Mary Jane and the Lost City of Eerie, Indiana

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Damn, that's eerie. What's up? Welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian. I am Misty.

I am Jay. And we're coming to you live via digital recording from Louisville, home of Louisville Horror Con. That horror con? That horror con in that town. That town's crazy, yo.

But, yeah, I've seen this one somewhat recently, but we hadn't been. So I thought this year we'd mix it up. We'd go check out Louisville Horror Con, and it was pretty awesome. I was very specific about why I wanted to come. So if you have other things to discuss, we can talk about those first.

I mean, I saw that. I figured that would be a selling point because I was like, if there's one thing I know Misty's into, this is right up her alley. Hell yeah, it was. So we can just jump to him if you want. Because I don't know.

I just walked around and looked at stuff. I bought a sticker. It's got a zombie looking dude on it. I got some free stickers. I got one of those from there too.

Which has the same zombie dude on it. Because they were both dated live. So it's not really. Technically it's an alien. But he looks like a zombie.

If I can get my cup out I'll tell you who I got the free stickers from. Because I figure if they're going to give me free stuff I should say hey. I think they're a podcast. Maybe they're a podcast. I don't know.

I think they were. I got a sticker of them somewhere. Hold on, let me look. This could take a second. It might be a cup of horror.

I don't know. Or the other, yeah, the first, the one that has the name of it on there, I think, is the podcast, definitely. This one? A cup of horror? That's the one that was already in the cup.

So I'm assuming that's who it was supposed to have been. But yeah, it was fantastic. But are we jumping right into the main reason I wanted to go there? We might as well. Let's go.

I was super stoked because Omricats... I love me some armor cats. I love eerie Indiana. It's the only thing of his that I've probably seen. Cause it's like, I was that weird kid.

I was the one watching eerie Indiana in like the early nineties. I was, I mean, I was, I don't know that I was as hardcore, but I definitely like saw the ads for it when it was time. And I was like, Oh, that looks cool. And then I watched it and I was like, I was right. This is cool.

But I don't remember being like super hardcore, like some stuff. I made sure, like, I saw every episode. That one, I feel like I just kind of caught ones when I did. Well, they had it on a shitty time. It was on, like, Sunday nights at 7 or 7.30.

That's dicey. Against, like, 60 Minutes and, like, some other pretty established shows. But I was trying to look up online. I'm like, what happened? That's like the kiss of death is that time slot.

Pretty much. Especially, like. Your Sunday nights, you got your old people lining up ready to watch the news, essentially. Well, people who are pretty, you have your established, like I said, it was a good 60 minutes. And like at the time, that was like a big thing.

And it's that very transitional phase of like people are getting ready to eat or they've already, they're done eating, they're wrapping that up. And it's like, it's not a very specific, what show is this? It's not horror. It's not really sci-fi. It's not really a kid's show.

I mean, it's kind of a kid's show. It is one you can't really just check in on. Because every week you'll be like, what is going on here? Like, it is kind of crazy. But most of them were kind of standalone.

It's not like you needed to watch all of them. Yeah, but they're all weird enough that if you were like a grandparent that just looked over and went, what are they doing? Yeah, it was crazy. It was way ahead of its time. Because I think it came out.

I mean, it was definitely before the Goosebumps TV show. It might have been around the same time as Are You Afraid of the Dark? I loved all that shit. I was like, that was right up my alley. They made those shows for me.

In my head. That was me. It was these shows. Like I said, between Eerie Indiana, Are You Afraid of the Dark? Watching Stand By Me way too many fucking times.

So I was out in the woods all the time looking for dead bodies. And any other weird shit. And I lived in Indiana. I still live in Indiana. I will probably always live in Indiana.

So Eerie Indiana... It's perfect. And I loved it. And I loved playing the game of, oh, wait, who the fuck is that? Because I know them from something else.

And it was like almost every episode. Now, did you do that as a kid or just now? Because I feel like most of them weren't even somebody yet when you were a kid. Because I've watched it several times. I've been several viewings of it.

There was the original when I was a kid, so nobody existed outside of it. Pretty much. But. They were pulling them in before they were stars. And then later, they all became like superstars.

So, yeah, and the most... Because Boyfriend hadn't... He hadn't sat down, and well, he didn't sit down and watch it this time either, but he'd seen like a few episodes over the years. So I'm like, knowing that Omri Katz was going to be there, I'm like, oh, I'm going to watch it all. I'm going to.

Re-watch it, at least the first season, because fuck the second season. But yeah, it's like almost every other episode was like, hmm, what do I know that person from? What do I know them? Because you ended up with like, Danielle Harris was in an episode. Nikki Cox was in an episode.

Klopek, what did you say? The Dr. Klopek? I don't know what his name is. He's not the guy from Buffy that you thought he was.

No, he's not the guy from Buffy. The one I was excited about. Oh, did you say from... Yeah, what the hell is that? What?

Joe Dante movie. The Burbs. The Burbs. Yeah. Did Joe Dante do The Burbs?

Pretty sure he directed it. Oh, gosh. Joe Dante's awesome. He also directed and was the producer of a good majority of this. Almost every other episode, he was the consulting producer or whatever.

So it's like he had such a heavy influence on. Henry Gibson. Henry Gibson? Oh, yeah. Isn't he from Blues Brothers?

I don't remember. It's been a long time since I've heard of him. It's not quite possible. I'm pretty sure. Didn't they reference Nazis in the.

Yeah, they did. Why was there Nazis? It was the episode. With the surfing pitbulls or something. Pitbull surfers.

Pitbull surfers with the band. The heavy metal music that was like... Again, that one was pretty awesome. We'll get back to Nazis later, don't you worry. Oh, God.

Okay, not now. But, yeah, so just all week. That's what we watched all week. So it was, like I said, and just one of my favorites. I don't know how to say his last name properly, but Andy?

Andy. I've always just thought it was Goes, but I don't really know. Again, I don't know that I've heard it said. Harry Goes? Goes?

From Twin Peaks. Andy. Like, oh, it's Andy. And you have to say it as like, Andy. Andy.

I don't know why. Like you just answered a phone in some sort of crazy tone. Yeah. But he was in several episodes. Had a lot of Andys in that tone.

So, yeah, he was in a couple episodes. It's like he was wearing the full on because, again, he's a police officer. That's his job. It's a stretch. I know.

I think he might have even had like the like the aviator shades on. So you couldn't really. I'm like. As soon as I heard the voice, I'm like, oh, that's Andy. I can tell by the voice.

And I could have even sworn there was a scene that had, I could have swore I saw David Lynch in the background, but I couldn't find any reference to it. So I could have just been making it up. But somebody who looks like David Lynch. I feel like if anybody would just sneak onto a set and just hang out in the background, it would be David Lynch. Well, I mean, honestly, Eerie Indiana was kind of like a kid version of Twin Peaks.

It pretty much was. I mean, and it was a classic for kids my age. What year? So this was like a couple of years after Twin Peaks? 91.

It was around the same time. Oh, yeah. That's like within the next year or so. Okay. That's a pretty quick turn.

I was trying to figure out the, like, did they knowingly bring Andy in because he was on Twin Peaks? So, yeah, if it was right after, then they definitely did. Again, Joe Dante probably being a nerd, being like, oh, yeah, let's bring him on. I mean, even Dick Miller was in an episode. Yeah.

Everybody loves Dick Miller. He's a legend. Because he was in the one with the lost hour. Do you remember that? Was it the lost hour?

No, it wasn't the lost hour. It was where the briefcase went missing, where everything got lost. So everything would disappear into this area. And it's a whole thing to do with consumerism. I don't know.

I think I fell asleep. Yeah, you fell asleep a lot. Was that last night? No, that was a couple nights ago. That's part of when it sucked out.

Also, your energy. And you had to go to sleep. No, I was from skateboarding. There was a kid that skateboarded, and you were pretty excited about that, but then he got ran over. Was his name Brian?

Yeah, he got ran over. He likes to skateboard. He got ran over. He died. Ah, lame.

That was like one of the, that's the Danielle Harris episode. Did she skateboard? Yes, eventually she did. Cool. Spoiler alert, he was skateboarding in the middle of the street, he got ran over, and she had a heart problem.

Friend of the show, Danielle Harris. She had a heart defect. So she had to have a heart transplant. And he got run over because both that guy and Omri Katz were like fighting over her because she was so fucking cute. Because she's Danielle, of course.

Well, obviously. Obviously. So when he died, she got the heart. So she took over doing a lot of the things that he did. Like the knife stabby hand thing.

You know what I mean? Mumbly pig. Is that what it's called? Is that what it's called? I have no fucking idea.

I didn't know it was called a thing. It's just the hand with the knife stabby thing. And she started skateboarding. And then he was jealous. I can see that.

Yeah, it's such a great show. It had a lot more heart than a lot of other... Then the sequel, the series, the second sequel, second series. You said you weren't even aware of? I didn't even know it existed until like a couple years ago.

Somebody on Instagram referenced it. I'm like, a second series, a second season? What are you talking about? What are you fucking talking about? What, do you live in Erie, Indiana, and you're crazy?

They were like, no, here you go. See, I had no idea what even the concept was. But apparently, because it's Erie, Indiana, the other dimension? I'm stuttering a lot. I'm sorry.

Sounds like they're already reaching. Is it the other dimension? Second dimension? I don't know. It was fucking stupid.

Does it have the same kids? No. Whoa, what the hell? Because it's supposed to be in an alternate reality, another dimension. This was the early multiverse.

So it's still eerie Indiana, but it's in an alternate dimension with the characters that have names that are similar, which I thought was fucking stupid. It definitely seems like some producer came up with this that was like, nah, we don't need the same actors. I can see them just like, we'll swap out somebody that kind of looks like them. Just give me a second. This is like that weird season of Dukes of Hazzard.

Coy and Vance? Wait, what is the first one's name? This is from Coy. This is the Duke brother. I know.

I can never remember the other one's name. I always remember Vance, and I'm like. Who is this? Coy. Pretty sure we're talking about Coy.

Like fish. What a weirdo. And again, that's not the fish for those kind of guys. It was like trout, maybe, but not koi. Trout and Vance.

They're a little too fancy for koi. And largemouth bass. Exactly. Billy bass is a little more their speed. They're not quite the fancy level of a koi pond.

Crappie and bass. Yeah, really. If I could find them, the other dimension is what it was called. I know they gave them names that are similar, but different. Mitchell and Stanley.

As opposed to Marshall and Simon. Hmm. Mitchell Taylor instead of Marshall Teller. And Stanley Hope instead of Simon... I already forgot his last name.

Was it Harris? Was it Harris? Yeah, Simon Harris. Maybe I'm pulling that out of my ass. I don't know.

Or Daniel, whichever. Yeah, it could be. But. Yeah, that seems like somebody just sort of in the writer's room throwing stuff out there. Be like, I don't know.

Let's just call them these names. It's almost the same. Kids won't know. Kids are dumb. Because it's an alternate dimension.

Kids are dumb. They don't know the difference. If you squint, these are the same guys. Kids know better. Well, apparently they just...

It was... Because when I said when Eerie Indiana first started, it wasn't like a kid channel. It was like on fucking NBC or something. So it was on like regular, like 7.30 at night. Yeah.

That's why, again, I was aware of it because I think I saw the ads come out. It was a regular old network show that I thought looked cool. I was like, yes, this is what I want to see. But I don't even remember hearing about this other one because they switched to kid-friendly. Apparently it's old, which even Omricat says he has not watched the second season, which I don't fucking doubt.

Because apparently it's, from what he said, disrespectful to the original. I don't know, but apparently it's definitely more kiddified. It's more slapsticky and just like, it's more kid oriented work. It's like I said, this, the original, it had moments that an adult could watch and, you know, yes, it was kids, but it wasn't just kids situations. You know what I mean?

If that makes any sense. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that's kid oriented, but is creepy and works, but still rings true like a creepy thing. And then there's other stuff that you can definitely feel like they've almost dumbed it down to the point of like oh this won't offend anyone kids will love. It like apparently that's the second season yeah.

Kids know better they can read that stuff and be like this isn't right. And there was like a big gap in between too it's like i don't know if there was like let's see because this was like 91 92 i think the second one was like when the second series came out it was like 90 i'll say 97 or 98 and. Also jumping network so they definitely like got dropped and then like somebody else was like dusting off ideas because they didn't have anything to put on Fox or whatever it was at that point. And like I said, the original, you had Joe Dante who's brought such amazing, who could do that mix of like horror and comedy at the same time because you had Gremlins. That's his brand, really.

I mean... And you had whatever, you said he did The Burbs. Yeah, Burbs, Matinee, both of those. Like, it's a fun movie, but it's also, like, really serious at points about a pretty serious topic. Some of the stuff that they did in Eerie Indiana, the original series.

It was, you know, it wasn't really dark. I would say dark, dark. It was kid dark. Yeah. You know what I mean?

But it was serious stuff. You know, you had a fucking kid dying and a girl getting a heart transplant. She's being haunted by the guy whose heart she now has. That's a lot to deal with. So...

And then there was one episode that was very disturbing behavior. I'm like, the disturbing behavior watching this episode? Because it's like they're at school and all the bad kids have to go get this eye exam. And they come out with these glasses and they're all very well behaved. And they're very well mannered.

I'm like, hmm. I wonder if this is like, did whoever watched this? Was like, well, this is for kids. But what if we got cool teenagers? Exactly.

If we made a cool R-rated movie. Was it rated R? Seemed like it probably was. I don't know. I need to watch it again.

As you were describing it, I was like, oh yeah, that was kind of awesome back in the day. I need to watch that again. I thought it was PG-13, but I could be totally wrong. I have the book, too, but I haven't read it. You're right, it's rated R.

Holy shit. I just don't remember there being that much rated R, like, But stuff. That was like back in the day when they would still make R-rated stuff that wasn't even meant to be adult-oriented. It was just like cool teenagers, and they were like, we know kids that are going to watch this probably aren't the age to get into R-rated movies, but we're going to make it like that anyway. There were a lot at that point that almost don't make sense.

You'd think they would plan ahead and make it PG-13, but a lot of them I still feel like at that time still are. Yeah, it reminded me of that, just in that way. Who else did we decide was on an episode of Eerie Indiana? Oh, Claude Atkins? Atkins?

Yeah. Atkins, I think. That one cowboy guy who was in an episode. He was in a ton of stuff. Yeah.

He played a cowboy. As you said it, yeah, that's what I was telling Jay earlier. I was like, I pictured him in a cowboy hat. So I'm like, I know he was on at least a cowboy show. See, in my head, he's still that guy from The Twilight Zone, The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street.

That's one of the best episodes ever. I love that one. Every time it's on. I like it, but it's kind of overplayed. But it's like, again, he was so ahead of the curve.

You're watching that, and I'm like, this says so much that no way in hell was anybody else addressing this kind of stuff back in the day. Hell, they don't do it now, let alone back then. I'm not doubting the genius of Rod Serling. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I literally have a tattoo of the guy on my arm.

I love everything he does. The hell you say. I mean, it's a good episode. It's not my favorite. It's a good episode.

I like it. It's one of my favorites. It's a good one. But again, it's one that's played so often that people don't realize that there are other episodes. Well, there are like six or eight that they run.

Or they also get all the promotion. They do t-shirts and toys and everything of those specific ones. How many seasons are there that they don't touch? Time Enough at Last always gets the hell promoted out of it. Eye of the Beholder.

What's another one? Monsters Are Due on Maple Street. Nick of Time Nick of Time gets a lot you're a little. Devahite guy yeah Invaders oh I hate that one you love Invaders. I just don't but anyways back to the story at hand we wanted to go I wanted to go to this convention because Omri Katz was going to be there and I don't think we've seen him at one like in this area like in this area.

Area which I said earlier as we were standing there in front of this table like It seems like all of his shows should be booked in Indiana. Does that not make sense? I mean, eerie Indiana. Why? Why?

You could have an eerie Indiana con and just bring on all the people that made guest appearances on the show. Except for Claude Atkins, because I'm pretty sure he's dead by now. Might be able to convince Toby. And that guy from... Whoever Dr.

Klopek was. Yeah, Toby McGuire. That's another one I forgot was in an episode. So good. So good.

But yeah, so now we're... throw a rock and you can hit Indiana. And he finally came here. So I was totally stoked. That's awesome. So yeah, I went and got his autograph and he was like super friendly.

Like he was really friendly. Like we stood around and talked to him for a while. I can't tell if it was like, if he's normally that social or if he was a little high, but whatever. He was, he was definitely super friendly. And like, even the lady that was working his table was just like, cause he wasn't behind the table when we walked up there.

And she's like, Yeah, he doesn't really sit down. He likes going out there and talking to people. He hasn't really sat down all day. so he just liked being like up and standing like a normal person having a conversation that's what he did with us he was in front of the table the whole time just talking to us. Yeah i was trying to i was trying to ask him like is it weird i mean he like left the whole acting scene relatively early was it i don't want to say like 2002 2006 or whatever he was like done. Yeah.

So he went on to, what did he say? I thought he said it. Was right after Hocus Pocus is when he left. I don't know. I've never seen Hocus Pocus.

I don't know when it came out. I'm one of the few females, I guess. Especially females, I was going to say. I was telling you, I'm one of the people that doesn't like Live and Die by Hocus Pocus. I've never seen it.

Well, Hocus Pocus came out in 93, so. So, yeah, that would have been after he wrapped up the series. Maybe he tried to come back. I thought I read somewhere that he came back and then officially retired in the early 2000s. Oh, yeah.

So maybe he did that, then he went off and did his Grateful Dead tour. Apparently he followed the dead around for a while. He was finding himself. I'm going to guess. And then he went, I'm like, how do I know more of your story than you do?

Because you seem confused. I wonder if I weirded him out. Then you got into snowboarding, right? Because I'm like, I want to be one of them. My boyfriend got into snowboarding too.

You want to know what happened? He got his foot turned around. No, you don't want to know what happened. We've traumatized other celebrities with our stories. I didn't realize he was in Hocus Pocus.

Yeah, he's one of the other kids. I've never seen Hocus Pocus, so I wouldn't know. We're apparently the guy from NCIS, whose name I can't remember right now. Dude, that's a paycheck. Sean Murray.

What's his name on the NCIS? Because that's how I would know. I don't know. Special Agent Timothy.... McGee.

Oh, McGee. McGee, duh. You get on one of those NCIS shows, you ride that out, man. Dude. That is a paycheck.

But yeah, I've never seen it. I'm not big on Sarah Jessica Parker's face. Yeah, she was the most acceptable for me. That was my thing. I was like, I don't really care about Bette Midler.

Kathy just gets on my nerves. Like, she's always kind of bugged me. Oh, your friend Doug Jones was in. Yeah, Doug Jones is the one selling point, and I'm still just like, I'll watch the Doug part on the loop or something, but. Is there just a Doug Jones cut?

That's what I'm saying. I'm sure there's a super cut. The internet loves Doug Jones. Of course, somebody's done a super cut. Who doesn't love Doug Jones?

So, but yeah, that was one of those, like, it was cool seeing that he was in that, though, because I'm like, now that's like a super beloved property. So, like, he can ride that out the rest of it, even if he wasn't in eerie Indiana. It's like just doing those, because I think they even do, I remember looking it up, there's like a con that's just centered around The Hocus Pocus now that they do every year. That those three kids now show up and, like, hang out and probably do a Q & A. Dash X was there as well, who was also, wasn't he in Hocus Pocus?

Yeah. Wasn't he the voice of Salem from, like, something? Or was he not? Am I making that part up? I don't know.

All I know is Salem the cat. That's what I'm talking about, Salem the cat. That robot cat was crazy. He was a lot shorter than I anticipated. But, yes, we talked to Omri Katz for a good, like, what, 10, 15 minutes?

I'd say at least. I'd say it was a good 15 minutes. eventually i was like these other people are going to be annoyed but at the beginning we weren't you know there wasn't a line so like we we felt comfortable having a normal conversation yeah he talked. About what he did after he kind of quit he went to be like a was it like a waiter to a host or something and then went to like a haircutter after. He was already like a somewhat successful actor i mean when you get your own run of a show i'm not saying he made a ton of money but like even to get on a show is more than a lot of people. So he'd already had that before he got to his waiter years.

Like usually it goes in reverse. Like you're doing the waiter gig while you're, you know, going to auditions and like not showing up for work and getting fired. And then you get another waiter gig, but like he did it the other way where he'd already had a successful show for a season. Obviously it wasn't that successful, I guess, but that's cause they put it against 60. Minutes, but seriously, the worst time.

That was the, that was the network being stupid. So, But, yeah, so he'd already had a good job and then, like, left that and ended up having to go wait tables, which kind of sucks. But if you just don't want to be an actor anymore. That's kind of what I wanted to hear a little more about, really, is, like, that maybe he likes the fact that he doesn't have to deal with that. Like, a lot of people just get to a point they don't want to do all that nonsense involved.

So I'm like, yeah, I'd be okay with that. Just get a nice steady gig and get yourself a regular job. So I wondered if he found a little piece in that that you weren't playing the game that is the entertainment industry. Yeah, I was curious as to what he does now. As I was looking up, I'm like, does he do anything?

No. Apparently he has his own... He does something. It's just not showbiz. He has his own thing.

He grows marijuana for, I guess, people have to get their pot somewhere. If you watch Sheriff Country, that's what it's all about. So apparently he grows it and I guess it gets sold to other people. It goes out to dispensaries and stuff. Yes, I guess.

I don't know how any of that works. I don't really. Again, that's most of my experience is watching Sheriff Country. Because now it's all these farmers back off on the land and they used to do it illegally. And now all of a sudden they get.

To do it legally. They have more power to them though. Yeah. It's interesting watching that shift now that our country and so many different places are going through this. Because that's what I was telling him when we were standing there.

I was like, This area just got medicinal. So like we just got our first dispensary here. So it's like people are just figuring out how the legal version of this works now. Which I'm all for being legal. I mean, I don't, I don't do it.

I don't smoke pot. I've never, I said growing up in a pothead house, it doesn't, it doesn't do anything for me. And I've tried like the gummies and they made my heart feel like it's going to explode. Yours has like the reverse reaction of how things are supposed to work on, you know, weed based stuff. But I guess again, like I, Like I said, my mom, my whole childhood.

Then I dated a guy when I was 16. And he was a pothead. And he wanted me to be a pothead with him. But then I'm like, he got me several times. I smoked it with him.

I'm like, this is doing nothing for me. You are wasting your money. That's what I'm saying. I think you're, as a child, you built up like a tolerance that's like off the charts. Because you're surrounded by so much secondhand smoke.

Well, because even Amarket says that certain people have like this chemical, like, it just doesn't affect them. It's just a different balance, probably, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I just gave up on it. Yeah, I don't care.

I just never did. Like, it's such a lifestyle choice. You know, it's like when you're into that world, it's like you're immersed in that world. It's rare that somebody's just kind of casually, oh, occasionally I might smoke a joint. Like.

That's not how it is. Like usually if you're into it, you're into it. And I'm fine with it. I don't care. Yeah.

That's what I was saying. I was like, I don't do it. But like I've gotten to the point now I want to prescribe it to people since I pretend like I'm a doctor. It's like it has so many. It does have so many medical.

Yeah. And I would rather be around somebody that's high than somebody that's drunk. Most definitely. And it's like because drunk. I'm sorry.

I went down my little soapbox here. Drunk driving is fucking dangerous. It kills so many people. Mm hmm. People are high.

You're like, why is this car in front of me going five miles an hour? I'm not saying there aren't incidents that people do become reckless. I'm sure there are. Somebody always wants to complain about that, too. And I'm like, yeah, but let's do the math.

Tell me how many a year go out because of drinking versus any other kind of drug probably still pales. In comparison to drinking. And how many people get abused physically. Because of drinking? Nobody's getting high and kicking your ass.

Come on now. They're just wanting to order where their fucking Cheetos are. Yeah, they just want to order a pizza. And again, I'm not saying that there aren't certain situations. There are.

Or if they get something that's laced with something. But there are exceptions to the rule. Always. Whereas, I would rather be around somebody that's high than somebody that's drunk. And there are so many more usefulness...

There are so many other benefits. Medicinal purposes. There's rarely a medicinal purpose to drinking. Like, they'll give you that, oh, a glass of wine today is good for your heart kind of bullshit. But I was like, yeah.

Also, that made me feel like I was going to die. Again, your system is way out of whack. Because I read the whole thing about it just a little bit before bedtime. They tell you that. I was up all night long.

My heart racing. Couldn't breathe. Thought I was... And it wasn't even like a glass. It was like...

We should say about this much in a glass. An inch worth of wine. Yeah, maybe not even a cup worth of wine. No, no, no. I mean, a cup's like this.

I mean, I had like maybe a quarter of a cup. Like, break out a measuring cup. Maybe a half a cup at the absolute most. But it Again, like, that's just... Of all the things that they tell you that stuff for, it's still, like, going to be a fraction of the damage that gets done due to people getting boozed up and doing God knows what.

Both to their system and to people around them. No, we're going to be wrong. Some people can handle a casual drink now and then. I know plenty of people that live and die by booze. So I'm not saying this, you know, ignorantly.

I've witnessed it. I see plenty of it. I know lots of people who have had good versions of it and bad versions of it. I grew up in one of those homes that was... yeah yeah i had the alcoholic and i had the pothead so i had and now i can't do either one of those. Things well darn except i don't care myself so yeah i don't really feel that bad for you because you're fine.

But yeah so we got to talk to omri and he like said omri like we're best friends now you see how i did that well. I mean we did have quite a conversation because we did go down that road way more than i expected like i knew you'd read that about him but then we got into like half of our conversation went into the the because i was. Curious because i said that he got into like the marijuana production and i just didn't know if it was was it just the pot or was he getting like production of like Edibles. Edibles or like the oils or the, you know, stuff like that. I'm curious.

I want to know these things. And he was super cool and open about it and like went into like what he has done, what he doesn't do. Like he was really cool about it. So that's, yeah, I was super interested just on a normal conversation. Again, we weren't even talking movies anymore or TV shows.

It was just like, you know, as a person who works in this industry that you do now, like what is that like and how does this whole process happen? And yeah, that was really interesting. I was curious. I want to know things. It was very cool.

I don't know if it's because of said business that he didn't seem to remember a lot of references I was making to his TV show. Also, it's been a long time. I also heard that he was high a lot on Hocus Pocus. I'm just curious. That was one of the search recommendations.

I was looking up Omricats. It's like, was Omricats high on Hocus Pocus? Also, people say a lot of random crap on the So I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying. Apparently he said it in other interviews.

Apparently he has said it in interviews where like him and some of the other cast, which again, I don't give a shit. I don't care. I'm all for it. Have fun. Just as long as all parties are willing and you don't hurt anybody, go to town, whatever.

You know, exactly. I don't care. I mean, I think pot is one of the least harmful substances, but yeah, I can see it as a gateway drug. But if you just stick the pot, not that I'm, not that I'm like pushing it. I'm not a dealer.

Like again, most people that are into pot just find more ways to ingest more pot. Like again, I think it's a handful that go into like two weeks later, they're doing smack, you know, it's just like. My boyfriend was tripping fucking balls on his, uh, when he had his edibles, you were going on adventures. Cause yeah, you had like, You had the gummies and then you had the cookies. Was it cookies or brownies?

It was cookies. One of the guys at my work. The most trustworthy of places to pick up your wheat. Well, yeah, I mean, he was, yeah, I was getting edibles through him. But he made some white chocolate chip cookies.

And some of it wasn't evenly distributed to the cookie. One of the dangers of random do-it-yourself. And I had one cookie and, you know, went out to the garage and completely rebuilt the engine on my Corolla. And, you know, and then another cookie, I would have it, and then I'd be traveling through space. Also working on your car?

No, no, I didn't. Work on the car. I don't even think I made it out of the. The space hangar i only made it i. Only made it out of the uh out of my little office area i call it an office it's not really an office it's my room and i got stuck in a time loop uh where i kept asking misty the same question over and over.

Again irritating the bejesus out of me. I can see that it was weird though because it's like i remember certain aspects of it like I was sitting there watching TV, and I don't even know what the question was, but I was like, I need to go ask girlfriend a question. And then I. Would get up to go ask her a question, but then I would end up sitting back in front of the TV, and I was like, did I ask her the question? I was like, I need to go ask her that question.

But it seemed like every time I got up to go ask her the question... And I walked down the hallway, I would end up right back in the room sitting in front of the TV trying to figure out if I ever asked her that question. Five times. God damn it, boyfriend. On your end, how noticeable the very first time were you like, whoa, what the hell's going on here?

When he was loading the dishwasher and he just busts into laughing like it's the funniest goddamn thing. And I'm like, did you eat one of your gummies? Yeah, I did. And you just started laughing and you'd be in a good mood. And then you kind of be kind of like staring off into space.

Like shit was coming to get you. Yeah. Spaceships come flying through space. You never know. You got to watch out about watching YouTube when you're high.

Sometimes, um, at least, you know, like he had talked about the difference between smoking weed and, and, and doing edibles, your liver processes it different. Um, Because when you smoke it, it goes more into your bloodstream. Yeah, you get more of a mellow high. And then when you ingest it, depending on the amount, which apparently there was fairly large amounts in the cookies, your liver processes it and you end up tripping balls, you know, like severely sometimes. Plus it's not like if you're getting it from a, I'm sure it's regulated even in the way it goes in so that it's evenly distributed.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Versus making it at home. You might get one that's almost nothing versus one that's, Oh. That's kind of concentrated.

That's kind of the way it was, you know? Yeah. And, uh, it started getting really bad cause it went from just, it went from just using them to kind of help focus my ADHD and my, a little bit of anxiety. Um, But then it was getting worse, and so I just quit doing it because I wasn't having fun. And you were getting on my goddamn nerves.

Yeah, that too. That's bound to happen anyway. Well, I wasn't really doing anything, you know. I was kind of becoming sedentary, just going to work. And coming home.

Yeah, that can happen too. And I think that was part of my issue was that I wasn't doing anything physical. And then I think I got back into Muay Thai. started doing that again more and that kind of replaced everything because you know all the endorphins you get kind of a high from training and that takes a lot of the anxiety away and stuff like that and then I moved from that and went back to skateboarding and I skate quite a bit so I don't have time for any of that now you've replaced it with a whole new high yeah now it's just fear endorphins Just trying to fight through the fear of dropping in on ramps and stuff like that. You showed me a picture earlier. You were doing pretty impressive stuff.

Yeah. My boyfriend's so cool. Well, I mean, just looking at that photo, I was like, yeah, I'm going to roll and die from this point where you're at right now. So the fact that you landed and are still here is pretty impressive. Yeah, I'm trying bigger ramps and stuff.

I mean, the biggest ramp they got out here right now is, like, I think the MetaRamp, which is, I think it's 12 feet. It might be higher than 12 feet. But, yeah, I'm not dropping in on that anytime soon just because it's pretty big. And I'm kind of scared of heights, which is kind of silly. But, you know, it is what it is.

I don't think it's so much being scared of heights. It's just I don't want to break anything because. I've got to work. You've already broken several things. I've already broken enough stuff, yeah.

And, again, you kind of just roll off that stuff when you're, like, 12. You're not 12 anymore. No, I'm not 12 anymore. Now you break something, you broke it. It's in bad shape and it might be your hip.

So don't do those things. He's broken his ribs twice. He's broken a toe. Yeah. Broken one of my fingers.

Why'd you break a finger? That was from training, actually. That wasn't from skateboarding. But, yeah, that stuff takes a while. Gosh, why does it take so long to heal up now?

You know? It's like you're getting old. Like Thanksgiving. Things take, scars don't heal up anymore. Yeah.

I mean, it's just, your body gives up at some point. It's just like, I'm halfway out of here, man. Yeah, that and old injuries. I ain't going to put that much work in you anymore. Old injuries come back.

Oh, that was another reason I was taking some of that stuff was to try to. mitigate some of the pain. I was thinking that, as you said. I was like, if there's anybody who would need it medicinally, you've damaged so much in so many different ways. I can see you hurting a lot, just in general. Yeah, I took CBD for a while because I screwed my back up pretty bad from work and then I got hit by a car when I was on a motorcycle.

That wasn't cool. Not a good time. I took CBD oil for a while. And that helped out a lot, but then eventually I just kind of didn't need it. And right now I'm just not taking anything.

I'm just wrapping everything in copper fit and old bones therapy sleeves and just kind of going from there. That's the way to live. Yeah. Wrapped in things that are as seen on TV. Yeah, well.

Yeah, I guess they are. That's where I know those from. Yeah, Copperfish. Copperfish is shit. Well, you did all your watching of that, right?

That's pretty much what you've seen as of the last week or two. Aside from that shitty movie you tried to get us to watch. Well, then let's talk about a movie. Now, actually, you were connected to this because you were there when I bought this movie. And I was equally unimpressed when the first saw it.

That's true. Even at the time, I was like, hey, look at this. You were like, yeah, so. I was like, oh, hmm. I might have to watch this.

And then I watched it and I was like. And then you wait until the last minute and be like, hey, watch this fucking movie. And I'm like, dude, seriously? Last minute? I was like, if we need to talk about something, we could talk about this.

And I'm not going to pretend like this movie's not bad because it is. But it is a lot of things to talk about. I'm not sure how much input I'm going to have because I kind of only halfway watched a part of it. I mostly wanted to tell you about the weird off screen goings on anyway. To me, that's way more interesting because I watched it that first time.

This movie is, just so you know what we're talking about, Jane and the Lost City. It is from 1987. I picked up the DVD because of course. Should we make our own movie called Mary Jane and the Lost City? No, this is a very special episode.

We can see if he's up for it. He might be. It's time for his comeback. He might have been able to do the podcast. I'm telling you, you should have asked him.

He seemed very chitchatty. He is very chitchat. That should be the name of the episode of Mary Jane and the Lost City. I'm all for that. So this one, yeah, looking at the cover, I roped it in with all the rest of them around this time in the 80s that was like, Raiders of the Lost Ark made a fortune and was actually critically beloved and the audiences loved it.

So everything came after that. And then you had the gimmick of Temple of Doom. So then between the two of those, you had... Everybody trying to make a knockoff Rated as the Lost Ark, and then titling all of their movies so that they were like, end of this thing, so that it seemed like it was something like that, and then you're going to watch it because you couldn't rent the good movie, so instead you're watching this thing. Well, there were all the knockoffs.

We got the Indiana Jones at home, and this is the version that you. Have at home. This is the one your grandma buys you for Christmas. Look, you love that Indiana Jones. A lot of the movies weren't even so much Indiana Jones-es, I don't think, but they... just kind of centered around that whole adventure thing.

As long as you were wearing khaki and there was a jungle or a desert or somewhere weird and exotic that you could set this treasure hunt that you were on. Good enough. All the Alan Quartermain movies. Oh, yeah. Romancing the Stone.

Firewalker. Firewalker. Yeah, even Chuck Norris got in it with Lugasa Jr. Lugasa Jr., yeah. Yeah, that was an odd movie.

That was the first time he was actually trying to be funny. You know and I don't know if it landed because even at the time I remember watching that weird ricochet scene I was like what what are we doing here like Indiana Jones gets in some weird stuff but this is almost getting. Ridiculous well yeah I mean I watched it mainly because I had Chuck Norris in it I was like oh this is gonna be cool because it's gonna be like Indiana Jones but like it's got Chuck Norris in it and he can kick ass so but then it was kind of He was trying to be funny. Instead it was like a buddy comedy. Yeah.

I was like. Set in that world. This is weird. But I mean. I still think it's funny.

But it's weird. Yeah. You know. It's definitely weird. But.

So I assume that's what this was, was just like a girl version. You know, we'll put a girl in the lead and it'll be awesome. Well, it's based on a UK comic book, I think, or comic series. That's where, yeah, that's where we're going. It also, like, they were kind of, there's definitely a Perils of Pauline that's like an old movie that they made from back in the day that was kind of that same idea of, like, she's at the center of it and it's an adventure type of story that's also based on pre-existing stuff.

I assumed it was also going to lean closer towards the because at that time you also worked in the way more adult version because I definitely as a kid probably way too young was watching the Perils of Gwendolyn did you see the Perils of Gwendolyn in the Land of the Yik Yak or whatever the hell the full title was no because it's like Tawny Katane and oh don't worry they're naked most of the movie like it's still trying to be a weird adventure movie but It is so much nudity. It is ridiculous. It was the 80s. I assumed that's where it was going. You know, I was thinking about it after we kind of turned off the movie because we had to go to bed.

It was 3 o'clock in the morning. And it was dumb. I was like, you know, the 80s. I was trying to tell Misty. I was like, this seems very Benny Hill-ish to me.

Which to me is very British humor. And we all know. How much I fucking hate British humor. But I was going to say. It's an acquired taste.

Yeah, I was going to say the 80s was kind of a weird time. Like one of the movies that I remember seeing that was kind of along the lines of a ripoff movie, but then very much adult oriented was like Death Stalker. Yeah. So it was kind of ripping off the Conan movies. But again, Death Stalker's got a lot of.

But I enjoyed that. It was at least fun. Yeah, it was fun because it wasn't British comedy that you don't like. But I was thinking how things were in the 80s. You know, I was like, this is the comedy back then was a lot different.

And in. Terms nowadays, people would look at it and just be like, this is very much rape culture. You know, the way things have changed. Too much of that. There was a lot of clothes.

Getting ripped off. So. Sam Jones, was that his name? Yeah, Sam Jones. He got fucking drugged, like they roofied him.

Yeah, there's a lot of that stuff going on that I feel like, because there's a lot going on in this that I'm like, I don't know that this would go over well now. Oh no, it wouldn't go over well at all. Let alone in the 80s. But also just the general, well... Again, fair warning when you get into this.

I hope by now you've already decided, I don't need to watch that movie. Don't watch this. But if for some reason you take it upon yourself. Also, the depiction of the natives. I'm like, oh, this seems very racist.

Oh, yeah. It was like the way they're treating these guys is not okay. Even though I think, I mean, they did shoot it in this weird island. I think at the time they were the only people. movie that had ever shot there. It may have still been the only movie they ever shot there.

They may have ruined the whole system there. But yeah, it was off the coast of Madagascar or something, so it was legitimately off in the middle of nowhere in the jungle, but it just seemed like, I don't know that this is the right way for these guys to be treated in this story, but whatever. That was still pretty minimal compared to the... Also, the other thing I don't feel like... The Nazi humor.

Again, slapsticky. This is coming from an era when it was okay to watch Hogan's Heroes, too. So, like, it was a different time. You could still do that. But I'm like, it's so casual the way it's just like Nazis, whatever.

Where now I don't feel like people treat that whole topic like that. This is something that's only been recent because I've gone back and looked at Comic-Con or convention footage. And when we were in Chicago... In the early 2000s, there were people that were dressed up in cosplay and as Nazis. And there was not anybody even batting an eye because it was comedy.

Well, you know, that's a different world. Why I think even then and they thought it was OK, because I do I do remember seeing some stuff about this movie. And then they were doing again. I bought the special edition. Thank you very much.

It came with a commentary that I did listen to, and I have to say, the commentary is way more interesting than the movie itself. That would not take much. That bar is incredibly fucking low. But they were talking about specifically the Nazi humor. They were like, this, in general, not only at the time, but specifically because this is a British production...

That's kind of how Britain operated because they were like in the middle of it. Like, hell, they're getting bombed by Germany back in the day. So like this stiff upper lip way to deal with things is like, well, we can't do much about it, but we're going to make light of it. We're going to make jokes. And, like, it's okay.

So they didn't take it super serious because they dealt with super serious for real when it was going on. Well, yeah, they almost got completely wiped out. Yeah. I mean, it destroyed their city. So I think they were discussing how, like, in Britain it wasn't as big a deal.

Like, we got super serious about it in America. But, like, in Britain they were just like, yeah, that sucked. We were there. And our only way of kind of compensating and trying to deal with all that trauma, yeah, we're going to make a joke. Granted, it's going to be British humor, so it's not necessarily going to be funny, but that's a matter of opinion.

So yeah, again, I think the story behind this is way more interesting. So you referenced why, because that's the thing. I'm watching it, and in the first five minutes or so, she gets her clothes yanked off. And I was like, what the hell is this movie? And again, at the time, I was already kind of writing it off, but I didn't like that.

And the further I got into it, I was like, okay, now that becomes the most charming thing about it as it goes on. Because the rest of it isn't really funny. Like, it's not really a great adventure movie. So by the end, I was like, that almost becomes the fun part. Because it's not only, it's based on a comic.

It is a comic strip created by Norman Pett. And it was specifically for the British tabloid, The Daily Mirror. And it ran from December of 32 all the way through October of 59. But it was like full on during the Germany years, like during the wartime years. He specifically made this as a way to kind of deal with all that.

And it was, again, one of the subcultures that I've always liked is like the bomber girls and like pinup girls and like, it was drawing from all those things so it specifically made the lead this attractive woman because it was supposed to be like a distraction for the the soldiers essentially like they're sending off these comics to these guys and they're like here's something that'll cheer you up here's a girl in her underwear yay which is you know same thing they're painting on their planes so like once again the behind the scenes is way more interesting than this ridiculous movie because that's why it's like that and in the comic she literally like it's it was the racy adult comics before all the rest of them before you get your little annie fannies and oh wicked wandas that showed up decades later This was doing a lighter version of that.

It's just like, wouldn't it be tantalizing if this woman was in her underwear all of a sudden? And then that's what they did. Over and over. Over and over. So again, as the movie went on, once I found that out, I was like, well, now the running joke of that is almost...

It's so ridiculous that it happens. And it happens in one shot. Not like a little piece comes off. The entirety of her clothes is off in one second. And like, I was like, how many fucking outfits did she pack?

Obviously a lot. The more impressive thing, though, is every time she's wearing the most beautiful set of underwears and like stockings and garters, like, you know, all women wear. Like, that's how you go around all the time. I'm sure every woman out there. So to me, that stuff was like so ridiculous that it was funny that like the running joke of that.

Coupled with, like, that's why it's here. It's meant to be, like, a distraction for your soldier boys. Which, again, isn't necessarily not sexist. But for the time it was going on, it was an acceptable thing. So I found all of that in the real world story to be interesting.

Unlike what was going on on screen. Which was not really. Because it's a bad action movie. And the thing I thought that was really weird is the fact that it came out when it did. Because it's also right there in the middle of the 80s.

Now, it had a weird resurgence. Like, there was also a TV series on the BBC, like, right before this, or a couple years before this, that was, like, almost, like, half animated. Like, remember the old Spider-Mans that were on, like, Electric Company that were, like, kind of a comic strip, but kind of live-action, too? Yeah. Like, I watched these.

They were, like, 10-minute little clips. Like, they were, like, super short stories, and it was also live-action people, but kind of standing in front of what would be a drawing, and they'd do, like, comic book-y things. And once again, she'd fall out of her clothes. So, like, it did the same gimmick over and over again. But it had, like, a weird resurgence there in the 80s.

And then they made this one movie, and that's all that came of it. But I was like, this is in the 80s when, granted, a little different in Britain. But I'm like, you're also putting it out in a system that's flooded with your porkies and your screwball and your, like, your hots and every other thing that was on late night. cable that like it's nothing but girls taking their clothes off fully like this is like the biggest tease movie you've ever seen because she never is not in her underwear like it never fully commits to and this is gonna be a hot sexy movie no it's just this the gimmick of her in her underwear is it that's the end of the joke and i'm like i can see watching this and be like what the hell I am a 12 year old boy and you're going to make my head explode.

Damn it. Are you going to give me boobs or not? And then they don't. And like, I don't know. On so many levels, this movie is weird.

Well, you were saying like 80s stuff. A lot of the movies were like that. Even the teen movies. I don't know if you remember the movie, Just One of the Boys. Oh yeah.

I saw that when I was probably in eighth grade, eighth or, no, maybe I was a freshman at, at a, party like that's I don't know it might have been somebody's birthday party I don't remember but it was like we were all just there it was like everybody from the school like from that class we were all sitting there watching it and there's that part where. She like she has to prove she's. A girl yeah she has to prove she's. A girl it's totally important to the script. Yeah yeah it's totally important to the script and you're like just like what what did I just see you know so yeah I was like and that was was that a PG movie or was it PG.

13 I it might have still, like I said before, they still made things R that were kind of made for kids back in the day. I think it was R, but every kid in the world saw it because it was on cable and you rented it at the video store and nobody bothered to card you. And like, there were just such little regard for that sort of thing. Just one of the guys. Yeah.

Not boys. Yeah. Just one of the guys. Then you had just one of the girls that had Corey Hayman. Yeah.

Which is also pretty ridiculous. I'm trying to figure out what. But see, they did that... It's PG-13. Is it?

Yeah. You definitely get the full-on money shot of being there. At least of R-rated movies, which I guess this wasn't fully. But see, that's back in the 80s when they would do that. Because then you get to whatever the weird Amanda Bynes one was that plays that exact same game, and then she does it, but you don't see it on screen.

Because that was not the 80s anymore, and they didn't do that stuff. So... It's like, even when they made those kind of dumb movies, they didn't make them that, that kind of movie anymore. The 80s was its own weird special time. So, anyway, I don't know.

And then we got halfway through, and I'm like, where the fuck did this dog come from? I didn't realize she had the dog the whole time. Fritz! I was just, they were on a boat, like, where the alligator people were. And I'm like, where the fuck did this dog come from?

I mean, truthfully, Fritz was my favorite part. I hadn't been watching, I hadn't been paying that much attention, and I was just totally confused. I mean, he didn't have much to do. He's just cute, because he's a dog. And he found Sam Jones where he's being passed out and then the things, the candles are dropping shit on him.

Which again, and very also kind of, I mean, I always kind of thought the Indiana Jones was sort of the American, a little more rough and tumble 007. Like he's just getting into like finding artifacts adventures versus spy stuff. What was his name in this one? It was so stupid. It was something, John or Jack something.

Jungle Jack. No, because it came with a B. Because it was. Jack Brock. I don't know.

Because it had the very much... Jungle Jack Buck. Buck. Jack Buck. Jack Buck.

And I'm just like, ugh, dude, really? Yeah. Buck. Jack Buck. Real cool.

Yeah, I mean, but that was when they did the death thing. It was like, or you could just shoot him. Like, why would you leave this elaborate series of candles and strings to take him out instead of just put a bullet in his head and be done with this? But that's true of every Bond movie ever. So it's definitely playing on that little like game of I'm going to be the villain, but I'm going to do a really stupid thing now so you can escape in a minute.

I was just, like, puzzled how Maude, was it Maude Adams? Yeah, Maude Adams is the bad guy in this. I'm like, is she a white Grace Jones? Because, like, her cheekbones and, like, some of her outfits, I'm like, she looks like Grace Jones, but white. I mean, she has the distinction of being a Bond girl twice.

Yeah, look that up. Everybody likes her because she was double Bond. I mean, she's beautiful, and Grace Jones is beautiful, but they had, like, the same bone structure in the face. Striking. It was, and I'm just, like.

It's a couple of outfits she looked like Grace Jones in other movies, like the whole headdress thing she had on at some point. Maude did a lot of stuff, though. She worked pretty hard, because I feel like that last Silent Night, Deadly Night we watched, she was in, too. And it's not a good one, let me tell you. Granted, they're all bad.

But this one is, like, going off the rails bad by the time she shows up. So she worked a lot, Maude. So, yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was such a weird mixture of stuff. I will say, outside of the dog being cool, the only other thing that I actually legitimately liked and thought was well done, I don't think you got to.

Because towards the end, when they go to the Lost City of Tichelure Level. Oh, yeah, we did not make it to the Lost City. They meet the Leopard Queen. Let's just say she's not what you expect. specifically after the way that they've treated the other guys in the little tribes and whatnot. When you get there, like she is so entertaining and like, so not what you expect that.

I'm like, this is fun. I wish the rest of the movie was as smartly written as this little dynamic with her at the end of the movie. And she's only in it for a little while and then she's gone too. So we didn't make it that far. If you do bother to watch it, at least watch the leopard queen.

Cause she's cool. I liked her. Just fast forward to that part. Pretty much. You can pause if you want to see her in her underwear, but other than that.

Yeah, that's what was funny, too. It's Kristen Hughes as Jane. She's, like, several down on the list. Like, everybody else in the movie that's not in the title is, like, a well-known person. Like, hey, they were from that movie.

That was from that. You get to Kristen, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't know her from anything. I even looked her up. She did some TV around this time, and that was about it. And even then, it was, like, a one-off episode.

So, like. She didn't have a massive career. She doesn't have a photo on IMDb because she didn't work that much. So it's weird that she did have a photo on there would be in her underwear. She is the titular Jane, but she's not in it that much in the rest of her career anyway.

Well, I at least wanted to tell somebody about all the other stuff that came along with it because that was interesting. The movie, not so good. It was awful. And I was so mad. I'm like, what the fuck?

I mean, As I told you about it, I told you it was not a good movie. I just said there were many things to talk about, which there were. So too much British humor. Yeah, I didn't even get that vibe except the bad guy. That annoying Nazi guy.

Man, I did not like him. Me neither. His brand of comedy, I'm using air quotes there, was not for me. And that is the closest thing that was your standard British humor kind of nonsense. Because immediate rage every time he came on the.

Screen because the other guys that were technically British were just normal and like had normal conversations and didn't act stupid he acted stupid every time he was on screen and it was really annoying. Especially the scene where he's sneaking up on her in the shower. Oh lord so dumb so dumb I was like oh. My god this is beyond stupid yeah yeah I was not a fan. Not a fan.

Really dumb. You're lucky I made it that far into it because I was about ready. I was going to rage quit. I was just like, oh, dude, fuck this movie. I even said to boyfriend, I'm like, is it me or is this movie just un-fucking-tolerable?

Yeah, it's pretty bad. But again, as a story, it's interesting. That's pretty much where I've gotten at this point. I just want to talk about movies. I don't want to have to watch them.

Well, you have to watch them so you know how to talk about them. Well, if we do have a tie-in, I'll get away from the one that you hate. Thus, I figured because we were where we were going, I was also watching other stuff. This one I've been meaning to watch. I watched The Mystic, which as a tie-in for the horror con, I watched a Louisville-related horror movie because it is directed by Todd Browning, who is from Louisville, damn it.

Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah, Todd Browning was born in Louisville. Oh, I'll be damned. Mm-hmm. Now, I think he got out of here as quickly as possible because he had sips.

A lot of people do. And he was also like following a girl into the circus, which is the most Todd Browning thing ever. He was just like, she's cute. She's in the circus. I'm going to join the circus.

And there you go. He's a weird circus dude. One of us. Which also explains most of his movies because several of his movies are very circus and carnival oriented. One of which is The Mystic.

This is 1925, if you haven't seen it. And it is... It's one of his early silent ones, but I'll get back to that because this one, not 100% silent. But yeah, it's basically just criminal imports and a gang of Hungarian Romanies, I think we're supposed to call them now. They were from over there in Europe somewhere.

The gypsies? We're not supposed to say gypsies. I know. Anyway. But yeah, I think they call them Romanies from that.

And it's also like a bigger group. part of the world. So it kind of incorporates more people the way it's supposed to in this description. So they're basically just scamming people over in Hungary. And this dude comes up and is just like, hey, I've got a whole bunch of money and I want to run a scam and you guys would do great if you'd come back to New York with me. And so he just bankrolls them.

He's like, hey, come back and do your scam. Which that's the most amazing part is you're watching the beginning there and I'm assuming he like went to Hungary to shoot this or something because There's just this street scene, and I'm like, this is like a window in time. Like, you're getting a literal shot of all these extras out on a street in Hungary in 1924 or whatever it is. And, like, that's just amazing to me. Like, that's one of the many things I'm, like, fascinated by with film is just, like, the time stamp that you get on these things and you get to see places that don't exist anymore and are long gone, but we have a nice little snippet here in the movie, so.

I thought that was cool. I also had a question. Okay. I brought it up while we were walking around the convention. How weird would it be to like your dad passes away?

Already not a good thing. And then like you go to a convention and like there's somebody there dressed up as your dad. How fucking weird does that got to be? I mean, it's like. I still say yes, it is weird.

If you're also the kind of person who's been around that person who is your dad your whole life. And he is a crazy person who is known for being a crazy person and a beloved crazy person who did a lot of weird things over the years and had a specific look that was kind of easy to dress up like. I'd say eventually you'd get kind of used to it because it can't be the first time he's seen people dressed like his dad. Because, yeah, Jack Osborne was at the convention today, and we're wandering around, and there's this guy who's very obviously dressed up as Ozzy. And I'm like, Ozzy hasn't been gone that long.

Pretty recent, yeah. Let's say within the past year. Yeah, it's not that long. Was it this year or last year that he passed away? I can't keep track of all this.

I think it was the end of last year. Either way, it's like, that's just fucking weird to me. It is weird, I'll give you. Because you brought up the correlation to, like, the Vincent Price's daughter. But not many people are dressing up as Vincent Price.

Yes, there is so much, like, stuff that has his image on it, but you're not going to be sitting at a convention and somebody walks up dressed as your dad. Yeah. Probably. That's why I told you I remember asking Sarah Karloff that. I was like, your dad is on everything.

Like, is it weird to see him? But also, like, she was, you know, decades had passed since he was gone, you know, so it was like something she was kind of eased into over the years, I'm assuming. Although, really, even early on, there was a lot of his imagery around, but over the years, like, the universal monsters have become so huge. And like... But again, that's seeing pictures of your parent.

And he's in full makeup, too. That's not just seeing some guy walking around dressed up, not as a character, but dressed up as your dad. Yeah, because your dad was famous for being a real person, specifically a reality show real person at one point in his life, so that's as normal a thing as you can get when you're Ozzy. That's the closest to a real world existence as you get when you're Ozzy, because Ozzy lived a not-so-normal life, we'll say, but Yeah, I mean, it's a little weird, I'll give you. So that would just be weird to me.

Just the whole concept. I'm just like, is it too soon? Especially when it's a fresh wound like that, yeah. Because, I mean, like I said, it's been really recent. Yeah.

And you're just sitting there at your table, signing autographs, and then here comes, you know. But it's also funny that it's Ozzy, because, like, what if it was a dude dressed like anybody else's dad? They're wearing, like, a sweater vest and, like... old man glasses and a fanny pack or like something you know super dorky like everybody else's dad and like but this one you know he's dressed in like a long black coat and long hair and his cool round sunglasses so of course he looked like cool ozzy and like you can pull that off in the real world really let alone at a horror convention. Like yeah it was just it was strange to me it's a little weird i will give you it seemed kind of i wouldn't say tacky but just it's too soon.

Too soon It didn't make it better that it was as soon as it was. And it's like, it's just, you're just, you're just trying too hard at that point. I mean, I didn't even wear like an eerie Indiana shirt today. I could have, but I didn't because that was trying too hard. And it's not even, that just would have been like a world of stuff shirt.

It wouldn't have been like, here, I'm your dad, you know. It would be weird if you dressed up like that guy's dad from eerie Indiana. And then I wonder if that guy went up to get his autograph or if he just wandered around like looking like that. You never know. You never, I'm sure somebody has gone up to his table dressed like him, so.

But yeah, for a somewhat new convention here in the Louisville area, because I mean, you said it might have happened last year and we just missed it or something? I feel like I've seen the ad for it before and I just didn't know. Again, it was so new, I just didn't know what was going on. But this year I saw it and they had cool people and I was like, yeah, I think we should. Go check it out.

Like I said, they had the arm regrets. And then I saw that connection. I was like, oh yeah, send this over to Misty. Make sure she knows this is going on. So yeah.

Yeah. And that's how we ended up there. I mean, it's still relatively small, which is nice compared to some of the big ones we've gone to where you can actually, like, not bump into 48 people. And I do like that there was at least one booth there that was selling deodorant. Always a good step.

Nerd packaging. People should plan ahead. I'm telling you. And if they don't plan ahead, this booth had you covered. But it's small.

But, I mean, I see it. I see it growing in the future. There is one that takes place in, what, Evansville, Indiana? Yeah, their main setup is in Evansville, I think, originally. And I think there's one in St.

Louis. On the poster, yeah, they had three different cities. The other one was St. Louis, yeah. So I can see it, like, growing in the future.

It's just starting out, which made it a nice experience. Like I said, we got to talk to Omri Katz for, I keep saying it, for, like, a good long time. And then finally I started to feel bad. I'm like, we probably could have talked to him a while longer. He seemed like he was fine with it.

Again, I've seen people get that antsiness of like, okay, you need to go now, bye. I've watched it. I might have been there doing it sometimes. But most of the time I'm next in line and I'm watching it and I'm like, oh, this guy's going down a weird road. Wrap it up, buddy.

But you didn't get that vibe from him today. He was just hanging out, having a conversation. Like, hey, that's what I'm here to do. He was super cool about it. So yeah, that was fun.

I did like that he was honest about things. And I'm like, so do you like meeting people or are you just here for the money? He's like, well, maybe a little bit of both. Maybe a little bit of both. Job's a job, man.

I mean, I kind of understand that. But he seemed like he was enjoying talking to people, too. Yeah. Because he could have just been like, all right, sign it. All right, I got to go do stuff.

Again, just the fact that he wasn't sitting behind the table. Like, he was just out there, standing there, talking to people, having a conversation. Because when we walked up, he was talking to some other people. He was already out there talking to somebody. Else, yeah.

And that makes for a good experience. Yeah. I think that's missing from a lot of like the bigger conventions. And yeah, it sucks, I guess, for like the people that you're not, you don't have that line. You probably don't have that reassurance that this is something you need to be doing.

You know what I mean? Is that making sense? It's not overwhelming too. It's like, it's, it's a little more relaxed version of that where you can enjoy having a conversation. Well, I feel bad too because half the tables we walk by, I'm like, there's nobody at that guy's table.

There's nobody at that guy's, but I. Mean, that's just kind of getting it going, you know? But, I mean, Omri seemed like even if he didn't have somebody in line, he was talking to somebody. Yeah. And then by the time we left and walked around and came back, he had a line.

Yeah, he had a good line when we left. It wasn't just our fault for talking too long. It was after we left, and he had time for all these other people to show up. So, yeah, he had a good line when we left. But he seemed like he was still taking time to talk to everybody and when you get to these bigger conventions where it just seems like it's rushed and you have to like you have like all right here here sign 20 seconds.

To come up with a thing that you want to say to this person and then they hand you your photo and you're out of. There yeah so i mean i don't it's good to be able to enjoy conventions in their early days I mean, it's good. I understand it being better for the convention and better for the celebrities and better for everybody all around when they have a bigger turnout. But also, it's also a downside, too, because then you don't get that personal experience. It's a different experience when it's packed like that.

Because I remember definitely in the earlier years, before they got big, you would have time. And you could talk to the celebrities. And it wasn't that rush that. Okay next next next next. A series of people that i'm just auto pinning this thing and handed it to you yeah yeah it's a different.

Experience and he did ask for all of our names yeah he did and i'm like you're gonna forget you're gonna forget by the time we walk away aren't you he's like maybe probably but you. Know he made an effort so he was yeah he was super engaged. And like uh he was super nice it was enjoyable it was worth the uh experience I'm glad that it was a convention, like I said, that was smaller, that we got to have that experience. I hope, you know, are able to grow their, you know, the size if that's what they want. Yeah.

You know, if they would like, you know, again, it's cool having a small one, but I understand them wanting to be able to grow and have that bigger experience where you have the bigger names and you have the bigger space. But then, like I said, you lose a lot of the personal experience. like interactions. This gives you time to kind of connect with the people. So that's, I think that's important too. I think it's finding a balance between all of that.

And a lot of conventions have totally lost sight of that. It's just like, how much money can we make off this? Fuck anybody's personal shit. We want money and that's it. Which again, as somebody running a business, I mean, it makes sense.

I get it. Like it's how you keep the thing going. I understand. But at the same time, like you, it, The shine wears off of it after a while. And you're just like, oh, here they are again doing that thing they do.

And like, once the ball gets rolling, it picks up, you know, it's a giant snowball. It just gets bigger and bigger as the years go on. So it's like, yeah, this is heading towards you now. And you got to do all that stuff you did last year, only bigger and more crazy. Like I said, we've gone to a lot of conventions.

A lot. And I got to say, this was one of the more enjoyable ones for me just because, again, you got that time. Yeah. You know, it wasn't a crowd. You got to look at stuff.

Got to walk around and look at stuff. There was a good amount of merchandise there and different stuff that we hadn't seen. And, like, yeah, it was a good selection of stuff. And you got time to look at it. And it's like with a convention that's newer, you get to enjoy that before you know, well, this probably isn't going to last.

Enjoy it while it still stays small. Yeah, yeah. And even at the bigger convention, there are celebrities that take time. Yeah, it depends on who they are and then what the setup is. But sometimes, yeah.

It still holds true if you can find the right person. He was definitely one of those. But if we see him again in like five years and he's at like a big convention, is it going to be the same experience? Will he remember your name? Oh, God, no.

He'll be like, Misty, how have you been? I guarantee he's already forgot it. I don't know what you're talking about. He totally asked for your name. He was so nice.

He was very nice. So if anybody out there gets the chance and you see Omri Katz at a convention, fucking go do it. Give him your money. He's nice. Talk to him.

See if he'll sell you some drugs. Don't do that. I'm joking. Legally. That was a joke.

Not like in the parking lot later. Like, go on through. Make sure you are in a state. Yeah. That allows such things.

He's not a dealer. He does it. It's all legit. Police, don't go looking for him. He's a good guy.

It's fine. If it's all above board, it's cool. That's the state of the world we live in. Seriously, though. Good guy.

Very cool. All right. Well, there you go. You think we managed to get enough out of that episode talking about that movie? We did.

Okay, good. That movie sucked. I mentioned another one. That one's really cool. I haven't seen that one.

I was going to say, the thing that was different about that, though, it is like it's 1925. It's a silent movie. But this version, so I don't know if, I'm sure originally it wasn't like that. Somewhat recently, in the last couple years, they put it out on Criterion. And, like, this version not only has, like, music, because most of them, they add in music, you know, that's sometimes more modern, but they added in, like, sound effects and, like, general noise.

So, like, it's not, well, no, I mean, like, it's not quiet the whole time. Like, sometimes there's just that dead silence, or even with the music, it's still kind of, like, all this dead downtime. They add in dialogue. Well, I mean, they added, like, he goes up to the little, they're in, like, a weird little, like, almost like a train car kind of a thing that all the traveling performers have their little places it's like freaks basically they all still have their little cart where they have set up that they live in and he walks up and you get they added in a foley noise of knocking exactly when he knocks like somebody sat there and perfectly did it like a foley job just for this thing and then you get to later when they go to New York they're in this big room with these tile floors And there's like footsteps on the tile floors as they're walking back and forth.

And there's in the beginning where they're with the crowd that's watching them. They're watching like a tightrope walker. And there's all these people like mulling around. There's all these crowd noise that's going on. It's like not dead silence.

It's just like what you would be hearing in the scene normally. And then even the weirdest one I feel like was there's when he gets ready to start the seance that they do in this thing. He has the there's a specific the dad that kind of runs the thing while she's doing the scam. He has like a song that he tells them to sing. And there's a recorded song that comes on that's multiple.

And it actually fits like it's not it's the right amount of people singing it. It's sort of at the right level that seems like a room full of people singing, not like a choir. Like they put a lot of work into matching up the things that they added in with what was going on on screen. It was pretty impressive, I have to say. Like, you don't always get that from your silent film.

So, they put some work into this thing. So, yeah. If you haven't seen it. I haven't. Louisvillian Todd Browning made an awesome movie.

So, go check it out. Todd. That's not his actual name. Why would you go by the name Todd if that's not your real name? I don't know.

Because I looked it up and I was just like, why? He's got three names, none of which are Todd. What the hell is that about? So, very strange. What is his real name?

Hold on. Now I've got to look it up. I knew I should have put. It in there. Charles Albert Brownian Jr.

There you go. See, there's a lot of names there, none of which are Todd. Todd. Well, this being before George Carlin, maybe Todd wasn't the name that it is now. I mean, Todd's fine, really.

You know what I'm talking about, though? The whole thing with George Carlin talking about stupid names. That's one of his main grievances is the name Todd. He called out a lot of... stupid things in the way. Todd, Tanner.

What was the other one? Yeah, he made fun of several names. George Carlin did that. He made fun of things. I thought it was cool that Todd made that movie.

And it's pretty good. The weird thing I looked up for our last Louisville tie-in. This is weird. I had no idea. Again, I don't really pay attention to local sporty bullshit.

But the Todd Browning thing brought me to this. He grew up here in Louisville. His father, Charles, is the brother of old Pete Browning, who is a three-time batting champ who stole 103 bases in 1887. He stole them. What did he do with them?

But more importantly, Pete commissioned a bat, and he was the first person, I guess, to have a bat commissioned for him, and he was basically the start of the Hillerich and Bradsby Bat Company, which is the people who made the Louisville Slugger. So basically, you wouldn't have the Louisville Slugger if it weren't for the Browning family and all their contributions thereof. So, not only a badass film director, but his family. He's a badass family. Bat, get it?

It's been a long day. He didn't make The Bat. That's a different movie. Anyway, his family is the reason we have Louisville Sluggers. So, I thought that was pretty epic.

Now you can beat somebody's ass with one of those bats. So there we go. There's our fun facts. Learn something new every day. Yeah.

Learned about a really cool comic strip that they made a movie out of. A fucking awful movie. And I learned Todd Browning is super cool and his family is responsible for baseball bats. So there you go. And also that we have a cool new convention.

So. Theirs, again, came from Evansville. So to go find out more about them, it is EvansvilleHorror.com slash LouisvilleHorror if you're looking for this specific one. But the main one for Evansville is EvansvilleHorror.com. So go there and you can find out about all of their different conventions.

So, yeah, go check them out. They put together a good show. If you go to ThatHorrorCon.com, it'll also take you to a list of all their other shows, being Evansville, Indiana, Louisville, Kentucky, St. Louis, Missouri, and Nashville, Tennessee. So there you go.

Thathorrorcon.com covers it all. All right. Are you ready to wrap it up? I think so. Otherwise, that about does it.

We will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye-bye.

Bye. Bye. I live on boring streets. You can walk right down and never notice. Me.

I'm starved for company. Not a big white house or a wedding ring. I always wanted a magazine world where everybody wants to look like me. And hey, I'm eating. Everything in sight Well, don't curse this vanity I should.

Be God curse this vanity. I could be very. Gentle Ooh, and then they have the RaptorCon. Is that a fucking dinosaur convention? Dinosaurs will come to your house.

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