Bottoms Up

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Kilowatts of power. What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. I'm Phillip. And we're coming to you live via digital recording from a very strange high school.

That is the Oddity Studios, but more on that later. normally when it's you and I there'll be some third weirdo here and we yammer on about horror movies and that didn't come together this time around we were planning it and then that didn't happen and we were planning an alternate thing and that didn't happen so I don't know this is how things go in the real world trying to put things together is one of the biggest hurdles in making this show is just getting people together in the same place at the same time so First of all, thank you for being here. Oh, thank you for having me. But it also leads to weird scenarios when we're like, well, okay, we don't want to do that. That Nora person's off having a fabulous vacation.

So we can be annoyed at her for that reason. Oh, I am. But that's... But I'm more annoyed that our backup plan fell through. Yeah, that one we're still...

I won't even... We won't reveal it yet because we still kind of want to make it happen later. Oh, I need that to happen. So we'll put that. On the back burner.

But... But then we were left with, well, now what the hell do we do? So I was like, all right, it's so commonplace now that all we talk about is horror. I was like, let's not do horror. And that'll be weird.

It'll just be a weird offshoot of a normal episode if anything on this show is ever normal. I don't think so. Those quotes don't get used much around here. Right. So yeah, for once, we don't necessarily have to talk about anything creepy.

So is there any non-creepy things that you've done or seen? Oh, non-creepy? No. I'm trying to think. I did watch...

I watched an enjoyable movie last weekend and I can't even... Oh yeah, I re-watched Mad Max Fury Road. Nice. So. It's almost overwhelming.

Oh, yeah. Like, I remember recently going, yeah, I want to watch that again because it was so good. And, like, I got into it about 15 minutes. I'm like, Jesus. It's just so nonstop and just in your face.

I watched it on a screen that was larger than a TV, not as big as a movie theater, and I was like, I'm getting queasy here. Yeah, it's just a lot to deal with. I love it, but, man, I forget until I'm into it again. I'm like, this is just so Non-stop craziness. Right.

Well, mine. I'm kind of glad this happened the way it did because I finished and I was like, man, I really want to talk about this. Except it's not technically horror, so I guess I can't talk about it on the next episode. I mean, as much as I straddle that line anyway every episode, but I was like, this definitely... And then as I went into it today, I was like, well, good.

Now I can talk about it. And I was like, well, you know, a lot of people will probably still consider this creepy. And the fact I almost posted something about it because I finished the weekend and I was like, huh, you know, most people would be weirded out that I just watched Head twice this weekend. Oh, the monkeys. The monkeys.

Yeah. Again, sounds like I'm watching porn. But no, it actually was the monkeys full length feature show. Very different offshoot type of thing than the show. I'm impressed you sat through it not just once, but twice.

Well. Because it is a struggle bus of a movie. See? It's weird. And that's the thing.

This is how... Because it's weird that I'd never seen it because it was presented to me years ago. And it was like... I was familiar enough with the show at the time. I can get back to that later.

But the way it was presented to me, this guy I used to work with, and like... we watched a lot of the same stuff and he brought up that he like, he's like, Oh, have you seen it? And he's like, well, let me just put it into perspective how it's not the show. You know, that footage of that guy getting shot in the head. Well, it's in it a whole lot. I don't remember that.

It's the, like the shot from Vietnam. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. As he said it, it came to my mind.

It's one of those images that doesn't really leave once it's in your head. Once you've seen that image, you're like, Ooh, yep, that's real. So it, It is one of those scenes because they do that weird like split screen because it was the 70s and they were really thrilled with that. But it does it like it breaks it down into like 30 images on the screen. And the last one it goes one, two, three.

And it does it like 29 times in front of your face of that guy getting shot in the head. And I'm like, yeah, this is not what they were putting on the TV show. Oh, no. So I wanted to get around to watching it anyway because I had that presented to me so many years ago. And then still, I was like, why haven't I seen it?

Just for movie dork completist, you know. Plus, I genuinely like the monkeys. I enjoy the monkeys. The monkeys get a lot of shit. And I'm like, you know, they're as solid a band as anybody at that time.

And people like to call them out for not being a real band. I was like, half of the band were legit musicians that had been working their whole life up until then. Yeah, the other half were actors. But I'm not pretending that they weren't put together for this very specific purpose. They were.

They were. But, you know, half of them were genuine, like, songwriters and, like, trained musicians. I don't know. Well, and they had, their songwriting team was incredible because you had, like, Carole King and Neil Diamond and a lot of other big acts. Even at the time, like, as I said, my show, like, I was right at the right, I wasn't there the first time, obviously.

I'm old, but I'm not that old. But I was right at that, I recently gave credit to MTV, and I'm like, For so many reasons. In that 15 to 20 year span, MTV did so many things that massively changed the industry. Oh, yeah. And one of the, like, I guess lesser ones was just bringing back the Monkees TV show.

And, like, they played it on MTV. Eventually, it got rolled over to VH1. But, like, initially, they put it on, like, this is, like, one of our primetime shows. Yeah. Like, you know, they were just, like.

We got rights to this. We own Nickelodeon and Nick at Night and whatever the hell else we want to run. And they picked The Monkees because it kind of fit them as far as attitude and music. So they started running it like a regular show. And I watched those episodes and was like, this is a hell of a lot of fun.

It is a lot of fun. And it was interesting that it worked in a music video every episode. When there wasn't a music video channel, it more than... was ahead of that wave of, you know, on MTV many, many years later, but like it was doing that in the late sixties. So like, that's really ahead of its time for that scale of, of just every week. And it wasn't just a song performance.

It was cut into a music video essentially at the end of every episode. So that, I don't know, like I was always kind of impressed with how ahead of the curve it was from that angle. but also how just weird and bizarre. Their shit was. It was the first sitcom, I found this out recently, first sitcom to use a lot of the camera techniques that are now cliche in TV, but it was never seen before on TV. Well, and they always had, which no surprise on this, especially if you listen to our other episodes, To me, as I watch it now, I'm like, it's just kind of like live action Scooby-Doo.

Yeah. Sometimes they're solving mysteries. That's give or take. But it's so silly and they get into these crazy adventures that's almost like an animated cartoon type of wacky show. But they brought in live actors to do it.

But that's the thing. Even as a kid watching it that first time, I'm like... mike is cool oh yeah and i was like he was just so like deadpan and like he was ahead of all the jokes and like everybody else got to be the dumb characters but usually it wasn't mike mike was always kind of like the the one making the weird comments along the way and being a smart ass so it's like i always liked him and then moving forward now when i started listening to their music again i'm like he was the songwriter like he was writing songs before he even got involved with the monkeys and like Some of their best stuff, I feel like, is written by him. So, yeah, I always give him credit as a songwriter. Peter could play every freaking instrument.

He was a classically trained musician. Well, they put out an album in 67 called Headquarters, which was they had to fight to be allowed, number one, to perform on it, and number two, to put their own songs on it. And it is. Amazingly good. Like, if I didn't know who the Monkees were and somebody put it on for me, I would be like, this is just a good record.

And it was the number two record of the year. It was only knocked off the charts by Sgt. Pepper. Yeah. Which, again, like, when you're... fighting against the Beatles in their peak area and like kind of holding their own for something that people still treated like a joke.

Yeah. Like something that wasn't real, which again, they initially weren't, but they became a band whether they liked it or not. Like they were just along the way. They're like, well, we're going to put out these albums anyway. So too bad.

Like if you guys want to tour, that's up to you. And even then they barely got a chance to. So that was movie to the movie. Like that is, I was so... And still, there's so many other weird, crazy nonsense things that go on in that movie.

But pretty early on, you get that live performance of Circle Sky. Yes. Which is, again, written by Mike. And it is so good. It is not typical Monkees. no and even it's just like it's a solid rock song.

Even the opening song that porpoise song is not what you expect from. It's weird but it's yeah it's not the rocker but no circle sky is so good and like if you're watching that and then that's what brought me back around to the second time because i i ended up finding a copy of it and it was one of the ones that had commentary and then i looked through it and i was like wait it rattled off all of It was commentary with all four of the monkeys. Oh, wow. And I was like, well, so once I got into it, it's not like they were all in the same room watching it. Yeah.

They went to each one individually. They all did commentary, and they cut it all together. So you get, I guess, the most interesting comments and stories along the way, but from all four of them. So I'm like, I kind of want to hear that. Maybe more than watching the movie.

After I'd already gone through the movie, I was like, and truthfully, it is arguably even more fun to watch it and just sort of hear them go, well, here's what was going on with this. And like, and, and Mike more than all of them is kind of like, he's the most grown up about it. Like, you know, he like really came around once he like got out of monkey business and literally he left the whole band behind for a long time and like just got into producing and was like doing tons of other stuff. And like listening to him tell stories of like, Because he also kind of came off like a jerk. Yeah.

When you see, like, when they show those behind-the-scenes stuff of just him being him, he was always kind of a dick to the, like, people running the camera and the guys that are, like, talking to him off-screen. There was always stuff that I'm like, I don't know if you want to hang out with Mike. And it's funny, listening to him tell stories, he's like, he didn't know. Like, he was such, still, like, kind of a dumb kid coming into the industry. So he's like, half of these stories is like, yeah, I didn't know what was going on.

I was like, so... Listening to him be the grown up and like call himself out for like he was kind of being an asshole because he was covering for the fact that he didn't know what the hell was going on. Like he was still a dumb kid and his way to overcompensate was just be like, screw you guys. So I can see that. That's way more interesting.

But all of them had really cool stuff to say. But back to Circle Sky, he said, this is probably the best we ever were, like as a band, because half the time, again, in studio, they're bringing other people to play instruments half the time. Then once you go out on them on tour, like they barely ever had a chance to rehearse, he said, because it was so constant and they were still shooting the show half the time. So it's like they really didn't even get a chance to rehearse and be good. They just went out there and would wing it and try to make the best of it they could.

But he said when they shot the movie, again, I guess you have more budget by that time. They were also out of the shooting schedule of the show. I was going to say, I think the show had been canceled for a year or so. Yeah, it was already kind of done. And then on top of that, the director was just like, we can't do it any other way.

You have to go in and we want to shoot this for real as a concert. And they were like, well, if we're going to do that, we need to get on this song. So they rehearsed the hell out of that song. So what you get is literally the live version of them playing that song. And it's better.

Like, I went back this last week. I listened to the soundtrack album in the studio, and it's just not as energetic. It's, like, way more low-key. And I'm like, that kind of ruins the spirit of the song. It's so cool in.

The live version. So, yeah, I don't know. That won me over at the beginning. And then as it goes on, it's the weirdest. It's so weird.

It's so weird. But, I mean, I guess as it... I was trying to compare it. I'm like, it's not the fun goofiness of the show, but it's equally as random. So it's like, it is the most weird segmented thing.

And every five minutes it becomes another thing. And like, it barely follows any real, again, the only through line is the fact that they constantly break that fourth wall and they're like, hey guys, we're shooting a movie. And they walk through the background of a set and they'll see you out on the studio. So the real world is the only real through line of them like, hey, we're making this weird movie. But there's so many weird bits that I'm just like, I don't even know what you guys are going for.

Right. With some of that, I'm like, some of it, it's pretty obvious because it's like, okay, you're making commentary on how you were treated and how you were perceived. And then some of it, it's like, okay, this is a commentary on Vietnam. Okay, I'm down with that. And then some of it, I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about here.

Again, I think they were just, they were kind of a weird artsy type of project anyway. So I think sometimes it was just, this is avant-garde. We're being weird. Especially then once you find out who wrote it and was producing it. Yeah.

If you're not familiar with it, it was written, well, co-written by And I think produced. And really the only reason I feel like that movie got made was Jack Nicholson. Yeah. A very young Jack Nicholson is behind the movie head. Was it before or after Easy Rider?

This is the thing I realized. Because one of those bits, I don't know how well you remember it if you've been a while. But in the one where they're doing like the war scene, which again, I guess weird Vietnam commentary. But like. Mickey doesn't want to wear a helmet.

And then the other guy goes and gets the football helmet off a guy. And it's a big gold ridiculous looking football helmet. I'm like, that's the whole bit from Jack Nicholson in Easy Rider. It's him wearing that gold helmet. So I'm like, is it the same helmet?

It has to be like its own inside joke, if nothing else. But I was like, is it even the same helmet? Because it kind of looks like it actually. So then I was like, well, which was first? So technically...

Easy Rider came out after Head, but they had to be shooting it exactly... Because I was looking at the shooting schedule. I was like, this is at the same time. So, like, Jack must have been, like, over here making Head and then would go shoot his scenes around that same time. So much so that when they do one of those break the scene and...

At one point, Peter's like, oh, I don't think I should do that. And he starts talking. And the director comes in. One of the people walking by is Dennis Hopper. Dennis Hopper.

Oh, Dennis Hopper's in it too? Yeah. Because I know you see Jack Nicholson for like a second. And he starts talking. But you almost have to slow it down.

Again, I didn't even notice it the first time. In the commentary, they're like, there goes Dennis Hopper. And I was like, oh, shit, I backed up. He's in the freaking costume from Easy Rider. So they had to be shooting simultaneously, basically. and just heading over there when they needed to do head stuff.

And I don't know, but yeah, it is weird. Once you overlay that on top of it and whatever weird commentary young Jack Nicholson wanted to be putting into this. So like that comes into play. Very strange. Very, very strange.

But I will say it's, it's worth the commentary. The commentary is pretty interesting because again, they're all much older by the time they got around to doing this version of the commentary track. So, You get a lot more reflection on it. If it would have been at the time, it probably would have been just a bunch of four goofballs being like, I remember when we shot this scene. But they have a lot more of reflectiveness of their whole career and what was going on with this movie and what it means compared to now.

So yeah, it's pretty interesting. It's one of those movies that I would recommend. It's not for everybody. It's definitely not for everybody. I would recommend it to movie geeks and music geeks everywhere.

Just to say that I have seen this now. That was kind of why I wanted it. Again, as much as I like the band, I still was like, I think more for the experience, I need to go ahead and check this off my list as a geek. I'm definitely glad I've seen it, but even more so, yeah, I think the commentary track was way more interesting than the movie. I first became aware of it, I think I was probably in high school and saw it at the, again, old timey person talk but saw it at the video store and thought okay well that this makes sense that they would make a movie because that's what rock stars did but then the beatles had several more movies and then by the time i finally got around to watch and i i'd even heard over the years that it's like oh this is not like the tv show yeah that's what i'd always heard but then somebody told me well jack nicholson co-wrote it and i knew that he was a loose cannon in the 60s definitely.

Back in the day he And was one of those people who's like, whatever you got, I'm going to rebel against it. He's an anti-establishment, especially in the 70s, kind of a dude. But he was... he he's good at what he does yeah he uh he's great in one flew over the cuckoo's nest good and easy rider fantastic in the last detail and so it's all around that same time period so i'm like well you know he was young and full of energy so let's see what we got and i watched it and i'm like i don't know what Even having been warned that it's not your typical movie and it's not typical monkeys, I was still not prepared. It's definitely not. But again, it's just, if nothing else, for movie geeks, it is that time capsule of like, they're literally shooting this movie on the next lot over or wherever the hell they were shooting Easy Rider, but I'm like, that's going to revolutionize the film industry.

That is almost the dividing point of when Independent Cinema came along. Oh, yeah. When studios went, oh... I guess we've got to start letting these weird hippies make movies, too. That's when they started letting young people make movies.

Young people make movies and realize, well, we can do this without as much of an investment. Instead of making these huge, big-budget, old-timey movies, we can give you a handful of, you know, here's a couple million bucks. Like, go make your dumb movie. And, like, oh, wait, it made a whole lot of money. So, like, suddenly you get money involved and the studios are like, oh, maybe we will let these kids make some movies.

Yeah. Yeah, it definitely changed so much of it. So to have this as like a companion piece that like, so while they're over there doing this, this is also going on, but this is being funded by a much bigger, more studio run. So it's got a huge budget for that type of movie at the time. But at the same time, I'm like, it's also so weird.

You can't believe a studio was involved in this. Like how it came to be, I don't know, because it's still got a good size budget for this type of thing. But it's so random and nonsensical that I'm like, what studio head was just like, all right, I guess just let them finish this. They're not going to go away until we make a movie. Yeah.

I don't get it. But I'm glad I've seen it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's definitely a check off your list kind of movie.

Again, I think the commentary is kind of even better. See, I need to watch it again just for that. It's definitely worth listening to the commentary. yep so that was my weird thing and i was like it seems weird enough that i watched it once but sitting through it a second time was an even more enlightening experience well. It makes total sense when you said commentary because i was like i don't. Know second time in a row that's the thing like within a day i watched both times and i was just like yeah by itself again i don't know i would have been back but with the commentary it's a whole different experience so that was pretty fun.

All right. Are you ready to get into the mood? I think I am. It's time for Sofa Theater. Could the ugly, untalented gays please report to the principal's office?

Guess that's you guys. Tonight is our night. We're getting in the cooch. I'm going to talk to Brittany. You get the out of Isabel.

What would I say? Hey, girl, how's your boyfriend? How's his. Penis? I'm going to expel you both for committing a crime against Jeff.

Get out of the car. You can't tell me what to do. Get out of. The freaking car. We were just practicing for our self-defense club.

It's like a fight club? Yes. Just stay in your lane until you're munching beaver at Westland. Yes, sir. What's your plan here?

Jeff is psychotic and they're picking on the weak and defenseless. So we teach a bunch of girls how to defend themselves. They are grateful to us. Adrenaline is flowing. Next thing you know, Isabel and Brittany are kissing us on the mouth.

You can be our club advisor. You know, my mom did say I need to pick up a hobby. Welcome to our fucking fight club. Let's get it poppin' in this motherfucker. I want that trophy.

To have a safe space like this, it means a lot to people. I'm gonna finally reverse stalk my stalker. Yeah! I'll be able to kill my stepdad. Awesome.

You seem so supportive of women. Especially the hot ones. Man-made therapy. Are you cheating on me? No!

I literally saw you yesterday. Show nerd, I fucked your mom! We are literally at the bottom. We have nowhere to go but up. Your club is over.

They deserve a shot at showing everybody how fucking cool they are. Let's go fuck up some football players. I won that trophy. You created a fight club to get some coochie. You don't even know how to work that thing.

I know y'all ain't tickling the pearl. I just don't know if you're supposed to be talking to us like that, just like as a teacher. Chill out what you're yelling for lay back it's all been done before and if you could only let it be you will see i like you the way you are when we're driving in your car and you're talking. To me one-on-one But you've become somebody else around everyone else. You're washing your.

Back like you can't relax. You're trying to be cool. You look like a fool to me. Tell me why'd you have to go and make things so complicated? See the way you're acting.

Like you're somebody else gets me frustrated. Well, once again, we were going very different than our usual trips down horror lane, creepy as they may be. So since we didn't have a specific direction, I was like, you know, We never do comedy, or rarely. I mean, we do some horror comedies, but they're their own weird subcategory. The Dead Meat or whatever we would just watch.

But just, yeah, I was like, our recent cow movie, that was kind of a horror comedy. What was that called? Was it Dead Meat? The Mad. The Mad.

Wow, I was way off. But the, yeah, so we definitely get some comedy in, but we rarely, and I've said this to you in the past, like, I also usually don't care about most modern comedy. I like comedies, but when I think of the ones I like, they're all from, like, 30 years ago. Right, right, right. Or longer.

Like, it's rare that there's a common, one that normal people out on the street that have seen recent movie that people consider a comedy that I'm like, yeah, that was great. It's rare that I have that. I'm sitting here trying to think what the most recent big budget mainstream Hollywood comedy is that I've watched. Mean Girls is the only thing I can think of. There you go.

That's how old now? Yeah. It's not really a recent movie anymore. Same thing when I think like, oh, you know, like Game Night. I was really happy with Game Night.

That's already been a long time. That's been a while. So I'm like, yeah, so nothing since then? I remember we watched Mystery Team. I really liked that.

What was that, like 12 to 15 years ago? Like, Mystery Team's really good, by the way. I haven't seen that one. Yeah, that's worth watching. But again, not really recent.

So, yeah. Comedies. I like them, but it's rare that I run into new ones that I'm excited about. And then lately I've heard so much about this movie that I was like, you know, if we got nothing specific to watch, it's a good excuse for me to watch this one. So, that's what brings us to this Sofa Theater feature is Bottoms.

The year is 2023. The director is Emma Selgeman. And the plot, according to IMDb, two unpopular queer high school students start a fight club to have sex before graduation. That's pretty accurate. Yeah, that's...

So with that spoiler alert, we will, I'm sure, run the hell out of this. And it is definitely worth seeing, so go seek it out. You know, I feel like it's weird that we watched what is. I hate to use the term, but I guess some people might call it a chick movie, and our resident chick is not here. I did think it was interesting as we got into this because I would like to hear her take on it.

I would love to hear her take on it. But once again, it's not horror, so usually the only time we're all three here is because we're watching horror. So I don't know. Because I feel like the characters, I do feel like this is a female empowerment movie. Definitely.

Definitely. Which I want everyone to know I say that with all respect. We're on the good side of the Barbie people. For now. Because in a year that, yeah, we had so many people lose their shit because Barbie was popular.

Yeah. And I'm like, no, I'm not on that side. You guys can be pissy about it if you want. Yeah. So, yeah, we're not on that side of that.

But I also feel like our lead characters were... Painfully realistic. But I'm also saying that from a man's point of view, and I would love to hear a woman's take on this. Definitely. But this was, as I watched it, and I was like, yeah, I would like to hear what she has to say about it.

Also, this is a, as in stated in this, a very queer friendly movie. Yeah. In its own way. Everybody gets beat up, but still like the characters themselves. But as they point out several times in the movie, nobody, none of the characters got beat up because they're queer.

Yeah. So I was happy to see that. Yeah. So it's like that in and of itself is a different category that we don't have a lot of representation, but you know, that's not our fault. Feel free to join the show.

But as I got into it, I was like, well, even though there are these two big areas that we don't fall into, I was like, that's why I think this movie works so well is because it doesn't matter. Like it's not asking you to like it because of these other categories. It's just a good comedy. And that should be like, that is why it should be universally like praised because it's just freaking funny. Well, on that, and yeah, it is very funny, but on that topic, one thing that I liked is that apart from the two main characters who they point out right away are gay or lesbians, they don't even bring that up with any of the others.

Except for one point where it is important to the plot to know that she's straight. Or eventually almost everyone's gay. Yeah. As it unfolds, it was like, maybe that's just the takeaway. You might as well just Consider your options.

Yeah. So, I mean, I spent half the movie. I've known Rachel Sennett is, and I was going to look at her list and try to figure out when, because I've known who she is for years. Yeah. And, like, I know she worked with this director on Shiva Baby, so, like, she's been doing movies.

I remember her sitcom run was probably the most screen time I've seen of her. What sitcom was that? Now I better look and see because that's the sad thing is like she was just it was such a weird like standard regular old sitcom. And then she just got to be like the daughter. So everything was like so normal sitcom.

It was so weird watching her like. just kind of have to play normal, like knowing her sense of humor, which comes through very heavily in this movie. So try to imagine her in a regular network, half hour sitcom scenario. It's like, and where she's not the lead. So she really doesn't even have much to do in it. She's just there to have funny one-liners every once in a while.

But yeah, you got to pay your dues. I mean, it was, it was entertaining, but so yeah, that was call your mother. which was the Kira Sedgwick fronted sitcom. And it was, as that type of thing goes, it was fun. It was, you know, her and Joey Bragg are the siblings and like they didn't live with their mother and then their mother moves out to LA to be near them. And then they have to put up with their mom as sort of grownups, which the other thing is weird because she's playing like a grownup adult, obviously in her mid twenties woman on that sitcom.

And I was just like, Wait, are they in high school? Yeah. So it was kind of hard for me to back up and be like, both these leads are easily in their mid-20s. But, I mean, that's every movie, every TV show. Everybody in high school is played by 28-year-olds.

Right. So it's not unusual. It's just one of those I'd gotten used to her being not a high schooler, so I had to back it up a little bit and be like, oh, well, whatever. Right. Out of context, I guess I could buy it.

Neither of them look old. They just don't seem like high schoolers. Right. No, I'm looking at the pictures from the show and I'm like, man. Yeah, it's very sitcom-y and did not last.

I think it only got that one season. But that was probably the most mainstream thing. But I've known of her mostly Instagram. Oh, really? If you follow her on Instagram, and I feel like it's a very, speaking of a nice feminist agenda...

I feel like her entire Instagram feed is just baiting idiots. On the internet. Okay. Because it's everything she does, like a normal Hollywood person going out in town, going on parties, going to do fun, cool stuff. And she's usually dressed awesome or looks, again, she's mighty attractive.

So this is her photo. She looks that way. Almost never in the entire run of her Instagram is she smiling. Every shot, no matter how cool a thing she's doing, no matter how awesome a dress she's wearing, just dead face. That's great.

And I'm like, I can see the comments coming through. Oh, yeah. Why don't you smile? I swear it has to be. Because I kept looking at them going, all right, this is a conscious choice.

After a few scrolls through, I was like, this is a very conscious decision to put this out there. That is great. It has to just be messing with dumb, mostly guys on the internet. Especially in this movie, there is a shot. The poster?

Yeah, the poster. It says, if you're a woman, smile. You look pretty or something. I think I wrote it down. Let me see.

Oh, let's see. What the hell did that poster say? It just says that she walks by in the hallway. You're prettier when you smile. Oh, is that what it says?

Okay. I was like, wow. I wonder who came up with that poster. Yeah. Considering she wrote this movie, and that's kind of her entire side story. internet business not smiling for asshole dudes.

Tons of great one-liners like that though. I feel like that's maybe the well it's what i go to with any good comedy it's like if there's something that i really do like as a comedy it's not always and actually most of the time it's not the big set pieces or crazy wacky stuff it's just the weird one-off lines between characters that i'm like okay, that was good, and wasn't even paused for a laugh moment. It was so quick. We already went on to the next thing, but I was like, that's my favorite part right there. Well, I love, oh, there were so many lines in this movie where I was like, nope, that's my favorite.

No, that's my favorite. And then 30 seconds later, we'd be on to something else. Yeah, on comedy, I love having those fast quips that, sometimes later, you're like, wait a minute. I do want to go back and watch it again just to catch the other ones. Like, there's so many.

It's so rapid fire that I'm like, there's ones that have to be, like, getting lost in the shuffle there. So, yeah, I think I want to go watch it again just for the one-liners. Oh, man. So, the other thing I guess we should address is the fact that, as previously hinted at, it's almost in a fictional universe. In what way?

It's in its own. Little, like. Unrealistic, filtered world where, I mean, the football douches always wear their uniforms. I was going to bring that up. At all times, everywhere.

I was going to mention that. I was like, it's its own dumb universe that like, It's just making fun of everybody. So, like, again, it's not... I didn't know that going in. Like, I kind of heard it was a little different, but I didn't go in expecting.

Because then later, I think the director said, like, I want to make my own not-a-teen movie, basically. Like, that ridiculous level of high school where nobody... really behaves you know real world type we just take the jokes and the uh caricatures of these dumb people and just turn it up to 11 so like that's what they were going for and like as you get in you don't notice it like not another teen movie is so over the top that like immediately you're like oh it's one of those movies this one eases their way in and you're just like okay wait it takes a few times of different things that you're like what are they doing in this movie right Yeah, it becomes its own crazy universe that I'm like, all right.

Once again, like the poster in the background. I'm like, that's not normal. That's them making the jokes within the universe that they create here. Like, yeah, there's little subtle touches there and sometimes not so subtle that are kind of awesome. I mean, I'm trying to figure out what order to go into because there's so many.

So many not real world scenario or even things that it's like, okay, if this were a real world situation, this would be a huge red flag. Or the fact that, I mean, just basic dialogue. Everybody curses nonstop. And I'm like, within dumb friend groups, yeah, most high school movies are like that. But when they're talking to teachers, when they're giving a public address over the loudspeaker.

When they're saying it over the morning announcement. When they're talking to people in front of the whole gym. Doesn't matter. Just F-bombs right and left. The most god-awful things will be said and nobody blinks.

Nobody cares. Nobody thinks anything about it. Even the dumb grown-ups, which there are only a handful. But, like, they don't ever respond and are usually also doing it. So, that, again, it was just sort of like, this is its own little skewed universe here.

I have to tell you, Mr. G may be one of my favorite teachers in any movie ever. And just the fact that his name is Mr. G. Well, again, that's one of those that I feel like probably hits different with other people.

Sure. Because... Initially, I don't think I would have known who he was, period. Again, they're pulling in a celebrity, I guess. Right.

If you're the right person. I'm assuming neither of us are that person. I didn't realize until the end credits rolled who he was. I mean, I only knew because I wouldn't have known anything. I would have maybe suspected just because he carries himself like he's an athlete.

Right. But I only knew because I was like, isn't that guy from Stars on Mars? which i only half watched again because it was so ridiculous and they were putting on episodes during the writer's strike when everything else was old and reruns yeah it was one of the few new things and i was like I don't like Ariel Winter. I guess I'll see what's going on on this. And he was like one of the main guys. And I was just like, that's the only thing that clicked in my head.

So that's the only. There's my sports go-to. The guy from Stars on Mars. And I'm pretty sure he was a football guy on there. So that's probably why they brought him in to be this coach slash teacher.

I don't even think I know anything. Oh, wow. I'm looking at photos from Stars on Mars. Oh, yeah. It's dumb.

Like, it is, it's an interesting idea, but they even, within the context of that idea, didn't really take it seriously. Yeah. It's, I don't have any patience for reality shows, but I occasionally make exception for celebrity reality shows. Okay. Only because I like some of the celebrities, so I want to see them and what they do in this dumb stuff.

Okay, I do remember the promos for this now, and I remember thinking, well, they're not going to actually be on Mars. I don't give a shit, so. That's also true. Occasionally, they would blow things up, which I was surprised. I don't know how.

I always picture him with a flamethrower. Yeah, I don't know how they found a way to make sure they weren't actually going to blow up celebrities. But again, usually it's low end. No offense to Ariel Winter. But the rest of them were like, when half the people on these, I'm using quotes now, celebrity shows, I don't know who the hell they are.

Because they're always from other reality shows. And I'm like, I don't count that. I don't know who you guys are. So you don't really count as celebrities. I know.

That's just cranky old man talking. Yeah. New kids watch reality shows just like regular shows. I understand. I just don't agree with it.

Anyway, that's the only reason I knew who that guy was. Yeah. Stars on Mars. He is pretty damn funny. And the notes say most of his lines were improvised, which I totally buy.

I believe that based on the little, they showed you the extra scenes. At the end. Yeah, the end where they're just him just saying whatever. I feel like there was a lot of that going on on this set probably. No offense to the writer, which is also our lead, and the director.

Not that they didn't write an amazing script because it is pretty awesome, but I feel like there was room for some ad-libbing. My only critique of the script was there's a couple of scenes where some of the dialogue goes on a little too long that I found myself losing interest. But other than that, I mean, when we get into the one-liners and the put-downs... Yeah. Well, and just the commitment to dorkiness.

Oh, yeah. As we got into these two, I was just... Because they're already like, they're still unpopular. I'm like, look, you're both adorable. Don't even pretend.

And then as you get into it, you're like, oh, no. You two are a freaking mess. When they're both trying to talk to the cool girls, I'm just like, wow, this is painful. And that's coming from me. Well, that's...

That's where I said this felt realistic because having been, okay, admittedly not a teenage lesbian, but as a teenage boy and even as an adult man. It doesn't get any better. I still find myself having those conversations and it's like, oh. here's how I try to start a conversation with a girl. Nope, that was bad. And that's why I was like, I don't think it should be something that only girls, only queer people are going to talk about it.

I was like, I think it's so well done because it's universal enough that like that stuff is like side issues that come up later. But I'm like, for the most part, it's like, these are our two characters. By the way, they're super dorks. And I'm like, all right, I can get on board with this. So yeah, I think that, is so accurately portrayed.

Yeah. Even if the dialogue itself gets very ridiculous sometimes, the level of commitment to their dorkiness is pretty impressive. It's up there. Although I did have an issue with the opening scene of the movie. She's wearing her arms in a sling.

And then all of a sudden, what is I assume the next day, no sling. And they don't address why. I did have that same... like was she actually when they were shooting yeah and also she was holding it wrong like why was it at a weird angle like normally it's up here you can't see at home but you keep it kind of parallel where hers was like. Kind of cranked at a weird. Sideways angle the whole time like she was purposely trying to do it I was like is it supposed to be like that and why is it in a sling and it leads to the whole weird backstory kind of but then we never address why it just goes away or what it was actually from or i don't know so yeah i agree that that's a weird little all you had to do was like work in a way to bridge those two but we don't really get that.

Very strange but yeah i could tell um yeah during the opening scene where they're in the girl's bedroom and they're just talking about oh we're gonna get laid and you know we're finally gonna get. Laid and It's very 80s comedy. It was very 80s comedy, but I was like, this is going to be an interesting take on Superbad, which I thought was a great movie anyway. And at the time, the more realistic of the teenagers just trying to get laid movie. But this one turned out to be Superbad meets Fight Club.

Yeah. And at first I thought, well, it won't be exactly like Fight Club. But then as we get into it and they're building bombs. It's a little closer, yeah, than you might expect. The other one I was thinking, and maybe this is a little too go-to.

Because, I guess, two female leads and one of them is gay. And so, like, Booksmart, it has a very... Which, that's maybe my other most recent. Like, I really liked Booksmart. And I thought it was, again, presenting really interesting characters.

And, like, they were dealing with stuff in their own weird way. It just was a little more grounded to a regular high school. Not our fictional crazy world. Still pretty weird. But, yeah.

So, that was another one that I was like, it's a little Booksmart. But I'm like, that's not a... That's not a bad thing. Booksmart was pretty damn smart as a screenplay itself. I'm fine with pulling from all of these things.

Oh, sure. No, I got no problem with that. Which is kind of what I think. It is almost the joke of like, well, we're going to make fun of this dumb 80s idea of like, all we want to do is get laid. So much so that it seems ridiculous by the time we get to the big reveal at the end.

So wait, even when the girl was like, the girlfriend's mad, I'm like, yeah, duh. I'm like, right? Like, first of all, anybody, that's their goal in life. But especially a dumb high school kid. Like, duh.

Of course they wanted to get laid. So I was just like, is that what you guys are going to get mad about? Yeah. It's like, duh. Everybody's looking for that.

So, yeah. Well, it was refreshing to see that, uh, Be focused on women instead of guys. Definitely 80s, that's all it was. Guys getting laid, guys getting laid. Yeah, whatever.

Women, from what I have been told, have needs too. I don't know. I think quite a. Lot, actually. Depending on who you talk to.

I've heard a lot of very frank discussions on this sort of matter. Do you have their phone numbers? Some of them, maybe. I don't know that any of them want to hear from me. That's true of everyone at those points.

I'm fine with it. But I take that into account. I'm like, yeah, I've Again, you will get some of the most gory details of things going down from women. Oh, yeah, yeah. Guys just try to, like, pull the I'm super cool move and, like, here's what I did and nailed this girl, whatever.

But girls get into the details. Yeah, excruciating details. Yep, I have definitely heard some stories. So this does not surprise me from that angle, but you don't always see it in films. I kind of liked it from that.

I know a girl who's told me many stories that end with me going, you know, when you started telling me this, I thought this is awesome. And then you got to the end and I'm like, I feel so bad about this person that I'm never going to meet that you just told me all about. Sometimes not even relationship-y, which I've definitely got a lot of those. But there was one, who shall remain nameless, that I was around a lot, who would every time after her trip to the gynecologist would give me the rundown, very detailed, with specific, sometimes motion specifics. I'm using my hand now and you don't want to see what I'm doing.

But she would somehow, sometimes describe a finishing move that the doctor would use that she felt was a little uncalled for. So, yeah, sometimes I was like, you know, it's kind of weird that you tell me this, but I'm okay with it. I like that we're this comfortable that you can go down that road. Sure. Yeah, I'm not real squeamish when it comes to these discussions.

I'm fine with it. It's not that I'm squeamish about it necessarily. I just have to wonder if I just all of a sudden launched into my own story unprovoked, which most of the stories I hear are unprovoked. Yeah. Mine are usually coming this way.

That's why I especially to that person. I usually refer to myself as her therapist. And I was like, all right, well, we've done pretty good today. We'll pick back up next time and see if we can get a little deeper into this and figure out what's really. Yeah, I tried to.

She wouldn't pay it, but I feel like my time is worth a lot of money. Nobody agrees. But yeah, I do like that they very quickly get into that mode of just like, yeah, we don't care. Right. We're going to write this the way that we talk to each other and you guys are along for the ride.

No, I love that. Yeah. I think that's what we need in general in screenwriting. That is one I was going to address is definitely one more reason to, again, most of your Barbie-hating guys out there are going to feel differently, but I'm like, this is why you need other people writing film, directing film, like, creating film, because you get stuff that you're not going to get any other time, place. When they get to the scene sitting around, they're like, okay, so who's been raped?

I was like, yeah, a guy's not going to write that line. Because you know what? They don't think about that shit. This isn't something that they worry about every day of their life. Or if a guy were to write that line, it would be coming from a totally different.

Yeah, or he'd try to be serious. Like, she's still being, you know, this is a fun comedy, but I'm going to put this in here because it's not even a joke. This is what we deal with every day in our lives. So I'm just like, that's... impressive that it's just in there because it needs to be in there. Well i even loved her follow-up line which was gray area stuff counts yeah it was like oh because then everybody was hands up it's like oh i'm a i was like.

I hate the world yeah it's like hi yeah but i was just like that's something that you're not gonna get when you just hand it to the same people to write movies over and over again you need to broaden your horizons and bring some more people in because You get shit that you don't get otherwise. So how about Hazel? At first, as she popped up, I was like, is she just going to be their Donnie? Yeah. Because I kept waiting for her to be the third wheel and everything was getting with, shut the fuck up, Hazel.

Yeah. Because it started that way. And I was like, all right, maybe that's all she's going to be. And then eventually I was like, no, she is her own full-fledged character. Hazel is something else.

She's got a lot going on. Yeah. Especially when we see her home life. Yeah. Yeah.

Which, again, like, once you get into these people and their weird backstories, it's like, I do like that sometimes it is just teenage drama. When we get into the crazy girl, and she's just like, her new stepdad wants to have movie night. And that is making her flip the fuck out. Well, I. Wait, what is your problem?

Well, I'm like, what else is going on? I know, I kept waiting for the reveal where he's doing something creepy. Because it came up right after the who's been raped. Yeah, I know. And I kept waiting for that.

And I was like, no, she's just being a super dramatic teenager, isn't she? Well, I do want to talk more about Hazel. But that character from the beginning where she was like, I can finally kill my stepdad. I know. And I was like, all right, if there's reason, go to town.

Yeah. Yeah, as we get into it, it's like, God, just leave me alone. It's like, oh, no, she's just a dumb teenager. Okay, okay, good to know. Hazel, though, yeah, when she first appeared, I thought she's, yeah, like you said, the third wheel, the dorky tag-along person.

But no, she's got her own things going on. The fact that she just so casually mentions that it won't even be a problem for her to build a bomb to stick under dudes' cars. Well, I do like that, oh, yeah, let's do terrorism. Yeah. And then, I mean, she did say those words.

Now, if you're not picking up on the way that she's saying those words, which I guess Hazel wasn't because she built a bomb. But back to the, and again, back to the football player, when Hazel comes in and she finds out that her mom's banging the head guy who walks in wearing only his jock strap and his shoulder pads. And still the shoulder pads. Still the shoulder pads. Because never are they fully out of their uniforms.

But even when having sex. Well, see, that's another one of those that's like such a weird detached world. Like the way that all the football guys behave. I'm like, okay, in the real world, if you acted like these guys, you would get your ass kicked. Like in the real world, none of these things they're doing and saying make any sense or seem like any real dude on a football team.

But within the context of this movie, it's hilarious and I love it. And we talked about caricatures earlier. Oh, yeah. He is such a caricature. Every little thing that happens to the football team, the teachers and the principals are like, why are you treating our football players like this?

The other background thing that was alternate universe, just him shirtless on all the posters. Like the whole school revolved around him and him as the sex object that he is. Sure. Because every one of them was him shirtless. And I was just like, yeah, I would hope a real school would have problems with this.

I don't know anymore. Weird stuff goes on. Well, the fact that parents at the football game are holding up cutouts. Of him shirtless. Cutouts of him shirtless.

Like, this should be red flags all over the place, but nobody seems to even blink. Oh, man. Yep. Alternate crazy world, and I like it. Yeah, I love that at his core...

Was it Jeff or Jeffrey? Was that the. The other guy? Well, the main football guy. Yeah.

At his core, he's such a little bitch. I mean, nothing puts an imperfective more than his car accident. Yeah. Dink! Oh, God.

I was just like, once again, at that point, I'm like, yeah, this is not a normal movie. No, not at all. And him screaming up to the sky, why? Or any number of alternate takes as we got to the end. But I was just like, yeah, this is a crazy, over-the-top movie, and I dig it.

Well, there's a scene where the girls, the first three girls... They come up with the idea. Or they've already announced, I think, the fight club or defense class, however you want to call it. But they're in the bleachers and they're talking. And if you look in the background, you can see him walk onto the field with crutches.

And then throws them away. Because everybody knows this is bullshit. But nobody. God, what a movie. Yeah, nobody questions it.

Like, every one of the teachers is just like, oh, they're so worried about him. And. The fact that they might even be taking attention away from the football team. Right. And just like, well then, this is how school works, actually.

That's pretty close. That's true. I've seen a little more of a Matt that I'm okay with, but yeah. But yeah, most of the rest of this time watching the movie was just me going, where do I know her from? Wait, where do I know her from?

Everybody in the cast, I was like, damn it. I know I've seen them in something in my brain. useless as it is most of the time now. I'm like, okay, so after this, I'm going to just spend an hour on IMDb going, oh, that one. So most of them, that's why. You know, we're talking about how different of a movie it is.

The fact that one of the characters fully admits that, yeah, my entire identity is built around her. Oh, she's the one. I knew who she was, but I was just like, the entire movie going... Oh, my God. There has to be cloning.

Like, she is so frighteningly exactly her mother. It is disturbing. Like, she is just a cookie cutter of Cindy Crawford. Oh, yeah. Oh, very much so.

Somehow they took the mole out of the process. But other than that, like, 100% looks exactly like her. like decades ago well yeah not that she's changed like her mother looks frighteningly exactly the same now. She's what you call timeless well and she has magic melons so you know if you watch that infomercial it's those magic melons that do it yeah they're. French that's that's what makes them extra magic french magic melons. Sure yeah a lot of a lot of these kids look very familiar but Well.

That was our other lead, too. I was like, I know I've seen her. And then I get into, like, once I left, I was like, Iowa Deberry? She has a very complicated name for someone who can't pronounce anyone's name. Yeah.

But I was like, oh, I've just seen her on every award show. Yeah. I haven't watched The Bear. I want to watch The Bear. I'm like, hey, look, it's Lip.

And now he's running a restaurant. Yeah. Little did I know it was like going to sweep every, like this last season of awards, like the bear and those actors took home freaking everything. So like she won a Golden Globe. She won an Emmy.

She won a Critics' Choice Award. Like I've watched her give speeches over and over over the last like two months. And then I was like, oh, no wonder I know. Like no wonder she's so damn familiar. I've just watched her on every stage.

Now I guess I have to watch the bear. She's, the bear is really good. Yeah. Well, And she's great on it. And she is a very no-nonsense, very intense character.

And just in her presentation as herself on stage, she seems super funny. And so again, the fact that this is what we get from her on screen, I'm like, oh, well, yeah, it all makes sense. And again, makes me now really want to watch The Bear, which I want to anyway. In The Bear, she is very lesbian. Nielsen funny in that she comes off so dry and so serious and she's saying funny lines but she's not saying them in a way that is funny and that's what makes it funny if you.

Know That's its own, yeah, that's its own brand of humor. Like Leslie Nielsen. Well, it's also like she's definitely the straight character, no pun intended, in this movie. But I'm like, because, you know, Rachel says the most outlandish foul-mouthed shit, and she's just got to be there to be like, but no. She's just got to be the voice of reason most of the time, except it never works out, and she goes along with her anyway and gets in trouble.

But she's always like, the most level-headed out of a bunch of crazy people so like she is usually the one trying to bring down the insanity but it doesn't work so but yeah that still kind of works as her emo in this too and then havana rose lou the whole time like isabel i was just like oh yes yes you're right she's super cute but i was like i know i've seen her before I talked about it on the horror show not long ago. No Exit is the movie just like a year or two ago that she's in and she is the lead. And it is sort of horror, sort of thriller, and it's really good. And again, she was great in it. So that's why I was like, I remember after that movie going, have I seen this girl before?

Because she's great. And like, no, she's been in other stuff, but I hadn't really seen much else. But No Exit was the one I was thinking of as I watched this movie. I was like, I know I've just seen her in something. And, yeah, so, watch No Ex.

She's great. Yeah, No Ex I haven't seen. I've heard of the other stuff. I'm not familiar with it. Yeah, I wasn't all that familiar with the rest.

But then I got to that one. I was like, nope, that's it. I remember looking her up afterwards going, that's exactly why. I knew I'd seen her and stuff. But, yeah, most of the time I was just sitting there going, I know that one.

I know that one. Where do I know her from? Why does she look like a clone? Right. This is kind of creepy.

Yeah. And what the hell is Punky Johnson doing here? Her one scene, their babysitter, the trailer lady. Oh, that's who that was. I got to the end.

I was like, I think that's who that was. She was covered up mostly, so you couldn't tell. I'm pretty sure that's her. When she pops out of the trailer, I'm like, oh, my God. I might get in trouble for this, but I was like, oh, my God, they got Whoopi Goldberg.

And then the moment she starts speaking. There was definitely a look that, yeah, I was like, I don't think so. But yeah, it kind of looks like how she dresses most of the time. Well, now that I'm looking at pictures of her, yeah. So my apologies to Ms.

Johnson. I love that the school seems to be okay with the rival school murdering the players of their team. That's... Maybe as we got towards the end, I was like, yeah, if ever there's something that is just out in its own little realm where in this world that we've established, everybody's just kind of accepted the fact that every couple of decades they murder someone and that's just what happens. So just stay inside that night.

Don't worry about it. You'll be okay. So I was like, what a weird world that we've put together. In this movie. Yeah.

I mean, there's other things, too, where I'm like, again, real world. Again, one of my many favorite lines, but they throw the fruit cocktail at the goth kid. And he's like, I wasn't going to do it, but this is a last resort. And then you see his notebook. plan to bomb the. School again something that they don't joke about much these days so that was already pushing the envelope like oh you're gonna piss somebody.

Off but it was it was funny it was. And especially by the end as we come back around there was a sort of payoff to that yeah yeah it was those little like yeah the the lines along the way the uh constantly catching the jock and how dumb he is when it's just like i'm i'm helping her with her taxes didn't you aren't you an eighth grade math yeah it's like shut up those are the little jokes that i was like yeah this is what makes the movie it's like as much fun as i'm having with all of this the little one-liners aren't you eighth grade math. Well and and the scene when mr g uh feels like he's been betrayed by the girls and he gives this big impassioned speech about how You know, I was actually your ally and this and that.

And the next thing you see is him writing on the chalkboard, feminism, why we should probably never have a woman president. Well, I liked that earlier when it was like, feminism, who came up with it? And then it's like, look, Gloria Steinem, a man, some other chick. That's what it was. Something like that.

Some other lady. The thing about the presidents, I think, was women are evil. Yeah. That was his closing point. People keep telling me that's not the case, but his speech was fun.

I really liked her little, at the very beginning, her little ramble of how her life is going to go because she's not ever going to get laid. She's going to have to marry. She goes into that whole huge story. I'm going to marry this other gay student and he's going to become a preacher, but we'll both be closeted. Please come visit us on Sunday.

She's being so dramatic at that point, like almost uncharacteristically that I'm like, is she serious? Or is she just being goofy? Because Rachel's not taking any of it. She's like, whatever. Yeah.

She's just like, shut up. Here she comes. She just doesn't even acknowledge how crazy and overdramatic that whole story is. I was like, that's another final. I think that's what I liked about this movie.

There is a plot, there is a through line, but it's all the little pieces that come together that I think was what I really enjoyed most about it. So here's another. I definitely wanted to hit, again, as a bigger question, because there's a decent amount of music, but there are two very key songs, both of which are older. So now I'm asking... do we get to a point where it's no, like it comes back around full circle and it's not used ironically because when either like total eclipse of the heart, I think is an amazing song. Fantastic.

But is at this point almost its own punchline when you use it, especially in a comedy and kind of same thing. And like Avril is for a while became her own joke. Like she was a punchline coming out of her era very quickly. She became a punchline and, And through the early 2000s, that would have been an ironic joke. Sure.

But we've come so long since then. I'm like, is it a whole new generation that doesn't remember it enough for it to be irony? And now they're just using songs like, hey, I like this song. That could very well be. Is that the case now?

Where if you're a kid watching this that actually is in high school... You might remember those songs because they came up on your feed somewhere along the way if you're listening to oldies. But, like, it doesn't even register that it would be a joke. Whereas, if you're old and you remember them the first time, you're like, ha ha, look, they're playing Avril Lavigne. That's hilarious.

Like, is everyone else reading it like that? That's a good point. Because I did think, oh, Avril Lavigne. Hilarious. Yeah.

I do think Complicated's a pretty good song. This is a good song. She's made some questionable decisions over the years. She has. Mostly her marriage.

But that aside, I was just like, that whole first run of her, I was like, she's not bad. And what she's doing is very calculated. I'm not the pop princess thing. So like, it was the flip side of that. Now, granted, it was equally as corporate run and manipulated as the other side.

So I was like, it wasn't honest, really. But at the same time, I was like, I just like that there's another option that she's like, pretending at least that she's a skateboard kid and she's into punk rock. Her songs are equally as poppy as the other side, but it's all presentation. So I was like, I appreciated that in its own weird way when it. Happened the first time.

Yeah, and also the older I get and I look at situations like that and especially how young she was. Oh, yeah. I'm sure she didn't have a lot to do with all that. It's hard for me to place blame on her or even to say, Oh, she shouldn't have done that because, you know, 16, you're trying to come up with your own identity. And I appreciated what she was doing, that like there probably were kids out there, young girls who did feel that way and like didn't have anybody that was the order.

So again, even if it was. somewhat manipulated. And again, we're back to the monkeys at this point. If, if it's created by a corporation to appeal to the kids, like whatever, if you still appreciate it, if you're still connecting with it because it's what you are interested in, even if it was disingenuous from the beginning, you're still bringing you to it and your interest to it. So like it's legit from your perspective, really. So yeah, I don't know.

I just thought that was interesting that they're so far gone at this point. definitely freaking total eclipse of the heart i'm just like that's so old now that like we've had a couple of generations cycle through oh yeah like would have no context for its original run so yeah you can kind of just do whatever with it. And depending on how old your audience is, it may not land the same. I don't know. That's a good point. That's a really good point actually, because yeah, we've put, We've put meaning on those songs because we've seen them in other movies, but the younger audience who may have never even heard the song at all has no context to it.

Or doesn't understand, speaking of an insane world, the insane world of Jim Steinman. Well, yeah. Like, I appreciate on a level that is... not normal but also acknowledge that it is insane and over the top and if everybody was if anybody was ever tapped into overdoing dramatic teenage thinking yeah it's jim steinman oh yeah every one of his songs is like i don't know how you distilled it especially because you weren't a teenager when he wrote this he was easily in his mid-20s when he started and went on and was like well, an old man when he was still writing these insane, weird teenage songs that were still caught up in that bullshit world in an amazing way, in a distilled way. And I'm like, I don't even know how you write something like this.

It is so insane and amazing at the same time. Well, if you ever take the lyrics from beginning to end from Paradise by the Dashboard Light, That is a teenage boy's thought process that a mature man of 25 or whatever should be starting to grow away from. I would think, okay, I'm going to recall this. I'm going to recall what it was like to be 17 because they explicitly stay in the songs that they were only 17. But I'm going to write like that.

I'm going to write in that mindset. I would still think there'd be that little piece of you that'd be like, I can't put that in. Or even if you did, like when you write that stuff as an older person, you put perspective on it. And without even trying, probably, you reflect on the state of mind that you were in when you were a dumb kid. His never had that.

They were never self-aware. No. Even when he was writing stuff much older, they were never, again, it was never ironic. It was always, I am knee deep in this insane, angsty teenage world, and everything is so heightened. That's exactly how his songs feel.

And they're amazing, but it doesn't bear any resemblance to the real world, which is maybe why it fits so well in this movie. Yeah, that's true. So, yeah, I don't know. There's so many levels to that that I was just like, this is weird and I like it, but it's all weird. Yeah.

Jim Steinman. Oh, man. What a piece of work. It's so easy to go back and forth on Jim Steinman because on the one hand, you're like, genius. On the other hand, you're like, Weirdo.

11-year-old. Yeah. How do you write this bullshit? But, like, it's followed up with this line that is amazing. So...

Yeah. Surf's up and so am I. I'm like, dude, how old are you? You are ridiculous. I listened to that the other day.

I was like, I forgot about that one. Fuck. It's just... Oh, so ridiculous. So...

Again. A very separate little world. Oh, yeah. But I like that. I like watching movies where this world...

It's like this world doesn't exist. This is not how it is. But it's close to our world. It's close enough that we can almost use that to make the point. Right.

We can... extreme everything that we need to to make fun of it but at the same time it's sort of nailing what we're going for here which we definitely get a lot of that in this movie that it's unrealistic and yet is making its point maybe more so by turning everything up to 11 it's like oh this is so silly oh but is it yeah is it or is it just a shade over the top from how the world really is and like sometimes I'm like yeah kind of kind of yeah Like the, again, if we're getting into, oh shit, the Hazel fight for God's sake. Oh my God. I was just like, once it started, I was like, okay, isn't she the one that said like she was into Taekwondo or something? So I'm like, all right, she can hold her own.

Dude, like by the finishing move, it's like Jesus. Why did we just have to watch Hazel get beaten to a pulp? And what teacher is going to allow that? Well, the fact that, again, in the alternate universe where they keep this dude in a cage. Right.

I guess that was theatrics for the pep rally, kind of. Maybe not. There is a scene in the first scene in the classroom. You see it for like a split second. And I'm like, why is this dude in a cage?

And they never address it until we get to the next scene. But yeah, that was painful, literally. Yeah. Brutal. I'm just like, geez.

Why is this okay? Which, again, it's not that is the point. It's like this is a little over the top, and yet grown-ups don't have a problem with it. They're just like, yep, have fun with your pep rally. Whatever.

Beat the hell out of that girl. It's fine. I just thought of this just, again, I guess maybe alternate reality, but where the kid is calling, the football player is calling the juvie sinners. To get records of these girls and the camera pans out and he's got the yellow pages, but he's on a smartphone, which means he doesn't need the yellow pages anymore. And I don't know if they put that much thought into the joke.

Well, again, who would even know what the hell a yellow page is? Well, okay, good point. Maybe they did put that much thought into it. So much so that here's a real world example. They handed out the, like, now they make the miniature version of the phone books that they still keep throwing on your porch for some reason.

I'm like, how many old people still pick this up? But my joke is, and it's not a joke, the person down the way from me It sat there for weeks because I don't think they go in and out that door, but it's not like their life was hurting without it. Right. It sat there and got rained on and waterlogged and just became a puddle of pulp and grossness. And I was just like, yeah, they're really not going to be upset when they find out.

They're going to have to get a snow shovel to scrape it up, but they're not upset because nobody uses those anymore. Why are you printing them? As a child, I used to get so excited when the new phone books came out. There's a joke for old people. And a while ago, as an adult, the phone book arrived on my front porch.

I looked at it and just went inside the house. And left it there so long that when I finally said, you know what, I should probably bring that in, the next day a new phone book arrived. So you are that guy. So part of me is wondering if they were waiting until I took the old phone book in. I don't know.

But either way, I got two new phone books in the span of two days. I think I just threw them both away. I don't get it. No. Ugh.

But yeah, what? Just all of these random things. Again, things that wouldn't be okay in the real world. When they go to the big game and they bring out, it's time for the cheerleaders! And they just dump water on it.

I'm like, wait, this is okay? You guys are, alright, whatever. Or the freaking car wash where they're selling their underwear. I'm like. Wait, is this sanctioned by the school?

Now, to be fair with that last one, I've been out of high school for a long time, so I don't know what's acceptable as a fundraiser anymore. I don't know. Maybe it's got to that point. That's the other thing that I kind of wonder in general that I am so far removed from. Because I watch...

Now they are making a lot of high school movies for people of the high school age. And in them... this is one of them with, with Walker writings, notwithstanding, they're just sort of accepted and everybody knows. And like within the, cause again, you see the other guy that's like the, the, the drama club kid that like, everybody's like football guys are like, Hey, what's going on buddy? And like, and I was like, that's awesome. And wait, does that happen?

I was like, has the world changed? I know. I was like, ideally that is what we want for the world. But I was like, has it really been that long? That's okay.

You know, that's not the world. I grew up in high school that, and I mean, not to make a big deal of this, but yeah, you're a few years ahead of me. Yeah. But, uh, the high school that we went to, that was not, I mean, when I see that movies and TVs, TV shows now where they have, they talk, the gay kids talk about, Oh, we've got, yeah. For lack of a better term, gay club.

I, Or just the fact that they're openly gay. I'm not trying to roughly bite feathers with that. I just don't know what they call it. Yeah, just the fact that they're openly gay. I'm like, well, clearly that's going to become a plot point later.

And it's never brought up. And I hope it's because it's accepted. Yeah, because it should be normalized. But they're still like the decades ago version of my brain. that like way yeah like it still just doesn't fully process because i'm like not when i go to the like the reality of the world revolving around the football team like no no oh i was there i was in a fucking football heavy school and like The entire school year revolved around football, and the team was like their own little glorious group of people that kind of did go by different rules than everybody else. And literally, to bring it up, on the...

I'm trying to remember what the reasoning, there were specific days where the team could wear their jersey to class. Right. And like, there was otherwise a pretty strict stress policy. But like, if you're on the football team, nope, you could wear your jersey and that was your uniform all day, wear it around. Yeah.

And I was like, yeah, this is its own weird little world too. So like, I definitely was not in a world where it would have been okay to be openly gay. Now, statistically speaking, it had to be going on. It had to be going on. There were plenty of guys there, so I'm sure many of them were.

But yeah, it's not something you would have discussed for many reasons. With the advent of social media, I see tons of classmates that I'm like, no kidding. Yeah, because... I would have never gotten that impression from you for a lot of reasons. So I don't know.

Like I, I almost want to, cause I at least have family kids that are in school now. So I kind of want to go, so is it cool? Like, does everybody talk about it? Cause I don't have a window into current day high school kids and I'm fine with that. I was glad to get away from it the first time, but that one, when I see it, like, In TV shows and movies now, it's usually pretty open, even if there's still hazing going on, which I'm sure there is.

There always will be. Because people suck. Well, and now there's a whole new level of you can not only just beat the hell out of them physically, but you can go online and do horrible things. So it is a whole extra level that I didn't have to deal with, so I'm not upset that I missed that either. But, yeah, I do wonder how... how much and does it vary school to school state to state I'm sure it varies quite a bit depending on which areas you're in so yeah I don't know all of that is interesting watching it in this because it is so much so even though they're still dorks and nobody likes them it's not because they're gay like so like I like that part of this world yeah they're like no they like that guy like he's very openly gay everybody thinks.

He's awesome we suck even when the principal calls the the two ugly non-talented queers to. The office and i was like no no no none of this is true except the queer part but you're both adorable and super talented so let's be. Real like yeah. But yeah i that was and also interesting part of it is just sort of seeing this on one hand sort of realistic and on another like an alternate version of certainly how i ever viewed anything so I'm kind of curious how that goes these days. Not enough to go to high school, though.

Do not want to relive those times. I don't want to. I mean, I suppose I could get a job as the wise janitor at a high school. The guy who has to keep repainting their locker. Oh, that poor guy.

I like that they just, by the second or third time, she's like, you know what to do. They don't even talk about it anymore. She just points at it. You know what to do. oh this movie's pretty awesome this movie's great i. Say highly highly recommended the what little bit of uh promotional material i saw that before the movie did not prepare me at all no what i was getting.

Into again i i knew i at least knew rachel so like again i figured it was going to be definitely you got the impression it was going to be a little brutal and kind of foul mouth but again that's kind of how she rolls i get that but um yeah i did not pick up on the alternate universe version of it well no clearly not nor the uh the commentary that's going on so they just did a lot of um quick shots of them beating the hell out of each other in the trailer i feel like yeah so i got a i got a good amount of that that i'm like well i'm assuming there's gonna be some some punching and many types of brutalities going on. So much. I do like that very first shot of like, oh, I can hit you. It just nails her.

And the whole rest of the movie, she still has the like, it continues to like downgrade a little. But even that last scene, she's still got black eyes. I love that. All of these girls had nasty bruises and cuts. Which usually is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

Any girl with a scar is like, oh, I'm on board with this chick. I do like that the cheerleaders were walking around a little cocky because they'd kick somebody's ass. And I'm like, good for you. Well, that was the thing, too. It wasn't just the nerdy outcast girls.

It was you had the cheerleaders. You had the brainiacs. You had the losers. You had the psycho with the, I'm going to kill my stepdad. Which.

And whatever category Hazel fits into. Yeah, yeah. She is her own crazy person. But yeah, because I so didn't expect it coming from Kill My Stepdad Girl, because she's the most stoner of the group. Right.

Like, she's coming in going, well, obviously she's going to play that character. Nope. I was like, again, just mixing it up. Like, just when you think you've got a handle on these crazy characters. Nope.

She is definitely a little different than I expected. Oh, yeah. Ugh. But yeah, by the time you get to the finale, like, but I mean, the least crazy thing is that they've loaded up the sprinklers with pineapple juice. That is like would be ridiculous and over the top in a different movie.

In this movie, by the time they're just a bloodbath, they beat the hell out of the other team. So much so. That they're murdering. Well, even her comment of, no, I didn't kill him. No, that guy right there.

You killed that guy. Like, oh. She runs him through with a goddamn sword. She's like, I'm pretty sure you killed that guy. I was like, once again, they're taking this very alternate universe casual.

There are no cops that show up. No one faces any repercussions for all the murder. There's no fuss from the stands. Yeah, they just. Well, and also, like, the other side just flat out didn't show.

Yeah. They're like, well, they're murdering somebody, so we're staying home. Like, just an entire empty stadium. Yeah. Except for the idiots on their side.

Insanity. I did think it was funny before we got to that one that like the mascot that was on the posters did have a sword I was like I feel like now they probably would I mean some of the older ones but again over the years they've gotten in trouble for all of the older mascots so I'm like I feel like even now if you were a cavalier they'd probably take the sword out of his hand like they'd safe make it a little safer and he'd just hold a shield all the time yeah So the fact that this Viking dog or whatever it was. I'm trying to remember what the mascots were. I thought it was Vikings. It was Vikings.

Because there is a poster that's like, get horny. I was like, once again, alternate universe. I hope somebody in a real school would have problems with that. Probably not at this point. I don't know.

But yeah, they were Vikings. But for some reason, it was a dog? I don't know. But yeah, I was like, oh, well, that sword came into play eventually. I think it was the Vikings and the golden ferrets.

The golden ferrets. I do like as they came striding on the field, I was like, well, golden ferrets. That's special. Even just, I'm trying to remember, is this in the movie or just my life? Because as I was writing some random stuff down, it also says, As I've gotten older, it's just gotten more sad.

Oh, God. And I'm like, yeah, actually, that could just be me. I feel like it's something that one of them said. I hope so. I also feel like that's, I mean, that definitely is my status, but.

It might have been something Mr. G said. I feel like it's, yeah, I feel like it ties into the plot as we get to the end of it there. But I also was just like, no, that was just me yesterday. Anyway.

That's true about everything at this point. The more I think about it, it's all gotten more sad. Except when watching this movie. I'm pretty thrilled with this movie. I enjoyed it.

I don't have a rating system in place to rank it. I usually don't go for those anyway. It would get most of the whatevers out of however many it's allowed. Definitely. And again, for a Modern era comedy that I rarely seek out anymore because most of them are really dumb.

There's a few other ones lately I've heard decent things about. So that is what brought me to this. I had several people that I've seen online that I... normally would be a little more willing to listen to their opinion. And then there was at least one show that I was listening to that they put it on their top ten for the year. Oh, really?

Which I was like, for a comedy period, when normally it's nothing but your Oscar bait kind of shows, like movies. And I'm just like, the fact that a comedy... Let alone this, what I know of it as a silly, brutal comedy. And I was like, that says something about it. So I definitely want to seek this out.

So yeah, that is another reason. I was like, we definitely need to watch this. Well, I just saw on Wikipedia that it actually turned a profit. Which is, again, an important thing when trying to get films made by women. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. It is. If nothing else that came out of Barbie is like, well, now they'll at least let some. Because if it would have tanked, it's so impossible to get something through as a female director anyway, or writer, or actress that's fronting a movie anymore. It's such a fight that like...

I really. Thought that Wonder Woman would change all that. That we would see just like a slew of really good, not that women can't make good movies, but traditionally they haven't been allowed to make them. Yeah, you're not given before. Chance the fucking Dean, yeah.

Because before, if you weren't Penny Marshall, you weren't making a blockbuster movie. And even then, she knocked out several big ones and then a bunch of other ones nobody even remembers. Unfortunately, that was the first person I could think of. Yeah. I mean, there's been a handful that have broken through and had some decent-sized budgets and brought in good actors, but it's pretty minimal still.

Yeah. But I really did think Wonder Woman was going to change that. It didn't help. 1984. Did you watch that one?

Yeah. I have some issues. No problems with the direction. I don't think that's her fault though. Mostly the writing which I think she was still involved with.

But directing wise it still looked good. In fact it was a whole different type of sparkly. It was 1984 sparkly. That's true. Very cool in it's datedness.

Kind of trying to do a retro thing. Just too much going on. And it crosses a major line that no one should be okay with. I don't know. That was just weird.

But this was a quality movie from start to finish. I hope to see more from everybody involved. Definitely. I liked all the performances. And again... should have already been on top of at least one of the other actors.

I I've always liked what I've seen of Rachel. So it's like the rest of these, I just kind of want to go back and find, and especially this, I know Shiva baby got pretty good reviews. So I want to watch that still. I just hadn't gotten around to it. Same here.

But, um, again, I kind of hope this opens that door even more. And like, she gets a chance to write and direct, um, You know, more stuff... Again, this one I feel like is so heavy with... Well, I mean, she worked with Rachel in her last movie, too. So, like, maybe she's always going to work with her.

But, like, I feel like there's so much of her just character that comes through as a writer, as a person, that, like, it transfers over onto her character and the movie as a whole. So I don't know if she... How different it would be to just kind of hand her a separate movie or let her write a movie without her. Well, what I would like this... to be is um i can't think of a good example to compare this to but every now and then you get that that person who becomes that serious auteur the one that everybody's like yeah and and they can say oh yeah but look at this goofy thing i made decades ago or whatever and whether she stays in comedy or doesn't whatever I mean, that's her decision. I think it would be okay to...

Because again, I feel like it's rare that you even have a comedy auteur get a Carl Reiner that in his day made some of the greatest comedies ever. Again, he's another one that later did some weird questionable stuff that nobody paid attention to. But half of it still made money, really. It's like stuff you didn't even know he directed. He made tons of money at the box office and you're like, wait, that was Carl Reiner?

So... He is one of those that could put a stamp on it and do comedy and yet still kind of... I mean, as much as auteur gets thrown around with comedies, it's pretty rare, actually. But, yeah, I think it's okay to get somebody that wants to do comedy and still give them that freedom and chance to do a series of movies like you do with an auteur. Like you do with...

Oh, man, I love Fincher. Oh, yeah. I like that moment of just a random tie in that like, yeah, it's attached and has nothing to do with what's about to happen. Except everybody's going to get beat the hell out of them. Oh yeah.

But yeah, you get, you know, those, those kind of directors always kind of get the push and the chance to do whatever they want. But yeah, I'd like to see. That's a much more eloquent way to say. Yeah. I'd like to see more comedy people get a chance to follow through.

Sure. And, become almost an auteur of comedy, but again, it's rare. Yeah. Or if so, it's usually not good. Once again, I come back to, I don't like a lot of modern comedy stuff.

Or just give me three or four more movies that were this well written and performed and. This well put together. Yeah. All right. Anything else we need to address on this one other than it's pretty awesome.

Pretty awesome. Uh, No, that's all I have to say on it. You know, I feel like even the sort of person who normally, to some degree, wouldn't want to watch this sort of movie because they would afraid it would be preachy, I still feel like even they could enjoy it. Yeah, I feel like it never crosses that line. Preachy was in quotes, by the way.

Well, yeah, because there definitely are, and there have even been ones in recent years I've listened to. In particular, there was one that, like, just rub this one guy the wrong way. And like, it is, it was a queer made movie and it had a star that was very openly gay and just, that wasn't the problem. It was a bad movie. Right.

And like, that's what pissed him off. And so like, It's like one of those like I want there to be one that's the other hand that like doesn't need to be preachy. It's just well written. And that's why you're there. And if it's normalizing the fact that these women are empowered or that they're gay or that. everyone's openly gay.

Like all of these things don't need to be the gimmick of the movie. Right. It's just part of the story they're telling. I'm like, that's how it needs to be. I think this was the way it should be.

And yeah, this was pretty, this did a pretty good job of that. Yeah. I liked that. I do think there were a couple of, and we've talked about them a little bit. There were a couple of clunky bits here and there, but not because of gender or, uh, sexuality, not because of any of that, just as a...

It seemed like a really good attempt by a not super experienced filmmaker. Again, I feel like there's a good amount of probably allowing people to throw out extra lines along the way. So maybe that takes away from worrying about the super nailed down overarching screenplay when You're equally as invested in, oh, let's just try it this way today. Yeah. So in a way, sometimes you get the most amazing scenes from doing that.

Other times, maybe it takes away from you worrying about the details as much. Yeah, that could be. Yeah, a mixed bag, so. I guess what I'm saying is that it flowed well. Yeah.

You know? And it was, again, it seems like they knew the rule of like, don't do a two and a half hour comedy. Like, which they do. So, you know, it's like, if you know what you're doing, do it well. And like, just get in and out, tell your jokes, hit them every step of the way.

And then when you're done with your story, you're done and like wrap it up. So I think keeping a tight comedy is like a really important part of it being a comedy. Right. I think that's kind of key that they figured out. And like, it doesn't overstay any of it, even as it gets weirder.

And like, they could have gone down a few more avenues of like, well, what's going on over there? Yeah. Sometimes we just touch on it and move along. What's up with her mom? And why is she sleeping with this weird high school kid?

I'm like, Nope. We're just like, well, that was weird anyway. No wonder she's all pissed off. No, it takes a, to write something like that, I would think would take a great amount of restraint because you, you touch on it. You don't, you touch on it just enough that we get a taste of what's going on.

And then you move on to the next thing. You don't dwell on it. Which again, I think is the trap that some of the other, and maybe it is the directors that have been around for a while and nobody tells them no. So that you're making a Judd Apatow, two and a half hour, three hour comedy. Sometimes it's like, You are, you know, people are letting you go too far with your like, nobody says no.

So like, oh, no, keep rolling. Keep going. Yeah, let's go down this road and see what's going on with this character. I'm like, oh, and another. movie maybe not not now because we've already been here for two hours what are you doing so yeah i think it's it's finding that balance of like specifically in a comedy like keeping it tight keeping it moving just being funny like they they hit all of that on this one so oh. Yeah yeah i agree quite enjoyable Would recommend.

Well, normally. Now, see, this is where things might be different. Because if you're just one of those regular people, then you're probably not used to this point when we would normally come up with what the next movie is. But since we're not doing horror this time, I don't have to roll the die. This is how we normally do it in our super cool horror club.

So, it is a good chance to tell you what's coming up and to let you know that. is what we do, and why you should be involved. So in case you're not part of that crew, if you want to know and start planning, next time we're back probably with that Nora person who's maybe back. I don't know. She might just stay there. You know, after today, I don't think we need her.

We were sent a photo from some tropical paradise that I wouldn't come back if I were her. Yeah, but I wouldn't have gone there in the first place. We'll see if she comes back. If she does, she will join us for the next Horror Club where we will watch Alice, Sweet Alice, which I am kind of looking forward to. Looking forward to.

And I didn't want to steal it away from Nora. So that's why we threw in this in between. And I'm kind of glad we did because otherwise I might not have gotten to bottoms right away. Yeah, this was fun. I like this as an extra little in between.

And I was joking. I do miss Nora, but I feel like we survived without her. I would like to hear her take on it. It's kind of like when Aunt Bea went to her sister's house. We made it through.

Maybe she will watch it and she can like, normally we do horror at the top of the show, but maybe we can get her take on Bottoms as a little sneak peek in the intro in the upcoming episodes. We'll see. In the meantime, you should join the Meltdown Horror Club and then you can hear us talk about Alice, Sweet Alice, which is going to be awesome. So, Go do that now. Do it right now.

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Every now and then I get a little bit lonely And you're never coming round Turn around Every now and then I get a little bit tired Of listening. To the sound of my tears. Turn around Every now and then I get a little bit nervous. That the best of all the years have gone. By Turn around Every now and then I get a little bit terrified And then I see the light Every now and then I fall apart All of the time.

I don't know what to do. I'm always. In the dark. I really need you tonight. There's nothing I can do, a total eclipse of the heart.

Turn around Every now and then I get a little bit restless And. I dream of something wild Turn around. Every now and then I get a little. Bit helpless And I'm lying like a child in your arms Turn around. Every now and then I get a little bit angry.

And I know I've got to get. Down and try Every now and then I get a little bit terrified But then I see the look in your eyes Every now and then I You can take it to the end of the line Your love is like a shadow on me all of the. Time Once upon a time I was falling in love Now I'm only falling apart There's nothing I can do, a total eclipse of the heart. Nothing I can say, a total eclipse of the heart. When I say dumb, yeah, I would have enjoyed it.

I mean, there are a lot of comedies that I would refer to as dumb comedies. I don't with this one. But, like, again, I don't say it's a bad thing all of the time. Right. But.

On the surface, I feel like this is a dumb comedy. This presents itself. Again, the trailer kind of makes it look like a dumb comedy. But it had a surprisingly large amount of layers to it. Yeah.

It's way smarter than... Again, it's almost so smart about how it's doing it that it's using that. Like it's toying with you of like, look at this dumb comedy. And then like, oh, along the way, guess what? We worked in all this other stuff that maybe you weren't even picking up on because you were sucked in by the dumb comedy and they punch each other in the face a lot.

But along the way, guess what? There's other smarter stuff that we've worked into the screenplay. So, haha, joke's on you. You got a better movie than you even thought you were going to get. Oh, yeah.

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