20: Code of Honor

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Hello. Hello. I've been wondering where Craig Shepherd has been, and god damn it, I got my hands. He's breeding in the night if he could figure out which hole the stick at end. On this episode of Onstagal, we're talking about twenty sixteens un justis like shitty titles at this point, like these are these?

Like these twenty sixteen movies have the lamest, most generic sound titles along with the titles of the characters. Names are bad, but my god, the movie's names are worse. On this episode, we're gonna be talking about twenty sixteen's Cold Honor. And tell me that doesn't sound like a knockoff of like Navy Seals Call of Duty. Yeah, you would think like a military Navy Seals kind of action FLA.

But no, nothing, nothing, no, no, yeah exactly, boy, I didn't even think about that. Yeah. So, ladies and gentlemen, this film is directed and written by one Michael Winnock. It stars Steven Seagal, at least that's what the box says. At least that's what the trailers would lead you to believe, but it's actually a story focused more on one Craig Scheffer, Yes, your lead from Night Breed, and he is a cop, a former excuse me, like a former military guy who's searching for Steven Seagal, who is a vigilante who has taken out the trash and I guess la a crime written la and he's a one man vigilante squad looking for looking for love and all the places including alley ways.

I mean, he's just the term he's a wrecking ball is what I would call this, because he is literally a human death machine in this movie. And it gets to the point where he's just like killing people with wanton abandoned women included, which again questionable kind of motives when we get to the Steven Seagal character. But Trevor, we'd never seen this movie before, neither one of us had, so I want you to give me your thoughts. What did you think of twenty sixteen's Code of Honor? Oh?

Good god right, that was my response when we got to the end of the movie. We're going to have so much to talk. I mean, you know, I think you knows fight club some some resident revenue sixth cents. Maybe just like pulling out, pulling out the stops right at the end. Yeah, God, what a fucking joke, right, Craig Sheffer has Oh man, he deserved shit, man does he though?

Because he knew what he was getting himself into. I guess you could say, can you imagine being the lead in a movie where the other actor who's the psychotic version of you is the one build on the poster slash the box? Yeah, I mean, ah, yikes, right, that's fucked up. I mean when your biggest star besides fan Damn Houstas met Or Louis Mandelor and h Craig Sheffer, you, yeah, prob I mean Louis manda As much as I love Louis Mandelor, I love Costas cost me too, Yeah, I like, yeah, I'm a fan of both of them. They're yeah yeah, um yeah, I mean he's he's The film starts out with like this drug deal going down, like factory parking lot or whatever, right, yeah, right, non descript parking lot out in the open and then uh, you see Seagal on the rooftop with a rifle and basically he's the best shot there is because he never fucking misses.

No. Oh, by the way, can we talk about the flood effects? You mean the after effects? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, terrible after effects. Why it couldn't afford squibs?

This movie could not afford scripts or like we'll just add it in post. They went to fucking Microsoft paint. But the thing is, like, this is what I expect. You know, we talked about on the Culture Cast recently, we talked about the Three from Hell or the Firefly trilogy, and in Three from Hell that Rob Zombie movie, he uses he uses those after effect blood effects, and I was just like, what the fuck Rob Zombie doesn't have a budget to deal with this. I expect it here, Like I'm not surprised here because it's you know, these movies are made on like what I imagine is a shoe string budget outside of the fact that they have to entice segall into being in them somehow.

To paraphrase the director of Swingers, Um Doug Lyman, the budget for this one was probably what the movie, uh, probably what a Navy seal spent on their catering budget, right, Yeah, I mean that's essentially it Like, that's like that, that's where that's that's where I come in with this movie. It's like I have seen better kinds of these movies. Yeah, this is the action movie version of the I've never seen an action version of this. Have you like this twist? The twist?

I mean it's a it's a very poorly done twist, but it's a twist that I have not seen done in an action movie. No, I will give that credit. I have not seen this before. Unfortunately, it was spoiled because I had already watched a review from one of my favorite online reviewers, and I had seen that because I was as I was watching the film, like have I seen this before? Did we do this?

And I just forgot about it? Did we just forget we did this film? Then it hit my end like, oh my god. I watched a dmudahg in Film Brain review about this movie, and I know the twist before the twist happened, and I'm like, oh, Gryce, even the execution the leading up to it is terribly done, really badly done, and maybe I should just skip them. Me and watch the review probably would have saved me some time, like an hour at least.

Well, that's why I didn't watch the review, like I never watched anything before I watched movies anymore, because I don't want to regurge someone else by act. And I'm not saying you are. What I'm saying, it's it's a very real problem that could happen, because I don't want someone to be like, well, you stole my thought. It's like I did well to be fair, it was a review i'd seen before we get started this podcast. Oh sure, well that's like, that's my point, like it doesn't count anyways, But my god, this movie's twist is just idiotic, Like what's what's insane is it doesn't make any sense?

And well, yeah, exactly, And that was my next point, is they it doesn't make any sense on the face of it with the first twist, and then they double twist it, which makes even less sense than the actual twist. So it's it's compounding stupidity. You twisted yourself, and now you have fucking played yourself, because what they try to do at the actual end of this movie is fucking frankly insulted. Yeah. Actually, I was like stupid, like so fucking stupid.

I don't even understand what in the holy hell they were going for because it makes no sense. Let's set it none zero zero sense. Does it make none? Well, here's the thing, Uh, Craig Shriver's chair for. We don't really know vig even is FBI or whatever.

He just shows up. He just shows up because he's doing this all on his own, independently, because he knows Sigal. He knows because they I think they served together. Yep. Yeah, in the military.

He was like his like sense say, in military. Yeah, so he knows what Sigal was capable. So that's why he's like on the trail of this guy because he wants to catch him before because he knows how good he is. That's what And that's what he tells Lewis Mandy Lord. You don't get the sense that like he's operating on his own.

You find that out later in the movie that he's like, you know, discharged and he's kind of like he's a whacko. You know, he's his age, his cannon on his own. He's a loose cannon. Yeah. So it's yeah, and so that's the whole thing.

It's like, you don't get the sense that there's gonna be a twist because again, they're not confident enough as filmmakers to handle the twist in the right way, so they fucking fumble it and instead of trying, Instead of trying, which was would have been really hard and would have required some ability to execute properly, they just throw the twist in and like do the minor of like most minor of things. He's like he's a loose cannon, which is like probably their way of saying, like, oh, he's killing people, and the thing with the double knives, it's like, oh, he's he's unhinged. To me, it's like they're those were their attempts at foreshadowing, and those are really lame and like they don't work at all.

No, they don't. And frankly, I mean Louis Mandalora, I mean he needed more scenes because he was he was just the best part of this movie. He's gone to like a forty five minute spam. Yeah, they don't really do anything with his character other than other than him talk about give exposition kind of bookends. He frankly kind of just bookends the movie.

He's at the main, you know kind of drug drop at the beginning where Stigall shows up, and then he's there at the end where the building explodes. O Jesus fucking Christ's squibs look at the explosions and yeah, it's like this movie halfway through decided like let's just have a full on fucking aneurysm because it just loses its mind. It just goes yeah. Okay, so the twist is okay. So here's the twist.

I want you. I want you to spoil the movie because we haven't really spoiled it. Okay, I don't think we can talk about this movie anymore without spoiling it. Okay, spoilers stop here if you don't want to hear anymore. All right, do you want me to do both twists?

Are just the one, the first one. Let's talk about it, Okay. So from here on out we're doing spoilers, but we're spoil and we're gonna talk the twist and the counter twist. Yes, so apparently, I mean Chrick Scheffer's character has like a file that he's you know, been discharged. He's had issues with his you know, can't handle himself.

He's kind of been having breakdowns and shit like that. And then we are told to believe or meant to see that, uh, Shecheffer and Seagal are one and the same, that Seagal is a figment of Shecheffer's imagination that he's using as a projection of a person who is taking down these criminals, when it's actually Cheffer killing these criminals. And and we're meant to think that Segal is just all in his head all that kind of the twist from My Bloody Valentine. So is Seagal ever exists? Yes?

Okay, so Segal was a real So it's kind of like the thing in Dexter. That's the way I imagine it. It's like like his dark passing. Well, the end, they confirmed he exists, remembercause they top in the rooftop right and and Segal says, uh, you know, clever making them think you were crazy and that you and me were the same. So he was, he did exist, but it does he's dead.

He was making these plans to make them think Cheffer was crazy and do with all these killings because he was gone in sane. And that was the second a very terrible second list. It was like trying to be this fight club. Hold on a second. That wait what No, no, No, my reading is Segal was not dead.

He was not dead. He was very much alive on that roof. My reading, No, okay, my reading is that Segal is dead and he's all a figment of his imagination. Then how do he explain the rooftop scene were he's saying, good job making them think you and I were the same. That's all in his head.

I don't think so. I think that was real. I think that was actually him. Then how did Craig Cheffer? Then?

How to explain the thing with Craig Sheffer in the balloon at the end, because that's what I thought you were talking about, because Lewis Mandylore says like they were the same person. There was no William Porter. Yeah, but William Borrd didn't exist. He just they just umld on, right. I can't, it's I can't.

Oh man, did he say he died in there in his military file? That's what I don't remember. That's what I don't remember. That's what I thought they said. That's what I thought, that Seagal was already dead and like it was like a dark passenger dexter thing where he's concocted, like his version of him in his own head.

That's like my assisting. Yeah, but my interpretation was Seagal was alive this whole time, So yours is a literal interpretation. Well, basically because when they watched the video, because there's one scene where Shepherd and Seagal meet in this like nightclub dance club thing and Seagal tells him there's a bomb under your seat if you get up. This all goes up and spoke, and the video camera very uh kind of coincidentally or fortuitously has where Seagall is supposed to sit as a block something blocking the camera right, can't see Segal, so you don't know if he was at actually there. So crag Scheffer, you know, they call him the bomb squad or whatever, and kraig Scheffer is like, wasn't there like a shootout where he's trying to stay seated in the chair while he's fucking yeah, It's like, well that yeah, yeah, And then it turns out what there was never a bombit or that chair right, No, Segal does not exist, is my point?

Or Seagal was fucking with him, No no, no, no, no no no, I'm telling you this. You're giving this movie way too much credit. This movie literally has Seagal existing in his mind and it's just him dissociated. It's that it's that lazy. It's like, that's why I was saying like it owes a lot to sixth cents and other things, because it's like it's just going for not it was all a dream, but you just dissociated and don't remember doing it.

I'll have my bloody valentine. I am very sorry if it was referred to that I was trying to give this petti fucking credit. It kind of felt like you were like, oh, but he's still alive. It's like, oh no. My point is those twists were done well.

My one at the end was the thing about the balloon. If it's my interpretation. If it's the interpretation, well they're done terribly either way. Yeah. And the building it foolished at the end is terribly done.

The helicopter, the helicopter taking him um is obviously cged at the end credits. This whole movie is a fucking mess. From frame one, this is you know what, It's almost kind of so bad it's it's watchable in that kind of way. It's fun. It's like stupid does everything so wrong that you kind of have to see it to believe it, because the attempt was really there.

But I think it verges on being so bad it's good. I think again, I think it takes itself too seriously. I think there's yeah, you know it's there are parts of this movie where it's a slog it's one hundred and six minutes, like fucking come off. It's but luckily as long as it's a phone where you can have it out in the background, be on your phone, and you won't miss a goddamn thing. Yeah, But to be fair, like when I watch it for this, I can't afford to do that because it's it's still like insanity, how fucking wild.

Like what's wild to me about these movies more than anything else, is they're not just farting this out. They're they're wrying, and it's like, are they failing, are they failing in spite of themselves or are they just this uncoordinated when it comes to writing a halfway decent screenplay. That's what I can't figure out. I think Seagal is not very good at reading scripts or check or picking them because I think he does read scripts. I think there's written for I think yes, And I think these films getting made because Segal put his name.

And that's how there's so many of these things. And that's why something so horribly done could still be released, is because Seagal's name on it, and for some reason it still sells. It still sells rental because I don't think anyone's behind thee or maybe they did. There's there's five dollar bins a wall. Uh.

It just seems like Seagal's name, as shocking as this sound, still has some clout. Yeah, just so you know. The the interpretation by the director, The director said that Seagal's interpretation of the ending is that his character framed Craig Scheffer and got a word. That's what I That's what my didial, I know. But I think that also that's the self serving interpretation for mister Seagal.

Um. Well, because the movie makes it pretty crystal clear that the other interpretation is a valid one. Well, we've said before sea can never die, right right, right, which is like this decision was an exception to the rule, but he wasn't. I mean, his build, his build as those trailers for that movie make him seem like the lead he was Warner Brothers, Golcade. Yeah yeah, um not now, not for this movie.

Not when he's zip lining on the greens cree oh my god. Some of Like what's funny is this is again we're in working this kind of counter timeline that we're doing. We get to see the good and the bad, but then the good becoming the bad and the bad maybe becoming good, like because there are things in this there are things in this movie that like I didn't see in the other movies that we've recently watched, Like this movie does kind of have a more interesting plot than like a bunch of gangsters are mad at other gangsters, which has been like the last three movies we watched. Right, I'll give it that. I'll think that it was of all the movies we've watched, it's the less um, it's the less hackneyed and um, at least of these kinds not feel like it feels less churned out right, Right, it feels like there was actual thought put into this, Right, That's and that's what I'm saying, Like it's of all the movies that we've watched, of this kind of era of Seagal.

It's weird because this one feels drastically different but very much the same. It still has a lot of the same problems, but the problems that it has, even as bad as they are, are not as bad as like China Salesman, Yeah, or some of those other movies we watched that just felt very like this is the same thing, to the point where we got two of them. Fucking it's it's it's one of those. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed movie, right because the potential was there, right, it was wasted because apparently, you know, I mean, I don't think it's Seagal's fault because he had nothing to do with Scriptum. I think the production values are low.

Yeah, I mean I give them credit for working with what they ad, but you know, you have to have a compelling story and a compelling script and kind of make it work. Because if you're gonna have this twist, work with it a little bit. Don't just throw it out there and say this is it because it doesn't feel I mean, the twist is a little bit set up. The first twist is a little bit set up, but it needs to be set up a little better and less like, oh, a fucking course this was right. This is Jerry Simon signing off because you know the whole it was me all along.

Thing is such an overdone twist usual suspects, I guess, or the dream sequence that it was all a dream thing, right, It's like that, It's like that equivalent, like this is the second if that's one A, this is one b of like a character who you didn't think is one thing is something else. Like that's the next biggest twist. I was like it was all a dream. Yeah, I mean, like fight Club, I think set the standard for how to do the you know, they were the same person the whole time, okay, or my bloody valance. I don't know.

I'm trying to think because like this is its own kind of subgenre of movies because once you know the twist, watching the movie is like a very different experience. Well could you analyze that? Right? So I wonder, like I wonder what a month of those movies like that would be kind of fun, a month of twist movies, but twist where it's a it's a specific kind of twist, like the the main character is like we know, going into these movies with the twists are, but the main character is someone else twist. Yeah, but we're going with them, right, because again, like I'm I'm not going in to be shocked.

I'm going in to understand, Like I don't not talking about usual suspects, but there are plenty of movies out there like fucking usual Suspects. I was creative, no, right, But this movie is like a prime example of like, the main character isn't who you thought. They were executed so poorly that it's like, but who cares? Yeah, I didn't care. He never interacted with anybody else anyway, So gaul was never interacted with any body but were gra Sheffer to begin with, there were no stakes in the people he killed because he aside from the women that he murder, let me let me, let me clarify because for the first part he's mostly killing bad guy drug dealers shit like that, right, clearly bad guys, clearly drugs.

Yeah, so there's really kind of you don't really sense a moral dilemma, you know, it's like, oh, selling bad guys. There's so it's like you don't give a shit. I get on board with him killing drug dealers any day of the week. Yeah, But what he killed women, innocent women that it kind of stakes of it didn't just kind of blew them up, detonated a bomb with innocent women. And unfortunately, there there's no there's no Okay, here's the thing.

There's no reason why he's suddenly killing innocent right, it's not set up that, Oh, first he kills just bad guys. Now he's on innocent people. There's no there's no h there's no arc for that. You don't see anything going. You don't see his moral compass failing.

No, not at all. It's just suddenly innocent people can dynam I was like, what the what the fuck? Yeah, I had no I didn't understand again, like it felt like it felt like a better movie was here, but in the hands of Michael Winnick and friends, clearly not. And look, he edited, wrote and directed this movie, so his hands are very deeply in, said Cookie Jar. It's all on his hands.

Yeah you can. I'm sorry. It's it's as the director. You shouldn't have your actor telling you how to interpret fucking movie. Yeah, but oh, he said, he said, he survives.

You're the director and you wrote the fucking movie. Man, does he survive or not? Have some balls and say you fucking die with it. I wonder if Seagal is the reason why it feels wishy washy, and there's two interpretation. I wonder if Seagal is the reason that there's that one seat at the end with them on the what about the balloon thing?

The thing with the balloon is what pissed me off? Or not the balloon. It's the catcher's mint. Oh, that he gives the kid at the end. What is that?

That's the twist that I was talking about with the catcher's mint, because I was like, they have the twist that he's not the guy, like Stephen Seagal does not exist and Craig Scheffer is just the guy. Okay, that's the first twist. And the second twist is after he kills himself, he is still alive. That's what that's the second twist in the movie. I wash right.

We forgot to mention there's woman and her child in the film, but a stripper and her and her son and her son. But she worked at the club that got blown up. Yeah, and she just happened to leave to go get her son. Yeah, And I'm leaving to go get my son can you cover my cheft for me? You're about to die?

How much does she even factor into the film, Well, that's Craig Cheffer like protects her. But again, like what she knows is unimportant. Ultimately, everything that happens in this movie is unimportant because it like it boils down to Craig Cheffer was Steven Seagal all along and you don't know that. And so the entire pursuit by Craig Cheffer of Steven Seagal's character is an u is a plotline that has gone nowhere because he was him all along, And that's the entire movie. The movie is not about Seagal killing drug dealers.

It's about Craig Cheffer protecting the stripper and making sure that he catches Steven Seagal who happens to be him. And I'm sure if we watch the film again analyzing it, we would see things in the film that would have the plot have the twist make no fucking sense. I watched it twice just to make sure, and there are plenty of things. That's what I was saying, Like it's such a lazy twist because they didn't do any of the successful foreshadowing all they did was like drop in what are essentially a dr lines so they could be like, oh remember this, and they do, like they seep a tone it and they have it like and then it's like a faraway voice is saying something. It's like remember it's like that kind of lazy, that's also ropey shit we've seen a million times.

Well, well I'm saying, is you see like things in the plot that if you think about it would make the twist not even fucking work, Like you know, it would just like wait, how would this happen? Then if this is a twist, like how did that happen? How did you know the continuity? I mean, he had a lot of free time on his hands and was able to get around that city really fast. Yeah, he apparently Craig Scheffer.

I mean, he doesn't look terrible, but he doesn't look like a guy who could run around the city that fucking quick. Also, don't forget that Steven Seagala is like standing in the crowd at one point at the explode o of the like the strip club, and like people would have seen him, but nobody magically nobody did. It's like it's again like it's just like logic, like massive plot holes, magic, massive logicals in a movie where they had to make those logicals be like they had to just not address them because if they did, like the movie falls apart in media. Well, this is the thing about twist is that you really it's not just something you can throw in a film. You have to make sure it's very carefully and methodically planned out, that there's nothing that I did.

You can say, wait, if this twist, why did this happen? Or why did this happen? You have to make sure those holes are as closed as you can get so the twist can make sense and the twist can actually be oh, you know what, now that I think about it, that does make sense that this happened, or that this is why the twist. You know, the twist happen. Don't just throw a twist in to try to be clecker.

You didn't. You can't. You know, it doesn't work that way, or to cover up a failing of the movies like Finale. I mean, I do believe they had this twist in mind from the start. The problem is they thought they could get away with it no matter what they wrote around.

They just had to add some things like drag Scheffer is crazy and shit like that, and Segal was killed in action or something something to like think they could make it work, but you need a little more than that to make a twist believable and acceptable. Like oh, okay, I'm satisfied with you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I agree, it's again for me, it's just like it's it's a there's a level of there's a level of expectation, Like you said, there's a level of expectation when you make a movie and there's a there's a twist in it, and especially when it's a twist that effectively changes your interpretation of the entire film. Yep. You then you then are forced to rewatch the movie to see how well the filmmakers did in sticking the landing and as one would expect with a film like this made by the fucking belly flop.

Yeah, of course, but that's not surprising. Even even filmmakers who are good at what they do fuck up all the time. I was not a huge fan of Shutter Island because I feel like the twist in that movie was telegraphed from like scene one. Ye just A'm also just not a Leonardo Dicabrio fan. Unfortunately, I've never seen Sean Island, but I was the twist was spoiled for me.

Anyway, what's the twist? The twist is pedestrian? What the fact that he was in the asylum the whole time? Oh wow, you could have You can suss that out from like pretty early on, you know what I mean. Like, and I'm not saying because I'm like some smart guy.

I'm saying, if you're if you're just a if you're a moviegoer who is engaged like I know you are, because you wouldn't be doing this if you were just giving half of a shit about movie. This is not easy to sit and critically watch a Steven Seagal and find things to talk about critically because for one reason or another, these movies in a lot of ways don't deserve it. We're putting in more effort than they put in to make it to be critical about it. Fun it comes when it comes to twists. I mean, there have been times where I kind of figured out a twists and there are times where it was ruined for me before I even saw the twist coming.

On the sixth said story, Did I ever tell you that story. Okay, I went with my mom when I was nineteen. He went and saw the Success in the theater. Right as we were watching the film, in the middle of the film, she leads over to me and whispers, I think he's dead. And I'm like, for mega, For a second, I thought she got a hilly Joel Osmond's scart, then like, oh, you need first Wils's character.

And I spent the whole rest of the movie thinking, you'd better not be right about this. You'd better not be right about this. You'd better not be right about this. Turns out she was fucking right. He was dead the whole time.

She knew. She told me, She's like, I think he's dead. No, did she know ahead of time? No she didn't. So she called it.

She called it because and she was like, well, how did you not see that coming? Nobody else but the kid was interacting with it. You don't see him talk to anyone else but the kid, And like, god damn it, how would I missed that? Frankly, because most of the time that twist has done, it doesn't land, so you don't assume anybody's gonna try it. Well, and plus m night.

Shamala wasn't necessarily known for twists at the time, and we didn't really he wasn't really known for much at the time other than ghostwriting. She's all that and this one movie with Rosie O'Donnell um for out him is called good already. I can pass on that one before we even figure out the title. Oh yeah, he wrote Stewart Little as well. Um, so I mean, and I did see it again.

I did end up watching Sixtus theaters again, knowing the twist and watching it like we said, watch again in the analyzing. Huh right, that that makes sense. Donnie Wahlberg killed him at the start, you know, Yeah, and how embarrassing killed by a new CADI. Yeah. I was about to say killed by Donnie, But you got to admit his performance is really fucking good in that small role, he asked Donnie Wahlberg.

Yeah, you know, I actually don't mind him as an actor. No, he's a good actor. He's not bad. And the Saw movie I think he was more. I always forget the order that they have those he's told in.

I believe it was Saw two and four he was at because three three mostly takes place with agus mcfaden going through the whole thing and the doctor being at trap point I call it trying to take out Um yeah, saw this thing. If you want to hear a entire podcast worth of episode information on SA go, check out the culture Cast episode where we talk about all the movies that existed at the time, which I think is everything. But the last two must have been a whig Jig Saw and Spiral Spiral Spiral. Yeah, Jig Saw and Spiral are the only two that we didn't cover, So if you want to hear that they both incredibly underwhelmed, Well, I have not covered them because I feel like I don't have anything else to say about the Saw movies.

Speaking of twists that I saw coming. When I watched Spiral in the theater, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's the killer. Don't say why not? Has it been? Has it not been long en spoiled these Trevor, I'll say who the killer was.

It was Samuel L. Jackson. No, it wasn't. Wow, you spoiled the movie, Trevor. I'm just kidding.

I know who I was. It was Chris rowles Manella Anthony, Anthony whatever, that one guy who looks like the guy from Hereditary But he's not the guy from Hereditary. I mean, tell me, tell me I'm wrong. I like her. I think with Cout is a twist when it comes to what you expect of the film.

Did we not expect that movie to be a fucking Exorcist demon shit movie? No, it was Rosemary's Baby, right. I expected the girl to be the main folks of the film, right, And not even halfway through it she gets beheaded and spoiled the movie for everybody. Put beeps on this beep fucking you're cursing every time, and then they baby bye baby, I'll do Well, we didn't we spoil Malignant? Well, we did Malignant, Yeah, but that's when we did the Malignant podcast.

People who listen to the Code of Honor episode are not wanting to have. I don't know what's another thing we could spoil. Rosebud was a sledholes Okay. The the timing that I use is ten years Okay, Well, I'm sorry, no, I'm what are you fucking anything pre twenty twelve is fair game? Okay.

Finkel is eine Horn is finkal. That's why Roger Padactor is dead. He found Captain God, what a fucked up movie. I love that movie. I mean, now it's a little transphobic, don't you thinks no think, I don't.

I don't because the thing about them being trans is not played for lab I mean it is right at the end, but that's it. Think about it, Like throughout the movie are they like, oh my god, you know trans. I don't know why. I don't know, but yeah, it's a twist. We're talking about twist still is just this is more exciting than talking about the movie that they don't nail the twist.

Yeah, that's a twist and that movie that's it's funny, it's meant to be. It's like a noir twist if you think about it, like a Spintura is almost if it wasn't a comedy, it would almost be neo noir, well almost of the vision of like Psycho or or what's that William Castle felt, um, it's like Sleepaway Camp. Yeah. But like my point is like a Spentura is kind of like neo noir ish, Like some of the stuff is like you know, like the what what he's doing, his profession, where he lives, you know, like it's like any like a it's like a Charles Williford novel because he lives in Miami. You know, he could run into Hoke Moseley type thing.

But the twist in that movie, I don't think it's I don't think it's transphobic. I think it's happening. I think it's un I think it's in poor taste. But I think that's always going to be in poor taste, that twist regardless. Yeah, I mean that movie the I don't think it give um.

I think no, I know, but I mean that was a movie you don't expect to even have a fucking but yeah, but Aspinur is also not mean. He's not a mean characters. No, he's a smart ass, but he's not me right like, which is why I say the movie is not transphobic, because like the character that Sean Young plays being you know, uh Finkel and Ihorn, like, yeah, that's found out. So at the end of the movie, like yeah, he does the thing where he's like plungering his face. That's probably the worst part, I think, because I like, well, at least the first two I love, Yeah, the second one's great.

I have not seen the third one with technically called I don't could you consider it the third one. Say what am I trying to pervert? No? I don't even want to think about that movie existing. Well, I think Jee Jerry's not a record saying no more sequels for him?

Wasn't he why not just do it? Isn't? Aren't they making an aspentura something? Right now? I thought?

I thought Jim Jerry said that he's not. He's not doing sequels, because here's the thing, spent three, You fucking coward. I want to Okay, I do too, right, aisven Tur two is really I like aispen Tur two more than I like the first one. Well, bybe if you're going to make a film this many years after the fact, just be careful. Because Dumb and Dumber two, well, I thought it was funny at ark, not as near as good as I don't even I thank you for reminding me that exists.

Oh fucking pox upon my brain? What about dumb and dumber? When Harry met Lloyd Starry? Why are you doing that? Man, Darry?

Eric Christian Olsen and uh fucking the guy from Hostile? Why are you doing Why are you gotta be that way? Why are you gotta do that for everybody else? Why are you gotta bring the rest of us down to that, to that level that's subterraneous, like weird sequels to eighties movies from the like mid well oh yeah, but also like it's the same, Like okay, so in the in the mid thousands they were doing the eighties movies because I just I love how Ghostbusters After Life was the final eighties Installedgiament. Oh, it's not.

It was the final form. Oh you mean the final form. It was like the final form of eighties Installedgiament. Now everything's nineties nostalgia. Nineties nostalgi is really picking up.

Well, I mean, top Gun Mavericks show them that eighties nostalgia doesn't. But that's different because that's just like America rod nostalgia. I don't care. Fucking playing with each other's fat fucking balls. What is that?

What do they call it? What they call them? Like? What does that sound? Playing with them?

So it's just so fucking just giving one of life simple joys, playing with the boys. Oh yeah, I bet they flex in this movie, Kenny Loggins for d Yeah, Everett, we have strayed so far from this movie. It's the code of honor that we've strayed far. It's deserved to be straight from because it's fucking it's garbage. It's it's just it's well intentioned garbage.

It is. I'm not even it's Look, we've seen worse already on this show. Things that meander for fucking the worst thing you've seen that's still China Salesman, Like, without a doubt, Well, that movie will always be the worst film. I don't know if we'll even top China Sales. Yeah, I'm with you.

Didn't I see another one was worse than that? What wasn't there one? There was one where we were kind of even more pissed off. Hold on, but I don't remember what. I don't remember what it was.

It definitely was one of his earlier not a connection connection yet, doesn't it? Or have we watched that Asia Connection sounds like a p I've more had the I've had the Harold Fultimeyer theme stuck in my head more than the man du was it the perfect weapon? Pervict Wippon, I don't remember we've watched something like that. We watched something that was really bad. It was oh god weapon.

That was the one where it takes place in the future and yeah, yeah, the director oh, he has a brother. He has a brother. At the end, it turns out so even though Steven Seagal's dies, his brother wants honor anyway. So fucking I don't know what else are there to say about it, because there is a good there is a good movie in that plot or in that thing, but they needed to go over the script way more times before they could before I think it was filmable. What there is to say is that this movie is a better attempt at a movie like this than we've seen so far from these kinds of movies.

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