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Movie Meltdown - Episode 160 This week we fling open the doors to the coffee shop and expand the cast to a bigger and better level! And what better way to welcome the new members to the show, then to immerse them into trauma. That’s right, this week we kick off another session of The Grind where we discuss “Traumatic Movies“… or movies that scarred me for life. What results is more traumatic talk then one show can contain!  And along the way, we also bring up… Man on a Ledge, making kids watch a Bergman film, Michael Fassbender, Haywire, Snake Eyes, Super, Channing Tatum, the dog with the human head, turn up the smoky, when your friends won’t shut up during the movie, that face women do that says… do me, intentionally schlocky, Candy-Colored Clown, scanning TV Guide for the horror movies, Charlotte’s Web, offending Nazis, Steven Soderbergh, The Vow, I just watched Krull 25 times in a row, it was the first time it occurred to me that so many naked women could be so boring, Iago, G.I. Joe 2, the movie you hate… that everyone else loves, I think that movie is going to responsible for so many break-ups, Lassie kills a guy, you know, there are lots of different kinds of trauma, Fran Drescher, it’s like Dwight Schrute in Taxi Driver, 1001 Amish Insults, Gina Carano, The Naked City, Dennis Hopper, the AFI lists and the trauma of Little Man. “It was like, FINALLY - I thought I’d got my kids to the level of trauma I’ve been looking for…”

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To provide more cooling in the containment chambers. To your sentinels, we have a movie meltdown. I'm a little too traumatized to have a scone. Way down among Brazilians, coffee beans grow by the billions. So they've got to find those.

Extra cups to fill. They got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil. What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. I'm Greg.

I'm Lucy. I'm Fred. I'm Marlena. And this week we actually have a packed house. We're actually loaded, possibly with more people than we ever had on the show, which should be interesting.

So we would like to welcome Alan. Hello. And Bo. Howdy. If you guys would like to bill yourself as specific levels of geekdom or connections to.

He announced you first. I think you should go first. Hello. I'm Alan. I'm a freelance movie blogger currently writing for Louisville.com.

Just click on the Movies tab and you'll find me. And he wrote that piece on Movie Meltdown, which if you haven't passed on to everyone you know, you're just not doing your job as a listener. That's just me. I, you know, whatever. Whatever you want to do, slackers.

So, Beau? I've been managing up at Baxter Avenue Theaters for more years than I care to admit to. And my main thing there is I program the midnight movies. All right. It's time for another session of the Caffeinated Movie Geek.

Cappuccino, my butt. I still drink coffee. The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee. It's time for Decaffeinated Movie Geek. We are coming to you live from Nancy's Babel Grounds via digital recording, where we get together, drink coffee, and talk movies and yammer on for hours on end.

So, Marlena, I ask you, and luckily you're not getting the trio of us doing it this week, so I ask you, what blend of coffee are we drinking this week? Fishers and Fallers. All right. And I'm sorry that I sound like Fran Drescher. I've had a cold.

Um. If we can convince people we got Fran Drescher. I don't know that anybody would care. They might actually stop it, right? Yeah, that's true.

Never mind. I mean, she was a babe in her day. I'm not going to... I will fight people over denying that. You just have to go back really far.

Remember Spinal Tap? She was getting Spinal Tap. Exactly. Exactly. No.

All right. We're trying to control our geek activities week to week now. So unless we're just going to do an all-out episode, which I don't know that we're going to do this time around. So we're just going to pick and choose who gets to do what this week. So we'll do two.

You guys can fight over it. Lucy, I know you had a story. You want to claim it now? I don't know. I'm actually, I might be backpedaling on the story.

Okay. It just suddenly occurred to me that the person about whom the story is, we're asking for a favor. So maybe we should wait and see if he denies the favor, and then we'll tell the story. Okay. Have you watched anything else this week?

I have. Wait, was that what you had in mind? Whatever you want to do. Okay. Well, I did see, I've seen three movies this weekend.

Okay. You have a problem, by the way. Go ahead. I'm fully aware of that. I'm seeking no help.

I decided to do a Michael Fassbender doubleheader. So I saw Haywire on Friday, Pallet Cleanse on Saturday, which was the Man on a Ledge, and then went today to see Dangerous Method. So, which of those three would you like me to tell you about? Well, it doesn't take much to do a double feature of Michael Fassbender. Just go see two movies.

Right, two random movies. Anything you see at this point now has Michael Fassbender. Tell us what you thought about Shame. Review Shane. I haven't actually seen Shane.

It doesn't matter. Review him. It was really sexy. That's all I know about it. Michael Fassbender was amazing.

Let's see. I'll start. Should I just jump in there with Haywire? I don't know. Has anybody else seen it?

Am I the only one? I'm on my own. It's all you. I'm a woman on a ledge. Okay.

It was, I was confounded by it. I think ultimately I walked away liking it. Tonally, I couldn't really decide what was going on at first. My sort of experience with Steven Soderbergh is that obviously, you know, he sort of does these small, interesting movies. And then he does, you know, that maybe don't, that have a low budget and maybe don't look super great but have a lot to say.

And then he does these huge glossy movies that are kind of empty. Ocean's Eleven's good. Shut up. So this sort of seemed like the worst of all worlds. It was just like this action film that looked terrible.

I was going to say, I haven't seen it, but I heard one review and it was kind of that same thing. It was not so positive. But it actually, somewhere halfway through, won me over. I mean, it's intentionally schlocky it just it just looked I mean the quality of it was so poor it just looked like a really bad 90s independent film like just sort of like a genesis of I mean I can't even get into how bad it looked but it something happens like there's certain cues where I was like wait is this intentionally terrible and then I was like oh it is because this music is so ridiculously over the top like he's going for something here and she Gina Carano am I saying her name right I'm just going to guess fighter girl yeah the mixed martial arts lady yeah She can't act, God bless her heart, but.

It kind of worked. Better watch it. She'll kick your ass. But everything about it worked. I mean, it was super fun.

So anyway, I guess ultimately got a thumbs up. Super fun is. You know, super fun. Intentionally, what was it? Intentionally...

Intentionally schlocky. Schlocky. Yeah, because I mean, I guess it's supposed to be just kind of a gal kicking the dude's ass. Kind of movie. There's a lot of those lately.

Yeah. That's not a bad thing. But this was interesting because I don't think there's a waitress at the beginning, but I was trying to think if there was another female with lines, and I don't think that it really was. It was just sort of her navigating this male world. Does she have lines, or does she just kick people's ass?

Oh, she does. And apparently, she actually has this really sort of smoky, sultry voice, and I heard later that it was digitally manipulated. Turn up the smoky. They dubbed in Kathleen Turner. I'm going to kick your ass now.

I was a little shocked. I actually read that the budget was like $ 25 million and it's making me concerned that Steven Soderbergh maybe has a drug problem. I just don't know. There were lots of locations and I guess that's kind of his deal. He likes to travel around and hang out with his buddies.

And do drugs. Maybe you're going the wrong way. Maybe he just has a nice Swiss bank account somewhere. Just funnel that money and buy a nice house somewhere and be in another country where they can't be extradited. So that's what I got.

But actually, I thought, is it Misty that hates Channing Tatum? Do I remember her? Doesn't everybody hate Channing Tatum? I can't say in particular. Something I remember.

Reasonably speaking about how much they hate Channing Tatum, and there's actually a great line at the beginning because she's sort of on the run, and you're just being introduced to her character, and this car pulls up, and the first line of the film, Channing Tatum gets out of the car, and. She goes, oh shit. I'm like, that was kind of my reaction. I'm like, wait, he's in this? Oh shit.

It was strange you mentioned that too because somebody was telling me the other day they read somewhere that there's supposed to be some Hollywood movie about his life. I'm like, Really? Channing Tatum? Channing Tatum? They're doing a biopic at this stage?

Channing Tatum. Right. I gotta say, he kind of won me over in this one. Oh, God. Oh, wow.

Wait, wait, wait. Between that, and let me say something else. Between that and the trailer for, I'm sure you guys already know about this, but I'm behind on everything, The 21 Jump Street. Oh, God. Yeah.

With Jonah Hill? I thought it looked amazing. Oh, no. I'm alone in that? Oh, you're still alone on that one.

I was.... Which one's Johnny Depp? The thing that was really weird was he looks so different in that. Like, he looks like he gained, like, 40 pounds. Like, what happened between the last few projects?

And, like, all of a sudden, he looks like he's trying to catch up with Jonah Hill. I don't know what the deal is. Because, yeah, Jonah dropped some, and it's like, Channing picked it up. And I don't know. That was very strange.

Well, he's winning me over. I don't know. What's the new trailer that's out for the sappy movie that he's in, where the girl loses her memory? That movie is going to ruin so many Valentine's Days. I feel like that movie is going to be responsible for so many breakups.

Did you see what I posted about it? No. Because it's still, it's the first thing that came to mind. Mind. I saw that trailer and he's trying to emote and he's trying to be all nice to his memory-damaged wife and I just watch him and he has that look like a dog hears a funny noise, you know, and he's kind of turning his head and I was just, aw, look at that Channing Tatum.

He thinks he's people. Sorry, I just I can't watch him be serious. It's hard enough to watch him in G.I. Joe, for God's sakes. I can't watch him in a romance.

How would you watch G.I. Joe? Because Snake Eyes was there. Duh. Cobra Commander.

When I saw the trailer. For the second one, I was like, they made enough money. Yeah. But have you seen who they keep throwing in there? It looks like it's going to be a very different movie.

As much as I did not like the first one. It's going to be more like the cartoon. It might be. And you throw Bruce Willis in the middle of anything. Yeah, it's like.

Here's $ 40 million. Just put those two in G.I. Joe and I'm happy. That's perfect casting, actually. I wish it wouldn't have sucked the first time.

I'm still upset about the Marlon Wayans thing. In general, like his existence. Ever since I was forced to watch The Little Man. You got scammed on that one. I just about killed someone over that one.

Why did you even watch it? Just run. Yeah, never mind. It was one of those. You're going to stay with someone because they're sick and you're going to make sure they're okay.

And this was all that was available. Well, they were sick if they were watching. Yeah. So, so basically they got better. You died inside.

Right. The Wayne's mission is accomplished. You know, drinking too much. I don't even know. Castor oil or whatever.

And having a four minute fart and shit joke that you can write better than that. So it was, it was bad. Wow. Me bad. Sorry.

It's your geek week. Did you round out yours, Lucy? Yeah, I think so. I don't think we need to talk about. Hand on the Ledge.

If I saw three movies in a weekend, I felt like I'd won an award or something. Like, really? No, three out in theaters. Oh, yeah. No, out in theaters.

No, I see plenty at home. You get so under-exerted. After a while. Right. You get on a good movie marathon.

Sometimes I have to do push-ups. Right. You're like, oh, man, this cheek is hurting. I've got to sleep. It's like when VCRs first came out.

Holy cow, I can watch as many movies. As I want. And 17 later, you're like, oh, my God. I just watched Krull 25 times in a row. There's only three movies.

What do you want? That's the only movie I had was Krull, and I just kept watching it. Yeah, it's all Beastmaster for me. At least you had Beastmaster. Man, that was awesome.

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We're going to have a great night, ladies and gentlemen. And the Oscar goes to. Nicholson. Nick Ledger. Thank you so much.

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So I took some bologna and I wrapped it around a hot dog. Rupert Popkin. Mom! I'm having a show down here. What the fuck?

Keep it down. I'm trying to tell all the people about this fancy dress she's wearing. Coming soon to this feed. The fourth annual Oscar meltdown. The Academy Awards will never be the same.

Show starts in one minute. Meet me at the waterfront after the show's over. The Academy Awards When I look into your eyes, it comes as no surprise. It's part of your problem, you. Know.

You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are answered in the movies. And now, on with the show. I could be the first to let you. Know That nothing means anything Now I'm standing here outside your door In the.

Pouring rain and I can't believe Nothing's supposed to get to. Me Now I'm in this misery I can't be with. Anyone since I've felt our worlds collide. It's like I almost. Died the way you make me feel.

I'm changing, getting. Me and breaking down inside. Baby, can't you see you're. I'm so upset that I have to see that Alfred Knopf movie or whatever. You have to.

Gun to your head. I have no choice. And I don't want to. If you want to get by somewhere in the middle, just watch Hook. What?

Glenn Close dressed as a man in the middle of Hook. You can suffice. You can get by on that. I'm telling you. Glenn close isn't she almost always.

She that's arguable but no it's a very minor little um sort of cameo thing that yeah when if you if you want to remember hook when he's on the the ship and captain hook starts like yelling at two guys and one of them's robin williams pretending like he's in disguise and the other one standing next to him some weird-looking guy with a beard who kind of looks like a woman, it's Glenn Close. Why? I don't know. I mean, it's never explained, I guess, like she was hanging out with Spielberg for no good reason. There's a man in Fatal Attraction, I credit her pun, but....

Did anybody see Angels in America? The very first scene has Meryl Streep playing a male... Jewish rabbi. Oh, yeah. Oh, really?

Uh-huh. Because she doesn't get enough work. Some poor starving actor out there. Somebody needs to cast Fender and Meryl Streep in a film. Being starving artists, right?

Oh, that's true. They don't get much work these days. I say you make a movie that has Meryl Streep, Sondra Bullock, Julie Roberts, Richard Gere, George Clooney, Hugh Grant, it'll play forever. Directed by Stephen Sutter. No, Clint Eastwood.

All the old people love Clint Eastwood. Oh, that's true. That'd be the kicker. That sounds like the worst movie I've ever seen. Yeah, he's just thinking.

About Clint Eastwood. Think of the profit margin. But do older people buy snacks? Not really. They don't know the names of movies either.

I recommend George Clooney movie. Or just George Clooney. The Michael Fashbender movie. Well, there's six. Pick one.

I was actually irritated that we didn't have an overlap of Ides of March and Descendants because they were men. George Clooney movie? Which one? Just selling two tickets. Sorry.

Printed them out. You got a paper bowl. I had a couple little old ladies come in last week and they came up and they asked for Iron Dragon. So I sold them tickets to. The Girl with the Dragon tattoo because I figured they didn't want to see that Meryl Streep thing.

Oh, shit. I used to work with a guy who would say to me, Well, he always wanted to go to lunch to go over, like, work stuff, and there was no work stuff to go over. He just wanted to talk. About what Clint Eastwood movies he had watched that night, or something. And he would say to me, yeah, I got nearly to the end of this movie last night, and I realized.

I'd rented it last week. Has that ever happened to you? Like, no. No, I have a brain. I can't imagine that happening to me.

That's I had to quit the job because I couldn't babysit this guy anymore. I'll give you five minutes to figure out if you've seen it before. If you started it from the beginning. Alright, we're back and it's time for The Grind. In this segment, we will discuss a specific topic or question related to movies and as often as possible, which doesn't happen often, We'd like the questions to come from you, the listener.

Lately, you've been slacking. In general, you've been slacking. But if you have any suggestions, send them to us, email them over, and we will try to work them into some sort of future segment. In the meantime, this one comes from Fred. And I thought it was pretty damn good.

He actually does listen, from what I've heard. He seems to know about ones he's not on. That must mean something. So Fred suggested that we discuss traumatic movies. Or then as we... got into the breakdown more or less movies that scarred you for life and uh you were were you inspired by my horror story is that what you said uh kick that one off my uh my horror tale of the last.

American virgin oh yeah well that came to mind but also at the time i was watching super with the wife and kids oh yeah and uh it was like finally i thought i'd got my kids to the level of trauma that I'd been looking for. Like ever since I tried to watch Deadwood with my daughter when she was in fourth grade or something. Um, but yeah, they really did not like it. Um, and I was like, I was, I really enjoyed the movie. I had a great time.

No, I did not like. That at all. It's not your standard superhero movie. But they did watch it. Then you successfully traumatized them.

It's like Dwight Schrute in Taxi Driver. It is, exactly. It's exactly what it is. Yeah, and it's pretty brutal in places. But if you're in the right spirit.

To watch it, the right sense of fun, it's quite a good comedic little movie. It's just horrifying at the same time. Yeah, there are. I was trying to come up with a few different ones, and it was funny looking at my list. Most of mine were traumatic sexually oriented.

There was only one that's like horror, and it was when I was really, really little. So I can go into that one. But yeah, it was funny that most of them are just horrible, horrible, sex stories mixed into these things. I kind of even wondered what you meant as in traumatic, like it traumatized you as a child or as an adult now? Well, I have different categories.

There are lots of different kinds of trauma. I was thinking, I recently watched The Naked City again, and it was traumatizing. I'd seen it when I was a kid, and it was not scary or frightening, but it was a movie where they. They filmed on location in New York, and they really tried to work in just the sense of the city never sleeping. And there was something about that that just kept me up at night.

So there's that, but there's also the traumatic movie. Which is the movie you hate that everybody you know loves. And so it's just alienation trauma. What did I do that I've become so separated from my. Fellow humans that all of them are eating this up and I'm over here just cussing to myself.

You feel that way a lot, don't you? Yes, yes. I sympathize with that. I had a couple of those over the summer. It's like, come watch this.

This is great. I'm like, No, that's not. Yeah. So, you know, it was just a general. Yeah, I simply throw it out to all of those.

There's, you know, going back to the Bambi trauma. Yeah, yeah. That's what mine was that early on. It's not Bambi, but. Yeah.

Yeah, if we want to go with my horror one, and I was trying to think, because there weren't a lot, especially horror, like, again, we, you know, we had cable when I was a kid, so I saw way more stuff than I ever needed to, and they didn't seem to care. So yeah, I, I, you know, I grew pretty scarred early, I suppose, and then didn't worry about any of them anymore. So horror, I couldn't really think of anything after the fact. There were a lot of them that I really liked later, but the only one I could think of that was like really legitimately traumatizing, and this wasn't even the movie, this was the TV spot for a movie. And it's not even the trailer.

I went back and watched the trailer. The trailer's normal. It's specifically the TV spot that they ran for It's Alive. Does anybody know that one? Do you know?

Yeah. Larry Cohen film. Yeah, yeah. And I went back and rewatched it today because I was trying to, I had a weird image of it in my head that I haven't seen it since then, I don't think. And I went back to double check and make sure I was thinking of the right.

No, no, it's that one. I was like, holy shit. Yep, that's it. It starts off and it's just this shot of a bassinet. And it's like, It's playing that, that like music box kind of jangly rockabye baby, creepy ass music.

And it, well, it's rotating around it and it's giving you this, like the Davis's are having a baby. And it's just like, it comes off kind of creepy in tone anyway. And then as it comes around, there's like this green hand hanging out of the bassinet. And I remember, I don't even know how young I was, but I remember like that totally disturbing the hell out of me. Like to the point of, like not wanting to see it when it came on in the middle of cartoon and they were running it.

That was what became funny. And that's why I remembered this one. It was so bad that like my mom called the station. It was on the local station and they were running it like in the middle of the afternoon in the middle of cartoons. And then when she called, they were like, yeah, we've got another.

So you're watching Muppet babies. Yeah. It wasn't just me. I was just, yeah, I was just like, and it's funny. Like, I think I remember other stuff like that at that time.

But then as time went on, I was like, it's not that theme. Like, I don't care about it now. It's like, I would go watch the movie. In fact, I watched the trailer. I was like, shit, we need to watch this.

This looks cheesy as hell. So I'm like, I'm kind of all for watching it. And then they've done that sort of evil thing, baby thing, a million times since then. I mean, Grace was pretty huge a few years ago. And I was thinking, I actually watched a short.

We talked to... Jack Daniel Stanley at Fright Night years ago, who directed one called A Little Mouth to Feed. Go find that. I think you can go to his website and watch his short films. It's awesome.

It's that same creepy baby idea, and it's really well shot. So yeah, go watch that if you want to see a creepy baby movie. But yeah, it's weird, because it wasn't even the movie itself. It was just that weird... And they did a good job with it.

Because the thing is, the trailer, the actual trailer, is terrible. Like, it's just random scenes slapped together. Like, the trailer is just a bad trailer, but that TV spot is fucking creepy. While we're talking about creepy babies, I think the one that had probably most people that have seen it that probably would freak them out, or did. I might have been too young, because I think I was maybe 16 or 17 and thought I was cool watching it.

But when I first saw Eraserhead... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that messed me up in a couple of ways. I'll give you that one. And I've never gone back because I was. and that's what I think of when you say trauma.

If you see something and you're like, I'm just going to, even all the good, bad, great things you hear about, or even people referencing it, I'm like, maybe I missed that or maybe I should re, you know, whatever, but I won't. Cause I'm like, that just is unsettling to me. And like I said, maybe I was too young. Yeah. That's me in full metal jacket because I'm kind of a completionist.

I would like to see all Stanley Kubrick's movies. I literally cannot watch that movie because my first memory of it, my, it had just come out on videotape and my cousin decided that that's a movie that he and his little kid cousin should watch together. And I remember, um, And I can still see the pattern on my aunt's couch because I just remember putting my face into the couch and crying and begging him not to make me wash it. And I had a pillow over my head just weeping because it was just the most insane, violent. Thing I'd ever seen.

And it scarred me so profoundly that to this day, like a couple years ago, I was like, okay, this is silly. I'm ready. And somebody put it on Blu-ray and we got through the first, you know, the Vincent D'Onofrio sequence. And then I was like, nope, I'm out. I can't do it.

The impression of the pattern is still kind of on your face a little bit. You can't even watch Vincent Monoprio on TV now. Yeah, I can't watch that on Ardor. The rest was me and the couch. I don't know.

It's a shame because that is the best part of the movie. You get to that halfway point and it's a different movie. I've never seen it. It's on my list, but I've just never seen it. The thing I remember the most is just the funniness of it.

Kubrick's got his weird sense of humor. Early Army, it's a mix of terrifying. Oh, yeah. Well, and now he's just kind of funny. Like, he's played that joke version of himself.

But when that first came out, like, nobody knew that as a joke. So it's like. He legitimately was probably frightening at that point. His same character as Toy Story, the money guy from Toy Story. You're going to take it as serious.

There's a dead version of that guy in The Frighteners yelling at other ghosts. He does that version over and over again. It's like that bit they did on Saturday Night Live where I think Phil Hartman was the drill sergeant, but he was just so inarticulate. He would try to dress people down, but he couldn't find the right words to say. He said, so what are you laughing at, son?

You're Mr. Laughing, Joking Man. I saw this great interview with Ernie, though, to where he was talking about his character in the film versus the Army now. And he said, oh, you can't do that now because you can't hit the cadets or anything. I can teach you so much if I can just touch you.

Jesus, that's terrifying. He was interviewing him, right? Sounds like a pedophile. I could teach you so much if I could touch you. Well, even in general, I mean, there's so much of that stuff I don't think you can say anymore.

Maybe if nobody's around. In the Army, I actually knew someone who had joined the Air Force, and they said it's comical because they're not allowed to swear at you. They can insult you, but they say things like, get on the ground and give me 20 push-ups, you little wussy, sissy baby. Yeah, it's like a thousand and one Amish insult. It's like you wussy, sissy.

It used to be nothing but jokes about you being gay or jokes about your race. And it's like, well, officially you shouldn't be able to do that anymore. So what do they yell at you now? Our wars are so much nicer now. We really don't have that type of thing.

That's true. I am all for them throwing all of that out. If they can't take it, fuck out. That should be the one place where anything goes. Thank you, Sergeant Greg.

I'm not putting myself in that situation. You need to apologize to the contention artist. Isn't that funny, Sarge? A Kubrick movie is one of my traumatic movies, but it It was when I was grown, and for different reasons, it was. Eyes wide shut.

It's kind of traumatizing. And it was just because I was so disappointed in Cooper. Right, right. It's just, oh, that's awful. And then for other reasons, because it was the first time that it occurred to me that so many naked women could be so boring.

That was showgirls for me. Yeah. It was just like, it was. And the other thing, it was sort of that alienation trauma because somebody told me how much they loved the movie. Yeah.

And that person was my mom. That's traumatizing. Yeah. Yeah. She was going on about, I just thought it was really well.

And I'm like, mom, I don't know you. And I don't want to know. Yeah. Yeah. While we're on the Kubrick run, I hadn't thought about that one until you started your story, Lucy, but I kind of had that, and on a Kubrick movie, I saw, and it was one of those, again, when cable was just sort of on, and I came in the room, or maybe I turned it, I don't know, but I came in in the middle of Clockwork Orange with the big sculpture scene, and I...

I was not ready for that. Oh, and the cartoon thing. Yeah, I remember that. It just took your breath away. And it was one of those, yeah, I was like, something about this is not right.

And it did kind of mess me up at that point, and I left it alone. It was one of those, it was kind of your reaction, Greg. I don't want to go back, and it took me years and years to go, all right, fine, let's see. And then I was like, holy shit, this is amazing. So it's funny how much it put me off of a good movie for, A long damn time.

The first time I saw that was with my grandmother. Oh, nice. It was nice and awkward. Yeah, I'd say so. Well, the whole problem was it was AFI used to do those lists all the time.

So that was like this. We need to hit all of these. Yeah, growing up, that was the thing. We would go out, we'd rent a couple movies and watch them. And it worked well enough for the 100 greatest movies, but then they did the 100 greatest thrillers or.

Something like that. And actually, it was the week before that. we had watched Blue Velvet. That's awkward enough. This is on the list, and she's like, oh. Dennis Hopper's great in that.

I love that role. And she's sitting there, and it's like, oh, this is awkward. And the next we call it up with that, it's like, I think I'm going to put this list to the side. Until I'm watching these on my own. Yeah, let me weed through some of these.

No, no. I heard about movies with Fred's mom. You know, actually, we watched Blue Velvet with the kids a couple of weeks ago. It was one of the ones. My son is wonderful.

Maybe he gets this from me, but if he has friends over, he doesn't want to watch one of the movies. I say you ought to watch. Of course not. Because his friends drive him crazy. They won't shut up during the movie.

And he feels like he's supposed to really see the movie. And so it was a little bit that way with Blue Velvet. There was a little too much talking going on. Smack those kids around. What the hell?

I feel like watching the movie, you would just sort of, enraptured in silence. Like, I can't imagine talking through it. Like, I'm going to text now. Really? Yeah, I would think kids sitting there watching it, you'd feel the trauma wash over them.

It's something that kind of grows slightly humorous the more you watch it. Yeah, the first time. It's awkward. Yeah, those first scenes with Dennis Hopper, who was just. Weird enough anyway without going out of his way.

And amazing. Yeah. The perfect mix of the two. I haven't seen that in years, but I've actually found myself thinking about the music. So I listen to the Blue Velvet theme, and I listen to the Roy Orbison song, Candy Colored Cloud.

Yeah. That scene is amazing. He's a suave fuck. He is. On the topic of David Lynch, actually, I was going to bring up Eraserhead, so it kind of comes full circle.

The first time I saw. That was I was 18, and I had heard about it, so I rented it, and I popped it in, and I was five minutes in, and I just felt very, very uncomfortable just with the whole mood, so I stopped right there. And then I watched it later and forced myself through it, and now it's like one of my favorite movies. But it took me a minute. Going back to what you were talking about earlier.

I sort of side with you in the sense I watched so many horror films growing up, but not that many bothered me. The only one that actually sticks out is the original Day of the Trippids. Wow. As cheesy as it is, and I think it's just because it was so washed out. Because I've never seen a.

Clean version of that. I have a VHS one at home. There's something about it where even to this day, people say, there's a meteor shower tonight. Keeping me in the shower. I'm going inside and I'm watching that.

I'm going to be over here poking the blob. Don't worry about me. Yeah, exactly. Well, the one that got me as a kid was Invasion of the Body Snatchers. And it's just so psychologically strange to.

Think people not being the people you know. And, you know, I had a, I think it had a big impact on me because I already had like a really unhappy childhood. Yeah. I was just so unhappy. And then I watched that movie and it's.

Like, oh. It tapped into whatever sense of alienation or, I. Don't know. I think everybody maybe has some degree of unhappiness growing up where just the walls of the house start to be embedded with arguments and bickering and people you love but you can't live with. You know, you just, everything starts. to be annoying.

And so that was my childhood. And, you know, full scale. But that was the movie that really just had a kind of resonance. And I loved horror movies, but I tended to identify with the monsters. Mm-hmm.

I didn't really find them frightening. I, I just, you know, back in the day it was TV guide and you, you'd scan the week for the horror movies and try to be there when they were on. Um, but that, that's the one that was, uh, really. The traumatic, in the area of horror, which I would class that rather than sci-fi. It's a really smart movie, and it probably is because it's so psychological.

It's not a monster after you. It's about everything around you collapsing, basically. You guys just did a remake episode, right? Did you address that one? Because that one's been.

Remade like four times. Yeah, at least four different versions. We did the 70s one. I don't think we've covered anything else. Because I actually think the 70s one's more scary.

I really like the 70s one. I really like the 70s one. But I went back and re-watched the first one in addition to, just to kind of compare the two. And the original's amazing, too. They're both really good.

I haven't seen the later two, so I'm assuming they're probably bad. The 70s one is up. It's good. See, everybody says that, but for me, the original one is the only one. Well, I mean, it's just a different theme.

Like, it becomes about an entirely different thing than the 50s one was. What about the. Dog with the human head? I'm going to get one of those. Apparently, I don't get this movie because, oh, and here's a dog with a human head.

What does that have to do with anything? You're going to turn into one of those now, I hope. I guess. much like Channing Tatum he thinks he's people nice poor Channing I hope he's listening anyway. This is a little short one that was unexpectedly traumatic and I've shared this with other people in the past the same moment and I think it's because it's such a fun almost innocent movie until this point and it's just it's Two seconds of the film, but after that moment, you're just kind of on edge. But in Pee Wee's Big Adventure, the large mark.

That is so traumatic to see that face. And now, I mean, when he gets into the truck, you're just building and building and building. Every single time, I'm like, just don't do it. Just don't do that part. It's kind of creepy.

Because you weren't expecting it. That started, I'll give you the first time I saw that, it did just totally catch me off guard. Because, again, everything else is live action. And all of a sudden, you get this cartoon, crazy animated thing. And you're just like, oh, my God, what the hell just happened?

But, again, fast forward to me being a weird kid and then liking all that kind of stuff. Because most of the others became that. So then you fast forward, like, five minutes later when I'm slow-moing it on the VCR. Yeah. Going, look at him.

Like, watching the eyes get giant. Yeah, so the first time through. After that, I still, I kind of love it. It's still unnerving, but it's pretty awesome. That whole movie kind of has me on edge, though.

Yeah. I'd never seen Pee Wee Herman before watching this movie. And, um. I was just, I didn't know what to think. I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing with myself.

Okay, wait, you can take that the wrong way. What does the bike mean? Pee-wee jokes. So, but yeah, I mean, it is, I've always said that. It's like, Pee-wee's Big Adventure is different than anything else Pee-wee related ever.

It's definitely 90% Tim Burton in my mind. It's very much His style and his, you definitely get that Pee Wee character running through it and his weird sense of humor, but so much of the tone and what's going on is just so early Tim Burton before. He started to suck. You know, you mentioned Tim Burton, that reminds me of what you were talking about earlier, the sense of betrayal, not necessarily terror from films, but over the summer, everyone kept recommending Rise of the Planet of the Apes to me. And so I was like, okay, I was completely betrayed by Burton's.

You know, horrendous efforts. Planet of the whatever. Planet of the Marky Marks. So everyone kept saying, oh, no, it's a great movie, it's a great movie, and I was a fan of all the originals. I thought, okay, I'll let you all lure me to it.

So I was there with a couple friends that I genuinely trust their, you know, movie insight. And they'd seen it like three times. I thought, okay, this has to be good. And the whole time I was there, I was watching, I'm like, what is the deal with this? I'm like the only person in this theater who does not like this.

And even after the film, they were like, why didn't you like it? And I gave like this 20-minute discussion. And they're like, You're putting too much thought into it. I love it when people give you that, oh, you're trying to make too big. No, it's just not working for me.

If somebody spends $ 20, $ 30, $ 100 million on a film, you're supposed to think about it. They invested a lot of money into it. He was like, give me one thing. I said, how old is James Franco supposed to be? He's like, I don't know, 30.

I said, well, 10 years have passed, so does that mean that he was 20 when he discovered the cure for Alzheimer's? I didn't think about that much. That was the problem when I saw the trailer. See, we should come back to that because there's a lot to deal with in that movie. I didn't hate it, but again, I just don't put it with the other...

It's not in that realm. It's a cool concept. There's a lot. Of cool stuff in it, but it felt flat for me. I thought as subversive ALF propaganda as a mainstream film, it was, I can't even believe this is happening right now.

It was just straight up Animal Liberation front. I thought it was awesome. I don't know. There was a lot of cool stuff in it. I still kind of have issue with the cartoon monkeys, but it's funny how quick everybody got over that.

Everybody bad-mouthed it so much on that trailer, and then suddenly they forgot about that part. Because he wins you over. I was like, it's good. It's the best you can do on CG, but it still kind of looks a little weird. I don't know.

It looks too much like a painting still. Yeah, yeah. It still kind of got bad. Even that didn't bother me. I got over that.

It was just too many plot issues. The childhood traumas, one I've heard about is a lot of teachers will show Watership Downs because. It's a cartoon. I forgot. And they don't know what they're doing.

They just figure it's a cartoon with rabbits. And then they pay no attention. And the whole classrooms of kids are freaked out by it. I think I did that to Misty. When we watched it, she'd never seen it before.

Yeah. What the hell are we watching? Oh, bunnies! But, you know, it's funny about kids when they're growing up. Like, sometimes when they're real little, stuff won't bother them, but they're a little older.

Like, you know, The Lion King. My kids would watch. They don't care. Mufasa. Okay, forget Mufasa.

But then they get a little older, and then it starts to bother them. Because, I don't know, they're more aware of. life stuff has weight then you know when you're a little kid it doesn't mean anything but once you start to realize oh his father's dead you know it's like it does start to mean something that I don't think it does when you're really. Maybe because I don't have a father, like. Because he was trampled by wildebeest, so. That's, you know, that's...

I couldn't relate. If we had a nickel for having people hear Father Trampled by Wildebeest. I mean, everyone loves The Lion King. I mean, people in my generation love The Lion King, and they remember it, and it's like one of their favorite movies from their childhood, and I'm just like, I didn't really like it. I didn't like it as a kid.

I hated Charlotte's Web. Like, my aunt kept trying to buy me that. You hated Templeton? Templeton's fun. Come on.

Like the cartoon. You know, my aunt kept trying to buy me the VHS tape, and I kept, like, throwing it away, and she'd find it. It comes back. I fucking hate this movie. Stop trying to give it to me.

The pig came back the very next day. That's true, but that was actually before I was attacked by a pig and gained my pig phobia. But, I mean. I'll give you Lion King. I was not on board.

I know people still love it. It's JTT. No, it was the fucking song. That Elton John score is just obnoxious. He had good days, but they're well before Lion King came around.

Oh, man, I could probably enact the Lion King word for word. Well, it's because it's Shakespeare, but anyway. But the funny thing was, everybody went on like there was something about the clouds that looked like it spelled sex. I was like, forget that. Why are you looking for subliminal stuff?

There's a scene in it where the two lions go rolling down a hill. He lands on top of her. She. She reaches up and licks his face, and he goes, wrong? Right.

And then he looks at her, and. She does this face, and it's that face women do that says, do me. Right. Missionary position, though. That's the funny thing.

That's what's funny. And it's like, how do the cartoonists even know about that face? They had to bring in horny lionesses. To try to capture that. If I saw a real actress do that in a movie, I'd say it's Oscar time.

Because nobody can do that with command. I know trained actresses. And I've asked them, can you do that? I dare you. Try to do that.

They can't do it. I like that you assume the cartoonists have never been late. It's sad, but that might be true. But the first time I watched it, I'm like, what the fuck is going to happen here? I don't know where this is going.

I just, yeah, I like that they, they end up missionary. Like, I'm just like, they're animals. That's not how it goes. I think it is. A Disney policy.

The cartoonists that they hired, they aren't allowed to have sex. That's why, that's why it manifests itself on the screen. Running an evil empire. Sure. Um, I don't know.

Uh, Well, there's a lot about that. I mean, I've always had issues with this. Again, we're sidetracked. But I mean, that whole movie, like how many animal asses do I need to see in one movie? Like it becomes like the whole song.

Yeah, that whole song is nothing. But then you get the whole, oh, good, let's work in fart jokes in this kid's movie. And you get nothing but shots of his ass. And I'm just like, this is dumb. It is, and it didn't used to be.

There was a bunch of fallout, too, about the Be Prepared song. The hyenas look too much like Nazis. See, that's the only scene I liked. I thought it was very obvious that's what they're doing. They actually had to change it for one of the DVD releases or something.

There's a revised version to where they aren't marching. That way or something like that. That's the whole point. Because they're going to offend Nazis? Yeah.

The Nazis are going to be offended by this comparison. The funny thing is, is they've got this whole Nazi, you know, symbology and be prepared. That's, boy scout theme. Yeah and you're linking. That's actually kind of cool that's the only part of that movie i like scar because he's a he's just a backstabbing sniveling you know he's a great villain jeremy irons doing lines from his jeremy irons movies in the middle of a disney movie is hilarious you have no idea i was just like okay the fact that they work that into a disney movie is Fucking awesome.

I always wondered how it happened that as soon as Scar took the throne, like, the grass all died and the river. He's that evil. He angered the gods, apparently. But it all turns green again the second, you know. The second that cheesy-ass song kicks in.

Yeah, oh, God. Fucking circle of life, man. You know, I think as far as movies, you know, you were talking about David Lynch movies earlier. And when I was, like, 11 years old, for some reason I rented Lost Highway. Okay.

That's only traumatizing because your brain's trying to make sense. Actually, that traumatized him. I believe it did, the process of trying to do TV. He said he'd never. Oh, I thought you were going to say Robert Blake.

Well, something did. I can't think of a movie that wholly traumatizes me. There's scenes from movies. When I was like 11, I didn't get the movie. There's no getting that movie.

There's nothing to be gotten. No, there isn't. It's one of the few Lynch movies where every time I watch it, it's like, okay, I know what I think happens. I think I figured it out. I'm like, I know less.

I felt so guilty and bad about myself and stupid for not getting this movie. I'm just like, it's clearly a movie for adults and I'm not ready. But no, I watched it as an adult. I'm just like, no, it's just this movie. It makes no sense.

But Robert Blake, or, yeah, is that what his name is, Robert Blake? Oh, yeah. I just, I was trying to think of his name, and I Googled it a couple of minutes ago on my phone, and the image of him in that movie made me shudder. Like, I had nightmares about Robert Blake in that movie. He's a terrifying man.

I mean, like, when I was a kid, I was kind of afraid of Tim Curry, but, like, Tim Curry is like, I would bat popsicles from Tim Curry compared to Robert Blake. But another movie that really, you know, I wasn't really allowed to, like, watch this movie, but my mom was watching it when I was really little. The Hand That Rocks the Cradle. Yeah. I think there's a scene where, like, the woman is, like, breastfeeding the other lady's baby.

For some reason, that really was, like, horribly disturbing for some. So, and Brian saw the hand that comes out of the cradle while another hand is rocking the cradle. Yeah. Traumatizing. It's all creepy.

Babies are creepy is the moral of this. I'm tormenting children, too, with showing them a movie they're not going to understand. It's like punishment in elementary school to make a kid watch a Bergman film. You won't tell me what this is about. No!

You make my brain hurt. They showed us White Christmas in grade school, and I just remember... Not that there was anything to understand, but what third grader is going to give a shit. About this movie? It was because it was free and we were in private school and we had no money.

That kind of stuff. I won't watch that one. A lot of Christmas movies are just. Even It's a Wonderful Life. That's a bit too out there for a small child.

It's pretty traumatizing. It traumatizes me because I can't disentangle it from Death of a Salesman. There are just too many parallels between those two movies for me. And that kind of happens like with some other movies. They just sort of fuse together.

Like Disney's Beauty and the Beast gets mixed up with Madame Bovary somehow because it's like this woman in... in a provincial French town, and she likes to read, but she has the same kind of romantic bullshit taste that Madame Bovary has. And there's candlesticks talking to her. And so I can't help picturing her, like, coughing up that black stuff, like Bovary does. At the end of the novel. Yeah.

And Beast eats it. And, yeah. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Is it an air ball?

Yeah. That's dramatic. Was she in third grade until White Christmas? I remember. being shown in 2001 in sixth grade. Wow.

So as this 11-year-old, I remember sitting there thinking, somebody say something. Right, right. When the most, yeah, as a child, the most interesting part is probably the intermission. The only thing I remember from that when I was a kid was like, cool, there's toilets in space. That was like it.

That's pretty cool. This is so boring. And, Is traumatizing a word? I say it because everyone else around me says it. It's one of those things that I've always said, but I'm like, no, traumatic I think is correct.

Is traumatizing even a word? I think it's a word. I feel really stupid asking that question, and I meant to look it up weeks ago. I say it, and it just doesn't sound correct. I think as a society, we make whatever the hell we want words.

So as long as everybody's saying it, it's a word. Here's a childhood trauma a friend told me. A guy at work. You just look like you're too excited about this. Yeah.

Well, I love this. This is going to be great. Well, he was at a little store, and they have those dollar DVDs, and he saw Lassie, and he remembered Lassie movies from when he was a kid. So he picked one up for his daughter, who was about six. He said, oh, you'll love this.

Lassie is this dog, and she saves people, and Timmy's down the well. It'll be great. And he goes home and he watches the movie with her, and Lassie kills a guy. With a sawed-off shotgun. Lassie's owner is a prospector, and his partner double-crosses.

Him and murders him. But then. The bad guy winds up on the edge of a cliff, and he's about to fall, and he's like, okay, Lassie's going to help him and he'll see that he shouldn't be. So no, she kind of nudges him off. Good going Lassie.

There was no Timmy in the movie. And, uh, and he tells me about it and I'm like, Oh God, I've got to see this movie. And you bring it in. And, uh, the next day he's like, Oh yeah, I forgot to bring that in. I'm sorry.

And I guess it's good because then my daughter wanted to watch it again. So we watched it again, and the second time through, now I know what's happening, and. You can see that it's premeditated. Lassie actually plots the thing. She lures him out to the cliff and then nudges him off.

I watched it. It's called The Painted Hills. I've got a couple of copies. Just in case. I ran out and got the last ones there.

And there are just beautiful things in it. There's when the guy tries to poison Lassie and he has a bottle marked poison in his kitchen just sitting there. Pours it in the food, but Lassie's a little too smart. Lassie can read. Don't you worry about it.

Yeah, so that could have been traumatizing, but it wasn't. Apparently the kid liked it. It makes me like Lassie a little bit more. Something to be said for that, too, to where it's VHS box covers that just... led you astray or actually confirmed what you wanted to see in a film. One of the two.

The Painted Hills. Painted with blood. I mean, you know, I was at my mom's house earlier and we were talking about Night. Of the Lepus, which we reviewed. My grandpa, she was actually telling me about how my grandpa and my aunt's ex-husband would bang on the pots to make the rabbits run through the scenes.

She's afraid of rabbits because of that movie. So are you now. You were traumatized by that movie. I like that the size of the rabbits is never consistent. Sometimes they're like a Great Dane.

Sometimes they're three stories tall. It depends on what footage they had sitting around. Dee Forrest Kelly slumming it after Star Trek. They were all kind of. That whole cast.

Oh, that movie's fun. I don't know what you're talking about. about. True work of art. I'm so glad that's part of my family history. You should be proud of that.

Probably one of my most traumatic... movies that I actually saw just a few months ago is Inland Empire, going back to David Lynch yet again. Third or fourth time. He's a creepy dude. I think it's its goal to traumatize people. Has anybody here seen this one?

No. So it's three hours long. It's his follow-up to Mulholland Drive. And it's like watching a nightmare. I felt like David Lynch himself had personally raped my brain from my ear.

That leads me to a couple of mine, but go ahead and finish yours. I don't want to give anything away. You're working your way up to the Lord Dern face. Aren't you? Oh, God, no.

Not the cry face. No. Yeah, yeah, that got me. It's like watching a nightmare, like I said, and then suddenly the camera pulls away, and it's hard to get into this without specifics, but it's like the nightmare is over, and I felt like this wave of relief, and then suddenly it's not over, and then you get... some weird head with a hole in it spouting blood mist in the board. Yeah.

See, that was traumatic for me, too, in the sense that I was watching that, it's like, how he's fallen. To me, it was almost the equivalent of, you know, a grandmother with Alzheimer's. The first time you get to a family function and she looks at you and can't remember your name. Like, that sense of disappointment, that's the way I felt when I watched this. I was like, oh, he's just lost it.

I feel so bad. Really? Yeah. I think that the problem with it, if I'm not mistaken, this is the. First time he went into digital video, and I think that's sort of the problem.

He needs something to ground him. He needs some sort of, like, no, this is what you can do, and this is only what you can do. Three hours. You have to make it happen within these limitations. But when he just had a camera in his hand, he got to run all over the place and do whatever he wanted and have whatever budget.

That's when it was like, it's over. He needs to have a genre that goes horribly awry. Unless he has the structure to go awry, then he's just awry. Maybe it was because I had just watched Lost Highway and I had just re-watched Mulholland Drive. So by the time I got to Inland Empire, I went into it knowing it's not going to make any sense.

I'm just going to sit back and let it happen to me. Yeah, he's probably more horrifying when things are structured a little bit. I mean, that's when thinking of some of the favorite ones, which minorly strays out of... movies but to me twin peaks is just a really long creepy movie but yeah i mean some of the bob footage is frightening and still like i yeah i kind of see bob hiding in corners around my house sometimes and it's frightening um but some of the stuff in the train car and some of that crosses over into firewalk with me but a lot of it just in that first season of the show is like fucking traumatizing right there midget's talking backwards that part's just kind of fun but it is kind of.

Fun the show i really felt like basically after laura palmer's killer was unveiled oh yeah should have kind of stopped there was work yeah there's a miniseries then. There was no point yeah Because, I mean, anything after that, then you get to the weird James offshoot story. I'm like, nobody wants that. Earl's stuff, by the end of the second season, was starting to pick up again, but that low point in between the two arcs. It's rough.

The beginning of the second season, it's rough. My mother on the show was terrified. Fizzgate? I thought we just started referring to her as Fizzy. Grace Zabriskie, right?

Yeah. She's always terrifying. Yeah, she was in the beginning of Inland Empire as this really creepy Polish woman, something like that. She just came over and spoke all cryptically. She's just creepy in general.

There's a lot of cool visuals in that Inland Empire, but as a whole, I was like, no, this is like the last 20 minutes of Mulholland Drive expanded to like three hours. Oh, God. You know Mulholland Drive actually. There's parking and rambling. Yeah.

Mulholland Drive actually started life as a television pilot, which I think would have been really interesting. I'd love to see him go back to TV. That's what traumatized him. He said he'd never do TV because the whole experience of trying to do what he wanted and work with TV, it was just. Really frustrated and angry about it.

I think he'd be more suited for HBO or something. It's different now. Yeah, at this point you probably could, and they would give him a budget to do it. In Small Holland Drive, I mean, it's obvious where the two pilot episodes or the two episodes that kind of join together are, and then where it sort of diverges from that to where you just tack on an ending to make it a film, because it just feels like the last 20, 30 minutes is just going to throw a bunch of stuff at you and hope that you'll assume that you just couldn't get it. No, there's nothing there.

You're not going to get it. Well that leaves you with like a weird frustrating feeling and it's like it's like Iago. Is the only Shakespeare villain who just will. Never you never get any glimpse of humanity or anything it's almost like he knows that the audience wants some sort of why did you do it fuck you it's so frustrating it's like where's the. Sense in this it's just It kind of reminds me of what was in The Company of Men, because we were talking about Valentine's Day movies earlier.

It's the same with Aaron Eckhart at the end of that movie. The fellow asks him, why? He's like, because it's good. It's that very cold-hearted lack of reason that somebody gives you. It's just very eerie.

Because I hate Mondays. Like the girl who killed a bunch of school children because she hated Mondays. Yeah. Perfectly sane and logical. Wait, what?

In the 70s, there was this teenage girl who broke out her, like, I don't think it was an AK-47, but it was some type of crazy, sharp shooting gun and fired across the street into a crowd of school children and killed, like, a couple of teachers and wounded a bunch of children. And a telephone reporter called her on her phone and she answered and they're like, why are you doing this? She says, because I hate Mondays. That's what the Boomtown Rats song is. That song from the 80s.

I would sing it if I could sing, but I can't. Bust it out. Come on. Okay, kids. This topic is way too interesting for one episode.

So, we're going to wrap it up for now, but we'll be back with more traumatic movies next time. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.

The silicon chip. Inside her head gets switched to overload And nobody's gonna go to school today, she's gonna make them stay at home Daddy doesn't understand it, he always said she was good as gold And. He can see no reasons, cause there are no reasons. What reason do you need to be shown? Tell me why I don't like Mondays.

Tell me why I don't like Mondays. Tell me why I don't like Mondays. I want to. Shoot the whole day down. The Tenex machine is kept so clean And it types to a waging world A mother feels so shocked Father's world is rocked And the dogs turn to their own little girl Sweet sixteen make their feet.

Cheeky Now I ain't so old to admit defeat They can see no reasons Cause there are no reasons. What reasons do Tell me. Why I don't like Mondays. Tell me why I don't like Mondays. Tell me why I don't like Mondays.

I want to shoot. The whole day down, down, down, shoot. It on down. And now the playing's. Stopped in the playground now.

She wants to play with her. Toy doll now. And schools are early and soon we'll be learning and the lesson today is how to die. And then the bull home crackles and the captain tackles with the trouble of a housewife. And he can see no reasons cause there are no reasons.

What reason do you need to die? Die. Oh. Tell me why I don't like money. Tell me why I don't.

Tell me why I don't like, I don't like, I don't like money. Tell me why I don't like, I don't like, I don't like Mondays. Tell me why I don't like Mondays. I want to. Shoot the whole day down.

Somebody say something. Talk hard!

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