Jabbering Hominids

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Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power. More cooling in the containment chamber. Scotty, beam me up. What's up and welcome to movie meltdown i'm brian and joining me today is i'm not even sure who it is you you tell me who is. This according to zoom i'm my wife right now but uh.

That explains your very fetching photo i'm like that's normally not his look i i don't know what's going. On here but i don't know i'm changing it up changing it up new look new me it's all good it's all good well they say after you've been married for a long time you start looking like each other you know I. See couples that that's true with you guys. I don't think so, but I'm not around you every day. So I don't know.

We'll have to check back in. We have had a, made a suicide pack. If we end up waking up one day and we look down and we're wearing matching red, white, and blue jogging suits. Oh, but that's going to be so cool. What are you thinking?

We have, we have a, hiking poles and we're going around the neighborhood. Oh man, I'm looking forward to this. Let me know when this kicks in. I want a live feed on your activities these two. Right.

And since we're wearing jogging suits, they'll think we're a part of a cult. As long as you got the shoes on, you know, you gotta have the right tennis shoes or you can't be part of the cult. I mean, Once your religious leader is picking out your shoes for you. It's time. I feel like that says something about your cult.

I'm like, if the most important thing he has to worry about is what. Shoes you're wearing, you might be in the wrong cult. It's like the UFO is like Studio 54 and you're wearing the wrong stuff. They're not going to let you in. Yeah.

There's a bouncer at the door of Heaven's Gate. No, no, no. You, you two. Hot chicks. Hot chicks.

You can come in. You can come in. No, no. You losers stay over there with your tennis shoes. That's right.

With your tennis shoes. Where's your white kids? Once again, we have distracted even your introduction. So, sir, as the case may be. Sam Drog.

We'll be Sam today. And we'll be Sam. All right. If you've heard these episodes before, none of this will come as a surprise to you. Yeah.

This is how they all start in the middle and end. So you'll be fine. God bless ADHD. And the medication that serves you. And the medication I did not take.

We can't tell at all. I don't know what you're talking about. Absolutely. Yeah, man. Excellent.

Excellent. So it had been a while. I was, I was, I was missing the Sam fix. And I was like, this, this week i think i'm gonna see if he's up for it and sucker that you all fell right into. My trap no no no this is the uh i look this is the only zoom call i look forward to this is the only one i do really yeah yeah.

I try to stay off of. It during the show normally but once again we haven't figured out that transport portal type of thing if we could come up with some sort of Doctor Strange portal to just get there within seconds. It would make this a lot easier. To do, but instead we have to use this Zoom portal, which is... It's fine.

Whatever. So, the question is if they invent teleportation and the only... And the only side effect is it gives you explosive diarrhea. Yeah. Are you going to want to be on the other end of that process?

See, if they do and they create it, will they at least make the portal boxes look exactly like Cronenberg's The Fly? Even if it works right, when you get in, you're like, oh man, I am screwed. Oh God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same portal, but it's got a toilet there because as soon as you come over, it's six seven minutes of non-stop a river runs through it you know anthony hopkins uh academy award winning uh actor uh.

Get pretty pretty brad pitt. Come on yeah that was his most pretty maybe that was yeah it's it's it's it's disturbing how how people and pretty people in their prime are like uh it's like psychotically pretty, you know? It's almost just like- Weird offshoot from where you were just at, but- It reminded me, we sold t-shirts of that back in the olden days at the old video store. Most of our shirts were just like super geek heavy. Just here's your Star Wars stuff.

Here's your super geeky. Mostly again, 99% guy stuff, guy stuff, you know? And then that movie came out and there was that reclined flowing hair. Shot of Brad on a black t-shirt. And underneath it, it said, legends of the fall oh my.

Gosh ladies lined up and i was just like well they found one they found something that wasn't a dorky guy property to sell a t-shirt and i was i was pretty proud of them. Yeah yeah yeah that's that's just like something it's almost like movies starring those people or like it's almost like a zoo that is like they bought a zoo no that's matt damon No, no. Zoo. Oh, we bought the zoo. Different pretty dude, I guess.

Not quite Brad Pritt and his prime pretty, but he's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. He kind of looks like a...

He looks to me not like a special ops person. He looks to me like a really intense, like a Denny's manager. Nowadays, nowadays, I mean, I guess his talent, a bit. Of like the informant guy was his true calling. Like, right.

Right. Right. Right. Was like his real identity and everything else is just a lie. That's right.

That's right. Back when he first became popular, my brother said the only role he should play is Is the mean, whatchamacallit, rowing captain of the evil rowing team on a rowing team, you know, underdog story. Like an 80s movie? Like Up the Creek, only a rowing team version of Up the Creek. Right, exactly.

That's the only role he should ever be allowed to play. I love the amount of tangents and nonsense there. and references we've already gotten. Yeah, I don't even know how long we've been recording. What's going on? Hours, hours already.

So I'm trying to backtrack a few things here. Yes, go ahead. Transportation. Sure, transportation, diarrhea. First of all, you're not the.

First person on this show to bring up the possibility of transportation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Teleportation. Whether or not. You remember that episode, but there's at least one person on the show who's brought up the fact that teleportation is real and we have the technology.

So you're not alone in that. Well, like, what? I didn't say that, did I? No, no. No joke.

It was legitimately someone else, and they weren't joking. They may have been crazy, but they weren't joking. Sure, okay. We'll leave that for another time. All right, all right.

But the. The thing I have is because you brought it up. Right. That's why I went with my Doctor Strange portal. I came up with a new option after watching all your Marvel movies because I was like, well, that just opens up a portal in space and time.

You walk through, you're in the new place. That one doesn't creep me out. If you're doing Star Trek version. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's like it.

No. You're dead. It disassembles you. Yes. And reassembles you somewhere else.

That's not you anymore. It's like a copy of you. Right. And then eventually you go all kinds of places and it's a copy of a copy of a, and then it's just multiplicity and you're just smacking yourself in the head with something. That's right.

It's like problems. It is problems. It is problems. They never really address that enough. You know, I mean, Star Trek motion picture kind of got into it a little bit, you know, but which I just recently watched.

And you're awake currently? Wait a minute. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Can we just talk a moment about motion picture?

Okay. It has been a long time since I've seen it. And it feels like it's still going on right now. Yeah. Okay.

All right. It's a totally different breed. By the time you get to, like, Star Trek 3, it's, like, a completely different type of series, right? Oh, even 2. Like, I think 2 turns that corner hard.

Hard. Because I just rewatched that when talking to the director. And I was like... Oh, yeah, yeah. You're doing a whole different thing than what they handed you like that's amazing so yeah okay but but going back a movie what is your right motion picture right it's it's boring as hell right but but it's got this kind of gravitas to it.

And it's actually trying to deal with an interesting idea, you know, but here's the thing that kind of blew me away and sort of like, this is maybe revisiting movies. You used to love maybe the theme of the show here. Cause I've got a couple that I've revisited recently that didn't hold up. But Star Trek mission picture actually held up more for me this time. But you remember the scene at the beginning where they take 12 minutes to drive around and park the little pod into the Enterprise.

I feel like that's the whole reason for that movie. They were like, look, I just saw 2001. 2001, right. And I just want to see a. Version of that only with the Enterprise.

And they were like, well, let's see how many millions we can get together. Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly.

It's basically saying like, look, we're not going to do Star Wars. We're going to do 2001 and we're going to, we're going to make Star Wars is like science fantasy. This is hard science fiction. This is for the real geeks. This isn't like for the nerd stuff, man.

This is real nerd stuff. This isn't going to appeal to the general masses. This is only for people, you know, who are like. You know, sitting home on Sunday morning, writing for Star Trek to start. That's right.

Right. Right. Right. That scene though, we're, it takes them 45 minutes to find a parking spot. And they're the only ship.

And their other ship, the wave in space guy. Hey, it's over there. That's probably the parking attendant. Say like, you've passed it back. Go back.

That scene. When I first saw it, I love that scene. And I was like, the enterprise is so huge. Look how huge the enterprise is. It goes, It is massive.

Look how massive this enterprise is. And I watched it the other day. I was going like, wait a second, that's just a model. That is not that big. You thought it was actually to scale built?

They were like, they really spent their millions hardcore. They were like, they built a full scale enterprise. Holy cow, they went to space. I was just so much, I was just, as a kid, I was able to suspend my disbelief. When I watched it the other day, I was like, I think I see some brushstrokes.

Or I was going like, look at that little tinted glass window. There's nobody in there. That's just a model. This whole thing's a sham. This whole thing's a lie.

This is a lie. This is all a lie. Movies have been lying to me all this time. But I was going like, holy cow. I really used to be able to, but watching it the other day, I was going like, wait a second.

I mean, I know everybody knows this already. This is not going to be news to anybody who listens. You know, Star Trek isn't real. Right. Wait a minute.

Yeah. But I was just like, I. Already suspect the Millennium Falcon's not really flying. Hold on a minute. This is all coming together.

Yeah. Yeah. It was weird. It was a weird experience. I was going like, okay, so that's, that's like a model.

That's really. As time's going on, I've gone like, I guess I knew that at some point, but now I've, I've. Leaned the other way. And so now when I look at that, I'm like, freaking impressive that model. So I go to the other geek extreme of just like, okay, dudes and random ladies had to build these things.

Look how meticulously everything was put together and the brush strokes. Are barely noticeable. Oh yeah. You really can't, you really can't see I'm being mean and everything, but I'm just saying, I'm just saying, no, I, and I agree with you, Brian. It's a, it's a, an amazing feat. of, uh, the way they shot it and the way they use the right lenses to make it look really big and did all the tricks in the book to make that scene work as well.

I was just, it was just, uh, it was just like, Oh, wait a minute. I haven't seen this, you know, in 20 years and, you know, now with CG and everything, everything's so detailed and so precise and, you know, maybe, Oh, too much movement, you know, too much stuff going on in a shot. But, um, But even when it doesn't look good, I appreciate it. Like sometimes I will see your super low budget set. Well, and again, this is a weird thing about maybe just.

Being an old man. I don't know. But when it's older stuff, when it's. Stuff that like I know they physically built everything there. Like I just look at it and go, yes, I know your controller for that ship is a PVC pipe. but somebody had to go to the home Depot and cut off a piece of PVC pipe and they weld it together next to this thing.

And they super glue this thing on. And like, even when it looks like crap, I'm just like. Somebody put a lot of time into building this thing. That's totally fake and doesn't do anything. Right.

Right. Right. That's kind of awesome. Yeah. It's totally awesome.

It's totally awesome. Cause it, it exists and, And I tell you, the one you got to see is it's a John Saxon movie. And it's called Queen of Blood. I was going to say that's. At least 28.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in so many. I love that man, but he made a lot of low budget movies. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah.

And yes, he did. Well, this is John Saxon and Dennis Hopper together. At last. Yeah, right. First time ever on the big screen.

At first. Since it's like Dennis Hopper's first movie. Finally, at first. Yeah, right, exactly. Queen of Blood.

So this guy, they got the footage from a Soviet space movie and then used all the effects shots, kind of like those knockoff Indian Star Wars, Turkish Star Wars or something. I've heard the story of this movie. I don't remember if I sat down and watched it. But yeah, I do remember they just sort of took someone else's movie. Let's shoot some scenes for it.

Right. Right. And it's, it's pretty terrible, but it's got the effect shots from, I guess, you know, uh, Soviet Russia. I guess there was a lot of pressure to be awesome. So they're amazing.

Right. But they are like effect shots. It's not like stuff they actually shot in space. Cause they were also doing that too. Right.

Right. Right. Ah, we lost another one. Um, but, uh, But yeah, no, the effect shots are amazing. Dennis Hopper is really funny because you can tell he doesn't even know he's in a movie.

He's on so many drugs, even then. Even then. He was just like, hey man, I don't know where I am right now, but this shit looks crazy. I guess I'm supposed to like be hitting on this green woman. Anyway, it's a throwaway movie, but if you want amazing handmade effects, this thing really was incredible.

That's a recommendation, but that was, yeah. A lot of those ones from that time period, that's the ones I'm always so impressed with. Cause I'm like, yes, I know it's not real. Yeah. Yeah.

Look how many things they built for this. Not real nonsense. It just, I think more people should get together and dedicate themselves to doing nonsense because then you're not really heard. That's kind of like what the movie industry was. Let's get this whole population together.

Let's keep them from, you know, committing crimes and robberies. We're just going to put them all in this little like fake universe so they can keep themselves busy making nonsense. So that's the working end of it. And then you're also like then after the fact, we can just get them together in a dark room and they'll be there. For like two hours, not destroying things or hurting each other.

Like they'll just sit there and be quiet and calm. And that's like the system as a whole is just like a just like an overwhelmed parent. They're like, just give me two hours of peace. Just please. Just sit still and stop doing stupid things for like two hours.

That's all I want. Because if you give these hominids too much time on their hands, they're going to start fighting with each other, picking each other apart. And we do. And we do. Let's make some nonsense to distract them.

And that's what brings us here today. Nonsense. That's at least distracting the two of us. There we go. I don't know if anybody else out there is going to go along with this nonsense, but by the time we're done, we're both going to be.

Thrilled with it, I'm sure. I agree. I agree. This is exactly what we need to be doing. And so, yeah, not only the creation and viewing of movies is a huge distraction of nonsense, but then you know, you're not really, you haven't really seen anything until you've discussed it on a podcast.

I don't think it counts personally. It doesn't until you've digested and spoken about it. It's kind of like after you see a movie, you know, I wait to read any reviews until I see it. And then I go through who agreed with me, you know, who, who saw what I saw, you know, start sifting through the documentation. That is a special level of enjoyment.

Yes. I was, because if you remember, Not to change genres. But we did three full lengthy episodes on the rebooting of Halloween. Oh, yeah. And we had a lot of things. to say in the old horror club.

And then randomly, like a week or so ago, I was just like finding something on YouTube to kill a few minutes while I was doing something just to distract me to hear talking, which is most of my days now. Just someone else talking in my head to keep the voices quiet. So I was doing that. And quite often I bring up the pitch meetings. I am thoroughly entertained by those anyway.

You're right. Oh my God. Like I went through. Those last three and like they get better. Like the first one is just like enough of the, but wait, we already did.

There's already two movies with that title. You're going to call it. So like it starts with the basic stuff, but because the stories themselves get so ridiculous as the sequels go on, like I was about to injure myself. laughing at two and three oh god and and the reason it was hitting me so hard he's like no no we talked about that no we talked about that too like he was hitting all the. Points of the stuff that we specifically made. Fun of and i was like there's just a level of appreciation that's so much more when you're like but yes i also thought that was stupid you know yeah yeah yeah i'm telling you No, no, totally.

And then when, you know, when you read it from a reviewer, you know, you go like, Oh good. Somebody, I wasn't just crazy, you know, that was bugging somebody else, you know? Yeah. Yeah. No, those Halloween movies, those are the first one's got some moments, but those are garbage.

And, and, and part two is probably, we probably talked about this last time. Cause it was like, I mean, it's, it's wrong to get this up, but I think it's like a, laugh riot classic. I mean, it kind of, that's the thing. Like, I'm like, these are not good as Halloween movies, but as entertainment. Yeah.

They're so insane. Yeah. It's weird to see such train wrecks shot so well and so much, slick production and a list talent. Like you're bringing in great actors. Like you're, you're putting it on the screen visually effects wise, everything's there.

And then you get to the story and you're like, what are we doing? I don't, I mean, people have, you know, people have secret lives, but Danny McBride being, uh, again, the guys who did pineapple express to take over the Halloween franchise, uh, It's just a really weird. See, if you went back in time and told yourself that, you'd be like, shut up. Right. No way.

It's almost like Jordan Peele. Uh, like came in a horror master, right? Right. He's a comedy guy, but now he's a horror master. It was like, Ooh, who else can we get?

Who does comedy that might have secret are latent abilities and, um, you know, Danny McBride, let's go carrot top. Who else? Don't invite it. Next thing you know, they'll be giving him the Ninja turtles. Oh, oh no wait that's a different comedy guy I mean at least they are comedy but what a weird turn there too of like let's take a recognizable dude and give him this other thing.

That's really sort of successful. Because it doesn't ever really go away but at the same time there hasn't been a fun movie that anybody liked in about 25 years so like it's weird that they keep hammering away at that turtles idea because it's just I guess it just mints money and toys. For It does. That's their takeaway. It's like, we got to keep this thing going.

Then we keep selling toys. No matter how many terrible movies we make, we keep selling toys. It worked for George. It worked for us. You know, we can keep making money.

That's all we want. Well, it's, and it's really, it's just, it's not, it's not toys for children. It's, it's toys for the perpetual children that grew up on the first time. That's right. That's right.

I saw somebody. poses up that yeah i bring in six figures a month you know but it was like star wars. Figures okay that's only funny because it's true right right as someone who buys a lot of crap they don't need i yeah i get it i try to back off on the toys but i find new ridiculous things to oh i should start collecting that should you really yeah i think you should Yeah, I mean, I read this book, Paperbacks from Hell, which is just, you know, about the paperback horror novels from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. You know? And you, I don't know, do you remember going to, like, Eckerd Drugs or whatever drugstore was in your area, and you'd go in, and they had, like, you know, the giant racks of paperbacks, and, you know... say what you.

Gotta have the spinner racks the spinner racks. Of the of the yeah the the pocket paperbacks you know and everything and the and the artwork was always so like oh my god. That was what won me over i you know as you well know i'm illiterate so i didn't bother grabbing them to read but i was so fascinated with the artwork on all of those horror books and eventually i got into the sci-fi ones too but the horror books were just from the get-go were just. Amazing amazing amazing i did like uh So yeah, I read that. So I got this whole list of things that I'm going like, Conkle, you do not need to start hitting used bookstores and just collecting these things.

You don't need to. A, the print's so small, you can't even read them anyway. There's your problem. But you have to be careful because that's a slippery slope. Yeah.

As I well know, not personally, but a certain member of this crew will say is a. Hardcore book nerd and Yeah, kind of always was. But like in the last, I don't know, eight years or so, it hit like this new it hit an extra gear that I didn't think we knew was there. And like, essentially now I rarely even go over there. I just see photos, photos from inside the house.

And I'm just like, that's just a library. Like you're just living in a library now, which is still kind of awesome. I mean, I'd live at a library and I don't know how to read, but there's still people. To hang out in, you know? So yeah, I'm getting that bad with the movies.

I keep, but I go the other way because I, I went for a while there and I quit buying. Stuff because a, I was poor. And like, and at one point I was in like. A relationship that, you know, so you like are distracted with other things, like having a life with someone. Well, that went away a long time ago.

And I'm assuming never coming back. So now in that meantime, movies have gone down to like giveaway prices. Yeah. For some of them. Yeah.

So I keep running into stuff that I'm like, Oh, I meant to watch that. Oh, I haven't seen that in years. Oh. And for like, you know, a buck on DVD these days, like you can pick up all these things. Yeah.

Yeah. So I keep, so now I'm back into like cramming. Okay. Where can I put this stack of movies that I haven't got around to watch yet? And like, so I'm back in the physical media world more than I've been for a long time because now it's so cheap. but then it's the other side of the deal.

Cause then I also find like the special edition collectors, Blu-rays that aren't super cheap. And I'm like, Oh, but I need that obviously. And then I spend too much on that too. So no, no, too many things. I had to go on a sabbatical.

I did also stop, uh, sell buying DVDs like long time ago. And actually it sold all my DVDs at one point. That's crazy talk. Yeah, I know. I'm stupid, but, uh, desperate times, desperate measures.

I got 25 cents for this one. Just trying to make your monthly nut. All those DVDs went away at one point. Anyway, it all went away and then just in the pandemic, at some point, somebody gave me a projector and then. Now you're even more fancy and high-tech.

Yeah. Well, I'm telling you. So then you get a projector and I knew this was going to happen. I got a projector. And so now it's a slippery slope.

So now all your DVDs look like the ones that you didn't sell all look like crap projected. But now you got to go to Blu-ray. But then you have to. Be extra high def and then you got to get a 4K and then you got to get a 7K. I don't know.

They'll keep upgrading stuff. So you have to keep getting better stuff. Yeah. That's why I think I'm okay with, like, I don't have a fancy TV. I barely have a functioning Blu-ray player.

Like, as long as I can see it, it's fine. Right, right, right. Absolutely. And there's something nice about it being on the shelf. It's something nice about you have access to it easily, you know.

And this is going to be real tech nerd. I feel like this sounds real tech nerdy. But it's really like you do see the difference in the streaming. But mainly is my setup. I can't get.

Listen to this. I'm just going to punch myself in the face. Okay. I mean, you'll save a lot of bullies trouble. So go ahead.

All right. Look, look, when I stream and it's probably just my system, I can't get. Oh, my gosh. I'm just going to punch myself in the face right now. All right.

I can't get 5.1 surround sound on streaming. I can only get stereo. And so my Blu-rays, they have 5.1. So it's more. I don't know how.

Ow, my face. Ow, my face. I don't know how you're living. I mean, if you want to call that living. Yeah.

Stereo picture. Oh, my God. No. Stereo sound. I must be immersed, Brian.

Listen, Brian, you don't understand. I must be immersed in the experience. See, I recently a couple of times gone the other way when I just something will strike me as like, oh. I want to watch that movie. And it won't be one of the 4,000 sitting over there that I haven't gotten around to watching.

I will be like, oh, but I want to watch that. And then I'm like, I'm too much of a bastard to rent stuff sometimes. So I'm like, is it on YouTube? Is it just on YouTube? Because I'll fully give you money for like a physical copy.

But renting a streaming just bugs the hell out of me. So I'm like, can I just, I'm already paying for too many services. Why is it not on these? Just show up for free somewhere. So at least twice lately, I've found something and I'm like, okay, well, here it is on YouTube or whatever.

And I'm like, wow, this is arguably the worst. Visual presentation of something I have ever seen. But at that point, I'm already like, but I did want to see it. And it's on right now. Yes.

And so I'll sit there and every five minutes I'll go, oh man, this is terrible. I really need to stop, but I want to finish watching. So I watched the entire full length movie on what is way worse than a VHS quality picture. Like it looks like garbage and I still will finish the movie. No, I, there is a charm to it when you're watching that.

And this isn't charming. It's just annoying. It reminds you of watching movies on super station. or on 36, 36 was our, I don't know. We had 46, 36 and super station 17. We had better cable than that.

Even back in the old days, it didn't look this bad. It's probably gravity. Brian, I've got a question for you. Okay. This is, this is my last YouTube movie I watched and I didn't put it on my letterbox account.

So I don't know how is I'm even remembering that I watched this. Okay. Um, about a week ago two weeks ago uh walking down the street uh my because we were talking about how we went to new york when we went when my wife and i went in our 20s we navigated everything fine when we went you know in 2019 in our mid-40s. We had a different experience It's a whole different world. There was a point in New York where we got so swallowed up by the subway system.

I was almost ready to give up and just say like, I think we live in the subways now. Back to the Ninja Turtles. Right. I was like, all right, this is like a Clive Barker ish maze. There was a midnight meat train running.

There's like a midnight meat train mixed with like a, like a, like a like a doctor strange type you know architecture morphing into hallways and were you running up walls at some point at some point i was david bowie was walking around you know. There's no bad side to any of this what are you talking about i was like god put on some pants bowie come. On uh or not or not. Um and uh so so we were walking around And I was just going like, I'm getting swallowed by the subway. I think this is our new home.

I will be the rat catcher and you will be, you know, I don't know. Splinter. Splinter. And then you can have a rat and the rat catcher. There we go.

A slice of pizza. Yeah. Oh man, it's fantastic. I was planning my new life down there. Anyway, so we were talking about that experience.

And then she goes, I remember this movie called, that creeped me out as a kid about these people trapped in a subway station. And they're trying to get out of the subway station after like some, some disaster underneath, you know? And, and I can only hope it's some portion of daylight. I was thinking daylight, right? I was thinking Stallone, the classic Stallone, Stallone.

Movie, man. Absolutely. Absolutely. high point of Stallone's career definitely. I like that movie way more than most I like that movie too. Because I'm a Poseidon adventure guy so I'm like it's just Poseidon adventure with Rocky in it this is great.

It's that CG stuff where they were kind of making disaster movies were kind of making a comeback you know in the. Midnight they were trying they didn't work most of the time no no but they were trying boy did they try and and so yeah so I was thinking it was daylight no she goes like no I was like seven or eight I go like Brian, I had not thought of this movie since I was probably six years old. Okay. And it popped into my head that I knew exactly the movie she was talking about. And I was going like, holy cow.

This was one of the earliest movie memories I have, you know, of seeing this movie. And I go like, I know what movie you're talking about. And it's got, anyway, I go like, but how will I ever find it? We don't know the name. All right.

Five seconds. Old people talking about technology. Five seconds into it, go into a Google search. I find it. 20 seconds later, I find it on YouTube.

And then, you know, you're. Standing lost in the subway watching it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no kidding. So we're Anyway, so yeah, the New York trip was years ago, but that reminded her of this movie.

That triggered this repressed memory of the movie in my head that I hadn't thought about. We go online, we find it on YouTube, and we watch it. It's called Slow Walk to Sunlight. I think that's what it's called. And it's got James Brolin.

It's a made-for-TV movie. This doesn't sound like Walk to Remember at all. Never mind. That's my favorite movie. Yeah, it's a disaster movie called Slow Walk to Sunset.

That sounds like a On Golden Pond type thing. But Slow, let me just type this, Slow Walk to. Sounds like a 70s singer-songwriter album. Yeah, exactly. No, totally, totally.

A little acoustic guitar going. Slow Walking, I'm mangling this. Anyway, I just did a quick search for it. it's i'm not seeing it come up so it. Doesn't exist it's you are totally. Making this entire story is like hallucination and lies um.

That's not the first time you've run into. That right right anyway it's kind of like a it's it's got james brolin it's it's really really cool it's very 70s But I guess it was during the disaster movie cycle. So they kind of like did one for the TV movie of the week. You know, I think they tried a few of those over the years. Yeah.

Yeah. But you're kind of amazed by because now when I think TV movie. Well, now that I think TV movie, that's every movie. But yeah, pretty much. But when you think TV movie, you're thinking like, you know, Hallmark type style.

I was going to say, I got to one of those lately. So let's not go down that road to tell you about that. Now, please do. Please do. Because I'll just say that this slow walk to sunset or sunlight or whatever it was called.

We found it. It was amazing and very seventies and very well produced. And it's only like 67 minutes long. So anyway, tell me about. Your, well, first my question is which disaster are they leaning into or what selection of multiple disasters?

Yeah. Well, okay. So it's an earthquake movie. Nice. All right.

So they're on the subway and there's a big earthquake and everything goes off the tracks. So they, to, to, to justify the low budget of the movie. Cause there's only about seven people on the train. All right. They're saying this is Sunday morning under wall street.

And so there's not a lot of people out. All right. So anyway, just as a mutant creatures that live in the sewer, right? Oh man, mutant creatures. No, it's, it's pure survival.

It's it's the train goes off the track. And then James Brolin is like an off duty cop, you know, beat cop. who has to like walk every, get everybody to safety, you know? And, and it's got, you know, like a cool dialogue from the, from the air, you know? And it's really interesting to see like how race relations were portrayed in the movie and, and in like the, the view of crime, like the lady says, Oh, I've got this whistle. So if anybody tries to attack us on the subway, I'll just blow this whistle.

And, That was a thing back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going like, wow. Yeah.

So it was a cool, like little time capsule, but it does have like this real mood. And there's like these, uh, Matt painting shots of like, uh, a collapsed, uh, subway, you know, that are really well done. And then the movies just kind of got like this open ending, uh, nebulous ending to it. That that's a little, little, uh, adventurous for a TV movie. Uh, so yeah, They used.

To do that kind of stuff. Now I feel like they don't ever pull that weird swinging for the fences finale on some of these weird things. No, no. This was actually like... I mean, it was the era of Duel, so I think they were actually trying at the time to make good things.

But yeah, I don't know. It's a high recommendation. It's only 67 minutes, so you can get it back to your life. Yeah. Know, that appeals to you, but, but no, tell me about your TV movie.

First off, this occurred. Well, again, we're, we're sidetracked among sidetracks, but this occurred to me lately as there were rerunning the car and I'm watching James Brolin. And I'm like, you know, as big as he ever was, do you think he's bitter that his son is a bigger star? Cause now when people think Roland, they're going to think of his son. Right.

And I was like, he's just, yeah. Yeah. He kind of got eclipsed. You know, he never got that a list, a list, a list, you know. Josh started off as a kid actor and then like, he grew up and then became like a legitimately good actor.

And then like, so they started putting them in stuff. And then of course he gets in his tent pole releases, but like, He just became a bigger star. And yeah, so kind of overtook. The Brolin name. And do you think, you know, as proud of his son as he must be, to some extent, he's still an actor.

He's still got a little ego. He's got to be like, dude, what are you doing? Right. I should have totally like Estevez as you and give you a different name so you could go be popular with some, you know, use your mom's name or something. Leave me out of this.

That's right. That's right. Yeah, totally. You're totally diluting my brand, son. I put out very important pieces of work, like the car, that thing where I was stuck in a sewer somewhere.

And my cameo in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Which is maybe the pinnacle of his career. Like, I don't know if you can get a better moment than that. I guess we shouldn't get lost down the Pee Wee Road. Right, or the James Brolin Road.

Well, there's only so far you can go with the James Brolin. Pee Wee is a whole other plateau. Okay, yeah, hold Pee Wee Herman. James Brolin in Amityville Heart looking into the fire and going, I'm coming apart! Great stuff.

And I've never seen the movie, but the poster to Night of the Jugular where it's like a newspaper being ripped open as crazy looking James Brolin. I might get the, I might have the wrong title again, but he's like ripping through. He's got to hold a knife. It looks like a crazy 1970s, big beard, crazy hair, James Brolin at that. that to me looks like the greatest movie ever made, but. I haven't seen it.

Again, as someone who used to make most of their decisions based on the video box. Art, you know, absolutely. Old school one sheets are amazing. And I would, I would fall for that anytime, but absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, like, uh, we're one of the dumb groups. I like thing are just newspaper ads from, uh, movie, uh, newspaper ads for movies from, you know, all these different decades.

Oh yeah. Like, That really was like a big deal. People really don't know. Or for me, it was a big deal looking through the movie section and seeing the artwork. I mean, that was even gone by the 90s because I remember.

Being in the video store looking at the video box art for the newer stuff that was coming out when it just became the heads Photoshopped next to each other. And I was like, this is horrible. Like, why do they keep doing this? And like, everybody hated them, but I guess it was just quick and easy. So they just stuck with it because...

At least 50% of the time, that's what they did. They'd redo, even if it had a good one sheet, originally, they would redo it and just throw some floating heads on the front of a VHS box and be like, here you go, buy this. It was so infuriating. Oh, no, no, totally, totally. And that's why buying physical media now, I think they're mainly... appealing to the hardcore movie nerds so the artwork is so much better and if you don't like the artwork and a lot this one company you can flip the flip the sleeve and get the actual poster.

I think a couple of them started doing that giving you alternate versions i'm like that's pretty. Fun yeah you've you've heard the uh the collective cry of horror. Well, the only geeks that are still buying physical media, you got them at least give them some physical things to play with. So absolutely. Give us toys and an extra alternative box art, you know, something like that.

Something like that. Yeah. They, You're talking about movies that give away prices. My last trip to Walmart, I found Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood on Blue for five bucks. And I was going like, holy cow.

Like a two-pack version? Nope, nope. Separate. Individuals, okay. No, okay.

Five bucks for Ed. Five bucks for Ed. Okay. I've never made that connection before. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. He needs one more Ed movie, so he can have a trilogy. Anyway. I'm sure he can piece that together. The Ed Gorey story.

I mean, come on. It's like, you know, he makes a biopic about Edward Gorey. I mean, that's money in the bank. A little more fun than the Ed Gein one that I was going with. Oh my God, Tim Burton's Ed Gein would be the greatest movie ever.

Speaking about weird familial relationships. I wanted to bring this up. I'm sorry if I'm, this is okay. So Ed says her hands bought it, viewed it last night, tried to get my 11 year old to watch it with me. I thought this, she likes all that lemony stick at stuff.

She likes all that Coraline stuff. I'm going like, you know, this. Is how you won yourself back over to watching stuff because I have another generation to be like, Let's see what they think of this. I keep trying. That and the nieces and nephews are just like, get away from us.

We have things to do. They just don't even entertain the ideas of hanging out and watching a movie. I'm like, fine, whatever. It's just me sitting here by myself forcing a dog to watch movies. It's sad, really.

It's very hit and miss. They would rather... My kids would much rather watch a six hour reaction video to an anime series. My 11 year old is watching reaction videos of anime series, but the reaction is not people. There are these little cartoon anime people that don't move.

And then their little text messages pop up and they're standing around a little screen and they're watching. I'm going like, I don't understand culture. I don't understand how you're watching this. I wish you were making that up, but I know of the things I've seen, they're equally that dumb. So I'm just like, I, I know that you're not.

And that's the sad. Part. It's like gotten so many, so many layers removed from the actual experience. It's not about the, you know, I mean, I get it. Sometimes I'll, I'll listen to a podcast or watch a review.

Cause I don't really, I'm on the fence about the movie. So I'll just, I'll kind of get the gist of it from the thing. You know, if I have any interest in seeing it, I'll watch it before I do that. But anyway, so Edward Scissorhands tried to get her to watch it. She got about halfway.

Now, this is the problem is sometimes you go back and revisit things. They don't hold up. And but what I was having a good time with this movie until she basically ruined it for me forever. Oh, God. Where she said, Dad.

I didn't know this was... I thought this was going to be a horror movie, A, because you didn't prep me for what kind of. Movie this is. I thought this was going to be about... It's a fairy tale.

What are you talking about? Right. I thought this was going to be about a guy with scissor hands cutting people up and everything. That's Nightmare on Elm Street. We already have that.

We can get to that one. But this movie is a love story. Now. Dad. So this movie is a love story about a.

Dad. Dad. Dad. Dad. This movie is... this movie is about a guy falling in love with his sister.

Is that what this is about? And I'm going like, well, no, no, just living together. And well, she goes like, so they adopted him. And now he's like creeping on his sister. And I'm like, well, I don't know if it's an official adoption.

Well, I am going like, Don't say that stuff. Don't talk about that. Stop thinking things. I didn't tell you it was okay to think. And wait a minute.

And dad, she's like 16 or 17. And how old is Ed? I mean, he looks maybe 30, but you know, he's been up in that castle for how long? So, I mean, really he could be like, you know, 80 years old and he's okay. To creep on a young girl if she's a cheerleader right I mean as long as you put her in.

A cheerleader outfit it makes it. Fine socially acceptable I mean that was kind of the whole reason for Edward Scissorhands I think there was an interview well I mean not to put words in Tim Burton's mouth but like there's an interview with him at the time they're shooting it And I guess coming off of Beetlejuice and knowing what a creepy gothy kind of girl that Winona was as a kid. He's like, there's this quote of him just going, I really just wanted to see her in a cheerleader outfit. Oh, God. And I was like, come on, Timmy.

I was like, yes, you can think that, but don't say it out loud. Yeah. So, yeah, he's a weirdo, but he's a weird old guy. He's still a guy. You know, he's still a guy.

I forgave him of that. Although to me, it's the blonde hair that throws me off. Like, yes, I agree. Her and the cheerleader outfit's going to be adorable, but like, I'm so not used to that blonde hair. Like, yeah, at the time.

And even now I'm just like, no, no, that doesn't, no, that doesn't work. Like yeah it's it's it's weird it's weird to see her as a blonde yeah but but uh yeah that's so funny though even tim burton has a little bit of a vin diesel in him. Oh god don't ruin tim burton for me I still appreciate him as the weird old dude that he is. I love Tim Burton movies. I mean, not all of them.

I used to at that time love Tim Burton movies. And I've come back around. He's redeeming himself these days. It's cool. Yeah, yeah.

No, he's cool. He's cool. I mean, but watching the movie, it is... I was going like, you know, some of the things... I guess once you've seen a movie a lot, you know, it's like some of the things that you thought were subtext or actually blatant text.

Like, you know, it's kind of like, oh, the artist who can't really join in with society, but people enjoy the things that this artist makes, you know, like the snow and, you know, destined to always be an outsider. And I'm going like, all right. It's very... It's. Not subtle, but at the same time, it works because you and I were both those weirdo.

Kids that were like, finally, somebody gets me. In love with our sisters, right. I mean.... I like mine now, but not in that way. I get along with them.

Right, right. So I'm going like... So there's Clueless, which at least addresses it, but... You know, but then there's like this one and I'm going like, yeah, well, thanks. You've kind of ruined Scissorhands for me.

I know it's not there. He's officially adopted, but I'm having trouble explaining. I mean, he just was hanging out there for a while. He was just really hanging out there. I mean, it hadn't even been that long, so it's not like it was...

It'd be different if they grew up together. Then you kind of become family, but if somebody comes over to your house, you're not immediately family. You've got to be immersed in there for a couple of years at least, you know? So he's just a visiting weird dude that he may or may not hook up with. You know, he's a house guest and they do fall in love pretty quick.

I mean, there's just something, some stuff going on. At the time in that version of him. Now later I'd be like, Oh God, Johnny Depp, get away. But at the time you were like, okay, we all can see. Yeah.

Yeah. The movie has the kind of the thing where like the weird outsider comes to like a boring town and like, gets everybody jazzed up and, you know, into. Like, I will also say this occurred to me even at the time a million years ago when I first watched this movie. And at the time I love Tim Burton. I love Vincent price.

These are all amazing things, but I have to like, even at the time I'm watching it going. All right. So we're looking at the flip book here. It's like messed up, you know, basic idea for a person, uh, final version, he's all pretty and cool. Why is the middle step adding scissors to his hands?

I'm like, don't get me wrong. I understand that's the whole push of this movie. That's the gimmick. That's the reason that he's a misfit. And that's the reason we love him is because he's a misfit.

But logically, is that a good idea? Right. Is that a good idea to put razor sharp scissors unwieldy talons on the end of your I mean I get the metaphor at the end you were going to. Give him real hands so we couldn't have found a better like how about nerf hands you know nerf. Hands are way less dangerous and then.

You can still replace them with good hands like you wanted to so it just seems like a bad. Move in the middle there He was obviously on his own trip because, I mean, the man made the most complicated cookie maker on the planet. I mean, those were like sugar cookies. You know, he had like the wall of industry to create the machine. That makes your cookies.

I mean, what did what did. he do to become like so independently wealthy that he could live in a castle Dracula over suburbs, you know? So he must've had a power ball. I'm going to say power ball. Cause that's my plan when I win. I am so building a castle.

Oh, okay. And I am going to be that weird dude. Yeah. The whole town will be like, Oh God. Oh God.

Uh, we get rid of him, but he's got too much money. We can't do it. He won't go away. So I totally am aiming for that. That's my plan.

Oh yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. So anyway, he says like, finally I can get to these inventions that I'm working on and you know, he's not a bad inventor. He did create life or a mechanical man that has a heart and soul.

But yeah, it's just like he's got little quirky idiosyncrasies where he's got to put giant... Okay, if you're going to use scissor hands, I mean, use safety scissors or something like that. Yeah, get those kindergarten special ones so at least, you know, you're. Not poking eyes out and shit. Yeah.

Yeah. And them putting him on the waterbed, bad on them. What did they think was going to happen? That is. Yeah.

That is not Ed's fault, okay? If Arkin wasn't such a joy to behold, that is maybe his finest performance. And he's in a lot of good stuff. But him in that movie, he's the most lovable character ever. Dude, just make sort of the movie.

And just the right seasoning that that movie needed was that kind of like uber dad, that every dad stereotype blurred together and just Alan Arkin perfectly cast And it makes you, with his death, I mean, it makes you want to just go back and discover the things that you missed, the movies that he was in that you maybe never saw, you know? Definitely. Dead people... Yeah, so Pee Wee Herman, I'm just glad they've not mentioned the movie theater incident and all the eulogies. They brought, well, a few of them, because even on the news here, they were just like, sometimes known equally as much for his bad decisions as his show business.

I was just like, I don't know about as well. I feel like people know Pee Wee for Pee Wee even more. granted he is a figure with some problems over the years, but you know, so luckily, but, but that's the, I was kind of waiting to get into more fights with people because I brought up on a recent episode, somebody brought him up in, in negative terms and I. Was ready to throw down. Right. Right.

And then that's before I. Knew there was even another charge in the middle there that I won't get into, but also seems doctored up. So I don't know, like, everything seems blown out of proportion or I kind of wonder if people were just gunning for him because a, he became successful and became successful sort of related to kids. But like, not really. I was like, he was never for kids.

Like they gave him a kid show, even though, you know, he started in Cheech and Chong movies and like doing an adult standup show. And like, none of these things were even Tim Burton's movie is. Weird and screwed up and dark. And like, right. So no, Never did he ask to be a kid's hero, but they handed it to him.

What are you going to say? No, right. Kids responded to him though. In the beginning, it's kind of like he, it was a parody of a kid. Yeah.

He's making fun of that kind of persona in a way, but then when they, you know, when you wrap it up and hand it to him and be like, here's a whole lot of money. And freedom to do whatever you want. What are you going to not do that? Hell, are you kidding? Are you kidding?

And he did such great stuff because he did like, He brought in cartoons and animation and stop motion and like. All this other stuff into this world. And like it worked on some level that they weren't prepared for. He probably wasn't prepared for it. So, yeah, it was amazing how it just sort of gelled into this own peewee land that like kids responded to.

And as they grew up, they continued to much like the Edward Scissorhands thing. all i've seen on my feed this last week and a half or more it's just every day and like it doesn't stop there's still people throwing out tributes and every one of them starts off. Like look i was a weird kid. Yeah and i you know i have nobody seemed to get me and i felt like i was alone and i first saw peewee and things kicked in and i was like he's a weirdo and i'm a weirdo and like i feel like we've got a a bond. And like, I feel like there's other people out there, so I'm not alone. So it's like, it is that same thing of like just.

Being kind of a weirdo and then finding out, you know, there's more to that. And there's other people out there that are like you. And I don't know, that's so much of what I've seen lately in the tributes. And that's the part you have to kind of like be amazed by how much people like we're, we're, taken with him for that same reason of like, he's just not a normal dude. And that's what we love about him.

You know, I agree. I agree. I, I, I will admit, I appreciate him more as an adult than I did as a kid. I did find, um, the persona, uh, don't throw down. Uh, I found him like a little grading as a kid.

Well, again, it became sort of a one note thing. It's like, here's my kid persona. And then like, once again, it worked perfect in that movie. Like it was meant, it was meant to be in its full realization in Huey's big adventure. And it works like throughout that movie.

It's still solid. It's fun. It's goofy. But then you're like, okay, now we're going to give you seasons of a television show. And you're like, but, That's all he does.

Right, right, right. So he had to come up with other stuff to throw in the show because it's like, all I do is this goofy voice and laugh and act like a goofball. But like, you know, there's only so much you can do with that. So, yeah, I agree. Like, again, I think he works better as a weird, you know, offshoot thing.

Yeah. But, you know, what worked on the TV worked. Yeah. But it was usually built around the Peewee character, not because of the Peewee character. Right.

Well, and it is a singular, I will say, even if I found a grading as a kid, it is a very singular, as you're saying, universe as a singular universe, kind of like a distillation and amplification of kid television shows. So it's kind of a parody while also being a real thing. And it's got, I guess what you would say, he's a weirdo, but he's got taste. I mean, that was always true. Again, the things that he brought in were so cool.

And we, as those little kids at the time, and even younger, were just like, oh, this is the kind of stuff that I like. I do like this animation. I do like this music he's playing. All this other stuff he brought in was probably his personal taste. And these were the more refined things he could add to the show.

Meanwhile, he still had to do the goofy voice and wear the outfit. So it's like, I think he liked. the other aspects he brought to the show more than his own PB character. Probably as time. I would imagine. I would imagine.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was his access to give him the power to be able to make something that was uniquely him. And, and so, yes, about being a weird spastic kid, you know, who, but who is, who is okay with themselves and not feeling like they're inferior and almost like going like, Hey, you don't get me. That's your problem is very empowering for a kid when, and I'm thinking about the other role models that we had and not saying Beware was a role model, but I mean.

He was kind of like in a way saying like, it's okay. Don't apologize. All these kids were attracted to his little world and like the things that he brought into it, they responded to. So it's like, whether or not he personally was a role model, but like the things that he opened. Yeah.

The things he opened their eyes to were like things that brought them together and made them sort of the culture that they became moving forward. Right. Right. If, I mean, if you weren't like, because I'm thinking like the other eighties icons kind of like, like Rambo or GI Joe or Arnold Schwarzenegger or something where you just go like, I know, I've been to PE class. I'm never going to be Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I'm never going to be Sylvester Stallone. These are like the worst parts of my day. And, you know, I don't know. I don't have sports stars that I admire. But there's this weird guy.

I can be like that peewee. But I'm kind of, you know, Spaz is kind of like a pet name of mine. That is my brand. I can be as fast, don't you worry. Dude, without even trying, all right?

So. I just need a suit, is what you're telling me. I am almost a star. That's all I need, right? Yeah, yeah, so I get it.

I mean, I get it, you know? And so, yeah, so, you know, but... very talented. Yeah. A lot of people who are sensitive and weird and talented make bad decisions. I mean, everybody makes bad decisions.

It's just a shame when you're a celebrity, every bad decision you make is amplified on the front page of the news. And people love to tear that tear into that, but you know, We all have things that we don't want on the front page of the news. Leave Pee Wee alone. And I feel like, especially then, the theater incident, I'm like, were they just gunning for him? Because who else in that theater got arrested that day?

There was probably a senator. I'm sure there's tons of weird dudes sitting there doing the same thing. That's what that place was for. I mean, look, it was just a dark time. That's the reason you went there.

I'm like, there's nothing wrong with the concept, more or less. Just not necessarily in public. But to me, you're not in public there. You're in a place. People freak out because he was around kids.

And I'm like, not in there. If you brought your kids to the adult theater, that's on you. You're a bad parent. It's not like a Michael Jackson incident. It's just like he was just another hominid trying to figure out.

I'm going to work in hominid several times here. He was just another hominid. out there, you know, trying to get through his day. Again, whether it was a good decision, probably not. But at the same time, who cares? He was just a regular old dude.

Like every other weirdo in that theater, he should be allowed to do what everybody else does. But he wasn't because he. Was a celebrity and they Somebody, I feel again, I feel like you wronged somebody and they were just like, oh, oh, no, I know. I know your lifestyle. I got you.

I just got away for the right opportunity. So somebody knew what they were doing. We love we love. I mean, it's just, you know, people in general, we love bringing them up and tearing them down. It's fun.

It's like you wouldn't want to watch a movie. about like a biopic movie where there wasn't the tear down fall apart. I mean, that's the, and then the redemption. You have to have the dark turn at the commercial break on your VH1 behind the scenes. Behind the music and then the dark times. Yes.

We're going to get to heroin. Okay. Everybody wants you to. Get, hurry up and get to the cocaine problem. We're getting there.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, you know, every, you know it's it's just something it's drama it's human drama we like to see these feudal lords fall from from power you know and uh but so that happened to him but he he rebounded give people have amnesia so you know give it over people forget forgive whatever you know. They definitely did as time went on with him i i noticed like again almost nobody ever once in a while somebody make a smart ass comment in the comment section but right for the most part like it was just such an outpouring of, you. Know, admiration and love.

And yeah. But at the same time, I'm like thinking about him, like getting just raked over the coals back in the day. Think about how far back. That's why I said somebody was gunning for him because you could get away with just about anything back then. Like they're, Nobody was in there with a cell phone taking videos.

Like nobody was texting. Hey, guess you just went in the portal. Right. Right. So think about what everybody has to go through now.

Right. Stupid media world. We live in like, yeah. Can you imagine? It's like the police state.

It's like, it really is. You know, especially the celebrities, you know, I mean, I'm not saying, oh, poor celebrities, you know, but I'm just saying like, you know, it would suck. to like walk out and have people videotaping you all day, you know, every moment, every moment. When do you pick your nose? You know, you just have to have a closet in your house somewhere. Yeah.

Yeah. You kind of have to have a, uh, the altered States chamber just so you can like. I need a few moments to myself to do some horrible things that need to be done. Leave me alone. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. That happened to Fred Ward too. And you're going like Fred Ward. Anyway, but whatever.

I mean, that was the biggest, the, the, the beloved Plaza theater here in Atlanta, you know, that we walked by when you visited. I remember it was very nice. Yeah. Yeah. That was like a porn theater for like, you know, 20 years or something.

It's just, you know, now we can, now they can show stuff, you know. I mean that, that became what kept those theaters alive for a long time. Now, most of the ones here all closed down anyway, but in their final days. A lot of them became porn theaters because that was the last. And that's why, like, again, we're putting it in perspective of the time.

That's why people went there to do that. Cause you couldn't do it at all. You, you weren't watching it on V. Well, at that point, at least you could watch it on VHS. Maybe if you could get ahold of one, but even then.

It wasn't like simple and easy to do now. Within 12 seconds, I can be watching porn right here as I'm talking to you on the phone. I'm not as far as you know. I'm not doing that right. But it's just so simple that like.

You can be at your, on your phone at your job and be like, huh, you know what? I think I want to watch some porn right now. And you do. And like, it's just such a weird world that we live in versus just 30 years ago. Like nothing like that.

Like totally different experience. Just being alive was a totally different experience. Yeah. Just be a, you don't have to worry about police. Right.

All right, buddy. Tell it to the judge. Nightstick. They found my stash of Playboys. It's pretty much all you had back then.

Right, right. Now you have access to every evil the universe has ever made. Within moments, you can bring it up on your computer. It's a different world. I'm just waiting for my kid to come to me and say, Dad, I'm really into amputee dwarves.

You know? And you're like, ah, I'm like, why do you even know about amputee dwarves? Oh, you know, I found your videos. I learned it from watching you. You're not supposed to watch me.

I mean, you can borrow the videos if you want, but wait till I leave the room. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So anyway, so, so yeah, so it's just such a weird, different time, you know? And, uh, but anyway, Paul Rubens, uh, he may, Rest in peace, Paul Rubens.

He was a trailblazer. I mean, yeah, and I i give him credit for a comedian that did not conform right he found his weird thing and went yep nope i'm gonna keep doing my weird thing and like can't even when he changed gears and did other stuff like yeah it was always a weird different thing like it just yeah it was what he did. And eventually sometimes the world would agree with him. And other times I'd just be like, Nope, you are right. You're a weird guy, you know?

So what are you going to do? Pretty much dude. Pretty much. Yeah. RIP Paul Rubens, you know, I mean, you know, it's just, uh, there will be, uh, discarded, uh, Paul Rubens, uh, uh, plastic dolls in landfills for millennia to come.

And one day the aliens will land and find it. It was like this and put it on a spaceship and you know, people will be forever. What the hell was wrong with these people? Blur, blah, blah. You know?

Well, I think it'll be a while. Cause that's what I was thinking. As soon as it happened, I was like, Oh, those toys are going to go up so much. Every dork that sat on that boxed version of him that they bought in 19-whatever. They just shot up in value.

Pretty much, man. Pretty much an artifact of a different time and different space. This reminds me of the Planet of the Apes scene where it's like Dr. Zaius with an ape makeup doll that talks. I don't know.

I don't know. Let's ask the lawgiver. Right, right, right. Go to the sayer of monkey laws and see what he says to us. Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh. So speaking of a different time, I think when we threw out this concept, one of the things was just the world upon us and the changes in the industry that are going on that we were like, ah, odds are we'll just get on that tangent and go on for an hour or so. Sure. Did you want to address any of the things going on right about now? You know, you know, Brian, you know, the more I thought about it, I don't have very many deep thoughts about it.

All right. I mean, I don't know if we have deep thoughts, but we have a lot to say. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we could talk about it. I mean, I would just I guess I guess it's me over.

All right. You got to understand there's things that are happening and then there are things that are I just think are happening because I don't get out much. And so I'm just filling in the blanks with some hallucination. All right. So, you know, their original concept was, you know, the death of movies or something, which.

I already argued with as soon as you brought it up. I was like, right. That's not how I'm looking at it. But whatever. We'll argue.

Let's go. Honestly, honestly. Well, I guess it's just movies being special or being something where I mean, there's probably more movies being created now than ever. When I drive by the local movie theater on a Friday or Saturday night, it is usually packed. What's a movie theater?

Right, right. But see, then there's that side. Tell us, Grandpa. Tell us more about this fictional place you used to go to. Right.

So there's the concept where movie theaters used to be like a sacred space, right? And so I think because of just movies being so everywhere and what a movie is has been so diluted as in Now a movie is really a limited series, like a mini series event. Like V, you know, everything, every movie is a V. Oh, if only every movie could be V. V, oh, the dream.

Mark Singer everywhere, look. The dream, the dream. You know, lizard people eating hamsters. Diana with her face ripped off. Oh man, so good, so good, so good.

But, you know, so what a movie is a movie, you know, and do people even care about movies anymore? I mean, that's what, I guess I'm just seeing, I just know if my parents said, hey, we get to go see a movie. Do you want to go see a movie? It was like a big deal. And if I go to my kids and say, hey, do you want to go see a movie?

They go like, meh, movie, schmovie. I have to. Sit still and I can't get on my phone and I can't. Be watching something else at the same time I'm watching it. Yeah, because I make my kids turn off their phones if I take them.

I go like, give me your phone. It drives me crazy if they check their phones. I mean, movie Nazi. God, Dad. You're the worst.

That's right. I'm going like, you haven't seen a movie until you've talked about it on a podcast. You haven't seen a movie unless I've texted through the entire thing. My thoughts every moment that I'm having watching the movie. I'm tweeting the movie.

I mean, that is its own experience. It's fine. Except what's a tweet? Are you talking about x. Yeah no you're not because nobody's gonna call it that it's such a weirdo.

It's so like it's so basic to say like we're gonna rebrand this and it's gonna be awesome and what we could call it we could call it x. First of all man nobody's cared about that thing in like 10 years it's like there's a handful of people that still have their little groups that they like to argue on there but they still don't like care about. It no nobody no nobody i know no look there's people who understand twitter they are i think uh uh geniuses and like technological gods that they got to figure out how to make that work for them because for me it just felt like spam coming out. Yeah i mean i just post the link there and leave it at that i'm like yeah i don't like i don't even interact with people on there anymore like at least The old person that I am, Facebook is good for that.

Well, I can talk to. My old people, friends, like your message back and forth. And it still functions as much as I don't really like Facebook. It's still like the most functional version of like social interaction out there. That's right.

But like the other ones are all just so useless and nobody even interacts. And like, I like posting. my ridiculous pictures on Instagram, but does anybody give a rat's ass? No, nobody cares. It goes out to a billion people around the world and. I get three likes and I'm like, woohoo, this makes it all worthwhile.

Three? Wow, I wish I could get three likes. I know, that's the thing. That's a good day if I get the three. I might as well be in my mind.

So I'm just like, it doesn't work that way. Like, so. There are some people that have figured out their own magical algorithm and know how to reach people, but. For the most part, it doesn't really work like that for a lot of people. At best, you.

Just message your friend and be like, hey, did you see that thing on TV yesterday? And they're like, what's TV? The concept was just like, hey, people don't seem to. And I feel. Like you know, a Vatican one Catholic talking about, oh, that Vatican two, where we're not talking Latin and the masses anymore, you know, is just the end of all spirituality.

If you're going to do the rest of this in Latin, we're in trouble. I'm barely speaking. Barely. I'm with you. So, so I feel like it's like, there's no reverence anymore.

There's no, it's not a special thing anymore. Everybody's like, is like a salad bar Catholic. You know, they just take, They don't want to watch. They don't want to go through the experience. They want to see a distilled down reaction video of somebody.

They don't want to experience it themselves. They want to experience through some personality commenting about it because then they'll know how to react to it. Exactly. It's almost like. The criticisms that John Williams used to have, like, you know, telegraphing every emotional.

Beat that you should be feeling, you know. Even my 15-year-old son goes like, oh my gosh, will John Williams just back off a little bit? No, he will not. He's an old man and he knows how to do things. That's right.

You will think what John Williams tells you to think. And so that's sort of like when I get a little go like, I go like, yeah, they don't want to, you know, they've got to experience it through this one lens of this one guy who's going to tell them how ridiculous it is without them actually seeing it and making that comment on their own. And then, you know, but so anyway, it's not, it's, it's just me being stupid. All right. And it's just me being like, they're enjoying it in a different way than I did.

And, you know, it's just shows you how quick, The world changes around you. And every day you're becoming more and more irrelevant. And so, you know, you just got to kind of like huddle together with like other people of your generation and just become more and more out of date, you know, because, you know, my daughter mentioned the fact that they're called movies is like sounds hopelessly outdated. And they're called movies. They're like called talkies.

I like those things. They are talkies, by the way. Talkies. They've got the move-in picture show. It sounds like some kind of, I don't know.

It's interesting, though. I read how things are different now, how it used to be something. I know it's just me being out of touch with what's happening. I mean, I know. Disclaimer.

To some extent, but in a way, you're right. Like, I feel like I can, I can, as time's gone on being the old man I am, I can still rant, but I'm also not your typical old man because I still like pay attention to what's going on. to some extent in my weird filtered through my old man way. So I don't pretend like I'm hip, but I still try to at least pay attention to new things. Right. So like I end up sort of straddling both.

I'm like, yes, I agree. It's not the way it used to be at all. Right. And most people really don't give it that level of reverence anymore. Like, Even if they like something, they liked it.

And five minutes later, they've moved on and they've watched a new thing on TikTok since then. Right, right, right. There is a big shift in just like the culture as it goes from one generation to the next and now several down. It's like several generations of filtering through this stuff. But at the same time, I've changed as a person too enough that like sometimes I'm like, Just fine being with the wave of people now that are also like, but I don't.

Really want to go. So I can be the old lazy bastard that I am and be like, okay, but this thing right here that I have in the stack of 400 Blu-rays over here that I can't afford to keep buying. If I can watch that here, I can watch it whenever the hell I want. Cause that's the thing. It's like, we were talking about new stuff that was coming out and I'm like, except I haven't seen any of these movies.

We just, you know, list it off. And then you're like, well, we're a part of the problem. Right. Right. Which I was like, to some extent.

But at the same time, I'm like, I'm still enjoying movies. Yeah. But I'm doing it at my own pace, in my own place, in my own convenience. Like I'm enjoying all of the convenient parts of being able to do it when and wherever the hell you want. But yet when I do it, I still like turn everything.

Well, when I'm actually paying attention to me like TV, I don't treat that way. Like TV, I am working. On something else. I've got something else going on in the room. I'm doing six things.

And like, I just look up every once in a while. Like, ah, there's that thing on TV, whatever. So like, I don't have any real reverence for it unless it is a series. And then I do treat it kind of like a movie and I stop what I'm doing and pay attention. But normal broadcast crap.

Like it's rare that I pay attention to almost at all, but movies I treat as a separate special thing. So it's like, okay, I'm stopping what I'm doing. I'm off the laptop. I'm off my phone. I'm turning out the light half the time.

Like, right. Like, focusing on the movies but i'm doing it when i want and i'm doing it without other weirdos next to me because that's the thing the last few times i've went. I'm like i don't really want to sit this close to this weird person. Dude ain't that the truth ain't. That the truth i didn't used to have that problem but i think you know covid sitting around for years by myself now i'm just like i'm really close to this person i don't know.

I think the last time we talked, we said, yeah, I think people are different. Oh, I don't have to be around people all day. That's true. I can do it when I want to now, but I kind of like certain aspects of the lock-in. But here's the problem.

Here's the problem. All right. So, yes. I'm not going to get into it. But it's I get into it here.

You know, feel free to. That's I'm not going to get into it because, you know, I get into something in detail on a podcast. But it just sounds ridiculous. Like I'm a crazy person. But that's what podcaster for.

OK. Crazy people to have a voice. Right. OK. OK.

So anyway, it's nothing it. thank god it's gone i don't even remember what i was going to say but uh so good good i've spared the listeners. There's another ramble coming just. Wait yeah yeah we'll bubble back up um but uh but no no no no so movies uh and just it's it's nothing new but my uh uh very modest uh system at home which kind of looks like a sheet on a, on a wall, you know, and I got this projector, you know? Okay. So, so yeah, we've, we, we, we've sunk probably what you would have spent, you know, going to the movies for a year into a home system.

And so the quality and the sound are, are so good. And you've always got your best seat and you've got an unlimited supply of fresh coffee that, that you picked out. They won't give you at the theater, by the way. And if you, you know, sometimes you go to the movie theater and say like, Hey, can I have a cup of coffee? And they go like, and they bring out one of those Keurig things.

And you really, you, you just want to die. You know, you just go like, nevermind. That's a whole nother road to head down. I'm not going to get into it. Not going to get into it.

Cause you know, it's not like I have any class or taste or anything like that. But when I see somebody try to give me a Keurig cup of coffee, I become the Ratatouille food critic. It's weird that I was almost going to ask you about that today. As I was getting my giant cup of coffee, because I know someone else, someone who has been on this show, and will freak the fuck out if you mention the idea that you had a Keurig. And I'm just like, I don't really care.

Like I just want some coffee and. Like, there's a, I go to fancier coffee, but no, I'm just not that, I'm not that picky about it. I'm just like, I appreciate it when it's good, but otherwise sometimes I just want something and I don't care. So I, but I was thinking that I was like, knowing. What I know about you, I bet you're going to be really picky about, you know, something is.

Low brow is a Keurig bird. No, no. And I'm, I'm cause I'm a, I'm a, I'm the problem. Okay. I know.

It's like, it's like, it's like, I will sit and watch like whatever Texas chainsaw crap is out, you know, and everything. And, and, and like, you know, it's not like I'm, I'm sitting around reading Proust early, you know, war and peace and stuff. And like, you know, only serve wine when it's time, you know? Um, you like sunshine and your slasher movies. Right.

Right. I mean, I'm real low brow, but you know, uh, yeah, but, but that's the slippery slope. You start getting a little bit better on it and I'm not, but I do like watching, uh, uh, reels on, you know, whatever, I guess Instagram has got his own version of Tik TOK or something. And like, I watch, uh, basically obsessive coffee people, like spending 27 minutes to make one cup of coffee. And, you know, I'm not at that level of it.

I do like watching their OCD going wild. And I appreciate it. At least I, when people get that hardcore into the different processes, I'm like, I, would be if i again if i had time to do that kind of stuff i would invest more in like again i would like to get to the point of like everybody else gets to have their own coffee shop when i get my own coffee shop i'll have different. Versions of that and we can go down that road and. I can kill 27 minutes because what else do i got to do i'm at work now what do i care right right but at home.

Sometimes I got five minutes and I got to go to work. So I'll play both sides of it. I don't care. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I get it, man. I get it. That's a, that's a good balanced way to live your life, Brian.

Okay. You know, do not, that's the only aspect. Obviously, but also no, no, no, no. But also, you know, I mean, really, I'd probably be like that. And I'm just too lazy to be into anything too much.

You know, I mean, it's just, I don't, you know, that keeps me from going off the end. Cause eventually, eventually energy just runs out or I go like, Oh, that's so much work. Yeah. That's, that's me every day at this point. That's why it's a fight to get these episodes out.

It's like, that's the other thing I keep doing. And like, there's times when I'm like, just want to go to sleep right now. Right. And sometimes I do. And that's why if it takes a couple extra days, it's because I went to sleep because I'm freaking tired.

So I get it. I'm exhausted just with life in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just, it's just exhausting and everything's exhausting. And so, you know, it's just, you know, I mean, yeah. So it'd be great to be that obsessed with something, but at a certain point, you know, it's just kind of nice to zone out, you know? But yeah, so no, you can have your coffee with you.

You can have, you know, whatever, you know, and you're not paying $ 5 for a cup of Keurig or you're not paying $ 20 for a popcorn and you're not. Or with normal people who have like children and shit, you know, an extra hundred dollars to get a babysitter and go eat dinner and like all of this crap that, you know, again, I don't even worry about it, but yeah, it's a whole. Nother level just to leave the house for so many people. That's right. That's right.

Just to do normal things now is so expensive and prohibitive that, you know, people kind of have to like revert back to like collecting old paperbacks and stuff like that because everything else is like, so the mainstream going to see a ball game, going to see a movie, you know, uh, doing, taking a vacation, all that stuff is so expensive. Now it's, uh, This is why I don't do any of these. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You've really kind of got to go back to like retro ways of enjoying yourself because the, what's popular right now is, uh, though, you know, I mean, everybody's mostly just hypnotized to their phones right now. So, I mean, it's really just like that, that, that just costs your, uh, internet bill and, uh, your cell phone thing. And so that's pretty much it. And then you're just like, you're all set, you know, I mean, why ever do anything? Right. which is what a lot of people do.

Like there are a ton of people that are just like, this is how they get through their day. And like, when you suggest going to something, they're just like, what are you talking about? Like, I really feel like there are a lot of people that just don't go do things. And like, I'm, I'm getting to that point because. I do see things that I used to go do this kind of thing.

And now look at it and go, I'm just, I'm tired. I'm tired. Here's the hope, though. Here's the hope of tomorrow. I'm just going to go on this road.

Here's the hope. My daughter, my 17-year-old, she bought a CD the other day. Classic. That's how I live. This is weird.

I did, too. I still do that. Awesome. She showed me that. Uh like these midwestern goodwills post their stuff that they can't move on ebay and so she bought a what like a panic at the disco cd from a goodwill in colorado.

What anyway so convoluted so. Convoluted right and so she opened up and she goes like i've never seen this artwork oh my gosh and inside here there's all the lyrics and i'm going like i'm going like. It's like a paperback It's a physical thing. It's amazing. And you're holding it and you're going like, that was the whole point.

It's like, you took time out of your day to listen to music, you know? I mean, it was something, it was, you took time out of your day to watch movies. You took time out of your day to listen to music. You would go from album, from first track to last track, looking at the artwork, reading along with the lyrics, really taking space to enjoy these, these culture products, you know, these cut, these, these out, these outpourings of expression, you know, and commercialize or whatever somebody had to, and it was just certain thing, you know, and, um, That is lost now, I feel. And I think they feel that.

I mean, I think they feel that there's something missing and constantly available. They probably don't even know what, you know, because they didn't have that. They never had it. They didn't grow up with that. So, like, it's...

When you get that glimpse of a retro view that weird old guys are talking about on the podcast, it probably hits them a little weird. And they're just like, what is this feeling? Why would you do it that way? That does... that is not efficient. You know, there is so much easier ways to do this, but so there's easier ways to do it.

I can watch a movie at the house, you know, going to the movie theater. If certain changes in the movie theater experience, you know, over the years have, have made it not what it was, you know, first it was, You know, the curtain up didn't come up anymore. And then there was like there's like an hour of commercials before you even get to the trailer. No joke, man. Dude, absolutely.

That is crazy. Now our commercials, all that stuff. And then and then there was the trend. I do like the idea of the assigned seating, but sometimes, you know. You know, sometimes that doesn't work out.

I think that saved me from like completely not wanting to go because now at least I don't have to show up early because I'm already going to sit there for an hour beforehand watching. Right. So I definitely don't want to get there an extra 45 minutes early just to find a seat. So that was good. And so then you don't have to be disappointed when you show up to the theater and like, oh, your seat is gone.

Except that still kind of happens but mostly because people are dumb because the last the last movie i went to i bought a seat i bought a seat like a week ahead of time because i knew or at least a few days i think that one usually i'm like a good week ahead of time because i'm like i there's only a handful of movies i bother to go see i'm gonna plan ahead right so like this last one i went you know i went online i got the seat i was all set i got there there's people in it those people are like I'm like, they're just a dumb family. Just no offense to them, but they're a dumb family. And I was just like, I don't feel like fighting and making all you idiots move. But I'm like, I'm just going to, I'm.

Going to say, I'm going to sit as close as I can to where I was supposed to be. And then if, if this all goes to hell, I'll get up and move because somebody else is probably going to need to sit here pretty soon. Right. And no joke, before the. Movie started, an entire other dumb family comes in and is like, are you in 13 F?

And they'll be like, oh, I don't know. And there's this five minute exchange of morons. And then eventually everybody got up and shifted to the right seats. And I'm like, now, wouldn't it have made more sense to just do that the first time when you sat down in the right seat? Because that's the whole point of buying a science.

Right, right. So we don't have to do this crap. What do you think it is? 1998? I'm like, just shuffle in and sit where you want.

What year is this? Jesus. So you got to become like Fonzie or something like that. You're like, hey, punk, you're in my seat. It's like, hey, I got it.

Look at my phone here. Look at my barcode. You're in my seat, punk. I'm going to go bump the screen and get the movie to start when we're done. But not until you get your ass out of my seat.

Yeah. Yeah. But so. so yeah, so that was a good thing. The bad thing is, you know, a lot of places now serve like food, like real food, you know? And so, you know, you're like trying to watch and it's like, uh, It's like the guy next to you is like, you're trying to watch this movie and they're like nachos.

It's like chomping on a, like a, you know, a barbecue sandwich, you know? And it's just like, Oh God, you. Know, slapping lips and slurping. It's just nasty. And you're just going like, Oh man, you know.

Luckily we don't have a ton of that here. I think you're at a cooler city. So you probably have a lot of that. We have, you know, your random ass popcorn and whatever stuff they have behind the counter at the chain theater. But yeah, When you get to the fancier ones, like I can see it as a presentation.

Like I can see you putting that spin on it to bring people in because they kind of needed, you know, hey, we're spinning more plates. Come see this, you know, and you can get a fancy meal. So I can see the end of it that you would want to do that. But the practical end of sitting next to that person eating a barbecue sandwich is a whole nother story. Yeah.

Yeah. It is kind of like weird. like not real food, you know, it's like, it looks like real food, but when you bite into it, you're kind of like, Oh, this is kind of like, it's kind of like the seat. Oh, Oh, I think, uh, man, my stupid headphones might be going out here in a minute. Uh, it's, it, it tells me please charging. Yeah.

It's, it's like, it's like some weird translation of what they think it should say. Aliens are talking to you. Please charging, please charging. Um, so, So, yeah, the food is like it's like the fly. You know, it's like, you know, it's like there's something synthetic about this steak.

You know, it looks like meat, but it looks like things off. Right. Right. Exactly. Let me change my headphones real quick, because now I'm like, it gives me give me 30 seconds.

All right. I'll just wrap up this episode. What time is it? I mean, enough that we should probably just start another episode. All right.

All right. All right. Cool. All right. Excellent.

Yeah. I'll freshen my coffee. I'll, I'll, uh, bio break is what they call it now at work. Oh, I'm going to take a bio break. I'm like, That's weird and clinical.

I was like a David Cronenberg movie. You know, I'm going to like go hook myself up and do like some paste hose. That's going to feed me. Oh, he's going to go attach himself to a piece of machinery and we're going to wrap this one up and we'll just be back for the next one. As soon as we finish this nonsense.

Okay. Yes. Yes. All right. Give me, give me, give me two minutes.

Okay. Okay. All right. So with that, we will wrap this one up and be back for more insane talk the next episode. Otherwise, that about does it.

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