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I'm Brian, and joining me once again from the magic of the internet is. Sam. I am. Yeah, well, You are sort of like a children's book. There we go.

A weird, crazy children's book. Oh, dude. Otherwise. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Keep going. What's your sidetrack story? Oh, dude. Green eggs and ham, man. I have had so many arguments about green eggs and ham lately.

I can't even get started, dude. I like that it's lately. No, lately. Lately. This is not something I had in first or second grade.

Dude. It has been a journey lately, Brian. And I can let you finish your intro, but I do have a Green Eggs and Ham story. I mean, we have no real intro when you're on. Oh, okay.

At least let's get my name out in yours. And after that, it's a free-for-all. You know how these episodes go. Absolutely. So, ladies and gentlemen, Green Eggs and Ham.

Okay, Green Eggs and Ham. Here we go. So. Green Eggs and Ham. I recently got into a big argument with somebody about Green Eggs and Ham because I've always loved the story Green Eggs and Ham.

When I read it to the kids, I would get a little choked up at the end when the old man says, Thank you. Thank you, Sam I Am. I always just thought that was just this great moment, you know, of like, Look, I can't get stuck in familiar patterns. I need to learn to expand my horizon, okay? You're really connecting with the story now.

I think I'm reading into this as you also do. Brian, who knows the backstory here and everything. I know your life. Right, right, right. The ways you have come to us.

That's right, that's right. So yeah, everything's become a metaphor. All right. But, uh, so I've always enjoyed that part of the story and everything. And then, um, and then I was reading it recently or I was discussing it with, uh, uh, my niece who is, uh, 25 and she started, she's.

Really into literature at this point. Sure. Right. Right. So we were just talking about how a persistent, uh, suggestion, uh, can wear a person down and how you just hear something over and over and over and how basically cults and mind control work and and how you take uh something that somebody doesn't like oh brian you're going to read somebody into so much into this you take something you take something that somebody doesn't like or want or in need in their life all right and then you just keep punching away at it.

How about with a fox? How about in a box? I'm like, still no. How about here? How about there?

And then the story starts becoming about the system or a influence or a force or a religion or anything. The system in place of Methodically decontextualizing somebody's feelings until they're so worn out that in the end of Green Eggs and Ham, it's they. They give in to the system. They've worn him down. They've just beat him.

Through the entire book to the point he's just like, you know what? I don't even care anymore. I don't care anymore. I don't know what the hell we were even going on about when we started this nonsense. That's right.

And at this point, I just want it to end. Exactly. I might not even be talking about this. argument here. I just wanted to end. What do I do to make this stop?

Exactly. To make Sam stop. All right? Shut up, Sam. Is this Uncle Sam?

I don't know. But. But Sam... Sam wears this guy down. And where I used to read the story as.

As a thank you. Thank you, Sam I am. Now when I read the story, I see his dead, lifeless eyes slowly picking up the fork, cutting into it, taking a piece, eating it. Then he goes like, I like them. I like them, Sam.

I like them, Sam I am. Thank you. Thank you, Sam I am. Broken. beaten yeah yeah forever broken this is the end for me i finally tried it and it's i'm done. It's just like the ending of the book or the movie uh uh 1984 uh you know i always reference books that i never read but this one i've read but the the great thing at the end of 1984 he is part of the system And he sold out his love and everything to become part of the system.

And that's just what green eggs and ham is, man. the methodical and my niece was like yeah it's also about consent it's kind of like a guy trying to go after a gal and he goes like no I think you're my friend and he goes like well what if I was rich or what if I was cool or what about this or what if like your sister was in town or. Whatever you know laughing you sure you don't want to go out with me you sure you don't want to go out with me yeah right and eventually this girl's like oh my god if you will just stop and then they end up getting. Married and like for the rest of her life she's just like oh he just he wore me down before they're like yeah i didn't really even like him but like he just he was just there and it just wore down eventually and Then it was just, I don't know, I guess, what do we get married now?

People give me this as their life. And I'm like, wow, my life's sad, but shit, that's terrible. Dude, for real. I don't know that one's better than the other, but that's pretty sad, man. Just saying.

Yeah, right. Trapped in a prison of politeness. You know, it was like, well, I didn't want to be rude, so I married him. Um again especially the cards are back you go in generations yeah. Well then oh tim asked me to marry him i'll guess i'll pick out a wedding dress do you like tim what does that have to do with anything i've been sure i mean i'm.

Special i don't have any better options so i guess i don't want to Be that old man of 23 and I better just marry this dude because he's, you know, here. Yeah. Yeah. That caused a big argument. Magical.

Yeah. Yeah. I told that story recently and it. cause ripples of like, what's wrong with you? Why do you take everything good and wonderful and destroy it? You're like, that's what I do.

That's what I do. Well, again, if we want to kick it off with literature, which does not happen much on this show. Ah, yes. Welcome to LiteratureCast. Well, again, if we're taking kids' books...

And then being like, no, there's kind of a real listen here, pay attention. Because I used to, I used to I'll say well I'll know this person I won't name them by name but they're not listening they don't care but anyway she's a mom and she had multiple children And, you know, they weren't quite often. I'm like, this wasn't a gunpoint. I mean, you had these children. You're responsible for the things that led to these children.

So to some extent, I don't want to hear your complaints too much. Right. But still would quite often be like massively overwhelmed as most parents. And she was a single parent. So like massively overwhelmed.

Right, right. But sometimes she would go a little far in the complaining. And like at one point I'm listening to and I'm like, read the giving tree. Oh dude dude you know what i'm talking about and i'm like look. Like don't be wrong i'm not i'm not like pitching for for shell because i think that dude's pretty weird like what little i know of his other work i'm like i'm not saying he's not talented but he's a weird dude but the one that kind of like throws out all the weirdness and like just tells a really simple story And then like, it's one of those things that as you grow up and you about their story, you're like, Oh shit.

Like it is like, it is the most horribly accurate thing ever. It's just like, here, here is your job here. And now I'm references. So I'm like, this is one of those things that like carries over into your life. And I'm like, yeah, this is it.

Like you've had a child. For the rest of your life. Not while they're a dumb little kid. Not when they turn 18. The rest of your damn life.

Your job. Is to take care of whatever they need. Yeah. There's times when they can go too far. And ask too much.

But for the most part. Your job is to be like. Alright what do you need. And that's. For the rest of your life.

Until you are once again. Beaten. And there's. And that's it. They'll still come back and be like well.

There's my situation. Like I was like. God this is so horribly frighteningly accurate. Of life. No it's.

Brian I was going to. I was hoping you were going to say giving tree. Because. Because. Because you have way more invested in it than I do.

I just saw the truth and try to preach it to other people. No, I've got a little bit of a different read on that story. OK, because because kids, I would say you you it doesn't feel like a sacrifice. I mean, it's like a sacrifice, but it doesn't. For me, it's like, what else do I got to do?

But even in the book, the tree doesn't really complain. It's just like, all right, here, take care of this. But as time goes on, I, being the bastard that I am, sound like more and more of like, wow. It's like, Jesus. This is insane.

Okay. All right. Giving tree. All right. Yeah.

I, in a nutshell, see... the giving tree on, on level one as a really fucked up story. Cause on the first, on the first, on the first level, on the highest level, it's supposed to be, I guess on the surface about unconditional love. It is true love for this kid and it never goes away. Right. Um, okay.

So that's on the surface. Now you peel back a layer of the giving tree and, uh, you could say that it's also about love without boundaries, about not having a, a line that you won't cross when you love somebody. All right. This kind of, uh, selfless love that, uh, they talk about in, um, that they talk about in, uh, uh, Disney movies and, you know, romantic, perfect, Love, you know, conquers all love, you know. But the love, and so that's love without boundaries.

And what happens is that tree loves that kid so complete, but unhealthily, unhealthily. We'll just say this is a very codependent relationship between the tree and this kid. This kid, like, brings... Brian, this is going to be the funniest episode for you in the world. All right?

You know the stories. So, this tree, this kid brings other people to make out in front of the tree. I mean... This kid abuses this tree psychologically and physically carving into it. Oh, yeah.

And then ripping it apart piece by piece by piece, taking, taking, taking. And this tree never says enough. This tree just says, keep taking, keep taking. I've got nothing left, but keep taking. And the kid doesn't say, thank you.

The kid is a vampire that just sucks this tree down to a stump. And then when the tree's got nothing left, he comes back and goes like, guess what? I've wasted my life. And I'm, I've, all I've done is taken my entire life. All right.

And absorbed and eaten my entire life. And now I can't do anything. But I'm now alone. And all I have is this person that I've decimated. And I'm still going to use you.

The only thing you are good for now. I'm still going to use you for that. Because I am old and tired. There's only one thing left I can do. And you're good for that.

And so now that it's all over and you're almost dead, I'm almost dead. I'm just going to put my butt on you. That's the last insult I can do to you. And so I'm like, on that level, the story is a horror story, but it's a warning. It's a warning about how you can love somebody and they take advantage of that.

Most definitely and see that's the thing i always use it as that example for parents who are just like oh my god why did i have these kids and i'm like what guess what it's not going anywhere it's not i won't use it for that i think it is like it is an amazing piece of literature because i the person that nobody wants to have children with so thank god i don't have any but I'm also coming at it from the other end and like the way that I've always had to connect with it. Right. I'm that damn kid. And I spent my entire life and I don't have my shit together and things will fall apart. Who am I with?

Who am I like shit? I have to go bother you again. I'm just like, hey, I'm that kid. And yet I'm this far into my stupid life. I'm an old man now and I'm still not done with it.

I'm still pestering other people because, oh, well, can't get this shit together either. Hey, can I get some branches from you, man? Yeah, that's I'm that damn kid. And I'm just like, I hate that. And yet, that's how surprisingly, creepily accurate this book is.

That it works on all of those levels. All of those different avenues and views and ways that you can take it to heart. It works. Like, damn you, Shell. You're a creepy dude.

And you're with this master base. Yeah, yeah. You look at his picture on the back of those books, he looks like. He's a creep! Yeah, yeah.

And, okay. And so. So, so yeah, right. Yeah. You, you see it from that point of view, but you're not that kid and everything.

I mean, you know, that kid, but that kid, I'm not the kid all the time, hopefully, but there's many a time when I've been that dang kid. Well, I know from a parent's point of view, if my kid doesn't matter their age, you know, from the tree point of view, Uh, the kid gets the kid. If the kid needs help, the kid needs help and everything doesn't matter if they're 48, doesn't matter if there's 62 and I'm, you know, a hundred. It is. Like I said, it's part of being a parent.

It's never going to go away for the rest of your life. You're not only responsible for this kid, but they're going to show up. They're going to need something eventually. And you got to help them. Like that's how it works.

Yep. Now I'm going to say one more layer of giving tree. Okay. I've just got to. All right.

I've heard hypothetically. All right. I got to be careful about saying this. All right. We've got Shel Silverstein as a national treasure.

Sure. You know, you're not the first person who, when I say that goes like, what the hell? Anyway. All right. National treasure.

Shel Silverstein. Um, So I'm just going to say there are, I'm just going to say in a total fictional world, once upon a time, there was a children's author, not Shel Silverstein. This is a made up person. And this made up children's author was a nudist who hung around his house with no clothes on and would always be in the hot tub. with no clothes on. And so this fictional made up never, uh, never existed in reality.

Children's author may have had made improper advances to people, not under 10, but not 18. I mean, that happens a lot more than should. So, if that fake made-up author wrote a book called The Giving Bush, The Giving Stick, The Giving Stick, that story could be about a person preying on innocent love. Oh, wow. Innocent, naive love.

As I've said, he's a weird dude. He's a weird dude. I always thought so much of what was going on in those other books. I mean, again, to me, The Giving Tree was the outlier of like, well, this one's not weird. It's just sad and depressing and horribly wrong in many ways, but like not in the creepy way that so many other ones are.

But that is one of those things that even as a kid, what is the one with the kid in the bakery, the night bakery or whatever that one is? I was trying to find it, but I don't know. Like, That one, I mean, the illustrations in the book, like, the kid, like, falls out of his clothes at one point. You know how that happens. Right, right, right.

So I'm like, in the world we're in now, I'm like, I can't believe they haven't already attacked him for that kind of shit anyway. So, plus all the weird shit in Where the Sidewalks. Well, dude. All kinds of weird stuff going on in that book. Well, see, it's made me, like, go like, hmm, do I want to keep my editions of those books, you know, I mean, cause I've really always loved them and, uh, always loved those books, those books of poetry and everything.

And, you know, I, I kind of like rediscovered them later and I, I, I, uh, really enjoyed how counter-cultural they were, you know, and just like of the time, you know, uh, it's like, why don't you take a bath, man? And he goes like, because of the wars that people fighting and the killing that's going on. It's just a weirdo hippie, man. Yeah. It's just a weirdo hippie.

And I was going like, man, you don't hear weirdo hippie stuff anymore. And, uh, and, and kids books, you know, I mean, it was just like part of it, you know? And so, and so I like that aspect of it, but yeah. And I love the illustrations, you know, but, um, uh, yeah. Another, you know, questionable, dubious person who, uh, you know, uh, you know, if you look at them, you'd go like, stick, keep away from my children.

I mean, weird. It looks like a deranged ice cream man, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I don't trust it.

I don't trust them at all. No, absolutely not. This is, uh, I mean, many a time back in the day, we'd, we'd enter into the episode with some like unconventional geek activities. So yeah. Yeah.

That's one of those of like, hey, you've heard of books before, right? Right, right, right, right, right. You know, these are some of you, you might want to check out if you're like, you know, a small child. Right, right, right. But just don't listen to the horror show.

We just prescribed with either of those. So yeah, it's fine. No, two to keep off the, keep away from your kids. Don't read your kids a gilving tree. It gives them a completely warped, deranged view of love, you know?

Um yes yeah exactly yeah books yeah. Yeah i keep saying i'm going to start reading books uh more now that i've got readers and everything but that has not happened. Oh i know better i don't know how to read i just know of these stories you know. Yeah yeah yeah i miss walking around with uh trashy horror paperbacks you know uh i used to always it used it was the equivalent of scrolling your phone and everything you just You'd be somewhere, you'd break out your paperback, you'd read a couple of chapters of Misery, and then, oh, hey, something's going on. You know, you'd put your book away.

You know, them days. Just to clarify, I did find it, and it's not Shell. So I still think he's a weirdo, but that one I'm describing is the Maurice dude. Maurice Sendak. Oh, Maurice Sendak.

Dude, great. there's a great documentary I saw on. Oh my gosh, dude. Oldest thing I've ever said in my life. There was a great documentary on that author on PBS Frontline. Yeah, yeah.

I think they just issued you your first issue of AARP. It showed up on your porch right now. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. But no, just to clarify, I don't want to send out wrong information, but I loved Where the Wild Things Are as a kid. And if you want to cross over, that movie's awesome.

It's not a bad movie, man. But he also wrote some weird stuff, too. It's hard to be a children's author, man. People are going to People are going to come down on you even more than if you're a regular weirdo author. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Keep away from people's children is what the... It's for the best, really. Keep the artists away from children. All right? That's basically the message here.

Just give me an art. I like art. Yeah. Just do it over there. Yeah, just do it over there.

Just do it over there. Just one of those solo weird artists that hangs out in their loft somewhere. It's fine. Right, right, right. Just don't babysit the kids, you know?

Don't invite an artist to babysit your kids. Just play it safe. No! In the movies i mentioned the where the wild eggs are movie so there you go have you seen any movies lately. Wow all right right.

Right how that transition worked that was fantastic before we. Just you know we just yeah throw all artists under the bus. I like artists i'm a artist. I love them too I'm going. To do some weird stuff that comes with it.

I defend it all the time, actually. I'm just like, there's a lot of stuff that I think I will look at and be like, that pretentious bullshit. But I will be the first one to be like, but you keep making it. Because if you can't make that, that means this thing over here that I love and I think is awesome that some other weirdo thinks is crap, I don't get. So it's like, no.

It's like, you can't divide... outside of legal firms like the basics of art like you can't make those calls like you have to be like everybody makes whatever art they want to make and right that's how we get cool stuff so. That's how we get cool stuff i definitely. Will defend everybody make whatever art you want just just the legal basics you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so just. A little human common decency yeah yeah you. Know if you've gone into bucket of blood territory you've gone too far It's very true.

People to make your sculptures. You've gone too far. That's right. Don't get me wrong. I love that movie.

That is one that came to me lately. We can talk about that real quick. I did watch Bucket of Blood probably about a month ago and first time seeing it. And, you know, kind of cool. You know, Roger Corman just passing and everything.

And I thought he was a vampire. And I was just like, Corman's never going, man. He's just going to going. Go and go. He's got more ridiculous movies to produce.

Right, right. And when he talks, he's as sharp as ever. He really was. I listened to an interview that they did just a couple of years before. He hadn't done much before that, but he was still with it and was like recalling memories from the fifties.

Like they just happened. And I was like, geez, unless that's crazy. Unless that's just what he did the last, you know, three years of his life is just talk about his days running new world pictures. And, and, you know, they would just walk in, record a little bit and then walk out. All right.

We got something for the death race, 2000 25th anniversary DVD. All right. Is he still talking? Yeah, he's still going, man. Just, just, uh, As long as it's not 2050.

That was rough, man. We barely made it through that episode. We signed on to do that episode. and even i who loves that original movie so much yeah i was like wow this is. Wow this is like i think this is right watch a lot of bad movies Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the thing is, the 1970s and 80s and 60s Roger Corman movies, you know, they have a level because he was hiring people who were hungry.

And so they really did like go in and and they there's a level of craftsmanship, even to the bad ones from that time period that you go like, oh, this still looks like a movie. Right. He's just like, all right, we got this set for two more days. It's making a movie. Yes, it's feeding off of the industry like a vampire, but at the same time, it's like, look at that artistic drama.

We got this set for two more days. Look at this movie of it. Shoot the hell out of it. That's amazing. Yeah, but the movies weren't bad.

I mean, they weren't the best movies ever, but some of them really stick out. He batted as well as any major of which ones would be remembered and not. And I've always said, I respected him as a director. I think if you go back and look at the stuff he actually directed, it's pretty solid. I think they were better.

He put a little more love into them when it was one that he was directing. Definitely, as time went on, towards the 2000s era, he was just a businessman. He was showing up. He was setting up deals. There's no artistic integrity involved in those.

He's just making a buck at that point. The early ones that he was still kind of helping to write and definitely guiding the story and direction wise. Like some of those visuals are amazing. So like he put a lot of work in when it was the early days and he was really invested in them. So yeah, I was kind of standing by him as a director, really as a producer, he just made money and he was good at it.

So, Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, he was good. And, I mean, his movies suffered as he realized how cheaply you could put out content like everybody has, you know. That's kind of how we live today. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, Death Race 2050 or whatever it was, it was like, hey, or Death Race 3000 or whatever they called it. And you're just going like, well, yeah, you know, this is an IP that he can make a cool box cover on. and it really doesn't even matter the movie, you know? Yeah. And, uh, good thing. Cause it was pretty bad.

Well, the problem was there was no race. I think they just were driving go-karts around a parking lot. It seemed like that was a problem. Yeah. I mean, in the end had, I mean the, and the Frankenstein mask was terrible.

And, uh, I actually prefer the, the Paul WSA Anderson, uh, uh, prison. I mean, those were rough, but like that first one was at least still a movie. It was still, they kept, as they kept knocking off, like the ones that even he didn't want anything to do with when they were handing it off to other random dudes that just like walk by in the street. Hey, you want to make a death race sequel? Yeah.

Like they were just handing them out. But yeah, then there were like three or four of those. And then Roger Corman came out, you know, it was like, Oh, I'm going to make my own sequel again. And like, that was his, that he was still attached to his producer or executive producer or something. And yeah, it was rough.

So yeah. Yeah. I don't think he was real concerned about what was in these. Oh no. He was going like, I need to pay off this pool or something like that.

I got alimony payments or something. I don't know what it was, but, uh, but you know that wife. A long time she was pretty sharp too she that last interview she was remembering stuff even more than he was like she was really with it so they were they were still a power couple that far into into the run man. Yeah no they uh no cool guy he you know he never made any bones that he was you know in in it for anything but the money and was known for You know, he just thought movies had to be good up to a certain point, and then he realized they didn't have to be good. They could just be like, you know, it's a recognizable IP with a flashy new cover.

I mean, that's all. He goes like, that will sell a million copies. It doesn't matter what is contained on the disc or on the file or on the whatever, you know? Yeah. You know.

Well, before we get too far away from your take on the... bucket of blood and we can, we can get more of your take on it. But I just want to say like, as much as, I mean, we finally get Dick Miller in a lead role. So that's awesome. Yeah. But on top of that, like, even if I take that and put it aside, cause I love Dick Miller.

Um, the fact that it's so like, it was one of those first ones and you know, Roger being on the cutting edge of, you know, what was going on, what was hip. to take on the beat generation yes and like if there's one thing that as time's gone on that i'll just love is seeing because again do i really want to go back in time and hang out with the beats probably not because they're all on fucking heroin right right right probably it insufferable junkies yeah to see the beat generation filtered through pop culture and usually the most mainstream pop culture is so funny to me i just love seeing that over the. Years yeah yeah yeah it's basically showing the beat culture at its dying breaths you know when it's become codified and uh formulaic and like you know kind of you know where it's just become like a starting to become a parody of what it started, what it was meant to be, you know?

Most definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And it's losing ground to the hippies. That's the thing.

I'm like, I always go like, eh, anytime, like even now there are kids that are pretty much just the same as those hippies. And I'm always like, eh, nope, not for me. Like hippies were just never cool. Like I get your peace and love part of it. That's cool.

That's nice. Right. But I'm like, you guys just, you need to take a bath, and that's too much patchouli, and for God's sake, those clothes. But, like, the beats were just freaking cool. Like, everything else about them, other than their rampant drug use, I'm just like, they liked, you know, they dressed in black, and they looked cool, and they hung out at coffee shops before it was fucking cool to hang out at coffee shops.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. Again, I'm an art geek. Like, poetry is cool. There's some pretty bad beat poetry out there, but... Again, you gotta let the good stuff come with the bad.

Absolutely. I legitimately thought, outside of all the drug use, that, like... the beat kids that i've seen what little i've bothered again i don't know how to read so it's not like i'm going back reading those books but when i see them on impressive things like the beverly hillbillies i'm like this is what i'm talking about. Man these people seem cool right right. I mean don't be jealous who had his finger on the pulse of what was going on with the youth culture. Right right right they seem chill and disconnected but not like hippies yeah because they had like a They were valuing art and literature and ideas and stuff.

Well, that's what the stereotype was. Again, the ideals of it, not just smoking weed and having sex, which is all that hippies wanted, really. They talk about peace and love, but mostly it's just the love of, hey, get in the back of my van over here and let's do it. Let's have a love child. Right, right.

But there's so much more to the Beat Kids, because they really. Again, they were pretentious assholes, I'm sure. But there was something bigger there that they were kind of striving for that I always appreciated. Well, a life of the mind and everything is what you what I the image I get from it or like expression and everything. I mean, throwing aside the usual, you know, they didn't want to be the cookie cutter 50s family.

You know, they didn't want to be Ozzie and Harriet. they were a bunch of weird kids. And they, again, they were like the goths before it was a thing. I don't want to do your dumb regular thing. I'm in the dark shit, man. You guys just don't understand me.

It was like the, it was the goth kids before they were goth kids. Sure. Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely.

But it started, you know, with like, uh, people coming out of the war with like trauma and, uh, and shell shocked and drug problems. And, uh, or like, you know, uh, you know, unfulfilled expectations and kind of a disillusionment. No wonder I'm drawn to these kids. Exactly. Right.

And, and so that was kind of like, and they, before, you know, Kerouac and Burroughs aren't dressed the same and like, uh, uh, sweaters and, uh, a beret, but like the hippies, you know, it became kind of, uh, you know, like punk or something. It became like codified and everything. So it's, it represented some cool stuff and everything, but you know, The people that were, you know, called the fathers, they didn't look like that. They just looked like, you know, just washed out people. I mean, Burroughs, for God's sake.

For God's sake. He looked like a square. Yeah, totally. It's so funny that he became like so much in that world. But I'm like, when you look at him, you're like, whoa, that's not what I expected.

He looks like my accountant. You know, he just looks like a. and your grandpa and your grandpa he was so much older than you expected it to be even when it started like he was older than the rest of those guys that were the up-and-coming kids so yeah he's already on the edge of that and just was always looked so square. Yeah yeah yeah but just wrote things that make you like throw up on yourself i write things that make people want to throw up and to have sex with the throw up. Thanks. Thanks, buddy.

That's why my parents never understood me. But anyway, again, I think it's a really cool like that, that movie. I mean, you can't ignore it. It's most of what goes on in Bucket of Blood. It's like this weird little beat culture.

So I really like that we got a movie that's set in that, not as a throwback, like we could do that now, but like it was coming off of, you know, pretty, again, that was pretty early for at least being represented in pop culture. That was a pretty early version. And it's probably not as cheesy as the ones by the time you get to the TV shows. It's still a little weird and edgy. As much as you're going to get from, you know, a silly horror movie.

Yeah, no, it's a great setting to put a horror movie in, you know? And, you know, I mean, it's, you know, laughably a horror movie. But, I mean, it's really just kind of such a parody of, like, people's, the importance of being important, you know, and everything. So it's actually a really good story. I believe the writer of that, and I'm just accessing my autism brain here, is, I think it's Charles Beaumont.

And I just saw another one of his movies have shown up on the free service called Brain Dead. And that was produced posthumanously for him. But it was made in the 90s. It's got Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton and Bud Cort. Do you remember that one?

It's got the weird. That's what I was trying to look. I just, yeah, I remember the cover now. I just brought it up and I'm like, okay, I remember the cover. I don't think I've seen it.

Roger Corman produced and it's like a good nineties Roger Corman because yeah, the script had been laying around for 30 years, you know, so it's really good. And, um, but, uh, but yeah, it's, it's got, it's like one of those mind fuck movies, you know, where you're just like, uh, going down, uh, uh, what's real, what's not. And if people keep changing, uh, identities, I mean, it's really cool. And, uh, just, uh, from the unreliable narrator or a completely, uh, subjective narrator, you know, narrator. And, uh, so yeah, I definitely recommend that if you haven't seen it, it's, it's good.

It's very 1990, you know, uh, Uh, and the, uh, yeah, the right. Anyway, nevermind. It's a fantastic movie. You should totally see it. Uh, one more for the list.

Yeah. And he wrote that really weird twilight zone, uh, uh, called the howling man when it takes place in a monastery. I think it's shot on video. I've never watched it. Yeah, that whole season where they were shooting it on the video, it's just so unnerving.

It just looks so different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that look, but it doesn't look like Twilight Zone. It feels like, you know, a PBS Masterpiece Theater or something presents the Twilight Zone. It's just like a presentation that went with Art Carney every year I see it.

I'm just like, it just looks like a... We're showing this presentation of a thing we shot at the mall last week on the video camera that was up there. Yeah. It doesn't look professional. It's like when you go into a friend's house or something, you're going to watch a movie, and they've got that real screen setting or super smooth setting on their TV.

And you're just going like, how are you watching? Yeah. movies with the setting on it all looks like a terrible soap opera. You know, they go, what are you talking about? Like, look at it. Look at it.

It doesn't move right. We're not watching this movie with the setting on the TV. Give me your remote. And then I start going through the remote, you know, let's go to the setting. Where's that stupid setting?

They go like, man, you're going to mess up my TV. You're like, shut up. Shut up. We're not watching this movie in smooth scan mode. I don't know what's wrong with you.

Any of those when they got too fancy for their own good, like that first wave of HD that I saw. Yeah. And like the, the first thing that really bought into it was like live sports. And I'm like, I'm. Watching it on probably a thing at the screen at the freaking circuit city or something.

And they've got football from somewhere being beamed in and it just looks so unnatural. Like it's just weird. I'm just like, what? is this? And how do I not watch movies like this? Yeah, exactly.

But people put that on there. It's like high frame rate or something. And it's just like, wow, you've been watching movies and shows on this with this setting. Yeah. Holy cow you poor sick bastard am.

I related only because i've seen this a lot in the last week and i wanted to get your take on it right have you seen people posting images from these new like super 4k extra high def release that just came out but they're using ai to like fix things in it to like smooth out any edges because they want everything to be smooth and look perfect and they're using ai to do it what so there's like a version of i don't think it's original they it's like they took the they recently re-released a super redone version of jaws 3d and jaws the revenge but people are like freezing And they're like, the people in the stands, like on Jaws 3, there'll be a shot of people in the stands, and they have those weird monster faces that when you plug shit into AI, like I'm probably going to do for this episode. but it's like, it's like when you plug in a bunch of nonsense into AI and be like, me a scary image, or you don't even have to tell it to make it scary.

It just makes you a horror face that like looks just enough human to be disturbing, but doesn't look like an actual person. It looks like a zombie of some sort. And that's, what's in the background, but on these blue rays that are coming out, that's what, that's what it looks like now. And it's like, is nobody checking before you're slapping it in the cellophane and putting it out on the shelf somewhere. Yeah.

So I didn't know if you'd. Seen any of this. No, this is kind of blowing my mind. I don't really understand half of what you just said. I'm trying to understand that they took Jaws 3D and Jaws 3D.

The best of the series, obviously. They're trying it out, and they're doing a super 4K version. And then the studio is using AI to add detail that wasn't there. Isn't that nice of them? Mm-hmm.

Are you joking? I'm finding an image. I'm going to send it to you now so you can see what I'm talking about. Are you saying that George Lucas tinkering around with Star Wars is just going to be the norm? The movies that you have grown and loved and like just the way they are, like Jaws 3 and Jaws the Revenge, I'm not going to be able to get a decent copy of Jaws the Revenge.

Oh, I know you're a little upset about that part of it more than anything. Okay, I found at least the one that keeps coming up that I saw. Let me see if I can send it here. Oh. Zoom in on some of those people's faces.

There's a worse one, too. Let me see if I can find it. There's another one that showed up that's just like, what the hell are they doing? Yeah, they've got weird monster. Yeah, they've got those weird distorto faces.

But you would have to pause the movie, right? And zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, zoom in. I'm assuming, but still, this is what they're doing. And like, nobody cares or is checking this kind of crap. Yeah, that's, I don't like that.

I don't like it. I mean, what are they going to do? I mean, are they going to, they, all right. When the DVD first came out, all right. For me, it was distracting.

Because I was used to crap on crap. I like grainy on top of grainy on top of grainy. Exactly. And when I first started watching DVD, I was going like, I don't like this. This is like, whatchamacallit, I can see the makeup strokes on their faces.

There's another horror show I just added on there. And I was... Oh, that's messed up. Oh, messed up. Like it's a nightmare.

And I'm like, why would you do that to your movie? Like you're the studio. You own this property. Why would you mess with it and do that? Do that.

I mean, they're obviously testing it out on. Masterpieces like Jaws 3D and Jaws the Revenge. Nobody gives two shits about. The hell are you saying? I mean, Jaws 3D.

Jaws 3D. Well, it's got your Leah Thompson in it, but Jaws. Oh, that's probably what sold me, but. Yeah, listen, well... It's just.

Really kind of a fun story, like... taking Jaws and jamming it into SeaWorld is a fun story. It's kind of like, uh, whatchamacallit, it's kind of like, uh, something Michael Crichton would do. I mean, it is sort of like, you know, here's the most dumb thing we could do. What if we put a bunch of sharks in here with all these stupid people? Yeah, yeah, right.

What if there was, like, a city underwater and Jaws was coming at them, you know? Um, uh, Jaws at SeaWorld. I mean, it's actually a sick, sick joke, you know? Um... Those, those, those, those great, those, uh, orcas would be like, please kill me.

Please kill me. Please get me out of here. One way or the other. Get me out of here, man. Exactly.

Exactly. Jaws 3D should have made an intrusion on that Blackfish documentary on Netflix. Oh my gosh. What was the... So Jaws 3D was the first movie.

I saw it when I was eight years old in the theater. My mom took me. We sat, we put on the 3D glasses and. What happened about 45 minutes into the movie? It was the first time in a movie theater ever.

I said, this isn't very good. Damn you. How can you say that? And I was eight and I was going like, man, I was really excited about this. I remember at the beginning of Jaws 3D, they had a trailer for Metal Storm, the destruction of Jared Sin.

Do you remember that one? This explains a lot about you. Yeah, right, right, right, right. That Charles Band movie? Yeah.

You were excited about Metal Star. Dude, I was like, Metal Star. I was excited about Megaforce, and they never took me, and then I watched it years later, and I was like, oh, God. Yeah, well, yeah, my parents had some. Yeah, yeah.

I've just recently seen that, and I'm like, what? Wow. What was going on? Whoa. Whoa.

Yeah, yeah. Not everything could be a blockbuster, you know. Yeah, yeah, so. Bucket of Blood. Or Jaws 3D.

Jaws Revenge. No, AI stuff. There is a guy named Damon Packard who made a great underground film maybe in the early 2000s called Reflections of Evil. Now, Reflections of Evil, I don't know where you see it. You probably can see it online on his YouTube channel.

I got like a bootleg DVD of it. And it's basically like this guy spent all his money and made this movie. And back when it was like crazy to do that. And he made this movie called Reflections of Evil, which has some of these great, great, great ideas in it. And great homages.

There is a scene where he shows a young Steven Spielberg directing his first TV movie. called Something Evil, which is a real thing Spielberg did. And they got the Spielberg lookalike, and they're showing him making this movie in Reflections of Evil. It's just the funniest damn thing you've ever seen in your life, all right? And he's always taking pot shots at Spielberg and Lucas because he's our age. And Damon Packard made this movie.

It is great. It is great. And a big fan of his. From that movie. But I think he's, like, you know, probably a crazy person.

And it's called The Fablemans, you say, right? No, no! Which I loved. I loved that movie. Spielberg is back.

And Damon Packard then, now he, but now Damon Packard has, like, gotten into, like, AI. And so it's just crazy ideas that he's making on these AI programs. And so he made, like, A typical day in John Carpenter's life. And it's the funniest damn thing you ever saw. Because John Carpenter recently directed an episode of some TV show from his couch.

You know, they just set up cameras around him. He goes like, I'm not getting up. I'm not putting down the bong. I'm watching basketball. I will direct your stupid TV show if I don't have to leave the house.

And they said like, we can make that happen, John Carpenter. So he's kind of making fun of that, and he's kind of making fun of how much John Carpenter smokes, and just like what a recluse John Carpenter has become. And, you know, it's got that weird uncanny valley AI thing, and just like there's cigarette butts everywhere, you know? Yeah. And they're morphing and moving like water around John Carpenter as he's directing from a computer.

And, you know, he's like, oh, sorry, my cleaning ladies day off. Now punch into a number two. It's a true love letter to John Carpenter. It is a true love letter. John Carpenter is my hero.

He's bitter and old, but he's pretty cool. How long have we been talking? Six or eight hours. That's how it always is. You know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. And yet we've gotten to one movie that we've seen. We watched Bucket of Blood. Bucket of Blood.

This is the Bucket of Blood episode, everybody. Yes, I did watch that a few weeks ago. What movie did you say you watched? Well, I was going to, in particular, I was almost trying to lure you into watching them. You're probably half relieved that we didn't go down that road and we just went for this free-for-all mode.

Yeah, yeah, sure. But first I will describe, and as I've said on this episode and many, many before, as the old man that I am, I'm still picking up physical media. Yeah, man. But this is what won me over. I saw this when I'm in my secondhand...

Physical media store. And I see this and I don't even on the spine. I'm not even sure what it says. It's kind of, it's got two titles, so it's hard to make out. So I pull it out on the cover without even getting to the titles of the movie.

They're way down here, much smaller. It says at the top in giant letters. Oh, I was like, well, obviously I, I need, I need this. I don't even know what this is, but right. So then you go down here.

It is a double feature. That is the... First one is The Million Eyes of Sumeru. Whoa. I like that title.

And the second is The Girl from Rio. Okay. Now, these... Even as I'm looking at them, I'm like, I'm pretty sure these are like weird Italian movies that they've just imported over here. And I probably don't have to read.

Yeah. All right. Dubbing. Yeah. That's what I kind of...

I'm... sadly enjoying dubbing more than i should on anything i watch anymore with sure sure it's just so much fun i'm sorry it is i know real film nerds hate that but i'm not. Okay it's so funny i don't want to. Read and it's still enjoyable especially when it's a ridiculous movie like these are yeah but um so and i was like this is 19 the first one is 1967 So I'm like, all right, I think I'm going to especially I don't read much of this because, again, reading, but I'm just kind of scanning the back here. And the only thing I see is like this lady and world domination in both movies. She's trying to take over the world.

I'm like, obviously, I'm going to have to see these. Right. So I have in the last like two weeks or so watched both of them. OK. OK.

So I will, uh, again, I'd say spoiler alert for these. I don't know that you can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. These, but this was the thing that won me over. And I kind of feel like if you want to start a whole podcast on this, let me know. But I feel like, cause there's a billion podcasts out there talking about those freaking James Bond movies. Don't get me wrong.

I've enjoyed many a James Bond movie. It's fine. They're great. But again, like everybody's talked them to death. Yeah.

To me, it's fascinating. The pop culture impact that I guess those novels and then more specifically those movies had on everything. From the time Dr. No hit the theater, everything began to change. Everything that came after it was just aping the hell out of those movies.

It was like Star Wars. Even when it started, it had that much impact. Everything that came from the mid-60s on... was impacted by James Bond, and maybe nothing was as much until Star Wars came along. Like, there may have been no other weird, like, cultural, you know, blip on the radar there until you hit Star Wars, because everything, much again, so much so that everything to the point where it was watered down and TV shows were doing it, that Back to My Go-To, which, again, because it's on, constantly on me TV now, and the more I see the Beverly Hillbillies, I'm like, you know how pretty solid shit because I didn't care that much about it when I was a kid because I'm like eh whatever backwoods hillbilly people this seems dumb like I didn't care about that part of it when I watch it now I'm like it's actually pretty cleverly written because they're not the butts of the joke like they're They're this indirectly.

They didn't even realize they're smarter than these stupid, shallow people of Beverly Hills. And like, they end up like kind of getting one over on him every time with their simple wisdom. So like, that's right. That's right. Badly written.

But they were one of those that was around for so long and was so popular that they hit all of the pop culture trends. So I just recently saw one where, and it's always Jethro because he's the cool kid. So like there's one where he wants to get in with the beat crowd and he wears stupid beat clothes and goes into the coffee shop and is trying to do poetry and they have to snap at him. And like, it's exactly like checklist of all your beat things that we're making fun of. And then there's another one where he's a, he wants to be a double spy.

That is what he calls himself. But no, it just took over the pop culture so much. though that it's in everything but that's my thing is like there were so many movies that came out that people don't even realize like there's the bigger there's your matt helms and you know you've got the bigger titles that were that kind of when you have like James Colburn doing it, you know, it's like, it's a different, yeah, it's a different thing because it kind of had its own following. It did it good enough. It got its own following, but there's all these other ones that happened around that time that nobody even read. Like they were just cranking them out and the new one showed up at the theater every week.

And like, you just went there because it's like, oh, cool, whatever. Like, you know, it's, it's like what kids were doing anyway at the point. But these are both one of those type of things. But the weird thing is, I guess the first one isn't as weird. You just think maybe it was like a knockoff James Bond.

The weird thing is with them being sort of a series, it's like if we came back for another movie and went, see what Dr. No's up to. I don't know what you're talking about. Let's get with him and see what he's doing now. Because basically through these two movies we follow the villainous lady that wants to take over the world in a James Watson movie.

Wow. So it's what she's doing in the first one. And then we come back and they're calling her kind of by a different name. But even on the back here, it's like it's still kind of a sequel. They're still pretending like it's a sequel, but nobody refers to her as the same name.

Huh. She looks exactly the same anyway. So it's just like, well, I guess. I don't know. but I will say if, if you're only going to watch one of them, the first one is so much fun. Oh, is it?

Okay. And just classy. The million eyes is a cool title. And as you get into it, it's a cool movie. Like if you're willing to put up with a silly knockoff James Bond movie, it's pretty damn cool.

And like, I think this one to me is a little above because it, It has. It's definitely... She's sort of immersed in this Asian culture, even though she's a regular old white lady. Is this Scarlett Johansson? She can be that if she wants.

That was a robot lady. I don't know. But the. It's immersed in that and like shot there. So like the visuals are this really cool little like window into, into this culture at the time.

If you take the dumb, like world domination plot out of it, it's just kind of cool to see the locations and like the, most of it was probably real buildings. And then they'd say build and the costumes that everybody's wearing. It's just sort of nice from that angle. Absolutely. But, But then on top of that, you get like a crazy knockoff James Bond movie going on at the same time.

Yeah, no, I like that. I mean, that's kind of what I like about Danger Diabolique. It's kind of of its time and, you know, kind of a James Bond style kind of movie, you know? But it's also pretty silly in the way that it works in the James Bond, because she's like... She is not winking at all.

The lady that they got as our lead, more or less, kind of, sort of, is Shirley Eaton, who is from... She's from Goldfinger. Really? I haven't watched it, but I'm pretty sure she's, like, the main lady in Goldfinger. I think she's the. the female Bond girl that gets to be, you know, the, the, yeah, she is.

We won't say her name. Jill Masterson, Jill Masterson from Goldfinger. Oh, okay. Well, that's the character's name. She is.

I was thinking of the other character name. I was thinking. No, no. Yeah. It will get canceled if we say that name.

I think even then they kind of, they were talking to, they were talking to, that was the later one, actually. Oh, good. Or any of them. You know, Dr. Goodhead, you know, they're pretty subtle as they went on.

Yeah, it's not even, it makes Austin Powers seem subtle, you know? Even by the time we get to, like, Goldeneye, we get an on-the-top. Oh my god, it's just like. Our last thing was on-the-top. Right, right, it's, uh...

Yeah, we're, the train, the machine is running itself at that point, you know? The snake is eating its own tail. Exactly. But, yeah, Shirley Eaton is our sort of eventually kind of main character, even though she's the villain. But, yeah, that was like their in.

Like, well, she's from James Bond, so this is, like, legit. Like, this is a real movie, like James Bond, because we've got her from James Bond. So you've got our sort of main guy is George Nader. So he's technically our Bond-esque guy. Okay.

More impressively, and I think actually gets top billing, his sidekick guy is Frankie Avalon. Wow. So you get a like late 60s, like coming out of the beach movies. I need to do something else. Frankie Avalon is just like a spoiled rich kid that like has nothing to do.

Like his dad just has millions and millions of dollars. So he's just lounging around on the beach where, you know, make it out with girls. And then when this James Bond dude comes along, he's just like gets into adventures. And the other guy's like, oh, yeah, I'll go with you. He's almost getting shot.

A million times getting into kung fu fights like you do when you're in a James Bond movie. Oh, my God, dude. He's just rich and has nothing else to do. Man, that was hilarious. Yeah, I like the casual-ass atmosphere of those movies.

Yeah, this more than most, I feel like, because George Nader does not seem like he gives a rat's ass about his mission. He's cool and relaxed about it, but at the end of the day, he's going to get business taken care of. No matter who's playing him, they're all still professional enough. They're like, well, I got to do this. I got to go kick somebody's ass, and they get the mission taken care of.

This dude seems like he could care less. Yeah. He's just like, oh, okay, I guess I gotta go over here now. Like, It's a very Italian kind of atmosphere. Oh, we'll get to it later, you know?

It's not like a driven A-type personality kind of movies, you know? But there's even, like, the main guy that sort of shows up is this British guy who's still kind of giving him his, like, oh, well, we'd like you to go look into this over here. So he's sort of the M of this little outfit that, like, He's just there on quote-unquote vacation. He's not really here. I didn't tell you to go do this.

But if you wanted to go investigate this, hey, you know what? Oh, my God. It's so much fun, though. And even this is one of those very specific time period, I guess, when this weird person, this weird actor was coming off of... I've done a lot of lead roles.

I'm also insane. I'm a horrible, horrible human being. we get a nice little cameo at least a minor role by klaus. Kinski whoa as president boom b-o-o-n-g and he is weirdly if you can imagine klaus kinski trying to be kind. Of effeminate whoa You should do that. You'll hurt yourself.

And it will frighten you because everything Kitsuki does is disturbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a weird thing. Let me just say, he does not omit screen time, so you're safe. You can watch it and just kind of close your eyes for a minute and he goes away.

But it is a weird thing. Wow. That one is so much fun. I definitely recommend that one. I just went and went, well, I guess I gotta round this out and watch the second one.

I'm just like, Oh, this is so not the same. Yeah, it doesn't have the same magic, does it? Well, here's the problem. Let me figure out. So the director of Million Eyes of Sumeru is Lindsay Shontef.

I don't know who that is, but as a point of comparison, the director of The Girl from Rio is Jess Franco. Oh, the legendary Jess Franco. The craftsman. The porn director. Right.

The almost porn director. Or the full on porn director. Jeff Franco. Just depends on what pseudonym he was using at the time. but his stuff, I don't know anything about his stuff. I don't think that's the thing.

I saw it and was like, Oh, I know him by name, but I don't think I've, I, if I've seen anything, I don't remember it enough to where that, that I connected it with him. Right. But even looking at the behind the scenes, like the older version of our lead is talking about him. And she's like, Oh, I didn't know he did porn when I did this. Yeah.

And she's like, reputation, like, she was, like, he was fine to work with, I got along with him, but, you know, people kind of associate him with a certain type of movie. That's right, yeah, absolutely, you know, like, uh, like, uh, vampire lesbian movies, you know, that kind of stuff, you know, or, uh, which, you know, it's. Funny because this movie is so, to me, not that, like, I'm not saying there isn't a little, but it's, like, again, all the girls dress in, like, That's where I spent, I think they spent most of their budget was just to get the girls semi matching outfits in certain scenes. There's a whole lot of women. Again, this is a world domination.

So she's got like all these women and they're all wearing this weird like giant round dress. donut-shaped piece of material and the hole in the middle is where they shove their head and then it just sort of drapes around them at that point so if you're also not wearing a shirt you get a little side boob is. What i'm saying i get you i get you so there's that. And then there's a scene where there's like oh this girl that he was like running around with is in the shower so you get a little flash there but like it's pretty minimal yeah for something that that just like oh Again, in the late 60s, I guess you still didn't get a ton of that in legit movies. So, like, it's, you know, it was probably pretty racy at the time.

There's a scene where they kind of work in a gonna be a lesbian scene, but they cut away from it. Right. Which was funny because, which was funny because our leads were like, yeah, that's not me. We're seeing it through like a draped, like a mesh sort of thing. Yeah. her in bed and we assume it's her but she's like if you look at it this girl's hair is way longer than mine and i turned away from the camera the whole time and the other lady that's like a minor character comes in and it's actually her and she like we see some boob and then they get ready to make out and we cut away so that's as racy as you're gonna get for 1969 or whatever this was.

Jess Franco, though, shot 20 hours of that scene, and they kind of cut it all out. I mean, it's all sitting in his house. If you come over, he'll shout it to you. That's right. He'll put it on the.

It'd be like the scene at the beginning of the howling and everything. Actually, it's just like him. Turn around, Karen. Turn around. He's just like Burt Reynolds in Boogie Nights.

He's got a screening room. He's just sitting there watching them on film the old-fashioned way. This is what it was an art form, man. You kids don't understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Totally, dude. But yeah, the second one, not quite. For something that should be, like I said, there's still a whole bunch of girls running around with machine guns, wearing matching outfits, and it seems like that part of it would be enough to make it fun, but it's just... I think it's because... i got about halfway in and i i was like are we ever gonna get to a plot right right and there really isn't like at least in the first one there's this whole big crazy plot of her and all these other girls that are legitimately like trying to take over the world and like they just don't trust men in general and i'm like yeah i get that and like there's all these cool like points built into the story and then you get to the second one and it's like Okay.

So they think this guy's got money. So they like try to kidnap him. But at the same time, somebody else is trying to kidnap him from like a different group. And they also want his money. And I'm like, so.

People just want money in this. Yeah, this one sucks. There's not a chaos organization trying to take him down. We don't ever get anybody giving him real James Bond-y missions to go do that. He just gets kidnapped badly a few times.

People keep trying to take money that he may or may not have on him. And that's like halfway into the plot. I'm like, we've not done anything else in this movie except him get into bad kung fu fights and stuff. And this guy's not even as much fun as our first. I don't know who this lead was, but I was not thrilled with him either.

So I was just not having near as much fun with the second one, I got to say. Yeah, that's cool, man. That's cool. You know, the sequels, you know, Cannonball Run 2 is no Cannonball Run, you know. But the outtakes are epic.

You stay through those credits, man. Those outtakes. Dom is just a national treasure. National treasure, Dom DeLuise. No joke, man.

No joke. That was one of the first things I'd go like, man, you remember when you'd go see a movie just because it had Dom DeLuise in it? Hell yeah. It's funny how actors just get traded out and traded out over the years. It's like, you'll see something coming out from.

You know, 1989, you go like, oh, look, it's got Laurie Singer and Dom DeLuise in it. You're like, boy, that was just. A lot of times when you would just be like, well, they're a name. So we got a name much like these. They're like, we got that girl from Goldfinger.

Like if you get a name that's recognizable, like even Dom DeLuise became towards later in his career, like anything you could get him in. If you were an up and coming filmmaker, like that was a score, man. Yeah. He was in the biggest movies at the time, you know, when he, when he was, I mean, when he was hanging out with Bert, like they were just making money. Yeah.

Hand over fist. Like it didn't matter. They were just like super popular, cranking out cash, man. Like, so that was a big deal. If you could get him in one of your movies, like that's, that's, that's what you were going for, man.

Absolutely. Yeah. Get me Deloese. We need a, up the fun hand us. That's the thing though.

He had like, he had skill. He's a good actor. I kind of want to go back and rewatch it. Cause I was listening to something with, with his son in it and he kept referencing how much, um, how good fat so is. And that's one of those I remember on cable as a kid.

And I remembered that it existed, but I barely remember anything from it. Yeah. And like, it really is like kind of a, I mean, it's sort of got a little comedy baked into it, but it's, pretty sad as the story goes. So like, I kind of want to revisit that. Cause I feel like he was probably a lot better actor than, you know, he got credit for by the time he was just hanging out with Bert to be the, the, you know, silly sidekick character.

Right. So I kind of want to go back and watch that. And like the 12 chairs and like some of that early stuff that like, he probably got a little chance to, you know, actually do some acting. Yeah, no, I like them. I like them.

And, uh, uh, I probably seen that movie hot stuff. uh, a lot. And, uh, I think there's probably weed jokes in that, that I didn't get at the time. I think he's getting like super munchies and in some scene, I always wondered what was going on. Right, right, right, right. I think if I've watched, I mean, considering the year it came out, I'm going like, yeah, this was like 1980 or something like that.

And Cheech and Chong type stuff was real popular. Uh, You know, I think that's probably what that was. But replaying, you know, you replay scenes from your childhood and you go like, oh, that's probably what was going on there. There's a lot of those because I watched whatever the hell I wanted growing up. So it's like I saw tons of stuff I probably didn't need to see.

But it's funny years later. We're like, yeah, but I didn't know what half of this was. I didn't get what was going on half the time. Yeah. For real, dude, for real.

I've rambled about a couple of mine. Did you have anything else you've watched lately? Okay, okay, just quick, quick, one, two, three. We'll start with, you were talking about Klaus Kinski, and I would say that, yeah, piece of shit human being. Oh, yeah, he's a horrible, horrible piece of shit.

But a movie I really love is Venom. from like 1980 or 81 about the snake in the apartment with the uh uh like the burglars and it takes place in uh like the criminals are stuck in a apartment surrounded by cops in a high rise and then this black mamba snake gets loose oh it's a house it's a house. Have you not seen this This is the one I'm going to bring because, again, I can almost picture the video box. Like, I remember it, but I do not know that I've ever sat down and watched it. Dude, okay. It's a killer snake movie, but I guess this is the years, you know, Jaws was still influencing things, you know, killing animals.

Oh, it looks like Tom Hardy's in it. Great. Oh, wait. No, that's not the same. No.

Oh, right. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, I see the box here. I definitely passed this on a video shelf 2,000 times. Yeah, dude, it is great.

I saw it on, like, the ABC Sunday Night Movie or something like that. And I had only seen it when I was, like, 7 or 8 and, you know, had forgotten all about it. But, um. But I recently rewatched it, you know, recently in the last five years. And I was like, wow, that's a good freaking movie.

They just hired, it takes place in England. And so everybody has like, you know, British accents. So everybody sounds like they're acting like Sir Lawrence Olivier, you know. Is it supposed to be set in England? Or they just all happen to have British accents?

No, it takes place in England. So it's got that time and place, you know. And everybody's wearing trench coats. Awesome. Cool already.

It's just got a great look to it, a great vibe about it. And, I mean, it's a ridiculous story. I mean, the sneak is picking off, you know, these bad guys. It's got some really good faces from the time period. Who was the Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry guy?

Whoever played that blonde who played Dirty Mary is in this movie. Susan George? Susan George is in it. Right. I'm looking at the list here.

We got a Sarah Miles and a Susan George and Sterling Hayden. Hell yeah. This is what I'm talking about. God among. Men sterling hayden is in it and um and uh and so And so, yeah, it's a really freaking cool movie.

And, yeah, they've got really good actors. And, you know, the backstory is that Tobey Hooper was going to direct it. And he directed, like, maybe two weeks. And then they fired him because Tobey Hooper's crazy. I was going to say, they do have him co-listed on the directors here on IMDb.

Absolutely. But he didn't get to keep the job. You know, he kept getting fired. That happens to Tobey a lot. It certainly does.

And if you ever... Have you ever, you know, cause he's just like a tech, an Austin, Texas hippie, you know, and he's not like from the USC film school and he doesn't talk that language. He's just like, uh, the greatest thing I ever saw about Toby Hooper was they did a behind the scenes, a documentary on him directing the toolbox murders. And, uh, it's the greatest freaking documentary. I haven't been able to find it.

I think somebody took it down, but, It's just great how he's directing that movie because it's like watching David Lynch work or something like that. It's just like a man with, like, on his own planet making a movie. And, well, you know, when you see Zemeckis, he's got his animatics and he's pointing always, they're always pointing a certain direction. And knows how to communicate with everybody on the set and get stuff done. Get stuff done.

That's not Toby's. That is not Toby at all. Toby, while they're, I feel like I've said this story before on an earlier episode. Toby, because I talk about Toby Hoover a lot. We have talked about him a few times.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like doing a scene and it's supposed to be a scary scene. And so, you know, while everybody's shooting the movie, Toby's like sitting off in the corner with a wrench in a bucket. And he's just like hanging on the bucket with a wrench. And I guess I'm going like, well, I guess that's how he directs movies.

You know. And if you watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre, you go like, yeah, it really worked for that material. He likes his weird material. He likes his weird material. So, you know, some not Toby Hooper is not the right fit for every project, you know.

But but I mean, he makes a but he works so much in TV, you know, he he must have. I don't know. I don't know, but I can't go into the Toby Hooper. I think you just don't have to be near as connected on TV because you're just in and out. It's a lot of workmen.

You're just you show up. You know how to work the cameras. You know how to set up. You cut to this. You cut to that.

And you're out for the week. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was a lot easier to just get a one and done kind of job and not have to connect with all the actors. Because they're there every week. They know their character.

They know what they're doing. You're just there to set up the shot, call it, and be done. Yeah, and say cut and action. Yeah. So yeah, it's not so bad.

But yeah, he was his own guy. But Venom. So it was one of the multiple movies that he got fired off of in the late 70s, early 80s. And I think there was like a cocaine problem. I mean, whatever.

It was the late 70s, early 80s. That never happened at that time. That never happened in Hollywood? Are you kidding me? Never on movies?

Come on. Come on, dude. Man, I just can't get started on Toby. Supposedly him and Kim Hinkle were going to make a... sequel to Texas Chainsaw Massacre called Beyond the Valley of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What era was this?

This was. After 2 or before 2? No, no, before 2. This was when he went to Hollywood after Texas Chainsaw Massacre and he had a deal. You know, people love Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

He got, you know, Ridley Scott and William Friedkin really loved that movie and so they were championing him for a while and that's probably how he got in good with Spielberg. I mean, just people... loved that movie. And then, you know, he made some, you know, Salem's lot and it looked like, you know, it was a big deal for television. And, and I love the fun house, you know, amazing. I don't know what I'm talking, dude.

I'm just going over. This is the Toby Hooper filmography. What does Sam think about Toby Hooper? Anyway, but a podcast, but anyway, it's okay. Venom is great.

It's my point. My point is Venom is great. And it kind of ties into another movie I'm going to talk about. But then I rewatched The Howling. The Howling holds up.

I enjoy it better than American Werewolf. I just think. Joe Dante's take on the werewolf stuff is just incredible. All right. And it, I, I like, and some people think it's a real piece of shit movie, but I fucking love the Howling.

That's what I was going to say. We ended up just talking about this recently and was rewatched by someone on the show. And, um, This it's been a little while since I've seen it. They commented on it being slower than they remembered. Oh, you find that.

Oh, I think that movie. I didn't remember that. Like, I mean, we did a whole episode years and years ago, and I don't remember that being an issue for me at the time. Yeah. So I was like, maybe it's just your connection with the movie.

I don't know, because I was like, I didn't remember it being slow in my head. The writing of that movie is so good and uh the dialogue and stuff i mean still my favorite one of my favorite things is the guy's racing to save his girlfriend or save the heroine and he gets stuck at a he has to get gas and the guy won't move his car and he goes like hey buddy you know some of us you know don't make enough to drive a mazda you know and he's like come on and uh I love that. He set the bar pretty low. As someone who's had a monster for many, many years. Yeah, well, and it's just so funny because they never have to get gas in a movie when they're in a high-speed race to save the lady.

But it's just so funny, little details like that. And Dick Miller is so good in that movie. And, um, and anyway, it's a great movie. It holds up. I love it.

I love it to death, you know? And, um, but finally we'll just say, um, Venom kind of connects to this other movie. I watched, uh, watched it right before the show and I watched the new horror movie, Abigail. All right. I have heard about it a little bit here and there on the internet.

So what was your take on it? Okay. So I didn't realize this was going to be a real movie by people I actually liked. But I didn't realize these were the directors of... I was going like, this is kind of giving me a Ready or Not vibe.

And then, lo and behold, it's the same dudes who made it. Those guys are pretty good. Dude. They've got a good track record. Yeah, yeah.

Ready or Not, some of those VHS movies, the first, the Scream, you know, retro requel or whatever. Which I had a lot of fun with. I liked that first. One in particular. Absolutely.

I was going like, that's what you got to do. You just got to wait 30 years and then make a sequel, you know. I think that one from 2022 is fantastic. The one in New York is fine. I enjoyed that one more than most.

Now the whole franchise has gotten itself in trouble for other outside reasons. We're in trouble in general if you're a screen fan at this point. But those two were fine. I enjoyed them. I thought the straight requel was fantastic.

It did what the others were trying to do. It did what Wes was trying to do, only it did it now with all this new stuff that we're dealing with. Wes would have probably loved to take a bite out of that stuff, but he was gone. I feel like they picked up the baton and did pretty good with it, I gotta say. Yeah, it's kind of like talk.

Well, it was, that was kind of about toxic fan cultures, right. Which is massively good. And just like becoming a celebrity in quotes there, just because people have seen you, you know, now everybody's ends up on the internet at any given point, even if you don't want to be sometimes. So it's like, it was that level of like being forced into celebrity, them toxic fandom, like recall bullshit. Like everything becomes a, 20 years, 30 years later sequel.

It addressed a lot of that stuff that we didn't have even in Scream 4. No, no, no. Scream 4 is just like the worst case scenario. I mean, Scream 3 may be worse. I don't know.

I like 3. It's kind of got a Scooby-Doo kind of vibe. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I know people like Dragon 3, but people don't love 4 either. Nobody likes 3.

Just because it's playing with the again, it's so within its own world that like the fact that we have them running around a set version of the house from the first movie is kind of genius. Like for that, for that thing that they're doing from the little gimmick that they're playing from the first one that carries on in the second one. And like, I feel like they do a pretty good job. The wrap up, there's always a toss up. It could be ridiculous from the, you know, Even the first one, I'm sure somebody hated.

But, like, from two on, every time, it's like, oh, but then the end. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm fine with it. Whatever. The Scream endings are, you know, real give and take.

I kind of like this ending from Scream 3 more than I like the one from Scream 2. I think that guy is kind of cool. I'm the director. He's got that great last minute taking the bullets. The way they kill him is pretty cool.

But Scream 4, I guess that's Julia Roberts' daughter. I didn't really care for that one. It kind of goes back and forth. Scream 1, I like the ending. didn't like the acting. It's the acting is what it is.

See, I loved Emma Roberts in the fourth one. I wanted... I went on the show and preached how much I wanted her to make it so we could follow her. Right. Because I wanted more of that crazy.

Like, she's just insane by the end of that. Yeah. And I'm just like, that's what I want. Can we just follow her around? Right, right.

I'm sick of seeing Courtney and Kajik's face. Stop showing her and give me more of Emma Roberts, damn it. Okay. Okay. Let me tell you about Abigail.

Abigail is incredible. I had an incredible... great time with this movie okay i mean uh i was going to see it in a theater i didn't know the directors were people i liked i just thought the concept seemed pretty cool you know kind of high concept and it's very much like venom i guess i just like movies it's kind of like reservoir dogs meets a horror movie you know and and um so it's kind of like scumbags so you're kind of like going like oh yeah we get to watch the the supernatural element you know dispatch scumbags in a cool way you know but this movie does a really good job of making our main scumbag very uh uh uh relatable you know uh the the the female lead in it is great and the uh guy that i also recognize the guy who was in uh the adam wingard uh was the guest uh movie uh uh.

He's again better than i expected it. To be absolutely yeah yeah and uh so the main guy from that is in it and um so the cast is all really good it's all very well acted uh it's got you know it all takes place in a creepy rich mansion you know so you're really getting some strong ready or not vibes off of it but then it's also kind of combined bind with uh like uh this creepy little girls genre that's becoming popular again because Megan made so much money. Again, have you seen that one? Yeah, I did. I saw it in the theater.

I took a kid to see it. And I thought it was fine. I was like, it's not great. But I was like, it was pretty much what I expected, only they're pretty solid on some of the moments there where I'm like, oh, this is moving into creepy territory. I'll give it to them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was kind of cool. It was pretty cool. And they're making a sequel and everything. So Megan is good, but I would say...

Yeah, but you could see this is influenced by... Or, you know, Megan's got that weird scene where she comes out of the elevator and starts dancing for some reason. You know? Yeah. There's a big scene in this movie.

Well, I'm just going to say that the director's... these, these, these directors, I, I think they have good taste. All right. And, uh, they just put stuff in movies I like to see. And, um, there's a, there's a scene where like, yeah, there's a dancing scene in this that is, is just fantastic. And, uh, I'm just going like, excellent.

Excellent. These people read Fangoria magazine when they were growing up. And, uh, this is just, you know, you can just sort of tell they're kind of like, um, you know, you know, drink from the same pop culture cup. And, um, And they, it's really cool characters. And, you know, there's some real surprises.

It's kind of like Ready or Not. You know, it's going like, wow, this is much better than I thought it was going to be. I really thought Abigail was just going to be a throwaway thing. And I really enjoyed it. And the guy who, the guy from The Guest, I think his name is Chris something.

I don't know. He played Beauty and the Beast and the big Dan Stevens. All right. He choose, he is so good in this movie, um, through all his different, you know, moments. Uh, and there's some really cool, uh, twister ruse and, the Melissa Barrera, you can tell I'm on a internet database right now.

She's incredible in it and she wears too much eyeliner. So it's fantastic. All right. And, um, and what else was she and she was she is also in scream oh but she's in the scream movies okay so i guess she's probably the one that got fired for having an opinion. That you're not oh wait is she the older yeah yeah yeah right she's the one that got in trouble and well one of them got way too popular and she wasn't going to come back anyway more than likely yeah the other one got in trouble.

Because she had you know an opinion so yeah it's. All falling exactly Yeah, yeah. Well, she's great. There's somebody that's in some Ant-Man movie or something. She's great.

All the people are in it are great. And the little girl playing the vampire is great. And there's a really good, you know, it's got a really good ending. But it's got a really good, great sense of humor to it. You know, it's got kind of like that Sam Raimi sense of humor to it.

It's very bloody. And it's very well-paced. and they do a really good job of like just metering out information about the characters, you know, uh, and making things come back around. It was well-written. It's just a good, I mean, I would say you could pick up a copy of that and just know that your, your 599 at the Walmart bargain bin is safe. Uh, if they had any, if they had, if they had those.

If they still had those, um, It's a great movie. What did I put in there? The Dan Stevens has a real Bruce Campbell kind of thing going on. Nice. Which is cool.

They have the good taste to use the John Carpenter font during the end credits. I started at the end of my notes. My eyes are terrible. Let's see here. I'm already there.

The Abigail creepy little girl. I'll just read out. I'll try to read my notes here and everything. uh abigail creepy little girl movies so you got you know oh you know like the exorcist you know probably is the grandfather the godfather of those and they do a great exorcist homage in this um kind of a deep cut where you just kind of got to know um uh so it's kind of like like the sugar plum fairy from uh cabin in the woods got their own movie you know all right yeah And, uh, bad guys running, yeah, so, uh, it's like all the people are, because they're bad guys, they're all cool, you know? And they did a real good job, uh, uh, they did a good job making everybody, uh, you know, distinct and, and whatnot.

Uh, and it kind of has, like, you know, Let's see here. I said eyeliner. You're really into this girl. Yeah, I do. And radio silence, I guess, is the film group that, you know, this these directors go by.

And but yeah, I was going like, man, this is like ready or not meets, you know, Megan. But really, really freaking cool. Let's see here. Oh, yeah. Say 11 minutes in.

So far, so good. And then I wrote, this is really good. And then I said, 30 minutes in. Creaky old house. I love that.

Oh, this is a big deal. When somebody is getting murdered in a room, other people in the house can hear it. And that drives me crazy in horror movies. Where somebody can be two rooms down and screaming and knocking stuff off books and everything. And the people are in the living room.

It's like the ending of scream, you know, in that house, nobody hears anything in the next room. I mean, it's just kind of crazy, but, um, what is it? Oh yeah. It's got a good kind of like, you know, trapped atmosphere kind of like, uh, ready or not. And, uh, it's got a cool, like a timer kind of like escape from New York.

You know, they've got to like hold it together for X amount of hours before, uh, you know, help, help is going to come. Uh, the dance scene is amazing. Vampire. Slow giving out the info. That was good.

Evil Dead sense of humor. There's not only one vampire in the movie. How that happens is great. You're just going to love that. They're all very, very aware that they're in a movie about vampires.

It's kind of got a Fright Night kind of atmosphere to it. Too nice that's always a go-to for me yeah. Yeah it's kind of got that there's there's moments that are reminiscent of fright night where they're going like i can't believe we're in a vampire movie you know kind of thing you know um kind of like from dusk till dawn too you know so it's it would be a good from dusk till dawn fright night uh abigail triple feature kind of thing you know nice and uh let's like jot down here In the dark. Let's see. Great at making the heroine sympathetic.

Great glances? Don't know. Game over. Bruce Campbell vibe. And then I wrote green eggs and ham.

So I guess we're back to square one. It's all come full circle. Yeah, yeah. So I would say I wish I did see Abigail in the theater. I think it's a really good you know, I mean, it's got the same ready or not vibe to it.

I think I like this lady, you know, better than, uh, I know it was, uh, what is it? Samira weaving. I like this character better. You know, I'm not going to say I like the actress better, but I think I like the character better in those, you know, I mean, they're both cool, whatever. It's got the same vibe and it's just, it just comes together and it's, uh, got a really good sense of humor about it.

You know, it's got that same, you know, ready or not kind of vibe scream remake, uh, vibe to it. So I can't, I would just say like, yeah, definitely watch it. I enjoy the hell out of it. This is good. I need to, and I'm looking it up now and I'm like, ah, another streaming service I don't have.

Damn you people. Stop making it hard to watch things. For real, dude. For real. Oh man.

Yeah, yeah. So I was shocked. I just thought it was going to be some throwaway horror movie that I wasn't ever going to think about again or barely get through. But it was a real winner, man. And so far it's movie of the year.

Again sometimes you can assume they set the bar low for those sort of things but you know totally i feel like there's been a few good ones yeah yeah. I think so man i think so dude all right all right well. I can round us out with a teaser here okay because once again as a tie-in to several things we've mentioned and the fact that I'm still buying physical media. The other day in a real store, I went in the world, I picked it up with my hands, but I saw it and I was like, what the hell is this? Are you familiar with Nosferatu in Venice?

No. What the hell? Well, I only picked it up because I went, oh God, is that Klaus Kinski? Oh no. So, according to the back of this, It was intended to be an unofficial sequel to Herzog's Nosferatu.

And instead became, put into this, one of the most notoriously fascinating productions of Euro cult history. What? And like, even on the box here, it says, Kloskinski, and now the quote is, now fully in the grip of his batship crazy phase of his career. I'm like, damn it, I'm going to have to get this, even though that guy's a piece of shit. I keep watching movies that he's in because he's so insane.

Yeah, yeah. But then the other, like, going down further, I just kind of scan him, like, wait, Donald Pleasance? We're like, this is real actors in it. So, yeah, this is an odd... later version of revisiting this uh nosferatu character with the same piece. Of shit yeah was it good.

I haven't seen it yet i just got it like i just ran across it like yesterday so that was why i was like it's a teaser so i can watch this and yeah either we can work it into a horror episode somewhere down the line officially or we can just come back and you and i can talk about it whichever you or if anyone out there cared prefers but. Yeah yeah yeah yeah No, that sounds good. There's a weird teaser of more Klaus Kinski is a horrible human being that keeps making movies. Right, that we end up watching. It just happens.

It just happens, guys. He's got screen presence. I don't know. He's terrible. He definitely has something.

I don't know what it is. But I thought that was a nice teaser for the future. Somewhere down the line, I can talk about that. Whoever wants to join me on that, probably Nightmare Jacks. Sure, dude.

Yeah, that's cool. That gives me something to research and everything about the stuff. Excellent. Excellent. Brian, man, this was crazy, dude.

It always is when we have one of these get-togethers. I thought, I was going like, man, I was so tired this week and everything. I was going like, this is probably going to be a 35-minute episode. I don't think you and I could do a 35-minute episode. Pretty sure, if you bet us money, we couldn't do it.

Yeah, for real, dude. I was not expecting to go through a green eggs and ham nervous breakdown at the beginning. Well, you know, once again, that's the world that both you and I existed. Pretty much. And we watch movies, too.

So, you know, that's how it comes together. Absolutely. Well, thank you for coming. Along on this journey. And it's always fun.

So I want to, like I said, in the past, I want to keep this going as long as you're willing. Sure. And anybody else who wants to come along, that's up to you guys. But the two of us have fun. So that's what's good.

Absolutely. Absolutely, guys. So, yeah, I think this is one for the books and everything. I think it was the best. episode we've done so. Who knew who every episode is the best episode we've ever done i think so it just gets better and better excellent excellent well yeah well thanks for uh inviting me on man and everything i'll let you go.

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