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Weird in Ware. Hello everyone, and welcome to the Bollywood Cinema Club, a show where we take a look at Indian cinema every other week. I am your host, Christashia, the host of the Culture Cast, where this show spun off from. So this is kind of like a All in the Family type thing. This is a this is a spin off.

It's like The Maid where like The Maid from All in the Families spinning off into their own show. I am joined by my good friend. You have heard him here before we talked about Koi Milgaya and now we're talking about Chris, your friend of mine. DC Titans executive producer and man about town Richard. Had him just imagine.

And on this episode of the Bollywood Cinema Club, we're taking a look at two thousand and six his sequel to Koi Milgaya Athlete, titled frish So. The film is directed once again by Rakesh Roschan. It is based on a story by Rakesh Roschan and it stars once again Prithique Roshan as Krishna, the son of Raheit Mehra who is well. He's teased taken out into the wilderness by his grandma once again played by Rayka and they hide in the wild because rowheet Metra Rowheemera disappeared. In between this movie and the last movie.

Ah, a bunch of really bad stuff happened. Actually, it's this is a depressing movie in a lot of ways. Like I don't know how else to say it, but well, his dad disappears, his mom dies, and he goes and lives with his grandmother in the middle of nowhere, and lo and Beholdsey Nick Jonas's wife, Prianka Choprah shows up, and well, they fall in love, and then he goes on a mission to find out where his father is. There's a lot to unpack here. And boy, if you told me this was the sequel to the movie we just talked about, my brain would just melt out of my head.

I Mean, the reason we're talking about this is because the two movies are so diametrically imposed in a lot of ways. So, Richard, I'm gonna kick it to you first. What did you think of Krish. Well, it was kind of like Krish is that has three parents, his biological parents and jod do. I will never forget John, you.

Forget jad Do never forget We see him for. One second in this movie, you see his little hand, and that's it. I was so disappointed. Well, but but did I miss it? When do you see his hand?

Am I hallucinating? Like I know I saw it at one point, Like I think it was like. Trying to hand and that's offensive. That's I mean, it could be his hand. Technically they both have the double thumb, so I remember distinctly at some point it showed the little hand, the blue hand.

That may have been in one of the flashbacks. I think so in the real. Timeline of this film, I don't think like it's just at the very end, they walk outside, look up into the night sky, there's a flashing light and they go, thank you, jud Do, and I'm sort of like, well, what did jud do? I mean, I know, Judd Do sort of helped by imbuing your dad and then you with superhuman powers. But beyond that, it's not like he showed up at a certain point I was hoping you would.

I'm like, all this all we need now is for that little blue bastard to show up and start kicking ass. I mean, this is a couple of years past the last one. I wouldn't have put it passed him. He doesn't unfortunately Yoda from Revenge of the Sith style fight scene where it's just a little actor in a suede jumping around or cgi. Yeah, it could have worked.

Well. I got excited because I got so I was so happy when they brought back Rowheat and they showed him in a flashback where he was sort of you know, classic era row Heat, Row Heat of koimil Gaya when he was first meeting doctor Anya and being brought in to develop the computer that can see the future. I laughed so hard. Though, Welcome to the future. Yes, thank you, And here we have filmed footage.

It's hard, very well with angles and everything. The future has to know where to put the camera to photograph the events so that you can see them, and then it sort of edits them, cuts away and then covers people in their own coverage. So the future is not a bad filmmaker. Welcome to the Future. Every time it said it, I just laughed.

So ours okay, movie, we get it. Yeah, but seeing him seeing Ruthie Orshawan as Rowheat after it was like about an hour of seeing him as Krish sort of reminded me, oh, yeah, that is a distinct character, like I don't feel like I'm just seeing him with a shorter haircut. It's like, oh no, I'm watching that character and then we're coming back to Krishna, who's his own character, unfortunately not as interesting a character as Rowheat in a story that is not as interesting. Nonetheless, Rothique Roshan is charming and great looking and does a bunch of stuff and it's fun to hang out with for just Shia three hours. Yeah, and Prianka, I mean, I'll hang out with her too, man.

I just I don't know what it was. But Prianka Chopra just I didn't. I have not seen her in anything else, and so maybe I don't understand what her acting stylings are. But compared to some of the other leading ladies we've seen, she feels like she falls short. I would agree, right, I.

Don't, And like, I don't know if it's chemistry with Rothique Roshan, but I I believe I think Rashawn would have chemistry with a watermelon, Like I don't know. Like it was weird because the moment she shows up on screen with him, when she's falling out of the sky and he has to save her, it's like it's almost like immediately apparent they have no chemistry, and I was like, okay, like, maybe we're gonna build on this, and this is just the beginning we have, like you mentioned, almost three hours, and it never builds on anything. Like the weakest part of this movie is everything regarding her and her character, like to the point where I didn't even want to bring it up at the beginning, but it was like it was a thing that irked me from the moment she showed up, and I like, again, I've never seen her in anything else, so maybe this is just the way she does the whole acting.

Is this her first film or did she have a whole history before this? I didn't. I didn't dive deep into her. She had been acting for four years up until this point, so she had She had been in things to the point where she was making cameo appearances in movies. Okay, you know, I think you're about their chemistry, and I think you're right about it, seeming like Ruthique Roshawn would have chemistry with just about anybody.

I like her, and I wasn't like I wasn't bored watching her. I enjoyed her scenes with Honey, her friend. I just I just didn't feel the connection between the two of them as strongly as I wanted to, which is and listen, it's not like the filmmaking here is restrained. I mean, they did everything to make it appear as if these two people were in love, everything short of animated birds and hearts swirling around their heads. And they're both beautiful, so it's not hard to get there and to sort of go, well, Okay, she's nice, he's great.

I just hope these two kids end up together. But I wasn't. Yeah, I felt bigger connections with other people. I would say the last movie, I felt a bigger connection between priata a prey Prey's into into Yeah boy, what a what. A great way to handle her character in this movie.

Oh my god, Oh it's everything bad that could have happened happened to row Heat in the in between. In the last twenty years, he's been held hostage by Nazi Rudin Shah, who just I mean, Chow is chewing scenery like his like he's chewing scenery like it's nobody's business. And I mean, I love I love him and everything I've seen him in. But he his wife guys. The next day and then he's in like held in limbo for twenty years.

It's like Jesus Christ and his son has taken away and hidden the forest like ro heat fuck you. Apparently that's the story of this movie, like Jesus Christ. Hasn't this poor man been through enough? And it doesn't even let lead on like how long in between the last movie ending and all these things taking place in the past word, because it seems like it was like pretty quickly afterwards someone was like, hey, mister smart man, I'm mister rich guy, and let me take you way and have you do something for me, and then whatever. I guess, Well it was within a year of Well, it's weird because there was only a few years.

But in the fictional world of Koi, Miligaya and Krish, twenty years has passed between two thousand and three and two thousand and six. Okay, got it, that's fine. But because they didn't want anything, all the drama had to be shunted off to characters that we don't see for a little while, and then we just hear about what happened to them to do drum up a sense of this sort of big palette tragedy that could then earn us the big finish, so rather than for instance, they don't no one shows up and kills our grandma, you know, RecA, and nobody shows up and does anything to him, and nobody really shows up and does anything to Priyanka. So so there's the first hour of the movie is fairly relaxed. Just here's this guy, he's been raised on his own.

We do a funny you know, a half hour with a camping group, you know, which is fairly entertaining in that guy, who's the This is terrible. I should have had these names written down, but I literally just finished watching the movie as we were starting. Who is his friend? Oh Baja Bahador? Yeah, who's great, you know, and all of that's fun.

But the Steaks don't really enter the story until he falls in love. Well, she leaves, he gets invited to go join her in Singapore, and then Grandma's like, okay, sit down, I guess I finally have to tell you here's what's happened between the last movie and this movie. And it's horrific, I mean, and it's insane. Also, it's like, wait, what so your dad went away met up with a genius tech guy, So who is he basically India's Elon Musk or something. I guess, so yeah, I mean yeah, or like Steve Probably Steve Jobs, I would assume at this point because it's like two thousand like height of the iPhone and you know, the black turtleneck, polos and stuff.

So I equated it to like a Steve Jobs. So yeah, Steve Jobs. Elon Musk a big tech dickhead. Right, and the actor looks like the Indian Eric Bogosian. Man.

He's so good. He was in he was in an Amir Khan film Sarfarache where he plays like a he's like a poet who's also like a terrorist, and you can write those scenes in your head and the scenes that he does are even ten times better than that. He is so good and he's a great villain there and he's great here. He's so good. Yeah, no, it's great.

And the one well, that's not true. I was gonna say. The one fantasy element is the notion of building a computer that can see the future. But obviously the other fantasy element is Chrish himself, who is imbued with everything in anything ro Het could do, and even a little more. It seems like he's really got the Jadu blood in his veins, right.

Yeah. Well, and again it's it's never defined, which is kind of a problem, but also not because if you don't define it, do anything right. And it's like all those people that we are getting upset about Star Wars the Last Jedi where it's like, well, they can't fly through space. Nobody ever said they could do that. It's like, well, nobody ever said they couldn't.

So like here, it's like, well, he can fly. I guess I get like, like you said, we saw what Jadu could do in the last movie, So this is like concentrated. He's he's not flying, but he's not not flying like I if. He's flying in the Crouching Tiger Hidden dragonway, that is exactly. You're sort of running through the air and jumping again and then running through the tree tops and and and like running with your feet hitting branches or horses or.

Or nothing or nothing in this movie's case. Or nothing. Yeah. If that's sort of flying through the air with your with your arms, pinwheeling a little bit in your legs, gyrating like you're riding an invisible bicycle. Anyway, it's kind of dorky.

Right, it is like, well, but it's like it's evoking something else. It evokes like an older style of superhero movie. It's like Superman. Well, there was there was that I guess, that sort of you know aughts the two thousands where where the Crouching Tiger hit and Dragon thing was state of the art, and that's when this movie hit and then and then later, Like I don't think you're really seeing a lot of that now in movies, that sort of cable work where someone's just again just sort of running through the air. Now it's pretty much straight cgi and people are just flying or you know, they're not hanging from a wire from a helicopter.

Right. Well, it reminded me a little bit of something like The Matrix a little bit, I mean, and a little bit of like old style superhero movies. Cause again it was just Clark Kent, I mean, Chris Reeves in front of like a cream screen doing this. I mean that's what it was like, you know, and this is in a lot of ways like that, And I don't know, like from the from like two thousand and one to like two thousand and eight or nine, there was like that weighty, like weightlessness about action where you were just kind of like, I don't know, right and like and then there was right, and then there was a shift to like grounded and like, oh, it's got to be like born and serious and gritty and like, you can't do that when it's that So that kind of went away.

But the choreography in this movie was was Hong Kong. I mean it was right. Be brought in experts, you know who did sort of specialized in that action choreography, and then and then some of I guess some American special effect and computer effect guys were brought in to help because I from what I read, the idea was that this movie was going to challenge the the production level of Hollywood films. So there was a concentrated effort let's see if we can make something as good as Hollywood in terms of those those sort of top tier action effects that you know, Let's see if we can do it. They did a good job.

I mean it was you know, it was exhilarating and fun to watch. But it's funny how even that state of the art now feels a bit antiquated fifteen years later. Well, I mean, I will say, like the special effects in this movie pretty good, Like, yeah, pretty good. I mean, I mean, you know, we talked about Koi Milgai. Obviously in that movie was I wouldn't say it was effects heavy, but I think, like maybe you could make the case like half of it was rather effects heavy.

I would say half of this movie is rather effects heavy, maybe a third. But this movie three hours, so a third is an hour. So I think, you know, and I read the same thing, you know, I was thinking because I wanted to ask you that very question. Like two thousand and six, movies like Batman Begins. Are coming out r right, So is.

This Hollywood level superhero at the time? Does this compete in a substantive way in your opinion? I think so. It's it's still made in a different tradition. I mean, plus this movie, I would say that this the genre of this movie, beyond the effects and everything else, is romantic melodrama.

Right, It's not a superhero movie. It's like, it's really not. I mean, I pitched this to you as a superhero movie, and I think that's the closest analog for part of this movie is a superhero movie. But it is in the same way Coimil Guya is not a sci fi movie. This isn't a superhero.

Yeah that yeah, coiml Gaya is a sentimental fantasy film. This is a romantic melodrama. I mean, I mean the only the only real drama is the romance. I mean, that's what's at stake for him and story wise, in the center of the movie, that's what's at stake for us. Is this relationship and and will it survive?

The lies each of them are telling. His lie is he's hiding his abilities, okay, and trying to keep a promise to his grandmother and when he goes out into the world not reveal that he can do all this amazing stuff. Her lie is that she's ambivalent about her feelings for him. She doesn't dislike him, but it's so clear that he is so in love with her, she's not sure she returns those feelings. Her feelings may not be as strong at the beginning, and so she lies that she is more in love with him than she really is, simply to get him to Singapore so he can be exploited by her and her friend Honey on the TV show they work for Right.

Yeah, which is like is very low stakes, Like you're right, I look in a lot of ways. I mean, this is again an old school superhero trope. But ain't nobody not recognizing you even with that mask on? With the Groshawn, Well, yeah, they's the one that it does turn into Batman music. I mean you can hear the music going God and you're like that that's some Batman music.

Right, Okay, it's it's a superhero movie in that tradition of a superhero movie, a seventies eighties superhero where it's like, you know, some of this is close approximation to what they're doing in the comics, but our technology does not enable us to do everything the way we want, so some things are just going to look kind of well kin I mean again, like I don't think this movie commits any cardinal cgi sins. This movie looks really good, but some of the kind of trappings of what they're doing, like him running through the air, Like there's a couple fight scenes that look like they're out of a comic book. They might rub someone the wrong way if they're expecting more contemporary superhero conventions.

But I would say, like you've said, it's it's like Kuemogaya is, like you said, a family movie. This is a romance movie. It just happens to have superhero elements. And really there's only about like forty five minutes of it. It's not even I mean, it's a two and a half hour movie, two hours and forty five minutes, and a third of it is superhero.

The rest is other romantic musings and musical numbers. If the Chris Nolan movies were extremely sort of brooding, grounded, cloudy, troubled superhero tropes, this is not. Yes, it's a melodrama, but the energy level and the color and the pace and the emotion is typically pretty upbeat. I wouldn't say there was a ton of great comedy in this one, but I would not call it cloudy, you know what I mean. I mean Batman, the first Batman movie that Christopher Nolan did were not ever cut any slack to experience joy.

And that's very much been the way of many many superhero movies, Superman, you know, the Zack Snyder ones. It's it seems to fall into the category of it's so terrible to be superhero, which to me defeats the point. You can still make a beautiful movie, but if I walk out feeling like I just saw. And it's so funny because after I saw this the Superman movie, uh it may have been Superman Returns, I was like, you know, great filmmaking, but not for a Superman movie. Go make a World War two movie.

And then of course he did. And I'm like, that's because that's what this feels like. Like I shouldn't walk out of a Superman movie and feel like I just saw saving Private Ryan. I want to feel joy. I want to feel uplifted and exuberant and exhilarated this.

You know, Bollywood films do a better job of that, And even when there's a tragic backstory, it's only used to fuel the eventual delivery of justice. See in a lot of those tragic backstories, haven't we Richard, Yeah, Doom one, Doom two, Doom three. Well yeah, but those I mean, I know, but pure candy, I just like, you know, I mean those. Well, so is this what? You don't you think?

I mean, I do? You know? It's but it has the inevitable comparisons to Coy Mildaia and frankly, the character of Rowheat is just so much more compelling, so much more interesting, so much more sympathetic, in so many ways. Oh he is, he is. You know, he's got his deficits, but he's clearly heroic as a human being.

And then becomes after his you know, sort of indoctrination through John dou he becomes literally heroic. And that's all really fun to see. That movie was firing on all cylinders, this one. And it's strange for me to say this about Indian cinema or Bollywood film, but it feels almost it feels a little thematically restrained. It feels like it's only using a few arrows in its quiver in terms of the emotions.

That dance sequences were good, but you know, was but not not super not super memorable, not like when Roheat you know, was suddenly the best dancer in the place, and it was not only an incredible dance sequence, but a very the concept was funny. Remember when him and Pradi's into danced in the rain? I do I don't remember any of the musical numbers from this movie. They were they were fine, but they didn't add They didn't add anything. I mean, it's not a matter of detracting.

I don't look at them as a detractant, but I normally feel like when we're talking musical numbers. In Indian cinema. Most of the time they add to the overall sense of why the characters are doing what they're doing, or letting the watch us fall in love with the characters on screen. None of that here, And again no chemistry between Reik Roshan and Prianka Chopra, but that's beside the point. It's just okay, like fine.

Yeah, yeah, and you know, and then the super I'm sorry, the science fiction conceit of the computer that can see the future that kind of dominates the last twenty twenty five minutes of the movie is okay, but it's kind of a goofy premise and it doesn't feel super smart or even that threatening. I don't I don't know. I mean, we don't wanted more of that. We feel like we're concerned about real heat. Once we realize he's still alive, that's a good twist and or a good revelation that that, oh my gosh, he can still be saved.

So that gave the last chunk of the movie some steaks. But but yeah, then then we're kind of just watching him kick ass, which is great, but I don't know, it sort of wrapped up pretty quick and then suddenly, can you help me with this? Suddenly she's there to be taken prisoner, and I wasn't clear was she accompanying him through all of this. He just brings her in. I remember seeing her when when it turns out the other Chrish the guy he sort of hands off the mask too, who then unfortunately gets murdered.

Oops. I remember seeing her there, but that afterwards when he's getting onto the island. For some reason, I didn't think she was with him, but then she shows up at the very end as a hostage. Well, I mean, she's gotta be. There has to be some steaks.

You have to have the female. I didn't understand it either. I mean the again, like that's the I think you're right. The kind of big issue I had with this movie is the stuff that I was really enjoying got pushed to the side for something that I'd already seen in the last movie done better. I think the issue maybe boils down to Pradie's into and for thiqu Roshan's chemistry was so good that I kind of I kind of wish it had just been row Heep Meyhra had become the superhero, Like, why why go through all this about him being Like why.

Like, well was it was it? Literally because they couldn't get the actress, I don't. I mean, they could have still killed her off, but they still have for Thique Roshan. Like my point is like they have the same actor playing a different character, but it's still the same actor. Why go through this like storytelling convention, like well, your your your wife died, but you had the baby and so now it's the baby played by the same actor.

It's I just it feels like a lot of hoops to jump through to just get rethik rochand to play the same character again. Yeah, I don't know. I guess they felt like they had already so have done everything they could do with him, and then they did. You know, again, there weren't a lot of arrows not fired in Koimil. Gaya, right, But that was the one arrow they didn't fire, was him actually being a superhero.

Well, nobody did a little of that. Towards the end, She's you know at that basketball game, Come on, man, he was flying through the. Ball, was flying more through the air than his son does in this movie. Like, I just it was very strange to me because if you want think Roshan to play a superhero in your movie, and you already have a movie that he was in, why do you have to, like, I don't know, there's this Indians in ab. To play two characters.

Oh, I know, I've seen this in Indian cinema a bunch now, and it's it seems like such a commonly used trouble, like the actor playing the same character, or like two characters in a movie, or like father and son, or it's here it's done fine because they're so different. But I feel like, maybe just have him be the superhero because, like you said, CHRISTI ends up just being a row heat stand in. Anyways, he's just not as endearing at all. His better hair, but he's not as endearing. Right because he doesn't he's not troubled.

I mean, his life is pretty great. He's been growing up, running out. And then like, well, well his life is you know what that's probably and you know, I hate to use this term, but I think it's a fair term to use here. He's kind of a very sue in this vie. You'll have to tell me what that is.

He's he's kind of perfect from the get go. And he doesn't really grow as a character. He's good at everything, and that's kind of the case, Like what character growth does he exhibit in this movie? Like, oh, he struggles with the fact that he's a superpowered individual but can't out himself because his grandma told him not to. Like that's as much as he struggles with everything else.

He can save everybody and stop everything. And he doesn't even really seem that sad that he accidentally got his friend killed. I mean, I'd be a little sad that I got my friend killed by accident, but oh. Yeah, well, well, the only time he's seems truly hurt and upset is when he overhears Riyanka talking about how she lied to him, and he doesn't stick around long enough to hear the rest of it where she confesses her true love for him. But and that's sort of the only thing, So it's not like he doesn't learn.

I'm sure it's very dramatic to learn something about your past and learn about your father things you never knew, and then and then realize he's still alive and you have the opportunity to save him. That's all fine, But nothing really happens to him to make him feel differently about his abilities. It's not like he learns that that he got his abilities from the devil and now he has to question using them or something. I mean, it's just. Sort of like, well, it turns out is the devil.

You know that, you know, let's get to work on. That devil aliens. I mean that is very much. You know. Look, I've spent the last five years working on Titans.

That's everything we do. All we do is people and their ambivalent relationship toward their powers and and what does that mean? And in this movie, he has no ambivalence toward his powers. He knows that he has abilities. He learns that it's because of his dad and John dou because his mom had nothing to do with this.

I don't understand, Like he's a clone of his father. Like what did free Andy's into add to the equation? Like was this a max hair exception the womb? That's what it was. She had long hair and eyesight.

Hey man, I'll tell you what when that win when those wind machines blow on him in those scenes, boy, just the perfectly cloffed hair blowing back with that giant black leather jacket that he's wearied. Well, it was also very anime. There was a there was a anime flavor to this, with the with the blurry backgrounds sort of going by quickly around or slow. It's like, it's like Scott Pilgrim. Right, It's it's one manga like I yeah, I thought the exact same thing.

And I would not have had that frame of reference if not for the fact I've spent a lot of this year reading manga. So it was it was. It was interesting because again, like that's that's an influence that I haven't seen in these movies yet. That's an influence that's not even like really an American superhero movies. Like, no, I mean it it other than Scott.

Pilgrim, Yeah, Scott Pilgrim. It's it sneaks in around the two thousands and and and it's in animated anime that my kids have been watching for the past fifteen years. So they're watching you know, Last Airbender and Black Clover, I think other ones, I don't. Know, whatever. Those fun one piece a lot of one piece in this house.

The books are stacked, you know, everywhere, and it's on television all the time. Sixteen hundred chapters. Buddy there's a very yeah, you'll live in a house built out of one piece mangas at some point pretty much. So yeah, so there was a little bit of that. I mean, like I kind of love the fact that they just grab whatever is happening, and it's like, well, let's put a little of that in.

It's not you know, it gives us a visual flair and of course his hair and that coat, you know, a lot of angles. It was. You know, again, it's like nothing wrong with this film where I'm finally getting to the point where it's like I've seen enough of them to now go, oh, they're not all great. Some of them are just very good. You have And that's the thing, Like we haven't watched one yet that's been like, eh, like Heather and I have seen like this is this is probably the closest we've gotten to like this is good.

But like Heather and I have seen two that were one is not great to the point where we don't understand why anybody is even interested in watching it anymore. With Mahakal and then Circus, which is on Netflix, it's just it's fine, Like this is better than just fine, but it's I don't know, I think maybe also hurts it the fact that it's a sequel to Koi Mil Gay, which is a much better movie. I think it's a much more emotionally invest the Bull movie. It's easier to get invested in that movie than it is this one, because again, I think kathik Roshan is just turning on something different in that movie that this movie doesn't require at all. I mean unless when he's playing doctor Rowheat, but other than that, like, this movie doesn't require him to kind of be It should have required him to be childish, but instead he's just kind of I don't know, Like I don't know, he just don't have Christiana's not much of a character.

I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you. He's he's not much of a character in a movie where that's the name of the movie. No, he's a he's a happy, good looking dude. Right, Like that's it. That's about as much as I know.

Yeah, yeah, who can do a lot of great stuff and doesn't really doesn't again, doesn't worry about his skills and doesn't worry about his skills not being equal to the task. He just sort of proceeds. Now, the funny part is there's a part of me now that it's like, well, we probably should watch Chrish three. And then there's another part where I'm just like, oh, I just want to see Pathan and RRR, and I just I just want to week ahead and watch something extremely current because I haven't seen those yet. But but rather than do that, or maybe I'll do that too, but here I do think now in for a Krish, uh, in for a Jadu, we gotta we gotta finish this trilogy up.

Which the next movie's title is so hilariously strange because this is Krish, which is a sequel to Koumo Guy, and that movie's title is Chrish three. Chris three. It's almost like Koimilgaya parentheses Krish one. I get it. It couldn't be Chrish one because Chrish is Krish.

Yeah, there's there's no two. Chrish is the first time the word Chrish is used. But now we're going to three. It's heired. It should be koimil Gaia.

You know what, I don't know. What should be Chrish two, that's what it should be. I suppose it should be Chrish two because Chrish was not a character in Koimil Gaya, so it should be Chrish two, So why is it Chris three? And even to your point, like because Jadu is not in this movie, it in a lot of ways, it doesn't feel like it has anything to do with Koi Milgaya other than like the small little things that are like, oh, he's still alive, and oh pretty's into died off screen, and oh Rake is here, but like that's it. It's like it's not interested with any of the alien stuff.

And you had mentioned this at the top, but I kind of forgot in a lot of ways that it's all about the alien, like the alien powers. It's all powered by the alien. These movies should have been called Grandma one, two and three or Raco one, two and three. Boy, seeing she's in the third one, I don't know. I mean, it was a thankless role in the last movie, but in this movie it's even more thankless.

Like it's it's I'm just going to sit here and look worried. And cry right and make you feel bad. Yeah, constantly, it's and us tied. It's so weird to me because again, like Raka is an actress with a fairly long bomography, and she's the backbone of the movie. She's almost the only one who's given anything interesting emotional to do.

But it's not anything different from the last movie, right, She's like, how am I here again? It's just like, how am I having to do this again again? I was. I was fascinated by the use of product placement though, the Tide, the potato chips and Honda. It's like Chrish brought to you by Honda and lays potato chips.

I like the on. The ones that stuck out to me were the lace potato chips. These what's his lays are very good. They're always holding it like right up to the camera. And that Tide is like her decorating scheme in that cabin they have a the Hills.

I don't think we've seen an Indian cinema movie up into this point that has had such obvious product placement. I don't think so, I don't remember it. I mean this was pretty blaring. Yeah, I mean that. Yeah, those laze potato chips are.

Just yeah, would you like one? It made me want potato chips and made me want to do laundry and drive a Honda and drive a Hound while I'm already driving Honda. So hahah So you know, Chrish the character. Notwithstanding you know, we did kind of talk about him a little bit, but I do want to dig a little bit deeper. Nazi Rudin Shah as the villain, Like he's almost the best part of the movie, right, Like for me, he turns in an actual like he knows what movie he's in, and I'm not sure maybe the movie even realizes what movie he's supposed to be in, but he knows what he's being asked.

Well, he's telling I mean, in a weird way, I almost feel like he's telling the movie what to be. He's like, Okay, I'm here now, and so now it is my movie and I am basically a James Bond villain. Yeah, pretty much. I mean that's on an island, right, Like That's why I was saying, Like, in my mind, the parts of this movie that work are the things that have to do with him being a superhero. In a lot of ways, the trappings of Indian cinema, for once, I would say, actually get in the way of this being a superhero movie.

So the parts that are superhero quote traditional superhero are sidelined for a traditional Roma story. And like, I'm not sure that the movie needed more of the romance stuff, but it needed more of the superhero stuff for sure. Well, I guess it is the first superhero movie we've seen, and. It's very much it's very much in a lot of ways, the first Indian superhero movie. There were other things like shak Timond and stuff, but this is this is kind of the beginning for what the Indian superhero cinema would be and is now.

Right where the character literally has other worldly powers. Yeah, And even though it cropped up a little incoimial Gaya, it was more about just you know, he he sort of had extraterrestrial enhanced powers and he. Was given to him. We don't and you know, there was the whole question of will I mean, remember the whole question in the first movie was will he have the powers when the alien is gone? Now, it would seem as long as you're a child of row heat like you're gonna have magical powers.

So yeah, like the DNA carried on the jah Dou, I. G yes, like it, sure, I guess like it's it is. Yeah, that that it's a child that really is a child of three fathers or three parents. And then and then the sort of well, you know. I mean the second act was, okay, go to Singapore, hide my powers.

Okay. Then get into a situation where I can't hide my powers, so I have to disguise myself. Birth of Krishna, or rather Birth of krish. With the greatest video camera placed ever. Apparently, Yeah, that was lucky.

We really lucky. So lucky in fact that they not only caught him putting the mask on, but him looking at the camera while he was doing. It, pointing, Okay, it's me, I'm chrish Yeah. And then but a really cool mask, you know, and then he goes in. What I love about the Circus fire sequence is that he goes in and saves that uh trapeze artist, gets her out of there.

And then the minute he gets out, this other dude like, oh, actually my daughter's in there too, would you mind going back? And he's like okay, okay, anyone else? How many people have people in there? Okay, because I'm not going in there? Three more times raised people raising their hands.

Okay, god, okay? What and what's her name? He's riding like. That's seen in Forrest comp where he goes and grabs all his platoon members and drags him out. Yeah, it's like, okay, I'll go I'm only going back in there one more time.

So is there anything else? I think I lost my keys, you, Jock, I was in the back, so I on the thing that there's a little there's a fob if you could just so he goes in there and then he saves the little girl, hands her off. But now he's Batman. I mean, he's Batman. That is the visual language, right.

More or less. I mean again, it's it's very much a millunge of a lot of things we've seen before, old school Batman, old school Superman. Again, there's not blood, there's no gore there. I get there are people with gun I'm trying to remember, Yeah, there are people with guns, but they're never he never gets until like the very very end. But yeah, I'm not saying that the steaks feel low, but that steaks don't feel very elevated.

Right again, because ultimately the steaks are romantic. The steaks are I want to be with this woman. And the only reason his his obsession with that relationship is derailed, even for a moment, not even derailed, but just sort of like you know, subsumed in something else is when he finds out his dad's alive, and then it's like, oh, okay, well, I'm still in love with Brianca, but I'm going to go save my dad and then as soon as i'm done, somehow everything will be okay. In my relationship with Prianca, we have reconciled. I understand that she always loved me, and everything will be great.

And then I was yeah, And as the dad. Came home, they cleaned him up, they gave him a good meal, he stopped having so much chapped lips and you know, kind of bloodshot eyes. Oh my god, whatever that makeup they were doing on him made him look awful. Yeah, oh my god. It was like really yeah, he lay in that chair with his feet pointed in and he's all hunched over and he just looks insane.

It was, it was, it was a lot. It was yeah again, like that's you know, it's the thing that we've kind of mentioned a couple of times, but it bears repeating. I'm just like fucking weirdly depressing this movie because the things that it just kind of is like, oh yeah, you know, at one point, Roheat turns the computer on and he's like, I can see the future, and he's like, let me, let me look into the future and see what's going to happen tomorrow my child is born. And he's like, oh my god. You know, it's like, you see the image is shot perfectly.

You see his wife in bed. It's like, oh, your baby boys here. And then all of a sudden phone rings, Oh my god, bro, he's dead. And he's like, what the fuck it, I'm not dead yet, Like, what the fuck movie? And then and then make matters worse, his wife dies and he's captured for twenty years.

Like it's yeah, the amount of time and the amount of like, it's just the movie just kind of like, hmm, whatever, she's dead, like this character gets. I think it's weird that the amount of like the nonchalance that the movie has towards some of the more awful things that it throws at our characters is kind of astounding. I appreciate it. It doesn't pull any punches, but it's a little awe. And the looking into the future thing, I don't know.

I mean, I at my age, I would be like, I have no interest. I don't even want to look at what's happening right now. I don't even want to go on Twitter much less. Look at tomorrow's Twitter. I need to know the future.

Welcome to the future, Welcome to the future. Does he ever make it even clear as to what he's going to use the technology for, or he's just I have this technology. He's going to be god breaking news. Right, like like great? But what else isn't that everybody's like thing, but that massively like over overreaching technology.

I want to be God. When you can know everything about the future. What he's going to do is a bet on sporting off. It right when in doubt use this future tech for the stupidest of fucking your reasons. Yeah, well, and then they don't even God bless him.

I'm glad they don't. But they don't get into the whole future question of well, if we see the future and the future is ten thousand people are people are killed in a hurricane, and yet the stated purpose is if we know that hurricane is coming, we can save those people. Then the death of those people is therefore not going to be in the future. Therefore you wouldn't see that. You would only see the stuff that is absolutely going to happen no matter what you do about it.

So which is exactly what this movie does. So whatever he thought he was inventing, he was wrong. He was seeing a future he had absolutely no way to influence at all except suffer through like Oedipus. Right, So wow, can you imagine? So all that time he spent and all he gets to see is his own death twice and then he gets to experience it.

I kind of like it, though, I mean, look, Nazi Rudenshaw's character is such an ass. It's like, fine, you get what you deserve, you know. Ultimately, Yeah, I'm not going to say I was disappointed by this movie, but I think I think I maybe maybe it's on me and I expected something else, But I don't. I mean, sitting here and talking with you about it, I don't feel like my expectations are the issue. I feel like the movie just kind of fell short of well, maybe it is an expert I don't know, Like, what do you well, I mean, I get what is it?

What's what? I don't know? Were you disappointed by this movie comparatively to the last movie. I'm a little bit a little underwhelmed, let's say, which is part of what makes me so interested in seeing the third one, because I want. I'm just I'm interested in, you know, again, the way they turn things.

Having watched Doom one, two and three and seeing how that entire franchise changes in terms of tone and even star power, I'm now interested to see. Okay, so is the third one yet another completely different genre in a way? Or is it more exciting? I mean, it's made quite a few years later, from two thousand and six to twenty thirteen. You know there's gonna be better effects, but more things you can do.

So let's see what they do well. And that's and that for me is kind of where I kind of am in the same camp. I just is it good? Like to say Koi Malgaia was a good starting place is kind of the same. I would say that this is an interesting continuation or a new starting point again, right, I don't cooime like this this is such a fucking left turn from Koimlgaia.

We really haven't mentioned that. Like what this is is so like I can't even tell you an American movie that has a sequel like this that is such a complete pivot. Because I pitched Koimlgaia to you as Forrest Gump meets Close Encounters, of the third kind. That's more or less kind of what it was. And this movie is a superhero.

Movie quote unquote. Tell me a movie like Koimlgaia in the United States Western cinema that has a sequel like this or such a hard genre pivot, like such a genre pivot. I can't even think of one. Yeah, me either, me either. Maybe this is why maybe this is I mean again, it they were.

I mean, they made some choices that I think could have gone a completely different way, but they stuck to their guns in a lot of ways. I feel like, Yeah, and it was by all accounts, very popular, made money. Critical reception was good. There weren't you know. It's not like, oh boy, did we you know, drive this thing off a cliff?

Right? I think it was considered successful. They accomplished what they wanted to accomplish, and and then you know, moved on to a third one. Right. Yeah.

No, everything I saw said that everybody who saw it enjoyed it. It was nominated for Filmfare Awards, all kinds of stuff. So look, I mean again, I it didn't resonate with me the way Koy Milgaia did. But yeah, it's a it's a Superhero mid two thousand. Superhero movies aren't my thing anyways, any more than I kind of feel like they're yours.

No, yeah, not at all. I wonder what this would have been like if we had watched it then, Like if we had watched this at like the same time as like that Batman Begins movie, and like, would it have felt maybe maybe if we had watched it as Westerners then, But I feel like this movie was always going to kind of feel a little trite even well. I mean, but again it's I mean, for me, it's not It's not like, oh I was disappointed in the effects. No, just it was not a you know, from beginning to end. It was not as compelling a story.

Right, which that's like a base problem that's hard to fix. That's yeah. You can't make Chrithique Roshan any more charismatic than he already is. There's nothing like that. Yeah, I mean he did everything he could do.

Yeah, yeah, for real like that? If anything, So, hey on onto Chrish three, I guess the final one until Chrish four comes out at some point in the future because it got delayed due to COVID. So all right, I mean, hey, at this point, it's been ten years since the last one, so who knows that that would be the craziest part is to see a worth one with twenty twenty three or forward technology late Yeah yeah, So so until then, Richard, where can people find you hanging up your shingle on the internet? People can find me on Twitter. I'm still there and they can also.

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