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Why are you talking? Just a tease People like you You don't grow in dreams Look at you That's what's gonna be Everything Around my sober Christmas tree Merry Christmas And a Happy New Year I love you Got my baby My precious love. What's up and. Welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian.

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And we're back with another festive life day episode. I'm claiming that one. Everybody else gets nitpicky over what holiday it is or what they want or they don't like. Festivus. Everybody hates that day.

You take me higher than the lights up in this country. Is that what I do? Starship? Yes. Jefferson.

Thank you. You notice how Grace Slick quit that band before they the Star Wars special. Conveniently. It's like she knew, you know? She saw it coming.

She was just like, I'm out of here, guys. Textbook slick maneuver. I'm telling you, man. Yeah, but she came back for We Built This City. I know.

That's what I was thinking. No. What do you think is more embarrassing? We Built This City on rock and roll or the Star Wars Christmas special? That's the one with the Wookiee family in it.

Oh, yeah. That was last year's holiday special. But Jefferson Starship was in that show. Starship. Jefferson no longer claimed them at that point.

Were they Starship or were they Jefferson Starship? I don't know. No, they were Jefferson Starship then, before they became Starship. And then she came back. None of this makes any sense.

Yeah, I'm confused. But anyway, Starship was in the Star Wars special. So which are they more embarrassed about? To me, when I listen to it now, and I don't think I recognized it quite so much years ago, but now when I hear we built this city... it's painful like it's so and do you know who wrote that like i didn't know that for years of hearing it i had no idea and now i question him as a songwriter because bernie toppen. I had a feeling yeah.

But usually to me i felt like that was the low end of the scale like he was writing the good lyrics and elton just sort of showed up and played some music but No, it kind of ruined that whole scale. Well, you know, everyone has bad stuff. I love Paul McCartney. I hate his Christmas songs. They should be.

I just like the way he would write about mythical, non-existent pop music that never existed. And he would write some elegy for something that didn't exist, like Crocodile Rock. What the fuck was that? Benny and the Jets? What is he talking about?

Well, he's remembering something that didn't happen, kind of like you in movies from the 70s. Maybe that's why I found it charming. Those are my favorite songs of his. It's like, make something up and feel nostalgic for it. That's great.

We're all in with that. It's like you in book reports when you were a kid. Yeah. Well, actually, I mean, I. This is like the foundation for your whole life.

Bernie Taupin is my pen name. We need to talk about that one time. I built a city on rock and roll. I did. Call this episode fred rocks at the end i don't think you would feel separate embarrassment for those different things that you could measure against each other i think it's more like compound interests.

It is kind of interesting though that they were directly related with the two kind of most cited embarrassing moments in pop history or culture or whatever. We're talking about nomio and julie Because I still think that may be his greatest. Was Starship in that? Elton John? Not only did he record the soundtrack, he produced that film.

Wow. He did? Elton John? Yeah. It's funny.

Deal with that. Take me to the pilot? Elton John did that? I didn't know that. As a topic, we should do what careers can survive.

Because there are some things you just watch and you go, And people kept hiring them after that. Oh, yeah. Like dancing in the street. I tried to convince my boyfriend that we should dress up like Jagger and Boba Boy. And no one would get it.

I don't care. I just want to live that fantasy. They might get both. That's interesting. Like, you're so untouchable that you can fail and still go on.

Massively. Woman pants. Seatbelt. Weird. I remember when I watched the movie Candy, I thought, Marlon Brando.

And people walked away from this. That actually ruined a lot of careers. Shouldn't it? Yeah, Richard Burton should have gone. Well, I guess he did.

It was crazy. Was Ringo Starr in that? He was. He played the Mexican gardener. Oh, that's funny.

Naturally. Yeah, naturally. That's fine casting right there. That's high casting. Yeah.

It's like Andy Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Oh, wow. That should have broke a lot of stuff. That should have broke the country. The film system.

The film industry. What year was that made? 1997. Something like that. No, I think it was earlier.

I think it was earlier. I think it was earlier. Why is that so funny? Because it's true. Ironically, it's probably the same time the song was made about that.

I think it's where I'm getting it mixed up. A lot of hedgehogs as a youth. No, seriously, that topic, what careers have survived, that's... My. Career is not going to survive this podcast.

I think that needs to happen. We will take note of that. When are we going to do a show about the E.T. Pornography from Turkey? You're in charge of organizing.

All right. You guys know about that one? No. No, but I assumed that it would be there. It's Turkish.

I love anything from, like, that region. Or Russia. Like, anything is just so crazy. So crazy. So, like, it was this porn surface, and it was E.T., which, like, I don't know.

Like, out of all the films in the 80s, to make a... Like Spielberg and E.T.? Right. Okay. To make a porn theme from, I just.

Well, if his neck did that, you can only imagine what his other bits did. It was a woman, and she was dressed, and it looked like she was covered in baked feces as E.T. That's what you're looking for. I've only seen stills. I want so bad.

She had that freaking finger, too, that little ouch thing. I just, man. So maybe I should find this. We should all watch it and talk about it. Yeah.

You start working on that. All right. All right. Only from Atari. Made especially for systems from Atari.

The video game that lets you help E.T. Get home. Just in time for Christmas. Happy Holidays from Atari. You know, I was super pumped about Christmas until my dog ate, like, all those salt dough ornaments that I had, like, painstakingly made.

Oh, the ones you posted? All of them. All of them? They must have been good. They were covered in glitter, so...

Oh, yeah. I overheard that a minute ago. Yeah. My entire kitchen floor was covered in puke. I mean, my entire kitchen floor was covered in dunk.

The glittery puke. Glittery puke. Festive. You never get rid of the glitter. No.

After your kids go through glitter years at school. They're like. projects, years later I'll be at work and a teamster tells me, you're wearing glitter on your hands. Like, yeah, I do that. Scrippers and kids, that's where you. Run into that.

I mop the floor like two times a day just because she's always like, throwing up just a little bit here and there, or she'll pee on the floor or something and track it all over. So I hop the floor like three times a day, and there's still glitter on the floor. It's just stuck there forever. Jeez. It's horrible.

You never get rid of glitter. You don't. It's true. I was going to make a Mariah Carey joke, but I just went nowhere. I think we all got it.

Sometimes just saying there's a joke in there. Everybody finishes it for you. It's cool. Everybody has their own timing. And then it becomes hilarious.

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Mr. Harrison's daughter is missing. And now at the house where she lives, the other girls are getting obscene phone calls. Looking for that moment when there's. Peace on earth, goodwill to men in the ghetto.

In the ghetto. Merry Christmas. I'm listening to Movie Meltdown because I'm John Saxon and I like to do that. In the ghetto. It's time for Sofa Theater.

Seven o'clock, psychos see Santa's workshop and only Lee Majors can stop them. In the night the reindeer die, be here. You can't show that commercial. That thing looks like the Manson family Christmas special. Think I'm way off base?

Yes, you're, well, you're dead off base, sir. Frank Cross is more than the youngest network president in television history. Call security, have them change his locks, and toss. Him out of the building. Oh, he's fired?

That's Christmas. Thank you. Call the county. Stop his bonus. I'll watch you out.

He's a thoughtful boss. Thanks, boys. Get the nurse. A generous brother. What did he give you last year?

I don't remember. A show. A curtain. I think you dropped something here. And a true humanitarian.

I can't get the antlers glued onto this little guy. We tried crazy glue. Maybe tried staples. But his life is about to change. That was a good one.

You are going to be visited by three ghosts tomorrow at noon. Tomorrow's bad for me, Lou. As a matter of fact, the whole rest of. The week is a washout now. Anyone who thinks he hates Christmas is wrong.

Come back to Jersey, you moron! It's ghosts he hates. I love that bit! I'm the ghost of Christmas present. Bill Murray.

Karen Allen. You sounded like you'd seen a ghost. A ghost? John Forsythe. Bobcat Goldthwait.

Hey! You going to see me or is this a shotgun in your pocket? You know this one? Everybody knows this one. Let's go now.

Now does everybody know this one? Carol Kane. Robert Mitchum. I really care! David Johansson.

Oh, I'm having the weirdest day! This holiday season, see Bill Murray get screwed. Hey, back off, big man. I may work with the chicks, but not with me. When I was a boy, I.

Never played with toys. Never had a friend, never laughed or cried much. And when I was a boy, my father was a man. With a strict and sturdy hand, no soft touch. Make that money.

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I've got your cash, your jewels. They're a whole mortgage to me. Make that money. Make that money. Make that money.

From the money on your tongue. Come make that money. Make that money. Listen, sonny, learn to sing. Before you're stoned.

I know cause he told me so. Told me so and I believe. It But people, elves are living in it. And if you ask them. Why they believe in it, it's kind of like they don't really, but they do because they think it's.

Nice to believe in stuff like that. It's called Santa Claus. You know, my completely mentally insane former roommate, he had a thing like that, but I don't know if he was serious or not. There was this really cool sewing table in the garage, and he's like, I kind of want to bring that inside, but I'm afraid I'm going to wake up and there's going to be an evil old lady hovering above my bed with needles for fingers. I've seen that Japanese movie.

Yeah. It was dark and we were standing in the driveway, and I was like, I'm going to go look at it. He's like, don't go in there. It's scary. And I was like, I'm not afraid of anything.

And a bat? The bat was. Living in the garage and I didn't know this and it flew and hit me in the head and I'm like fuck fuck fuck I'm afraid of bats I'm afraid of bats I'm afraid of bats so I like immediately had to retract like what I just said about not being afraid. Of anything yeah the real apex of that story was I'm not afraid. Of anything and then a bat you could have only topped it with I'll be right back and then a bat and then a bat a novel a novel And then a Louisville Slugger came upside my head.

And either way, it's not a good story. No, I mean, like, I was trying to tell my friend. Oh, she's sweet, but she's not very smart. And she was like, who hit you with a bat? And I was like, no.

Exactly. Exactly. You're like, it's okay. I took care of him. Don't you worry.

Motherfuckers coming at me with a bat. It's the last time. Sometimes you have to slap them in the face just. To get their attention. All right.

We are back into the sofa theater here. And this week's over the air feature is Scrooged. The year is 1988. The director, Richard Donner. The plot, according to IMDb.

A cynically selfish TV executive gets haunted by three spirits bearing lessons on Christmas Eve. Spoiler alert. You've never seen this story, so we don't want to ruin it for you. It's unfamiliar territory. You really just better go watch the movie.

All right. Where would you like to begin with Scrooge? I just want to say, like, I love Bill Murray. I think he's a fantastic actor. But Bill Murray trying to play a mean person is just...

It doesn't work. It just doesn't work. Not even a little bit. He's, like, trying to be a dick all the time. And it's just, like, you're...

You just... You just like laugh and walk away. You know what equally doesn't work is him trying to play a reformed dick at the very end when he's doing that big soliloquy for 20 minutes talking about the miracle and all that. Was it only 20 minutes? I mean the acting.

Well, you got the extended cut. His acting was just like so bad. It was like so bad that it like hurt my feelings deep inside. Deep. The special feelings that I have for Bill Murray.

Do you find him sexy? No. No, actually, except for once. I think it was last year he did GQ magazine or some men's magazine, and he looked adorable. But that's now.

But back then. No. Oh, no, no, no. Okay. I've always wondered if Bill Murray sort of represents a double standard.

He can be a movie star. He can headline a movie. He can bring it in because he's funny. He's not sexy. No.

With women comedians, it seems like women have to be pretty and funny. They can't just be funny, whereas men can be funny and still headline a movie. Is that a double standard? I feel like, I mean, there's a lot of funny women comedians that aren't sexy, so. But.

But do they headline a movie? Like, can they be the star? Most women don't get to headline a movie. Ellen DeGeneres and Mr. Wrong.

Yeah. Yep. I mean, like. But I think Ellen is very pretty. I mean, like, we're talking Murray pretty.

Well, I gotta tell you. I think Bill Murray is sexy. Okay, alright. And I didn't know he was sexy until later in life. But I was actually having this conversation with my boyfriend fairly recently where he asked, what is charisma?

And I was trying to explain what charisma is and how important charisma is in sexual attraction. I think especially, well, with both genders, but I think men can float on charisma maybe more successfully than women in the entertainment industry. Definitely in movies. I agree. And it wasn't until this movie where I was like, holy shit, Bill Murray is charisma.

That is charisma. But are there women who. Can you think of someone who can float on charisma? Or do they have to be pretty? Oh, I remember that lovely woman in Misery.

She's slamming that sledgehammer into that guy. I was smitten. You consider that charisma. She did it so sexy. Look how completely adorable Bill Murray is on the cover of this magazine.

I would slap him. You don't really seem to smile much. Usually he's like smirking. How come Roseanne never did any movies? Oh, she did.

They just weren't successful. She put hairspray in a microwave and turned it on and blew up a house. What? Was it She-Devil? Yeah, she was in She-Devil.

That's the way I do it. I've never ever seen any of her movies. Oh, wow. It's so adorable. The other unfair double standard is that men become more attractive.

He's much more. Attractive now than he ever was. He's become like a silver fox. I don't know. I think that's for really successful men.

But most ordinary men have a period when they're a certain age where they have charisma and they don't know why. And they don't know where it goes. I've talked to a lot of guys who went through this. It's like they go through this period where for about a year, they're interesting to women. And women want to be around them.

And they're like, what the fuck? What happened? But yeah, I know several people. That's how I got this. And then it wore off.

I'm still waiting. Like the couple of maybe two or three times in my life, when a woman has clearly tried to pick me up, I was wearing the same shirt each time. Same shirt. It's like a superstition, right? And later I realized I had this red shirt, and whenever I wore it the three times, and I told Lynn about it, and I've never seen that fucking shirt again.

You know, I mean, I know I've mentioned this before, but the one time in my life that I was hit on and checked out nonstop. You were wearing a red shirt? I was dressed like Pee Wee Herman. What? Well, there you go.

Yeah, that works for me, too. After I lost the red shirt, I started going that way. Was this the same time I saw you, or was this another time you were dressed up like you? It was the same time. Because given you, it could be one of many times.

You know, it was like your magic, it was the equivalent of Frosty's hat. That was your red shirt. You put it on, and suddenly, happy birthday, I'm adorable. Happy birthday. I was telling my neighbor about that once, and he was like, Actually, no, a woman's never tried to pick me.

That's never happened to me. And I'm like, that's weird. You're a better looking guy than me. He's like, I know. Okay, that's the thing, Fred.

If you are at a certain, if. I think as a guy, if you are at a certain, you know, attractiveness level, you don't go through your... Charismatic period. You know, you're just always coasting on your good looks. Which is most Hollywood stars, you know?

I guess. But, you know, that's like the pretty people. They never have to deal with that. But, you know, guys down in the trenches like me, it's like, oh, I'm feeling my month of charisma coming on. Oh, I've got to take advantage of this.

I don't really care about attractive guys that much, but like funny guys on the other hand? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree. And angsty guys. Angsty guys that hate women.

Yeah, I know. Angsty sexuals. That write, like, hundreds of books and don't publish them. Yeah. Somebody on a government list somewhere is what you're saying.

And hate you too. Yeah. So anyway, but Murray. I find that irresistible. See, I think this is a very, like, interesting period in bill murray's career like he has this weird span and if you look at his old roles he's he's he's just doing the bill murray thing yeah and like he's he does it and it's just there's a time specific comedic little points and he does it when it's right and this is that period right in the middle there where he first well he did there is the weird razor's edge thing which we almost need to come back to because that's like almost in its own universe But then it's like, this is the point where he started kind of, and I heard he actually like took a break and went like to Europe and started like studying acting and like legitimately tried to take himself seriously as an actor and not just, you know, be goofy like he did, you know, SNL style.

So this may be around that time because this is like that dividing line. I feel like it was like this. And then when he gets. To Ghostbusters 2. Not the one I'm thinking of.

Oh, no. Groundhog's Day. When he gets to Groundhog's Day. There's a lot of range in Groundhog's Day. I mean, it's because it fits the story.

That's pretty amazing. He's still doing his thing. He is. And he finds a way. I think that I think it's in this too.

And I think that's just the way I took it. And you guys seem to have a very different take on it. Well, I feel like he's he's this is possibly one of the most Bill Murray movies ever. Like. Every line in it feels like he ad-libbed it.

Like, everything he says feels like it's him. Yeah. It just felt like he was just making shit up and just, like, coming. And shooting in front of him. Which he kind of does.

Which really, yeah. I kind of think it was interesting that Bobcat was in this, too, because there was that time, like you said, where Bill Murray wasn't playing characters. He was just playing Bill Murray. But Bobcat was also just playing Bob, Bobcat, in every movie. Because he wanted to.

And Murray kind of went to different places with his acting, and Bobcat didn't. Yeah. Although I think Bobcat's really interesting now. I was strangely. Attracted to Bobcat in this movie.

Bobcat never meant to do that. He just got painted in that corner. Right. And he couldn't break it out. I think his movie's actually filled with dudes that are not attractive conventionally but are amazingly charismatic.

And I think Buster Poindexter is like the epitome of that. And I also was thinking watching that that like, oh, Tom Waits could have played that role too. Like, I wonder how many different people they withdrew. Before they landed on the movie. Sam Kenison was supposed to play that part.

Really? Interesting. Sam Kinison. An unattractive but charismatic man who got along with ladies. He would not have got along with Bobcat.

They didn't like each other because they both got confused with each other a lot. I confused them. I'm pretty sure it was Bobcat, although I also Google Sam Kinison as a backup. But there was an SNL short video about how they got into comedy. I think it was Bobcat, and it was really a nice little film, but I can't find it now.

It was about being on the speech team in high school, and he had his set speeches. He was the king of the speech team, and he was like, imagine a world without zinc. Pretty scary, isn't it? And then some new kid comes to school, and she gets up and talks about growing up in the ghetto with her mama, and he's like, I can't talk. I can't go up and talk about zinc now.

What am I going to do? And so he just gets up and starts talking about his family and stuff, and that's how he got into comedy. I'm pretty sure it was Bobcat, but I can't find the video anywhere. Interestingly enough, I've always, not anymore, but when I was a kid, for some reason up until the time I was like eight years old, I could not tell the difference between Bill Murray and Jim Belushi. I don't know why.

I don't know why. There's like, I know there's like no similarities, but like, Oh. That's like the Paxton Pullman failure. Yeah. That's when you can't tell Bill Paxton.

I don't get that either. Yeah. I don't get that. It's a condition that affects many Americans. I can't tell Bill Pullman from Jeff Daniels.

Yeah. Well, see, that's another one. Yeah. Uh, That one is... I don't think that's actually in the manual disorders yet.

It's a new fundraiser we're starting. You know, this was actually the first time I ever saw this movie. It's a whole different perspective. Oh, okay. It's amazing how quickly something dates.

And, like, I was. I completely forgot about the concept of the solid gold dancers. But you were happy to be reminded. In a weird way. And the thing is, I remember they were a big deal, but I can't remember why.

Was it because of their outfits or were they actually really good dancers? I think it was the whole package. I think it was the solid gold. Sometimes. And there were.

Only three channels on the television. Sometimes you could see the nipples, too. I was kind of wanting Madam to pop up, you know, but she didn't. The little Madam puppet. Remember her?

You don't remember her? You are having flashbacks now. On Solid Gold? Yeah, on Solid Gold. There was a guy who did a puppet who looked like Lady Elaine Fairchild from Mr.

Rogers. Oh. And she was this sassy, brassy, old lady puppet. And she was kind of the equivalent of Triumph, the insult comedy dog, only in the 80s on Solid Gold. Kids, go to YouTube.

Solid Gold, madam. This is your homework tonight, Lucy. This needs to happen. I need to see weird. Punch and Judy puppets.

It's totally, exactly, a Punch and Judy puppet. And she had a big red nose. Does anyone watch Game of Thrones? Yeah. Okay, have you ever noticed how much King Joffrey looks like the puppet lady from Mr.

Rogers? Lady Elaine Fitzgerald. Lady Elaine. He looks just like Lady Elaine. It grabs me insane.

No one else agrees with me. And I always thought Lady Elaine was a ruthless tyrant on that show. So I totally get it. Did anybody ever see when REM appeared on Sesame Street? Yeah, and they had a puppet standing in for the girl from B-52s.

Yeah, who had her hair. And shiny happy. This is scary. That's her. Show Lucy.

This is scary. Lucy. Remember her? Oh, yeah. I do remember her.

I do remember her. Oh, wait. Show the microphone so people can hear. Bravissimo, Paul. What a beautiful song.

Thank you, madam. You know it should have won an Academy Award. It did win an Academy Award in 1976. 1976? I missed it.

Must have been in a coma that year. Well, I have the Oscar at home to prove it. A little guy there. Oh, I envy you, Paul. I really do.

It was nice to be a winner, you know? Great. But I need an Oscar more than you do. No. I'd love to have a little naked man right next to my bed every night.

Well, what time do I show up at your place? Walk away? Ooh, I wonder what the neighbors would think. I don't care what they think. We'll pull the shades.

Oh, forget it. If I'm going to have Paul Williams in my bedroom, I want everyone to know about it. She was the puppet who would do wisecracking antics in between the songs. She looks like Phyllis Diller. She's supposed to look like Phyllis Diller.

Is it Phyllis Diller? Did Phyllis Diller voice her? But like in between the songs and the dancers dancing, the madam would do wise cracking comments about the topical things of the day. The Phyllis Diller you're thinking of was just an actress playing her. I'm really just vexed by this.

She's holding up a picture of Lady Lane Fairchild and Solid Gold's Madam, and they look like separated at birth. It's amazing. That's what people do. It's just they use resemblances that people are familiar with. And so that's why so many new actors and actresses look like the old actors and actresses.

It's part of the process. Is that why every country singer is tiny and blonde now? Because it's just a non-ending sequence of tiny blonde country singers. It's amazing. They're probably just breeding them on an island somewhere.

Like, you know. They're actually grafts of Dolly Parton's breast. Grafts? Grafts, like grafting skin. Oh, I get it.

Okay. Clooning her. Oh. I was thinking of a car. Yeah, that's what I thought you meant, like with arrows and formula off to the side.

You can see it reaches a high here and then it sort of descends again. But, you know, I was also excited. There were two times I saw a tab soda can. Twice. Twice.

It's a nice thing, man. I loved tab when I was a kid. I saw the tab. I also saw a bottle of Prosecco, I think, in the opening scene. See, you were talking about how quickly it dates, and I think I was going the other way.

Like, I hadn't seen this in years, and I'm watching it, and I'm like... They were so far ahead of the curve on what they're making fun of on television. You mean like the reality show? Like, it was frightening. I was just like, this was our Bob Goulet's Cajun.

I want to see Bob Goulet's Cajun Christmas. I want to see it. His marketing of their stupid shows is like what's on most of the time now. I'm like, that's real now. They're ahead of the curve.

Also, the name of the channel, IBC, isn't that Root Beer? Was that... Meant to be a joke, or was it just a coincidence? I don't know. I don't think they would have purposefully gone that way.

Oh, that's great. Because if they had, they would have gone A and W. I figured they were doing like NBC, IBM, and just sort of jammed them together. Corporate network thing. I thought they should have gone with IBS.

That would have been really funny. I thought they should have. Gone with TAB. I don't know. I missed everything in the 80s.

I didn't like go on the TV or go to movies. I think I saw two movies in the 80s. And so a lot of it is like really strange to me. Well, this is like later 80s. It's not pure 80s.

Yeah, it was like after Ghostbusters and stuff. And I found myself, and I guess I do this a lot now, just Trying to place faces in the movie. Immediately I saw, oh, that's the guy from the New York Dolls who became Buster Poindexter, and that's kind of cool. And I didn't realize, and you wouldn't think to watch this movie when you see that guy, that it would make a bass player jump out a window, but it did. The bass player from the New York Dolls, when he saw the movie, jumped out a window.

There's been a lot of bitterness with Buster, who wasn't Buster back then. David. Yeah, David. And then Cain, Arthur Cain, the bass player, he wasn't doing anything. His career was sort of over and he was really frustrated.

And when he saw that movie, it just like, and he jumped out a window, and it messed up the way he talked. Just like, you know, Rocky. Timmy Rocky. Yeah, yeah. Is this a real story?

It's a real story. There's a movie about it called New York Doll. Are you sure. A ghost didn't just come and hang him out of a window? No, he popped out.

It happens. I saw it one time in a movie. When I was watching that movie, I kept thinking that Johnny Knoxville looks like a more attractive version of Buster Poindexter. Slightly. Kind of.

Well, did he clean up his teeth or something? Because that was... That disturbed me. But yeah, there's a documentary about the bass player, because I think there ought to be a documentary just about tragic bass players. I think there should be one about tragic saxophonists, but that's a whole other conversation we can have.

And later, Morrissey was a fan of the New York Dolls, so he got them back together to play in London, and I think two days later, Cain... felt like he got the flu and it turned out he had leukemia and he died the next day. What? Yeah. I guess if you're going to die of leukemia, that's kind of the way to go. I guess.

Yeah. Um, but yeah, there's a documentary about it called New York doll. I'll have to look into that. I was interested in it because I remembered Buster Poindexter and all of a sudden it's that guy. That's so clever just to like do something totally different.

Um, See, his career. All these people in that movie, I kept going, that's C.W. Moss from Bonnie and Clyde. Yes, that was amazing. That was crazy.

Everybody's in there. You're bringing up something. Whenever we were watching the movie and we were watching the credits, there's a credit I had never seen before. And it said, celebrity lookalikes provided by Ron Smith's celebrity lookalikes. I was like, who are the lookalikes in this movie?

Bill Murray? Yeah. Maybe. Was that the real Bill Murray? I didn't know Bill Murray was like...

I didn't know... They were like the bald. Ones or something. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

They've always been in his stuff. It's funny that this one, they're all family. Were they his real brothers? I didn't even know there's a business that provides celebrity lookalikes. Oh, yeah.

The brother. Oh, I didn't know that. Well, Brian Dolmary's been in everything. Joel, it is Joel, right? Yeah.

He's in Moving Violations. That's my only real connect. He's the one in Mad Men, right? He may be. Yes.

He's sort of the failed copywriter. I think he was on like a sitcom in the 90s. But other than that, like he's the one that just sort of like every once in a while turns up. But Brian's in like tons of stuff. He's just not Bill.

So it's like. He just gets character roles, you know, constantly. There's a funny, oh, sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, Joel Murray, he's the guy in the movie where he and that teenage girl go on the shooting rampage. Oh, yeah.

That's Bobcats. Which is a Bobcat Goldthwait movie. It's all coming together. He's come back, like, again, I'm seeing him a little more in later years, but yeah, like, he went for a stretch where, like, that's his first movie and then it kind of disappeared and he would turn up in Bill Murray stuff every once in a while, like, Just because he asked him to, I guess. But yeah, it seems like he's the one that would go for long stretches before.

There's a funny. I heard Kelly Lynch tell a story in some interview where she was saying that I guess her husband is friends with the Murray brothers, who she calls Bill Murray and. His idiot brothers. And she said that I guess every time that they would see Roadhouse on television... That one of the Murray brothers, whoever was available to make the phone call at the time, would call up her husband and say, your wife is on TV right now doing it with Patrick Swayze.

And no matter what time of the night it was, the phone would ring and there would be one of the. Idiot Murray brothers right now. Kelly's doing it with Patrick Swayze. Okay, that's kind of awesome. And if I had Kelly's husband's number, I would probably do it now.

I would. That's kind of awesome. It might be different in a post-Swasey world. They probably stopped. I don't know.

Out of respect. Now it's just like legendary. Do you know what she's doing? It! With Patrick Swasey!

Like, that's impressive. With ghosts! Nobody gets to say that anymore. I mean, that's an impressive thing. I also didn't realize that Robert Mitchum was Preston.

I didn't even realize that. And who's the actor who looks like sort of a Kmart David Bowie? Who's that guy? I didn't understand why he was a bad guy. Which one are you talking about?

John Glover? No. You're talking about the guy who was brought in to help out, who was the up-and-comer blonde guy. I don't understand why he was supposed to be a bad guy. Because he's a douche.

But he was getting things done and people liked him. Why is he the bad guy? No, look, here's the thing. What Bill Murray was doing was commercial. But what he was doing was commercial.

You see what I'm saying? Oh, it's Artisan versus Walmart. Right, yeah. But I think that might have been a thing in the 80s, wasn't it? Like all the blonde frat kids, the rich kids, they were always the enemy.

Yeah, if you had that hair, you were. and he gave birth to Lex Luthor so keep that. In mind and he was in that video thing with Mick Jagger. He was dressed really weird then tails. You know one of my favorite things about this movie is when they're like I guess it's like a gym thing and it says cross something that you nail people to. That's his office that's his office I mean that was just awesome I think it's that kind of stuff.

I think that, again, talking about just their TV shows, but also just his approach that fear sells media. I'm like, oh my god, that's gotten so much worse than. He could even imagine. That's cable news now. He was just blatantly stating that.

That's interesting to look at now. I gotta say, my favorite line wasn't by Murray, it was the Who was the president of the company? Who was that? Mission? Yeah, yeah.

Like, he's talking about how they need to have TV for animals. See, that too. And he said, you know how Kojak would always suck on a sucker, you know? Maybe we can. Have a show with a detective who dangles a string around a lot, you know?

I'm listening to that part, and I'm like, that's funny, but I'm like, it's almost sad because I'm like, this was in a pre-internet world. In the post-internet world, all we do is look at little cats chasing danglings. I'm like, how much worse has it gotten now? Not only is. There programming for cats, but we've become the ones that watch cats.

I don't know. It's so many levels of sad. The cats are pawing at the TV, and he's like, nailed it! The other day at work, I heard a guy finish what he was eating, and he was like, pushed his bowl away and he goes crushed it and i have not been able to stop saying crushed it since then and i'm like embarrassed for myself mostly for that guy but like also very embarrassed that his weirdness rubbed off on me because i don't need any more weirdness but yeah. So now i get that you heard a guy finish his food.

She just loiters around waiting for people. To finish their food. Well, I was standing right there. I saw the guy finish his food and he crushed it. He was talking to me.

I mean, I wasn't just like eating. Like you could podcast a guy finishing his food. If we could, we would. There used to be this really, really handsome guy that would come into work. Had no charisma, right?

Not really. See, he didn't eat it. He's handsome. Yeah, I know, but his name is Sean, and he's like the loudest eater ever, so I started calling him Slurpee Sean behind his back. Hope you're not listening, Sean.

But you are very handsome. Yeah. No charisma. I mean, come on. Hi.

I'm sorry to just. Well, I didn't get your message until this morning, and I tried to call, but they said that you. Weren't in yet, and then I tried to call back, and they said that you were busy, so I just. God, you look different. Well, it's been a while.

It's your hair. I've never seen it so short. It makes you look sort of grown up. Is she going to be all right? Oh, yeah.

She's a real pro. She's very professional. What about you? You sounded like you'd seen a ghost. A ghost?

You mean the phone call last night? I came across your number, and I just had to call you immediately. I know you, Lumpy. I know that voice. That was the frightened Lumpy I heard.

Excuse me, Lumpy. Around these parts, most people call me Mr. Cross. I'll admit, I've only seen two Karen Allen movies. Oh, that was going to be my next topic.

Yeah, well, three if you count the Crystal Skull. No, if you count that other actress, who she is. Does she always play... The girl from the past who got away and was perfect. Is that her thing?

And she can work it, because you know what? She's adorable. I don't know. I'm a sucker for Karen Allen. She's so damn adorable.

But is that really her thing? It seems to be. I mean, she's been in a lot of other stuff, but I don't know that she always gets to be that. It's the freckles, isn't it? She's not that in Animal House.

It might be the smile. There's something about her smile. But I confuse her with that girl who was in Superman. margot kidder yeah she is not when she first came up because my boyfriend was like who is that and i was like well. It's either the girl from superman or it's karen allen and we'll find out soon enough. I feel like karen ellen never like caught on the way she probably should have like she's in several like huge movies and like it's not that she's not a really good actress like did you ever see her in the glass menagerie no they filmed that version and it's like her and like Malkovich is in it like it's an amazing cast and it's this really good version and like that kind of went by and I'm like okay so she's doing dramatic work she's doing these blockbusters and then just kind of disappeared until that cursed crystal skull.

Wasn't she the number two choice for Princess Leia I don't know. I feel like I read that somewhere everybody tried out for those roles more than likely she was in there somewhere I. Don't know I couldn't have seen that so they Got the zombie thing going 20 years too soon. Cutting edge. That's cutting edge.

I love the scene where the mouse pushes the golf ball out of the back of his head. While we're on the mice thing, that may be my favorite line in the movie. Have you tried staples? I don't know. I think he's pretty convincing as a dick right there.

Yeah, you know, I don't remember ever seeing anyone in a movie... manhandling children the way he does. He physically picks them up and shakes them. Have you seen Iron Man 3? No. He's addicted to.

That kid the whole time too. But again, Robert Downey Jr., he can pull that off. This is like a little kid. He's picking them up and shaking them. I don't think you can do that.

PETA gets in the way or something. PETA. Kid PETA gets in there and stops them. PETA. No.

PETA? PETA. PETA. I don't know. PETA.

PETA. Has everybody seen that $ 5 bill that you can draw on in a way that Lincoln becomes Bill Murray? No. I don't think you're supposed to deface legal tenure. Once you see it, you can't unsee it because there is a resemblance.

Like, if you watch Bill Murray's mouth, sometimes he sort of misregistered. He sort of pouts to the side a little bit, and he gets that lower lip droop to one side that Lincoln has. And also, he and Lincoln were both a little rough-faced, and they have those, like, angular cheekbones. And so, yeah, if you just Google Bill Murray $ 5 bill... There are several versions, but one is really good.

Now I have to do this. I think the best known one, they knew they did a good job, and they wrote Bill fucking Murray. Next to it. And that's the one that comes up the most. But all the way through it, I'm sort of watching him with that in mind, and every now and then he'll do that Lincoln lip thing.

Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. Yeah. Show it to the microphone. So everyone at home can hear it.

Yeah, this has been the picture podcast. Yeah. Wow. And see, that is actually a video. And that's part of his, why he's so much more successful than his brothers is he has what's called cachet.

Which, if you look it up in the dictionary, it's like having a greenish tint or generally the look of money. And it comes from Bill Murray resembling... lincoln i think um but yeah that that's been going around for a while bill murray on the five dollar bill. He's got something because it doesn't i mean it doesn't make sense why he hits so much more than others and it's all like that air that he has like he just can kind of deliver just about anything. And the way he carries himself it works. And i have a theory too um i'm gonna totally mangle this but there's a great clark gable quote and i can't remember exactly what it is the gist of it is i know that life is great and people know that i know life is great and that's why they watch me he was like i'm not the most talented i'm not the most this but i know life is great and they like that And I think that's.

Kind of the Bill Murray thing. Like, the dude's just having fun. He does have fun. Positive attitude. You can tell.

Yeah. Well, and he's always in control of everything, which was true of, like, the older stars. Like, he kind of does have that, like, Clark Gable, Cary Grant. Like, all those guys just kind of came in and did their own thing, and, like, they didn't even stick to the script half the time. They were just like, whatever, I'm the star of this movie.

And, like, it's kind of true of this, like, of all of his movies, especially as he gets bigger. Like, He comes into stuff later, and it's just like, there is no script anymore. Like, he just does, and this feels like that first one, really, where it's just like, everything is Bill Murray. Well, you know, the guy who wrote the movie was really unhappy with it and swore that he wrote a better movie. He was that guy, you know, from SNL who used to do, like, the least loved children's stories.

Like, The Little Engine That Died. You remember he used to wear sunglasses or mirrored glasses and he was sort of the skinny guy. No, Michael Donahue or something. But he did a lot of really black humor and I think he was on the show twice. He left for a while.

He did that Mr. Mike thing. Yeah, but he swore they wrote a much better movie. And of course, when you start into a movie based on Christmas Carol, you have no idea where it's going or what's going to happen. I mean, all bets are off.

Why are people always... No, no, go on, go on. Nothing. Go ahead. You sounded so enthusiastic.

Well, I just found out that the co-writer is Mitch Glazer, who is actually Kelly Lynch's husband. So that is the one. Dude, let's call him right now. More interestingly, he was married to Wendy Malick when the movie was made. If everybody noticed Wendy Malick popping up in there.

Sorry. As you were. No, I was just. It's always funny how in these movies, people are forcibly, against their will, made to realize the true meaning of Christmas. And I always wondered...

Does this happen with other religions? Are you forcibly made to realize the true meaning of Hanukkah? Yes. Is there a ghost of Kwanzaa past that comes around and makes you know the real meaning? Could be.

Well, there was an Onion story last week that an extremist Buddhist cell was going to unleash tranquility on the U.S. It's not funny. Don't joke about that, man. Is it a gas? Yes.

We can't handle tranquility here. Don't joke about that. I just like that Bill Murray, like, if you think about most comedians, they kind of fizzle out. You know, like, Eddie Murphy was huge. And then, even Steve Martin, who I love.

Like, I love Steve Martin. His career is shit. Yeah. His career is total shit now. He turned a corner and he started.

Yeah. Just taking roles, and you can tell a big difference most of those jobs. That never really happened with Bill Murray. It kind of went the other way. Bill Murray was always classy from the beginning, and he was classy not because he tried to act classy.

He would do the most classless things on the show. But I always had a problem with Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase never really made me laugh. I do love his. See, I don't.

It's because he's broken inside, as we now know. Yeah, I guess. What do you mean? I don't know this. He wrote an autobiography where he talked about his mom who abused him, and there was a.

Whole big thing about him. That's not funny. Tears of a clown, kind of. I think every comedian ever, or pretty much anybody who's ever produced anything worthwhile, has had some type of horrible life. Normal, well-adjusted people...

Don't, like, just make awesome things, usually. Like, I hate to say it, but it's just. Well, there's no. We're not dedicated enough. And that's why I knew Tina Fey was lying when she said she had been a mean girl.

And I'm like, no, you weren't. You were that. smart girl she said she was a mean girl she was Janice Ian and that's why she wrote. That she was the girl that hung around with the mean girl I. Think she's created this I think she's created this kooky wacky persona which is not true it's just something that she and she's really that have. You read her autobiography though? no I mean, she was mean, but, like, it was, like, a pretentious, like, I'm smarter than you mean.

Yeah, that's not the mean girl. It wasn't, like, a popular, like, oh, my God, I'm so funny. Mean girls were pretty much how Jenny did. I'm better than all the rest of them. Like, on 30 Rock, when it flashes back to, like, Liz Lemon as a teenager, that's pretty much just how Tina Fey was.

Like, that's just her. Yeah. Yeah. But the mean girls I knew, they weren't funny or witty because they didn't have to be. Right.

Anything they did. Exactly. They didn't have to try, and they wouldn't either. But they did have a few other girls who would hang around with them who were actually funny and had to try. Yeah.

But they were not, they were one of being girls yeah I'm. The Chevy chase it's funny that you mentioned him because in watching this I started trying to again because I started looking at like the fact that Bill Murray ends up in this movie at this point in his career and I started trying to put other people in I'm like if he didn't do it they were gonna make this movie they would have cast somebody else and I'm like Chevy was kind of at that same point in his career and And I'm like, he could not pull this off. It's a very specific type of charisma you need to make this role work. And then I started casting it like, okay, when they remake it six more times, when they do it now, I'm like, they're going to give it to Jim Carrey, which they kind of did for the weird motion capture thing.

But I'm like, I can see him trying to do the same thing, and it still doesn't work. I don't know. And he can even do drama. Yeah. But I think he gets so caught up in his slapsticky nonsense that, like, he can't commit enough on most of the things, and I think it would overshadow.

There's just so many people I kept coming up with, and none of them could have made it work like, I mean, again, it's kind of the Bill Murray show. I mean, you know, like, on to Jim Carrey, but, like, his heyday has lasted for a really fucking long time, like. Which one? Jim Carrey? Jim Carrey.

Well, he just found a way to make it money. He cashed in on it and kept doing it for a lot longer than he probably needed to. He's one of the other people that I think will just eventually transition into being like a... Very respected. I wish he would.

He's got it in him. He can do it. His serious movies are the best movies. Yeah, he can do it. He gets so caught up.

Well, he's not going to do it now since he's signed on to do Dumb and Dumber 2. Yay! I don't know. I was just trying to come up with other people and it's like there's so many that just couldn't pull this off. I think somebody like Malkovich could have done it.

How somebody who's not really a comedy guy could have. See, that's the thing. And I think that's why this ends up working. Because I think this is the point where Bill Murray starts taking that other approach. And I feel like...

I don't know. I don't really feel like it works. I'm going to have to say I don't think it works. Again, I think he's just getting into it. I think it doesn't really fully come together until you hit something like Groundhog Day.

But I think. You can see it working here. I think there are moments where he pulls it off and you do see, okay, he's doing something else and he's doing something he didn't have to do. That's like a different type of approach. I'm trying to think there were a couple of them.

There's like the, I mean, the moments with Claire are always kind of like that. Like he'll go back and forth from being his normal jerky self to like, you can actually see that there's a real person there. But even, like, the end when he's at the future and he's looking at her, there's, like, a real regret there when he realizes he's the catalyst that, like, can lead people down the wrong road and, like, make them, you know, as unhappy and sad as his life was. A catalyst, you say? What is a catalyst?

Wait, what is that? You're flashing back to another holiday episode. That moment is burned into my brain where he says somebody is a catalyst. What is a catalyst, you ask? Well, this is another flashback moment.

I love that movie, but I don't remember that part at all. You never know how or when we will meet a person who will become a catalyst. Or who will lead us to one? What is a catalyst? Well, in this case, a catalyst is a person that will bring about changes.

They could be good or bad. But there will be changes. You can meet one almost anywhere in your everyday life. In a supermarket, drugstore, anywhere. Even riding down the Florida Turnpike.

I just loved his little philosophical, and he's smoking and red-faced, and he's explaining the world to the audience of Thanksgiving. It was Blood Feast, but whatever. It's just lovely that there's a philosopher on hand while we're watching this movie. Oh, for Blood Feast. Okay, yeah.

Yeah, Blood Freak said I didn't love that much. Thanks Killing is gold, though. Or Blood Freak. I can't think of two of them. Blood Freak.

Blood Freak. Yeah. Whatever. One of those. Yeah.

Okay. Something. How much did VCRs cost in 1988? Why was that? They were still pricey.

Yeah, they were a lot. Like, I don't know if that's just funny, too. But it was a top-of-the-line pioneer. Yeah. Pioneer.

So much product placement in this movie. Put out some good stuff. Yeah. Because it's like now even giving someone like a Blu-ray player, that's probably just like, 100 or something. I bet even at that point they were probably a good 500 or more.

I'm just giving everybody towels. And that's when they win. It's a really great gift. Yeah. And his little assistant, I was fascinated.

Alfre Woodard. Yeah, I'm like, God, I know her so well. I know her face. And I was thinking, well, she looks a little like Angela Bassett, but Angela Bassett is tall and she does the sexy ingenue thing. And then I realized it was my kid's third grade teacher, Miss Winstead.

That's where I knew her from. My kid's third grade teacher was Angela Bassett? Yeah, and I also saw her in Homicide and a bunch of other stuff. She's been in a lot of stuff, so her face is just omnipresent. At the end of the movie when the little boy talks, I was watching it with my best friend and I started crying a little bit and she did too.

We realized how fucking stupid it was to cry at that moment. Who saw that coming? I teared up and she was making fun of me but she. Was tearing up too. That wasn't even worthy of it.

I won't call you out because I'm a sap. And it wasn't even the kid. It was mostly just the Murray breakdown, which you guys didn't even like. But I'm just like, there's so much in that that I feel like is legit. And I think some of it is his performance, and I think some of it is just me, that I'm the old curmudgeon at this point.

And I'm watching him have this breakthrough. I don't know. It was like a weird moment that I'm like, I don't hate that last 15 minutes. I feel like it's actually... works in a weird way and you almost have to have it to have the rest of this work. Well you know that stuff really is important to bill murray he's talked about remembering people who like he worked at a golf course or something and country club and he just remembered when people were nice and they didn't have to be and what people were just assholes and it was important thing to him but uh when the kids spoke what it made me think of was uh uh dustin hoffman the story about his first acting role.

He played Tiny Tim in the high school play, and some of the older kids talked him in, or dared him to say, God bless. Us all, God damn it. And he did, and he was suspended from school. Wow. That was the beginning of his career.

That's pretty great. God bless us all, God damn it. That's a great story. I can't you to have said that, because that would be pretty bad. Yeah.

That would have been adorable. But I don't know. I think that wrap up really works. And I think it's because it's just, it is like a weird honest moment that like you get this guy that's putting on this like show the whole time. Like everything that he does.

And I think that's why you were saying like you don't buy him being mean because everything feels like he's so overdoing it to mask whatever the hell is really going on with him. And I think it comes through. even when he's like over, he's almost seems like he's overacting. It's not, if you know Bill Murray, it's just what he does, but it seems like there's so much of what he's doing. That's like covering up that. It's almost like, I think he's, that's at the point where I feel like he's actually being a pretty good actor because it's almost a layered thing.

Like you, if you watch it on the surface, he's doing this really cheesy over the top performance, but there's moments when it feels like he's doing it. Even within the character, he's doing it on purpose to cover up the fact that he's he's really uncomfortable about what's going on or he's like trying to deal with something and has no way to do it other than to just be a dick and like I don't I think this is what again that turning point where I feel like he started doing that and I think there's moments when it really works well. Just for the record you left me you had to go somewhere and get your head together or something well baby my head is just fine check it out. It's right here where it belongs.

What's the point? It's lonely at the top. It's not lonely at the top. Oh, maybe around my birthday and that sunset. I never had a couple of weekends that would have raised hell with even a really normal person.

But that's me. I'm a widow of business. That's my life. I've chosen it. At least I work someplace that you can find when you're looking for it.

Okay, here we are now. When I want a wife. I'm gonna buy one! And she's gonna be devoted to me! To my wants and my needs!

Not like you! Let's face it, you're treated me like dirt. Oh, Lord, another wild and woolly one. Honey, you look frozen. Yeah, no, well, I agree.

Oh, of course, Brian. We agree with you, Brian. And I kind of wish that I'd been in the theater so I could have sang along. Because my boyfriend was asleep at that point. And I was like, I'll sing both sides.

Because you're a real woman. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I love that part. No, the real women. You know.

Here's one that, like, in this... I remember even, like, years ago when I saw it. Like, everybody else feels like they're pretty consistent within the silly story. But, like... And then as I watched it this time, I was like, it's not just this movie.

I realized. Always. Is it just me, or does it feel like Carol Kane's in another movie? In every movie she's in. Like, I don't dislike her.

She's funny. But she always feels like she's in a different movie than everybody else in the movie. I feel like, I don't know, I really feel like that in this one. Like, she just seems a little different in her delivery than everybody else. Like, she's, I mean, there's the.

I would say it feels like she's on a variety show. Yeah. Yeah. Which, again, maybe is why I don't hate her. Like, I think she is entertaining.

It's kind of like when Harvey Korman turns up in the Star Wars special. Yeah. It's like, who's that guy? He's funny, but. Something's off here, and I don't know what it is.

But then I started thinking the other scene like that that she's super well-known for is, like, Princess Bride. Yeah. I always felt like both of them are in a different movie. I'm like, everybody in that movie, like, takes themselves pretty seriously. Like, that's sort of the joke of it is that everybody's very... deadpan and very like serious in the way they deliver these storybook you know lines and then those two come in like some sort of crazy slapstick movie that's going on for five minutes and deliver these weird modernized jokes and like all this other stuff and then like disappear and have fun storming the castle and like like what movie was that part out of and I'm like I think she's just like that like I started thinking of other roles I'm like she's just always in her own little world I think.

I never really think I just If I see her, I just know what it's going to be like. She kind of has. That one thing. She can only do one thing. She didn't start that way because you go back like her weird horror roots.

She's just a normal actress. It's like she gets more and more cheesy as she goes on. So I guess maybe it's just that was her road or maybe she was doing improv or something and that became her thing i'm. Not familiar with her horrific past you just know her from oh there's carol kane. When a stranger calls i think is the one she's in and she's the babysitter and it's just normal straight kind of cheesy horror role but yeah she doesn't ham it up like she later does in just about.

Every Then there was Buddy Hackett. And then the fine acting skills of Buddy Hackett. Coupled with Jamie Farr. How can you go wrong? Mary Lou Retton.

Yeah, there was one point when I thought somebody said Lebanese or Scrooge because I remembered Klinger was always supposed to be Lebanese. Well, I mean, there were sea urchins bothering him. What do you want? And then I kept it. Was it the same set as that great moment when Cher came out and sang Oh, holy night, that Paul Schaefer.

Has been doing everything. Oh, and that was Paul Schaefer. You saw who he was playing with, right? Again, a little of everybody thrown in. I'm like, so he just passed by Miles Davis on the street, telling him for change.

Yeah, and the other guy. Well, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, Paul Schaefer was connected to SNL, so that one made sense. But I'm like, do you just know Miles Davis? How did that come together?

Yeah. The street musicians. Yeah, I didn't pick up on that. Oh, yeah, it's Miles Davis. It wasn't a Miles Davis impersonator?

That's not who the impersonation. Oh, I don't think so. I think that was Ben. I don't know who the impersonator was. That's the thing, they had so many real people in this, I don't know why you would need impersonators.

It was a Bill Murray impersonator. Yeah. I don't know. Well, maybe it was, I don't know, who was being impersonated. I didn't see anybody.

That was definitely a major. It was just a credit, you know. Was there a W.C. Moss impersonator? It was Santa Claus.

It was Santa Claus impersonator. They couldn't really get William J. Pollard to confirm. They were like, eh, he's got a lot of other weird guy roles. I don't think he can do it.

Did you know there was a song about him? There's a song about everybody. Pollard for Precedent. Oh, God. It was in 68, but it used some tape of...

Kennedy in the background and people felt that it was tasteless after Kennedy was assassinated. Because there was that guy who lived in Louisville who had been like the king of impersonating Kennedy. What was his name? Mater? He changed his name because his whole career was built on Kennedy impersonations.

He impersonated the whole kid. How'd that work out for him? Vaughn Mader. Oh. Vaughn Mader.

Wait, is that that first family record? Yeah. That guy's from Louisville? Well, he wasn't from Louisville, but he wound up living in Louisville after his career was assassinated. He was doing great, and then all of a sudden, ooh, you can't do that.

But he never really made fun of them. It was really nice, but people thought it was funny. And he tried to get together another act after that, but he couldn't do anything else as well. And he said himself, like you could feel the audience trying to help him. And he wound up playing honky-tonk piano around Louisville and used a different name.

And I knew people who knew him. From just, you know, hanging around in Louisville. So do you think when people do Kennedy impersonations today, are they impersonating Kennedy or are they impersonating his impersonation? Well, you know, it's funny you say that because a lot of impersonations take on a life of their own. And people in comedy steal them from each other.

Like the guy who did Ed Sullivan impersonations. It didn't sound at all like Ed Sullivan, but it became a thing that everybody did. And everybody did it that way, even though. Well, actually, Carlin was like, the key to your Ed Sullivan impersonation was to just have the most outlandish acts. Yeah.

You know, like, now next, the Bronze Age. And everybody would do that really big shoe. Yeah. And it's like, he never said that. Sort of like Captain Kirk never said, beat me up, but that became essential to your Captain Kirk impersonation.

That's interesting. How did that come about? Does anybody know? I mean, that's probably a whole other episode, but... Like the beat me up Scotty thing, like.

Play it again, Sam? It's probably the memory. It's probably the memory cheating. You know, like you saw it whenever you were a kid and you misremember and you fill in the blanks. But it became like a culturally.

Like. yeah we're culturally ignorant is the problem it's like one person imitates it on a sketch show and it takes on a life of its own you think that that's what it was in. You know yeah we don't need no stinking badges. Yeah yeah huh. Yeah and things get telescoped too like um people create their own uh well, well, you know, like how the teaser for a movie might have stuff that isn't in the movie. People create their own teasers for reality and they, you know, they think that would have been cool.

They should have done it that way. Um, but yeah, uh, the story was just, uh, to finish the story on Vaughn Mader, I can't remember his other name. It was Abbott something. He went by another name later, but, uh, the story was that, uh, when, um, When Kennedy was assassinated, oh, who's the comedian? I can't think of, you know, Hoffman played him, looked exactly like him.

Lenny Bruce. Lenny Bruce. When he came out that day for his set, he said, poor Von Mater. Yeah, if you go to any thrift store right now in the city of Louisville or any city across America, there'll be at least two copies of that First Family album. I ran into it all the time.

My mom has an album called The First Family Rides Again. It was the sequel. Yeah, I have that. Somebody gave it to me who's a friend of his. It's kind of funny.

I never wanted to shell out the 50 cents. Yeah, I never... Somebody dropped it off at my door. Like somebody I knew online, I dropped off a present at her house and she dropped off something at my house. But the weird thing is, did the Kennedys have their own accent?

I've never heard anybody else have that accent. And that's why I'm wondering if people today, when they imitate Kennedy, they're imitating the imitators. It's like, did Ronald Reagan ever, did he really say well as much as... as the impersonators make it out. I mean, Ted Kennedy still had that accent. Ted Kennedy carried it on.

They become a caricature. Yeah, yeah. Like you were saying, it takes a life of its own. I think, though, I'm going to... have to say Reagan really did. I don't think he referenced mommy quite as much in the speeches as comedians did.

As Rich Little did. Who's that? Never heard of him. He should have been at Scrooge. They had everyone else there.

What I didn't notice until this time... It was like how... Like, again, it almost feels like... And this would be weird, I guess, because I don't know that... It'd be different if it was somebody that's, like, hardcore into it.

But I don't know that Richard Donner's all that into Looney Tunes. But this had such a, like, Looney Tunes vibe to it that I didn't really remember. But watching him, like... I'm not getting it. What do you mean?

Well, he shoots him and he drinks a glass of water and the water shoots out. Like, these are all just bits from Looney Tunes. It's funny you say that because I always thought that about... Lethal Weapon, which he also directed. Well, I mean, that's more of a Three Stooges, I guess.

Or it's almost more Warner Brothers. Which one? Warner Brothers, Lethal Weapon. Yeah, I mean, it's all from that family. Classic cartoon quality.

But I mean, this, even like you've got your guy running around chasing him with a shotgun. He even makes the Hello Rabbit reference. Oh, yeah. And then when he comes back, he kisses him on the mouth, like Bugs Bunny used to do for no good reason to everybody. So I'm like, so much of this, like even the karaoke.

I'm sure you had this for reasons. She's like smacking people in the face with a toaster like it's Tom and Jerry. I'm like, there's so much of this. She did try to poke him in the eye and he blocked it. Yeah, it's like it's so.

There's the falling off the building. So Looney Tunes. I don't know. And I didn't remember it being that. But yeah, it's felt.

If it was like Joe Dante. He loves Looney Tunes. You can see that in his movies. I mean, who's not influenced by Looney Tunes in their daily life? I think so.

This one was just so blatant. I was just like, wow, this is kind of like a live action cartoon. Yeah, I try to keep it from being blatant. Yeah, I try to like. let the looney tunes subtly seep out oh it comes out but yeah it actually does much of your life no really like i had this completely insane roommate once a couple months ago sorry to say once only one i mean only once but uh uh we would like have these circular i don't i'm not like an arguer like i put i'm pretty laid back we'd argue constantly we'd have these circular arguments and he was like so good at like manipulate like at manipulating and like i guess i just got tired and gave up but it would be like. Am not r2 r2 am not wait which one was that it was.

Like that it was like that all the time i was like this is some fucking looney tunes stockholm syndrome get out of my house yeah yeah i mean like i don't know like uh he recently had a falling out with uh this other girl that i'm friends with because you know i met her through him And, you know, we were talking about it, and she's like, you know, he paints this really sad story about his life, and you feel so sorry for him because he's like, oh, my girlfriend cheated on me. I don't have a place to live. And, you know, and you just, like, it starts with pity, and then it becomes, like, disgust, and then moves on to fear because he's, like, completely unstable. You know, like, she's, like, maybe in the process of getting a restraining order against him because he was, like, threatening her.

I'm glad he never did that with me because I would probably just have him killed. Don't get that hammer guy. No, he's dead. He needs ghosts to visit him. But anyway, that.

Was like a Looney Tunes kind of thing. There's not anybody that I don't like. I don't have any enemies, really. I've had people like boyfriends and... friends and people I know say or do really mean things that I just like forgive them. But this guy, like if I see him, I'll be nice to him.

But like my immediate goal is to get far, far, far the fuck away from this guy. Like there's just really what you want to do. You mentioned forgiveness because I was watching this movie and I was just thinking about how there's this unspoken theme of forgiveness in so many Christmas movies and stories. And they've, they've done things like on SNL, Like they did the It's a Wonderful Life lost footage. I really like that one, by the way.

And beat the guy in the wheelchair who stole the money. It's like, okay, everybody's got money and it's all good, but let's go kick his ass. And then they also did one with a Christmas carol. And I think it was, was it Glenn Close who played, was it Bob Cratchit? wallace but they're having dinner christmas dinner it's like oh he mistreats you for years and oh now he buys you a goose so it's all good yeah i guess so yeah that's fine okay all right we're gonna have christmas no i can't let it go i can't and i always felt that way about like uh rudolph too it's like oh and now they all love him well fuck them. Oh you need me to help you now.

Santa doesn't even have like like any like sensitivity training or anything for them it's just like oh it's all good now he has a what if he didn't have a magic. Fucking nose that's cause Santa was a dick to him too yeah but there in a lot of Christmas stories there's this unspoken thing and I remember somebody I didn't like the movie. Magnolia I didn't really enjoy it at all But somebody was explaining it to me, and he said, it's all these linked stories about forgiveness, and these characters all had this thing. And I thought, wow, that's really insightful. But I didn't feel it, and I don't like it.

I don't want to be extremely cynical, but what do you do when you want someone's forgiveness, typically? What has our society taught us to do for people when you want to apologize? You buy them something. Maybe it's tied to that in some sad way. It could be.

I understood the thing for me in the movie The Last Picture Show. It seemed like everybody forgave each other because there just wasn't anybody else around. Because what are you going to do? Okay, you hate your best friend now, but you don't have a spare best friend. You don't have another.

I think a lot of people's lives are like that. A little while passes and then Cloris Leachman has to go, God, you're such a All right, you know. And it's funny, because of the celebrity look-alike thing, the kid from the last picture show wound up being a George Bush impersonator. Isn't that weird? What?

That's where his career went. The kid from the last picture show, you know, Jeff Bridges and that kid, whoever he was, and his actual brother played the retarded kid who always swept the street in that little town. But he wound up being a George Bush impersonator. Texas. Probably for the company.

Listed in the credits. It's so crazy how small the world is. If you think about it. And that's why you have to forgive people. There's nobody else around.

And God bless us, God damn it. Unless they steal your nook and then you never have to forgive them again. That's a whole little side story there. We'll leave that alone. Is that, you mean like your little spot where you sit?

No, I mean like my electronic nook book. Oh, okay. Those people. Yeah. Those people.

Different set of people. Yeah. Like, because if you go, you get in your little spot and somebody else is there, you're like, you can let that go. Yeah, I would let that go. Yeah.

That happens a lot in college. Yeah, your little spot. And you go there and one day somebody's in your spot. And they're like, this is my spot. Yeah.

You know, yeah, at work there's people who have like their table that they set at every day. And it's like other people sit there at other times and it's also their table. So they're like, oh, you've got our table. They're like, this is our table. And it's just like hilarious.

Oh, that's great. It's just so funny to watch it play out. You see them coming in the door, and you're like, oh, yeah. Usually I'm like, someone got your table, but it's also their table, so I don't know what to do. You're just going to have to sit somewhere.

Else and deal. With it. And a bar is really fun. We should all whisper now. that thing on on podcasts when people get to a really intense part of the story whispering. We're really loud speaking as someone who edits it really loud or we sound far away from the microphones i can't find an in-between.

I wonder how that would happen. I can't imagine a bunch of trouble man anyway This movie also hits in a weird point where I kind of, I mean, I knew it. I have his album from this time period. This was the point when Danny Elfman scored everything. Everything.

That's what we said when the movie started. We're like, is that Danny Elfman? But I kind of forgot that. But I remember, like, I got that first Dark End. theater album that he did and i was like i forgot he did like every movie like he's known for all the tim burton stuff but like at that same time he was doing all this other stuff and like some of it is very similar to his daniel and then he'll do one's that are totally different like and he doesn't really do that stuff much anymore not that he gets any notice for but like you can look at this period of time and like he's doing stuff that sounds totally different and he does the score for midnight run did you realize that i know you like midnight run yeah i do the score is done by danny elfman it's kind of jazzy and it doesn't fit him at all like it's very weird But then I forgot he was also, like, this is the point where he started picking up all this TV work.

Like, he does the theme song for The Simpsons. Now we just know it as The Simpsons, but, like, there was a point when he was just some new composer guy, and they're handing him TV shows, and. I can't even remember what the song for The Simpsons is, and I mean, like. The Simpsons. I mean, it's like, I know it's in my brain, like.

I mean, I grew up watching The Simpsons. It's been on for 30 fucking years. Sing the theme for that girl. Anybody? I can, but.

Anybody know the theme for that girl? She can turn the world on. No, that's the other girl. Oh, that's the other one? That's Mary Tyler Moore.

Oh, goddammit. Whatever. They both had flippy hair. You can't do it, and I think the reason why is when you try to access it, you get blocked by Batman. That girl.

You just can't think of it. If you don't throw your hat up in the air, this doesn't come to a close. It's completely unmemorable. Nobody can think of that tune. The other day I heard a tune and I thought, what the fuck is that?

What is it? And it turned out it was the Waltons theme. Speaking of Thanksgiving, Segway. There's a famous blooper from Audrey E. Bowes that my mother made me look up where the little old granny lady on the Waltons is bringing this big tureen of soup or something to the table.

And she's saying, be thankful you have something to eat because there are people out there who don't have anything. And then she trips and spills soup. Yeah, it's a famous blooper. So in the show she didn't spill it, but in real life she did. I think they did it over.

I think they probably did it over. There's a call for other takes. That might be one. I mean, my aunt was really into the Waltons, but it just made me hungry, so I never really liked to watch it. Westerns?

And pioneer type people. Yeah. Western movies and Little House on the Prairie and Walton. They made me really hungry. I don't know why.

It's strange. I don't understand. Gilligan's Island always made me hungry. It's just for coconut pie. Yeah.

Coconut cream pies. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sounded really good. Coconut cream pie would hit the spot.

Where do you get those? You need a Marianne. Yeah. I'm still working on that. Yeah oh man.

I don't know but i still feel like that that score kind of works like in its own weird way like it's just different enough from his tim burton stuff but it's so identifiable like i don't know he just needs to and i think he has a little bit but his human voice synthesizing thing like it just got beat to death in this period so it's kind of hard for him i mean it is his signature thing now but It would be great for him to not work with that anymore. I've never heard the band he was in. Is that any good? The Oingo Boingo. Is it any good?

I'm honestly asking. I don't know any of their stuff. You do. You know at least one of their songs. What's that?

You know a song called Weird Science. That song? Okay. Really? That's them?

Oh. That's why I never heard it. Well, it's no Dead Man's Party. Dead Man's Party is awesome. Seriously, I have no idea what they sound like.

But now I do. Thank you. I mean, that's not really representative. I don't think that's what they want to be implemented. Oh, is that an outlier?

That's just their downstream success. Here's something crazy to bring full circle. Danny Elfman's brother is married to Jenna Elfman. And Jenna Elfman was on Dharma and Greg with Bill Murray's brother. Boom.

Oh, yeah, he was on that. No, no, what's the thing when you finish eating? Crushed it. There you go. At what point does Kevin Bacon get involved in this?

Oh, no. That's six degrees of. Joel Murray. Who was the actress that was married to his brother? Because she's familiar.

She's done other stuff. Oh, the lady that was on... Wasn't she married to Tom Cruise. At one point? No.

You're thinking of... What's her name? No. I mean in the movie Screwed. That's what I'm talking about.

She was married to Tom Cruise, wasn't she? No, that was Mimi Rogers. Mimi Rogers is a different person. Do they look alike or something? No.

No, they're not. Which one was on Just Shoot Me? That's Wendy Malick. I don't know what she was on, but I know she. Was on Dream On, which was horrible, by the way.

I don't think I've seen either of those, but. I know her voice. No, don't watch it. It's bad. That's where Showtime original programming started, and if it would have kept on that road, we wouldn't have any good television now.

And there was a blonde on the couch who looked really familiar, too. The one in the boardroom? She was always in the middle. But in the boardroom at the meeting? No, at his brother's.

Oh, that chick. I don't know any of those. But the blonde that was in the boardroom, the older one, is married to Robert Zemeckis. Yeah. Or at least was at that point.

I don't know if they're still together. Because she was in several of his movies and projects and stuff over the years. He actually used her a good amount. She is an actress, but yeah, I think that was the only reason I knew who she was is because she turned up in a lot of Robert Zemeckis stuff and seemed to have something going on with Bill Murray. There was only about two scenes, but both times they acted kind of weird.

I was like, I think that's one of those, like, he just seems to kind of, in his rich moments, he seems like he just kind of gets his women. That seems like that's one of the ones that's on board with him just because he's powerful. It's my theory. Huh. I love the scene where the guy was like, women adored me.

He's like, adored you? You paid for the women. Again, that's delivery that only, like, adored you. Like, his take on that is like, nobody can pull that off. It's a Bill Murray thing.

Crushed it. Crushed it. All right. You crushed it. Well, you know, this is full circle in a weird way.

This month, these Christmassy themed episodes are our anniversary slash birthday. This is how we started the show. Happy birthday. As Frosty the Snowman says. Happy birthday!

Why don't you kids have some freaking pants on? So, I just wanted to acknowledge it's the passing of a year and we're even more awesome than we ever were. And it was a weird tie-in because the very first episode I also went out with the outro of Scrooge. So his interactive audience, it actually must have stuck with me even then because, or well before that, because I did like that finale, but I love that, that closing with the, not only the interacting within the cast as they're all singing along, but him interacting with the audience sitting in the theater is kind of amazing. It's one of those, like again, Bill Murray things that he can even break the fourth wall and you don't really question it.

You're just like, that's Bill Murray. He can do whatever he wants, but yeah, I don't know. I thought that was an interesting tie into this episode. We've, we've come full circle as we enter into, I don't know, the 50th year, however long we've been doing this. We're entering into the 6th year of this show.

Is that dog years or human years? Feels like dog years. What's that pizza you're trying to get? If it were dog years, wouldn't it just be less than a year? I can't do math right now.

We'd just be getting started. Oh, we are. We're just starting. We have so many years. Ahead of us.

I'm just hanging myself off this microphone cord. Kidding. Totally kidding. Maybe. Oh, Lord.

All right. Have you covered what you need to on Scrooged? What were your issues with it you just didn't buy? I don't know. You guys seem like you weren't as thrilled with it as I was.

I like the movie, but like I said, I just don't buy Bill Burry as a main person. It just didn't work. Well, it's just because he's too damn funny. I know, but his acting just seemed terrible. Like, the acting just seemed terrible because he wasn't crushing it.

I think he's, like I said, he's on his way. He's on the road to crushing it. Lost in translation, crushing it. I think i don't think it took him that long to crush. No but i mean that that was when he kind of hit that like mainstream acceptance that people finally went oh i guess he's not just a silly actor like he was doing it along the way and got better and better but that's kind of that turning point and ever since then he can turn up in really serious stuff and nobody really questions it anymore like he he needed to hit that point before everybody went oh no he's a serious actor but i don't know i think he was slowly moving.

Up the problem for me was it had a kind of exuberance about the medium that the thing for me it's like early matisse that's what i would say about it It's like early Matisse because Matisse said, like when he looked back at his early paintings, he said, when I made them, I was excited, but now I'm calm. And I just think the, the spoofiness about like jokes about what's on TV. It's like, there's a kind of exuberance. I just don't have the energy for it anymore. You know, it's just, I have, uh, I.

I mean, I can barely watch movies. So, I mean, it was okay. But it just didn't have whatever dose of heroin I. Need to keep me really engaged. That sounds like you're.

Personally falling through. You need to. Get your popcorn and your heroin. No, I mean, I just didn't, you know, it's a retelling of A Christmas Carol. And, you know, it's very 80s, and I miss that decade, and I'm never going to get it back.

I mean, you know, the pop culture. It lives on in video. I have no idea what went. On during that decade. You need to get you one of them Pioneer.

VCRs and start watching. My daughter calls us out because she'll say, you know, she can recognize in fashion that something is so 80s, and we have no idea. You know, we'll just look at it. I don't know what leg warmers serve. I couldn't tell you what 90s fashion looked like.

Yeah. It kind of has a thing. I was just like too there. You're blind to it because you've seen it so much. You were immersed in it.

My unfinished paintings, I like to hang up around me so I don't have to look at them anymore. They're just right there, so it doesn't feel like a gaping wound that needs to be dressed. Yeah, that's it. It's like the 80s... It's kind of an 80s movie.

It's kind of spoofy comedy, which I don't do a lot. And it has a kind of exuberance that I'm just not excited about anymore. I don't feel like it's as spoofy. I mean, outside of the TV stuff. I.

Think that's what, I mean, it's ridiculous in its own way, but I think it, I don't know, it sort of creates that little. Somewhere in that movie, a guy was tied up in a chair, and a guy said on the phone, he can't come to the phone now, he's tied up. That seems pretty straightforward. I'm just going to rest my case, man. I think the only thing that, I was noticing this time is how much I, like again, everybody always complains about remakes.

I'm like, but nobody minds that they do a Christmas Carol 400 times. I mean, they were making fun of that because that's what they were doing. On the show. It wasn't a straight remake. Every other year they do another version of a Christmas Carol.

That's what I liked about this is I think it does it differently. It finds a way to tell that same story and hit the same beats that you have to to make it a retelling of it. But it doesn't do it in the most boring way possible, which is what most of them do. One thing about the movie that I think disappointed me was the movie within the movie, the Christmas Carol version that they were doing on TV, which was supposed to be the most exciting thing ever to watch. The only thing, they had the Solid Gold Dancers, they had Mary Lou Retton as Tiny Tim, but other than that, it was bog standard Christmas Carol.

Pretty much. They didn't, They should have done more crazy things, you know, but they didn't. They kept it very traditional, and I wish it would have been more. Like his InVision. Yeah, his version of it was pretty ridiculous.

Michael Bay does Scarlet. They couldn't get, like, an Evel Knievel impersonator to just jump over the thing on a motorcycle. It was coming to that. Yeah. That was cut out in the editing process.

But again, full circle, that's kind of what they're doing this year. I mean, you have seen the ads for their live redone version of Sound of Music, right? With a popular pop star. I mean, we're making fun of stuff, but I'm like, it's on TV this Christmas season. Are you going to watch it?

Probably. It looks pretty great. I can't wait to watch Flowers in the Attic. Are they making that to a film? No, it's a Lifetime movie that they're going to make.

Of course! Yes! But it actually looks really good, though. I'm totally going to watch it. No, no.

They made that into a movie. It was in the movies. Yeah, it's been. It's got Christy Swanson. I missed that.

But they're doing a really high quality one for television. I want to say it's Lifetime, but I might be wrong. Because it looks really good. It doesn't look like a Lifetime special. But it should be on Lifetime.

It's perfect. I know. Lifetime quality. My wife's telephone ringtone Always makes me feel like, and now back to our Lifetime movie. And so it punctuates my life.

And I feel like I should be a mean husband or something. Just to play out the fantasy. You feel like you're not coming through for her. I mean, she's setting her life up to be a cool Lifetime movie. Be more verbally abusive, Fred.

Give her what she wants. Yeah, and your kids are all well-adjusted and normal. What are you doing wrong? That's a genetic anomaly. What is wrong with this family?

Maybe that's what's wrong with this family. You're just too damn right. This episode's so powerful it could tear a family apart. I think so. Well, we're all bundling up to head back out into the cold of the winter holiday season.

So I think we should wrap this up. We've been here for about six hours, I think. That's how it usually goes because they don't shut up. Brian. It's hard to get us to focus.

Brian, happy birthday and well done. Happy birthday. Seven years, yeah. 77 years or whatever. You do good.

You make the movies live for me. You make me watch them. And you'll enjoy every damn minute of it. He beats me if I don't watch it. Shut up.

Otherwise, I know that does it. We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Happy Life Day or holiday of your choice.

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This is a really great little movie. And it was Jane Wagner's. So does this tie into E.T. Porn in any way? Yes, exactly.

Yeah, that's exactly where it's going. Did you wipe it down when you got it, at least? No. In fact, added to it a little bit. I wanted it marinated.

That's the best way to go about it. When I got it, and then again today, because some of the rugs I get are just kind of full of dust. But it's ancient dust. It's the dust of Nebuchadnezzar. There you go.

There you go. I knew exactly where that was. Finally, I get a chance to work in that Christmas reference. You're a complete mess. I kind of like just making stuff up.

I watched the director's cut. You're about to get the Yoko cut on it. There's going to be an inflatable guy in it and a duck penis. I think we've seen enough of it. I know.

It's a scary road. I only watch movies with inflatable men and duck penises. It's a short list. Do it for Lumpy. Lumpy, damn it.

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