Urgh! A Music War

Weird. This episode of the Culture Cast brought to you by a movie that actually has no plot. So just so we're all clear further that any further you listen, this will be about a movie that has no plot because it's a concert film. Also, this is an episode that is taking place four months after it was meant to be recorded. December as a month of twenty twenty three got away from us here at the Culture Cast us being me.

Yeah, I don't remember, I think, Heather, we like one was a reschedule because of you. One was a reschedule because of me, and then I don't even remember what happened to the other one, Like December just didn't happen. It was a lost month. It was, but it's but it's all good. There's been last months since March of twenty hey, like I lost everything since Frank.

It's we're been a weird time continuing. But but you know, Chris, the movie we're talking about tonight, this is fitting because the movie we're talking about was delayed and being distributed and coming to theaters, so the delay fits right. And also on this episode of the Culture Cast, time so host Christaschue I am joined by programmer of a Drain in December which didn't happen. What's happening now? Heather Drain and also joined once again it's been a minute though, by pop culture writer Rachel mcpadden.

Hi, Chris and Heather. I'm super happy to be back talking once again about music, almost like it's you know, music is a reoccurring topic here, and last time we talked about Starstruck, which did have a plot. We are now talking on this episode of the Culture Cast about a nineteen eighty two concert film called erg a Music War, which again I will reiterate, does not have a plot. That's the last time I'm saying it, just to give anyone else an opportunity. Yeah, give me, hey man, what is this place?

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I mean, I'm kind of concerned as to how we're going to talk about it because I've never talked about a movie like this before in this setting. So I'm interested initially, Heather, because this is obviously the big question I always ask, why did you pick this movie? Well, I have the simplest answer for that, because it's literally one of my favorite movies ever. I love ur Good Music War. I also feel like it's such a cult movie and it's not really talked about enough, and in fact it's not even I think it's out of print again, so it's really important.

That's the that's always upset. Part of the beauty of podcasting and writing is it's part of preservation because if you keep the conversation and dialogue active, then it keeps it fresh in people's minds and I could be like, hey, I need to seek this out. So that's also part of the goal because it's such a it captures such a cool and unique period of time and music, and it has a truly, I think such a healthy mix of bands, which is kind of hard to do. I think a lot of times when you think of concert films, you think of either like a singular artist being featured like the Last Waltz with the Band, or you think of something maybe like Woodstock or Monterey Pop, which are you know, more about kind of capturing the festival experience.

This wasn't a festival. This was something that was specifically orchestrated, like you know, be like to get this on film dot like recorded in a five period with concerts ranging from LA to New York to Paris to London. Kind of surprised you didn't mention that one of the movie, that one of the movies that's in my top five movies of all time is a concert film and I've never done an episode on it because I didn't know how. And maybe this leads into me finally doing an episode on it. But stop making sense.

Oh yes, oh my god, Jonathan Demi who gets things in the credits of Urga music work right right? I mean like that for me is like the pinnacle of concert phil But it's also like one of my favorite movies because I actually concede and contend I would contend that all of the best versions of The Talking Head songs are on the live version of Stop Making Sense, Like all of the best versions of the songs are the ones that they perform live, which is kind of nuts to me because I don't think that that's something for me. I would say about most music I listen to. I prefer like the studio post production sounds as good as it should, the perfect version most of the times. That's what I want to listen to.

But Stop Making Sense kind of like this movie, it's like this is a thing and it has to kind of be a thing to really be appreciated. At least that's the way I felt after watching this well, and I'm so glad you're open to it, because I was like, I love the mix that we have tonight for this episode because like Rachel, like, for my money, and I can say this objectively, Rachel is one of my favorite people to see and hear or talk about music because Rachel, you have like such a great brain, and you have such a fascinating, a cool and eclectic taste of music, and you fucking rule. So there's that too. But then I was like, but I was like, but it's so cool because Chris, like you're kind of like the new blood we're bringing to urga music war.

So that's why I'm so glad you're open to it, because I could admit my own folly here if somebody was like, Hey, Heather, do you want to come on a show and talk about the Taylor Swift Eras film. I'm nothing against Taylor Swift, it's just not my flavor. I would always say no. But I'm glad you were open to coming and in visiting this because I adore this movie so much and I think I think it's near perfect. What about you, Rachel?

Yeah, this is another one. I mean I am the right age where I feel like I got to experience some of these things in their original forms. Not that I would have seen this in a theater, but I would have seen it on night flight when my grandparents. My grandfather specifically used to beta max all sorts of things for me, and a lot of night flight stuff ended up on that because he knew I loved music, so a lot of times it would be videos, it would be bands that he knew I liked, but it would also just be kind of like general music programming and all kinds of movies that I liked and stuff too, and the weird thing is that, I mean there, I think I knew a couple of the bands before I would have seen this, but nightflight broke it up into like multiple nights of watching or like, I don't even know when I originally saw it.

I probably didn't see it in order. I probably, you know, like I feel like it was recorded over time. I don't even know if at first I would have seen every section of it. And I wish I would have seen it in a theater even as an adult, like I would i'd go now. I would love to go see it now.

So but I was probably I'm gonna say ten when I first saw this stuff. So it was my introduction to a lot of bands I still love today, and and and just the idea of getting to see them a lot. I mean, I had already seen a lot of music. I had an uncle that was in a band that would play all the time, and from the time I was very little, I got to go see concerts. I didn't go to anything really on my own until I would be older.

But to get to watch any form of you know, this is pre videos. So I mean, for not entirely, but for the most part, you didn't see a lot of live, you know, club looking type of performances like that, I felt like this was what my teen years were going to be. I felt like I was previewing my teen years. So yeah, it's I have super nostalgic feelings for it, and that it's also interesting how my love for a lot of these bands have really deepened and my favorite performances have changed over the years too. So I can't wait to just get into it.

And like I kind of mentioned, I am so, I said, Heather, maybe you know, I don't even know that that's the case, because like I saw stop making sense so early on that it kind of colored my judgment. Like I'm not surprised you picked this. I do think, like you said, it is kind of crazy to be like picking a movie that has no plot, like we're just gonna have to that's the thing. Like it doesn't have a plot, but it definitely has a varied amount of performances that are all very different that can all be talked about. And again, it's it's it's it's more of a performative musical than it is anything else, you know, And again, like I like these kinds of movies, I like this more than I've liked most because it is such a varied group of things, and some of these are bands that I already like and listen to a fair amount anyways, like The Police, like Goingo Boingo, Cramps, like Gary Numan, like XTC, like things I'm already listening to and then getting to see them here, which to your point, Rachel, is as close to live as I'm gonna ever get to scenes.

I mean that Talking Heads Stop Making Sense film is the closest I'm ever gonna get to see my favorite band live, and I'm glad that that exists in this format, you know, Stop Making Sense and this because again, like this is at the peak of these things. And it is weird because you mentioned it already, Rachel, with Nightflight having worked on a project that was hosted by he Rivers who got murdered, and then I end up working on that podcast, which I have a credit as an associate producer. So it's kind of weird because this is also stuff that I was kind of hearing about and using in the project I was working on. Some of these bands. I definitely remember their names coming up as things that were like, oh, we could use this, because this was on Night Flight, which was again lead Drivers and all that with the New Wave Theater and again there's new wave bands here, so it was like, oh, I hadn't thought about some of this stuff in quite some time, and it kind of triggered some memories of like, oh, right, I was kind of deep into this area of music at this specific time, for for a lot longer than I think I realized.

I kind of put like a mental block on it for a whole host of reasons. And I'm glad that it was like, oh no, like, you know, you can still enjoy this new wave pup punk and punk music, like it's not all colored negatively unfortunately or fortunately, I guess, yeah, well, and I think, you know, I think that's actually it. It makes me happy to hear you mentioned Peter Ivers, not because of the Murder, but new Wave Theater I know, by the way, Yeah, I love Peter Ivers and he was just such a cool such a cool character and a really talented musician, is right. Yeah, But New Wave Theater has like some crossover because, like you know, one of their one of my favorite artists that's in both this and New Wave Theaters is the Dead Kennedys right and so like I think episodes of New Wave Theater would pair very nicely as like a double feature with ERG and and It's and It's.

You know. The thing that's fascinating with this film too is that. And there's been like different, slightly different cuts of it because like when I saw it, I saw it on I believe, either the Independent Film Channel or I think it was an Independent Film channel back in the nineties, and I taped immediately was like, holy shit, it's coming on, and I grabbed a tape because I'd always wanted to see it. I knew about it, but it was out of print for a year years, years and years, Like I think it had an initial VHS run and that was it, and occasionally you'd have to catch it on, you know, like Nightflight had it. I found a listing in New York Magazine that it aired on Showtime back in April nineteen eighty seven at like three in the morning, like three thirty in the morning.

So it did get some plate but the TV versions depending on like at least by the nineties, they cut out Gary Numan, right, the Gary Newman clip was missing, and the splogynous abounds is missing from that as well. As the Warner Brothers DVD, which they just did like a print on demand DVD run and I think that's not even an option anymore. But I do have that and at least exist true. But Splogynous Abounds isn't on that either. Oh I got it.

Yes, I wonder how much that is now to buy because I'm sure that, Well that's the thing, Like, is anybody parting with their print to ordered version? You know what I mean? Like I feel like if you were having something print to ordered, it's because you don't want to get rid of it. You wanted this thing because like the version I watched, by the way, was on vimyo, because somebody just uploaded probably the version that y'all have up on the vimeo, and it's the whole thing. It's two hours and some change, and I'm glad it's out on the internet because it's like the first or second thing that comes up, which is nice like that there's a version of this out there that is easy, easy to watch as easy to watch, as you know, putting in a DVD is effectively at this point.

And it would be a shame to miss the Gary Newman performance because that little car that he's going around in It's just is just I swear to God with Gary Newman and the cars, like what is this guy? What's going on? I love it. Though when I finally get to see that perforeance, I was like, I was so I was sad for my younger self, like missing it because the IFC cut didn't have it. But holy shit, doing down in the Park, which is one of my like one of my favorite Newman songs.

I fucking love Gary Newman like I love his news stuff. Like Gary Newman is just one of this artists that is just perpetually doing great work. And but yeah, and just that set design, like it's funny because everything all the other sets in the film are a little more stripped down in some like Rachel are like it's straight up clubs, like I know the flesh tone segments and CBGB's but but his, like Gary Newman stage setup looks like like an Eastern European science fiction film. It looks so it's so theatrical is probably the best way. It's so cool.

I think of Gary Newman, I think of theatricality. Oh well, and and that ominous because that down the Park is just kind of a creepy song anyways, and just yeah, it's a it's a riveting performance. But this film has so many like I don't know, do you want to just kind of start like loosely in chronological order, because I see why chris By you were like, how do we Because the film opens up with the Police, which is fitting because not only are they the biggest band at the time when this movie came out, but Iris Records we're behind the film. And of course that Smiles Copeland, who is Stuart Copeland's brother, right, and uh, but yeah, my favorite member. I know, I love Stuart Copeland, but I more and more I think Andy Summer does not get the respect.

But I think I'm also vised because he played with John Cale and I'm a major John Cale fangirl. Love me some John Cale. But Yester Copeland rules. And they are more well adjusted than say, yeah, anyone, but Sting more well adjusted than Sting, all of them. I love Stinging Dune, Yeah, well who doesn't.

Yeah, and that diaper going I will kill him. I mean, like anyone who sings Desert Rose un ironic. That song too much, Sting, It's too much. But I mean I love the Police, who doesn't love the Police, right, Oh, I mean couldn't could the Talking Heads of open to this movie? That's the question.

Well, in my research I found two bands that declined to be filmed, of course, that were talked, and it was the Talking Heads of the Bee fifty twos, which makes sense because they feel I mean, if they're I mean, because this is the biggest band in the entire movie. I feel like, here's the point where we would talk about it. Those two would have been just as big as the Police. It would have aged just as well, I think in terms of visibility. Right yeah, yeah, totally.

I mean I feel I feel a little rob knowing the Bee fifty twos because talking Heads we got stop making sense, I know, but stain you can't. You can't beat that. But the b fifty twos, like the lifeboats we have with them, especially like early era is so good. It would have been cool. They would have fit right in it, would I do wonder why they turned it down.

Yeah, it probably was just like this isn't my way. I'm very specific such an iconoclast though, I mean he is like I get it, like he's I mean, look like I feel like, who's your favorite member? Of the Talking Heads anybody but David Byrne is the same thing with like, who's your favorite member of the police, anybody but Sting because like the Talking Heads don't tour anymore because of David Byrne and nobody else because he pissed everybody else off, like and they were like, eh, we're you know, we're good, dude, Like, it's kind of hard to love on any of these bands. My feelings against Sting are not as harsh as David Byrne. I think same same, Yeah, No, Sting sounds like a nice enough sure, yeah, he's and I don't know, he just always seems a little up his own butt, But that's just me.

I think most I mean, let's say most rock stars his level when you're his level, I mean again, yeah, but yeah, exactly. But I will say this is a band that we're gonna talk about later that comes up and it's one of my favorite performances, The Skayfish, Yeah, which is Jim Skayfish, you know nam after lead singer Jim, who's lovely. He's on Twitter, he's on Facebook, like super friendly to his fans that out that first album is brilliant, Like he should really be a lot better known than he is because like some and you see it in this performance, but like his band and like some of the work they do, some of those songs are on my like Zappa level, like fucking unreal. But Jim said that the crowd and Friegius in Paris, like at one point we're really hostile to him in his band and we're like throwing shit, and Sting came out on stage and like chided them and like stood up for them because like he got you know, he got what they were doing.

And and actually another supporter fans that I wish was in this film. It's not that we're really cool to to Escape Fish was cheap trick. Oh yeah, I know. It's like, oh I love to the but but it's cool to have the I think the police and doing Driven to Tears is kind of a nice gentle way to kind of usher you into the film. Yeah, they're so incredibly professional.

That's the thing too. It starts out so stronger like they they are the hugest band associated with this. It's still it's almost like how a headlining a headliner will get openers that are you know, that aren't going to challenge them. In any way. It's like, not that they're not challenged.

I mean they're they're the most professional. The performances they're they're not the performances I like the best, but but it's just inarguably they're they are the stars. That's why they open, you know, I mean it's fair. Well they close too. I mean not only do they open to your point, Rachel, but they also close as well.

Yeah, they close because they yeah, because they come back for rock sande and they do. My favorite song, which is like the one during the credits is so Lonely, which I love that song, And that's a power move to be the ones who open and the ones who close, Like that's a power it's a power move. And also it also helps to have like your drummer's brother be like the guy at the record company. Very fair, but it's a police that nobody's gonna be bitching about having the police come on now, if my my memory is correct. After that is one of my favorite bands of all time.

And I apologize if I'm hogging this, but I have too because it's Wallavoodoo and I am a massive walla voodoo fing in. And this film does have some some of the bands get little interstitials, you know, it's just like brief, little sort of and you know, we see them out on the pier and a cool little details. You see the guitarist Mark Moreland reading like a racetrack sheet and Mark Moreland that was like authentic Mark Morelan legit was a fan of the races. So yeah, you get a little little I don't know if the rest of them are into fishing, but that's a nice little thing. And we get to see like the like the original lineup of this band with Bruce Morland, who was out of the band by the time, like because most people probably know this band for Mexican radio and Bruce was gone by that point, and he would be back in the band when Andy Preboy joined them back in the mid late eighties, which I highly encourage you by listening to that to check out that era because that's some of the best stuff.

But I love this clip. Did you guys enjoy this this Wallavoodoo doing back in Flush? I loved it so much. It's really it kind of set me into a revive Walla Voodoo revival a little bit, and I've definitely put some songs in my when I listened to daily. Uh, I think as it's they're so pulled together.

I like the way they look. They have like kind of the subtler version of the great hair, you know, and they're like a little bit mustlier than you're used to seeing they have muscle shirts on on top of it, you're not really expecting I'm gonna talk about sartorial issues. No, I mean it is like it starts so strong. To start with the police and then go into Walla voodoo is like I would just I can only imagine what it felt like in a theater. Oh right, And oh my god, Chris, before I ask you what you thought, I have to say I love the muscle thing Bruce like, Bruce Morland is stone cold, hottie like, and he's in a band now called Ravens Moreland which is also fucking great.

And his dropper was then throw killed cold like, which is so amazing. But yeah, I mean that the band Lick Gray. I love that Chess Gray looks like kind of looks like Darren from Bewitched a little bit, but like a bit like cuter. Yeah, they're just like they're the total package. And but but Chris, like, was this your first like real entrance to WALLIVD.

No, the last time was when uh in Night Dreams. Oh god, that's right, that's right. Oh my god. This is like, I mean, I've heard Mexican radio before, but this, like you mentioned, not the same line the Ring yeah, but Ring of Fire yeah. Rights iconics Yeah, No, I mean they're they're great.

I mean again, they're for me. There's a band coming up that, like, I get it, I get why they're not the second, but I was kind of surprised that they weren't the second. I feel like you could make a case for Oingo Boingo having been in the second spot, right, is it you do? Like, like, for me, is a big enough name, they could have been the second band after the Police. Well, Bingo weren't signed when they recorded their their spot, right, So this is just kind of feeling this way post all of the reality of Oingo Buengo being Yeah, they got bigger after this film to be on now granted their clip here, I mean we'll get to that.

Yeah. I love Wingo and I love early Oingo Boingo the most because this is we're getting them right right after like fresh kind of from the delusion or dissolution of mystic nights of Wungo Bueo. So this is post Forbidden Zone, but there's still kind of got a little bit of that weirdness to them, like they're not quite as codified kind of as I think they've become later, which I'm not saying that's a negative, right, but audience gets really hyped up, like they're there's kind of like light mo washing and kind of slam dancing a little bit, like they're really you know, it's it's the first shot that you get I feel like of that of like really the crowd going crazy and kind of how we traditionally would recognize a reaction to a punk band, but it's Oingo Boingo, but it's really, you know, it's music you can move to for sure.

Oh yeah, I mean it's I love I love some of the crowd shots about this whole film, but there's one that cries me up with at the beginning of Wingo Buinco's this one guy with like almost like not quite pure liberty spikes, but he's totally got like the classic spikey mohawk, and you could tell like he is not fucking having it, Like this guy you can't that, but I love it. I love mixed crowds. I love it, you know, I love I think that's healthy, you know, it's good to have sometimes and sometimes like the ones that you think wouldn't be in down for something are like, uh, because there's definitely like some punk kids that yeah, are straight up you know, going hog wild for poeco. There's one little like blonde punk girl that cracks me up that you see a lot actually during a Wall of Voodoo.

But she pops up throughout where she's just like eating it up. She's just like this little like like sort of like tinker Bell, like from the from like Downtown l at the Mask or something. It's just great that Yeah, yeah, I get it, Chris, because I love is like a good second choice as well. Like in terms of like looking at the rest of the list, there are a couple other bands, but I mean Walla Voodoo I think is up there. I would have been pretty forward thinking to have Joan Jet there, but I think Walla Voodoo like pretty good.

Their performance is pretty good. I haven't seen a lot of their early stuff. That's the thing, Like I will freely admit I have not heard of a lot of these bands, but there are some that I am familiar enough to be like, oh, you know again Devo or the I mean, who hasn't I feel like that's the one where it's like if you haven't heard of them, how is that possible? I mean yeah, well, I mean again, like I don't know if people younger than me like, have you ever heard of the band The Police and be like, I don't know what you're telling you. They're gonna tell you a cab and you're like, dude, that's not the same point.

Yeah, right, I guess I guess they probably know it from and now it's like fucking canceled too because he's a big piece of shit. But the Police, uh sampled on Puff Daddy that you know every breath right, Like that's I would assume a lot of people know the Police only is like the song that is sampled in that song, which I know, like that now is a fucking problem obviously because he's a big allegedly a big piece of shit. But yeah, I mean like most of these bands I haven't heard of, or if I've heard of them, I haven't heard the song that they're performing because a lot of the bands, when we get to the ones that I do know, but like I don't I've never heard this song like this Wall of Voodoo song I had never heard, so it was first time to see the band in person, and then also a different song that I'm used to hearing.

I was when I went and looked, I understood why why they didn't play those songs, because that this was before those songs came out. That's why they didn't play them. Yeah, well radio, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's a different it's a different lineup, right, yeah, this is it takes place before it as well, like yeah, like chronologically literally can't play a song that they haven't written. They're not real and tetting it and they come back from the future with children on their backs and long Goo Tea's song. I love.

I like that now the artist, and I wonder if it's one of those artists Chris maybe was she new to you? Had you heard of Toya? No? Oh my god, this makes me so happy. I love Toya for on so many levels.

Because she's in Derek Jarman's Jubilee, like almost looking very different than she does anywhere else. But but she's amazing in Jubilee. I don't which if if you guys have seen uh which yeah, it's it's brilliant. Derek Jarman's great director. But yeah, yeah, Toya is amazing and she's now she now does all of these like videos where she does different covers with her husband, who happens to be Robert Fripp from fucking King Crimson Wow, and she puts makeup on him and it's like, it's hilarious.

Could you tell? He's just like, oh my god, my fucking wife over here, eyelighter on me, and I'm Robert Fripp. But she's amazing. He gets into it though. They that's where Chris should start in fact with Toya.

Are those that series of videos? Oh, they they're great. They're great. I love it's a wholesome content. It's they they're lovely.

And I I adore this woman and I adore this performance like she for me, for my body. I love her voice. I think she has this amazing, soaring, like big voice, and she's so magnetic that crowd is in the palm of her fucking hands. Every move she makes, they are moving with her. It is such a joy to see that, to see a performer that has that kind of command, who's good.

The leader of Paramour, Hailey Williams. She has the same hair color. Yeah, Toya's oh my god. But right, like Chris and Rachel, like, what did you guys think of this performance? I have to say, Toya is not one of my favorites.

It's not not that I have I think I love the way that she looks, and I completely agree that it's a fantastic performance and the crowd is going crazy. I think I can't, Like, I don't connect to the music so much. I feel like it is kind of genre defying, and I respect that quite a bit, but it's, uh, yeah, I don't it's embarrassing. But that's not She's just not one of the ones. She's just not one of my performers.

That's okay. I thought she was fine. I mean I thought she was fine. Like I think to Rachel's point, like it's one of those things where I was listenying to it, I was like, you're just kind of your own thing, and either you're into it or you're not. Like she's fine again, Like it is one of those things where I don't know, it's probably wasn't similar to Rachel's like, it's just not for me, I guess, but I understand why it's not, which is just like, I don't know, music is such a thing that is so specifically, Like my taste in music feel very specific, but they're not.

But like some of this stuff is like oh but like again, like I've been exposed to it enough to know that, like I can watch it and appreciate it for what it is and what it is true to be. That's just not something that go out of my way to find on a normal basis. Yeah, no, that's more than fair. And trust me, there's some artists that we'll get to that I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna be just like oh yeah, okay. But one artist I can't say that about is John Cooper Clark, like, and I love that we get to see him here because this is where we're starting, we're starting to get some of the more I wouldn't call him obscure, like because like, if you're into this particular era of like punk culture and especially like British punk culture in that era, you know who, you probably know what John Cooper Clark is.

But he's kind of fascinating because he's basically a musician who's a poet. I mean, poetry is music in a way really. But but yeah, but he he doesn't sound like a slam poet, so I dig it. Yeah, it's real and it's not unlike Patty Smith in a lot of ways, I feel like we're used to that type of where it's cut, it's not it, it's not really it isn't it isn't spoken word. Yeah, but also the physical, like his physicality, the way that he kind of performs these songs is really you can't take your eyes off him.

Oh completely, Yeah, Like he has like he it's almost like he his body like he's this like like this rail thin man with this amazing kind of bushy quaff just like attacking the word. I was thinking. He looks like a caricature of Bob Dylan, right, he looks like he looks like the Little Prince, you know, like a combination of the Little Prince from the movie and Bob Dylan, which is it's so attractive, like the dark glasses, the hair, like it's really he he uh, you can't take your eyes off of him, you know, Like you could show people a picture of him and be like, is this Bob Dylan. They'd be like, yeah, his hair is taller a little bit taller. No, it's it's kind of like the ideal version of that hair, I think for me because I say, go bigger, right, Yeah, I agree, Like he's taller, like you said, caricature of Dylan.

Yeah again, first keep a counter at home, Like how many of these I'd never heard of before? This is another one again, like this is a thing that I'm just now being exposed to as an adult, which is like again, like you said, not slam poetry, but I think to describe this to someone as like sort of what most people have would assume slam poetry to be, which is like poetry with like light music behind it. I guess, like I don't know. I was in LA recently and I saw something like this and I felt like I was standing in a room with people looking at it, shaking my head like I understood, Well, they did not understand anymore than I did, and like I just it's not something I've ever been into. So now having seen it twice within a week, it's like, huh okay, like interesting, I don't know, it's interesting.

Does that make sense? Yeah? Yeah, I think John Cooper Clark's such a great example of doing that where it works well because I find I find poetry like it's poetry is so hard. I think it's in my at least for my like my opinion, I think it's one of the harder heights of writing to nail, and especially performative, because which is it's music. Like you said, yeah, well, especially if people don't spoken word, it's so easy, like if it's not done on the right hands, it's it could come across just like at the total like farty, like farty pretentious nonsense, and you know, but John Cooper Clark's just has like I mean, Rachel, you nailed it, Like he has such charisma like you just he's riveting, like he's totally got the you know, the rock and roll authority.

Like this song too. I even feel like some of the rhymes in it reminds me of Dylan a little bitter, but like the one that's that stands out to me where it's beans, greens, tangerines, low cholesterol margarine. Yeah, it's like it's just you know, I mean, it's it's silly, but it's I'm ready for it. Also, it does have like a sixties vibe to it about the you know, the health fonetic Obviously, I think it was a I don't know. I mean it's it's of its time, but it also it did have some of the rhymes where it reminds me.

It's also making me think maybe of thugs or something, but it's not Oh my god, yes, if there's not human, I mean there isn't there isn't humor too, because like I said, those rhymes, it's really like it's kind of these it's very accessible images and like the poking fun at the average family or something, or like being into fitness. I don't know. Yeah, I love it though it looks like it kind of transcends time and whether you it's like I do want to watch the performance. I don't know if I want to listen to the record, but to watch the performance. I think that's really the whole He's got it all.

Yeah, oh my god. You know he at one point opened for Nico in the early eighties. Wow, if I had a time machine, my god, like oh the heart wonders. But but yeah, I love the Patti Smith invocation to you with that, like that's perfect. Yeah, because Patty especially like seven like well probably still doesn't know, but like I think of like her like doing horses and you know, having those kind of spoken, little spoken bits before she just really starts just you know, losing herself to the rhythm.

So cool. So yeah, Chris, what was better? Did you prefer John Cooper Clark over the La Poet or or is it that the same? That the same for you? But the same?

I mean again, like I kind of again like it's one of those things where the more I feel like, the more I'm exposed to it, the more I kind of get it. But again, it's not not something I'm like going, I've never just cueued up a poetry album. Let's put it there, and I'm sure that's a thing, right, that has to be a thing. Oh, it's totally It's totally a thing. Actually, I'm surprised she's not in this.

I have a really good poetry album by a pleasant gayman who was a Yeah, I love her, like she's a great writer, huge part of the La punk scene. She was in the band the the Oh God the Screaming Sirens. I'm a sad tribesman and that's an Australian thing. But she's super cool. Also like professional belly dancer, which is amazing.

But uh, but after that we get om D aka orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, which is another favorite fan of mine. And I love it that we're getting to see because in America at this point, that's the thing because some of the bands that we see that are known when this film came out, some of them were known more than others, and some of them, like the Go Gos, weren't signed when we get to them. The Go Gos weren't signed when they were recorded either, so but OMD was. But they're doing their song in Ela Gay, which is such a great song and just kind of a haunting song obviously about the atomic bomb. But we're getting to see them where they you know, most Americans probably know them for their song on the Pretty and Pink soundtrack, which was like eighty six but a bunch of the great song.

But it's kind of cool to see them kind of and they're more sort of more sort of craft not this song doesn't sound quite as craft Work, but they've I mean, kraft Work was one of like their absolute number one inspirations for forming that band. But yeah, what did you guys think about OMD here? Well, I saw OMD, I think three times, but I could only remember specifically two times. I saw them open for the Thompson Twins on the Swatch tour Oh my god, nineteen eighty five, I think, and uh, and they were great. And I saw them I think also open for power Station, which was one of the you know sub bands of Duran durand members.

Hell yeah, the open for that, So that was probably, you know, fairly close together. I saw them open and I swear I saw them open for someone else and I couldn't couldn't really think of it. I mean, I was like twelve and thirteen right around that time or whatever, but I definitely liked them. I was into the Pretty and Pink soundtrack when it came out. I think that's a great soundtrack.

I may have even gotten it for my birthday, I think. And then I was, you know, I was way way into records. But and also I mean it had a few of my faves, and it has Echo and the bunny Men, and they are also in urg so there's a connection. Didn't think we'd be talking about Pretty and Pink here are Yeah. I really it's so funny there.

I think that the thing about OMD is they really they're like these purveyors of the synth rift, you know, like they're and when you talk about Nola Gate, it's that exact same thing too. It's like they have these synth rifts that are I mean, not that they're the only band to do it, but they really, you know, they don't They don't even have guitar, like they have a bass, two synth players and drummer in this, you know for that. And I don't even remember. I don't even remember if they had any other support members. When I would have seen them, I thought it was just the two of them, and then maybe they had other tracks or something or who knows.

But yeah, I love them. I need to Oh my god, I'm so jealous. You get to see them live. That is amazing. That's oh my god.

And the power Station holy shit, Yeah, there's a I don't know if I should tell the funny Should I tell the funny story associated with the power Station? Or is that too much of a digression. Robert Palmer fronted this, It was basically a supergroup that it's like two members of Durandurante with two members of Sheet and they were fucking bad ass unless you see them at live aid and they're still badass. But uh, Michael Debar was their lead singer briefly too, and I love him as well. That's whom tour well, that's who they toured with book.

You got to see Michael Dubar too, did. Here's the thing. So I was really I was a big Duran Duran fan when I was younger, so I was really excited to see Power Station. And again I'm still like early teens when this has happening and there. I would always listen to King Biscuit, Flower Hour, yes, and so Power Station was on that and I knew from listening to it.

Well, I also knew for my uncle's band, and I knew from listening King Biscuit Flower Hour or whatever. It's like people will say the same thing in every city. We know this now that they when the band comes through, and they'll have the routine, especially if they're introducing the band a lot of time, that's like super routine. You know. It's like you say the thing about whoever you go around.

So I knew what they said, or I was had a hunch it would be the same introduction of the band, and they said after each person, Michael Dubar would say, give the man a hand, give the man a hand, Give the man a hand. So we my best friend and I at the time, we went to a like a year round costume shop, like a Halloween shop or whatever, and bought a rubber hand and I brought I bought the one that was Hobo so that we can put a note into it. So we wrote a note that said that probably I mean ever so innocently, probably literally said like we love Duran Duran, you know, and like stuffed it in the hand and then walked up as close as we could. And when they said give the man hand, through the hand, which it didn't make it onto the stage it anyway, but it was it was like our little thirteen year old selves going to the You know, this isn't a time where your your parents are having to drive you to a different suburb to buy a rubber hand to throw on stage.

So I don't know, I mean, it was. It was extremely fun and I haven't no idea what I was thinking, But anyway, that's that's my power station story. Give the man a hand, Give Rachel a hand. That story is fucking adorable. Oh my god, that's so cute.

I love I love that. I think I met Michael Debar would probably find that funny too. He seems to have a very good sense of humor. But but Chris, like, what did you think of this? I again, like not a band I was eminently familiar with.

So I like the performance. I mean again, I see that the craft work inspiration for sure. I mean it was very like I like the synth keyboard. No, I just you know, some of these bands, I just feel like I missed them, and then other ones it's like I know too many of their songs, if that makes sense. Some of the bands like I know their songs and other ones like, I excuse me, there's one band later on that you know, I wish I didn't know any of the songs.

There is one band. There's only one band I actively do not like, which for an app for a film that's over two hours long, that's I think that just shows the testament of how strong this movie is. But yeah, and actually Echo and the Buddy Men Rachel you mentioned them, so I feel like we should and they're during the Puppet, which is so cool because that's it. Again, that's like kind of Chris, what you were saying earlier, that's not what that's kind of a deeper cut, I feel like for that band, Yeah, that's not the song of theirs that I know, that's for sure. So good though, Oh it's amazing.

It's and it's so cool like to see like to see them do this live and you know, and that's that's kind of that's the thing this film. I talked about time travel, and both of you brought this point up already, is it? But it's true, is that this film is like as close as we're gonna get to time travel, like both for these bands but also for this era, like because the landscape has changed so much for live, I feel like for like venues, I mean, things change, it's just it's what happens. But you know, like some of these venues, probably a lot of these venues don't even exists at this point or they're so different than what they were. I mean, I can't imagine the Whiskey a Go Go has the same vibe as it did in nineteen eighty.

Yeah, no, I wouldn't imagine. So, but well, this part so the Echo and Buddyman performance too. I had just recently I recently rewatched A Rude Boy the Clashes, and so there's a lot you know, you see they have all these performances, and you get to see lots of crowds too. It's that type of you know, the fans that waiting to get outside or waiting to get inside, the fans you know at the friend of the stage. You get to see lots of fan interaction, lots of outfits and everybody's cool style and Echuin the Buddyman in particular, you get lots of shots kind of on the lobby and outside and people walking up inside.

So I really like that because it's it just takes you right there, like you feel like you are again. It also reminds me of the scene the music scene in Wings of Desire, which I rewatched recently. Yes, I just love when you're kind of like following someone on the sidewalk outside and you're going in and you just everybody knows that feeling when you're walking up to go see that band, you know, And I think at that time it's even more specific because these would have been the first kind of young you know, cool Like I really wanted to be like those kids they were going to see Echo in the Bunny Bend, you know, like I just wanted to be them, so it's it's really cool to kind of people watch and to punk watch, like to watch all the little punks outside and stuff, and no one I think in the history of of you know, new wave music had better hair than Ian McCullough.

Oh my god, I perfect hair, perfect hair, prepect jacket. I mean, they just look and sound fantastic. They're so good. Yeah, I to me, it's just one of those classic bands, like it's hard to go wrong with that Go and the Bunnymen, and they hit that sweet spot for me where they're not really god, but they kind of have the shatty, like more shadowy kind of sound a little bit like with some songs more than others. But there's just such a uniqueness and such a beauty to Ian's voice and EO and you get to hear that live like god, I can only imagine if I got to imagine being at a club that size and hearing them do the cutter, like, oh my god, I know, it's like crazy.

And they're one of those bands I never stopped listening to. So I think that's interesting too, because a lot of bands I'll come back to and they'll be decades. I feel like I always listened to Echo and The Buddy Man on some level. So they must they must be among my favorite bands. Totally, totally now.

I mean, they have so many songs that just I feel like are impossible to ever get tired of. There's always a freshness I think there with that band. But but Chris like you you so you mentioned you you were familiar? What is like your what are like your kind of go to songs for Echo compared to the pop the one, the one that shook? Oh yeah, no, that's not Then it's the I.

I probably hate to say this, but it's the I gu it's from Johnny Darko. Oh, but that's a great song. Yeah, it's just those two phenomenal song. Yeah. I love to hear that, though, I love to hear the point of reference from someone who's younger.

It's that there's something embarrassing and learning about it. Oh no, it was what an amazing benefit of trudging your way through Donny Darko to come out? Yeah, Johnny Darkos. But Richard have to watch a shitty movie. Yeah, well, unlike he's always pretty on point with his needle drops in and that in south Land Tails Hasty full of some pretty good music for the most part, I wasn't prepared, but the hilarious snark on rot, I was prepared.

Either I love it. I love it, but I mean I had never heard this song before, and the song is pretty good. Oh it's it's so good, and and you know, kind of dis segues. So we're going to go from a band that's still very much known and I think very respected, to a band that literally never recorded anything except this one performance an ERG and that's a visible sex with their song value. And I tried to see if finally some information at surface about who the fuck these guys are, because I've in George Mark's absolutely essential books Punk Diary and Post Punk Diary.

He alluded to that there were rumors that the band was consisted of members of other bands, but due to some of those bands being on different labelsmies. Yeah, but I don't know. But I did find it well, one person has surfaced. And I would not have expected this because and I had to look this guy up. But according to discogs, at least Tom to me, who was in the Zombies, what some is in this band?

I which I hope to God that's true, because I find that fascinating. I find fascinating that a person who was in and I like the Zombies. It's definitely I mean, it's a different era, but you know, but I like that even though I love that kind of crossover. And that's the thing. There are certain people from that are identified with the sixties that got punk and got like post punk immediately, and they were like, that's what we were doing.

That's counterculture. Like Ray like ray Man Xeric like he produced X's first album. You know, we'll see X later, Like ray Man Zeric fucking got it, like and coincidentally my favorite member of the Doors. I love him, but like, you know, certain people got it, certain people didn't. I always find it fascinating to kind of go back and see which musicians of a slightly older guard like immediately got it and which ones didn't.

Like Phil why not from Thin Lizzie, he got it, he loved it, Like Mark Boland t Rex got it, loved it. In fact, one of his favorite bands was The Damned, which I'm surprised The Damn wasn't in this I was thinking about. I was like, I was like fantasy booking my version of ERG, which would probably be like, you know, forty eight hours long, exactly it'd be. But but yeah, invisible Sex, I know who knows, But but did you guys like the song? I think it's kind of funny, it's cute.

It's it's like a I think they're corny with the head in suits and like synchronized cardboard guitar. Like it seems like variety show stuff. It's which which I can be into, you know, like, but I in this case, it just kind of like it's almost it's almost a skipper for me, you know, like it's hard and it seems like it's maybe one of the longer ones too. Some of these song clips are really short, or maybe it's just because I was like, Okay, I get it, you're masks and has mad suits and what you know. It's just like I appreciate the effort that they put into that, but I don't I couldn't tell you the song honestly.

I mean, I don't, you know, like it's gone for my head this second, I'm not listening to it. That's terrible. That's that's a variety show. That's that's actually more than fair. And you're right, it's weird because honestly, Jules Holland does a song that I feel like is like twenty seconds long or something like.

It's insanely sort, it's and it's cute. It doesn't need to be longer than what it is. That I was kind of fine with it, but it is weird that the guy who was in Squeeze right right, yeah, Squeeze, oh thirty five seconds. Oh, they're phenomenal. I love Squeeze.

Yeah. Actually Little Trivia My The first two CDs I ever bought as a kid was Squeeze forty five Singles and Under and and the Cakes Lola Versus The Money Go Round. Fantastic, what what two great celects. I'm proud of it because I didn't always make great decisions at s, but that was that was one of them. So the first ed that I bought when they invented CDs was a Blow Monkey.

Yes, now I love that monkey Dig Dig in your scene or whatever. I love that song so much, And so that was my But then I'm trying to think it was either that I can't remember which one came up first. I got to it was that, or was the Belinda Carlisle solo Oh my God with the pink cover. Yes, I now that the vinyl of that was in our house. That honestly, my first record is probably something really embarrassing, my first vinyl, but without a doubt that's I think that was like three years old.

Mine. Mine was something about the Grimlins. Yes, it was one of those books with Yes, it was the first, the first music. All right, Chris, I know this is but this is all tied. This is all music, Okay.

I was. My mother had the Panama, like the forty five single Panama by Van Halen, and I pretty much like I learned. I learned how to work the turntable because of that single, because she got tired of she got tired of fucking with it. And I saw and I saw, I'm like lip it and started over. She wasn't going to pick up and drop that needle one more time.

No, She's She was probably like, okay, honey, like I've heard it like eight times. I still love that song. It has such the dirty, the dirtiest breakdown. Oh oh yeah, that was big. I used to stamp hands.

My mom worked at a disco when I was a kid, and when I was ten, I was like a child labored a record store. Our friend head a record store. But I would also stamp hands on teen night at the disco, which the tea and I mean, and they were playing Panama basically let me just once in a while they would place some van Hale it and mix it in with some new wave in some top forty. But yeah, oh my god, yeah that's I don't know. I guess before we leave the land of invisible sex, which we can't leave it too soon, Chris, do you have any any thoughts on invisible sex and their they're own to value.

You mentioned the Jules Holland thing, which I thought was eminently more interesting. But I get the gimmick of doing the Hidden Identities band because you know, bands want to do that from time to time. I just they were fine. I like the backup singers. I think that's the I do like the girls going foh yeah, like then, I like, I like them.

I forgot about the fake guitar. Yeah, that that was corny. That was it. Maybe think of the police officer playing the carbod guitar and you got it. I think it's the music video where you got another Thing coming by Judas Priest.

Oh man, it's a lot, it's I mean, at least with that you have the queshion of it being Judas Priest Invisible Sex don't have the clouds. They they don't have the Rob the Rob Halford cloud. But but did you like the Jewels HOLLOWEO clip. Yeah, but again it's kind of Squeeze, you know, yeah, I you know it's weird. Is he's probably better known now for having that talk show that he had for years in the UK that he is for being a Squeeze.

That's so weird to me because I still think of it as the dude from Squeeze. I'm like, oh, it's a funny keyboardist from Squeeze as a podcaster makes radio TV radio? Does he call it radio TV? Not cool? I like that.

I mean, if he's not trading on the fact that he was a former musician, what is he doing right? Yeah? He Oh god, he also co hosted that show The Tube, which had some really great live performances. Yeah, he definitely. I think he introduced me to some music for sure along the years.

Oh oh totally yeah. But Chris, I'm excited to mention this next man because you you alluded to being a big fan of them. I'm definitely a fan of them as well. XTC Yep, they're great. I mean again, it's like I've heard two of their songs that I really enjoy and like that's I mean, like I said, like, is that a fan or is that just someone who comes into this with prior knowledge?

You could be a baby fan. Like a fan doesn't necessarily mean you have to like have like I know more of their songs that I know most of the songs of most of the people here. Yeah, well you're not the extensive catalog of invisible sex. Is that no? I think it's not a cardboard guitar.

I see it the Asmat series, right, kind of like a white wrestling mask made out of Hasmat. Well, we'll be your backup singers, Chris They, Rachel Grofrid. Yeah, I mean I will say XTC like the songs of theirs that I've heard. I like the song hear that they perform is great. I love the lead singer's voice.

Oh Andy Partridge, Oh my god, I wish there was more xCC. I like the good lead singer who has a distinct voice. Let's put it that way. Like I appreciate that, Like Kate, this whole performance isn't the running for my favorite because it fucking rocks. And I warned Heather I was going to say that because I watched it again just like minutes before we got together, and I was just like it fucking rocks.

And of course Andy Partrid had a nervous breakdown and stopped touring so to get to see this and the way, it's like they sound fucking phenomenal. He looks amazing. He's the big black pussy bow on which I can only love it. Just it honestly fucking rocks, Like it's what I just feel like they are there. There's I want to say they're underrated, but they stop touring, Like what an amazing live band were they to not live?

Like to stop playing live? It's a travesty like and I don't the vibe. This is the thing, like, so Chris is I think I might be. I'm a live music person, you know. So it's not that they don't appreciate good record I absolutely do.

But I want, you know, it's like I like to see live music. I like to listen to live music. I will seek out recordings and videos of live music just to see because it's a whole experience versus listening to a record. And but and so this it's like I just feel and that's what first got me into XDC was seeing this, you know however many years ago, and then you know, recognize as soon as then they would have like a hit that I would know on MTV or whatever, then realizing that that's the same band, and so from such a young age. But it just I mean, it is the like it has a little funky bass and it's just phenomenal.

It's incredible, Like I'm just really blown away by this performance and the song. Like if you listen to the song, the studio version of the song, it's a great song. It's very catchy, you know, not not a lot of ecstasy. Even is kind of in line with Squeeze to me a little bit, except it does have like kind of more the vocals have a different uniqueness about them that you know, but but those they almost kind of have a similar existence in my head or in my younger life, I think. But but yeah, my version, it's a whole different song.

Well, XDC has the drum too, yes, and then symbol where it's just like yeah, there, that's XDC for me is the band that uses that raverb drum a lot, which I know is like an Eighties thing obviously, but I don't know, like when I think of music from the eighties, like XDC is up there in terms of like very much the kind of music that the eighties is associated, which is not a bad thing, Like I love music from the eighties for a specific reason because it all very much has a similar flavor to it, unless you're listening to a thing that's kind of trying not to be at which there are things on this that are trying not to be that specifically. And then there are things like Klaus Know Me, which I have no idea.

Yeah what I watched, Oh my god, too deep into Klaus Know Me? Though. Let me just say about XTC, like I don't think of them. I don't think anyone is, Like XDC is my favorite rock band, right, you know? And I watched this performance and I think, are they my favorite rock band?

Like it's my favorite rock song that I've heard, Like it rocks? Yeah, no, it does, it does rock? And XDC rock. I I what a great band and what a consistently fascinating band, Like I I they that's a band that I really do encourage to like anybody. And Chris, especially since you do like some of the songs to kind of like perduce their discography.

They they are good, like they are like continually good. That even their side project, it is a side project called The Dukes of Stratosphere, which is sort of like their psychedelia kind kind of side project. And it's really great too, and just yeah, and and it is. It is heartbreaking that they stop doing live, especially because Andy Partridge, who would have thought he'd have stage fright because he is like pure motherfucking fire in this like oh, like, I mean, that's how it happened. That's the that's the devastating thing.

That's what happens. People that seem like natural performers get anxiety and stage fright and something happens and you know, a switch flips. Yeah that was that was Bo Burnham. I mean Bo Burnham literally stopped touring for like almost like I don't know if he's toured yet still it's almost been a decade now because he was like, I just have anxiety about it. I can't do it, And like, yeah, Jesus, if you are having anxiety, what should the rest of us have?

Like well, yeah, I mean you know what I mean, But think about it, Like, that's the way I think about it, because it's like you are the ones who are on stage, like you're subjecting yourself to this intentionally, like Jesus Christ. I would hope that you are able to compartmentalize that a little bit. My god. If you can't, why are you doing that thing where you're in front of people all the time. Like that's pretty rough.

But good on them for being committed to the craft of making stuff and being creative. And thank god, thank God for all of us as music listeners because it's you know, the music's continually great, like with x CC. But yeah, I love I too. Am a fan of live music as well, and I actually wants people like if I love a studio song, I want it to be different live. I don't want it because otherwise I hate him.

I nevericed the people are like, oh I didn't soun like the album, Well, well then why go right stay home with the album? Yeah, save yourself the money and just got to listen to your albums, you know. But but okay, Chris, you open the box and I gotta get all up in that clous know me. Holy shit? Okay, this was one of when I first saw this film.

This was one of the most transcendent. And there's a few things on this in this movie that we're transcend it For me that just blew open my mind. And Klausnomie was definitely definitely one of them doing a song total Eclipse. Never has a nuclear holocaust sounded so enchanting and magical when Klausnobi is singing about it looking like a German expressionist character come to life as a cut beat all I hiddish butler robot. It was a note book, a toy of a fetish butler robot, straight out of Central Casting from Repo the Genetic Opera.

I mean, oh, don't don't, no, no, no, Chris, actually talent's actually talented. I would rather invote Donnie Darko to fucking Klausnobie than revoteed to that cop. I'm sorry. Other, I'll let you talk about the one scene with Hill mostly an ogre from Guinea Pup. That seems good, but that's because it's Bill.

Mostly it's ogre. But I digress. I do, I do love skinny puppyl Anyway, I don't get this, I guess is the problem, Well, it's it's it's that's okay. That's part of the journey, right, That's part of the journey is that it's something so fresh and wholly unique. And I mean, to me, that's me.

I I always get so pumped when I see artists that are just that it's not intentional, because if somebody tries to intentionally be like, oh I'm gonna be weird or whatever, it fails because you're faking the funk. And to quote George Clinton, you fake the funk. You know, this gross like Pinocchio, like you can't do it. Klausnomy is just himself. He's just organically this trained opera singer making new sort of light new wave electronic opera opera.

And it's fantastic. It's fantastic, and I love the dancers. I think he's seeing. It's like an angel hunk. It's a true show.

You get a real show, like it's going to a show. This is not a concert, it's not just a you know, it's not a music before. I mean, it's all of those things, but it's like you really get a full show with Klaus snowmy yes, oh completely, I mean and him alone, like the you know from Yeah, there's the physical presentation, but he he is so magical. Like I once I once wrote an article about where I kind of took the theory of like if if angels, like I want to say, angels don't mean like sort of stereotypical, sort of like a Getty's Babies with wings angels I've done talking about like you know, like when you read like ancient descriptions of angels and they have like eighty sets of eyes and like three heads or something, you know, just like crazy, I'm like, what would they sing like?

And the two singers I thought, like to me that seeing I was like something so ethereal and out of some kind of strange divinity. It's like, what was Klausnomi? And that was King Diamond? Because it's me and that angel, that angel King Diamond, I well, I mean fall I mean maybe it's fallen Angel, but still you know it count I love King Diamond. But but Klausnomy I just find so and and because he's so different.

I mean, you know, Christian Trebot thing's having an eighty sound to me, Klausnomy doesn't sound like anything like that. I mean it is a new way, but he himself is so unique, like his presence, it's some of his music, like the Know Me Song, Like if you're listening to it's just almost like it almost could bring you to tears, Like it's so pure, it's so there's such a purity to his voice. It's so it's so beautiful. And I love this. And he's totally having having fun here, dude, Like you tell he's like enjoying himself.

And there's a really good documentary if you haven't seen it, all about him called I think it's called the Know Me Song. I think. I want to say it's been years I seen it, but he opened once for Twist's Sister, by the way, and I felt bad because even the guys in Twist's Sister were like, we don't know who the fuck book this, and they're like, this guy is an artist. He's obviously this is not our crowd. Like it didn't go well, but that yeah.

That so Chris, you you were just are you just like sort of stunned? Are you still just like what the fuck did I see that? You've explained it? I mean, and looking into it. I mean again, it's like it's like David Bowie but taking it a step further, right, like never breaking character is what it feels like I don't know if that makes sense, Like it's a more intense David Bowie.

Well, Rachel, are you thinking what I'm thinking with the David Boie reference? No? What, because when David Boie was God, I'm such this is where I'm like, like I get to nerd out so hardcore. But when David Bowie was on SNL, he when he did the boys keep swinging. His two backup singers behind him was Klaus Thomy and Joey Arias.

And Joey's still because we sadly lost Claus very early on as a casualty of AIDS. Joey is still with us and does the best billy holiday you will ever hear. Joey Arius is an amazing drag quigen, so fierce. But they're behind David Boy. And David Boy is wearing the Gnomi ghet up, which I love David Boy.

He didn't commit to the makeup. I love David Boy. That outfit belongs in Klausnomi. And it almost hurts me say that because I do. I'm a you know, we're all so many of us are children of David Boy in so many ways.

But but yeah, David Boy not Klaus was most definitely on his radar. Yeah, so that's kind of what I equate it to. That's yeah, it's astute you sensed it. Your spidy senses went off with that, as opposed to your spizz senses as in Athletico Spizz eighty, which I'm betting you had probably never heard of. Chris.

This is. This is a band. This is a deep cut for American so it's kind of a slightly deep cut probably for the UK as well, But Athletico Spiss eighty is. I love this. Where's Captain Kirk.

This is one of my favorite songs in her I love it. Oh my god. The energy Spizz the lead singer, he is a riot. Like he does that tongue thing that a lot of musicians do where it's like like that, but he does it and it's just funny because it's like, oh, he's a like he's a rascal. He's just a rascal as opposed to like when like some metal guys do that and it's just nasty and it's kind of like, okay, dude, like calm down, like guitarists like Steve sex Summers or whatever from Pretty Boy Floyd.

I don't know, if he did that. But if your male name is sex, if you probably have done some kind of gross tongue thing that have made women very uncomfortable in New vicinity. But Spiz is great, and you know the thing is these are true. This is true punk, because this is the guy that you know, if you wanted to really be, like I want to be a rock star, you wouldn't change your band name like eighty times, and he did. Like here the Athletico spis eighty.

I haven't write notes. He it goes also Spiz Energy, Spizzolei, which also sounds like would make a delicious pizza, and my personal favorite, the Spizzles. Well, and there's I feel like there's some other band and I can't remember who it is where there's like some some famous photographs where someone or someone's wearing a Spiz shirt too. Oh god, you know that's talking about Yeah, that sounds familiar, like, oh, it's kind of the weirdest thing. I feel like most people don't necessarily know.

Spiz is so one of those where you're like, oh, he's wearing a Spiz shirt, you know, yeah that this is oh my god, and this is for me, like I love the the studio version of the song. But this is the iconic version of Where's Captain Kirk? Chris? Yeah, Chris, are you changing your name to Chris Bizzoli? Statue?

A terrible for a band? Is? We all know it is? We all know. But that's like, that's like a stereotype of a punk name, you know what I mean.

It's better than jizz athletic jizz Yeah, I mean jizzlesizzlechizsel. I think that would be funnier. Frankly, the giz I don't want. I would not want to see the chisel. That would be hard.

We're about a third of the way know er is breaking us our sanity, but we love it. We love it. Well, hung well, we'll go to something how's this, Chris. We'll go into something more traditional punk. We'll go to hardcore punk.

We'll go into probably arguably one of the most famous punk bands. That's the Dead Kennedy's not the Go Gos. We'll get to the Go Gos. I mean, I in my order, I got, I got a little lucy goosey you wanted. I love Jello Biofra.

I used to have a bumper sticker that said, what would Jello do that bookshelf broke those so that bumpers come on and uh, I love the Dead Kennedy's this is and this is prime DK like Joe, and it actually makes me sad because knowing like I don't know how much like you know about the story. But the band famously tried to or they did sue Jo Jello years ago because I can't remember what Jean's company wanted to use their song Holiday in Cambodia for an ad, which this sounds like a fucking SNL sketch. This does not sound like reality, but it is. And he said no because he has integrity and the rest of the bands, Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. Like as much as and I mean, if you're punk, it doesn't matter.

You could be Ian McKay, like you could be like the most, the guy that has stuck to his values the most or her values the most. Somebody will still call you a poser, sell out. You can't escape it. But Jello, like to his credit, you know, it was like no way and the band wanted that money and so they sued him. So but you get to see a happier times with the DKs here and East Bay Ray as a guitarist like that almost like pseudo Dick Dale tones with punk is so good.

That's a sweet spot. And I would send this performance to anyone as like here watch this and the like it's I don't even know if it's I feel like Jello's voice is less annoying than we know it to be in this performance, because that's the thing, Like I feel like that's what it doesn't stick in mine on my play, you know, because in reality, I can only take so much of his voice. So but it doesn't mean that I don't completely revere and love the Dead Kennedy's you know. And and but this performance is so great like it and it's and it is Joe's intensity as well as that it's just like musically sonically so so he has those late those like all of latex gloves on, yes, sinister, like there's something perverted about those gloves like that.

I become obsessed with the gloves itself, like you know what I'm saying, the gloves, Yeah, are they not crazy? Is that not a weird like there? And I've never seen that color of gloves, Like what are they like trash man gloves? What is he doing? But it's so effective.

It's like no one you know, until you get to lux It's like no one has like vinyl or what you know what I mean, Like there's like he's he's a strangler. It's like he's a you know, there's something. Those are like some kind of trash man strangler glove gloves. Like it's just I don't know, I really like it, like I I do hold it up as one of my favorite And just when he's going down the list of there's no punkin Argentina, Yeah, like down the listening gets to Nebraska, like yeah, wedding his ass off, Yeah, his ass off with strangler trashman gloves the street so good. I mean, those gloves are a choice.

They're a very distinct choice, that's for sure. Versus and I agree with his voice. That podcast project that I worked on, he was part of it, and I edited some of the interview that he did, and he had a very distinct voice, so I knew when it was him talking. I also had the highest audio quality of anybody who worked on the project. It was crisp as all be.

I was like, oh, this guy's this guy must be an audio guy because I didn't know who he was that again, Dead Kennedy's not a band I'm imminently familiar with. I know of Holiday in Cambodia, and that's about it. So I do have another little story though, so speaking, going back to you know, the when I would have been like junior high age or whatever, and even this being like this kind of like a weird, fearful, perverted punk performance, you know, like it's very cool and leaves an impression. But when I was in junior high, there was a there was a small record store in the mall in one of the malls that I would go to, and I used to go and visit Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables before for like two years before I actually bought it because I was I would like scare myself with it, like when I was a little little kid.

I used to there was a Peter in the Wolf record I had that I used to use to scare myself, and then also my mom's Elo record with the Ruby Slippers, Oh god, yeah, that to scare myself. But this was like, you know, I was like twelve or something or and I would just go and visit it and I would and it's like I felt like I wasn't. It's not like its sticker was. This was pre the days when anything I have had something on it, but it just looked so I was just like, there is something in here that like, I'm not supposed to have but I want. And also at the time, even the title of the record, I just thought, I'm like, this is clever.

You know. As a kid, I was just like, what fresh fruit for rotting vegetables? Like, what are they doing? I need to figure out what's going on with this. But it's so funny because I'm not you know, I would watch horror movies.

I had seen everything. I had been exposed to everything by the time I was that age, and yet I was somehow scared of this Dead Kennedy's record. I love that it's always the wee It's always like kind of the slightly weird things that I think scare you when you're a kid, because and this is like embarrassing to me now, but my mom had death leopards pyromania, and that is that part of the beginning of Rock of Ages. When you hear this guy go, that freaked me out. For some reason, I was little, and I like you, I was all like, I watch a lot of horror movies.

I mean fairly liberal like parenting as far as like a lot of movies got to watch and so. But yeah, it was like stuff like that. It'd be like that, like where I'd be like, oh god, it's the Devil. The Devil is very It's like Deaf Leopard album totally. It's like back masking.

You're like, what's he really telling me? Though? My god, yeah, it's they're probably now. It's like they're probably saying Pete Willis come back to the band. It's a Deaf Leopard inch o there, Yes, yeah, okay, something for the that's gonna be our new podcast something.

Oh my god, Oh my god, you know, Oh Jesus Christ. Now you know dude, you mentioned Jello's voice. Uh. The Hard Times once had a headline that cried tepfort, said prank caller, And still he regrets calling Jello pe off for as he's on the phone for five hours. He's just an old school variety right, Like that's just like no nonsense whatsoever at all.

He's a he's a rock conteur. Is like Glenn Danzig. Nah, I don't eat no hot dogs, No, don't what the fuck you remember that one is like a Facebook got hacked and Glenn Danzig was like, so you're talking about eating hot dogs, And then he had to be like, I didn't post that. I don't eat no hot dogs. I don't my god, I miss but it's amazing.

That is just like very no nonsense, Like you're not a whole lot of fun at parties, are you, Cello biafro Je. It's very funny though, He's just eat but you know what I mean. The five hours thing is intentional. It depends though that dude. He he collects weird vinyl and he like he knows his He's got some light, some very fascinate tape.

There's a chapter on on Jella's record collection and incredibly strange records or a music book volume two. I'm sorry, I just deep cut and deep Cut. It's a great book, though. Glenn Danzig thing, because I'll probably never get to share this story again, was he had to clarify that he was hacked on Facebook, says I was hacked. Anything that was posted in the last month was not me.

I don't smoke weed, I don't eat hot dogs, and I definitely don't eat my own come exclamation point. Exclamation point, exclamation point, I find the piece of shit that did this in parentheses, and I will they will pay the ultimate price. And that's posted with a picture of him, like with his arms crossed. The ultimate price is he kind of murdered. The exclamation points proved that he does eat his own that's an Assigedly, somebody doth protest a little too much, Glenn.

It's okay, it's fine. Nobody has a problem with it. But yeah, yeah, I think people have more of a problem with him making movies than they do with him eating his chisels. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I hate myself, but I love myself at the same time.

You know what else I love is the band Magazine. Yes, this is some oh my god. And Chris, had you ever were you familiar with Magazine at all? Did you enjoy it? Yeah?

Oh kay, okay, that's good. That makes me, That makes me happy. I feel like Magazine are one of the most underrated for my money, post punk bands like they, Yeah and because they. Howard Devoto, the late singer had, was an original founding member of the band The Buzzcocks, which are also really great but totally oh my god, classic and magazine. Just I find like just so enigmatic.

There's always an intematic quality to Howard Devoto in general as a performer, Like he doesn't look like anybody else, he doesn't really move like anybody else. The lyrics like are definitely not like anybody else's too. And again, this is a song. I'm surprised guy got picked, like I don't. I don't know.

The thing about this movie with the recordings is every band that they recorded did two to three songs. And and i'd be I'd love to know what some of the other songs were. Some things have surfaced with some of the other bands, but not a lot. I would love to know what the other magazine songs are. But but this is this is great.

And how about that keyboard setup? Like how insane is that it looks almost like there's even like a giant touchtne telephone in there or something like. It's so it's it's like a whole room. It's like a cubicle. Oh god, it is.

Yeah, look up at his office job to go play fifteen keyboards, right, I don't kind of I missed old school since because partially because of the pageantry of the setup, Like I love seeing, like especially like old Roxy music clips where Brian Eno. Yeah, it's like it is, You're right, it's like they totally build like these cubicles of all various machines. It's so cool and yeah, and especially and it's even crazier because Magazine, I mean, weren't It wasn't like they were the Human League. It wasn't like they were nothing but synth which apparently but by the way I read just today, I read a sample from Martin Ware, who was an original member of Human League and went on to be in Heaven seventeen.

Yes that he wrote, we were disappointed because they recorded the Human League and didn't use it. Oh wow, which I'm like, no offense to invisible sex, but come on, like, I'm m sure that it would have had the Human League. Well, someone had posted to that they had some really delusional ideas about themselves. Like so I can't remember what the god I read so much, especially lately, but it was something like that they were saying, no one was really doing synthesizers like they were at that time and it and the person was like, every single band had a synthesizer, what are you talking about? Like it was the age of the synthesizer.

Now you think the like how far up your bottom is your head? If you think you're the you're like revolutionizing keyboards and you know nineteen eighty or whatever, right, well, especially by eighty because I I mean I think there might be some volity to that. And we're talking like early early early Human League where they were having to kind of like create some of those machines. I mean I remember like but but again, a lot of those beans sad that I remember an interview with OMD were Andy McCluskey was talking about how uh and kind of I feel terrible I blink on the name of is it? Oh god of the other guy?

He had such an Andy fangirl. But like where he took a part like an alarm clock or something, it took some of those guts to help create like a like a rough hewn synth. Yeah, I mean that's the beauty of it. Obviously, those types of you know a lot of people built their own stuff, and people still do. Yeah Paul Humphreys, Yes, but but yeah, so but it makes me also wonder, like I wonder if there were other bands recorded that weren't used like yeah, they had to because they're because I mean, like you said, if they owe other bands or just other songs other bands, No, because I know they did other songs, but I'm wondering if there are other bands that didn't because some of them.

Actually I found something where it said that there was someone that didn't get used. Oh man, this is like right along the lines of what we're talking about too. Are you like me where your notes are kind of like if an outsider, if I Sater cames in and they're like, is she looking for like the Shroud of turn Like pretty much exactly, I'm like the Shroud of Tour. What was the one band I found that they said got left out? I was like, very interesting because my notes totally like like like I one time like posted like a sample of my notes on social and an academic said, just like that looks like insanity.

I mean, the amount of things I've thrown on the floor so far that we've already covered is like pretty crazy. I would figure out a way to recycle all of this paper from my notes, because yes, I have a pile of paper at my feet. Oh it's I really wish I could find that, but I guess I can't. It'll, it'll, it'll come up, it'll yeah, let's keep going. Yeah.

So uh so, uh after that, we get the O Pairs, who I love, and I imagine that's kind of another That's the thing is like, there's so many bands that are so are very much like holt at Best over here that I love that we're getting to see it actually forgotten, like almost nobody knows Oh Pairs. I feel like, yeah, and they should because O Pears are so good. And the cool thing is like this band openly openly feminists, and you know, and and that that might not sound like that big of a deal maybe to people now, but back then, even artists like say like Patti Smith, if somebody would ask like, oh, are you a feminist, they you know, would be like, oh, I don't like that term, like because you know, a lot of a lot of female artists didn't.

They felt like they bought into the the sort of myth that oh, it means you hate men or whatever and it's uh, which obviously, you know spoiler alert, it doesn't. It just means you want to be treated like a fucking human being and have the same rights and same autonomy. Also can hate men, but you don't have and you can hate Toddy Dark one by one and two moments with Heather I love it that that and the Strangler trash band Gloves that's gonna live that phrase. I thought about it that much. Yeah, but the other parents cool band, I love come Again.

Like this band, we're all about dealing with tackling in so many of the songs, including this one, sexual politics, gender politics, and and a lot of me is very ahead of their time because a lot of a lot of the bands that you would see that were very openly feminists tended to be a lot more at least in this they were a lot more folky. And that's not a bad thing. But like Halle and Hear, you know, you know, kind of like a lot of the like the Women's Festival kind of prove which I mean bless them, because I mean we needed that. Like it's kind of sad that I you know, you kind of think some more of like I love Patty Smith, but it's like come on, girl late Yeah, but but yeah, so and actually I do know and this might actually segue into a bit of research that I know you have, Rachel, because we we did conspire a little bit.

Chris I hope this is okay. I feel like I feel like you. I feel like the two the two lovely lasses over here of punk energy have like it's like we've interrupted your signal, the O pairs. One of the few American critics to champion them was uh Lester Banks, who, of course is one of my biggest writing heroes and I adore Lester, and unfortunately Lester was edited by one of the worst writers in all of rock and music criticism ever. Go ahead, drum roll, come on show that.

Oh god, I was legit. My stomach turned. Chris, are you familiar with Robert Chriscal? I probably have. I can't believe I haven't like bitched about him on Like with You on one of like a culture casts previously, because I've pitched about him on shows that had nothing to do with rock and roll.

I still like work it. So, Chris, do you know, like imagine like and we've all known this person, like the most boring Kaki, even if they're not wearing khakis. They are the definite the definition of fucking khakis, like like bland ass like white man who knows he's everything Saran wraps his own shit because he is the ship. According to him, all of us takes so brilliant, but he has no soul. He has no soul.

He uh was not I mean no love, no passion. Uh that's Robert Chris Gal. The motherfucker ain't got no soul, is what I'm saying. I can't. But but he reviewed Earn and I was also.

So I was on his site today and it is like ge Geniosity was at Geocity. This is like or like ten years before I even got the internet. Is what this website looks like essentially, which is pretty hilarious. So I did take a screenshot that I sent to Heather because I couldn't believe what it looks like. But the but the line that cracked me up, because I mean, this is it's the album too, So you were Yeah, he reviewed the album, not the movie.

But it says for those who find that discos keep them up past their bedtime, here's an encouraging take on what's been happening. And I just thought, what a nerd he's writing this at nice one. He's saying, if you if you need to go home and go to bed early, if it's too late to stay out at the disco and you don't know what the kids are playing anymore. Listen to this record. Oh my god, that's horrifying.

He is horrifying. He and he does this thing where all of his all of his album reviews, he does grades like he's some fucking teacher, Like, oh, like he reviewed like a Tubes album and gave it like a C. And I'm like, fuck you, like you fucking like it's not And it's not that I'm like so cherished about my takes like I Lester being like, there's plenty of things Lester that's about that I love, but he could do it in a way that was interesting and engaging but also unlike And I think this is something all anybody that's a nonfiction writer, especially critics, should take note, is never be afraid to admit you're wrong or that you've changed your mind. That's one of the things I love the most about Lester's.

He would be like, I mean, he famously panned v MC five and then went back listened to him. He's like, no, this is great. I was totally fucking wrong and owned up to it. And you know that's you know, that's having a heart, that's caring about it, that's being in it for the right reasons, so people really get like they like the critic aspect though you know, it's like you and I don't necessarily it's like we want to ring writers for not just trashing things or whatever, you know, like we want to hear a good take or something interesting even if they don't like it, like something that they can pull out of it or something like the writing and the experience and their thought process is something interesting.

And other people are just like they just want to say ce minus like right fair. Robert Chriscal sucks, I think is the morale of this story. And I'm so glad Rachel that you brought up his banal review. Also, there was a documentary made about him called Rock and Roll Animal, and I just want to find whoever fucking titled that and and give them a good old f session. You know how they're like there's seven seconds, was it seven minutes in heaven?

Like that old makeout game where you go in the closet and like go to town with somebody. Again I never played it, but like go to town, you go in downtown like with somebody. But I'm sorry, I would like whoever been like Robert Chrisk rock and roll animal. I want to do screen therapy in their face for seven minutes, because like, are you shitting me? Rock and roll animal?

My ass? Oh my god, that's like making talk to me about pat boot and call it motherfucking funk sex machine. Like what animal? Would Robert chriscout be a tapeworm? Rock and roll tape work fucking roll, rock and roll round word?

Why would someone give him that name? Why just because of his like length of time in the industry? I don't know. I mean why, why do people do a lot of things? Why would somebody be like, you know, hey, Don Henley, he's a cool guy.

People make bad decisions all the time. Fair Don Henley is a cool guy. Now he is the anti Elvios the quote to invoke the late great Mojoden Nixon. What this has to do with irk? I really cressed, But you know what you mentioned, we might as well skip skip to this because Chris, you eluded this band earlier and I would have to gather This is one of the biggest selling points for the movie for a lot of people, is DEVO.

I think it's got to be like the biggest one, right that them, them and the police are probably like the two right when you say, like, are the two big ones for sure? And the trailer. They had a trailer too that I feel like was very Devo heavy. Am I imagining that No, you're one hundred percent yeah, because I rewatched that earlier today for this and yeah, like Devo Divo, Devo's all up in it, but Divo should be like this is classic, this is like prime and I'm a huge Devo fan me too. Oh my god, I was a Devot kid.

I mean this was so this, Like I've talked to another podcast before. Cheap Trick was one of my first bands I came to pretty organically as a young kid. Ramon's another one. It's like perfect both of those, like perfect pop kid music, you know, and Devo was bizarrely maybe I don't know. It seems natural again that it's kids music to me since I was exposed to it, but my parents had that first record.

I saw them on SNL and this performance is just like it is exactly what you can could expect the way that they look. It's like knowing that they're this Ohio art school band, you know. For first of all, it's like they have almost fifties collegiate where it is like the khakis and the heather gray sweatshirt, but it's like torn and then they're held together with tapes that looks like crossing guard whatever you call it, sash what is and you know, and of course the energy dome. But it's so it's like they just deliver everything that I could have wanted from the time that I was a kid. And I also forget that I am such a that they left such an impression on me.

So there was a k Rock record, Like I said, I used to work at a I used to work at a record store when I was a child for a family friends, and I would I would label the dividers and I would put the records away, and I would unpack records and break down boxes and whatever. And I would do it mainly for industry magazines, like I would get Billboard magazine. I mean, I would get records too. I would be you know, I had credit I could take, you know, I was I'd go home with records. But so two records from that period of time, there was a k Rock record that was a fan you know record, and they had a contest for people to make devo songs and Oh my god, I still have it.

It's called It's Devotees, so it's K Rock Devotees. And there is a version of Jocko Homo that's on a touchtone phone. It's one of my favorite anythings ever recorded. I I love it and this and of course it's like Devotee. It doesn't it almost doesn't get more novelty than Jacko Home on a touchdow phote.

But I was also like doctor Demento and you know, yeah, who is our who are our favorite fishhead guys? Oh, Barnes and Barnes. Yeah, voice, which Heather has written wrote so beautifully about, and it's like Divo almost kind of they almost go in that category, but not really. And then so I had that K Repercred and then the Divo Live record that I think was around that same time, and it's phenomenal so that it's like you get to hear all the songs that you love, you know, from the early what we think of as Divo, you know, and those two records. It's so bizarre that I listened to those so much.

And my roller skating years, which would again be like that seven eight nine, like kind of those young roller skating years or whatever. Whip it came out. Whip it was like the ultimate roller skating jam at the roller rink, you know, and I just felt like I had already been on this, you know, like I had been hip to Divo for a few years, but they were just you know, it's not like I am going to Devo shows now, although you know, I probably should have been, but it's they're just so formative, and I feel like, in a lot of ways opened me up to more already and experimental music that I would listen to or even play later. You know, like they it's so bizarre how and they were so in this, you know, at this point they're so just in sync with each other.

I mean, I know that's part of it or I'm getting too excited, but long where they literally like synchronize hop They're like, yeah, so they're like in a little formation they're doing synchronized hopping. I'm like, I just love it. As opposed to Invisible Sex, which you know, the one is like they're kind of the same thing, you know, but it's like you see how one is like half serious and another one is like so incredibly thought out there's no room for you know errors, oh my god, yes, yeah, Devo and yeah. I think I think part of the appeal to me of this era and this movie so tied to it, is that there are certain artists that if they had emerged in any other time period, they would be firmly underground, like Devo.

Like it's insane that Devo are so well known, Like it's justice because Devo are phenomenal. They're definitely one of my favorite bands ever, and you know, incredibly you know, innovative, visually, sonically ideas, you know, cultural commentators that were so needed of that era, and just as politically relevant as you know, as like say the Dead Kennedy's in my opin a lot of ways, like probably on a little more like subtle, but still it's there, you know, and the ideas are there that it's like this, this performance, I think this is for anybody that just knows them for whip it, like please, you know, seek this out. That's a good thing is all of these clips are individually on YouTube, yes, and you know, and the whole moviees of which I didn't get to know the style of it also really kind of foretells what we would know as a YouTube experience.

Really like how many of us where you start watching a live video and then it wants to give you another one, another one, another one. It's like I've kind of created I've easily created these thirty four band you know, accidental playlist, going down a hole on YouTube, just watching live performances. So it is really cool. Like people would complain about the movie as you know, not really being a documentary you want to talk about something like last Waltz or what you know, or it's not making sense like they these are concert films. They're easier to understand.

Like at the time, there are people saying like, oh, it's not like a real documentary. These are just it's just clips of you know them, different bands playing different shows. But it's it's funny how aligned it is with a modern experience of learning about or consuming live music via videos, you know, clips or video clips of live shows. Right, yeah, oh god, that's brilliant. I never I never thought about it that way, but that's so true.

And it's also like like for those of us like I have like a mixtape brain anyways, so this just like ties into it. Yeah, like so so well, well, I mean again, Divo, I mean I guess. I guess, like if you were to name the big ones, it would probably be the Police, Dead Kennedy's indeed, right, and maybe and the Cramps a thousand percent the Go Gos and right also the Cramps, right, And I think that that, like those five are the big names here. M yeah, and Joan Jet I mean, and Gary numan Ian again if you went a little bit further, but I mean, to your point, Heather, like the fact that Divo is as well known and as it is, and again Mark mothers Bought worked with Disney as recently, like a couple of years ago.

Yeah, yeah, because he does work now as a composer, which is awesome in and of itself. So yeah, Divo, I mean, Devo and the Police made it further than most of these bands did for the most part. Yeah. Well, and even like you know, because I'm glad you mentioned the Go Gos because here we're getting to see them in that cusp period where they weren't signed and they were still kind of like a punk band, because that's the thing, like they were real true punk rock you punk rock musicians, but they're kind of getting a little more polished. But I love, I just I love.

I love the way Belinda Garlile looks here too, like I kind of like, I love the short hair and that dress is super cute. I feel really bad because apparently like she got some shit for being quote unquote chubby, which anybody that shitches about somebody's way like that can can first of all suck it, like you know, of all, but also like what the fuck is wrong with people? You know, like it's in you know, the carl I was awesome and I love this is I think such a great clip of the Go Gos amazing yeah and beauty and the beat would become my most danced to record when it came out, like as it I like still to this day because I think I probably listened to it ten times a day and was like, you know, peak between dancing.

Every song on is a hit and it and this would have been my first glimpse at the Go Gos too. Would have been watching that and it was all women and they sounded great and they looked great, and it was still half punk, so it wasn't it's like super catchy, but it wasn't so polished and even I mean not that the record was so polished, it definitely wasn't punk. It was incredible you know pop music, like really incredible pop music. But it was so it was just really inspirational because they weren't It's like they it wasn't like they kind of all had their own look and they all had their own thing and whether they they seemed proficient, you know, like it like when you end up when you hear interviews and you you know, read stuff and you listen to and whatever, it's like, well, everyone just picked up and learn.

You know. It's like I think Charlotte was the only one that was like raised as a musician. But you know, they sound incredible and they seem like they're having fun. And it's interesting that Jane probably which I feel like she traditionally looks like she's having a tremendous amount of fun, seems the most serious about playing her instrument in this clip. You know, like totally wow, I want to study her playing like it just is it was very exciting that they were an exciting band because when you even when we see jon Jet, which I won't go into a lot, but you know, you think about the Runaways.

I'm trying to think of what bands I would have seen that were females, you know, and it's like the Runaways were still such a put together you know. It's like and obviously just like there's so much I don't even want to think about in the grooming of that band. Yeah, but to look at the Go Gos, it's like, oh my god, these were women that were having fun. They had completely their own style. They came out of that la punk scene that wouldn't have existed without David Bowie to go back to that aspect, you know, and it's just it's really and again, like I mean, you bring up there certain looks were used to people looking a certain way.

Who are women looking a certain way who were on stage, and so they did. They were given some leeway in that respect that they could just be themselves and it was really exciting. I mean, I still I pretty much follow all the Go Gos on social media and I still get really excited for anything that they do. And I'm I was so happy. I hate the Hall of Fame, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but I was happy that they made it in there.

If it's going to exist, you know, So this is a I mean, I would dare say the Go Gos are the second most biggest band that ended up that you can't you don't see it in this clip because it hadn't happened. But I mean they're literally in the rock and roll fame. You know it is because even notoriously can't get voted in, like we want to be fair. The Go Gos song like this is that's like one of the two songs that they're known for too, which pretty much there's only one other band that you can say that about on here, which is the Police, because I would say rock Sane is one of the songs that the Police is known for, which I think it's interesting that those two bands get kind of the opportunity to play the song that they have because I think for the Go Gos, that's like there's a if somebody knows the Go Gos, there's a fifty to fifty shot that they know this song or our lips are sealed right like one or the other or bold, but it's not going to be I don't.

I mean, like again, I don't know what else there is in terms of mainstream appeal for the Go Gos, but those are the two songs of theirs that I know. It's so humbling for me to talk to a person younger than this, what's younger than me about music that I grew up with and then I revere or experience because to me, I'm just like it is not like I think there's ten songs at the go Gos are known for that are not even cuts, like even slightly. You know, there's a couple that are the biggest singles, and then the Police, I feel like you before they even are, like the Huge, the Hugest Band. You have three albums that are incredible that each have songs on them. But you know, I think a lot of people again unfortunately you're talking about people that are over forty conservatively, you know, I think there's I think there's so much there.

So it's interesting. It's interesting to I always wonder like what will somebody know? What does some you know? And and again it's probably because it's like I think of people that only know certain music because it was on the Tony Hawk skateboarding video games, you know, like or or just uh Jackass, you know mini Men, Like like how many people knew men it Men from Jackass theme? Uh?

Just it's I don't know, it's cool. It's always cool to learn about how people know things. So it's good to know that, you know how much twenty years plus younger than me probably will know two Go Go songs, will know songs, you know. I would assume that the police, like most people, would know like three or four of their songs. I would assume some of them are pretty big, right, I would assume, so, okay, a bottle.

But then then again, I'm the person I get so lost in my own hat where I'm like John Otway. Do you know who John Otway is? And performance? Performance? Man?

This is an ars like, yeah, perfectly, I I And this is a true story. I once got caught singing part of the song and the aisleway of a Harp's grocery store, and I turned around and there was a woman who was very conservatively dressed, and she looked horrified, and she walked away from me very fast. Is this an Arkansas only grocery store, Heart Harps? Yeah, and my it's a chain. It's I don't know if there's I think there's some in Oklahoma.

I think maybe just this area. I know. I don't know if you guys even want to talk about John Otway, but I have to because he he does all these summer saults. He's he's a just a nutter and the best possible way. I actually think Cheryl's Going Home is a fucking great song.

He does so many things that I love the fact that his summersault is so ferocious that his belt like tears itself away from his pants, like it rips through the belt loopes amazing. The fact that at one way he picks up a violin only to just throw it like on to the side of the stage like a minute later. I love that. Also on the march of a Salt, you know, like it really it's hard to not get into the song. Yeah, especially when he goes it goes to the tracks like that and it's like, oh yeah, it's just oh, it's so good.

But the fact that this subject would come up for him years later in nineteen ninety, where he wrote a rock opera about Cheryl, I find that fascinating. Did Cheryl have a restraining order against him? I imagine Cheryl had sate and who would give it? I took the note that's it says he gives it his all, a note I wrote regarding this performance. He Oh my, yes, Gusto, it's rife with Gusto.

And he also does something that is that appears elsewhere in this film, and what arguably might be my number one favorite, which is he does the whole thing where he has the mic and his phone, the whole the mic and his phone, the microphone in his mouth right yes, also demonstrated by one of my patron saints, our Lord and Savior Lex interior of the Crab, because holy shit. And and this performance was so iconic for the film that a lot of the poster are for the VHL, like Tally for the VHS release has a it's a close up of Lucks right like, oh my god, And this was so key. I had known about the Cramps before I saw this, and the seeds were firmly planted already that the Cramps are already like one of my favorite bands ever, and this just cemented it.

I mean, he and the songs tear it up, and he tears the damn thing up like holy shit, Like at one point, like when he's got the microphone in his mouth, he's making all these great like just primordial like that's the thing the Cramps are, like, Oh yeah, And it's like the Cramps to be always had that great kind of almost like primordial rock and roll swampy just like just swagger about them. And I swear at what point Ivy looks like she is like, oh god, like because you know, she's like get that out of your mouth. What's kind of like grows out, but she's she's like like a panther russ in those pants. I to this day with kil for air gold on my pants. But and the camera loves you know, like it in a way, like it's so professional.

They are one of the best live bands. They were one of the best live bands. And it in a bizarre way. It's like it looks like a produced video versus a performance, except that's how their performances work, you know, Like I just kept thinking, wow, like he you know, not only does the camera love looks he he knows where it is at all times, you know, and just it's like the the vocalization that you're talking about, that's probably my favorite part. But watching him just rub his pants and it barely looks like they they they look like when they say like a second skin, like they that's a gross expression.

But it's like truly, you can't really tell. It's like it just seems like a part of his body. Those pants, they don't they're so broken into his body and so thin, you know, but they It's like I, on some conscious level, I don't necessarily even love the music of the Cramps. This is sacrilege, but if you want to. But it's like the way they perform is so incredible, Like I don't you know, there's a few songs that stand out for me that I'm always gonna listen to, but I don't will I sit and listen to it?

But do I get into like a Cramps thing where I'm listening to a ton ton of Cramps? No, I don't. I don't you know. That's not one of those bands. It's like Echo and the Body Man his band like that for me, I will listen to, but man, I will listen.

It's like that. The rockabilly ness of the Cramps is like not a genre that I engage in very frequently. But knowing how you know, it's like I'll watch a live performance of them anytime any you know those are those are videos I will watch. Oh yeah, I mean it's it's a tree and this band. Now, I like their Their album date with Elvis is probably one of my favorite albums, like ever of all time, Like it's tattooed in my heart at this point.

But but yeah, I mean, I'm I never got to see them live either in person. Sadly. A late friend of mine got to see them several times and he said there was one show where the ac died and this was a New Orleans in the summer and Lux was so sweaty, like he took off his pump and just poured the sweat out of it on the crowd. And my friend Scott was like, let me Guesteather. You would have been up their front and center.

And I was like rock and roll baptism bitch, like I was, I know it's Grouse, but I love Lux. You know Lux Mei's books. To remember the name, I mean, it's uh yeah. And and what's what's fascinating There was a pawn in this movie though with at the end where they list all the band members and the credits, they list the basis as Kid Congo and anybody that knows what Kid Kongo looks like, you know immediately that is not Kick Congo. It's Julian I remember her actual name, Green Green Snatch was a nom de Cramps given to her by Lex and Ivy.

I've liked, did they not want her in the band for that long? Because that's a terrible green snatch. Well, and she wasn't in the band that long, but I think she's Oh, she's fantastic. And I just found out a few months ago she was in a punk band called The Mad was screaming Mad George the special effects guru and artists. I love him and he's such a really good fucking musician too, So I'm like, holy shit, Like what a world we live in where the Cramps have this like direct connection to fucking screamy bad George, Like it just makes my heart so happy.

Well, I thought she was great, and it was. It's like she wasn't with them very long at all. It's hard to find information. She's not on any of the albums. It sounds like she was just did like like a handful of shows with them and just kind of, you know, quickly was out.

It was replaced by Kid right, but which kay Congo's amazing, Like but yes, another legend, oh my god, like but but yeah, but so in terms because I know, I know we could keep going on and I'm sure I'm sure everybody would love to hear me bitch about you be forty. Oh no, Rachel, I'm sorry. If you love you, I don't give a single shit about you before. Oh thank god, Oh my god. Why they're so good?

Just just like dark. Yeah, I was waiting for performance snow to show up. Jesus, Oh my god. I can't a little bit of a standout for the wrong reason. Hey, I think it's the I think it's arguably probably one of the weakest slain.

I get like the musical wanting to have some musical diversity, and I support that, but it's like we already have steel poles. Yeah right, exactly, yeah, which it's like a very different kind of music, like I don't know, like it's like what are you trying to check a box here or something like I don't understand. Like reggae, it was pretty popular at the time, though, you know, it's like the Oh god, there was one five people that were like, we're into the reggae part of this world. I'm thinking one of the performances and I can't remember one it is now, but you see a girl like crowdserving and she has a best Elector shirt on Oh God sitting into like two Tone and Sting has the beat shirt, and you know, it's like a lot around this time, it was not uncommon to have various reggae ska just white guy bands.

We know Livin Let Die I had a reggae interlude with Paul McCartney. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's wasn't that uncommon. It's like, in a weird way, it makes sense, like it's love to the world music. Is that what it is? Is that what you're alluding to, like all Simon and David Byrne like all being like we're introducing the world to world music, like Lady Smith, Mumbaso, like they already exist before you.

You're just like the white guy in the room pointing at him and say, look, go listen to them. They were a fair amount of these bands though, and I feel like it's kind of reflective of an actual lineup at that time, is that they would throw a scan reggae band. You know, it wasn't uncommon if you have like four or five bands, like the first opener might be a reggae band. I guess I don't consider SCN reggae is super close. But now that you put it that way, Okay, I get it well.

And this didn't really happen so much over here, but in England at this time period, scott like especially like the two tone and and reggae both were huge, like We're a tremendously huge, I mean, and a lot of British bands were definitely, I mean even Boss has a lot of Dove beats, and I mean the Godfathers have god you know, huge reggae fans. But yeah, you be Forty's terrible though. I don't know why we couldn't have had the selector that you mentioned that, Rachel. I would have rather heard the selector because the selector good. You know, the specials are great, like the Beat.

I would have loved to have had the Beat or ip Rank and Roger like you be forty to me have always part of it's that dude's voice. I fucking hate his voice. I can't. It just hits a note in my brain where I just can't. But to me, it's like it's like safe, It's like when what you know, like when, and I mean I've this is and I have I resoarched you'd be forty extimpledly no, so I could I will admit that fully, But it just seems like, oh, here's a safe way to present like music from other cultures to white people, so they're not scared.

It just feels a little like Pat Boonie boon, a little bit like Chris was saying too. You know, it's I think I think Chris is presenting more is like a showcase of like, look at me the great powerful white musician. Yeah, show you what only I could know because I have the money to travel to these places. A word of such things. You love Lady Smith, Black Mombaso as well, guys, Sure, Paul, whatever you say, Paul.

So it's not all that different, you know, I guess where it feels like either either taking advantage or like or appropriation as we would call it, you know today. But it wasn't uncommon. It really wasn't uncommon, but you'd be forty. They were kind of like the They were the only ones that really got on top forty America, you know, like, yeah, here's me American top Tears of Blood. What are we talking about?

Steel Pouls? Where are we at on the list? I don't even know. At this point, I'm gonna say ub forty is still putting out albums as recently as twenty twenty one. Heather, Well, you know, so you know what the flue.

The flu still exists too, Yeah, very much. You should have broken up after three years. I think three years is the perfect length of time for band. Oh. I want to be together so long that we can become classics and tour with other classic bands.

Oh god, yeah, I can't for an oldies a nostalgia package. Yeah, we're a nostalgia act now. Boys. You remember like when they raped the carcass fucking uh deal Diamond with you with Red red Wine. Yeah, and I'm not even a big deal Diamond one that was on the you know that was the radio song that was huge.

That's just a song I know by you Be forty yeah, Iri Irie, Oh my god. Or they they did an Elvis cover for Sliver that the Sharon Stone movie based on the iral. What do I remember this? I'm going back to my conservative language. That's how that made me feel.

That's fair, that's that's so fair in love, right, Chris, Yo, It's just it's like, I don't know, it's like the white person's idealized version of that music. It's like offensive exactly it's peer one offensive as Jello is. This is as inoffensive as he is offensive. I love Jello. They should have just had more Dead Kennedys instead of this, are had a proper band that again, like there's so many like Toots in the may Tolls.

Give them a spot, Come on me, get to give, give, give Totty and John Mayole. I'll take anything over. This is such a weird standard. It's like, did we just did we wander into like Live A all of a sudden? Yes that that super group or Tuty from the Facts of Life and Sean Male for him to band like Live Aid?

But yes, Iform at Live Aid? When were they were they at? Were they all Live Aid? If they weren't, they probably would have had an opportunity to because they were formed in seventy eight. You know you know who was at Live Aid the Power Station with Michael Tabbar.

I just like that's cool, see positivity. It was in Philly. We're on that right now. There are there are a lot of bands that were all adam Ant, supprised were gonna have adam Ant in this movie. I was gonna say the same thing, where's adam Ant and all of this?

Yeah, and the police three times, that's what it is. And invisible sex because apparently somebody had some some incriminating photos of Miles Cokelant and they weren't allowed to show their faces, but they were allowed to be in Oh my god, my god, half of them were allowed to play real guitars. That that was kind terrible, actually a bad you mentioned earlier, Rachel. If we're talking like legendary punk bands X, yeah, looking looking like the you know, grandparents of the scene essentially in this too. You know, it's like so established in such a short period of time.

It feels like because there's another band, what's the what's the other? God? This is really there's so many band cats, so we see yes first, and it's weird because I was like, this is kind of a variation on X, like with the double vocals, you know, and it's I never really thought of it, not that it's a genre. But then you hear X and you're like, X is X. Nobody's X, you know, Yeah, yeah, so I do.

I am glad you mentioned the Alley Cats because I feel like that's a that's an la punk band that I think I've even seen, like interviews with other bands that were like, oh, this is a band that should have been bigger and people should talk about more. They had a lot of respect and I know they did like one album called Nightmare City. I think it's called nightmer City, but yeah, really cool band and yeah x X to me and it's and I love how punk like and a lot of people when they think of punk music, I don't think they think about things like this, of how you'll have like a retro influence in the playing. I mean, because that's the like Billy Zoom, the guitarist I mean has a rocket billy background.

Yeah, and he incorporates that like so beautifully and is also to quote X Scene, I who it's like if if everybody's ever seen a clouda western CeIV X Scene is so adorable. That was just like this is the handsomest man, Like was it just saying, like the handsomest man in rock and roll or something, and they poor John Toe I'm sure is like thanks honey, But but Billy Zoom was just so great and I love I love x X Scene was one of those they gears too. When I got into punk, I was like, man, I want to be like I want to be cool, like she had such a style. Yeah, yeah, I feel like and she would wear kind of like those forties dresses and the house dress kind of stuff and still does to some extent. And when I was in high school, I would find those exact same types of dresses at you know, yard sales and hospital shops and thrift stores or whatever.

But I would I would hand sew them, raise the waist and like chop them off and hem them so they were short. But it was always that type of druss. You know. It's like she had the she could absolutely like you know, rule it, wearing it exactly the way it was, you know, just having this like it looked really comfortable and whatever. It's like I'd get the same dresses and just modify them.

But I think I was very influenced by her style. I'm probably still influenced by her style. Oh god, same same legends, total total legends, and oh my god, I can't believe you know, you know, it's so much the process. Like one of my favorite bands ever though they weren't at the time. That are right before the X clip is the Flesh Tone.

I was gonna say, I think of you when I think of them, like I automatically thought like, well, I want to hear what Heather has to say about flesh Tones. Oh my god, aka the flesh Tone is as I call them, because I love them so much that I have like a silly nickname for them. This is like baby flesh Tone, like holy, I mean especially you know, because like that's a band. See Chris, this is a good counter to you be forty because the flesh Tones are still together and they did they released an album in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one in that range, so they're still very much active and they're in I like you befoty. They rock and they're good and they just get better with these actually, so it was kind of cool to see them like and they're like like god, Keith's string the guitarist looks like he's sixteen here, like they're babies, like Baby flesh Tone and CEEBG like you can you can practically see the smoke and the air like it's yeah, and it's so cool because of course we don't have CBGB's anymore like and so I love this.

I don't think this is like one of their better songs or even like great performances as a band. That is just like a house on fire live. But I think it's I think it's good. It's cool to see them. I kind of the president picked shadow line.

Like again, this is kind of one of this case is where I'd like to know what the other two songs were because the Fleshoones have some barn Stormer songs, so when they break out live, it's just like a party, like if you go on YouTube, they're like that for like French TV and like eighty five they did their song hex Breaker Super Vindicators. It's like a mash up and they're literally there. They leave the studio and they're still playing like it's it's like a riot or something. It's so cool. But but this is I I enjoy.

I think it's charming. It's I feel like it's weirdly kind of one of the more low key clips in the film, which is yeah, I agree, it's kind of two. It's too low key. Yeah, it shouldn't. It shouldn't be as dismissable as it is.

Like it's kind of a dismissable selection and it has nothing to do with them as a band. Same Yeah, yeah, that's maybe it was the best of their you know if it was the best of their three songs or whatever, though you know, might have been an off night. Who knows very much works better than you'd be forty. But oh my god. I mean again, though, I think to Rachel's point, there's a lot of this that's very high energy.

And I mean I'm not saying everybody had to be high energy, but if you're not high energy, you are kind of lost in this a little bit because intensity. Yeah, yeah, that too, or that either I mean either one, like you could have one or the other. And I think make a case that it's just yeah, I've never heard of them before, but I like the song. M m oh oh Chris to quote Pinhead, I have such sights to show you a here's Blessedones. I I like the song.

I mean again, I'm sure it's not their best song, so oh my god. Yeah, that's like I don't think the songs that they pick for the Police are the best songs or Divo like I wouldn't and again like because in a lot of these cases those songs haven't been recorded yet well and with Divo, I mean, if they had busted out like gut Feeling, Slash, Slap your Mammy, like that would have probably kind of ruined some of the other clips too, so I wonder if that's kind of the thing. Uncontrollable Urge is incredible though. And oh yeah, and Gates of Steel is one of my faves and their live album, so I mean, I think that was already that could have been an option too. And it's like Gates of Steel, I feel like I project things onto that song that don't even exist in it.

I feel like it's one of my most motivational songs to listen to or like where I feel like I've really gotten through some stuff. I don't know what the hell they actually mean by it. I don't know what it's supposed to, but to me, it's just like, I guess I live in some gates of Steel in my mind. I have my whole I'm just like back away the gates up step. Yeah, it's very you know, I don't know.

For some reason, it's a really motivational song to me, So devo tremendous songwriters. This is the thing. It's like, I think they were just genuinely too good to not become known. Oh god, well, and it Gates of Steel, and that's this kind of imagery, like because they use like factory imagery and a lot of their and the whole thing is I always I see that song being sirntual because to me it almost sounds like my interpretation is like the battle cry of a worker that you know, it's like you're wanting, you want to be respected as a human. You're not just another cog in the machine.

You're not just I mean, because think about how the workforce is treated in this country in general, in a capitalist country, where we're all just fodder. We're all just little worker bees, and we're not we're not given humanity. Also, the ape regards as tail like that. Who you know, it's like we're the apes, you know. It's like, tell us what to do with the factory, otherwise we're just going to be staring at our tails.

Yeah, exactly exactly, but code for something else. Something looks interior And oh my god, well, Diva could be a little they could definitely be some naughty, saucy, saucy akron uncontrollable urge. Isn't that right? Oh? Man?

I thought that's fair. I don't I don't have a retort for that. It's true. What's next? What?

Oh? My god. I I you know, there's a few bands we I feel like we skipped because probably because some of them just kind of like it's not that they're bad in some okay, like I love pair Ubu, but the pair uber Clip to me, it's it's almost kind of like the same as the Fleshows, where you have a really great band where I mean it's good, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's just kind of there in a weird way good. I mean, I think it's and it's not necessarily the exact style that they would be called most known for. It.

It's early, yeah, you know so, but it's also funny. I mean, I guess like famously the lead singer and oh Dave Thomas, right, he and he was a Jehoah's witness. Oh shit, I didn't know that. I'm pretty sure. No.

No, I mean that shouldn't just be throwing stuff out like that. No, No, I honestly it would. I think he was because I was thinking, like, you know, a couple of different people in different bands, I was like, oh, they look like Mormon missionaries, and I was like, oh, Dave Thomas was an actual this rock star, you know, but they the beauty too of Perubu. It's like another Ohio band. And they look like I was like, they look like junior high school science teachers.

And then I was like, oh, they look like junior high school substitute science teachers. Who and the drummer is like their long haired friend music teacher. Oh. I loved it. I liked the performance.

I actually really liked that performance. But I wouldn't hold it up as like here, this is Perubu, you know, exactly the same same. It's I'm glad that they're there because I mean, it's parab it's always great to have home. It's like it's already an experimental in a in a form that we're not given, you know, like they like in a weird way, I almost I don't want I know, I've got talking Heads fans here, and I obviously said my main issue is with David Byrne. But in a weird way, when I see that Perubu, it's like that it's like it's creeping into the territory of Like that's almost like talking Heads for me, Like I mean in a good way, like it again that type of that space.

For some reason, it's like something about the music that they make is in that similar space, and I would almost choose that, you know, sneaking up at me on me. Lately, I've really I'm accidentally hearing talking Head songs and I'm like, shit, am I a huge Talking Heads fan? And I just haven't told myself yet for forty years. And I get it. I get it with with that with a band that's in this there's it's very close to what David Byrne was doing, like at the end of the talking Heads, the more experimentally kind of I don't know, there's some talking Head songs that can be played on the radio and there are some that really can't be.

And I would say that this kind of leans further in that direction, which is not I mean, some people don't like the Beatles after a certain point, right, They're like, I'm not into this shit anymore, Like give me that skiffle and nothing else? And is that what it's called like that that? No, it is just I'm sure that word I think of spinal tapp. I'm sorry, that's the truth, right, Like, my mom doesn't like the Beatles, like pretty much like White Album, past the White Album. She's not really into it, which I get like so like Talking Heads kind of had a similar moment where it's like, hey, it's kind of David Byrne, you're kind of pushing things the way you want to go.

This band is a little stranger than that, for sure. I think overall it's a little bit more performative. Yeah, yeah, no, it's a I mean in para Ubu like from the get go just definitely have always been kind of like one of those like bands that were I think deemed kind of weird and just weird and already enough to and I mean rightfully so get acclaim from like a lot of critics music writers because they're good and they're interesting. But you know, that's a band that you kind of do they were never going to quite ever probably make like have big mainstream success because they like some bands can be already and weird but still have it have a few songs that are palatable enough for the mainstream and still work.

But also you couple that with the fact that in the eighties, there's a lot of stuff that became hits in the eighties that I don't think would have been hits in any other decade. I mean, actually Walla Voodoo, like Mexican radio. I don't think that would be a hit now. I don't think fucking Taco covering putting on the Ritz pretty good though. That's a good example.

Yeah, is it hits on forty five or whatever. I mean there's all kinds Oh my god, this boarded star. Yeah. Yeah, there's always weird made it to radio that it just doesn't happen. I mean, radio doesn't exist on the same level.

But still like that type of music, no one, no one's getting a you know, eight million streams of Taco over the weekend unless it's you know, becomes a talk video or that's to say. That's kind of what dictates it now is whether or not it's a TikTok video, right, that could easily come back quite honestly, that could there could be some sort of a ritz Cracker challenge. Yeah, I'm back on TikTok Tik Taco. I'm TikTok picko Taco. Oh my god, Yes, that's anybody listening.

That's a big TikTok creator, you know what to do? Why we what if Taco was on this was in urga music work, I'm it would not shock better of him than than the members which we take. That's just a ski that's a I skip it every time. Oh my god, that's just a I can't stand that song. It's not a good band, it's sound members them and you be forty because I'm not even a big steel Polese fan, but I respect it, right, And that's it's shocking.

It's veristic, is in a you know, a clan hood, and you're just like wow, like it really brings the point across. I was going to bring up steel poles because I think it's a great it's a great performance for that visual too, and they they're they're clearly great at what they do. And it's that like, I mean, is it the most political you know? I mean, how you're how are you going to get more political than that? Even if you're Jellabiofera, you know what I mean, Yeah, if you're you know, that's just like so completely in your face and and you know, in this country, it's just like ridiculous.

Yeah, you're just wow. Three quarters of the song he has that on and you're just like, you know, and that's the name of the song. How can you you know, It's like it's as in your face as it could possibly get. Yeah, exactly. And that's that's kind of the like sort of the sad.

I mean, it's it's sad. But you know, one of the things that makes a lot of the political music still very much relevant is that all of the issues are pretty much the same. Like some of the names might be different, but like we haven't really changed all that much now than how we were in the eighties. So I like trying to take lemons and make lemonade. So the lemonade is hey, kids, you could still watch urga music war and enjoy it and get to see Jim skaatefish.

Yeah, this is this would be in my top five favorite performance of this whole film is side of the Cross, the the And that's the thing because Jim, like he grew up with a lot of as you could probably get a lot of Catholicism, and you know, had a very troubled childhood, was intensely bull lead and you know, because he's brilliant and this is what you do. This is what art is for. Like art is to exercise all of those like the trauma and the demons and make some great art out of it. And you have this song that at parts, you know, to me it's like I mentioned zappro but to me, parts that almost sound like a Frank's Zappa composition. Like the players are ace, like every single player, Like the bass is legit, the dramas, the drummings phenomenal, the guitar works excellent, and I don't I've never seen a singer or performer like Jim Skatefish ever, and I love like I love Barbie Goodrich, who was also like sometimes she was a singer and a musician, Like she's great.

He's got the incense, That's what I was gonna say. I like, I mean, he really leaned hard into the Catholic references, obviously, and I do. I do like that because I think of like, I mean, who the band ghost does that? You know, yeah, it is such a even if you don't know the Catholic Church, it's like you you probably know the image of swinging the incense around and you know, so it really is. But it's so gothic, which lots of Catholic imagery is.

I think, you know, it's pretty dark, and there's a you know, a dark history and even modern history, but that is such a it's a very cool effect. I think the incense same and and I love the fact that, like, to me, the Song of Us has like like the way its song almost sounds like a sales pitch, Like it's totally just kind of almost sort of like this commentary on just how religion is. It's it's a commodity, and it's used to it's a commodity to kind of help manipulate people, especially when it's used wrong, especially when it's used more for purposes of money and power than anything else. And I really, I really feel like the song hammers home that point, but in such a clever way. And and I just I love it.

I feel like I feel bad because I feel like, I mean, greated. It helped Jim get signed, it helps Skafish get signed. But I feel like Iris in some ways kind of like just be like, oh, you know, look at this wacky guy. And they even had like somebody dressed up in England like a like a grotesque caricature of Jim and his huge nose, and it's like and there's something obviously raw, like his nose is am like he's amazing kind of striking looking human, which is so cool, and it's you know, it kind of makes me feel bad because it's like, well, how about just like how somebody's an interesting artist, Like let's just not celebrate that. But I don't know, uh to quote to quote my husband when and Ugly still went in, So I guess at least he got of got the album and all of this stuff.

He's been remastering and getting his albums out on band camp, which is which is cool. I'm glad he got the rights back since IRS. You know, I think there's some bands that are just kind of languishing because IRIS Records dissolved years ago. Yeah, yeah, but I guess before I don't know, Chris, do you have any any thoughts, feelings, poetics? I was gonna say, you know, how do we want to wrap this up?

Because like we are technically at the end sort of, but how did we want to give our final thoughts on this? That's a great question. Do you want to do like, oh, I'm sorry, Rachel, Oh, I just say we could do like what are what are our favorite and least favorite? Yeah, just do that. So starting with you, Rachel, what is your standout performance?

And then the one that maybe, uh, you're not the biggest fan of, And we'll see if we all have the same answer to one of them. It's hard for me to say one but also say one that I really really loved that we didn't talk about as Gang of four. Oh you'd send it the Army. Yes, I'm sorry. I mean it's it's like a it's a.

John King makes it incredibly horny by being so weird on the side of this, like all the way on the side of the stage where it almost looks like that it was like a pipe on the side of the case that he's doing this extra but it looks like a like a blackjack or something, you know what I mean, Like totally yeah, there's and he's just wearing all black like that, and I'm just like, what are we you know, like, what's going on here? It's a it's a but it works perfectly, but it adds to it, makes it a different type of performance. Again, it doesn't just feel like it adds a little bit of theatrics to it, but it intensifies what the song itself would be. I think it's a tremendous but my absolute number one XTC.

I love it and and I can't I cannot say enough how wonderful the Gary Newman is. That is like nothing else him him pulling up in that like moon you know, whatever you call it, like this moon car with that head. It's just and he has like a red leather suit almost like you know Eddie Murphy raar or something. And you can see that just the his eyeliners like glowing in the stage. So I know I've gone too far.

But XDC number one, probably Gary Numan number two, Gang of four number three, and and the Go Gos, I can't like, yeah, it's accordant to me. I have to say the go Gos. The stuff that I didn't you know, we said. The stuff that we said is the stuff that's just was, uh what what here's me? What we cripping on so badly?

That was just like incredibly boring. Didn't need to be there. The members, the members, the members. But but then I will say, if I'm kicking someone off, that's not just like this, you know, utterly forgettable kicking off invisible sex. Also I liked we didn't talk about we didn't talk about uh, I guess we didn't talk about it.

I don't have to talk about it. Well, like I feel like we I know there's something that we didn't that we didn't cover I think says more about them than anything else could. That's what. Okay, here's the thing. I kind of like the serf Punks to listen, you know, just to like pop in a song in a mixx or something like that, Like it's funny, and they definitely are a novelty.

There was just a sault happening. It was obscene. Their performance is obscene. I'm not a pear clutcher, but they're not good enough to just be like it was just like, yes, some sort of sexual assault and just using nudity, even if that's what you would see at the beach or whatever. Like the only thing cool was a little bit of ocean trash on the stage.

Otherwise I say cut them out too. What about you, Heather? So my favorites, Oh God, And this is something where it's so hard because I think there's there's more greatness than there is badness. But I so Skayfish, the Craymps, Wall of Voodoo, Gary Newman, God, Gary Newman xCC Klaus Snomi. Though pairs I basically seventy percent, seventy eighth sent.

If I had had my Drathers it was forced to pick one, I would I probably say, oh the Cramps, I mean worst. Yeah. Actually I was gonna go into surf punks, and I just kept getting mad thinking about it because like the song itself is, you're right, so it's fine. I'm not a big fan of it, even though I do love surf music and punk, but they're so browie and then you have that whole thing for that poor girl and it's just like, oh, you're a let's expose her boob, like you know what, guys fuck off Like that's not punk rock and it's just like some totally like dirt bag, subtech nugent behavior. It's not welcome.

It's that welcome. And you're right. The music's not good enough either, like you know, we're not getting stranglehold the surf rock version from these guys. So so so yeah them for me, them the members and UB forty, I would cut out. But if somebody wanted to cut out on physical sex, I wouldn't argue with it because I skip pass that one half the time too.

But I do like the girls that go like that, like plus them, I like them, But I don't know what about you, Chris, especially with this being a like kind of new new frontier for you a little bit, Well, I kind of it kind of be fair to say, unfair to say the things that I already liked coming into it, So I tried to stay away from the things I already liked coming into it in terms of the things I was drawn to so m But then it's not kind of fair because most of the things I had at least heard of, go with your gut, just got flushdowns were pretty good. Yeah, up there. But then again, like you've kind of already mentioned Dead Kennedy's XDC, Oingo Boingo hasn't really gotten mentioned a whole lot, so I mentioned Oingo Boingo again.

The I mean, the police are great. I mean there's a reason they're here. It's not undeserved for sure. And I mean Devo is great, but yeah, I mean the surf punks thing is, Yeah, it's real bad. It's the worst thing on this which is why we thankfully spend like no time on it, because it's fucking weird.

More than anything else. It's a weird thing, Like I don't get it, Like of all the things, I wouldn't expect that in this Yeah, well, especially because it's like there's so many bands that that that that could have been used in their place, like the motels. The Motels were like in that weird cusp area where they weren't really punk, but they played punk venues and the Motels were a good band. I don't know, there's a lot of a lot of bands. Would anybody better than the surf punks?

Yeah? Black Flag? Yeah? Where was Black Flag? Yeah?

So yeah, but uh oh well but yeah, it's but it's okay history, you know, when it comes down to it, more people, I think most people would get past anyway. I mean, how many people talk about surf punks. Nobody the surf punks. Yeah, if they're still around. The surf punks like our boys, Our boys were terrible.

Yeah, like it's like kind of indefensible, Like the music's fine, but they're like what they're doing on stage is pretty indefensible. So yeah, and anybody listen hasn't seen it, Like, don't think you're gonna see some great gg Allen shit. It's just stupid frat boy bullshit. You know, it's not even a what's the other guy? Oh, the one who's El Duce.

It's not even l Duce love. Oh god. Suburbia. I watched Suburbia recently, and it's like the scene with the girl where they like, you know, rip all her clothes off or whatever. At the show.

It's like I had been shocking and terrible. I hate it and I've basically had the I felt the same watching surf Punks now, you know where I'm just like, ugh, like, oh it was never it was not a great look at any point, and now it's just like, why, Yeah, they're around for twelve years, that's it. Good Lord, who wanted that much? Who was asking one of that members? One of the members Dad's was stepfather was Gavin McLeod of Michael's.

Oh god, I know one of them is the nephew of dar Old Dragon aka the Captain of Captain and tanil Oh. That's Jesus, okay, so their neo babies the band exactly. They should all be me too. I had a pretty good job me doing themselves, Frank, I have to God, Gavin mcclouds treated women better than that. Please.

On the Love Boat, he was about love. I didn't see any love in that before. No love. Oh my god. We especially did an episode longer than the movie, which is a real thing.

Too much. No, this is the first time it's happened in a very long time. Really, Yeah, I think he could chop a bunch out of this. No, I don't do that. I don't chop things out of episodes.

What the hell, I'm not implying anything. Yeah, I wouldn't cut people out of their shows. Who would do such a thing, Heather, I want I'm gonna I'm gonna go to Rachel first and then you final thoughts on UH music. I think someone should do a massive Blu ray release where they put in include the songs it didn't get we didn't see the first time. Let's see the second and third songs.

Let's see bands that were cut out, Let's get commentary, let's talk to everyone who's still alive. I'd like to see that, and I would like to see it then tour theaters, and I'd like to see screenings of it again because I think it's really incredible, and I think it is it was for telling of our YouTube future, and I think it's much more current with how we experience live music than we could have ever imagined. I'll go next, Heather, and I'll let you bring up the rear as it were. Since this was for your month, I agree. If they're going to do something like Stop Making Sense in theaters and A twenty four is going to throw their entire weight behind that, why not.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that it's even still hard to find, and I mean again hard to find physically. Again it is on Vimeo, which ain't great, but it's better than nothing. It's good. I mean it's good. There are some kind of low spots, but every album is not, you know, gonna every track on every album's not going to resonate with you.

And just like you know, anything else, there are songs and Stop Making Sense. I'm not a huge fan of that. I will skip if I feel like it, and you know, I get it with this as well. So it is kind of surprising that this doesn't have a bigger release or something in the works for it, given again the kind of profile of most of the bands involved. So Heather, I will kick it to you at the end.

Oh my goodness. Well, first of all, Chris, thank you for doing this, and I hope you don't regret it. No, okay, I said, I did not know how we were going to talk about a movie that had like all of these things in it, and this is kind of what I imagine. So I was like, if that's what it is, that has to be what it is, Like, that's it. Just there's no way to easily talk about these kinds of things.

Yeah, I uh, first of all, everything Rachel said, one hundred percent agree, and I will add to that if somebody is able to do that. Rachel's a great writer. Have heard do the essay. Bam, You're welcome. Boutique labels.

It also boutique labels. Get Chris on some commentaries, because Chris is amazing. Listen to the culture cast. Okay, But as far as plugging the movie, you know what, if you love, if you love music, if you are a cultural like historian, if you're just somebody that's like, hey, I want to hear something I've never heard before, or you only know like the hits, check this out. It's a great concert film.

It's well shot, it's well edited. There's a great mix of bands, and for every band you don't like, I promise you you're gonna hear double that, triple, quadruple that more that. Even if you don't love every single one, you'll appreciate a lot of it. And you'll be all the richer for it. So so yeah, erka music war, Yeah, circulate it, talk about it and who knows, maybe we can get we can get that Blu Ray that desperately needs to be out.

Stranger things have happened, really so I mean again, like just given the amount of people that are involved in this, that are still around, staying, is still around, still kicking it. So I don't know, I'm kind of shocked that this doesn't have a better release. So until the next time the three of us do something. Rachel, where can people find the things that you work on? Uh?

Nowhere? No, just I'm on Instagram, ur acch to underscore, Underscore MCP. I'm working on a book right now. I've been working on it for a year and some change and it's getting very close to being finished, so we'll probably be out in a year. It's about Robert Hazard, this famous Philly rock star in famous in Philly rockstar and songwriter who actually wrote the song.

Girls just want to have fun and most people don't realize that. So I'm hard at work on a book. In the meantime, you can pester me on Instagram, where I post all kinds of music and movie and personal stuff. And I always say, go to Heather's Patreon, good to HEATHER'SNK tree, like to promote my friend Heather. Oh my god, what about you, Heather?

Do you want to promote your own stuff? Yeah? Like yeah, now, well, actually I recently got to be featured next to Rachel. We both got to be the inaugural guests on the very first episode of the new podcast Wendy City Bally Who hosted by Adam Carston, and that was so much fun. We got to talk about Gimme Shelter and the guitar film Sympathy for the Devil aka is it one plus one?

Yeah, Rach, I don't know what I'm like. I instantly I'm always like, this is how bad I am with math? You put that in your title and be like like seventy front of the Devil whatever. Yeah, the guitared one. But that was a lot of fun.

We get to talk more about music films, but also just again kind of actually like this cultural you know, how certain films have that cultural zite geist moment, and especially Give Me Sheltered. There's definitely a lot of that, So everybody please go listen to that and otherwise you can find me over. As Rachel said, graciously, I'm right, thank you lanetree dot com for it. Slash Mondoheather. My Patreon is Mondoheather.

Find me on Twitter Instagram under at Mondo Heather. I have a website. It's called Mondo Heather. But yes, and in the meantime, listen to the Culture Cast and anything Chris does because Chris is one of the best hosts out there. He is amazing.

Yay, Chris, I try. Yeah. The things I work on can be found at Weirdingwaymedia dot com, where there are things that I do not host, like the award winning and Webby nominated Eighties TV ladies. If you haven't voted in the Webbies for their best Indie podcast, please go do that now. It will hopefully get them into first place, because they're in second place right now.

So yeah, we we have a podcast on the network nominated for a Webby Award. We also have the Projection Booth Filmentaries podcast, Twisted and Uncorked a whole bunch of stuff. But the only thing you can't find on the Internet without a paywall is ranking on Bond, which is a Patreon exclusive ten dollars and MORGANTSI access to once a month. Mike White Richard had him and I talk about James Bond and it's pretty entertaining if the episode so far or any indication, so that's where you can go for all of that. Heather, thank you so much for joining me and Rachel for tagging along as well, or you know, rounding out the cast as it were, of this evening's episode.

My pleasure, and as always, we'll catch on the next episode.