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Episodes 16, 17 and 18. And I would say 16 is definitely the. Climax of the show and 17 and 18 are the denouement of the show the main focus like they were talking about on rlm we also watched that we just finished watching the two episodes of red letter media where they talk about twin peaks the return and talking about how the main focus of this season really is getting evil coop back to the black lodge yeah And so that happens in episode 16. Finally. 17 and 18 are all about somehow reversing Laura's fate.

Yeah. Which, yeah. Well, we'll talk about. We'll get there. In episode 16, we start with Evil, Evil, Evil Coop.

Evil. Evil Skiber Coop. Evil Richard Horn on their way to find some of the coordinates that he has been given. And I kind of didn't realize, and we've talked about the coordinates and talked about them last time too. I mean, he knows where Twin Peaks is.

We guessed it was probably specifically Jack Rabbit's Palace, which it is. We were right about that. But also he had been given so many different coordinates that... He wasn't sure, apparently, which ones would be the correct ones. Diane had supplied him with coordinates.

I'm assuming that the other ones were like the things off of Major Briggs' arm, which I think are the ones that Diane gives him. And then he got some from Ray. And I don't really recall where those originated from. And another set. Two of the coordinates of the three that he received matched.

And so they go there first. Yeah. Because as Richard says, well, I would check out those first because those are probably the right ones. Well, they're not. Because of that, which with Evil Coop probably realizing this, he sends Richard up to inspect that first set of coordinates.

Yeah. And he explodes. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. He gets electrocuted and then it keeps going and going. And then he kind of blows up.

It's kind of a cool little effect. I liked him dying. We've talked about the effects on here, kind of hit and miss, but that scene was done really well. Yeah, I liked it. I liked that glowing.

Yeah, that was my favorite scene. Electrocution inside of him. Yeah. When he finally like explodes, you see the little like light go out too. It's cool.

In the meantime, Jerry has stumbled upon the same location. They're in Montana. Yeah, they're like not in anywhere near. Which is a ways away from Washington. I mean, it's a couple states over depending on how you go, but it's either through Idaho and Wyoming or Idaho and whatever.

How he ended up on foot out there, don't know. Just kept walking. But he sees this happen through the wrong end of a pair of binoculars that he has. He's a little freak out. He calls him bad.

I assume that he did not recognize his nephew in that scenario being the one that blew up. But anyway, he is there. He ends up at the police station later on and Ben gets called to come and get him because he's confused and completely naked. So he disrobed at some point after this happened. I have no idea.

Maybe he's still high. Like, you know. Oh, I'm sure he is. Very bad trip for him. Evil Coop, when Richard explodes, says goodbye, son.

Mm-hmm. I was harboring that secret this whole time because I knew that he was the product of Evil Coop raping Audrey in the hospital. Yeah, it's pretty terrible, which I think I turned to you and I was like, well, when they started talking about Evil Coop, well, you know, what they thought at the time was normal Cooper going into her hospital room in Twin Peaks and then coming out and leaving. I was like, huh, I wonder if that's going to be important. Well, it was in a terrible way, but yeah.

And that's why he's so evil and awful. I was just going to say that. That explains why Richard Horne is the way he is. Yeah. He doesn't have a great dad, necessarily, either.

Or, you know, stepfather. Whatever you want to call Ben Horne. Oh, Ben, yeah. Yeah. No, not Charlie.

I mean, grandfather. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, I was like, stepdad. Would be Charlie. But he's so sleepy, so it doesn't really matter, does it?

If Charlie and Audrey were even together back, I mean, who knows when they got together, but yeah, I guess that would technically be his stepdad once they got married. But yeah. Also, yeah. Grandfather wise, kind of anyone wise, because it doesn't really seem like, I think we already talked about this, that he and his wife are obviously separated and she's with Johnny. Johnny.

I was like, what's his name? Ben and I forget what her name is, but they're no longer, we talked about that on that episode. And we've got a lot of, People and separate story arcs converging at the Jones house in this episode. Again, why it feels like a climax. The Las Vegas branch of the FBI show up there because they're still searching for Dougie.

Chantel and Hutch finally make it there. And the Mitchum brothers are there. And Doug and Janie and Sonny Jim are not there because Dougie, quote unquote, is in a coma in the hospital. After his fork incident in the previous batch of episodes. So Janie E and Sunny Jim are obviously there and Bushnell Mullins, his boss, is there.

And then the Mitchum brothers do show up there with gifts because Dougie's going to be hungry when he wakes up or it's for everybody else. But they bring finger sandwiches and all this stuff. They bring sandwiches, yeah. I love it. I love it.

They're like, we have to treat them. Yeah, they head to the Jones house to stock up their house, too, because like they say, you know, no one's going to be up for cooking when you're dealing with this kind of situation. Yeah. Very nice guys. Very nice guys.

Very generous. I mean, they can be. They got that $ 30 million check. They're very nice. A bunch of crap happens at the Jones's house because Chantel and Hutch tick off one of their neighbors.

Yeah. In a parking dispute and gun violence ensues. A lot of gun violence. They get blown away by this guy. Oh, heck yeah.

She, it's just, that scene killed me because Chantal's so quick to immediately just like be evil about it. She's like, you guys are in our driveway. And I think he's the other guys. I cannot remember his name. Hutch.

Hutch is like, no, we're not like, we're not even in it. And then she's already cursing and already yelling. And it's just like, okay. Well, she is definitely, of the two, kind of the most volatile or the more volatile of the two. For sure.

And they're eating, are they eating Cheetos? Is that what they were eating? She is pissed off because it's her last bag of Cheetos. So she's already upset, man. She just needed somebody else to push her over.

So the final hit out on Dougie fails and... the FBI is parked down the street. So they see all of this and then they arrest the guy that blows them away. And that's kind of the end of all of that. Well, they're still involved in the story, but the hit on Dougie and everything. And I mean, Dougie story is wrapping up here because Coop finally wakes up.

Finally. So it's episode 16 and he came back in three days. Yeah. Well, and I mean, you could say going along with the clues from the White Lodge 3 and 15. Yeah, technically 15.

He wakes up pretty quickly from his coma. Yeah. He's like, ugh. Mike, one-armed Mike from the Red Room shows up in the hospital room for him to see. And he's like, do you have your memory back?

And he's like, 100%. Yeah, and he's like, finally. Finally. Mike says what everybody who had been watching the show up until this point said. Finally.

Finally. I think that is completely obvious that they put that finally in there for everybody. Yeah. They knew that people would be bothered by this. Oh, yeah.

Ringing along for 16 episodes of not seeing the agent Dale Cooper that we remembered. So he's up and at him and already just like barking out orders to people and telling Bushnell what to do. He's on it immediately. Gordon happens to call and all this other stuff. And he's got to now deal with this family that he's acquired in the meantime.

Which he seems to still like kind of have the Dougie-ish memories, because he knows who they are. He's like, yeah. Well, they're his memories, though, but he does retain what has happened to him since he came back. Janie E. catches on pretty quickly. This is not, I mean, she says that, you're not Dougie.

Yeah, because Dougie was never once like Dale. Right. But everybody else just notices, oh, now he's speaking in complete sentences. Oh, he's not a little weirdo anymore. This electricity keeps popping up.

One of the Mitchums is like, oh, electricity. You know, that's why he's back to being normal now. They don't know him any differently, really, than what he was before. But they do notice that he is articulating himself. Bushnell notices.

Everybody notices that this guy can actually talk and is functioning and is on the go. Pretty peppy too, yeah. He's up and around. But Janie is the one that actually realizes this is not the same person. This is not the Dougie that I married.

This is not my loser husband. So Gordon, or Coop sets up, you know, he's got this in with the Mitchum brothers and he knows that they can get him to Twin Peaks. And so he sets all that up, leaves this message with Bushnell in case Gordon calls. We're on the way. We're going to start converging into Twin Peaks, which is what we talked about on the last episode.

Like how is everybody going to get there? Yeah. I like how nice Dale is to Janie and Sunny Jim. He's like, yes. Like he gives them his little talk in that I guess they're in the casino.

They're not in the airport or anything. You know, he gives them the little talk and he's like, it's okay, I'll be back. I'll be back. I like it. I mean, it's Dale.

He's always been nice to everybody. But it's nice to see that he's still like, hey, you guys are kind of my family, so I'll figure it out. Yeah, he grew to really care about it. He says, you filled my heart with so much joy. You've made my heart so full.

He doesn't want to see them left to their own devices now because of this weird stuff that's been happening. He's going to take care of them. He gives Mike a lock of his hair and says, make another one. Mike's like, okay. Let's do it right this time, though, you know.

Let's not send another Dougie. And we do see that culminate. This other Tulpa shows up at their front door and everybody's happy. And you know that he's going to be more like the Agent Dale Cooper and less like Dougie Jones. And definitely not like Evil Coop.

Yeah, oh my gosh. That would be horrible. And kind of like how they talked about on that one of the Red Letter Media episodes is that This Tulpa will also retain memories of the family, too. It's not like just sending in another infant Dougie Jones to the house. Yeah, which is good, because then Janie doesn't have to deal with all that anymore.

Yeah, so he drives them to the casino. He gets a gun from Bushnell. He knows. He's like, I'll take that. 38 you're packing in your holster on the left side of your jacket, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

Those FBI instincts of his. Yeah, his spidey sense. Yeah, his detection senses knows that. So he does get a gun from Bushnell. He has one of the sandwiches, too, right when he wakes up.

He's starving. He's starving when he wakes up, so he eats sandwiches. And then they get to the airport, and we hear Laura's theme for only a few times in the show, which was, okay, he's back. It's all coming together. He's back.

Yeah, we're going back to Twin Peaks. We get the culmination of the... Diane story? Yeah, that's what I would say. She gets that last text from Evil Coop, and I guess that's...

It's a smiley face, and then capital A-L-L, and I don't know if that means, like, kill them all, I'm assuming? Yeah, I guess, because in the ensuing scenes, we kind of see that she tries to, so I guess that's what it means? Because I think when it happened to me, you were both just like, what'd that mean? Like, what does that. Yeah, I didn't get what his text meant at the time.

Just thinking about it now, that's what she sets off to do because of the text. And she's upset about it in a way. Yeah. The text that she gets doesn't sit right. She doesn't get it and go, oh, goody, you know, I finally get to do this.

Yay, I'm so excited. Yeah, no, she's not very happy about, like, anything really. And she's emotional on the way there. Mm-hmm. And I don't think it's because she knows she's going to tell them the story finally about what happened that night that evil Coop showed up.

But that could be part of it because she's obviously very emotional during her telling of that story. Could be both. Could just be the killing thing. She's kind of jumping from Tulpa Diane to real Diane and this as well and having mixed feelings about all of it. But she does tell them finally what Gordon had already obviously figured out.

Yeah. And then pulls out the gun that she's been packing in her purse and says before that, I'm in the sheriff's office. I'm not me. Yes. And then gets killed.

Yes. And yeets on out of the room like they tend to do. She flies away. She doesn't really fade out. She totally just like right out the room.

That's happened before, though. We've seen people jettison up. Even Laura's done that a few times in the Red Room. So that's a detail that's been throughout all of this. That's not a new thing.

But she also then reverts back into a seed. So that Tulpa's gone. Her head pops off, you know, all the usual stuff. Yeah, the usual stuff. I do like when she gets in there and they cut to her sitting in the chair.

I think Mike is like, you're a Tulpa. And she's like, I know. I'm surprised she didn't throw in an FU Mike into that scene. I thought she was going to say that. And I was kind of sad.

That would have been pretty funny, actually. That would have been perfect. But yeah, she's like, I know. And then she turns back into the seed or whatever. Yeah.

So that Diane is gone. I believe we had already mentioned that. Or if we hadn't mentioned it on our recordings, I think we had talked about together that she is not the real Diane. Yeah, definitely not. Gordon Albert had already kind of figured that out.

And then Tammy's like, oh, that was an actual Tulpa. Yeah, you did it, Tammy. He figured it out. I love it, though, because she's just like, oh, they're real. That was a real one.

It's like, yes. The Las Vegas FBI finally ends up at the hospital, and they call Gordon, and then Gordon gets on the phone with Bushnell, and that leads them, it's a little convoluted, but that leads them to pack up and go to Twin Peaks as well. So, again, like we've said, everybody's converging on the town. The end of this episode is also the culmination of Audrey's story. So they finally leave the damn house and get to the roadhouse.

Eddie Vedder is playing an acoustic song in the roadhouse for some reason. Strange. Audrey still looks very, like, concerned all the time. Charlie's so sleepy still. It's already late and I'm getting sleepy.

But they have made it out of the house. She just looks very concerned still. Yeah, she's still anxious. Yeah, that hasn't lifted from her character at all, even leaving the house. I was just going to say about Eddie Vedder that apparently he is friends with Laura Dern, and so she got him on the show.

That's so funny, actually. I mean, he's... kind of well known in the Seattle music scene so it kind of makes sense to having a Washington State guy on the show but anyway yeah I see Audrey does her dance. Yeah very interesting scene because they announce it they're like this Audrey song Audrey's dance Audrey's dance everyone's confused she's confused and then she kind of just like locks in I guess It doesn't. Well, is everyone confused, though? Because they clear the...

That's true. That's true. She's confused. Everyone else kind of knows what's happening. Yeah, they leave a little area for her.

Her and Charlie are confused, maybe. But I mean, everybody clears the dance floor and lets her go. And then they're all swaying to the music. That's true. I don't know.

Seems like they were prepared for this. They knew it was going to happen. Yeah. So she does a recall back to original season, Audrey dancing in the double art diner to that music. Yeah.

Fun little scene. Yeah. Isn't that in the very first, that's the pilot episode that she does that, right? I think so. Yeah.

It's one of the very first couple of episodes, if not the pilot. It goes on for quite a bit longer than it does on the original show. Yeah. And she's really into it. And then, of course, another fight breaks out because of another woman being out with a man that's not her husband.

Which, like, we know this is a Twin Peaks usual. It's just so funny every time it happens. Like, all these people in Twin Peaks, they can't not go after married people. Step out on their spouses. yeah i don't know what that is about but it's kind of funny that you know james likes renee who's married uh gerson's hooking up with steven who's married i don't All this ins and outs. That was half of what the original show was about.

Everybody. Everybody. It's like the only part of that primetime soap opera aspect of the original show that you get in this version of the show. Really? That's what I was going to say.

I'm like, that is one of the only things that's like the exact same as the original show or the first two seasons is that they still have people cheating on each other. It keeps being brought up. It breaks Audrey out of her trance. Trance, yeah. Then you get this hard cut to really tight shot of her in a bright white room talking into a mirror.

She's wearing white. Her hair is straight. It looks like modern, not her kind of usual. Yeah, just tied back. And she doesn't look like she's wearing any makeup.

Doesn't know who she is. Yeah, it kind of reminded me of The Substance. Funnily enough, that like hard cut to her looking in the mirror, I was like, oh, this reminds me of something. And I thought about it a little more and I was like, it's kind of like the substance, like all the white in the mirror and stuff like that. I doubt that there's like a total complete connection from that since it's one shot from the show.

But I was just like, oh, that's kind of like an interesting framing, I guess, of that scene. I don't know why. And I don't know if it's because I've seen... behind the scenes stuff of that room for some reason when i see that shot i think of her being in an insane asylum yeah well she wouldn't have a mirror if she was like you know i'm thinking of the white she's. In a white padded room she wouldn't have right right yeah. I don't know there's something i've seen something and it's not the clip that they show on the red letter media of thing where it's like her on set because that's not a white room she's in the white clothes that's not a white whited out.

Room no I definitely see what the like institutionalized yeah aspect of that. Scene because it's very bright and very white. It's like sterile kind of. So when I see stuff like that that's what I think of the padded room yeah that would also seem kind of maybe a little bit harsh commentary on Cheryl and Finn yeah. I'm gonna put your character in a psychiatric ward.

Like you, like she's Sherilyn Finn there. Like we've been saying this whole time, this is the meta part of this show. It's the fourth wall breaking of the show because is she Audrey or is she Sherilyn Finn? Yeah. I don't know.

That would be kind of harsh. You're like, you know what? And I'm going to put you in this padded room. And it could just be a bathroom because that's like one of those mirrors you find in a bathroom so you can do your makeup and do close-up stuff on your face. I don't know.

Just interesting little culmination of Audrey's plot, too. I liked it, though. I kind of thought her stuff was very fun. All her meta weirdness. I still think that she's not really playing Audrey Horn in this.

I definitely think it has something to do with that whole... Whatever happened, there are multiple stories about abandonment and all that. So I don't know how much of any of that is true. Yeah. It does seem like a commentary on it one way or the other.

Also, I just think the Billy stuff that is maybe Billy Zane is just like funny. It's a silly inclusion if that's what they were actually trying to do and they just didn't pick the name. Yeah, that might be a stretch. It's kind of fun. Yeah, but Billy might also be the guy that's in the jail cell.

Yeah. We kind of speculated last time. I don't know. I'm not putting that out of the realm of possibility for sure. It could be either.

I liked the weird meta stuff. It's just a fun inclusion for Twin Peaks specifically. Because sometimes, you know, meta stuff can get annoying. It's very vague. Mm-hmm.

It's up for interpretation, I think, because it's like, well, it could still be her. It could be Audrey, the character from the show. Yeah. Just having a rough, a lot of the characters, old characters from the show are having a rough time. Yeah.

In modern day Twin Peaks. So that's, again, not out of the realm of possibility. So who knows? Thank you. I said you've gone soft in your old age.

Not where it counts, buddy. I jumped ahead a little bit on that episode 16 discussion because... It wasn't until this episode that Gordon talks to Bushnell and they get the scoop on Cooper going to Twin Peaks. But they do mention in this whole scene where they're talking about Judy, this ultimate evil, that Ray Monroe supplied the FBI with coordinates as well. And I'm assuming...

That's because Ray had been talking with Jeffries? Or maybe Jeffries told him to give it to the FBI? It's just another one of those weird late game inclusions. Like additions, yeah. Because I'm like, Ray Monroe?

Are they talking about Ray Evil Coops Ray? Evil Coops Ray. Because he did have coordinates. Yeah, he did. Why would he give them to the FBI?

I don't know. But he was also in communication with Philip Jeffries. So I don't know. Interesting. Yeah, just a little inclusion here.

But yeah, I have no idea. That leads to the call from the LV, the Las Vegas branch to Gordon to talking to Bushnell. Bushnell mentions that it's 253 in Vegas or Gordon does. Somebody does mention it's 253 again. And then what does Cole say?

How the hell is this? Yeah. We were. What does that mean? Which like, yeah, it's the point across.

I mean, how the hell is this? How the hell is any of this? Yeah. In the jail, Chad escapes. He has to wait for face guy, repeat man, fall asleep until he does it.

And I'm kind of thinking, really? Why do you got to wait for him to fall asleep? James and Nato and Freddy are all awake. There's other people in there. And like James is like, I wouldn't say friends with Bobby, but I'm like, he could tattle on you.

Well, they could all just scream. Hey, this guy's trying to leave. Yeah. He does get out, gets to his locker and gets a gun. Mm hmm.

As soon as he comes where the jail cells are, Andy shows up. Mm-hmm. Think, oh, crap, Chad's going to shoot Andy. Oh. But Freddy punches the door, his jail cell door, and it hits Chad.

Yeah, like right in the head. Andy's able to handcuff him and take care of that. Ah, sheesh. Obviously, Freddy is like a good Samaritan or whatever, so he was staying in his cell. But I was like, why didn't he do that earlier?

Like, you could have just left. Yeah. Yeah. But he's a good man. Yeah, I think he is an agent of good.

Obviously, this is why the firemen sent him on this quest, right? Yeah, exactly. They don't pick people just by random, you know, to do these things. Evil Coop makes his way to Jack Rabbit's palace. Gets sucked up into the vortex.

Doesn't really meet with the firemen, but he's in that realm. In a cage. It's his face. His face is in a cage. Major Briggs' head is also floating in there with him.

Right. Not in a cage. Which it had been before. You know, it's been floating in numerous places. He's been in a lot of places, yeah.

For some reason, they transport him right in front of the sheriff's office. Yeah. He goes through that little gadget that put the Laura Palmer orb into Washington. The, like, tube thing. In one of the early episodes.

Yeah. Yeah. And so that dumps him in right in front of the sheriff's office. Andy sees him, thinks it's the real Coop. He goes along with it.

He's able to pull this off because as we realize, they retain these memories from their original host or whatever you want to call it. Yeah. He plays it off for a while, gets introduced to the new Sheriff Truman, recognizes Andy, Lucy, and Hawk, and is welcomed and sitting in Sheriff Truman's office. Yeah. His huge office is.

Yeah, it's very, very large office space. It's like really big. It's just really big so that this climax is going to happen. Scene can play out, yeah. But I love it.

Because like the first like wide shot, which is I think later in this episode, where you can see everyone and it's just like a very long room. Very big room, which I didn't really get that idea of earlier because it's mostly just him behind his desk. Yeah. Working on his fancy computer desk. Yes, his awesome computer.

While this is happening and Truman is trying to figure out why Cooper is there and he gets a phone call that Lucy patches through. Yeah. On line two, the light that's blinking. She's so helpful. She's so helpful.

And I'm glad she wasn't immediately just like, well, she does realize she gets the call and. Right. Normal Cooper is like, hey, it's me. And she's like, but she doesn't give it away. We don't hear that conversation, right?

That's true. Yeah. But she doesn't go and run into the office and is like, that's not him or whatever. She just patches the call through. And says, you need to take this call.

Yeah, you need to take this. Doesn't say the real Cooper's on the phone. But we understand what's happening here because we know the real Coop is going to call or is calling. We don't hear that. But then.

When Sheriff Truman gets on the phone, then we do. He doesn't let it out either. Good job. Evil Coop kind of appears to know what's going on. Yeah, I think he has a little bit of an inkling.

Truman's staying very stoic and not giving anything away. Yeah, he just takes the phone call like it's a normal, nothing's happening. They all get it. They all get that this is the real Coop. They get the point across.

I like that this Cooper doesn't, again, know this story. sheriff truman because it's not harry right so he gets introduced to him as well and they still keep it everything is under wraps and it's still not being given away for evil cooper to figure out but. He does because he does pull his gun yeah and what happens then who takes evil coop. Out lucy she walks in and shoots him which also funny scene we noticed that sheriff truman's hat like Flips up a little bit. Evil Coop fires. So I'm assuming that, like, there is no bullet hole in his hat.

But I just assume that his bullet went by his head or goes through his hat or something because it lifts up. It totally does. Comically lifts up. It's awesome. Lucy shoots him.

And kills him. Like, takes him out. And he's still on the phone with real Coop. So Coop is like, do not touch the body. Yeah, don't go anywhere near it.

They pull up pretty much... Immediately after that, him and the Mitchell brothers and Candy and the girls. I know, the whole crew. It's so great that the girls are with them too. Chad's been taken care of.

And in the meantime, James, Freddy and Nato had all been moved up to the sheriff's office or are shortly thereafter because this is all conspiring at the same time. And that's why everybody's in that room and why it's so huge. Coop then puts the ring, the Owl Cave ring on Evil Coop's finger. Or does that happen after the orb comes out? Maybe it happens after, but anyway, the same kind of thing happens.

The woodsman show up to try. I think it happens after. I think it's once everything's said and done. Okay. So the woodsman show up and try to revive him and the orb comes out.

Freddy with his superhuman strength. His glove. Yes. Takes care of the orb. Takes a while, but he does.

He does it. Destroy the orb. And he says something about that being like his destiny. Yeah. That was his destiny.

I mean, it was. That's why he was sent here. Yeah, that's why he was there. With the glove. And then Coop puts the ring on Evil Coop's finger and that yeets him back to the Black Lodge.

He's vanquished and so is Bob, finally, because his orb is destroyed. Doesn't get rid of all the evil, though. I mean, there's still a lot of evil in the world. Yeah, not everything is Bob. So that's like basically done.

At least, like, the Bob and Evil Coop thing is. Right. The key, the room key, finally shows back up. I was like, did we forget about this? Like, why didn't Truman tell anybody?

Yeah. When he talked to Gordon, Dale Cooper brings it up. He's like, you have a key or somehow. Or maybe Truman was like, here, I've got this key. You probably want it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it plays a part in this because the other thing that returns is the humming in the basement of the Great Northern. That key is going to open the door where this humming has been happening. I was a little confused by that, though. I mean, I know hotel keys are sort of weird.

A master key would open all of the doors in the Great Northern, but this is not room 315 that he's using the key in. Yeah. I don't know, maybe it's just like, it's a magic key, who knows. But before he gets the key also, or maybe same time, Nato, who's been there too... She turns into Diane.

Fully just Diane, except this Diane, which is the real one, has red hair. Her red bob. Oh, yeah. I guess it is red. Pink, red.

It's a color. Yeah, maybe. It's whatever color you want it to be. Bobby shows up. Yeah.

Coop talks to him about his dad. Tells him they knew all this was going to happen. Thanks to him, things have fallen into place and things like that. That culminates as well. Diane is back.

And I'm thinking, is Nato? No, it would be like Nadee would be an anagram of Diane, but Nato isn't. But it's kind of close. It's one letter off. It's close.

It's almost there. Diano? Diano. That's awesome. Diano.

Yeah, I just thought about that. I was like, wait a minute. Her name has almost all the same letters. Almost there. Yeah.

I don't know what that means. I still think about the first Nato encounter with like the maybe Ronette. in there too with her strange stuff because also we literally never see her again like we see nato again but we never see maybe. Ronette american girl she's called in the credits and so when dale goes into that room he tastes i was so i'm like what the hell does that mean and i thought this was another meta reference he's like i'll see you at the curtain call and i'm like you know when the show wraps what are you talking about yeah. What are you talking about Well, especially because he's saying it to Gordon, too. So you're like, is it?

Well, I thought he was saying it specifically to Diane. But I mean, Gordon was there. They're both there. Yeah, they're both there. But I it feels like he was saying it to Diane because they still have stuff to do.

And we will see the curtain call later on when they do meet back up. But when he said it, I was like, that's weird. And so this door basically leads to the same room above the convenience store where is above a convenience store that evil coop went through he goes through the same building through the same courtyard goes and talks to jeffrey's they talk about judy which jeffrey said he wasn't gonna do and yeah i was. Literally just about to say that he said i don't want we're not gonna talk about judy well what the heck happened why are we talking. About her now He also mentions, one of them mentions the date, February 23rd, 1989.

That is the day that Laura died. So we're bringing that in. He says something weird about it being, I was going to say slimy, but I don't think that's the right word. He's the teapot, but he's also kind of in it, the way he talks when he's talking with Cooper. He says something like, it made me laugh, but of course now I can't remember it.

He says something about it being wet or something inside of. where he was does it say sticky it's sticky in here. Something it's it's gross it's just kind of like a gross visual it was either slimy or sticky. Or wet I'll have to look that up on that episode. And find out it just made me laugh because we've been just saying that he was the teapot itself but his dialogue makes it sound like he's. Just inside of it he's inside of that thing.

Yeah that makes sense finding stuff in the teapot so the teapot's probably its own freaking like dimension too right right Oh, geez. It's slippery in here. Well, this sends him back, sends Cooper back to the night that Laura Palmer dies. He's in the woods with her little scene from Fire Walk With Me with James in the forest riding around on his bike. And they merge those two worlds together.

Cooper is in that world and they use that shot of her screaming. apparently seen something in the woods it's cool it's like a comedy. Gag yeah yeah it like totally is but i really liked how that scene and the next one are done because that's old footage yeah and he's just in the woods i love him. He's there now and you know trying to change the past yeah it's in black and white though now and which is helpful for a number of reasons yeah kind of matching modern film with the real film that they shot fire walk with me on and also hiding the fact that we've got a very aged actress now yeah playing laura palmer they're smart about that just put her in a wig keep her at a distance yeah i. Really like that was the other part that i liked that they weren't like what to de-age her like no let's just keep her like With her hair kind of in her face, she's in the dark and she's in the background, not up in the foreground with Dale.

It's good. It's done well. She's at least an arm's length away the whole time. Yeah. Because when they hold hands, it's like their hands are both outstretched.

Yeah. She's always behind him and being shot over the shoulder like that. There may be a slight bit of de-aging on her face or just like heavy makeup. Yeah. But it's not like, you know... the star wars stuff yeah.

It's not that he's there to save her and pull her out of the woods but isn't. Successful uh yeah it doesn't really i don't know if he should have done. This well he hears the clicking noise that the fireman plays for him and she's gone yeah she disappears he loses his grip with her and she is no longer there. Yeah, she fully disappears. But he has stopped her from meeting up with Ronette.

Leo and Jacques. Jacques Renault. Yeah. So they don't go to the cabin. Leland doesn't come and get them and take them to the train car.

So apparently none of that happens, but she does still disappear. Yeah. Is this when we get the beach shot? We see Laura's body on the beach, but it gets erased tooled out of there. Great effect.

Fantastic effect. Yeah, it just gets erased. Photoshop, erase tool. Be-de-de-de-de. We see Josie and the Packards at their house, like at the opening of the original Twin Peaks, but Pete gets to go on his way and spend his day fishing like he had.

Been planning on. He goes fishing, yeah. So that has changed, but changed how? Changed for the better? I don't know.

I don't know. Not that like you ever want Laura to die. Obviously. That's what I was wondering through this whole, like last half of this episode. And then episode 18, where I was just like, should Coop have followed through with this?

And so it goes. And so it goes. And the book says we may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us. So, That's what we get into in the final episode is Laura disappearing. New Dougie showing up.

I think, again, I jumped ahead, but. We just mentioned that we didn't actually talk about it. The new Dougie shows up at the house at the Joneses and Janie and Sonny Jim are ecstatic. He's very happy to be there. Yeah, this little happy Dougie.

He looks more like Dale Dougie than actual Topa Dougie. He's not going to be chubby, weird hair Dougie. Weird hair. He's like fit, Dale Dougie, yeah. Janie's going to be happy because he looks more like new Dougie, et cetera, et cetera.

And Sonny Jim's going to be happy because he liked playing with his dad. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure he'll be a fantastic father and husband. Yeah. Mike, In the red room says, is it future or is it past?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. This is the big question at the end of this show for me. Yeah. The arm slash tree reappears.

Mm-hmm. Laura whispers in Coop's ear again, and he's like, not happy with what she says, it appears. Yeah. And then she yeets out of there again. Yeah.

He tends to do. Her favorite move. Coop sees Leland, who says, find Laura. So if Laura didn't die that night, what happened to her? Dale emerges once again from the red room at that curtain spot.

So this is the curtain call. And I'm like, oh, duh. Yeah. i know you're like oh that's what they meant and i was like yeah um which i did the same thing as you i was like haha is this a funny joke about the show ending and then he comes out of the curtains and i was like oh and. That one spot that so many people have seen one of the entrances to. The red room has a name and now i don't oh it's something grove i think Oh, cool.

And Diane is there waiting for him. So she met him at the curtain call. Good job, Diane. They start their drive to wherever. Somewhere.

To do with this 430 miles. And I'm assuming it's 430 miles away from Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

You could end up in a lot of places, though. 400. Yeah, I don't know. Are we going back to Montana? That seems like maybe roughly the kind of mileage that we're talking about.

Or Idaho? Something like still close. Right. Because 430 miles from Washington State, you can only go... So far.

Three directions to the east, to the south, and to the southeast, really. You can't go up, you're going into Canada. I don't think they're going into Canada. So anyway, it's arid kind of, not desert, but dry land that they end up in. And we've seen this stuff before.

And Coop has seen it in, I think when he was in either the White Lodge or the Red Room at some point when the curtains open up. He sees that landscape. So anyway, they get to that point. Diane isn't so sure about it because she's nervous about what's going to happen when they cross that 430 miles. Coop gets out and kind of checks it out.

And of course there's power lines everywhere and you hear the buzzing of the power lines pretty strongly. I think his thought is we have to do this. Yeah. It definitely seems like he's like on a mission or needs to do something. Right.

Which is why he insists, basically. Because she's apprehensive about it. He's like, no, we have to. Everything from this point on, I feel like he thinks he has to do to, whatever, reverse this Laura Palmer situation, I guess. So they cross that line.

It immediately turns into night and there's all this flashing lights in the car, etc., etc. And something has changed. For sure. Yeah. They end up at a motel.

He gets a room. Diane is in the car and she sees a doppelganger. Yeah, it's just her. And it's not even her with white hair. Yeah, it's her with like red hair.

Same outfit, I think. Same outfit. Yeah. That was a creepy little scene because when it first because he goes into the The motel or whatever, and this doppelganger, it's not like she walks out of the same area. She walks out from behind one of the drive-in pillars.

Yeah. And just stands there. It's pretty creepy. It is. It's unnerving.

Freaky visuals. Seeing your doppelganger would be, right? I mean, that's sort of the lore of them. If you see your doppelganger, then something bad is going to happen. That's going to happen.

They're not good omens. Right. And they can't exist in this. Whatever. There's lots of different lore about doppelgangers and tulpas and things like that.

Yes. They go through the act that they have to, quote unquote, go through again. Yeah, have to. Which we won't get into. And it's not pleasant at all.

No. I feel like even before we watched the red letter media thing, which I have seen before, but I don't remember everything you talk about, but I'm like, yeah, well, I mean, he looks like evil coop, right? They have the same face. So why would this be pleasant for her? Yeah.

It doesn't really seem pleasant for either of them, but it's something that they have to do. It seems very much like a duty almost. Right. A task rather than, you know. The RLM guys say to dry out Judy, or that's one of the theories.

I don't know. I don't know. I have not. Yeah, I have no idea, really. I'm just like.

Regardless, Diane is gone the next morning and leaves a note, but it's addressed to Richard and signed from Linda. We got the clicking noise in the forest, which the firemen foretold. Richard and Linda, firemen foretold. 430, firemen foretold. All this stuff that happens that, what, third episode?

Or second episode, maybe? It's one of the first, yeah. Yeah. Where Coop is with the firemen. He's not come through as Dougie yet, which I think is the third episode.

Anyway, all that stuff is happening now. Yeah, the prophecy. And so who in the hell are Richard and Linda? She's gone and he seems very different now. Yeah, I think it was at this point.

Or when he starts driving again that I said out loud, I was like, he's talking like Evil Coop. He's acting different. He's talking in that slow measured, not as ominous, but the slowness because Agent Dale Cooper is not. He's pretty quick and like. Also kind of like a deeper voice or like cadence to it as well that Dale doesn't really have.

Right. The thing that I've noticed, I was paying attention this time because I've only... I think I've watched the last two episodes, not as much as episode eight, but those I think I have watched... more than just the one or two times because there's these theories that like you can play them simultaneously and they match up some weird way i don't i'm not something i'm interested in doing or not even know how to do but i watched them out of curiosity a couple of times and i'm like he doesn't get in the same car when he comes out right because. They park up uh right next to the building and then he gets i think diane took the car at least that's what i. Thought Cleo is 100% correct here, and I didn't even think about that or hear her say this while we were recording.

I still don't know what car Coop is getting in. Why is there an FBI car there? Anyway, on with the show. And it's an old car. Yeah.

It's an old car that they pull up in. Yeah. And it's a new car, like an FBI car. Mm-hmm. That he leaves in, new car, parked in a different spot.

And I'm like, what the heck does that imply? Yeah. So he is just driving. I don't think he knows where he's going. I don't think so, no.

But he notices on his drive a diner called Judy's. Oh, okay. And is guided to pull over and go in there. I mean, something leads him there because when he gets in there, he asks if there's another waitress there. What would prompt him to ask that?

To me, it's because this girl that's here does not look like Laura Palmer. Yeah, it's not who he's looking for. He is looking for Laura Palmer. Yeah. She mentions that there is, and he gets to play, or he acts the same way as Cooper when he disarms and takes care of...

These three jerks that are harassing the waitress and dispatches with them quickly and efficiently. But his whole manner, like she asks him if he wants coffee, he doesn't answer. Yeah, he's very strange. He doesn't seem to enjoy the coffee like Cooper does. Yeah, definitely like not all there, I guess.

He is not acting like the Cooper from the original or even the Cooper that emerged from the coma. Yeah, which is very different. Agent Cooper and him putting the guns in the deep fryer. You know, I'm like, and he's like, I don't know if this might set these bullets off. And I'm kind of thinking, I don't know that the real agent Dale Cooper would do that.

I mean, he has like a regard for like, The character has a regard for like, I don't know, other people and like surroundings and stuff. So I'm like, I don't think quote unquote real Coop would have put the guns in the oil. Right. Or take the clips out and dispose of the guns in there. Cause that's just metal and plastic.

That's fine. Yeah. Take out the clips, take out the bullets from a revolver and discard them a different way. Yeah. It's just, it's something's odd.

Something's off for sure. But he is very determined, though, to find who he thinks is Laura Palmer. That's his only concern at this point. So he tells that waitress, give me the other waitress's address. This is official business or whatever.

And she's kind of like, okay. And this is also, I didn't say this out loud, but I was like, I was thinking about Mulholland Drive and, you know, our weird time loop, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was just like, this is so weird. I was like, is this just evil Coop? Trying to find Laura, and it's all a big thing going back to how the third season starts.

But that was just a weird idea in my head. Because I was like, this is just so not normal, Coop. That I was like, did Evil Cooper come back? And is it just weird now? No, because Evil Coop disappeared early on in this episode.

He's on fire, and then he turns back into a seed. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He did. He gone. I don't know.

I was just like... This is so strange. Is he Richard? Whoever Richard is. Yeah.

Richard is the name of Evil Coop's evil son. So, you know, is that connected? I don't know. Richard and Linda. The only thing I think of is Richard and Linda Thompson, who were a group in the 70s.

I have one of their songs plays all the time on my car. I want to see the bright lights tonight. I love that song. Richard and Linda Thompson. That's funny.

I don't know if that's a nod to them or not. I want to see the bright light tonight. So he goes to this address. The woman there looks like Laura Palmer, but she says her name is Carrie Page. Yes.

He's not dissuaded by that. He's like, I mean, you know, we're dealing with tulpas and people that lose their memory and things. So this isn't out of the norm necessarily that she was Laura. And what I did was, changed so much that she's a different person or whatever could possibly happen in this case by him reversing the murder of Laura Palmer. Who knows what that did?

Yeah. Is it future or is it past? Literally. Something's not right with this gal and she's. She's confused.

He also asks, are your parents Sarah and Leland? And she doesn't seem to react to the name Leland, but when he says Sarah, she kind of is like, Sarah? Almost like she knows that name, or at least the name Sarah Palmer. It's weird. It's just weird.

Yeah, that's a good point, actually. He does bring those names up. You could kind of think, well, someone who went through this would probably block Leland's name out of their brain. Yeah. Maybe not Sarah's.

Sarah's. Is she Laura with amnesia or is it because of this change that happened? And she's not really Laura because Laura, in some timeline, did die on the beach. Not die on the beach, but ended up on the beach. But....

She is in trouble somehow. Something's going on because she is very nervous and anxious as well. And he's like offering to get her out of there. And that's appealing to whoever this person is. He takes that offer.

Because people are after her. And then... Cooper, whoever, whatever version of Cooper this is, walks in and there's a freaking dead body in a chair with his brains blown out. Just sitting there. So she fully invites him.

She's like, come on in. Yeah. As if there isn't a body literally a couple of feet from the door. It's not like it's in a hidden room. He's right there.

Right there. There's a fly buzzing around the bullet hole in his head or something. Yeah, it's just nasty looking. And it's just like, and there's like a, not a machine gun, but like a. Yeah, like a AK-47.

Yeah. Heavy duty rifle on the floor too. It's weird. And he doesn't seem to care. No.

That's the other thing. Which is not very Cooper. Right. Of him. This is his only mission right now is to get her back to her house.

To get this lady back to Laura Palmer's house. So he doesn't care that there's somebody shot execution style in her little house or not. Whatever. Whatever state we're in, FBI can handle this. Well, is this when they're in Odessa?

Oh, yes. It's Odessa. That's right. So we're in Texas, which is definitely like, that's far. We're far from Twin Peaks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ends up in Texas. Yeah. That ain't 430 miles. Away from Twin Peaks.

Yeah, I'm like, that's far. He has continued to travel, obviously. This is also when we see the little white horse statue. Yes. Which, pretty sure the white horse is connected to, like, I mean, it's...

Oh, yeah. Sarah sees it, she sees it, everyone sees it, and it's, like, low-key, like, a bad omen. Well, I think it's supposed to be a good omen. Okay. I think the white horse represents good, but it's not winning this fight.

Yeah. Of good and evil. Okay. And it's part of the woodsman's mantra. Yeah.

The wide of the, you know. I think that's why I assumed it was, like, Loki evil, because the woodsmen talk about it, and they're freaks. Right. So, but yeah, I can see that it would also be maybe a good omen at times. But it's there.

It's just a little, like, porcy. A point of showing it. Yeah, they show it on purpose. So they leave. Yeah.

She leaves happily now because she's like, okay, I protect it, I guess. Start the drive from Odessa back to Twin Peaks, which is going to take a while. And it does take a while of the episode. We get a lot of driving scenes with them. She tells some stories.

She specifically says, what did she say? Like, oh, I try to keep a clean house clean. Or something like that. And then, you know, there's fully a dead body and a gun on the floor. And her house is kind of strange looking.

It's just interesting. All the, like, dialogue between the two. It's antithetical to Sarah Palmer's house, really. I mean, she ain't living in a clean house. No.

She asks, is this going to take a while? And he's like, yeah, we're going to Washington State. This is going to be a long drive. Which also she responds with, like, is that far or something? Yeah.

And I'm just like, are you guys real people? Like, yes, it's far. You live in Texas. From where we live in Fresno, Washington state is a long drive. It's 12 hours.

It's 700 something miles from here to Portland. Yeah. And Washington is above that. Yeah. Just interesting dialogue.

They drive, drive, drive. We see a lot of that drives them stopping at a normal real world gas station, not the convenience store gas station or anything like that. The Twin Peaks world is gone at this point. Yeah. That cinematic or whatever you want to call it version of Twin Peaks is gone.

And which becomes very apparent when they get to the town where they shot Twin Peaks. Because even they end up passing the R & R. And it's just very, I mean, it's nighttime, so it's closed. It just looks like a normal, it looks like when we pass the Donut House. Yeah, it's the Mar-T-R-R now.

Yeah, it's just normal. They finally arrive at Laura Palmer's house, which is just a house in Washington. I forget where they actually film it, Snoqualmie or something like that. Yeah, some, I think I used to know. It's one of those.

Native American name cities up there. Yeah. They slowly go up the steps. I love this. It's so like slow and dread filled this whole part of the trip and everything.

It's weird. It's unnerving at times. You're just like, what's going to happen? Like what's going on? Very unnerving.

And she seems unsettled. Oh yeah. He's weird. Not really positive about it either, but they knock on the door and Sarah, palmer does not answer just some lady yeah he does say he's the fbi but it's kind of like you know it's nighttime and then i don't like people knocking on our door any time of. The day you're just like okay like i don't care But he's asking sort of invasive questions like, is Sarah Palmer here?

Does she still live here? She's like, no, I don't know who that is. Yeah, they have no idea. She has no idea who that is. She's just kind of like...

At most of his questions. Well, and he asks, you know, did you buy this house from Sarah Palmer? And she's like, no. And she has to ask presumably her husband or whoever. Yes, whoever she lives with.

Someone else is in the house. Right. We don't see. She just keeps talking behind the door. So that is unnerving, too, because it's a little bit sketchy.

Like, who's back there? It's also reminiscent to the scene, which Arlen points this out, too. That Sarah Palmer, when Hawk goes to see her, she looks behind the door. Yeah, it is definitely a callback to that scene. Oh, yeah.

So it's supposed to be kind of strange. Yeah, you feel the same discomfort going on. For sure. So she asks whoever, you know, who do we buy the house from? He says the Chalfonts.

Mm-hmm. Which is a name that has come up in Twin Peaks before. And then he asks, like, well, who did they buy it from? Like, who would know? How would you know?

How would you trace that back? Generally, you don't even know, like, who you bought the house from because it goes through title companies, et cetera, et cetera. You might know the original owner's name because of the title papers. Yeah. Yeah.

You don't get this kind of information. And then he asks her what her name is. And she says, Alice Tremond. Both of those names are connected to the old lady and her grandson. From the original series and from Fire Walk With Me.

Do you see cream corn on that place? So what that has to do with anything, I don't know. But they're not good people, the Chalfants and or the Tremons. In the world of Twin Peaks, she's an agent of the Black Lodge. Yeah, she's fully a convenience store.

What's the word? She lives there, or is in there with the other creatures, with her grandson. So yeah, it's just like, oh, out of all the names and all the families or people. Yeah, so they are done with their conversation because this woman is not going to give them any information that's helpful. And so they turn around and slowly descend back down the steps.

Cooper or Richard or whoever he is, is very confused by all of this because he doesn't understand what has changed or if anything has changed or what any of it means. I asked the great line, what year is this? Yeah. What year is this? I don't know when I finally caught on that we hear Sarah Palmer in the house yelling Laura's name.

And it could just be that I've read it like in theories and stuff. And yeah, I think even in the synopsis, it says they hear Sarah Palmer's name. I mean, I kind of caught on like it's her, which I don't even know if we talked about her trying to, this is the end of episode 17. She tries to smash the picture from homecoming queen, whatever Laura was the picture of her. The glass breaks, but her picture doesn't.

And it's kind of a similar sounding shouting from Sarah that they then hear in this last episode. So yeah, I caught on. And then you said it and you were like, well, that sounds like Sarah. And I was like, Yeah, she's in there somewhere. Because I don't know if I caught on originally for sure the first time I watched it.

It probably didn't register that it was Sarah yelling Laura's name, which she does in the original show, calling her down for breakfast and realizes she's not there. So is it that that we're hearing? Is it this current timeline and she is actually in the house and yelling for Laura? What is it that we're hearing? But it makes Carrie Paige... do a Laura Palmer scream.

She screams, and it's, yeah, it's very much Laura. Right. And that bothers Cooper, or whoever he is at this point. And then we fade to black. And then we see them in the red room, Laura and Cooper.

That's the kind of fade out of the show. That is the final shot. Her whispering in his ear again. Which they've been doing since day one. Hello, I'm Cooper.

I'll see you. I'm glad you brought up the thing about the picture because this has already been reversed at this point when she's doing that. And I'm like, which version of the house are we in? Because they don't show her at first. And I'm like, are we back in 89 Twin Peaks?

Are we in current Twin Peaks? But it was current and she... Because it's her hair. Yeah, you can tell by her hair. And she's trying to smash that picture, but she can't completely destroy it.

Why is she trying to smash the picture? Yeah, I've heard literal dead daughter. Who knows? I was going to say, and you already brought up Mulholland Drive, but this feels kind of like that time loop thing again. And you said at the end, when the show ended, you're like, well, you didn't fix anything, Coop.

No, no. I seriously, that's, and bringing back to what I said even earlier, where I was like, I don't know if Cooper should have done any of this. Because, yeah, he maybe saved Laura, but even then, there's still this woman that looks exactly like Laura. Still has a bad life, because she maybe killed that guy. Everyone's still kind of like, whatever, like, no one's really like...

Happy or like good in this alternate timeline. I don't really know what it would be. And then yeah, a time loop where it's just like, well, did you just like reset it instead of fixing it or like change it? I don't know. When we first watched it, I felt a twinge of dissatisfaction because I sort of did want a concrete answer.

Like there would be, I don't know, some recognition or I pretty much expected we're not going to have Laura Palmer miraculously not killed and fine. Yeah. I think I knew she was never going to come back, but I did also kind of feel dissatisfied because I was just like, well, Cooper might have just effed it up. Yeah. No, you can't.

I mean, they constantly talk about is it future or is it past? And we live in a dream and you can't change it. No. And even with the inclusion of Freddy saying, this is my destiny, that's a path and it will happen type thing, which like I know that's in like the, let's say like, real or previous timeline where freddy says that but like yeah you can't change anything he says destiny and then all of these bad things still happen even when cooper saves laura it's kind of like predetermined. Maybe his destiny is to stop this one certain evil the bomb or that is taken care of.

No yeah i was just more saying just the mention of destiny But. Whether you can reverse what happened to Laura Palmer, I think is futile. And that was all I took away from the end was like, well, you didn't change anything. No. You didn't actually change it.

If she's this Carrie Page now, if that's what. Has happened. Like you said, she's not living a great life either. No. Sarah Palmer certainly isn't living a great life.

No, definitely not. Either way. And probably wouldn't, even if Laura had not been killed. You know, so much would have been different. Yeah.

With Laura not getting murdered. But we don't see any of that. Even if Laura didn't get murdered, she would still go back home to Leland and Sarah. And it would probably still be bad. Yeah, yeah, because, well, I don't, you know, I, yeah.

You don't really fully know, yeah, there's no, like, concrete anything, but yeah, like, it doesn't, it doesn't fix the bad. Would that stuff have been happening, though, or would Judy and Bob are still around and a part of this world? So, it feels like a reset that didn't work. Yeah, which, this is really funny, it's still connected to Twin Peaks, so you know about the Scooby-Doo show that I watch a lot, Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated. That show's only two seasons long, and it came out in, like, 2012.

The second season, a huge, huge part of, like, the main full plot of the show is taken directly from, like, Twin Peaks, there's Red Room stuff, there's The Arm, all that. But the show ends with them fighting the gang, fighting an evil entity, killing it, and then it resets their whole timeline and nothing bad that ever happened in the town they live, it never happened. And I was just, when we finished the show, I was just like, dang, that's crazy. Because that, those episodes of, that Scooby-Doo show came out way before, well not way, but like 2012. 2012. had aspects of Twin Peaks, directly referenced it and took from it and kind of had a similar ending where it was like maybe resetting the timeline.

Yeah. Interesting. How weird. Yeah. And that show ends with Fred, Daphne, Scooby, Shaggy, Velma.

They all get in the mystery machine and they just leave because they're like, Well, our town doesn't have any evil in it anymore, but there's no evil anymore, but everyone's different. They don't remember anything. Everyone's different. Everyone's happy or whatever, but nothing like they experienced happened and they still remember it all. I was like, that's so crazy that it's kind of a similar end to the show.

Yeah, because we don't see any other Twin Peaks residents. Basically, once they leave the sheriff's station. Yeah, they're all just like. That's done. I mean, it's just...

Final appearance. It's really just Coop and Diane. Yeah. Or, you know, from half of... Well, I guess just the full last episode.

A little bit of 17 as well, where... Mm-hmm. Once that storyline wraps up, we're just with them now. Yeah. That's it.

When I was talking about, oh, I thought Cooper was also saying, like, I'll see what the curtain call to Gordon as well. Because he's talking to Diane, but Gordon's there. But when he comes out, Diane's the only one there. Gordon is also not included in this. Literally everyone is gone except for those two and then Carrie, I guess.

It's neither here nor there why I think he's just solely talking to Diane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just me pointing out that Gordon's also gone, like, after that. Everybody's, everybody's gone. Literally everybody's gone.

Yeah. Once he goes into the black lodge or to the red room, sorry, of the dimension. Once he goes in there, that's it for everybody else on the show. That whole twin peaks, that world is done at that point. Yeah.

That's kind of where like it actually, not like actually, but that's where it ends. And then the show actually ends with Lord Carrie whispering in his ear or screaming in the street. Yeah, Carrie's screaming in the street, Laura whispering to Cooper's ear in the red room. Yeah. I'm going to assume that's Laura and Cooper.

Yeah. Not Carrie and Richard. Whoever the hell Richard is. Yeah, so the alternate timeline, the failed reset, I think is my, there are tons of theories out there. Oh, I'm sure.

About this. I really just, from the initial watch, just assumed you can't change this kind of thing. Yeah, that's what I think, too. He couldn't. And that's where it's like, as much as you don't want Laura Palmer to die, it doesn't matter if she does.

So just kind of. he shouldn't have messed with it i don't know if that's evil to. Say the erasing of her body on the beach i don't know i don't know what that implies really yeah maybe her body just didn't watch it wash up in that spot yeah you could dive into it that way maybe she is still dead because she disappears. Yeah she that's the other thing he does not like take her anywhere she just vanishes so like. Yeah you could assume she ends up going back and meeting with leo jock and ronette yeah And it's only changed the particulars of the story. Yeah.

You know, a lot of times, I mean, even like in Back to the Future, don't mess with stuff because you'll change the future, but it's slight differences. Or that, I don't know if you've ever seen that Treehouse of Horror episode where Homer keeps screwing up the future. Yes, I think so. He has a time machine and it keeps resetting things and it keeps getting worse and worse and worse. It gets worse, yep.

And then at the end, it's like, He's okay with it because it's raining donuts or whatever, but his family are lizard people or something, whatever. Yeah. They're like, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. It's like that to me.

Like the reset only changes certain things. Yeah. Maybe she did still get killed and maybe only these superficial things got changed where her body ended up, how, who discovers her, how it affects the town, how it plays out. I don't know. Well, Maybe her vanishing when he's trying to walk her away is just her being like put back into where she was with James.

You know what I mean? Because there's that scene. I don't remember which episode it is where Andy goes to the White Lodge. He sees the firemen. And when he comes back, all of the other Hawk, Bobby, all of them are put into their own spots.

They like fade into their predetermined area that they needed to be in. So maybe it was like that, where it didn't matter what Cooper even did. He never led her away. Yeah, they faded back to their original spots by Jack Rabbit's Palace. Like, it's just like a small move back to where they were before they walked the 253 paces southeast or whatever it was.

So maybe with Laura, she just got put back to where she needed to be away from Cooper. You hear the clicking noise and then you hear a scream. Who's screaming? And then she's gone. Yep.

So he might not have changed anything. Yeah. He might have just crossed over that electrical field and it got weird for him, too. Yeah. Or it's just an alternate timeline and this Cooper isn't the jovial, charismatic Coop from the original show.

He has. aspects of evil coop with him being brusque and not loving coffee and whatever. I mean, there's all, there's so many different, yeah. You could go any way you want with this, what it has to do with Judy. Like the thing about Judy or Judy being in the Palmer house and all that, like, I don't care that sort of theorizing doesn't really interest me. It's more about the characters.

What has happened to the characters in this supposed reset and, Yeah. Because when he comes out, he's like him and Diane are asking each other, are you the real Coop? Are you the real Diane? And they both think, well, what are you going to say? No.

Yeah. No, I'm not. Maybe they're not even the same then. He keeps going through the red room. Yeah.

Maybe that messes with you every time you like enter and exit. Who knows? I don't know. I don't think it was successful, though. No, I agree.

And whatever that Carrie Page is, if she is just somebody could have created a Tulpa. Yeah. Laura's in the red room. We constantly see her in the red room. Also, the whole this is my cousin.

Doesn't she look exactly like Laura? Right. The implication that it's not her. It could have been a Tulpa. Who knows?

Don't know. Or she didn't die, stayed at home for a while, something bad happened, she moved to Texas because she had to get away, changed her name, etc. I mean, you could look at it that way as a more realistic version of the story. She had to leave town, or she's in witness protection, or whatever. Something.

Something crazy could have happened. Who knows? You seriously just have no idea. She wasn't having a very good life in Twin Peaks, so she could have just hopped up and left, said, I've had enough, changed her name, blah, blah, blah. Who knows?

Who's to say? Yeah. What year is this? What year is this? Is this...

89? Literally, like. 2035? 2016? Is this a thousand years in the future?

I don't know. No idea. Yeah. Because at least fortunately for the Scooby-Doo ending, it's pretty clear like they reset it. Yeah, that's interesting, though, but that the reset kind of also fails because it changes stuff so much that it's not the same place anymore.

Yeah, that show has some crazy plot points. And it's like, once they kill the evil entity, it's completely changed. And they literally have to move away because they can't solve mysteries anymore. Because there's no bad in the town. There's no bad.

So maybe that's what happens in Twin Peaks. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I don't know what happened at the sheriff's station or what... coop does has brought the light back to the world because we don't get to see any of that yeah the light that was obviously missing and causing all this awful stuff to happen the gun violence the zombie kids richard horn everything else that was going on in twin peaks. Yeah also other thing we see the bob orb get crushed and implode and stuff And with the supposed Laura orb, she dies, but we never know what happens to that thing.

I guess our only real knowledge is that it gets sent there and it's maybe Laura because her face is in it. Well, I think it's just good and they slap Laura's face on there. Yeah. I think it's just the good in the world that they're sending down to battle the bad in the world. And they're just physical representations of that.

But we don't know what happens to that orb. Yeah. I mean, it's missing, right? Yeah, it's missing. That's what the whole season is about.

That's why Gersten went from being a child prodigy to a drug addict hanging out with Steven. That's why. He's pretty bad, man. Bobby and Shelly don't. All this stuff.

I mean, all the garbage that we've seen, the violence and everything else in the town that we've talked about on these episodes. That's what's going on. Yeah. And whether it's changed or not, we don't really know because we don't go back to Twin Peaks, the Twin Peaks world of Twin Peaks and see any of these characters again. So who's to say what's changed or not?

Yeah. Yeah. The only evidence we get is at the Palmer house about what's changed. It's not the Palmers anymore. Yeah.

It's the Tremons. Hmm. Alrighty. Well, who knows? Who knows?

We'll never know because there aren't going to be any more Twin Peaks. Yeah. All right. Anything else about the show? Other than just, I really, I'm happy we finished it, but also I liked it.

Like it was really good. Love the first two seasons. This one was very different, but it was still really, really good and very fun. and strange, but fun to watch. I enjoyed it because things made a lot more sense to me this time around. Even though I make mistakes when we were talking about the shows on here or not remember things, it still played out much more like, oh, okay, this isn't as.

Obscure as it felt on first or even second watch what little memories i did had helped me make those connections still get confused by a lot of it i mean most david lynch movies do confuse me that's part of the fun not for everybody but i enjoy that kind of confusion like oh what is this what does this all mean why is the actual owner of the laura palmer house on the show twin. Peaks yeah that's kind of awesome though that's. For anyone who doesn't know that's that's actually the lady that owns. That's really cool i like that they got her in it and she like willingly was like yeah i'm I'll be in it. I'd do that too, man.

That's meta, but if you don't know that, it's not meta, but it is if you do. And I don't know if I knew it on first watch, but shortly thereafter I found out that that was the actual homeowner. That's so awesome. It's one of his best pieces of entertainment, whatever you want to, you know, TV show, movie. Creations.

A hybrid. Yeah. Lucky we got it. I enjoy it, I think, more even than the original series. As a whole.

Yeah. Because the original series is hit and miss. Even the first season can be hit and miss. But this is solid all the way through. It does get a little rushed at the end, though.

Other than the last episode that is pretty slow going. A lot of crap happens in that 16th. episode and even in. The previous three that we. Talked about yeah it's like okay everything's happening everybody's converging on this place and then this place and in this place and so many characters have been forgotten about and we never see again the fusco brothers and you know you kind of forget that they don't come back and then you're like oh wait yeah. Well watching that rlm They point them out and you're like, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. We've never seen those people like ever again. Yeah. Carl, we don't see Carl for a long time. The Las Vegas police guys, we don't see.

Whatever. It makes sense. It's fine. Yeah. Stories are done.

We don't need to. And we've seen the Mitchum brothers throughout. But yeah, it kind of works with how. this third season is with you know the end of episodes with the songs and also just the scenes of characters talking that have nothing to do with the plot it's like okay yeah i can see why we don't follow every single character through yeah yeah like it works with the show it's fine it's not like no if you're watching another show and that happened and you're just like well what the hell happened to that person i think it works for twin peaks they. Serve a purpose and once they serve that purpose they're done we don't need to keep seeing them and Yeah, so yeah, watch it if you haven't. Watch all of Twin Peaks if you haven't.

Yeah, watch all of it. Seriously do. Expect things to be very different with the final season than the first two. Kind of shocking, but you can get through it. Yeah, but it's fun.

Yeah. All right, everyone. We are done with our series on Twin Peaks. Don't know what's next. We'll just have to wait and find out, I guess.

And Cleo starts back at school next week. So it'll probably be a little while before she and I do anything. But I might throw something together or I might not. Who knows? We'll see.

Play it by ear. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening. And don't forget. Anything can happen when you wake up heavy.

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