159: High School Noir

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This week's Sofa Theater feature is Brick. The year is 2005. The director, Rian Johnson. They plot according to IMDb, and it's actually not bad. A teenage loner pushes his way into the underworld of a high school crime ring to investigate the disappearance of his ex-girlfriend. almost accurate there.

So with that spoiler alert, because we were deciding earlier, if this is one that, you know, is, is something you can spoil and it really, I mean, you can spoil the plot, which I'm sure we will, but there's something going on within the movie itself that regardless of if you know the plot or not, you kind of have to experience. And Hopefully by now you already have. If not, go watch it. I don't even know if I remember the plot. It's been three weeks since I watched it again.

Yeah. I'm sure you'll piece it together. All the plot bits and stuff, but once you know what kind of world you're in, you know it's a dame. It's all a dame. Well, that's what I realized.

This is a love it or hate it kind of a movie. Right off the bat, if you get this, you're going to get it. If you don't, you'll be like, what the hell is this? And you're going to turn it off more than likely. So I don't know.

I think if you can get to the point of putting it in the DVD player and pressing play or pulling it up and you're good, I think you're going to watch it because it's slick. It's smart. I think we would get to that. And I think a lot of people listening are in that same mind. I think if you show this to Joe on the street and he got midway into some of their lines and I think they'd be like, what the hell is this?

And they'd change it. I think people who don't really want to bother to watch a movie are not going to like it. Yeah, I think this is one of those... Because you have to watch it. That divides.

I mean, if you're not really watching it, it's not going to work. I just think it divides the people who are really into movies and want to invest themselves in something like this from... the casual viewer who wants to watch shit explode. Right, it's not 13 going on 30. It's not one of those movies where you kind of know what kind of story it is so you can kind of like be doing a few things and come back and look at it. You've got to be paying attention.

Yeah, I'll get into that later. Where do you want to begin? Well, I think, you know, just the dialogue. So at first, tip the bulls? Nah, bulls, gum it.

And flash their dusty standards to the wide eyes. Probably find some yig to pin. Probably even the right one. Trample the real tracks. Scare the real players back into their holes.

If we're doing this, I. Want the whole story. No cops. Not for a bit. So what's first?

I don't know. Your mom still have that cell? In her car. Borrow it for a few days. Give me the number.

I'll wait for my word. And, um. Cover for me first. I'll be a little late. For me, it's a really funny movie.

In a way, it doesn't have funny beats. It doesn't have jokes. But you get caught. Up in it. And then after a while, it's just funny how caught up in it you get.

Because it's very much an old-fashioned noir set in an unexpected place. place in high school. And so just every now and then when it takes a little turn or there's a little road bump in it, actually that makes me think, actually there are just things in it that are flat funny. They are kind of jokes. But not a lot. It's mostly deadpan and just every now and then you find yourself laughing because it's like, this.

Is high school. But it kind of works. And it's just unexpected and funny and you're not really given. like a beat to laugh, or you couldn't sound... It's just inherently funny. Right.

And you're going to laugh in a different spot than I am. Yeah. It's kind of like your tickle point in the movie. Like, now it's funny to me, and I'm going to get it. Yeah, you just pick your own moment to go, this is hilarious.

Yeah. You know. I don't, it doesn't feel realistic to me, the entire film, because I was so unaware of the world in high school. I was, you know, these kids are light years beyond me that there would be this underworld and there would be these parties and there would be, I just, you know, I was, I was just, Well, like Fred, you've referenced before. There were a few moments of things that I did, and the rest of the time I was just waiting around, tying my shoes, or whatever else I needed to have.

I think that's specific kids, though. Yeah, maybe. A lot of standing around waiting. There's a lot of other kids. And again, I was not one of those kids.

And that's what I think is sort of fascinating about this is like, it plays out like, yeah, it's a Raymond Chandler novel, but at the same time, it incorporates all the goings-on of a high school life, not necessarily the day-to-day in the classroom stuff, but all the other stuff that's going on of relationships and the buying and selling of goods and or services that are going on, and all of it is really going on out there in high schools, and it's easily as overwhelming and underhanded and the kind of stuff that went on in your old noir kind of movies is going on in day-to-day life. We just don't see it that way right now unless you put on these special brick glasses. And all of a sudden, again, you get the joke of it.

But at the same time, that's what I thought was cool is that it doesn't take anything that to me is that far-fetched the dialogue is, but the things that are going on is shit. That's probably going on in every town or at least within, you know, a couple of towns in every state across this country, probably the world over this kind of stuff just happens. Right. I'm not going to say that there aren't kids that are more developed and mature and involved in things that I was too sheltered to see. Cause that's happening.

I know that's happening. Um, It happened to a girl in my, I mean, things like that. There was a girl in my grade school that was, or middle school, I guess is what you would call it, that was involved in a ring of trouble and ended up, you know, passing away as a result. And it's that shock of, that was going on here? Yeah.

That was going on here. You know, and she was considerably, considerably in control. middle school terms, younger than me by a few years. And that's even more of a revelation that how is that possible? But I just wasn't there. I mean, I guess I was watching, you know, movies.

I wasn't doing it. I fell into a burning ring of trouble. Did you? Yes, it went down, down. Well, you're a lot smarter than I am.

No. No, I don't think that way. Well, not on these choices. Yeah, I don't think that explains the phenomena. But no, I think, I mean, again, it may be a little exaggerated for movie-wise, but again, a lot of the basic goings-on, a lot of the drama that comes into play is the kind of stuff that goes on in, you know, in a lot of high schools.

It's just sort of exaggerated and shoved into this little plot line. But, you know, some of the basic scenes are, like, stuff that's getting played out every day. Yeah. Except, I think, you know. The murder thing.

I mean, that's a pretty major event. Or a kid O'Dean. I wasn't even counting that. I was talking about just the drama. The goings on.

The life and death of everything that goes on in kids' lives is kind of represented here. And that part of the story is the part that's sort of done for the movie. And again, that happens too on occasion. But that's a little more rare, I hope, really. Yeah, it's a pretty big amount.

But the other stuff, everything else that's going on in the day-to-day events is kind of stuff that goes on in people's lives. I hear some scary stories from people from them growing up, and even now, so I mean, there's that stuff going on, and I think it's funny that when it's happening, I don't know that people realize it as much. Again, this just sort of puts that tint on it, and you're like, Oh yeah. Remember when that guy got involved? Yeah.

I mean, it's like, it sort of puts a different. You know, discussion of it is making me think of, um, I talked some kids into watching blue velvet recently. I wrote that down. That's exactly what it reminded me of. Although I think the guy was like back home from college, but it had that feeling though of like a hearty boys mystery.

Um, that, Well, it reminded me a lot of that, actually, because it really is that, like, if you go back and you even get that flashback scene of him, even like two months before, he's kind of a clean-cut kid. And he's sort of, you know, just like an innocent at that point. Sort of like when he comes into the story in Blue Velvet. And then midway in, he's just... finds himself knee-deep in this mess and this underworld of things going on that have always been going on, but he was clueless out beside the football field, not paying attention to them. You know, characters get obsessed in that moment, too.

They have to keep going. Yeah. That is the, and I don't want to use the word heroic downfall of Blue Velvet, but he is obsessed and cannot pull himself away from throwing himself back into that world. Yeah. When you could go, you know what?

Fuck this. I'm done. I'm going. And this one, he does it almost on like sheer principle, you know, because by, by midway into the, not even that it's maybe a third of the way in the movie. When we catch up with the opening scene, it's like, it's already done.

I mean, he could leave it and who cares, but you know, it didn't affect him except it affected him, you know? But I mean, he could have been out of it and not gotten involved in all the rest of the movie that he, crazy stuff that he gets swept up in it's like he could have just walked away and it is his like obsession with finding what happened to her and and almost just like finishing what she started it's like she came to me for help and even though you know we've thrown out the spoiler alert she's not here anymore you know she's already dead i'm still going to yeah yeah again if you watch the movie at all But yeah, I'm still going to finish what she asked me to start. She wanted help, and I'm going to find out what was going on, even if it doesn't benefit her anymore.

It's like I'm finishing what she asked me to do. When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do something about it. Damn straight. That's right. Maltese Falcon.

Maltese Falcon. Yeah. Which this lifts several things from, actually. Even just the speed of the dialogue. Yeah.

Trying to follow it is just like fun. in and of itself that that slick nature of it is it is a lot of fun these kids don't um they they talk well and it is it it is. A i mean it's a neo-noir right is yeah how they now. And that's that's fine it you know does it kind of got and i think when seeing it this time and maybe I should have stopped and thought and continued watching, but when they were talking about his last name, his last name is Fry in it. Is that correct? Brendan, Brendan, something like that.

I don't know. I kind of got a, a, um, uh, Ferris Bueller's kind of vibe out of the, out of the film anyway, that he was just listed as Brendan. Oh, okay. I thought they used the name Fry. Um, Which doesn't matter, other than when I was thinking about that.

Later, it shows a line that has him as, yeah, Fry. Okay. That kids that are in control of their world like Ferris Bueller, like the pen, I guess. Yeah. I sort of saw it as another reference.

To me, it's like the peanut's gone wrong. I was like, there's most of the time midway into those episodes on the Peanuts, I'm just like, where are these kids' parents? And I'm the same thing here. It's like these kids do everything on their own. With the exception of the Penn's mother and the vice principal, you.

Don't see adults. There are no adults. Adults don't exist in this world. They are the adults. They are just like in the Peanuts, though.

It's like the Peanuts just go off on their own little adventures and do whatever the hell they want without adults really coming into play most of the time. So I don't know. I just thought that was a weird little connect in the middle of it. Speaking of Peanuts, and fans of this show will appreciate this. Fred, you're the one that brought up the Peanuts where you just show the two frames.

Yeah, the three nuts. Watching over the holidays, I watched a couple of the Peanuts. There's two or three of them, shows. And every single scene is a comic strip. They'll show one line, two line jokes.

One line, two lines. Their entire show is just set up. I was remarking to my wife, I was like, with the three kids, I wish you could just remove that last kid and then just watch the shows. You can. God, they would be hilarious.

A little editing software. They're all set. So I want somebody to do that because I don't have the patience to sit down and do it. But anyway, yeah, I can see, yeah, in the brick, not the brick. Yeah, you can see there are no adults. other than the mom, which the character that...

I love that guy. I know. He made... I was okay with the movie for the longest time, and then when he's in it, especially the person that plays him, it's perfect. Perfect character, perfect part of the movie, perfect reveal.

The pin? The pin, yeah. The pin's kind of a local spook store. You know the kingpin. I've heard it.

Same thing. Supposed to be old, like 26, lives in town. Dope runner, right? Big time. See, the pin pipes it from the lowest scrapper to Brad Bramish himself.

Maybe. I mean, ask any dope right where the. Junk sprang, and they'll say they scraped it off that, who scored it off this, who bought it off someone after four or five connections, the list always ends with a pin. But I bet you you got every rat in town together and said, show your hands if any of them actually seen the pin, and you'd get a crowd of full pockets. You think the pin's just a tail to take whatever heat?

Hmm. But what's first? Show of hands. I swear, when he starts going on about Tolkien, I mean, that is from my childhood. That is from when I was skipping school in ninth grade, and then the girls you would hang out knew some guy that had an apartment near, and it was some dumpy little place, and he was a pothead.

But, you know, he was a thoughtful older guy, a college guy. Who dropped out. A really old guy, like 26? Yeah, something like that. Or something like that.

But then he'd just want to get stoned and lay around and say, man, I really like the way he describes things. See? Some kids do have that life. It's just not you or I, Greg. But that was one of my favorites.

He's really old, like 26. Exactly, yeah. And then the lamp and the That is funny. In the car. Yes.

I remember you pointing that out. That was beautiful. Well, everything about him almost makes no sense, but yet is completely what he is. He almost needs that to be anyone, because otherwise he's a skinny, dorky guy. So you almost need this outfit and the cane.

And the fact that he has a big eagle sculpture sitting next to this tiny little desk. Like everything about this, first of all, you go in this horribly finished basement. And I can say that. I grew up in a finished basement. So I just look at it and go, oh, God, is that my house?

So, yeah, it's this cheesy finished basement with paneling on the walls. We all went into that basement at some point. Well, I mean, I kept looking at it going, God, look how low the ceiling is. Oh, no way. I could reach up and touch my ceiling in the basement.

Yep, that's right. That's exactly what it's like. So, yeah, this horrible finished basement. Was that the same basement from The Wedding Singer? I think it was.

But it's like, what sort of kingpin is in this terrible finished basement? But it's so true. Like, those older guys that you knew when you were in high school, like, looking back. On it, it's your proportion changes. God, those guys were unbelievable dorky losers.

Dorks. But they were the guys who would hang out with you when you were in high school. With lame 16-year-olds. But yeah, I don't know. Everything about him, like the whole outfit, the fact that he has to have the...

The room is almost bare, but he has the giant eagle sculpture. You know, he is a fully developed character. Even.... Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character is a good character, but he really is the guy that stuff just happens to. And he reacts well.

He's slick about reacting. He still carries the movie for a moment. But he's not a character in so much as, well, in the same way that the pen is. The pen's almost a caricature. He is so exaggerated in what he's supposed to be.

But do you think somebody knew that guy? Maybe pieces of him. Well, it does give you that feeling. He's so fully imagined that you start to think he had to exist. Because who could like...

Nobody would have. the imaginative nerve to make him up, because they go, no, yeah, right. Or to put that sculpture there. Yeah. Who goes, when they're writing in front of their computer, who goes, well, I've got to have that in... No, they saw it.

Or a lamp hanging like halfway in the room, like a ceiling lamp. It's one of those. It's like when you watch a movie... And the plot meanders and things happen and you think somebody's. Writing a memoir here because.

Nobody would make anything up so aimless or random. Yeah. Well, he did say he stole the outfit from Barnabas from Dark Shadows. Yeah. That's like exactly what he based that outfit on.

But it seems like the kid would almost like do that too. And I'm thinking, yeah, that's far-fetched, but look at the way a lot of kids dress anyway. It's like, so it's like, is it really any different than somebody who goes to all the trouble that a lot of the goth kids do or the punk kids do? It's like they put equally as much effort into their appearance in a different way, but it's equally as weird and exaggerated, and so I'm like, yeah, it's still believable when you compare it to some of the other stuff. Yeah.

Such a funny movie. I do think, I mean... it's really interesting, especially at the time. I remember this was sort of the first thing I saw and really saw Joseph Gordon-Levitt do something else. Like he was still just that dorky kid from TV. And then this was sort of the turning point.

Like this was before he got, he got hooked up with, you know, doing Inception or he's in all of his movies now. Yeah. He's in Inception. He's going to be in the next Batman. So yeah, now he's, Now he's doing, like, super A-list kind of stuff.

So, yeah, it's interesting to look back just a few years, and, yeah, this is sort of his, like, turning point, at least in my mind, that, like, this was the first time I saw him and kind of went, oh, okay, he'd done a couple other movies, but I don't think I'd seen anything. He was in that, what was the teenage kid with Heath Ledger? Oh, Ten Things I Hate About You. Ten Things I Hate About You? Yeah.

No. But again, he's the side character. He's still likable in that. I like him. Because I hadn't even watched Third Rock from the Sun.

For some reason, I watched that movie. I think because somebody pulled that same old, oh, it's the taming of the shrew. You know how directors or writers will have a movie and then they'll say, Oh, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a King Lear. No, it's a teen movie and it sucks. And part of the plot was like that.

And somebody pointed a lot of that out after the fact, and you're using it just to sell this movie. That's what I got out of it. And I think I may have watched it because of that. And I was like, I'm pissed off at this maybe. And, and I remember taking away from it that I really liked Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

I was like, he, he is that kid. I know that kid. Um, And then I started watching old reruns because I liked John Lithgow, but then I started watching old reruns. He's so good in that, yeah. I mean, at least in that type of thing, of him doing comedy, it's like he's, you know...

Well, again, John Lithgow's pretty awesome as well, but those two are like the main... The other two are just kind of the goofy ones, but yeah, those two sort of have the real sense of humor in that show. He did such a good job of playing... an adult playing a kid. Yeah. That, um, it's, it's bad that it was on a TV show that not a lot of people, I mean, it lasted several years.

That's the other thing I was like, that thing was on for years. Like for something that wasn't a major hit, it wasn't like it was Seinfeld at the time. It was just, but yet it was on for like five or six years. Wasn't it? It was.

Yeah. How great of that though, to be able to spend five or six years as a kid with John. Yeah, that's true. Which is maybe why he's so good by the time he gets to this point. Right.

Yeah. Because he can be evil and turn around and be funny. And yet, yeah, be like slapstick kind of funny when need be. I hope he gets... I hope people appreciate him more.

Than they should. John Lithgow. I think he needs to be appreciated. Anyway. Sorry.

We're talking about Greg. Greg. But yeah, I don't know. There was something about him doing that role that sort of... He.

Really. carries it so much better than I would have expected coming from his dorky TV background that I was just like, I didn't know that he could pull a... Because again, he has to play this super dramatic, even if we're occasionally responding as though it's funny. Yeah, everybody had to keep a straight face through it and commit to it. He has to pull that off, which I think he does really well. He also does something I never would have expected as this dorky little kid on the TV show is He's kind of a badass.

And he's still the dorky little kid, but he finds a way to still carry himself where when he's smacking down the druggie in the parking lot, you buy it. And even more, the time that I laughed was when he starts talking shit to the football kid and just– he's a scrapper, you know? It's like he does not back down. And by the end, when he just belts him, yeah, I thought that was the most awesome thing I think I'd ever seen. When he just, yeah, he does not put up with his shit and then continues to just not go down.

He just keeps coming back for more and eventually beats him. That's just awesome. You know, a lot of time about overthrowing people like that is about... one upping them at the thing they're good at. And that's what he does. He's, he's cool enough and smart enough to realize this guy's thing is, you know, barking louder than, Than everybody else.

So I'm going to bark louder than him. And he pulls it off. Yeah, just calling him on it. And, you know, again, with most people that, you know, have to be a badass and pick on everybody else, it's like usually all you have to do is call him on it. That's the thing that carries that movie is making those interactions credible and they're observed well enough rather than just illustrated and you get the idea.

They make it convincing. Yeah. I think that's what, yeah. Cause even in that, it's like in a different circumstance, I'd be like, yeah, right. But there's something about the way he plays that kid that I'm like, no, he did it.

He just beat that dude. Same thing. Oh my. The other one I think is awesome is him. Like when the guy comes at him with a knife and again, him just kind of thinking on his feet and like he, he continually like bests everyone that comes at him and he gets his ass beat throughout this movie as it goes on.

But it's like, he's, again, like, like, you know, your normal character in one of these noir stories, they take a beating, but he, he hangs in there and like, he keeps at it, you know, no matter what. Do you think, um, the weight of death of the death was handled as, as well as it should be? I mean, do you feel the tone of the importance of, Hey, somebody died is, is, is carried, even though it is kind of funny throughout the movie, you know. In a way, I think it, to me, that part felt, again, referencing different movies, it felt a lot like River's Edge. Like, it really was one of those, this should be a big deal, but these kids are so messed up, they're just kind of like, huh, I don't know how to feel about that, you know?

It's like, he was upset about her, but he seemed like everybody else just sort of got over it really fast. Right. And then, you know, just dealt with the other stuff at hand. So I think it was more of that that I took from it is like these kids, there's so much stuff going on. They're so like caught up in their own little world and desensitized everything to the point where, you know, their friend gets killed and they're just like, well, okay.

You know, that happened to her, but I've got this to worry about. I think that's why he's able to get at everybody else is because it is more important to him. He does see the weight of it and he wants to, in a way, honor her and her death or whatever by completing it. And so therefore he's, he's already got them beat. And that's, I think, I guess, especially by the end, I realized that was also kind of the drive because he was also sort of pissed at her, you know, I mean, she, she'd kind of screwed him over and went off and left him for this world that she was involved in basically.

And you get that little flashback and she's like, I'm in a different world now and you can't beat it is what she says. And it's almost like this, challenge of even when she's gone yeah i can or i'm going to do my damnedest to one-up everybody that's in your little world because you told me i couldn't and i yeah i think that I don't know, that seemed like a really driving force to me that's never really spoken otherwise. But I think it very much that, you know, you can't beat... You, you know, our relationship isn't strong enough to beat this world that I'm in. And he's like, fuck that, I'll still do it.

Even when you're gone, I'm still going to follow through with this. Yeah, and that's a little bit like the motivating force in The Vanishing. Yeah. Which is very credible, and it makes. i mean it makes a character who you only see for maybe five minutes like loom large in the movie just because um it's a question of you know whether you're abandoning you're going to abandon. Them or not Yeah, I think it becomes more about that idea because it's almost in her best interest that we don't see more scenes with her.

Because the ones I do, I'm like, she's not worth all this trouble. She's not a. Good character at all. We don't care about her. No.

We don't care that she's dead. I mean, as the viewer. And we don't care. And it seems like a real relationship because there are those people you know or have been in this situation where after the fact you look at it and go, What was I so enamored with? You know, why did I stick with that for as long as I did when really they weren't a good person or there was nothing there?

Or, you know, why was I so caught up in what was going on? Who did I think they were? Yeah, a little distance and you're just like, oh, God. You're like, why did I want to have anything to do with any of what was going on there? You know, people get blind to the ideal person.

And obtaining that ideal. Yeah. And don't even pay attention to the reality of whatever that prize is. That's what I thought was kind of cool in this little back and forth between all the other characters. Because it's like all the other characters saw her for who she really was.

And how messed up she was. And how, like, it was. You know, that's why I think some of them aren't as upset either. Right. Because they're like, well, we saw this coming.

Where she's still sort of this ideal thing in his mind. Yeah. And that, you know, true love that won't go away. And, you know, he hasn't been around her for a while. And then all of a sudden she's just destroyed.

So I think there is, yeah, I think that's part of what I think. That's all very, very credible. Yeah. Because, I mean, whenever anybody really cares about anybody, you can always go, well, why? I mean, there's a thousand other people anywhere you go.

I mean, why? And usually after the fact, your friends were like, yeah, we didn't really see it at all. You know, afterwards, you're always like, yeah, we didn't want to tell you, but... So I think that has that real feel, too, that everybody else around him sees her for who she really is, and he's blind to it. He's blind to it, but then, I don't know.

I mean, that's always how it is. I mean, nobody's really that great anyway. But if you thought that, why would you be with them? So you do have to be in that mindset of... of there is something that keeps me with this person. There's something about them that means something to you and, and you can't help it.

Definitely. And that, that thing about, you know, how he keeps winning is he cares more. That's so true. I mean, I'm, uh, the only like experience I have with fighting and violence goes back to that period of, time in my life, and really, you did not want to be in a fight with somebody when they were more angry than you were. I mean, you needed to be able to be mad, because, I mean, you can't be in a fight when you don't want.

To hurt somebody. You're going to lose. Well, the other thing is... You have to be strongly motivated. You don't want to... be in a fight with someone who has nothing to lose.

Yeah. And you don't want to be in a fight with has a great amount to lose. Yeah. Both, both at the same time. Yeah.

Well, that's again, back to what we'd said weeks ago on the, on the funny games. Yeah. That was that same thing. I was like, when you don't care about anything, you're also kind of powerful. So to this, you know, with him, it's like when she was the only thing he cared about, now all of a sudden you see this change in him and he's not that clean cut kid he is in the flashbacks he doesn't care so he's gonna talk shit to the football player because the only thing he had he's the only thing i loved is what he says to her it's like you take that away at that point he's kind of like fuck it you know it's just like i will immerse myself in the middle of this and if i get killed in the process who cares because the only thing i cared about is gone now so it is sort of that power of you know once you don't care once you take away your inhibitions because you know there's nothing left for you yeah it kind of makes you powerful in a weird twisted way.

Yeah there's a lot of truth and in that movie and in the the noir genre in general did i say in general the. Genre in general the genre in general. It is fun how much it it finds a way to tie in so much. The first thing I notice is those loafers he's wearing. I'm like, no high school kid, maybe a few in the theater department, but no normal kid like he is would ever be wearing those kind of shoes, but a gumshoe in the 40s would be wearing those scuffed up loafers.

I thought that was kind of a cool little touch to it. My freshman year in high school, we couldn't wear tennis shoes anymore. And everyone else had Eastlands then. That was when they were the craze. And I intentionally didn't want Eastlands.

And my mom said, well, you're going to have to buy something. And I just wouldn't go out and buy because I didn't want to make that commitment. And she came home with a pair of heavy penny loafers, black. And I hated them at the time. But then there was a friend of mine later in life.

He said... you know what I always liked about you? You didn't wear the Eastland and you wore those big, awful penny loafers and you didn't care. And I was like, I. Did care. But I'm not going to let you know that.

That's awesome. So, yeah. I mean, it's amazing one of those wins that you get by default and you don't realize it. Yeah. So.

Definitely. Yeah. Anyway, so I was one of the kids that would wear the loafers. That reminds me of a guy I used to work with who, uh, he said he and his roommate, like, were slobs, but they were setting up a birthday party for a friend, and they were hiring strippers. And so they start cleaning up the place.

Because strippers were coming over. Yeah. We're going to have this thing. Strippers are coming. I'll take the bathroom.

You do the. And they clean up. And the guy, he was kind of a jerk on I had trouble relating to him. He told me, before I ever saw the South Park movie, I believe he told me the entire thing orally, but laughing all the way through it, so I couldn't understand what he was saying. But he had the strippers come over, and then midway through the evening, he said, Oh.

Look, this chick only has three fingers on her hand. And I'm like, dude, that's so rude when somebody's naked to point out something. They're imperfectionists. He was like, oh, she didn't care. She's not going to act like she cares.

She's the one to get paid. Yeah, you're a jerk, man. And he was telling me, he read War and Peace. He said, I just couldn't take that one annoying guy. I'm like, Pierre?

What? Yeah, that guy. He just got on my nerves. He was so annoying. He was a funny guy.

He was from Louisville. He had straight black hair, and he wore big foreign student glasses. He looked like the Japanese. Guy on Gilligan's Island who didn't know the war was over. And for some reason in college, he took Mandarin.

That was his thing. But he couldn't understand. People always thought he was a foreign student. And they would speak to him, and. He said, I don't get it.

Why do people always think that? And I'm like, I didn't want to tell him. I think it's the foreign student glasses. But he spoke Mandarin. He was out at a bar one night, and some guy was saying he had these instructions in Chinese, and he needed them translated.

And he's like, yeah, I can do that. I can do that for you. And then the guy's wife leans over and says, how long have you been in this country? He's like, about 26 years. I'm beginning to learn your ways.

It really frustrated him, but I could never just bust out and tell him, dude, it's the look. And he met Lynn once. He came back from lunch, and he said, I think I met your wife, but I don't know what I did, man. I don't know. I'm sorry, whatever.

And he mumbled, too. So I hear his side of the story. He meets my wife. She was at Mid-City Mall with the kids. He walks up and says, oh, hi, are you Fred's wife?

And he doesn't know. She seems confused. But I piece together the dialogue from hearing both versions of it and what happened. I asked her, did you meet this guy? She's like, no, there was some foreign student came up and asked me if I spoke French.

And I didn't really, but I don't know. I couldn't really help him. I couldn't understand what he was saying. So what he said was, hi, are you Fred's wife? And she thought he said, do you speak French?

And she said, no. really a little bit. Can I help you? She says that every time someone asks, really? I mean, truthfully, a little bit, a little bit. Really?

Can I help you? Yeah. So anyway, that's that, that story. It reminds me because I don't know, uh, the guy seems like he could have walked into the world of brick and found a place somewhere in there. Next to brain.

Yes. Yeah. Does everybody have that super smart friend? I think so. I don't have one.

That's not fair. I want my super smart friend. Yeah. Well, I just like, again, it felt very noir that, you know, there's always that guy that they go to that gets them what they need or that is their connection and is the information and, So he just sort of fit all of these kind of crammed into one guy. And then you definitely have the femme fatale.

You're quite a pill. Uh-uh. Where are you going? Home. Why'd you take a powder the other night?

Same reason I'm taking one now. Hold it. I want to help you. Go away. Look, I can't trust you.

You ought to be smart enough to know that. I didn't shake up the party to get your attention, and I'm not healing you to hook you. Your connections could help me, but the bad baggage they bring and make it zero-sum gain, or even hurt me. Better off coming at it clean. I wouldn't have to lead you in by the hand.

I can't trust you. Brad was a sap. You weren't. You're with him, so you're playing him. So you're a player.

If you're behind me, I'd have to tie one eye up watching both of your hands. I can't spare it. You're not Brad. I don't know. Yeah.

Laura definitely is, but you've even got those other ones. You've got, like, the theater girl that's, like, the past flame Femme Fatale thrown in as, like. An extra little deal to mess with. Oh, yeah. That's the one, like, all the scenes with her, I was like, that's the drama.

No pun intended since she's in the drama department. But I'm just like, she is the kind of girl that is in everybody's high school. And everything about her really is, like, drama. Yeah. And she knows it, and she likes it, and kind of feeds off of it and toys with other people.

She stirs stuff up. Yeah, and that's the part that I was like, this kind of stuff is going on in different degrees, not quite as exaggerated, but that stuff is all going on in every high school. Yeah. And what I remember about her, that type, in my experience, is she's always stirring up drama, and it somehow, it like, She's like that person who doesn't get in wrecks, but she causes them. Nice.

You know, she's through. The intersection when the other cars hit each other. But then she gets other people caught. Up in it, and they do it, and they get burned. Oh, of course.

That's her job. Yeah. It's like her friends will start to get in on it and try and stir up stuff. Oh, and it'll burn. Bite them in the ass because they don't know how to cause drama without.

It sticking to them. Being swept up in it. Yeah, there's a lot of truth in that character. And the other one I thought, the character that I was like, okay, now it's so much, I mean, it's so hitting every beat of the noir kind of thing. The vice principal guy is, he's the cop.

We know you're clean. And you've. Despite your motives, you've always been an asset to this office. And you're a good kid. Uh-huh.

I want to run some names past you. Hold it. We're not done here. I was done here three months ago. I told you then I'd give you Jer, and that was that.

I'm not your inside line, and I'm not your boy. That's not very... You know what I'm in if the wrong Yegg saw me pulled in here? What are you in? No.

And no more of these informal chats either. You got a discipline issue with me? Write me up or suspend me. I'll see you at the parent conference. Hold on.

I could write you up for talking back to a VP. And for looking at me in that threatening way. I would exercise a little tact, Mr. Fry. You can't pull a.

Stunt like that unless there's something I need you for. So is there? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe there's something you need from me.

Maybe. All right, I need you off my back completely for the next few weeks. There might be some heat soon. If it's something I can't cover, I won't go to bat for you. If I get caught like that, it's curtains anyway.

I can't have brass cutting me favors in public. Just letting you know now so you don't come kicking in my homeroom door once trouble starts. Okay. Okay, here's what I can do. I won't pin you for anything you aren't caught at.

But if anything comes up with your prints on it, I can't help you. Also, if I get to the bottom of whatever this is, and it gets too hot, and you don't deliver, we're going to need someone to turn over, police-wise. I'll have you. So there better be some meat at the end of this, like you say. Or at least a fall guy.

He has him in his office. He's giving him that, you've got the goods on me, and we're going to use you. I won't come down on you. I mean, it's almost word for word what every cop behind a desk gives our hero in every movie. It's like he's playing the cop role.

And the whole thing, it's like the way that they present it is like, I'm going to tell the police this in a noir movie, and I'm going to tell the principal about you in this movie. But it's exactly the same. I thought that was kind of well done, and again, just sort of meshing these worlds into this weird little combination. And that's what makes you laugh, is when you see those, oh, that's... It's that.

Well, there's that story stuff, and then I was just going to go into how impressed I was with ryan johnson direction wise especially for his first movie oh yeah this this was his first feature it's. Well it's so well done for a guy who doesn't know how to spell his own name it's just amazing. Take that ryan yeah but yeah i mean there's so many different shots along the way that i'm like that's really creative and again maybe it's because he's so early on it's like sometimes maybe you have those ideas caught up and You haven't worked in a studio system long enough for them to beat the originality out of you. Yeah. So, yeah.

Well, and two, just once you have more money, sometimes it's hard. You have too many options. It becomes like shopping, and shopping takes the creativity out of it. Yeah. I don't always like to have too much money.

Yeah, me neither. I've just heard from people who talk about recording back in the old days, And they would have to get creative and do things to get the sound they want. And now that you can just do anything you want, it's not the same. It doesn't engage your creativity in the same way. Just to go, oh, well, let's tweak these knobs this way or let's tweak these knobs the other way.

And so a lot of early recordings have a kind of charm to them that's. Hard to imitate. when it gets to this easy think about like when you talk about sound like when you when you talk about somebody that's playing with sound that we take for granted now think about the things that phil specter was doing with music that it wasn't genius as far as what was written or or the musicality of it but the sound that Do you mean the wall of sound? Yes. That sound? And it was.

I mean, that wasn't just, well, we're going to do this now. That was like a mad scientist type of, I've got an idea. There was never anything before that. And you hear those songs now, especially like when, what's the Christmas one that comes on that was the Ronnie Spector? Anyway.

But when you hear that, you're like, oh. And it's got that distinct sound. You could press a button and have that sound now, but back then you couldn't do that. You had to layer and layer and layer. Whatever happened to his noir drama?

That was a noir drama. That was a noir drama. What happened to him? Did he get off? I believe he did.

I don't even remember at this point. But he is the mad scientist. He is. Look at his hair. I get you.

I'm being bad with derailing tonight. I'm sorry. Or good with it, depending on how you. Well, I think it is. It does sort of make you more creative when you have to be that way.

When you don't have any way or anybody else there to help you. When you're like, okay, I've got to figure out how to... transition from this scene to that scene or i've got to show the passage of time and instead of you know some elaborate montage i'm just gonna sit on the clock as it switches over to hours later and go on with that. About some of those things like he filmed some of the scenes. Backwards yeah yeah some of the again especially when he gets into the weird like dream scenes you see a. Car coming yeah when the camera comes in front of.

It they did that by Reversing the car away from the camera. Yeah, really clever stuff. And the kind of in-the-camera kind of stuff because you don't have to pay for that. It's sort of playing with what you have at your disposal, which is not that much at this point. I mean, it took him, I think, six years to get funding for this.

Like, he wrote it. that far back and then spent six years trying to get money to put all this together. Some of it was like family money they came into and that got other people to invest in the pressure on him you know must have been pretty intense. Yeah so for him to deliver something that's still this tight and this everything about it is still pretty impressive as far as i'm concerned that that's that's especially since you see and this is probably a good example of what happens when you get more money? I mean, he followed this up with the brothers bloom, which I don't think is near as good. And now he's working with Oscar nominated actors and like, you know, I'm sure they're throwing tons of money at him compared to this movie.

I mean, maybe not versus huge blockbusters, but compared to this movie, I mean, he's got a hell of a lot more money to work with, but to me it doesn't hold up the same. There are good performances and there's fun stuff in there, But there's something missing about it. El Mariachi. I don't know. Yeah, kind of that same thing.

Very similar thing. Something different there. The early one was so creative and had that comic book sensibility. It was so good, and then they remade it. I was like, what is this?

It's too polished for its own good sometimes. This just kind of falls right in that spot where it's kind of got everything... working the way it needs to and isn't cluttered by you know what comes with doing huge movies i guess but yeah this i don't know there's just just the way that he shoots it i think the uh you do notice like watching it how many of these upshots he does and how much he bothers to put ceilings and you know he sort of boxes the characters in in ways that a lot of movies don't do it's It's something you don't see in a lot of movies, especially like mainstream movies. You don't see the ceiling in a room. And the fact that he bothers to do that, it's very Citizen Kane-like. But even that, it's sort of imposing.

And it does kind of show what the character is in. He's sort of boxed into this situation. And it sort of adds attention to it that I don't think you would have in a normal straight shot. So again, I think it's just creative in that point, but I think that is a little bit of planning too, that he really did think about what the shots are saying about the movie itself, the character. I think, yeah, I think it's just, just well put together visually.

And again, has a little, to me, another little winch touch to it. That whole plastic bag thing is very linty. Yeah. It's very, especially, I mean, dead girl by the water side. Sure.

That's Twin Peaks wrapped in plastic. That's Twin Peaks. So it's like he definitely, again, it's not that weird way. But some of those weird dream sequences have a little touch to that. Yeah, you can definitely see a little lynch in him.

Lynch pen. No. Lynch and pen. Good job. Good job.

Brian's saying no, but I'm saying good job. I did like, again, we referenced the Peanuts thing. The other thing I thought that was almost very cartoon-like in this is they all have the same outfits on. Yeah. At least the guys.

The girls, I guess, change because they're girls. But, like, our main character is in that same outfit for days on end or has a whole closet full of them, you know, Einstein-like. It's got the Scooby-Doo quality. Yeah, it does have. Or the Jimmy Herman, you know.

But, like, the pin is always in that outfit. Tug is always in that outfit. It's like every, you know, character, even the jock guy is always in his little football outfit. It's like, you know, everything is like, it is. It's almost like a little cartoon character. world that they live in and it's like everything goes on.

Shaggy's green shirt. Even at the point Fred's ascot. He's still wearing that coat. Even at the point the guy slices it open he's got a piece of duct tape on it. He continues on with the story.

I am not getting rid of this outfit. That's great. I don't know. I just think there's so many things that are well done in it and I think. It's a highly recommended must-watch.

I've recommended it to many people since I first saw it. It's the kind of movie you can watch twice within the first year you see it. It's just you've got to get over that hurdle of the speech. I think that would turn off a good amount of people. But if you're okay with that, it's just so... tightly put together, and the performances are so good, even as weird as they are sometimes, Tug's a weird character.

It's easy to miss little things in the speech. If you go back, I watched Maltese Falcon with my kid, and you have to kind of get keyed up to follow, because they'll just spit it out, and you. Have to keep up. They don't care whether you get it or not. Yeah you're in their world you know they are in their own little world and everybody within that understands it so you just you're kind of playing catch up as you get thrown into it and you're like wait oh okay I see what they're doing hold.

On so yeah the fat man in that was a pretty weird dude too he was always asking what kind of a man are you are you this kind of a man I don't like that kind of man I like a kind of. A man what. Bizarre But yeah, they definitely draw... Actually, one of the lines is straight out of Maltese Falcon. I think, what was it?

The dangerous line? Yeah, when he's talking to Laura, he's like, now your dangerous line is straight out of Maltese Falcon. Wow. And even the little horn signal that he tells her in the car, the long, short, long, short, is the same doorbell signal that he tells her in Maltese Falcon. So it's very obviously... pulling from that it's not pretending like it doesn't know what it's doing it's directly sort of referencing that to again I think bring you in on the joke if it's a joke if it's a joke I don't even know that it.

Is it's just it's its own little world and I think it's just that and as long as you're okay with that yeah I think it's really well put together I think there are enough just clearly funny things in it that it lets you know that It's not unconsciously open to humor. It's just not playing toward it. I think, I don't know. I'm still hung up. I love the movie.

I don't want to get negative about it. But I still have this unsettled, this is so unrealistic. It's so stylized. But real bad guys would come in and kill these kids right away. You know, you're not going to mess around with heroin.

Which bad guys are we talking about? The pen? No, I mean. He's far from an organized bad guy. I mean real criminals that you don't see in this movie.

Real drug dealers. Real gangsters. Oh, somebody up the line from the pen? Right. Okay.

Are going to come in and say, you little kids, wah, wah, wah. I think we just didn't get to that point. And it didn't matter because... They took care of the problem themselves. And maybe they're all so small-time anyway.

I think that's why they were so worried is, again, somewhere up the line, somebody's going to have to pay, probably with their life, whether it be the pin or tug or whoever. I think somebody's going to be responsible for that, and that's probably why they're at each other's throats by the end there. I think we just didn't get to that point. I guess that's it. I just.

We get to that point in Blue Velvet where her dad arrives on the scene at the last minute and he looks around. Okay. And I always thought that was such an interesting moment. Because you're not. Sure about him, what exactly is going on and who he's connected with.

And he comes in and he looks around. Alright then, everybody who I need to worry about is dead, so no need to get into this. Done with this one, alright. I'm going to play this straight like I'm a cop, because that's what's left. Well, I think on this movie, I saw someone's response to it later that was like, this is a smart movie, maybe too smart for its own good.

Yeah. Which, I don't know if that's what you're thinking. I don't, again, to me, that almost goes back to, again, Funny Games. Funny Games had that, we're going to wink at the camera, and we know, I mean, there's so much on that one where they're shoving it in your face. how smart they are and how much they're playing with you. I don't think this movie ever does that.

I think it's smart, but at the same time, it knows... It still works as a movie. It knows how to... I mean, it plays it so straight. It never really winks at the camera, ever.

It plays. It knows it's its own little world, and it kind of gives you that option of, if you're on board with it, if you want to get over that and come into the story, it sort of immerses you into their little world that they exist in. Right. And from that point on... I think, you know, you just sort of go along with the ride.

And if you're cool with it, it's a pretty good ride. Yeah. No, no, it's, no, it's, it's, yeah, it's great in that. No, if you're going to funny games is preachy. Yeah.

It is. It's like, he's telling you something. And the thing that finally doesn't work for me, I keep. I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.

You're not interrupting. Go. I want to hear it. Well, just when you get to the end and they throw her out of the boat and they're like, Oh, well, there was still an hour to go. And, Yeah, actually, I was kind of getting hungry.

Who does that sound like? That sounds like me sitting on the sofa watching a movie. That doesn't work, though. It doesn't work because the nervous system of the movie, it doesn't carry back to the beginning of the movie. It's manipulative.

I can see how it's a commentary on a movie. But it doesn't work for me as a movie because it doesn't earn where it goes. It's very manipulative. I will give it credit for doing some things good, but it's massively manipulative. I enjoy watching it.

It just doesn't add up for me. There were some scenes where my mouth was open. I was like, you did a pretty good job. There's some great stuff. But it's the director going...

I'm doing a pretty good job of this. Look at this shot. And you still don't understand. That's the part that I don't like. Yeah, the thing that I don't like, or the way I would put the thing that I don't like, is it's like in Pulp Fiction.

It's like Tarantino. It's like, don't Jimmy me. There's nothing you're going to tell me. There's no commentary he's going to make about movies that is so insightful or brilliant that it's going to make me forget that. I love my wife.

There's nothing he's... I'm the one that buys the fucking coffee. I buy the coffee and I buy the good shit because I want to taste it. That's what it's like for me. I resist it and I kind of reject it because it doesn't convince me.

And then in the end, it's like he's characterizing the audience. And it's like, no, dude, you don't get to do that. You haven't earned that. I don't think this ever does that. It's like this one, the only thing that would fall into that category is, aside from the dialogue, it gets cute in the way that it is.

But again, it's just knowingly accepting what it is. But aside from that, the plot never gets cute, never tries to do anything other than tell a story. And I think that's what works so well. It sticks to its business. Yeah.

It doesn't try to rope you into anything else. It's just like, this is the story we're telling and this is the way we're going to go about telling it. But from there on out, it's, it's just a straightforward story and one that works pretty good. No, I, I, I love the way he dealt with time in the film. I love the way, no, everything about it is, um, is, is, as perfect as you're going to get in a movie.

I'm not saying it's a perfect movie, but it's as perfect as you're going to get. It's pretty impressive for... I mean, just for a movie in general, and especially for somebody on their first feature, it's still kind of amazing that it comes together this well. And even something as simple as the music plays in really well, which his cousin did. Again. being broke it's like his cousin writes music and it's like he was you know here do this and it's like this weird like sometimes it's just piano and sometimes it's this really tense little plinking of keys and then other times it's like the fight kicks in at the end and there's like blaring trumpets going on like it's very kind of eclectic with all the different stuff that they throw in and yet it gives it its own sort of signature sound and works really well with the tension in the where it needs it and I don't know I think even just as well pieced together as all that stuff is it's pretty impressive anything else for the break.

Good movie yeah see it if you got. Yeah hopefully you've already seen it I know alright I guess that rounds out this week's sofa theater feature we do have feedback. Yay and this one feedback Actually, it came in a while ago, but it's one of those I've kind of just been waiting to get to and waiting for the party involved to actually be on hand. So the title of this one, this time we hear from Brad, and the title is Carpenter Wasn't My Babysitter, Sadly. He says, Hello, Meltdowners.

In my ongoing quest to find new quality podcasts, I stumbled across Movie Meltdown's Carpenter Was My Babysitter episode. After I got back up, I listened to it and really enjoyed it. I live in Bowling Green, and my uncle met Carpenter and Adrian Barbeau at Western in the 80s. Halloween is my favorite film of all time, so it's nice to hear someone from Bowling Green representing. Not only do we not have a statue of him in town, we don't even have a sign or a plaque.

Maybe I'll work on that. Anyways, thanks, and I'll be listening to more. Brad. Check out the brain on Brad. You've got somebody representing from the.

I think I know why he was there in the 80s. He did go and talk there. My mom saw him. And I guess Adrian and the twins came along. It was probably when they did The Fog.

Yeah. You're probably right. Awesome. So yeah, I thought that was cool and just wanted to be sure and pass it along while you were here, Fred. Yeah, cool.

Thank you once again to Brad. Yeah, there is at Western, there's a log house down at the foot of the hill next to a little building that used to be a burger place. And John Carpenter's parents actually lived in the cabin. It was faculty housing back then. Now it's part of the Kentucky Museum stuff.

But that's the way I've heard the story. Because John Carpenter's parents live there. Yeah. And they should put a plaque on it and a statue out front. That's right.

All right. Anything else to round out this week? Well, somebody mentioned to me that they guess Jess doesn't have a plaque up at Atherton. I think we should do something about that. Yeah, I think we should.

Why not? We'll see if we can get that petition going to get our new inductee into the little gang here. I don't know if she's willing, but we're taking her anyway. Hey, she's been on three episodes. Yeah, that's true.

That she's in. Whether she likes it or not, she's part of the family. That's right. Okay. Otherwise, I guess we can get the hell out of here.

Yeah, bye everybody. That about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.

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