Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga

We're wait. Welcome to the Projection Booth and the Culture Cast. I'm your host, Mike Waite Trip and of course, as the host of the Culture Cast, mister Christashu you can call me scrotis also along with us. It is the one and only Father Alone, our brother from Winningwaymedia dot Com. Father Alone.

It's good to see us, sir, good to see you. You can call me the history Man. I'll take that a numb You don't have nearly enough tattoos, my friend. I'm on my way getting there. On this episode, we are talking about Furiosa.

I'm mad Max Saga. It is a twenty twenty four Australian film that's not really Australian film, is it? Oh? They know it's Oh, they fucking show you it's in Australia. Bro.

In the first he's like, hey, if you had any question, it's in fucking Australia. I'm gonna Google maps yourass right in the first five seconds of the movie. That's true, that's true. I was kind of open. That would be like a universal opening.

So youah, like water World, how the oceans take over? Right? Yeah, just zoom right into Australia. We're talking about the prequel to the fourth movie. So I guess this is the third and a half movie.

So somewhere between Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome and Mad Max Furry Road is Furiosa, a Mad Max Saga Burn Your Wife the World of chios remember me, Mad Max Saga? You only leaders May twenty fourth and stars our gal Amya Taylor Joy as Furiosa and Chris Hemsworth as Dementous. Uh. And yeah, I'm so excited to talk to you guys about this, and I should say spoiling morning because we're going to be ruining this film, and we'll probably talk about the endings of some of the other Mad Max films as well. So I know, Chris, you just did a whole whole series all about the Mad Max films, so people can check those out.

Or I did one big honkin episode a few years ago. You check that out as well. And yeah, spoilers all over the place with those episodes as well. I am mansion. Yeah we Father Malone pushed me to watch the first three Mad Max movies and then we also watch Fury Road, So yeah, I am well versed now.

And in terms of immediacy, these are all watched within the last two weeks. I will say probably because hey, movies are back, folks, except they're fucking not. Before we talk about spoilers, let's just go around the kind of room here and say what furios would be worth checking out in theaters or maybe wait? Or do you want to just wait a month for it to be on streaming because at this point everything comes out a month into streaming. I don't know why.

It maybe have something to do with they want to make money. I don't know, So father Malone worth checking out in theaters? Yeah, I want more of these, So go pay the money and give it to the studio and let them know that we want to see more instead of just waiting around to see it on Netflix or something. Mike white So said that they already announced the Blu ray before the movie even hit theaters, So I'm like, really, yes, one hundred percent, you have to see this in theaters because it is a spectacle. George Miller knows how to make spectacles, and my god, what a spectacle this movie was.

Yeah, I would agree. I saw it in theaters. I think it's worth checking out. I saw it in the same theater that I saw Fury Rode in so many years ago, actually because I still was living up here at the time. So what Fury Road came out in twenty fifteen, So yeah, saw it in the same theater.

Theater was a little nicer this time. The seats actually reclined, so easier to take a nap if that's a thing you're into. But I would agree, definitely check it out in theaters. Mike, you and I were talking about this before we turn on the recording, Father Malone, I will now pose to you the question how many people were in your showing when you went and saw it? And when did you go and see it early in the morning?

And not many? And oh uh, then I saw it again at home. Let's say, let's say, let's say, ah, I also may have watched it at home as with my money. Yeah, you know what they say, you got my money the first time, and I watched the shittiest copy you could ever fucking imagine. So oh, the ads were edited out on the version that I watched.

Somebody grade those bars of the money dropping out of the sky slotlights dot com. Everybody a bane of my existence. I mean, what, we don't illegally watch anything, but the fuck. You can't prove it. Prove it, prove it, you can't.

I do know how many people are in the theater when I saw it, because I sit right in the middle in the middle, so I'm not sure how many people were behind us, But if I had to take a guess, I'd say probably like ten altogether. I was telling Chris before we started recording that I usually order my popcorn in advance, just because I like to skip the line. Well, there was no line to skip, unfortunately. I just walked right up to the concessionaire and bought by bopcorn in that way, and they walked into the theater, which was totally empty when we got in there, and then eventually there were a few other people that showed up. Mike buys his popcorn through the app because he's a sophistic kit That's right.

I eat my bottle hole Pinky's out one piece at a time. It's that meme from the family guy, why do you guys think you're better than me? Yeah? And the spray each piece of popcorn with butter too. Yeah.

There were two people in the theater when I saw it, so it's unfortunate because I think we all agree this movie is worth seeing in theaters, if not required to have seen in theaters at least once, because when I walked out of this movie, maybe not entirely, I was like, hey, that felt like seeing Fury Road in terms of the spectacle on display, needing to be seen on a large screen, but I would go further than just a large screen with a very loud, powerful and basic subsystem, and Dolby at most definitely intensifies the experience of a like this, maybe not as much as Fury Road, but I think there's a reason behind that. But I think we could start talking about spoilers now, if you guys are interested, maybe well, first, I just want to warn people because if you do go see this at theaters, you might be like me and want to drive like Furiosa across those sand dunes towards the end, like I really wanted to rev my car and go fucking crazy.

That's the danger of movies like this. But otherwise, yes, let's talk about the movie. Let's talk about the prequel and how we get introduced to Furiosa and her whole family, the Bulevanni. Correct. I've seen Fury Roads so many times, but some of the terms ellude me.

There the Volvallini, which I believe is a play on Volva. It's got to be right. It's George Miller, so yes, it is. I would think, so right. George Miller doesn't do anything unintentionally, at least I don't.

I agree. Gurtis, thank you, Rick is erect rick is. Ere's the phallic imagery in these movies, and the phallic names and just sexual names are the greatest. I mean, that's we talked about it Father Malone with was It three? Where it's like all the names of the characters are in the opening of the movie.

Uh it be on Thunderdome. They're just like, you need to know these characters' names, and they're fucking insane. So we're just gonna tell you what they are. There. You go, remember pig Killer and screw Loose.

They are very important, right exactly Loose? Yes, but uh so I will, I think, just to get the discussion rolling. Speaking of Beyond Thunderdome, this movie has a lot in common with Meyond Thunderdome, maybe in a way that some people who liked Fury Road a lot might not like, which I totally get. But you know what, I was here for it. I was here for it big time.

I was here for it, maybe even more so than if they had just rehredded mad Max Fury Road, which in a lot of ways this ain't, thankfully that I'm trying to figure out what you're talking about. Was it that there are little kids in this movie? Well, it's it's more the it's more the the machinations of the well, the fan reaction, but also the machinations of the wasteland is something that seems to be gone into more detail in this movie, which reminded me a lot of Beyond the first half of Beyond thunder JOm. I think the second half of Beyond Thunderdome is its own thing entirely, but it reminded me of like, let's let's take a moment and kind of build out the world in a way that Beyond Thunderdome did, and in a way that this movie does.

I mean, not the Fury Road doesn't, but Fury Road doesn't stop. It gives you those moments in dialogue, but they Father Malone talked about this on our Fury Road episode. They seem like throw away pieces of dialogue. They would be in other movies. In this movie, they're not because in Fury Road they don't have a lot of dialogue.

This movie is replete with dialogue, plenty of more. The climax of this movie is a is two characters talking to one another, which I think again is very different from if you went and saw Fury Road and then just saw this, you would be like, oh different, what are we talking about here? I think that again. I enjoyed this movie a lot, but it does have a lot in common with the Mad Max movie that some people don't necessarily jibe with as much as the others. I've spent the past two days restraining myself from jumping into the fray on the internet and doing battle with those who have written this movie off.

I don't get it. I really think there's a certain type of person who threw a blanket over their head at age twelve in nineteen eighty four and said this is it? Nothing better? Because there were people complaining about Fury Road is not a true Mad Max movie, you know, never mind beyond Thunderdump. So this one.

Who boy? They are? They are frothing at the mouth over it. And it's a shame because George Miller has been consistently building a world, and each time it gets more in depth and more interesting and more explained. You mentioned that opening shot.

I gasped, Well, we got to see that we were dooming in on Australia, and then we were zooming it on Central Australia, so like we're pinning it down even more. My God uses a lot of maps in this in this thing, a lot of geography in this one, more than we've ever seen before. And I know a lot of it is digital and whatever, but I don't care. I love this world. Yes, give me two or three dust storms.

I just had a great time overall. Chris, you mentioned the ending, like I'm constantly harping on the fact that, no matter how innovative a fucking action movie is, it always ends with two guys punching each other and who cares, often in color swap suits. One's purple and one's yellow, one's yellow and one's red. I just named ant Man in Black Panther pretty much what they do exactly. Yeah, And and here the other thing I've been saying on the on all the other reviews of all the other mad Max movies is one thing George Miller does really consistently is defy expectations.

And here he gives us a two character dialogue scene. It is, there's action in it and whatever, but today a fistfight, and then gives us every possible scenario at the end. Here's what did you want this one? Did you want that one? I have many endings, and you're gonna complain about all of them, but here are the possibilities.

But here it is actually how it went down, and how it went down is fucking beautiful and poetic. And hearkens right back to the opening scene. This movie begins with young Furio so picking that fruit off of that tree, and that's that's what we return to at the end. I fucking love this movie, guys. I won't say I loved it, but I enjoyed it immensely.

I mean again, like, I've only seen it twice, so it will take a while for me to probably get to that point. I will say though, in terms of in terms of it coming after Fury Road, which is so singularly one thing kind of and I'm not saying it's it's only one thing, but like, what it's trying to accomplish is do something that very few, if any other films I've ever done, which is make a chase movie, literally a chase movie. Like there is two scenes of like take a breath here. This movie's not engaged in that. And I think immediately it paints a target on itself by saying, Oh, if you're expecting Fury Road, don't And I appreciate that because, like you said, Father Malone, the expectation defying is all George Miller has ever really done.

Again, I would like to point out to the people that are angry, this is the guy who directed and wrote Happy Feet one and two movies about goddamn dancing penguins. So if you're expecting him to just make another Fury Road, do you know what he's been doing or do you even care? Or do you, like you said, Father Malone, just want to keep your head up your ass, because that's what it feels like. It's like horror bros. At this point, like why isn't Jason and Michael Meyers killing people?

And I was like, what the fuck you got like twelve movies of it already, Why do you need yet another one? Can someone do something different? Please? And even and you know what, it's the guy who created Mad Max let him do whatever the fuck he wants. It's his fucking franchise.

He started his career with the first Mad Max movie. I mean, if you don't trust in the judgment of the creator of the series, then I don't know what to tell you. But George Miller is no George Lucas in a number of ways. Yeah, it's fantastic that he has been making these movies for so long and in so many different ways. You know, like you talked about how Fury Road is one long chase, and I think that those pauses are the most important part of it.

But then you get that whom that adrenaline rush when it comes to when they resume those chases, And it's very similar with the way that we have this. But is it four chapters in this film. I think I'm five altogether. But then in each chapter you have a pretty incredible action scene. So buckle in, folks, you're gonna see some amazing shit in this.

I mean the opening chase across the planes with those motorcycles and then back again, or they when they have the war rig, I mean, that's amazing, where the attack on gas Town, I mean, just all of these set pieces just there's they're wonderful, and I think maybe people are upset that it's not just pretending to be one long action scene, that there are several action scenes, but there's also, to your point, Crips, a lot of dialogue and a lot of backstory of these people, and it is to me it's more told like a fairy tale. Really, with the chapters, it feels like we are opening the book of Furiosa and reading all of these very important facets of her life. Each time we have a chapter, something major happens to her.

And this is again, Father Malone. We talked about this on every episode other than the first one about Mad Max. This movie has a narrator, once again leaning back into the we're telling a story because some people tend to forget, including our friends over Red Letter Media. That Fury Road is narrated by fucking Mad Max. That's who narrates that movie.

He opens that movie with his narration. So every single one of these movies, other than the first one, which doesn't need narration, is a story, a tale possibly being passed down. Who knows if they even happen this way. On the last episode we talked about you know, the idea of stories being passed down, they tend to be exaggerated and embellished from time to time. Father Malone, you even talked about in the last episode that Fury Road may just be a retelling of Road Warrior from a different group of people who heard about it and are retelling it their way.

Which, again, given the way that these movies are including this one, wouldn't put it past them. Because George Miller is crafting modern folklore. That's what this is. Of the world he has created, he is now populating it with folklore tales, the same way JK. Rilling j R.

Tolkien did with the Silmarillion, the same way like this is the Ring, but here's all the reasons why the Ring is important and how the Ring got to being in the hands of Frodo. How's that same feel to it? Let me double down on my theory that these are two different versions of the same story, both Road Warrior and Fury Road. Near the climax of this film, right as after She's lost everything yet again, they cut to the cameo that everyone's heard about in the film, which is mad Max appears in Furiosa. He's overlooking a bluff very similar to the one we see him in at the beginning of Fury Road and he's eating from a dog can, which is very Road Warrior time appropriate.

So I maintain once again that Fury Road and the Road Warrior or the same story told by different tribes in the wasteland interesting. That would also if we're talking about folk tales and storytelling, that would also help explain away some of the some of the stuff where I was just like, well, this is a little weird. I mean, I want to just lop off the very end of Furiosa, because I honestly don't think that she immediately took the brides on the war rig. There wasn't even another war rig that was ready, so we just have to say, yes, that was later. And then what it looks like at the end people Eater go to Gastown and start to get some really bad gout and everything his feet looked okay.

In this one, we have to have the apparently the death of Scrutos unless Scrutie just like moved away, maybe went to like Paris or something. I don't know, you know, but yeah, just like there are things that are inconsistent where if I was really super crazy and I am. I would be like super upset about this stuff. But then it's like, oh well, if it's a fairy tale, if it's just a story, well it doesn't matter if these things don't you know, add up one hundred percent. You know that we never saw Corpus Colossus.

I was just like, Okay, I would kind of like to see him again, but I'm not sure if that actor is even still alive. Can I speak to the that I agree with you that cutting scenes from Fury Road into the end of the credits of this movie was a mistake, like we don't need it. We know, we just saw. We're gonna go watch it again once we get home, but which I did, right of course. But the thing is, there is a passage of time there because from the time that this movie, this story ends where she joins up with the citadel again, it has to be the length of the span of a life of a tree, right, that tree had to grow that big to grow fruit.

So from that, how many years later was it true? True? Very good point. I mean probably like ten fifteen years at least, right enough for her to age to being sureleis they're right? Because that's the other thing, like we see her age from a.

But that's the other thing I think, and I think we had maybe talked about it, or I had maybe mentioned it to you, Father Malone, that one of the early things that I had heard about this movie was Anya Taylor Joy's only in like half of it, And that is actually the case. Anya Taylor Joy is only in half of the movie. And the child actor that plays young Furiosa, Elilah Brown, She's fantastic. She's as good as Anya Taylor Joy, as she carries her part of the movie just as well as Anya Taylor Joy does, and I think does an even more interesting job because you're not expecting to spend half of the movie with a young old teenage version of Furiosa, and she's just as interesting. Yeah, And luckily, even though Furiosa is living in the wasteland, at least she ages a lot more gracefully than Obi Wan Kenobi.

I mean, to go from Iwan McGregor to Alec Guinness in the span of twenty years, that's some rough living man. But she stays, you know, pretty clean through those years, and you know it's pretty attractive. Let me ask you, fellas, did you were you confused at the switch from when they went from Alilah Brown to Anya Taylor Joy. Like at a certain part I was like, wait, what, oh this is on you Tailor Joy? Now?

Yeah, I wasn't really confused. I think the use of speaking of trees because when you said tree, I thought about the first tree that least see growing out of the side of the citadel. I was like, Okay, time is passing, this is probably where we're going to see on new Taylor Joy. So they used CGI to make Elilah Brown look more and more like Anya Taylor Joy until the scene where they switch over. Really which is which is?

Which is? Again? For me, it's like George Miller just thinks of everything you could have just not but they make her features look more and more until they just switch over to her, and I mean Anya Taylor Joy in this movie. Her interpretation of Furiosa is great. I think I think it's a good thing this movie came out when it did.

I don't It's not that I wouldn't have wanted to see Charlie's drom, but I think it's good that this movie took a while to come out. The problem though, I think with any frequel, anything including this movie is given that we know where the characters end up, we kind of have to have our stakes readjusted in how we're going to watch this movie because we know Furiosa not only survives, but goes on to have a complete other adventure in another movie. So the stakes are kind of surrounding all the other periphery characters and the villain who I mean this is, I mean Chris Hemsworth. Is Chris Emsworth is doing in this movie. He's doing a lot.

I like what he's doing. I could totally see someone watching this movie and going, Okay, he kind of just I don't know, he's being goofy. He's hamming it up, like the fucking fake nose and everything. It's like, man, I don't know fig teeth, but real abs, I believe real Australian, real, real nipples that get ripped out. So much nipple work in this movie.

Oh yeah, I should be on a shirt. So much nipple work in this movie, Father Malone. Oh, it became a bit disturbing. At a certain point. I was listening to an Australian podcast.

They were talking about Himsworth's accent in the movie, and they said, this accent doesn't really exist anymore. But during the seventies and eighties, it seemed like everyone was talking this way. Hmmm, that's interesting. He seems like from a time and from a place, right, one hundred percent. Yeah, And I love that.

He's just this kind of little guy who's trying to get in with the big guys. You know, he wants to be there with the bullet farmer. He wants to be there with the people eater. He thinks he's as tough as important Joe. No, No, that's not how it goes.

He's just such a little pissan just keeps fucking everything up. I love what his people want to murder him, you know. Yeah, it's great, Like the way of all tyrants. He's just that fucking pageantry host like cult leader basically, and he's speaking. What's funny is the subtext of the previous film, which is now the next film, is about this power dynamic in the wasteland, about the haves and the have nots, and he basically plays on that.

He calls down to the war boys like let's all be equals, when he has no intention of being equal then anybody. He's just another fucking scumbag out in the wasteland, but he's terrible at it. And that's what I love, is that he's just the worst. And I'm not like saying, oh, he's terrible, I mean he is kind of terrible. He murders Furios's mom, he murders Furios's lover, But he's terrible, like you both have already said, like his own he can't control his own people, he can't keep his own shit together, and by the end of the movie, he gets his entire group killed himself included, because he's a fucking moron.

And I don't think there are enough villains in movies like this that are just inept beyond belief. But we get to see it, Like, we get to see that they're inept and their ineptitude ends up catching up with them at the end of the movie like big like big time obviously. But yeah, he's super inept, which I love. I'm sure I'm not the first person to put this out there, and it might be canned and might not be, but the guy with the big horns, who I love, I love. Yeah, Look, it feels like because at one point he's like, oh, you betrayed us?

Does his group like break off and become those guys that are protecting the past that Furiosa goes through, that are all on those like mope heads and shit. I mean yeah, they were the rogue group and that scene is fucking fantastic. What I felt like it was a missed opportunity to have this guy go up against Dementis, you know, like it made sense absolutely plot wise and character wized that they just became a marauding group that no longer wanted to have anything to do with Dementis. But I just figured this guy would figure into the end of loop. Yeah, I kind of wanted him to be part of that revenge c gets like you know, my my the enemy of my enemy is my friend type of thing.

But yeah, I also love that we could see Morton Joe's power. You know, you're talking about cult leaders. It's so ConA and the Barbarian where he just calls up, you know, pick out a war boy. All right, war boy, you know, attack this thing and he just jumps off. Witness me.

Yes, it's it's great. Yeah. You know, prequels tend to, in my mind, demystify the characters and the situations that that we've come to love in this one. It really solidified them. Like I really liked im Morton Joe as a character in this one, Like oh yeah, well, not only in that scene you're describing is a pretty standard of Morton Joe, but the stuff when he's negotiating and saying like, well, who's this girl?

Wait? Who is this man? The organic mechanic? Okay, well I'll deal with you because I want these things, Like we got to see a charismatic side to him, which was unexpected. Well, and what I else so appreciate is there because there was nothing in Fury Road.

Really, I mean, we see him a handful of times. There's room for that in this movie. They're just like, oh, we didn't really do it last movie, so we can here. And it's not like you said, it just adds to the character, doesn't really detract because there, I mean, kind there wasn't much to detract from. He was cool to look at in the last movie, but I mean again, his presence was it wasn't on screen constantly, And I think that works here that we have so much room to expound upon everything else going on in the world.

I really thought that the guy who picked up the Morton Joe Mantle did a really good job that his I acting was spot on, which his voice would have sounded a little bit more im Morton Joe. But I think also the whole age thing plays into that too. Yeah. I thought that he did a really super job picking up and being a Morton Joe. And I didn't realize because I want to say the bullet Farmer is a different person as well.

Guy same guy, okay, because I thought they said they had to recast him. But and then you come to a character like the what is the Imperator Jack? I mean, this guy just fucking shows up in this movie and owns the movie for like half an hour. Maybe. I mean this guy's I know that I've seen him on screen.

I went and looked up his filmography. I'm like, Okay, I've seen him around, but the presence that he has in this movie, I'm just like, Wow, this guy is like a young Mel Gibbs that he is owning all of these shots. And I love that he's kind of the mentor to Furiosa, and then Furiosa eventually becomes better than him when he's got her riding or driving the rig. I love it. You mentioned it like the cent pieces in this movie.

The fact that George Miller continues to make chase sequences and he innovates every single time, Like when those guys took to the air, I was like, how does this man keep doing this? It's quite insane. Or that the sequence where Furiosa is escaping for the first time on the war rig, where she meets PTI and Jack and sort of becomes his underlingth that whole sequence is fucking fantastic too. With the war boy, Oh my god, just the way that they're hanging under those trucks and everything, and I know, you know, I'm glad that they didn't say there's no CG in this movie. Everything's practical.

I'm glad they're not trying to stand on that hill anymore because there's a ton of CG going on throughout this. But it looked so terrifying them under that rig, and just the way that the people are passing under and when the one guy is about to drop, but he gives her the tube. You know, go ahead, fix the car. We need engine number two. You know, it's so important that they keep this thing going and going that ridiculous speeds.

We've we've kind of alluded to Mad Max not being in this movie other than the one shot which take it or leave it. I mean, it doesn't add, doesn't detract. I've seen some people be like, Oh, I don't need it, Oh it's perfect, Like it's I would concede. We have mad Max three different ways in this movie. We have Dementis, who's kind of a shadow mad Max.

We have Furiosa, who's effectively just another character similar to Mad Max, driven by revenge. And then we have Preytorian Jack, who is kind of again Mad Max adjacent in terms of like what he's doing, who he is, how he kind of vibes. I mean, Furiosa and Mad Max don't get along. Praetorian Jack and furio So actually get along. And I think maybe for the first time since Mad Max, we actually have somewhat of a not romance but casual thing going on.

I mean, I don't think at any point I'm like, Oh, he's gonna make it to the final frame of the movie like that. I mean, there's there's no way. But it's kind of nice to see that because it's something that's been a little unseen in these movies. And and mentioning the thing about the hang gliders. When that happened in that scene, I gave out an audible holy shit in the movie theater because I was like, okay, right, they're they're flying things in this universe.

Because here's the thing, we hadn't seen them. So it's what Beyond Thunderdome, right, there weren't any infury wrote at all. No, they were using the polls instead, which were an innovation for that movie, and I'm glad they didn't have to rely on that for this one. Right, But it's like, oh, right, there are people that have like flying things in this universe. I forgot about that.

I mean, look, still no Bruce Spence in this goddamn movie. We know he's still alive. What the fuck missed opportunity? But I had forgotten since even watching Beyond Thunderdome, that's like, oh, yeah, there are people that can fly. So when those people took to the air, it was like, oh, holy shit.

Okay, But to your point, father Milone, always innovating, always innovator. Yeah, And here's the thing about the cameo that Max gives us. We only get it. We get to see him observing her collapsing in the desert, right, and then we just fade out, and then the next thing is her point of view being wakened by these healing women outside the citadel. Did Max take her there maybe right?

Who knows? Or did he just get back in his car and drive in the other direction. Either is valid. Max would do either. He has a propensity for both theoretically.

I did enjoy the moment when she almost got dragged into the underground of the citadel, and that when she wakes up in the underground of the citadel with all those maggots, and I was just like, Oh, that's cool, they're reading the necrotic tissue. Okay. When she almost got pulled in initially that I was horrified. I was like when she got out, I was like, oh my god, thank god he didn't make us go down there. And I keep thinking that throughout the movie, Like you'd mentioned that fantastic opening sequence with her mom when Mary Joe Basa gets overwhelmed, like these guys dog pile on her and then we cut away to furios.

I went, thank god, we're not gonna have to see the results of that. And then the very next scene is she's crucified hanging over a flame, I was like, oh, come on, man, it's I don't It's not that I don't remember, but I feel like this is the most graphic of the Mad Max movies, right, I felt like it was. Yeah, I mean, look at Moreton. Joe's face gets ripped off the end of Fury Road, but you don't even really see it, like there's a shot. You see it get ripped off, but then we don't have a shot lingering on his like, you know, noseless, jawless face.

We just kind of see Zoe Kravitz kind of looking at it, but he's kind of locked by the side of the car. This, I mean, this movie, I think pretty pretty brutal in terms of the violence, but I think it I think it necessitates it as far as like putting Furiosa on the Righteous Path, you really need to see how fucked up the wasteland is and and how far Dementous is willing to go to h you know, to try to prove a point or to try to strike fear into people when he's completely inet, which is the case. I also like the way that he evolves as a character, especially when he gets the flare gun with the red powder and he hit you know, he shoots it in front of him and he gets the red all over him, and then he seems to adopt that as his look, like the red got onto his white parachute cape that he would do.

And then kind of it's dirty as well. And then he's got the red and the bee, and he puts the red into Furiosi's hair to make them seem like they're related. I really like how he keeps like adding to his look throughout this whole thing, and we'll have like little trinkets and things. And also just like the way that the vest is covering, but you can see his fucked up niffles after he gets those ripped off, and that horrific scene with this spike going through that fucking guy's head. I mean, yeah, there is a lot more gore in this one.

I mean I remember back in Road Warrior when Bruce Spence is watching I think it's not Wes, but somebody else with a crossbow shoots somebody and you cut away to him and his eye opening, and it's you get that, you get the reaction instead of the violence. This one is all about the violence. Yeah. In the very first Mad Max, when Goose is revealed he's not. It's just Max and recoiling and horror.

And none of the films up until now had a lead character dragged until he was unconscious behind a car and then three giant hounds tear him apart while he's still being dragged. It was I wanted to get up and leave the theater at that point. Four hours, four hours, hours and hours. Oh my god, they dissolved. Yeah, it's Oh, it's a lot the way that George Miller uses that, like slightly sped up footage, Like he did that a lot in the opening of Fury Road when maxis running away from the war Boys, and in this when Dementus is there and all of this tribe is going around and round, which reminded me of the uh some of the Shenanigans of humongouses people would get up to in Road Warrior.

But yeah, just you can see that slight sped up thing, and I'm like, Okay, this works. It's it would be cheesy in somebody else's hands, I think, I will say, because we haven't mentioned it. My favorite character in the movie is the war boy with the fucking arrow through his head. He just thinks he's in Valhalla already, which is which is really the greatest idea in the history of this franchises. All Right, so we have characters being promised somewhere and this guy thinks he's dead.

All right, A roll with that, and man, what a what a specific choice. But it kind of pays off because he's it kind of steals the show in those scenes that he's in early. I guess it's like about what half about halfway through the movie. Yeah, no, I loved that guy, and like, well, what a quirk that led them to their you know, yeah, during War Boy, he thinks he's already dead. I mean all these like little character rules.

I mean he talked about the truth teller guy, I mean the guy who looks a little like Mick Fleetwood with one eye and that big fright wig. You know, there's like so many side characters that are just as entertaining. It just again to your point of world building, giving us all of these people to think about and to see all of their quirks, rather than it just being Dementous and Furiosa and maybe three other characters. No, you get like dozens of characters in this and even like the little guy who who is on the first war rig who wants to start up that machine, which was really fucking cool. I mean that guy is just like such a distinct choice of an actor.

I thought it was fantastic. Well, we have a lot of the same actors. I mean, Nathan Jones is back as Rictus Erectus and get Samson's back. Josh Hellman, who played Knux's like Buddy and Fury Road is back playing Scrotus. And what's interesting though, George Miller for whatever reason, has been dragging it recently.

Scrotus was in the video game, So technically this is now all part of the video The video game's part of this now, right, Father Malone, right, Like that video game is based I'm think almost entirely on this script. Because this script, what Miller said that he wrote, they wrote Fury Road, and then they were like, well, we need to figure out where Furios is from. So then they wrote this, and they went, well, what was Max doing for the year before, and then they wrote another script as he had unproduced, to figure out what led Max to Fury Road. So and evidently, like they, Warner Brothers was going to do nothing with the video game until Fury Road became a huge success and then they put it out. So what we get in both Fury Roady and this movie.

If you play those bad game, you're going to get a lot of both. Yeah. Yeah, And it's part and parcel of this now. Like I didn't know because we talked about it on the Fury Road episode. We're like, oh, you should check it out.

Now, It's like it kind of almost becomes like not necessity, but like there's parts of that that part of this movie kind of traffics, and so it feels more important than it did when it came out almost ten years ago. I haven't played the game, but I want to say I heard that the guy who gives her that shitty car towards the end is a character from the game, and I love how she steals Scrotis' car. That car is fucking amazing, just the design of that, and I kind of like that we've got the whole idea of the you know, all of the ways that people are adapting technology to what they need, So you have like the different flying machines or the different things like even using exercise spike to you know, as a wetstone type of thing.

But we didn't get all those double decker cars that would get in Furry Road, and I was kind of glad that we didn't get that. It feels like that was more of an advancement. So it's kind of the opposite of George Lucas, where you make everything that's really old look gorgeous and beautiful and the stuff that's new look absolutely shitty. So well, and I think it also because we're seeing different groups of people in the wasteland, Like this time it's really like motorcycle people, right, which is a again return to mad Max one. Really like again this is about a motorcycle gang, which Chris Hemsworth is the leader of.

And I gotta say the design of his motorcycle chariot is, oh my, it's pretty fucking great. Like I'd never seen that before. And hats off to George Miller because now it's like, makes perfect sense to motorcycles with like a you know, a Cherriot on the back. Okay, makes sense perfect of course. George Miller.

He took that from the stuff that was going on in Australia in the seventies where was the motorcycle cops putting on shows and they made a chariot. So I saw this video I think it was from Vanity Fair where he's holding up pictures of this guy on a motorcycle chariot and he's like, yeah, this was the inspiration right here, and yeah, I had never seen anything like that either. And it is so cool when he's going across the wasteland with his kate blowing and his fucking cheeriot. It's ridiculous. He has a Miller.

I mean, he just keeps making these villains who were fucking fascinating, and even as a nept in whatever as dementis is like, there's a real character in there, just like in Morton. Joe's got to be a real character in there, just like Auntie Entity. Just like every fucking villain, he manages to come up with something interesting and a good counterpoint to the hero, as opposed to, as you said, Chris, like the Marvel films where it's just one guy dressed in blue and one guy dressed in green. Yeah, I god, I can't you know. I would deign to say like, oh Orge Miller should be hired by Marvel to do something, but they would never let him do what he wanted because he's too much.

I mean, DC couldn't even get a fucking wrangle on him. So yeah, I don't see it happening, but we I mean, look, I have been watching a lot of movies recently, bite people like George Miller who have a very specific movie and they're making a specific thing, and that's what they're doing, and it's refreshing because I'm not gonna say like movies are dead, but talking about at the beginning of this episode, like the people aren't going to the theaters anymore. There are plenty of reasons for that. One of them is, you know, constantly being bombarded with the same shit over and over again, to the point where it all just becomes noise and there's no one thing I can point at and say, this is a thing. This is one of the few movies I've seen in theaters in a while where I'm like, this is a thing worth seeing in theaters.

You don't need to wait for streaming, because shit, Hong Versus Godzilla was out a month ago in theaters and it's already on streaming. Ball Guy not even out a month in theaters and it's our already on streaming. There goes the sequel opportunities for that movie. Like so many things don't need to be seen in theaters, this does. And you know, I kind of wish it had come out before the pandemic in a way so it could have been enjoyed the way it probably deserved to be enjoyed, because things coming out in theaters now just aren't being enjoyed the way that they used to.

Unfortunately. But to your point, Father Malone, like how keep waiting George Miller for him to make whatever it is next? Because he takes his time and it shows everything is well thought out. Everything is has a purpose and serves a purpose and has a place and need in the world. It's not just being put there because it looks cool.

Yeah, that's why Furios has that mask, Like Max did that muzzle. The muzzle returns even but not in like remember the muzzle from Fury Rot. It's like she's just wearing it. They don't hang a lantern on things like so many other things do. Like remember the Interceptor, everybody, here's twenty shots of it, so you can, you know, gaze longingly at this thing you've missed for twenty years.

There's none of that in this movie, thankfully, you know. Once again, as far as defying expectations. This whole movie seems to be leading towards this huge fucking war martin Sho and Dementus, and instead we get a montage. And I was at the first I was like, wait, what are you doing now? And then but then you know I should have trusted him because he pays it off in a whole different way.

We don't need to see another war boy battle on with a war rig versus Dementus and his guys on motorcycles. We've seen that a bunch already in this film, right, It's not part of Furiosa's story. Run at each other like the five armies from the Hotbit. Oh remember how good that was? Oh yeah, yeah, A bunch of CG things just smashing into other CG things.

God, why are we getting more of that? Some of the CG in this in this movie is quite dodgy, and there are plenty of shots whe Us like ugh, oh, wh I should do that? But his adherence to it in this allows a lot more freedom with the camera, like going into the into the autumn bils and pulling out and when we're in there, like zooming in and out of the Oh, it's pretty fucking great man. Are you talking about the end of the movie where they keep zooming in on a very angry Chris Hensworth at the wheel of his car, because those shots are I want to make that my banner on Facebook, just angry Chris Hensworth is grabbing the wheel because it's amazing. It's it's cgi but I don't care.

I love when they just come out and go back in and come. It's like, all right, fine, sure at this point, I don't care. I'll follow you. I will follow you over the cliff George Miller as long as it's an entertaining cliff. Yeah.

I even saw that Genie movie that he did, been The introm So that's how much of a George Miller fan I am. I like that movie. Yeah, it was pretty nice, right, I'm sure it was a dream come true for him after Fury Road, and it was just two people talking mainly first Yeah, with tons and tons of CG. But very effective to the story. I still haven't seen it, but I want to.

It's on my long list of things to watch. Saw it at the theater and it was just to look at. So hopefully it holds up on the small screen. I know the Fury Road does I watch that motherfucker all the time. Still works.

Every one of these movies works as a standalone film. That's an aspect of the whole filmography that doesn't get praise enough. I don't, you don't. You can show any one of these movies to anybody at any time and they'll get it, and they don't need any get the guys, I think this might be the first one though. That's like again like your I don't, Yeah, no, you don't have to see Fury Road before this, you have to see it after, right, And it would be Yeah, it enriches your experience of this movie.

But this is a story of fur he is, so you get the whole deal. It recontextualizes it. You might even say, theoretically, you can be like, this might be the one you start with. Even at this point, I would actually advocate to watch this before Fury Road. Now you're right for the moonem like, watch this first, then watch Fury Road.

You'll be like, fucking amp the fuck up at the end of this movie, and then Fury Road will be like a shot into your fucking veins. Just give me more, man, Can you imagine being that person ten years from now? That watches this then that and hasn't seen either. Man, I want to be that person. Holy shit, Yeah, well we know how good Fury Road is.

Like someone ten years from now will be like they're discovering something to be like, oh my god, have you seen Fury Road. It's like, yeah, that movie came out twenty years ago, thirty years ago. At this point, I hope that person has at least one more Mad Max that we haven't seen yet today. Oh yeah, well, and that's the question. I mean, so they talk about the Forty Day War and they've they threw out and I've seen it mad Max, the Wasteland being a thing that's maybe coming next.

I think in all reality, there should be one more, right, just because, like George Miller is, George Miller is not getting any younger, and frankly, at this point he's seventy nine years old, and unless they're going to change the way the movies are made, that means George Miller is going to be eighty plus in the Namibian desert shooting a movie. So maybe he's just Australian and built different. That's probably the case, But can you imagine an eighty five year old George Miller making a sixth Mad Max movie in the desert. Yes, yeah, right, that's the Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah, like, hble, he's gonna die on set.

Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be wearing those tiny little glasses with the thick, thick lenses and thick frames and yeah but George right right, Oh he's dead. Oh never mind, right, movie continues. I guess yeah, lunch everyone. Yeah, I mean, look, I think there needs to be one more. But I guess the question becomes, what is that movie?

Well, evidently it's the year that leads up to the Jury Road for Max, which is again defy expectations. Here's the weirdest trilogy of all time. Here's one movie and then two movies that lead up to that movie. Yeah. Well, I mean, here you go with Fury Road, where Mad Max is having flashbacks of something we've never seen, that aboriginal guy, the little girl who wasn't his little kid?

I mean, who are these people? I love that we don't know? And it just adds to that richness of that movie. And you know what, if he goes back and shows me that's story, I'm not going to be like, why are you doing this? To me, I'm going to enjoy the fuck out of it.

Honestly, that's probably the starting place. It makes sense because we talked about it on Fury Road, like, who is that child that asks for that that gets Max essentially the memory of them to turn around. Well, yeah, that's the when we didn't talk about Chris. She keeps putting her hand to her head, and then at one point Max does that and it saves his life. So now the ghosts become a little bit more than just figments of his imagination.

They're somehow fremanitional, right, I think. Yet to your point, that's probably the best way to go. That would be weird to have Fury Road. Well, I mean Fury Road is so kind of singular. I mean having everything be around it leading up to it.

Eh, yeah, I'm fine with it. Yeah, I don't see that Jar Marvel did the same thing at some point. I'm sure that there are movies that are basically prequels to The Avengers that are coming out now, you know. But yeah, this is I really can't think of anybody else that's doing anything like this other than George Miller, and has been doing it his entire career. He's going to probably end his career with a Mad Max movie and he's the only one.

Right, wait what? Or a Babe movie? Oh, I hope he's due for a third one, right or Happy Feed three, because there's not a third Happy V movie. He'll make those three, those three movies, and then he'll make the final Mad Max movie. There, let's get him back to the twighlight zone.

Oh yeah, once more? Yeah? Well, And that's the thing. What's crazy is he's the only one who's directed Mad Max movie. There's no other franchise that even that has this many movies that have been directed and created by one person, are there?

I don't know. It's not like he gave the mantle over to some you know, resilient director who had a couple hot horror films. Wow, are you talking about something specifically, No, or a Russian or a Russian director with a lot of interesting looking films, or you know, he was just taking the swipe at the guy who does the Evil Dead movies. Now, and I oh, where he's from, Betty Alvarez? Y?

Yeah, is he from Brazil? Well with a name like Alvarez, I don't know, I don't know. Good might be Spanish he's great. I think he's great. I think But to your point, like, I don't know how a Mad Max movie would play if it wasn't directed by George Miller.

I think somebody would. It would be it would be exactly what we're expecting, which is what George Miller is not interested in doing. He defies expectations. Somebody else would just lean on him a la Ghostbusters Afterlife. Well, I love that.

I mean, there was a whole movement in the eighties and probably into the nineties too, where was all those knockoff from Italy of basically Road Warrior, a little bit of you know, Escape Frons, Yeah, those types of things. And then what comes out this in is sitting right next to Furiosa when I'm looking at f movies Dot Org, Road Wars, Max Fury starring Vernon Wells. But you've got that tie in from Max two. And then yeah, it's got the whole artwork that looks exactly like the Mad Max series. So they're still cranking them out, man, there are still people that want to make the Road Warrior that never will.

What's the name of that studio that used to make all those like faux Busters, Asylum yeah, and that's what it is. Came up and said the asylum of course, trans morphers, snakes on a train also go to slot lights dot net win real money, boy, if you know you know that there's only some of us among us who know the truth of slot lights dot net. If if something like this can't get people in the theaters, I don't know what will really like a big budget car chase movie that necessitates a big screen, Like if people aren't gonna come out for this, the movie industry is struggling. We know that. I mean, it's obvious that's why things come out on stream a month after they're in the theaters, because people just haven't come around to seeing things in theaters.

Do I wish this would be the thing that got more people in the theaters? Sure? Is it going to be? Clearly unfortunately not. The money that this movie has made is not the movie.

It was the money it was expecting to make, unfortunately, which seems like a fucking shame because that's not a reflection on the quality of the movie at all. Frankly, it means nothing as far as I'm concerned. It's more of an indication of society, not the film. Itself. Yeah, you know, it's not like movies don't succeed and then become cult films afterwards or find their audience.

It's just the case of that, right. The unfortunate thing is there was so much money involved, and it puts the future of the series in jeopardy. But that the future of the series was always in jeopardy every time. It took so long to even have Fury Road made, Like Fury Road came out in twenty fifteen, it is twenty twenty four. This is a rather short period of time between films, given the period of time between Beyond Thunderdome and Fury Road, which was like what fifteen years something like that?

That short. It felt like more than that, because I mean I remember watching Beyond Thunderdome when I was still in high school. I think, yeah, it was when eighty seven. Yeah, awesome, more than that, Yeah, fifteen, that's got eighteens. Yes, it's crazy.

At the end of the day, though, like even this movie's existence was bandied about for years after Fury Road came out. I am surprised we got to see this movie, that this movie did come out. Really, there was a lawsuit in there, right that that sort of slowed the process of it, because I think they were all ready to go and then he said, Hey, Warner Brothers, where's my Fury Road money. See, that's the interesting thing that there's such creative accounting where people can have the number one. Yeah.

I love the stories of like James Cameron and just like, oh yeah, yeah, here's how much I actually made off of Titanic when the studios made this much money. Okay, yet to get creative of your accounting. That movie lost money? Guys, what are you talking about. That's just it's a line item, batgirl.

We lost money on that movie. It never came out. We lost money on it, though, I swear speaking of fucking Warner Brothers. Jesus H. Christ.

Yeah, makes it even more remarkable that we got to see this movie right off of a hard drive. Yeah exactly. Well, sorry, you don't get to see this movie that people spent time, money and effort on. Fuck you. Yeah yeah, but hey, I mean, look, at the end of the day, I hope that we get something beyond this.

I hope that it does something different than even this movie has. I don't know what that is. Maybe it has nothing to do with Mad Max or Furio, So I can't imagine that's going to be the case. Maybe it's an I don't even think it needs to be a Mad Max movie. I mean, at this point, like, isn't you know Mad Max is kind of not necessarily important to the story unless I don't know.

Actually, I think that's a good a good spot to ask the question, because I think we talked a little bit about it at the end of Fury Road. If you were to pick where this went, where would you want it to go? I want more Mad Max, the character being Yeah, I mean, I'm totally comfortable with any of these characters. They're all so rich, these worlds are so fantastic. He wants to start anew and tell us what's going on on the coast of Australia and pick a hero for that region.

Totally cool with it. Really, I want more Mad Max. We got one Tom Hardy, give me at least one more, Oh, like an actual proper Mad Max. Tom Hardy as Mad Max. Yeah, because he's a minor character in this particular saga, but I want to know his story, Yeah, I I yeah, what about you, Mike Way, I'm right there with bottom alone.

Yeah, that's what i'd like to see I really liked so much of what Tom Hardy was doing, just those little things like that little thumbs up thing that it gives before one of the bride's bite said, or the whole that's bait thing, you know, just those little movements that he was doing, even when he's talking about going back through the wastelife and he's using his hands in all these interesting ways. I really liked what he was doing with that character, and i'd really like to see him explore that some more. And again, I don't care if it's not true to the first three movies, because the first three movies really weren't true to the first three movies. You know, they win radical directions. So please Tom Hardy continue to take me in a new direction.

I am there with you, sir, and I think and we talked a little bit about this on the Fury Road episode, but I think of bears repeating. I have also come around a lot on Tom Hardy in the subsequent decade since Fury Road came out, because again, right around that time was the Baine times of Tom Hardy, which for a lot of us was not It wasn't necessarily the first introduction, but it's definitely the biggest introduction for a lot of people. And yeah, his character of Mad Max. I'd like to spend more time with him, because it's an interpretation that is different and kind of sadder than mel Gibson's, which I think is interesting because we never really I mean Mad Max as Melis is kind of a cipher, and Tom Hardy doesn't seem as much of a cipher.

He's clearly more haunted and he lets those haunted things get to him, which is an interesting aspect of the character that Yeah, I'm with you guys, if we got that cool, I mean Tom Hardy at this point big enough, massive enough star that it's like, you want to be the lead lead and actually lead the whole thing. I can't imagine he would say no as long as well, that's the thing. I wasn't aware that him and Charlie they're on like, didn't get along. No, apparently I haven't listened to that audio book about the making of the whole Windology, But yeah, I didn't know that either. I just started hearing those stories this week.

I guess it's because of the new movie coming out. They want kudos to George Miller. Yeah, keeping that for keeping it apparently, you know, great films don't necessarily come out of the leads fucking hating one another. So yeah, but those characters were tense anyway, worked for the movie. Yeah, Well that was the thing I read.

It was, it's like maybe at a tough time and then the movie in desert making a fucking masterpiece with George Miller. Well, that was the thing I read. It was like, well, maybe Tom Hardy was just method acting the relationship with her too, and it's like, here he was. Yeah, I fear it was one instigation on his part Tom Hardy. I mean he's a method actor.

We we kind of know that he's maybe not as like method as Jared Leto. And I'm not saying like, yeah, we don't all need to have condoms sent to us by our co stars for fuck's sake, But I would watch another Tom Hardy, Matt. I would watch a Tom Hardy Mad Max movie, because we really haven't had we deserve one at least. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that is a question when it comes to these movies, and maybe a good place to stop.

But when it comes to Fury Road, I think it's Furiosi's movie. When it comes to Furiosa, is it her movie or is it somebody else's movie? Oh? No, I think it's furiosis I mean it's her tail. Beginning to end.

We get a lot of interesting like side missions or or you know, we certainly get more of the what's going on as far as who holds power in this universe. But it's like the previous Max trilogy, it's about that person wending their way through it. I would say if if Mad Max Fury Road is a Furiosa movie with mad Max in it, I would say, yeah, Furiosa is a Furiosa movie. But I think Chris Hemsworth is in this movie a lot as well, and you could make a case. I might even make the case that it is kind of a shared movie because there paths interweave in and out of the movie so much.

I mean, there is a stretch of film where he's not in it and it doesn't necessarily drag, but his presence is missed. But at the same time he is also I could see in a less aptly handled version of this movie how he could be fucking grating and obnoxious to the point of like he's not only distracting, but he's actively causing me to dislike this movie in a way that sometimes characters that are big the way his character has been can get in the way for some people. I look at something like The Fifth Element with Chris Chris Chris Tucker, he in that movie gets in the way of my enjoyment to that movie. And I know that, and I can admit it. He's such a big character and he's so specific.

But I kind of see the same thing with Chris Hemsworth, Like you might find him to be objectionably obnoxious and kind of ridiculous with the fake nos and to really put on accent, But I think he's great, and I think it's not as much his movie as firiosas, but he is a big part of this movie. And there is a reason he is on the poster as big as he is with her, because he's behind her on the one sheeter. I mean, he's his presence is made very clear on that poster. Yeah, he's kind of her joker, like you know you made me, I made you type of thing, because yeah, he's there from the beginnings when the murders her mother, he's the one that takes her in and kurts her around all over the place. I mean, it's almost a fatherly relationship.

When he claims that he's her father, it's like, well, you could kind of make it case he's been watching over you all this time, like he used to do. Yes, exactly, yeah, he's he's. I mean again, he's he's. This is his I think one of the best things I've seen Chris Hemser. He's really great in this movie, and I think it's a like you like you mentioned Father Malone.

He is a fully realized villain in a way that George Miller kind of seems to really excel at, which is giving us someone who's bizarre and then really expounding on the bizarreness and giving us more to it, not just so many cult of cool things that were used to like a Boba Fett who everybody glombed on to him for twenty years. And it's just like he just looks cool, like Lord Humungus looked cool in Road Warrior, but there was also something to him. He opens that box with the gun and there's all that stuff in the box, so you get a sense of where his character is coming from, or at least you can jump to some conclusions and fill in the blanks yourself. And that's George Miller. I think the success of him is he treats the audience not like fucking moro, which is he's never treated the audience like morons.

I don't think, at least in the things that I've seen, that he's done. And that is something we should not be taking for granted in this day and age where the audience is treated like fucking idiots more or less all the time. Like the idea of presenting the audience something without telling them, but showing them in the filmic language of imagery is not something that most directors are doing anymore, at least not in studio. In the studio system. This is a goddamn studio film, which is the probably the craziest part, so that this is a studio film being made like this, just like Fury wrote, a studio film being made this way.

You gotta be kidding in twenty twenty four, when everybody's so cynical about the way films are made, and they can still make something like this still ekes through the cracks of the marble, you know, green screen everything on a CG. I said, come on, oh cut. Can you imagine, like all of these things being done against green screen, just getting the behind the scenes of every single war boy fighting in front of a green screen. Oh, that would just tear my heart to see something like that. We like House of the Dragon, Like we have this really great set.

I mean, yeah, it looks great, but like, don't show me behind the scenes because there's just a bunch of people standing on like some pieces of rock. This is not compelling by any stretch of the imagination. Well yeah, g stuff that he employs here, I think is just adds to the overall experience some thing, specifically when Pretoria and Jack and furios are making their run for it after that fucking fantastic ambush at Bullettown was a gash. It was Bulletown. Yeah, there's Bulletown.

Yeah, I think I'm a spoke earlier and I called the gas town. Well, well we get too, I mean we get to go in both of them in this movie, don't we like? Which again, just the world building of at all. Like, I just love every one of the environments we go into. There's a sequence where where Furiosa basically gets promoted to the garage that takes place in the citadel during a dust storm and it's all empty and scary and wild.

It's like it's unlike any scene in Fury Road, like it is it is quiet and yet's still menacing. And just I don't know, I'm gushing about the movie. Just I felt transported every time George Miller wanted to give us a new place, that we were in that place, and the amount of CG did not bother me at all. And the scene I was talking about when where they're driving away where they skirt around this basically mountain of sand that dementis just goes right over. But watching them when their way around in that environment, when they're driving over there, there's canyons that they can fall into.

I'm sure that's all CGI didn't care, just added to the goddamn movie. I don't know what people's hang up is. Maybe what MCU stuff, man, I guess I don't know what people want anymore, Like I don't get it, Like if this isn't entertaining for you, what the fuck do you want? Like I genuine like this this movie is entertaining up and down, Like, yes, it's a little slower than Fury Road, but also if you've never seen Fury Road. This movie is still jam impact with action, but Fury Road is such its own thing that if again, the worst thing about this movie is that Fury Road existed before it.

That's it, like in so many cases of like the Godfather one and then the Godfather too. Look, the Godfather Too for many people is as good of a movie as Godfather. Won. I think this movie is as good of a movie in Fury Road in many ways. But Fury Road is so singular in what it's trying to do it's kind of hard, if not impossible, to do that again.

Also, why would anyone do that? Again? Well, that's what I'm curious about. I mean, they didn't do Furio so before Bury Road. Could they have done that?

Or would people have just rejected the movie out of hand because of his a female led action film, which seems like box office poison? Or is that what's happening right now? You know, we talked about how few people are in the theater. Is it just a general malaise or people are rushing out to see fucking Garfield? And if in all these horseshit movies, well, now, just at Chris Pratt voicing a Cat, How dare you are?

Our our actual cinema cinema living actor. He's a legend of voice acting, Chris Pratt. He's such a good actor. He doesn't even like Lasagna. He's never even played Super Mario Brothers.

He didn't even know it was a video game until his child told him about it while he was filming the movie. Oh wait, that was Bob Hoskin. I don't know what people want anymore. I don't. I mean, I may have said this when we were talking Mad maxim one of the other episodes Father Alone, but I don't think people that are younger than me go to these like I think people consume content differently now, and I think that it's hard to hold people's attentionspan.

That's not being me being cynical. It's me just looking at the way content is consumed en mass. I mean, TikTok is not that long for a reason. It's the dopamine rush of being able to watch one hundred different things in five minutes because you're just just flipping through them. I get it.

Look, I'm still the guy who will watch a seven hour video on YouTube explaining a movie or going in depth on a movie I will watch that, but I can't speak for everybody, and I can't speak for anybody even being bothered to sit through a two hour movie, let alone a ninety minute movie without fucking around on their phone fucking off to do something else. And look, that's the benefit of having access to everything on our phones and TVs, as we can do that. But also it has in general diminished the movie going experience at large, and that's been going on since before the pandemic. It will continue in perpetuum because we now can watch fucking Citizen Kane on our iPhones. Okay, Like when that movie came out, people didn't think they'd be able to see it at home, let alone on their phones while they're taking a shit at work.

So I just think the industry will never catch up to the way people want to watch things, because the industry likes to make money, and it's hard to make money the way people are consuming things now. So I remember when you told me that you hadn't seen Citizen Kane, But now I'm so glad that I can picture how you watched it. Yeah, yeah, I actually watched it in thirty second increments on TikTok. That's what I did and YouTube shot right, Yes, yeah, clearly. I mean Mikowitz wrote that script and was like, I can't wait for someone to watch it in forty five second clips, they'll really get what I was going for.

Just wait till that Takatu comes up. God, anything else we want to talk about with Furiosa, don't kick it to you first, Mike. Final thoughts on Furiosa amed Max Sag. I was a little on the fence when I saw this yesterday, I have to tell you, or sorry two days ago, and I'm glad that I had time to think about it and sit with it and just kind of I went through and I watched two, three, and four and sat with five some more and yeah, you've heard on this conversation. I'm pretty sold on five now.

So I'm right there with you as far as I really am. A Furiosa fayan I guess the thing we we didn't get to ask Mike before I asked fatimhon, are you have you changed your opinion on Thunderdome or do you still hate it? Well? Actually I was really happy watching it yesterday because or two days ago, you know yesterday, because I left right before the kid part and then I went downstairs and did some laundry, so I saw the movie that I wanted to see. I didn't really need to see anything else after That's that's unfair.

I'm a big fan of that movie, so I'm a big fan of half of that movie. I'm you know what. Ultimately, I'm a big fan of each of the Mad Max movies. I think they're all of a piece. They're all they connect and they don't simultaneously, and I think they're equal adventures depending on where you feel like spending time with Max or lack thereof.

There's something for everybody in the series. Final thoughts in furios I fought him alone a worthy successor slash prequel? I guess like I as a rule just can't fucking stand prequels, and was when they announced that they were immediately doing this after Fury wrote, I was like, really, do we need to go there? I'm glad we went there again. Expectation defind.

George Miller just keeps knocking it out of the park no matter what he does in this universe, as far as I'm concerned. And I again saw this movie twice, very happily, and I'm gonna watch it again and I would suggest everyone go see it in the theater if you can, just to vote with your bucks so we can continue this wasteland. Yeah. No, I echo both of y'all. I think for me, it's a fury Road is obviously so its own thing, but I think this is its own thing as well, and it kind of mixes and matches things that we've seen but in a different and unique way and adds some things to the story that I think are needed, which is a pivot to another character, a pivot to a female character, a pivot to a genuinely interesting and well acted female character across both films, both interpretations, and like you both have already alluded to, George Miller is one of the few directors who I kind of trust whatever he does, period, and I think that that has evidence to back it up.

Looking at his filmography, I have more or less seen everything but that film from twenty twenty two, and all those movies fantastic varying degrees of fantastic or at least interesting, And that includes Babe Pig in the City, which is nothing like Babe, which he did not direct, Babe Everybody, he only wrote and produced. But no, I'm not that wasn't in reference to you. It's in reference to most people on the internet just going the guy who directed Babe and it's like, no, the guy who directed the crazy Babe movie where he's in the city and there's one Babe pig in the city. Is a talk about subversive and subverting expectations. Yes, yeah, for that to be a sequel to the James Cromwell sheep Herding movie, it's pretty crazy.

But similarly to this, for this to be a sequel to Fury Road and it just being like, Nope, we're not gonna up the ante. We're gonna kind of pull back a little bit and do something a little different but still have what you were expecting in there, and it's still working be just as compelling, I think. Yeah, George Miller is a seminal filmmaker and when he is gone, the world will be a lesser place for it. But until then, I hope he wants to work until he's ninety in the desert, because that's what he's looking at and that's what I'm hoping. So uh yeah, that's that's my final thoughts on Mad Max.

So until the three of us do something again. Crossover who knows, maybe another big movie coming out this summer. Where can people find you and the things that you work on? Father Malone? I would head over to Weirdingwaymedia dot com where I have a few shows on there, like Dark Destinations it's radio drama I write and produce, or Midnight Viewing the Horror Anthology podcast co hosting Youtuboe Fellas, or Midnight Viewing Anthologies Attack, where co host Antonio Lapour and I take a look at anthologies of every genre and media.

What about you, Mike White? Pretty much the same thing other than all those shows, But yeah, come out over there. Where do we Meetdia dot com. We're going to hear we shut off my mouth about all kinds of things, including Colombo and Bernie Miller and a lot else. And how about you, Chris, I would say the same thing weirding Way Media.

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