal. She's almost as smart as I am. She sees through me, and I see through her.

Swallow me a frog, but she's smart, huh? But they're not to himself. Because, I mean, I don't know, do you know that much about this? Because it's all, it definitely plays in when at the very end, you know, once we've gotten past the crazy spoiler area, we have the callback of the cast. Yeah, it almost seems like they didn't adapt the play very much.

It basically is the play. The reason the cast is who they are, that is the actual Broadway cast. They completely transferred them over and then made it into a movie. So it really. Which is why at some points it does seem overdramatic because that's how plays usually are.

They have that overdramatic. Yeah. Which is why I don't like plays. The monologues and things like that. And Leroy's talking to the audience.

Yeah. He's out there explaining things about the character to the audience. But yeah, it's like they didn't re-adapt that to a movie form where you could work it into dialogue. He just looks like a crazy person because he's out there rambling to a bush. Seriously.

But yeah, they changed so much stuff from the book. I mean, in the book, the dad, Bad Seed's dad, he's not in the book. It's rarely, rarely, until like the very end. I mean, there's... does have a dad though yeah the little girl has a dad and i think all the correspondence you get is just him writing letters to the mom there's never any interaction with him and the daughter. In the movie and it's just that you don't see his character to the end of.

The book You know, they're most, I mean, yeah, they ship him off in the first scene, so. But he's still a little bit more there. They talk on the phone. There's more interaction. But yeah, in the book, that's not so much.

It's more of a dad than Christine has in the book because in the book, he's fucking dead for years. I think cancer got his ass. I guess it makes it easier for them to explain her whole motherhood situation faster because in the book, she has to go through all this research and reading all the stories that he wrote. Was there microfiche involved? No, I think this was before microfiche.

I don't remember. I was reminiscing about microfiche a couple of weeks ago. Microfiche. What is it? It's pre-internet.

Yeah. Pre-computer, the only way to store a lot of it, the little images on the transfers, I guess. It's some sort of file. You see it in movies all the time. Like in the newspaper thing?

Yeah. Like when people are going through the newspapers? Yeah. I'm familiar with that, but I just didn't know that it was called microfiche. Microfiche.

Very timely. interface trying to turn the damn knobs and like get it to where you. Want to and then enlarge yeah yeah but in the book she's gonna do all this research and read and i guess they just figured they didn't want to go through all that bullshit so like oh we'll make her dead mysteriously alive again so whatever it's good for him. It would have just made the movie a lot longer yeah do. You want that do you want montage scenes any longer would have been just it's already long enough for him to have like 48 drinks a piece is that one thing I mean Jesus Christ there's a whole lot of drinking in this movie especially if I what's. Her lady the dead kid's mom holy.

Shit yeah I figure we're gonna have to devote a whole little section to her so okay go to town I don't know. Should we start why she's upset in the first. Place I guess we. Should break it down for those that uh or whatever aren't in the know yeah Well, apparently the school gives out medals for penmanship, which is just fucking retarded in the first place. So whichever kid's handwriting improves the best over the, at least in the book, it was over a certain amount of time, or it's not, whatever.

But anyways, the little boy wins it, and the little girl, she has a goddamn fit. She does. Screaming, tantrum having, and anyways, she eventually gets her medal. She didn't win her medal, but she stole it from the dead kid party. Yeah.

I probably shouldn't do the description. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. You just watched the movie. I know. I'm pretty sure you know it.

I'm tired and cold. But anyways, the mom's not too happy. And she's drunk. Is it time I was drunk? I might expect to call myself.

Is it time to call out the patrol wagon? No, no. You heard what I said. I said only that you were here. Your husband.

It was at the drugstore at the corner. I was only going to hold her in my arms and ask her a few simple questions. Well, perhaps another time would be better. Oh, you think because I'm lit? Well, I'm not lit in the slightest degree.

Rhoda knows more than she's told of you. Don't mind me being presumptuous. I had a long talk with that guard since I saw you last. And it was a long, interesting conversation. He said he saw Rhoda on the pier just.

Before Claude was found among the pilings. She knows something, all right. Oh, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, how can I get rid of this pest? It turns into this weird class thing that she's explaining about, you know.

Repeatedly. Repeatedly over and over again. She doesn't so much get invited into this woman's apartment as just kind of comes in. Well, everybody seems to do that. Her landlady, the guy working in the yard, they all just walk into her damn house.

The only one who, like, waited for her to open the door was her father. Yeah, right? It's sad. But just her storming in, you know, and she's completely belligerent. As most drunks usually are.

Which is true. She plays a good drunk, but she's annoying, like, How she would smack her lips after everything she'd say. Oh, God, it was, like, annoying as shit. She was the total actress I could ever see. Oh, she's terrible.

Her character reminded me of Carol... Burnett? Carol Burnett. She kind of looks like Carol Burnett, yeah. Like, when Carol Burnett's being her most annoying character.

The thing is, even at Ridiculous, Carol Burnett, she's still a massively better actress than this woman. But this is the really sad part. Now, I realized... I knew... What's the kid's name?

Patty something patty mccormick. Yeah patty mccormick the little kid i knew um she got nominated for an oscar for this role that's that's really fitting i mean i think the little kid did a good job the mother also got nominated for lead actress she got it lead versus the kid the one that frightens me is that that woman also got nominated for best supporting actress what the fucking drunk eileen heckard movies yeah i'm like i understand in 1956 i. Mean hollywood's all a sham anyways and damn awards yeah but usually not that bad i mean there's a lot of you know differences in acting style and you know 1956 versus now. But still there's a level where bad acting is just bad acting. Might have just been it might have been because of subject matter too maybe you.

Know maybe this is one of the first times they were like addressing drinking you know maybe it was something a little more politically based that like This was one of the first things that really brought it out. I doubt that. It seems pretty late for that. But yeah, the drinking part, it was so badly pieced together. It was hilarious.

Yeah, it was laughable, but it didn't fit in the rest of this movie because there are no comedy moments anywhere in this. It seemed... oddly out of place because you couldn't help but kind of. Laugh at the fact that she came back the second time it's like what you again for the same scene basically the same yeah the exact same to see. The same bullshit that she went through the last time which was hard enough for us to get through but god jiminy. Well in the book i mean the first the first two times that they had interaction the christine went and saw the woman she went to her house yeah So, I mean, I guess they were, they don't have another set or something.

Well, again, it does very much feel like a play because they don't really leave that. I mean, you get shots of like him in his office or the hospital later, but it's like, for the most part, it all takes place in that apartment or outside the front of that apartment. You know, there's the one cutaway to the picnic thing, you know, here and there, that kind of stuff. But the majority of it, it very easily got translated over from play to screen and And as far as direction, not much difference either. I mean, the director actually did a lot of stuff.

Like, he did a ton of really huge, you know, big-budget movies for that time period, all through, like, 40s, 50s. I think even a few years after that, he kept doing stuff. But, I don't know, nothing impressive, as far as I can say. It felt very, like... And again, this was just the dawning age of TV drama, but it felt very TV for that time period.

It felt very, you know, the static shots of just the room, and he would just sort of follow them back and forth. But it never seemed like it did anything massively visually creative. I mean, he kept it together, I. Guess, but. I was hoping for a little more just direction-wise, visually.

I was hoping for more editing. That too. It just drug on forever. That's my complaint. It was forever.

And the mom, I guess because I read the book, I'm just kind of a pissy bitch. She's not what I pictured in the book, so I'm kind of like, I'm not happy with her because in the book she's younger, she's prettier. I don't know. I thought the actress did a good job with it. The only thing with her is, again, not really an official acting complaint.

She's got such a raspy voice. It, like, gives out, like, halfway into almost every sentence. It does that weird little thing. Especially when she's screaming. And, yeah, by the time she's, like, hysterical towards the end of the movie, she's just, yeah, you're lucky to make out what she's saying.

So she just had kind of an odd voice. But, I mean, performance-wise, I thought, you know... She wasn't bad. Again, I didn't read the book, so I don't know the difference between characters, but I thought performance... Her and the little girl, and I guess the upstairs neighbor lady, she was annoying, but she played it very realistic.

In the book, she. Plays the overbearing, always there, getting all on your business kind of lady. She's always there. So to me, she should have been the other one nominated, not the crazy drunk. No, not at all.

I like LeRoy. Oh, yeah. LeRoy is awesome. That's another thing that's different than the book. In the book, he definitely has more of a perverse thing about the whole thing.

He's like, Oh, dear, the things I do to her mother, and just dirty and just creepy. He kind of said that at first, but then he did it. He did the capitalizing, yeah. It gets further, and he has this obsession with it. It gets to the point where it's all he can think about is the kid.

The kid, see? I mean, you get a little vibe, because I remember the first time watching it, I was like, I got a real pervy vibe from him that very first time, just where he's running into her in the living room. Yeah. But in the book. It's definitely a scene where he goes back to his family and is talking to his wife, and that's all he can talk about is this kid.

Oh, God. You know, how he. I want a divorce. Jesus. I want to marry this 10-year-old.

Eight-year-old. Jesus. God. One always made me think about in the movie, like, what Leroy did, if he's like, you know... I'm smart like you're smart and people don't know.

And I'm like did he do things I always get away with it yeah they're. Like people buried in like lakes which have a graze because of you or I don't know I mean I got the but that's kind of the charm of Leroy that I liked. Well I think it's again it's it changes midway through yeah because in the beginning he does come off really creepy and you assume that he's Especially now, because we know how pervy people are. I guess in the 50s, maybe they were a little more wide-eyed about it, but I'm just looking at him going, okay, don't let that guy near your dog, is what I'm thinking. But as it goes on, it really does switch, and he becomes sort of like victimized by this little girl And what's really funny, especially for his character, is in the middle there, that mid portion where in the beginning he just seems creepy.

And then by the end, it's all transpires. But in the middle, I'm just watching him. I'm like, this is so sad for you, buddy, because you have nothing to do but mess with an eight year old all day long. Like in the middle, he's just like fucking with her. I'm like, don't you have anything to do?

Mess with a small child? In the book, there's a lot of his daydreams about what he would do to the mother in his little basement room there. His little bed, his little makeshift, what would they call it? Excelsior. Excelsior, yeah.

That's such a strange name for, like, packing stuff. I'm like, isn't that a superhero's name? Yeah. Somebody say that? Like, Excelsior.

Yeah, isn't that a. I kept thinking seltzer water. It's one of the Stan Lee guys, because he's always using that one. Oh well yeah he's definitely a pervy man in the book and it carries over a little bit in the movie but not quite as detailed as creepy as he. Is in the book well there's a little more like the the misker task guy that one little section where he runs into the girl there's a very pervy little moment there where he's just looking at her and he touches her hair just like what what's going on here yeah i don't remember that in the book i'm not sure what they're putting out there like was that just standard operating procedure like did people just get that weird and hands-on with kids i know i was like i'm trying to decide if it's something different in a time or is it something that they were putting in there that these were kind of creepy but but otherwise he wasn't played as a creepy character the rest of his character was a very normal kind of helpful to the plot explaining things kind of character so why did they bother to give him.

They just wanted to give him that extra layer of creep so this guy is you know Do not trust him. He's distrustful. He's a creep. It's like, yeah, we got that. We didn't need the extra.

It's just something that, I don't know, maybe they just didn't, they wanted to flush him out, but they didn't. Who knows? Yeah, it makes sense with the B-Roy, Leroy. Leroy. Leroy.

It makes sense with him, but yeah, that guy, it's like, I don't even know what the point of that like 10 second little snippet of perviness that they put in there. And while we're on that, it's again, half the time, the parents are not helping the matter any. Much like we said with the Kingdom of the Spiders girl, why don't you get them a dress that covers their ass? Yeah, seriously. I'm sorry, but I'm like, he would pick her up, and I'm like, for God's sakes, put her down.

We don't need that. Or she was putting her roller skates on. Yeah. Oh, Jesus, yeah. Or he sprays her with the hose, and she jumps in the air.

I'm like, no, stop, please, for God's sakes. Grown-up women can wear trashy clothes. We're fine with that, but don't put 10-year-olds in trashy clothes. Eight. You keep wanting to age her a little.

I guess I do. Does it make it better that she's 10? No, not really, no. Like in Lolita, how they made her 16, and in the book she's really like 12. Yeah, seriously.

Oh, well, 16, that's fine. It's like an age of consent in some states. No, it's terrible. I mean, like 14 in Kentucky. I think so.

Give it even more leeway. I don't know. I'd check the law books, but I ain't got no reading ability. Shut up. Ding dang words.

And then books got no words. Got troubles. Diagrams, pictures. Oh, Lord. But I guess for the most part I enjoyed the movie.

You seemed miserable the whole time. You were sitting there cursing the movie. Well, you know, just for obvious reasons that I curse things anyways. But for an older movie I liked it. The subject matter I thought was always because I do agree that children are for the most part can be as evil if not more evil than grown-ups because they're innocent and don't have you know especially when their brains are broken when they're born yeah and they don't have a sense of.

Right and wrong like at all they don't understand boundaries. There's like something really creepy about that like you know the kids in general they can do anything and they don't have you know they don't have this concept of Like Lord of the Flies. Yeah, exactly. That's really creepy to me. They haven't understood any level of penalty involved.

They really are just free to do whatever they want, and what's going to happen to you? But your mother didn't help in this situation. I thought when she found out the truth that she would kind of be more like... shit like okay no she's like no really what are we gonna do to cover this up like burn the shoes like oh come. On like what would you do if your child was evil would you turn them over. If it was your child.

If it was my child i'd definitely have that parental you know that internal struggle of doing the right thing number one and being completely devastated because this is my child this is my seed and it is bad like i'd feel shitty for myself i'd feel like it was my fault definitely And especially at that point, it's kind of like, I don't. Know who I am. Is it really your fault? No, it's not really your fault, especially when it's genetics, but you have no choice but to feel like it is. As a parent, definitely.

I'm not a parent, so I can only, you know, conjecture. I don't know what I would feel, but I think I would like to feel like this. That's why I don't have kids. They would be evil, and I'd have to poison them. See, I would like to avoid that whole thing.

That would be good. Well, it's good. See, I would take my crazy child and then train them with a set of rules to kill other people that I think are fitting to die. We're going to do it upright. Like, no joke, I was sitting there thinking, I was like, this really has a lot of similarities to what Dexter took from, because they really do have this, like, this decision of what do you do when you realize your child is a murderer, like is insane.

And like, that's this, this version is like the bad version of just ignore it. It'll go away. Help them cover it up. But you know, you've got, you've got the other one where you've got, you know, dad's going, okay, there, there is no good side to this. You know, it's already bad.

The best, the easiest way out is to kill the child now, but I don't want to do that because I still love this kid. So what, what's the only way that I could, harness this evil and use. It for good yeah into something useful. Yeah so it that i thought it was kind of interesting between the two and i wonder how much you know they actually like drew from this initially because it's at least the basic concept and it also brings in the very much the genetics versus environment level of you. Know they covered that on an episode of nip tuck okay Well, I mean, it's an interesting concept.

Like, one of the doctors on the show, there was, like, a serial killer around, and he was suspected to be the serial killer. And he was adopted, and come to find out, he was, like, his birth mother was, like, raped by, like, a serial killer, like, rapist. And he was, like, the child from that. So that was their argument. He wasn't the serial killer, but, you know, that was their argument.

You know, like, this is your. Your heritage? Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I'm not sure if it's, I mean, but I don't know.

I don't know that much about genetics. Is it kind of like cancer, like on a genetic level? It's pretty likely you're going to be a homicidal maniac. You're predestined to have homicidal maniacal tendencies. Maniacisms.

Maniacisms. I mean, I think for the most part, people are a product of their environment, but I've seen like, I have friends with adopted children who are just totally their own personality. I mean, that's any kid, like you watch any kid, you know, they say funny things and they do weird things. You're like, where the fuck did that come from? Like, why do you do that?

Like, where do you get that from? Like, I don't know. I mean, I would be more likely at least in, in your normal everyday way of thinking that it would be more environment based and that isn't easier. So to me, it's almost like a, an easy out and especially in this story when they it's not just that she Has bad wiring and goes crazy like I almost believe that story a little more as if like she really did grow up in this perfect little home With that actually being you know her mother and that actually being her grandfather and they come from a perfect little life And then one day she just snaps and starts killing people. I think that's like a still realistic version I think that that's probably still going on out there, too.

I I think it's almost an easy out for them to be like, oh, you were adopted. Oh, and guess what? Your mother killed people. And so. I mean, but again, maybe that's all based in fact, because that's once again, I was thinking that was tied to the Dexter thing, too.

That's also the same thing. That's not really his father. He found them in the middle of a murder scene like they did in this story and then took him. But I mean, it's then drawing on that, you know, if your parents, yeah, if your parents are crazy, you know, you've got this crazy little kid. So, yeah.

What do you find a kid and what do you do with it? Why did it skip Christine then? Skip generation. The crazy is just every other generation. That's what I'm saying.

Because she was a product of that exact same environment. She grew up well-to-do, and she had a successful father, and a mother, I'm assuming. She didn't kill people. And she grew up almost perfect. She's like the June Cleaver in this story.

I mean, everything is freaking perfect in her little life. So... Yeah, it makes, it almost makes no sense when you put those two together. If both of them were exposed to the exact same environment, and they have the same genetics, then it doesn't even follow suit in this point. Well, you know, and she's not like this now, but, I mean, like, I was terrified of this child when I was, I mean, not when she was, like, first born, but, like, my cousins had a baby, and they're perfectly fine parents, you know, they have a lot of money, and, you know, they have four kids, and they're fine, but, like, Their second daughter, when she was like...

And I think, luckily, it was just a phase that she went through. She just had no concept of right and wrong. No. And she was evil. I mean, she was evil.

She like would grab the cat by his tail. She would like kick the cat for fun and just laugh. And like, she was bad. She's not like that now, but you could just like, see, she had no, you could just watch her. She had no concept of like, She just didn't give a fuck.

I have one of those in my family that just recently were dealing with that situation. At one point, it's like, do the parents need to step in and be like, kicking the cat is bad? Well, they were, but she just did not matter. And she's grown out of that. Luckily, it was just a phase, but it was just weird to watch.

I was like, I don't really, you know, you hurt something, you feel it. I mean, you don't like. physically feel it but you understand that you're hurting and. Very quickly you should even as a kid when you see something in pain and you realize you just caused that there is some sort of empathy that's like oh god yeah but yeah you could. Just tell there was no connection yeah but she's grown out of that luckily but We. Were dealing with that with one of the children in my family.

It was an issue with a dog. A lot of unremorseful pain caused? I don't know. So, yeah, it's like you just have to wonder what is it that's in your head when you're a kid and how is it? Is it environment that then changes it?

And you really, if the parent is there. I think it's a factor of all that stuff. I think, yeah, that's kind of what I took from it. It's like it's a big mesh of everything where it is part environment, it is part genetics, it is part just the way your brain is wired. Some kids are just born bad.

Some people just are born bad, broken, chemical deficient, whatever you want to say. I mean, some people never learned that. You know, kicking the cat's bad. Causing pain's bad. Some people don't.

And that's, I think, the only thing that explains this little scenario is that it was a mixture of, okay, she's got bad genetics in her line, but it's just the wiring of the way you come out. Mom came out and was fine. Next one out wasn't quite so fine. So... And I think it is just a mixture of everything.

And then environment can help, but not always. I mean, there's equally as many, you know, lying, cheating, murdering people in the old well-to-do families as there are in the streets. So, you know, I think that it's sort of a tax bracket. Yeah, it's like a crutch, really. It's like what you use when you need an easy answer is, oh, it was their environment.

They grew up in that. But I'm like, well, some of that can be that. Oh, definitely. And not in all cases, but, you know, it's just like, if you think about poor people stealing and killing and of course this isn't always true there's ruthless killers no matter how much money you make but like it's almost it's almost always worse like in higher class societies because it's so conniving and like yeah meditating it's very cold like yeah that's what makes it worse i think i mean you know like i mean yeah. Usually in any other you know, situation.

It's like crimes of passion or like, you know, I didn't mean to, and you fell on the gun. And, but yeah, when it's, when it's always, when you hear about the stories in the high, you know, super, super tax brackets. Yeah. It was planned out and they could give a rat's ass after they're gone. It's, It's very detached families where I think maybe that comes with the society.

Maybe, you know, you end up being closer to people that, you know, that's all you have is your family. You live in this little apartment and that's all you have versus, you know, you never see each other at the other wing of the house. Yeah. So that may be. Part of it.

I don't know nothing about no rich people. Join the club. I paid with lunch at a pocket change today. Yeah, I love doing that. But, you know, I mean, like...

I have an ex-boyfriend who was adopted, and his parents were really cold. They treated him like he was a bad seed. I think he was a weird child, and they were like, Stay away from this one. He's broken. Basically just treated him like shit his whole life.

They were cold, did not give a fuck about him. Kind of weird. I just don't think, not specifically rich people, but I just think socially you're different. Yeah but i think that's not a secret but i think all levels take place you know i think all the behaviors take place on all levels of that you know it's like there's there's equally as messed up things going on on every level it doesn't make it worse in the rich either i mean there's horrible horrible things going on and in the lower ends i mean it it I don't know. In the end, I think environment plays a part, but at the same time, I don't think it's, I don't think it levels anything out.

I think you're equally as likely. I think it's more, you know, probably on, on your wiring than anything else. Then, then just the way your brain comes out, that genetics ties in and environment ties in. But I think in the end, it's just how you came out and some people are just evil. Yeah.

Unfortunately, hopefully that won't be my children. Karma has a bitch of a way of coming back around. God, please, no. There's a lot of psychoanalysis talk in this one. A lot of babble.

A whole lot of it. And I think it was just that, I think, is something of the time period. Oh, definitely. Because I think it was just, you know, that whole, you know, level of psychoanalyzing stuff had been around for a long time before that. But I think that was just, you know, the 50s and 60s was the point when it started to, like, work its way into normal mainstream society.

Like, just, you know, snippets of it. Just enough that you could, you know, build a movie around it. Because they also, you remember that, like, the last scene in Psycho where they just give this whole little... babble of you know why you know Norman Bates turns out like this and then they throw in a few technical terms and you know that's really all they needed was just enough to cover oh and that's why it was crazy so. You know one thing I like about this movie it really felt like a Hitchcock movie almost just the subject matter but it wasn't it was like I. Feel more drawn out than he should be.

That's true. He's a lot tighter. He's got that shit-together type. He would have been a tight box. Yeah, but still, the subject was just so dark.

I mean, it was the darkest... movie i can recall especially because. It's so shiny and bright yeah you know that just like emphasized how dark it was yeah. I'm always amazed at how much you know again we always think back to that time period and even before as being pretty happy at least a society that sort of duped themselves into thinking everything's pretty well you know well-rounded and. Happy they wanted everything to look new and. Everything was sort of you know let's have a happy little life but but still so much of the entertainment was based like that i mean you look at like these kind of movies and even like you know alfred hitchcock presents was on tv every week and like there's some grim stories on there and a lot of the other like shows that were popular at that time it's like people especially at that time i think just found this weird fascination with you know i guess murder mystery novels have always been around.

But i guess people always have people. Just kind of like that but it is weird that like as twisted as this story becomes, I mean, it's creepy enough having a child that murders people. But again, if we're going to get into the end here in a minute, by the time your mother is killing the daughter and shooting herself, damn, that's a dark ending. And probably where, especially when it wasn't probably where it should have been. And we'll get back to that in a minute.

I also felt that, uh, it was what twilight zone was it with a kid, uh, It was a monster that could do anything it wanted. Yeah, that's kind of what I felt also, was that there was a little bit of that in there also. I was kind of thinking Twilight Zone. There's a lot of creepy Twilight Zones that sort of cross over into the scary murders. Yeah, especially when it dealt with children.

And that is i mean it is convincing on that level like there's by the time mom starts to realize that and you realize she's like scared that that kid's gonna walk in the room and i'm like she's eight years old and you're like frightened to death of this little girl that's kind of i mean that is you know impressive for them to make it that convincing that she's scared she's gonna walk in the room and see her and it's over. Here what she was planning or whatever you. Know And again, I think most of that's the performance. I think it's Patty McCormick. I think she does a good job because hers is almost layered more than I would give most actors credit.

Because I think when you first start watching it, you're like, man, this kid is a cheesy actor. Yeah. And then you realize it's, but not even that. It's like, it's almost like layered to the point of she's overdoing it to the point where she knows she's overdoing it. And she's like overcompensating because then you see her with like Leroy.

She's not like that. She's an entirely different person when she's around him and she doesn't have to put that bullshit act on. Don't want to talk to nobody smart, huh? Like to talk to people she can fool like a mama and Mrs. Breedlove and Mr.

Emery. There's some Excelsior for you. You talk silly all the time. I know what you do with the Excelsior. You made a bed of Excelsior down the basement behind that old furnace.

And you sleep there where nobody can see you. I've been way behind at times here too far. But now I got your number, miss. I've been hearing things about you that ain't nice. I've been hearing you beat up that poor little Claude Daigle boy in the woods, and it took all three of the Fern sisters to put you off him.

I heard you run him off the wharf. He was that scared. If you tell lies like that, you won't go to heaven when you die. I heard plenty. I listen when people talk.

Not like you, gab, gab, gabbling all the time, wondering nobody get a word in edgewise. That's why I know what people are saying, and you don't. People tell lies all the time, but I think you tell them more than anybody else. I know what you've done to that little boy when he got him out of that wharf. You better listen to me if you want to stay out.

Of bad trouble. What did I do? Do if he knows so much? You pick up a stick and you hit him with it. You hit him with it because he wouldn't give you that medal like.

You told him to. I give that, I mean, most adults couldn't pull that off. That kid really sort of comprehended the whole like levels of what she was doing and just how much she was like snowing people and i think the most interesting is the way she would use like affection to try to get her out of uncomfortable situations yeah and it became very apparent like by the end of it but even like that very first time like she she started questioning her about the the metal or the the incident down at the water and like all of a sudden she like snapped and was just like switch gears yeah she immediately i love you Not even that. It was like, oh, it was the stupid, you know, if I give you a basket of like, and most people would be duped into that, you know, in the beginning.

And most people were, you know, but it's funny just how much she sort of used that to her advantage, being the devious little Mayan that she was, that she would continually, anytime she got into a situation that was uncomfortable, they would always make her go for that little, my mommy's so pretty. And yeah. I think I like the best about her. I'm sorry. I just jumped right in.

Go ahead. It was just like, as soon as she had got her way, just that smirk. She would have, that look in her eye. It was just like, oh, that evil, comedic little brat. Oh, my God, this is why I hate kids.

But, you know, that was the most impressive part to me of her performance, was that she could pull off that overdramatic, cheesy bullshit, and then you could see that little evil smirk. Like, oh, I got what I wanted. And I won, you know. And it was all about such petty bullshit. Like, not even just, I mean, the medal was almost more of, like, a stature thing or, like, you know, I earned that.

She felt like she was robbed of it. But all the other things she killed people over were such stupid. No, because, I mean, what's, I don't think it was. I mean, I think initially it was, but in the end she just wanted the medal, you know? Having the metal doesn't mean you have the best penmanship.

It's just having the metal. But I'm talking about the other, like the... The lady with the bulb. The backstory with that little... Glass ball with the fish in it.

Yeah, the fish globe thing that she... This stupid little trinket that she wanted. She killed that old lady for. And then they're already setting up. She's going to kill the landlady for her bird.

Yeah. Birds are fucking horrible pets. Why would you kill her for a bird? That wasn't in the book. No.

I like that, though, because it shows, like, at that point, it's kind of like, maybe you could imagine that, and especially if this was a really sappy movie, it could have been like, okay, mom lives, she got rid of the only other guy who ever knew she killed anybody, she's got it out of her system, she's going to be okay from here on out, and mom's going to live, and they're all going to have a happy little life. A lot of movies could have played it that way, especially at that time period. Yeah. But I think this one, I give it credit because... even after you know the situation you know summed itself up the guy was out of the picture nobody was going to know she did it they were already setting it up it's like it's not out of her system she's evil she's already planning the next murder she is evil.

Next hit as long as somebody has something she wants they're going to be in danger because there's even in the in the book there's a line where because there's another neighbor in the book that there's not in the movie at all that she spends a lot of time with i guess it's like her new older best friend or whatever they hang out and have dinner a lot of the times And after her mom kind of realizes, hey, what's going on? She kind of like warns the kid. I'm like, she's like, you're not going to do anything. I can send you. You'll be okay, right?

She's like. oh, don't worry, she doesn't have anything I want. Yeah. So that lady is safe, and it's because she has nothing that the little kid wants aside from, you know, worshipping the little kid and telling her how good she is all the time. See, that's even more, like, detestable. Like, at least, like, killing him was to cover up, you know, it was protecting herself.

It's just, that's basic self-preservation that we're all kind of born with. But by the time she was killing over trinkets and birds and bullshit, I'm just like, oh, this kid needs to die. Yeah. Life needs to end. Oh, man.

I think it's funny how influential this movie is. I mean, I remember seeing John Waters a few years ago, and he said this shaped his childhood. I mean, it's a movie that I don't think a lot of people have watched. I mean, it's pretty well known, but... I think it influences, you know, like we were talking Dexter, like probably influenced Dexter on a certain level.

And I just don't think, I think so many people are familiar with this story and this idea, but don't really know where it came from. I think it's like the reference thing. It's like everybody gets the reference, the bad scene. But it's like the good son. Yeah.

But it's one of those. Yeah. I mean, as much of a geek as I am, this was the first time I'd watched this, which surprised me. I kept thinking, I was like, I've seen this at some point, right? And then I started watching it, and I was like, no, I've not seen any of this.

I was really obsessed with it in high school for some reason, and I watched it in high school, but I don't think I got to the end. You didn't get to the end of the movie. The hell are you saying? I fell asleep. Hell no.

Well, okay, to be fair, that night, I think, this was before DVDs were popular. And I lived next to a Hollywood video. I rented Metropolis. Nice. And The Bad Seed and watched Metropolis and fell asleep during The Bad Seed.

So, oh, my God. You made it through Metropolis. I know. That was very impressive. Because Metropolis is, you know, you don't even have dialogue to suck you in on that.

I mean, I was like 16. I mean. It's visually amazing. But, yeah, it's not like the most action packed, especially, you know. I wasn't saying anything bad.

I'm just saying that's how most of your geek week activities end. I didn't even go into all the movies that I fell asleep during, like UHF and The Birbs and Rachel Getting Married and several other movies that I can't remember because I fell asleep the minute I turned them off. I'm surprised there hasn't been a direct remake of this. Actually, because I said that last week I was checking, I was like, I thought at some point they had, and then I looked it up and there wasn't. I was like, oh, no, there wasn't.

Then this week I double-checked, there is a TV remake. Oh, okay. There was a 1985 version that was, let's see, it had Blair Brown and Lynn Redgrave, David Carradine. So, yeah, I'm assuming. But aside from remakes in general, how many movies have been just like this where they have the kid being the evil, either from...

Being possessed by a demon or the spawn of demons. Yeah, even the omen. Remember the orphan? The omen, the orphan, I mean. The good son.

The good son. I mean, just in general, how many movies have banked on kids being evil? It's a popular thing. But, you know, it's kind of funny because if you think about, when was this book written? I don't remember.

I mean, I would assume before the 50s. Yeah, the movie's 56. I don't know. I didn't read all the details. It's a ways back.

But, I mean, I just wonder if it was written at the same time that, like, Lord of the Flies was. Because if so, then that was just, like, a weird popular theme, you know, like. Kids going crazy. Yeah, like, kids having, like, an innate sense of evil and, like, wrongdoing. Just.

And not being able to know the difference, you know, without right and wrong, because it's not in their brain that way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what I mean. Her thing, she was almost like seemingly unaware of her evil. Like when she would just be like, oh, well, he's the one that died, not me.

Yeah, I wouldn't even have thought to her. Or at the end when she was like, you know, why would I want to tell and get killed? Like she realizes all of the consequences. It's like her brain has developed enough that she knows everything that's going on. But there really is no like concept of... right and wrong to it it's just she's very intelligent but there's no like wisdom that has come along with it she doesn't understand consequences or guilt or anything it's i don't know and then her little coping with it it's like she almost all those things are pre-programmed her little sweetness bullshit it's like she snaps into it when she needs it yeah it's i don't know i mean again i think she does she is the reason to watch this i think her performance really and and i mean it screwed up her career basically From that point on, yeah, she got very typecast and had a hard time finding screen roles.

I don't know, maybe on the stage, maybe it was different. But yeah, I'd heard it kind of messed up her career as a movie actress. Messed up her career, but never messed up those braids, I'll. Tell you that right now. I like that we were deciding maybe that was part of the problem.

Her braids were pulled too tight. She just made her fucking crazy. It'll happen, dude. My grandma used to braid my hair pretty fucking tight, and that was really bitchy those days. Mom, can I take my hair?

Shut up. You can't yank that shit. What are you talking about? I'm going to kill you. Those days.

Yeah, those days. I'm serious. You're going to see me then. I'm nice now. Fuck.

I'm all sugar and sweet shit. Wow. That's very convincing. Sugar and spice and all. Puppy dog tails.

One thing I don't know, was this based on a true story of some sorts? I know, obviously, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds was influenced by this movie, and they have that song, Curse of Millhaven, and it's almost like, it's not exactly the same, but it's very similar. It's like if she went unchecked, basically, because it starts off as seemingly slow as this one, but yeah, if you let her run rampant, this is what would happen if that was your town. But I mean, it could have... It could have been the same girl, pretty much.

I mean, the song was basically about her. Well, that's, yeah, if you listen to the song, she's a little older. So this is basically, this is the infancy of her craziness, and then, yeah, you give her a couple years, and this is what happens. In the book, it goes more into her grandma's details, and you see how she went along her path, and all the people she went through, and how she didn't get caught for so long. So it's just kind of like leading up to, is she going to have the same run?

And then her mom, when she starts learning all this, she's like, Is my daughter going to be on the run like my mother was? And that's why she eventually does what she does. But in the book, her mom gets the electric chairs. It must have been a pink one. Yes, the pink one.

Girls get pink electric chairs. Yeah, but I just wasn't sure if it was based on a true story because, you know, like in that song, there's... so many events and there's a town and, you know, all this stuff about it. So I didn't know if it was like a true story. I don't know. It didn't make any reference to it being true in the book.

I'm sure somewhere in history something like this has happened somewhere. Oh, I'm sure. Probably even worse in reality. Yeah. I mean, there have been many cases in the real world.

I've not heard of that many of that young that do it, but you hear of teenagers all the time snapping and killing people over stupid shit like video games. Yeah. I'm sure it's based on some terrible story that he heard and went, how about if I just make a whole book out of this? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

I think the music is kind of cool. I think that tied in a lot with the Hitchcock references, too. I don't think there was enough music. There was a lot of scenes where I was like, just give me some kind of music here, and maybe it won't be so drawn-out feeling. Well, there were some orchestrated, like, a little slower music for their little happy family scenes, but the few key moments, it worked in more tense, you know, Bernard Herrmann-esque kind of stuff when she started to piece together the really scary parts of this little kid, but...

The piano is a lot. It's almost overwhelming by the time they work in the piano craziness that starts, like, assaulting the mother. And then I do like them working it back in towards the end of the movie. I thought the. Again, probably could have used more, but the times when it was, like, tense music I thought was kind of cool.

One thing I was confused about, so she tried to kill her daughter and shot herself. Are they just going to let her out of the hospital and, like, go back to live with her daughter? Like. Sure. Would that really, like, happen?

Again, in the 50s, probably. Yeah, right? I'm sure they just covered that kind of showed up all the time and were like, well, you work for the military, right? Oh, you're fine then. You got him.

You take him from here. You make sure this doesn't happen again now. Maybe. But, I mean, if you, like, slap your kid nowadays, they're like, you'll never see this child again. Yeah.

I'm sure today this would be a very different story. But, yeah, 56, they would have been like, you stay out of here. Don't you try to kill that kid again. How fast did she get, you know, if you're going to... Go to that big of an ordeal to kill your kid and then kill yourself.

Shouldn't you make sure your kid's actually dead first? I mean, don't half-ass that shit. Make sure the kid's, I mean, I'm not trying to advocate it. No. I'm just saying if it was a situation and you were that worried about your kid growing up to be that evil and to continue on doing what they're doing and you're that set on what you're.

Going to do. I can do it right. That's the thing. I mean, among the two there, you know, the evil one is the kid. The kid needs to be the one she makes sure is dead.

She should have shot the kid and taken some sleeping pills or something. I mean, like if she was really worried about protecting the world from this evil. At least just make sure the kid's dead before she shoots herself. Oh, she's, she's halfway going. She's, almost maybe asleep i'll go ahead and you know off myself or.

If they had enough if they just both would have taken the pills yeah then i mean the only reason the kid lives is because she uses the gun and alerts the people in the building that she just shot herself so they come save the kid so yeah if she would have quietly offed herself. Everyone just would have went to sleep and never woken up. She could have just slashed her wrist or something. Don't anybody think that I'm advocating? The movie would have been about not 10 minutes short.

Not saying it's cool to kill yourself. I'm just saying, if you've got a strategy, think it out. I saw Wrist Cutters. It's totally cool. Actually, the movie was not.

As good as it should have been. But we won't go into that. We will on a different episode. Nice. In the book, she does give her kid the pills, but in the book, she fucking offs herself okay.

The kid's all right. See, that's, yeah, do we want to go ahead and get to the end? I think that's about where I have it for the rest of the movie. So, yeah, the end offers a lot of different things to go into. In the book, like I said, she shoots herself, they run, they save the kid, she's fucking dead, so whatever for her.

But then they're in the hospital, and that's the end. They're getting the kid out of the hospital, the end, da-da-da-da-da. Kid, evil, whatever. And that's it. The EOC goes on.

But do you know why it's different? I figured they would make some sort of changes, because for some reason, I think they always changed the book. Too much of a down note? No, see, that's the thing. I mean, to me, it almost should have ended that way.

Well, I mean, if it would have ended the way that the mom planned it, it would have been a really creepy, dark movie, but it would have been okay, and it wouldn't have screwed things up. Maybe it's because, because in the book, the kid, they bring the kid back in the book, right? Mm-hmm. The kid's alive. The kid's fine.

Okay, that's where the problem comes in, because this is 1956, the Hays Code. Mm-hmm. The Hays Code won't let you show someone... It won't allow crime to pay. So basically, the person.

You can't be unpunished for your crime. Yeah, the person doing bad things can't get away with it. And the kid living means she gets away with it. But what about the mom? She tried to kill the kid.

Is she not going to get punished? Is she going to be able to go along. With her life? I guess taking a bullet in the head is her punishment. I don't know.

She didn't do it very well, but whatever. oh i don't know but yeah that that became the reason that they had to add this whole last 10-15 minutes on and have the kid you know survive and then try to go get the medal and then we can get to the very. It's awesome i don't think i laughed so hard i think the special effects for this were amazing. Yeah but of all things i mean there the. Wrath of god is yeah awesome coming at. The end it's an act of god that takes her out I'm like, there's a lot of ways they could have written that out somewhat normally, I guess.

Should we not exactly spoil the exact thing? It says to not talk about it. I didn't know if you wanted to actually. Don't divulge. Yeah, we got a stern warning at the end of this movie that we weren't supposed to tell you guys about.

Yeah, finger-shakin'. There was a lot of finger-shakin' in this movie. There was finger-shakin'. That was the drunk lady. She did a lot of pointin' and finger-shakin'.

Even the little girl did some finger-shakin'. Yeah, there's a lot of finger-shakin' in this movie. That's how you know it's serious. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, to me... It would have made more sense. I mean, even if they just wanted to change it for the sake of, okay, we have to appease the code, to just end it there. And, like, actually have her have killed the kid. Maybe that screws up the whole...

I don't know. But, I mean, either way, now she's dead. So it's like. You have a mother killing her child. You don't want to pass that image along.

So. But for that time. I guess. I'm like. 56, you don't want that...

Oh, you think your kid's evil? Hey, you know what? Yeah, I can see because of the time, there's no way it could have ended like that. I guess. But nowadays, because of.

For me. I don't know, it would not be nowadays. I think that would have been a good ending. For me, it's more of a poetic ending of, you know, like she sees the evil... She takes the ultimate step of, like, sparing the world of this evil.

Sparing not only the world, but her kid from the life she's going to have to live trying to, you know, get away with this shit and trying to hide from people and still getting away with it because she knows there's no way that the kid's going to stop. No. The kid's not going to form a conscious magically overnight. The kid's going to be evil forever. You've seen her within the span of this week or whenever this takes place that, yeah, she, like... already is finished one covering up another one taking somebody out to protect herself you know I mean this is just within one little incident so it's like yeah she's going to get worse and worse so it It definitely is, you know, I think it's almost would have been, it would have been a very dark, creepy ending, but I think to me it should have just stopped there and that would have been a really cool, sad ending.

No, especially that's kind of like the flow of the movie. It felt like that was the end. And then it just kept going and you're like, wait, what? Well, and just the mood, the whole mood of it is kind of creepy and sad. So for me, it ending that way wasn't any worse.

It was just the outcome, the inevitable outcome of what was going to happen. But I guess, yeah, they had to find a... loophole through all of these things it's like we want a slightly happier ending but we also need to punish her because she's evil and she needs to be destroyed. It's just nature bouncing itself out. I guess i mean that's really the only thing you can take from it is that you know she was so evil that the powers that be decided that she needed to be taken out. Do we want to divulge that information we already said.

It was act of god i mean how much else is there. I don't know it could be a flood it could be a fucking an earthquake gonna fucking come up and swallow our little evil ass. I But that's not what happened. Well then, triple spoiler alert. Okay, go ahead.

Fucking lightning bolt. It was awesome. Blew her up in the pier or whatever. It was tight as shit. Exploded the whole area.

Out of nowhere. And especially when you just don't see it coming. It's like, she walks down there and she's getting. I thought she was going to fall into the pier. I thought she was going to collapse.

Like it's rickety. That's kind of what it felt like was going to happen. She was going to fall in. And I was just like, holy shit, where did that come from? Thank you, God.

See, first I thought they were taking her to the hospital to kill her mom. Because she was asking questions. She's like, why did I not. Feel good the night mommy tried to kill herself? I'm like, oh, little brat's going to go kill her own mother.

And again, I wouldn't put it past her. Me neither. Once again... At that point, Mom knew her secret, so that would be her way of protecting herself, and then she could live happily with Daddy forever. Well, you don't know that the get in the medal wasn't just like a stop on the way to the hospital.

It very well could have been, yeah. See, I figured she'd kill her mom first and get the medal, because then she really did earn it. By that time, she thought she had earned it from the get-go. Crazy little bitch. We never got to see her penmanship either.

Yeah, I know. Could have been a complete shame. Could have been horrible. Yeah. Maybe that's why she was going to the hospital.

She just wants to be a doctor. She has terrible penmanship. Because technically, her penmanship... is better in the book, but it was because of improvement of penmanship. The boys' penmanship had improved better. Went from shitty to good, and hers was just good the whole way.

Exactly. That's why she was pissed off. You don't get no damn medal. See, now if you're basing it on improvements. This ain't the bestest, yeah.

You didn't improve that much. It was supposed to be a medal for the improvement of penmanship. Over the years. See, Beth was wrong. Hers just started off good, and it stayed good.

The little voice apparently was like fucking chicken scratch. And then by the end, it was legible, so he won the award. And really, doesn't that kid deserve a medal? You've seen his mother. I mean, Christ.

He deserves several medals for living with her. Morning to the little boy. She was the prettiest girl ever, and he was going to marry her, which I just think is a whole other level of creepy. She was probably doing the little boy a favor. That is very good.

Yes. Oh, Lord. Well, we're about done with this anyway, so what's your final take on it? Two thumbs up. I loved it.

I think mostly for the Patty McCormick girl, I think. Mostly for the lightning. You love to hate her. You really love to hate her. But, I mean, she's so good at it.

It'd be different if she was just a snotty little kid. There's a lot of little bad kid actors that I would be like, oh, this kid's terrible in it. But she's got this commanding performance. Especially with the Leroy. When she's yelling at him and putting him in his place, she is vicious.

She does not mess around. She bars her teeth pretty easily. Yeah. Damn. I'm like, little kids, normally that level of just behavior and attitude, you don't even get to that right away.

So I give her credit for being impressive. The scene with her and her mom fighting over the shoes, it was pretty hardcore. Yeah. Crazy time. It's crazy.

Yeah, I liked it. Definitely. So hopefully we don't have to watch the Eli Roth remake. What? Again, they had it listed on there.

I don't know how. It's pretty old. Whatever. I like Eli Roth. I don't care what anybody says.

Yeah, nobody wants to ramp up the body count. Oh, yeah. The killings. That'd be crazy shit. Is this supposed to be coming out?

It's going to be like Thanksgiving with a little bridge. Because I love that movie. That would be awesome. Thanksgiving. No, what was his?

Thanksgiving Day or. Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving was awesome. Did you ever watch that? It's on Netflix.

Thanksgiving Day, I think. I think that was his bad thing, which he's now supposedly making, too. Supposedly, Eli Roth wanted to do a remake of this and modernize the hell out of it. I kind of like Eli Roth. I don't care what anybody says.

I love Cabin Fever. It's not something from the 80s that people remember. I mean, that's the thing. I will give them, it's been a long time, if you don't count the Made for TV remake, it's been a long time since this movie came out. You could certainly, it would be due for a modernization.

Yeah, definitely. If you picture it now, they would have Elle Fanning as the bad seed. Who? Elle Fanning. Yeah, I would say years ago it would have been Dakota, but she's too old for that now.

Elle's a pretty good actress, too. I'd be okay with that, actually. Girl from let the right one in or um. No let me in yeah chloe chloe they better hurry up she's getting too old too yeah but she would she would support the pigtails i can see that so yeah definitely all right well with that we will wrap up the bad seed and come back with the rest of the show. Abused by my lies, I got a bloody switchblade knife I stabbed my lover in the back With.

Eyes just as bad as he, full of lust, distrust and greed I. Wanna hear your bones crack She came to me with love. In her eyes Transmuted my brains of sound I turn my head, she better sit there. I'm going straight to hell. I know it well.

Straight to hell. Show starts in four minutes. You shiver and shake. Quiver and quake when you see. Kill, baby, kill.

A man of science baffled by a kind of life he can't understand. A leech fly. Challenged by a kind of death he can't accept. Ah! Ah!

Threatened by a kind of violence he can't fight. Monica. I can't stand it anymore, Paul. They're going to kill us all. Stop it, Monica.

Get a hold of yourself. But they're going to kill us all. I know it, Paul. I know it. You'll all be killed if you.

Don't help each other. But everyone is too paralyzed by fear to help. So run, doctor, run. Run, girl, run. Before that someone, that something, that kill between kill drives you to self-destruction.

Keep your eye on the bouncing ball, your ear on the mocking laughter. Stop! And try not to shiver and shake, quiver and quake, when you see kill, baby, kill. Are you still looking for that special someone? Have other dating websites let you down?

Hi, I'm Craig Fritz Rualdo, host of LoveFinder.com, telling you to listen to Showshow at Showshow.podomatic.com. Too many websites all in one sentence? You betcha. But Showshow's a podcast about movies for people like you, don't know what love is listen to show show every week at show show.podomatic.com or search show show all one word in the itunes store this will be part of your problem you know you haven't seen enough movies all of life's riddles are answered. In the movies and now on with the show.

You say you love me, baby, I don't care Go tell someone else I won't be there I could kill it, darling, how you feel I guess that way you never had to seem real Cause I'm Betsy, yeah, Betsy I said burr. It's cold in here. I've been doing that like so many times and jay has no idea. It's cold and fucking toro action you. Must be some clovers in the atmosphere.

All right so we are back and we've got feedback. Yes yes no yes good or bad uh good good and um a stern warning oh nice. Am i being warned it's not even for you yes jesus. Okay first we'll get to this one and actually roger you've probably got the best chance of pronouncing this right s-a-n-a-e it's japanese oh i don't know either way yeah we have heard from sunny If we're butchering your name, please let us know some sort of phonetic way of doing it right. But either way, thank you.

I've actually gotten a hold of her. I know she listens to Comedy Film Nerds, and we had Graham Elwood on the show, so I met her through that and talked to her. Hi. Told her he was awesome and ridiculous and hilarious and is she hailing from japan she yeah she is uh she's i believe in tokyo but um yeah she uh had talked to her online and just you know told her that we were talking about the fact that he was on our show and then i told her what the episode was if she wanted to hear him you know being crazy and rambling so she went to check that out and then uh i think that was also the one we did pontypool which i then gave her a warning that you know our usual we spoil that a lot of shit warning So her response was, let's see.

Hi, Brian. She says, love the show. Very geeky and challenging to follow for a foreigner with English as a second language by myself. I'm like, okay, I apologize because it's hard to follow some of this if English is your first language. Especially if you're listening to me.

Oh, man. I'm throwing shit out there that don't make no sense. I believe we all do. My English skills done wandered off. But yeah, she goes on to say, still loved it.

I was just fascinated by your geek talk. So it's good to know around the world being appreciated for our geekiness. Once again, she says, I love the chemistry among you guys and the way the show is edited. Artisanship. Nice.

Which is awesome. Nice. And bonus points for the big words there. Ooh, fancy words. She says, horror is no longer a genre for me since my geeky friends scared the hell out of me by making me watch too many Argento slash It sucks that they'll never release it in Japan.

I don't know why. I brought that up, yeah, when I was like, I didn't know, you know, we go into that, you know, just telling her, she's like, yeah, they. Haven't put it out. I was like, that sucks. I mean, granted, we had to scam it from Canada, but, you know.

Eventually, I think they put it out here. It just took them forever. Mine wasn't from Canada. Yours was in a day. Yeah, it was on, like, on demand.

It's not on DVD. Originally, though, I think it was on. All the Boys Love Mandy Lane is the one we had to get from Canada. Yeah, but I thought, I thought maybe Pontypool got. Major release.

I don't remember. I did. Either way. But yeah, she ends it with, once again, Misty, I'm telling you, I don't know what it is about you. Her last sentence is, please tell Misty that this is true.

You've got a listener in Japan. awesome so once again i i don't know what it is but you captivate people around the world misty. I don't want to go that far she's just calling out my disbelief people actually listen yeah. But once again it's like they're only one person she named by name and it was you so. I'm special i used to do your short bus velcro shoes. Yeah really short bus velcro.

Shoes i have a pair of velcro shoes Makes it a lot easier putting them on. I know. I love those. They were platform. Oh, the sound.

The sound. They were platform Velcro tennis shoes. Oh, wow. Spice Curl shoes? Yep.

Spice Curl shoes. Wow. Talking 1997 through probably 2000. Actually, I would dare say 2003. Okay.

Settle down, Baby Spice. I haven't seen you wear shoes that actually have laces or Velcro in, like, years now. I know. It's been a while. That aside, thank you, Sinead.

Assuming that we're saying that right. Let us know if we're pronouncing it right. And if you're saying it wrong, just remember, I'm not the one doing it. It's all Misty's fault. So, yeah, it is awesome to know that we're getting out there and getting out there to Japan, for God's sake.

We reach far and wide. There are many, many other countries. That is awesome. Speaking of awesome, we have another message. Yes.

Is it from Randy? It is from Randy. Okay. Misty was scared and then shared it with Randy and then she felt better. Well, you don't have to worry because this one is specifically...

For Roger? Very specific advice for Roger. Yes. I need it. You probably do.

Actually, in this incident, I think you do. At least you did a couple weeks ago. Is Roger Randy's favorite now? Hey guys, this is Randy. This is the call you shouldn't air.

This is the call that if you play, spoiler alert, everybody nice... Fast forward two minutes where you're not going to hear this horrible thing I'm about to say. Roger, this one's for you. If another man pisses on your car, you do not engage in half-assed tomfoolery. You do not bring your feces into the issue.

I think of your Roger-like ancestors up there in Valhalla looking down at you, seeing you crap into a baggie and just shaking their heads with shame. No, sir, that is unacceptable. The only time a man ever uses feces against another man is if you're naked, covered in somebody's blood, and you have your feces in your hand and you're charging them, preferably while holding the entrails of their firstborn son in your other hand. Any other time is simply inappropriate. No, you don't want to engage in some sort of war of attrition with the douchebags next door.

What is called for here is a level of psychological intimidation. You need to psyop them off the field of battle. Well, I'm here to tell you how I think you can pull that off. Please, God, anybody nice, fast forward now. For this task, Roger, you're going to need a pair of rubber gloves.

A caulk gun for, like, caulking windows, a tube of caulk, a screwdriver, a fuse, and some roadkill. Said roadkill works best if the abdominal cavity is intact. That's pretty much crucial to this whole planning. Stage, is an intact abdomen. I am not advocating hurting any animal, just saying if you find something, it's a way to help biodegrade something a little bit quicker.

You take Screwy Squirrel, and you flip him on his back, and you use the caulk gun to seal off all the... Entrances and exits from said torso. Then, you get the. Fuse, and with the screwdriver, you jam it up the backside, being careful to caulk around the opening to keep it closed. Now, set it out in the sun.

Direct sunlight works best. When the abdomen swells, you've got some methane. Now, this isn't going to guarantee a pyrotechnic show, but you should. Get a good. Place said animal on the front seat, light fuse, leave.

Set action will show the level of commitment you have to enforcing your own personal boundaries. Note that this act may destroy your soul, but I think I can pretty much guarantee you some 20-year-old piece of shit isn't going to piss. On your car door anymore. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions regarding this or any other similar process. I'd be glad to help.

Randy, out. That just sounds messy. Randy, I love you. That's awesome. Thank you.

Thank you. And I haven't, I have yet to give any sort of retort, which I'm not going to do. And I thank you for the advice, but I don't know if my dedication goes that far. Wait, you don't want to finger a dead squirrel? Not today.

Not for that reason. That's just for fun. I'm only on special occasions. Oh, is that unusual? Oh, sorry.

Is that what my neighbor keeps trapping? Squirrels and birds and these little traps he has set all over his yard? More than likely, yes. That's how the serial killers always start. Yeah.

Hurting small animals. Keep that in mind. I do wonder, he does sit outside on his porch swing. He's like 88 and he goes by Captain? But he sits outside on his porch swing with a shotgun.

What's wrong with this? I know, he's the coolest fucking guy I've ever met. I wish he was my granddad. I know, me too. And his wife just recently got out of a mental institution.

She's in her 80s as well. Nice. And every time he sees me, he'll come to the fence and be like, hello, little lady. I'm like, hello, Captain. Catch any squirrels today?

Captain, my Captain. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, yeah, once again, can't thank you enough, Randy. And your recording and editing skills are getting pretty damn impressive, I.

Have to say. So, nice going. I feel my pain, definitely. Awesome. Otherwise let's see um that that is it for the feedback and i've also decided and this comes from there's there's many changes going into effect here but one of which is i'm kind of tired of beating a dead horse here so i'm to the point i'm not really asking for responses anymore i every week we get here and whine about it and complain and probably everybody's just sick of hearing that so If we come in, I'll mention them, I'll read them, I'll play them, but I'm not going to put it out there every week and complain that we didn't get anything.

I'm probably not even going to post the... The, hey, this is what movie you're watching, call in with your thought. You know, if we don't get your two cents, then too bad. We're pretty self- You've been working without it. Yeah, we're pretty self-reliant on giving what we think is important.

And at this point, obviously, that's all we think is important. So we'll just focus on ourselves then. That's what I always do. That's what I'm saying. Well, that's what we've come to do.

It's like it just seemed ridiculous that we would sit here and completely do it ourselves week in and week out and then be like, Don't forget, we want to hear from you guys. And then, you know, nobody wants to play along. So that just seems pointless. So we're going to do what we do and we're going to talk about whatever the hell we want to talk about. If you have a response, hey, you know where to find it.

I'm still probably going to play the message with the email and the phone number. If you want to, go ahead. I'm just, if you wonder why we're not bitching about it every week, hey, there you go. That's why. That's why.

I'm tired of bitching about it. Don't be shy. Just let your. Feelings roll on by. Don't be shy.

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On by, on by, on by. Along the adjustments, I guess we can might only throw it out there. There's several things coming soon. Number one is we're heading up on the massively impressive, in our world anyway, the fact that we made it this far. We're coming up on the big 100th episode.

100th freaking episode. Pretty damned. God, I put up with you guys for that long. That's what I'm saying. Pretty damned amazing.

God, I remember back in the fifth episode. Yeah. I can't remember back that far. Seventh episode. In the fifth episode i was taking a nap it.

Was also in today's episode that was more like hey. We all stayed awake i know every single one of us. Started sleeping until probably around the 50th episode i think. No there's not the 50th because you weren't here. Oh yeah that's right i didn't start i didn't join to like what the 60th episode last week so I don't know.

I feel like I've been doing this forever. Dude, trust me. Don't get anybody. And this is part this is part of of the upcoming adjustment as well number one yeah we're coming up on 100 and that's pretty awesome but at that point we're also i'm leaving it the way it is for now in between here and there to give us a nice round hundred of doing things the same way but at 100 i think we're going to turn a corner Some of which is just because... Yeah, it is a milestone, but it also gives us a nice round number to turn things on and take a left turn and...

Eh, not completely a left turn. Just veer a little bit. Veer. Fork off. Fork off a little bit.

Why don't y'all just fork off, all right? So, yeah, basically, I don't know. Number one, the schedule of recording slash editing is damn near overwhelming. I think the story I was telling you guys was. I can only imagine.

This was last week, and I was like, I got home, I started editing the show, I edited the entire day, I finished and saved that week's episode, moved the computer over like six inches and went to sleep, and got up the next day and went to work. That was my entire day. I slept next to the fucking laptop. It was really sad when I woke up. We love your dedication.

And it's different from waking up next to the laptop after a night of sordid internet porn. No, this was working on editing, for God's sake. Yeah. You didn't wake up to a badly photoshopped version of Kristen Bell on a naked body. Not that night.

Anyway. That's what I did every other night. So, yeah, that, to me, from that end, it will be good to sort of adjust the scheduling from here on out. But, I mean, one of the options in this past week, I was going through a lot of them because we had a lot of upheaval and drama along that, too. And I was questioning the entire show.

One of the options was, well, shit, we can just get rid of, you know, that first half and all the other stuff that we do. And the more I thought about it, I was like, no, you know what? I like that. That is what the show is. That's part of what we are.

I volunteered to leave so that my incredibly obscene presence would no longer be an issue. But once again, people around the world are calling to you by name and telling you you need to be here. We're trying to find other ways to adjust and make it good for everybody. Best way to do that is a ball gag because I can't stop myself from talking shit about people. Hey, what you do with your ball gag at home is up to you.

I'm not saying you need to bring it here, though, because we like hearing your mouth off. Apparently not everybody. Tough luck. They're not here. I'm running the show, damn it.

See, my problem is I forget that people listen to this. Like, I just think I'm talking in a room full of, like, four other people. Yeah, sometimes you have to keep in mind it's not just four people. I can't do that. I can't see those people.

See, I can't do it either. I can't watch what I say. I'm not going to edit my opinions. Well, and that's the other thing is I don't plan on doing that either. I mean, we've had a lot of different takes on what we've said over the last few weeks, if not the entire hundred episodes.

And in the end, I'm just kind of like, this is who we are. This is what we are. I'm an offensive bitch. I'm not going to apologize for it. But I came to the conclusion that as long as we're okay with what we say and we're willing to stay in mind, I'm fine with that.

So if you guys are listening, and that's one of the downfalls of the message boards, is that it doesn't always make it here. So that's what I was going to say to the listeners, is if you guys have a problem with something that we've said, With the exception of Misty. I think the rest of us are willing to defend what we say. I can defend what I said. But you'll be upset.

That's the thing. So it's harder with Misty. Misty, you're going to have to filter it through me. I have to play big brother on this one, but I'll do it because that's what it is. It's like I know how...

Some of the stuff bothers you, so it's coming through me first if you have it, so whatever. Well, seriously. Anybody else, though, I think is willing to at least stand behind what they say and defend what they say. I stand behind. Oh, you will, but I'm just.

I will stand behind what I say. I don't like my shit getting taken out of context. That's what I don't like. I will give it to them to personally address. Misty, I'll give you the option if you'd like to personally address it.

But I think anybody here otherwise is going to... you know, even if no matter how horrible and ridiculous we say, we probably have a reason or we were kidding or we have a text or a tense that we are using then that maybe you're not picking up on or maybe, or maybe we are just being insensitive. And I think if you, well, no, if you bring it up to us, maybe it is something that we just didn't think about. And maybe we'll be like, you know what? You're right. Maybe I shouldn't do that.

You know, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe it is something that needs to be brought to our attention, but we'll never know that if it's just, a post on a forum that, you know, I try to get to as much as I can. But, you know, if you want to make sure it makes its way to us, send us an email or send us, you know, voicemail. Straight up, please. That's, yeah, that's all I've been saying in all those responses.

So we'll leave it at that. But as far as the scheduling, yeah, we're going to adjust things in the upcoming weeks. We may spread out the weekly movie party that we have here and readjust the schedule on that. So It's definitely still coming at you, maybe not quite as frequently as it has been, but that also will free things up with the editing for me that there's also a lot of other stuff I'd like to do and other movies that we brought up that not everybody wants to talk about. Me.

Me. Probably Misty. Not always, but probably. Maybe that'll give everybody a little bit more of a break from Misty. They can't handle it.

It's just too much Misty in a month. It's just too much overload, apparently. Again, everybody likes it, so I'm trying to find a way for you to be here and for the Misty fans to get their fix. But then when we're getting tangented every week, you know, maybe. That's me.

Well, and we're going to give you the Marlena moment. I know, but now. That there's this pressure, I don't have any funny stories. And that's okay then. We can make it a week without your crazy stories.

But if you have them, we're working them in. That's part of it. Again, that's part of what we are as well. And that's half of not taking the first half out. Those crazy tangent stories are what we are.

Yeah, I mean, if you guys were just people that I didn't know outside of here, then it wouldn't be so bad. But, I mean, I only talk to you guys once a week, and I want to tell you these funny stories. That's what I do. I know. I fully well enjoy the stories.

They make me laugh. I think they have their place in our show. They're more entertaining than half the shit I say. You have some. Pretty funny stories too.

Not as good as yours. I just have funny things happen to me. You go out and do stuff. I said at home watch TV or choose your own adventure books. I did not do anything this week at all.

I don't even remember. What was last night? Saturday? Saturday? I believe that was yesterday.

Yeah well i don't i don't think i did anything friday i think i went home and went to. Sleep that's the sad part i don't do yeah aside from editing the show so that's why i didn't i mean there was a point where i was like midway into the mess that i was like fuck it why am i even doing this but then i realized there is a reason i mean i really do enjoy the show itself and and what we do every week and i think Part of it is kind of important. Not what we're saying, but the fact that we're here every week. Oh, I know nothing I say is important. But I think in a way, I mean, again, for all the.

I just thought of something really funny. Oh, Jesus. It's a side story. Okay, so. Now it's time for a Marlena moment.

Okay, so you know how hipsters always wear tight jeans and thick glasses and have their hipster beards and their ironic t-shirts? Sometimes it's like a tie-dyed t-shirt with a wolf on it. Well, I met the inspiration for hipsters everywhere. Uh-oh. But he was not joking.

It was just this regular guy who was very creepy. And I'm a waitress, so I had to wait on him. We almost kicked him out because he kept staring at everyone's butt and just staring. But every time I'd walk by, he'd ask me a question. And at one point, he stopped me and said, Excuse me, miss.

And I was like, Yes. He's like, Do you know where scallops come from? I was like, Sea scallops? And he was like, Yes. He's like, You know those big conch shells?

That's where they come from. I'm like, fascinating. Did not know that. And every time I'd walk by, he would, like, have another random tidbit for me. And I'm just like.

Well, it's useful. I mean, he's just trying to help you out. He was very weird. Do you know what his name was? I don't know.

Why? I'm beginning to think... Again, it's been a while since we've done a freak show, but there's a guy that fits the bill already. At least by the minor description, it also sort of matches up with one of my freaks. So I'll have to check the records here.

I mean, I just like... Could not get over the fact that he looks like every hipster ever, you know, with their, like, oh, I'm going to grow my beard out. It's going to be so hilarious. I'm going to wear this T-shirt that says Father of the Year. It's so funny because I don't actually have any kids.

That is hilarious. Yeah, but he was that guy, but he was serious. Like, there was no irony in his, like. There's no irony in his tight pants. Yeah, there's no irony in his tight pants.

There is no irony in those thick glasses or that lumberjack beard. Yeah, I know several of the people that fit the hipster bill, but they are very hipstery, and I'm fully aware of how aware they are. That's what kills me about hipsters. I could find ten guys that look just like that, but they are like. Kidding.

They're like, look at what I'm wearing. They're like, look at this payback. Isn't it so ironic? That's what kills me about hipsters, because there are several that come in where I work, and I'm just like, I can almost hear them thinking, are you looking at me? Look at what I'm wearing.

Look at this Cosby sweater. Isn't it so deliciously ironic? Look at my funny hair. My hair's funny. Look at it.

It's funny. I'm just like, really? This guy was for real. God. It's so ridiculous.

IRL. In real life. Please don't use this. All right, now we're getting the hate mail from the hipsters. Please, hipsters, send me your hate mail.

Yeah, please. Send us your ironically hateful. Hate mail. But, you know, if you kind of look like a lumberjack. They're massively back.

If yet. If you kind of look like a lumberjack, I might be into that. So something or another. Send pictures tomorrow. You're into Al Borland?

Lumberjack. What? I mean, Al was a handsome guy, wasn't he? Didn't everybody feel that? Only a family feud.

He's no Richard Dawson. Yeah, for real. He's still whatever that one guy was. I liked him. The dead one.

Yes. It's sad that he's the dead one. Isn't his name Ray? Ray something or other. Yeah.

Oh, poor Ray. So sad. Yeah. Yeah. End of my random tangent there.

And that has been another Milena moment. I didn't know if you wanted the little ding. I do. You want a little ring? Oh, no.

I do like to say that. I like sound effects. Random eye blinking sounds. Oh, God. Blink.

Or, like, if someone smiles really big, I like to say ding. So we'll definitely have to look that in as you're speaking. Oh, Lord. So, yeah, that's one of the many adjustments here is just scheduling. But then in the spreading out of our normal, you know, movie parties, it will give us a chance to work in other stuff.

There are, you know, those movies that we might not do otherwise, that this will give us a chance to do a more condensed version, perhaps. It'll give you time to miss me. There you go. That, too. If you're one of those people.

Fonder. What is it? How does it go? Absence makes the heart go fonder. Yeah, some bullshit like that.

Yeah, bullshit like that. So, we will still otherwise keep things coming at a semi-regular pace. I might spread it out so it's not as much coming at that same pace. But, you know, you'll still be getting your weekly fix more or less. So, don't you worry.

You can't escape. It's that easy. Anything else to add? I'm good. Oh.

Alrighty. Now you gotta do the, what's the next two movies? That's another adjustment. Are we not doing two movies? But we're still doing...

Okay, kids, get out your decoder pins. For you members of the Secret Circle. Interesting. Interesting. Decoder pin makes it weird.

Nice. I didn't get the last. So, it is time for the Movie Meltdown Secret Circle reveal of possibly the last time of the next two features. Because that was another one of those. I'm like, the only reason we started doing all these extra ones and trying to work it out so far in advance... was to get feedback ahead of time.

But we really don't get anything. Put that in one movie. I feel like it's... We'll be daredevils. We'll fucking tear this shit up.

We'll do one fucking movie. It's like tying our hands when something new comes in and we want to throw it in. It's like, oh, we got to put it three weeks out because we already planned so far ahead. Or we just fuck up the list anyway. It's like we tell you next week and then next week it's not next week.

Night of the creeps. Night of the creeps got pushed back like a month and a half. So yeah, there's, it seemed kind of pointless doing that too. So we'll tell you what we're planning for next week. I can even throw out some like generalized ones we're working on.

If you want, if you want like a heads up and then I'm still, you know, once again, if you're not following us on Twitter and or Facebook, I'm probably going to put out, you know, Hey, this week we're watching this kind of message. If you want to watch it at a time and give you a heads up to watch it for the sake of not spoiling something. But yeah, You know, other than the, hey, we're putting it out there for feedback once again. Eh, whatever. So, that having been said, next week's feature is Mystery Team.

I won't be here until I'm here. Nice. Real nice. My name's Brian. I like to escape it.

It's going to be awesome and you're missing it. I would never do anything without friendship like poop my pants. That's why you better be here for it. Well, I don't know if I will be or not. I'm going to try.

But Dracula. Dracula-er. Come on. Dracula. People try to correct me when I say Dracula, and I'm like, don't you judge me.

I like to say Dracula. For one of them Draculas, best be killed. See, mine's from Squidbillies. I say what I want to say. Mine's from Grand Adventures of Billy Mayhem.

Dracula, don't want to do that. I know. I get your reference. Look, if you're wrong. But mine's specifically from Squidbillies because I love...

Squidbillies and Butt Trouble is one of the funniest episodes ever. We have the Draculars. He's one of them Draculars. He best be. That is one of my favorite ones.

The one where they all like spring out of it and are circling. Yeah. God, that one's awesome. Between that one and the Swayze Crazy. I'm not sure which one I like best.

That one's pretty awesome too. Those are both classic. Do it. Do it. What you came here to do.

Let's take the damn tree one time. And the following week will, in fact, be our epic 100th episode. Which also, oddly, well, it oddly ties into our Halloween extravaganza. So, you know, I figured that'll be a fun way. It'll be our big.

Are you sitting there shaking your boobies as if that's enough? They're all like, ooh, anyway. No, no, I'm just cold. I thought maybe that's what you're... It's like, are you working it?

It's a little shimmy. Roger's averting his eyes. Working it. No! It's okay.

It's okay. No, I'm just cold. I'm... You think you'd cover him up then? Yeah, but I'm sitting on my hands because my hands are cold.

You're tying it around you like an ascot. I could do that. Well, my shirt got really stretched out because. You had a baby climbing into you. Well, my little niece likes to pull on my shirt and she likes to pull on it and try to put her head down.

I don't know why she does it. You don't know why? She was never breastfed. I don't know why. I think it's inborn in all human beings.

The evilness and the breastfeeding. They're just attracted to breasts. That's all there is to it. Who isn't? I mean, yeah.

Guys, girls. Guys, girls. Everybody kind of likes boobs. Come on, man. My friend at school, his boyfriend, or his longtime partner.

Throws up when he sees boobs. What? Who doesn't like boobs? Even gay guys think boobs are hot. Come on.

My sister covers her husband's eyes. Well, that's because she's weird. Christian. She's super Christian-y, religious-y. She covered her one-year-old daughter's eyes when a shirtless guy was on a commercial.

Oh, my God. She needs help. Her one-year-old daughter? Yeah. When my niece was born.

Covered her eyes. She's weird. I'm telling you. This poor kid is going to be so sheltered and. Oh no, it's going to be backlash.

She's going to be such a mess. She's the daughter of two pastors. She's going to be so messed up. She's the one who went skinny dipping in the baptismal. She's going to be slut.

I'll be the one she calls from jail. That's what Aunt Misty's for. Alright, so yes. In this epic 100th episode, it does fall into our Halloween extravaganza. Candy!

We know we can't have a Halloween episode without candy. I'll eat it until I get sick again, won't I? Yes, you will. We all will. It's tradition at this point.

So to match that, I was also trying to think of a good Halloween-y kind of episode. Nice. While it was cheesy. I like that. When are we not cheesy on this show?

Never cheesy. Oh, speaking of Halloweenies and cheesy, on UHF, Weird Al takes a Twinkie and cuts it open and puts a hot dog in it and covers it in Cheez Whiz. I was like, oh, we should watch that movie and then have that as our food. I don't have to eat it, do I? I eat a lot of crap, but damn, even I'm kind of weirded out by that one.

But anyway, trying to come up with a cool Halloween-y movie to watch. And one fit the bill specifically, well, for two reasons. Number one, its title is Halloween. And number two, I just talked to Tom Adkins. So we're going to watch Halloween 3.

And we'll have our little snippet with Mr. Tom Atkins on his making of the movie. And then we'll all watch it since it won't throw things off. And even Joanie can watch it. Yes.

Even though it would confuse her if she watched any of the other ones because she's still out of the loop. But this one is self-contained. It's its own story. So it won't ruin the series for her. See, I was thinking ahead on that.

She appreciates it. Yeah, we discussed this before. It makes no sense to me. Especially the first one. She just saw Aliens the other day.

I know. She's behind. Behind the times. We'll make her a list. I've never seen any Alien movie.

What? What the hell? I'm serious. I did one for the show. I guess you weren't here yet.

Yeah, you were slacking. We did Alien already. Aliens. Anyway. All right.

So we will wrap it up. And the sad part is I already had this song picked out well before Marlena brought it up. So it's sad that we're both that in tune. I mean, I was originally, you know, we've got the fact that the man liked this week's story so much he named his band after it. That was pretty obvious.

But I was like, well, I'm not just going to play a random song by him because that doesn't tie in. And then I was like, well, hell, he's got one that almost exactly fits at least the personality of this character this week. So, of course, we're talking about Mr. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. And this is The Curse of Millhaven.

About a young girl who is a heartless killer. And also one of my, I have to say, if not my favorite, one of my favorite Nick Cave songs. All right. And now I'm going to have this damn Nick Cave song stuck in my head all day. I've had the Jimmy Ray song stuck in my head.

Are you Jimmy Ray? Who wants to know? Superdork. I love that song. God, that guy was hot.

Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Thanks, guys.

Bye. Bye. I live in a town called Millhaven And it's small and it's mean and it's cold But if you come around just as the sun goes down You can watch the whole thing turn to gold It's around then that I used to go roaming La la la la, la la la la Oh God's children, they all gotta die. My name is Loretta, but I prefer Lottie. I'm closing in.

On my fifteenth year If you think that you've seen a pair of eyes mown green Then you sure haven't seen them around here Well, my hair is a-yeller and I'm always a-comin' La-la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la My mama told me that we all got to die You must have heard about the curse of Mill Haven How lost Christmas Bill Blakey's little boy didn't come home They found him the next week up in One Mile Creek With his head bashed in and his pockets full of stones Well just imagine all the wailing and moaning La la la la, la la la la Even Bill Blakey's boy, he had to die Then Professor O'Rye from Millhaven High Found Neil to his door, his prizeman and terrier The next day the old fool brought little Biko to.

School And we all had to watch. As he buried her Well, here's the eulogy to. Biko, had all the tears flowin. La-la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la. Our little town fell into a state of shock.

A lot of people were saying things that made little sense. The next thing you know, the head of Handyman Joe was found in the fountain of the mayor's residence. Well, if I'll play, can really. Get a small town going. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

Even God's children, they have to die. Then a cruel twist of fate Oh, Mrs. Colgate Was stabbed but the job was not complete Well, the last thing she said Before the cops pronounced her dead Was my killer is Loretta And she lives across the street Oh, twenty cops burst through my door Without even phoning La la la la La la la la The. Young ones and the old ones They all got to die. Yes, it is I, lighting the curse of Mill Haven I've struck horror in the heart of this town Like my eyes ain't green and my hair ain't yellow It's more like the other way around I got a pretty little mouth underneath all the foaming.

La la la la, la la la la. Sooner or later, we all gotta die Since I was no bigger than a weeble They've been saying I was evil That a bed was a boot and I'd fit it That I'm a wicked young lady But I've been trying hard lately Oh, fuck it, I'm a monster, I admit it Well, it makes me so mad That my blood starts a-goin' La-la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la Mama always told me that we all gotta die Well, yeah, I drowned the Bailey kid, stabbed Mrs. Colgate, I admit, did the handyman with his circular saw in his garden shed. But I never crucified little Biko, that was through junior. High school cycles.

Stinky Bohun and his friend with a pumpkin-sized head. I've singed of a lot, now that you've got me going. La-la-la-la, la-la-la-la. Oh, God's children have all got to die. And they're all of the others, all our sisters and brothers You assume were accidents best forgotten Recall the children who broke through the ice on Lake Tahoe Everyone assumed a warning sign that followed them to the bottom Well, they're underneath the house where I do quite a bit of.

Stowing La la la, la la la la. Even twenty little children thought they had to die And the fire in 91 that raised the Bella Vista slum That was the biggest shit fight this country's ever seen Insurance companies ruined, landlords gettin' sued All cause of a wee little girl with a can of gasoline Those flames really roared when the wind started blowin. La la la la, la la la. La Well a rich man and a poor man, they all gotta die Well I confessed to all these crimes and they put me on trial I was laughing when they took me away After the asylum in an old black Mariah Well it ain't home but you know it's better than jail It ain't such a bad old place to have a home in La la la la, la la la la They all got children, they all gotta die Now I got shrinks who will not rest with their endless Rorschach tests I keep telling them that I think they're up to get me They ask me if I feel remorse and I answer why I curse There's so much more I could've done if they'd let me So it's Rorschach and Prozac and everything is groovy La la la la, it's la la la la But all God's children, they all have to die La la la la.

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