Noise Junkies - Bowie

We're you. I have often wondered if if actually that being an artist in any way any nature. I think there's a I think it's a looney kind of thing to want to do. I think the saner and rational appranch to life is to survive steadfastly and create a protective home, and create a warm, loving environment for one's family and get food for them. That's about it.

That's actually. Anything else is extra or culture is extra, and it's a sign of the irrational part of man. I think we should just be content with picking nuts, not mine. Welcome to noise, junkies. I'm father alone with me here in the underground.

She's a future legend. She's afraid of Americans. We call her ladies Stardust. The rest of you call her Heather Drain. Oh my god, I feel like I should be like paying you for that intro.

That is my favorite intro I've ever received, like ever, Thank you my pleasure. And speaking of Americans, we have a young American beaming in from a topic glass spider. That's right, he's been dancing out in space. God knows he's good. When they say bring me the disco king, they're talking about mister HP as long as I'm not a rock and roll suicide just yet.

But I do appreciate the intro. Thank you very much. Follow along. It's great to be here tonight. If I haven't already, zid you start us to the topic.

For you, we are talking about mister David Bowie. Now we're under no illusions that that particular human can be summed up in any meaningful way in a couple of hours, So instead we'll be taking a look at three shades of Bowie, three topics and discussing those, and honestly, even those would be given short shrift, such is the life and the work and everything, mister Jones. But Bowie can hang out with Thursday's Child for a few minutes because we have a way around here on satellite Noise Junkie. First order of business, HP Tumbled and twirlss with what's been cruising your auditory canals of late? You're on fire tonight, father alone.

I love it. Lately I've been Normally, I bring up an album that I've listened to and I go through the album. But in this case, it's one song that I've had almost on repeat pretty much every day, and to tell the story, I went a few weeks ago. I saw Billy Joel, went to see Billy Joel live and Joe the Piano Man himself. Now I'm fine, Billy Joe's fine.

I know his music. Who doesn't. But it turns out it was a double bill. It was co headliners. He was co headlining with Stevie Nicks.

Now again, I'm a fan of Fleetwood Mac. I've never really sought out anything any shows, or I've never seen Steven live, But what have you? What are you gonna do? It sounded like a good time, So I went and Stevie opened, and it was a rainy, rainy night, and the weather was really bad. It wasn't pouring, but it was this driving, sort of spitting rain through the whole thing.

It dampened everybody's spirits. So we're sitting there waiting and all of a sudden, Stevie comes out and she kicked off with what I found out later was an amazingly thematic song for the evening. She came out and opened with a song called Outside the Rain, which is off of her eighty one solo debut, bella Dog. I've seen concert footage of Stevie X and Fleetwood mac and what have you and her videos and MTV. But I I tell you that she was absolutely transfixing, even at seventy five years old.

She had presence that I found utterly captivating. And she doesn't move with the same sort of fervor as she might have when she was when she was younger, but she was fantastic. She conveyed passion through her performance. Rain Soaked though it may have been, I couldn't even properly make out the lyrics of the song, and yet I knew what she was singing about. So I made a mental note while I'm watching the show to go home afterwards and check out look up on setlist FM.

What was that song? So I looked it up. Side note. By the way, the music geek in me was super excited to see on the stage left Watti walk Tell playing guitar. Do you guys know who Watti walk Tell is?

By any chance, I know who Waddy from the exploit it is? No, I don't think Way wants he was a two big criminal in Texas. No, this is not This is neither of those. Way Doy walk Tell is a legend in the world of studio musicians. He just list of credits would be would we could have a whole show devoted to him, But among other things, he co wrote, co produced, played guitar on Warren Zevon's Werewolves of London, which we brought up in the last episode, played all over Brian Ferry's album The Bride Strip there.

He was a long time touring guitarist for Linda Ronstadt during her seventies heyday, and he could be seen during Ronstadt's concert footage in the movie Flu. He has too many credits to discuss in one sitting. But as for Nicks, he not only featured prominently on Belladonna and other albums. It's his guitar chug that you hear that opens up the song Edge of seventeen. That's him.

But he's been touring with her since the beginning and he's basically her best friend anyway, So that was cool for me to see. Maybe I was the only person in the whole stadium who knew who this guy was, but I was freaking out anyway. The song. The lyrics of the song touch on themes that were already the stock in trade for her by that point. She talks about loneliness, heartache, dreams, and breakups.

But it's not just the words, it's how she sings them. And that's what I found so beguiling that evening, and that's what I find so beguiling about that song, and I have not been able to get it out of my mind since then. My face. But yeah, the song outside the Rain fantastic. I really wasn't that into Billy Joel.

After the fact, I was like, well, this feels like the show to me. She performed. It was a two and a half hour show before Billy Joel even came on. She did a full set. It was incredible.

I mean I would just leave after that. It was I don't need a New York Saturday. Where the hell that ship is? No, he was good, he and he was pretty angry about the rain. I have to say he swore a lot at the rain, kind of old man yells at cloud.

That's what he did. Was he like you motherfucker? Yes? At one point it was great. At one point the saxophone the saxophonists came out and did his solo and the camera is on him and as he walked away, I could very clearly see him say the words motherfucking rain, motherfucking rain to someone over his shoulder.

It was great. Stop stop. I fixture him sounding like do you guys remember the Red tapes, like oh yeah, yeah yeah. I picture him like a non racist version of Red where he was like you cocksucker, right, he was. He was good at the beginning.

Stevie did stop dragging my heart around and he came out and did the Tom Petty part, which I thought was great. He did a really good job. But Heather, get out of that quicksand and tell me and HP and the people out there what you're indulging in of late that makes you think, fuck yeah, man art. It's a song I returned to a lot, actually, and I absolutely adore it. And it's called the Last Song by a French post punk band called Tristome twenty one.

They formed in nineteen eighty one by a pair of brothers, Felipe and Hove Lampre and this song originally released nineteen eighty six off of their album Chapter four. This song advand they lot of times get called or kind of adjacent at the very least towards eighties goth. I think they're more kind of the post punk, like you could be goth and like them but I wouldn't necessarily consider them like died in the world gothic. They're called they're now called in their Wikipedia entry cold wave, which basically gothic. The gothic genre now has like all sorts of other ways to describe it.

But this song is dreamy, it's melancholy. I never ever get tired of it. It just it's it's got like this sort of sense of heartburn or heartborn longing, and it's just sort of like you feel like you're drifting into something but you're not quite sure what. There's very much being pulled to, like a flame behind missed element to it. It's helpful, but there's a little bit of sadness and weariness too.

I just I think it's a beautiful piece of music. Also, on a side note, this song as well as there's a fan made video on YouTube where somebody has taken some footage of a eighties club that's got like the most amazing mix of like there's goth kids, there's punk kids, there's a few weird frat types mixed in, there's some bus boys. Like it's like the most eclectic eighties mix of like of cultures. And they set it to this song, and I just the mix is so perfect because there's a guy in the in the video that has green hair, that has this great kind of rabbity energy, and it ended up inspiring. I wrote a short story inspired by the song and that video called bad Night with Acid Jimmy, and it got published earlier this year in a a little print journal called The Salt.

So yeah, dreams can come true. It can happen to you when you listen to Trice on Me twenty one. What about you, Father Malone? I bet you're great. I bet you are our wrong contour?

What have you been digging? You guys only picked songs? I picked an album Jesus Christ. But there's no rules banning. Come on, well, my choice dumbtails with the greater topic.

I've been blazing through the back catalog and his newer stuff of mister Liam Lynch. All the cool heads just swiveled around Liam Lynch. He's kind of best known for a track released in the early two thousands called the United States or whatever. This is not It's okay, yeah, there it is. You all know it.

Some of you might know. It is originally coming out of a soft puppet named Olie on the short lived MTV puppet extravaganza cyphil and Ollie, which Lynch co wrote, performed and wrote, wrote and performed the songs. And if you haven't seen it, seek it out right now. S I F l ampersand O L L Y. I envy those who have never seen or heard it.

Now, if that was the only thing he'd ever done, which by the way, he accomplished while living in London, having attended a full musical education course with Paul McCartney as the instructor. Even if he had just made syphil and Ollie, he would be a legend in my mind. But then he also directed Tenacious d in The Pick of Destiny. That's another one of those. Had he only done that one thing situations.

On top of all of that, he puts out a fucking great record every couple of years. And now, if I have to recommend any one of them to the uninitiated, it I go with one of the more nakedly comedic releases, and that is Fake Songs. Not only does it include the United States of whatever, but the funny songs are genuinely funny. Electricians Day, good God, let me give you somebody Electricial Day. It's a specialty.

Oh let me hear you right down, you see it, let me hear it Electricians Day Now where that was okay, I think you need to work on it. So but there are genuine fake songs here, fake songs in the style of his favorite artists and probably yours, and they're exquisite. His fake Byork song is uncanny. It's him performing as Buyork and it is you. I don't know, I can't distinct.

Wish grow, you can suffer alone, teasing me, eating me, try Me. But the tie in here is his song Eclipse Me, which is his Bowie fake song, and I'm gonna play a clip of that after I finish up. Because all of those things I mentioned, all of those highly artistic and highly recommendable things, are not the reason I'm recommending William Lynch or this album. There are two songs on the on the album. If you've ever pined for anyone, you're gonna You're gonna dig these songs.

Try Me, which is a t Rex glam rock banger every the same episode on You Just dr and because you do now, you'll dig them both. Like I said, But if you ever if you've ever pined for someone who's in love with somebody else. Put on because you do, and put it on repeat as rockin is anything you're gonna hear. There's not a drop of comedy, which doesn't mean there's no humor. It's just very clever.

It's heartfelt, compassionate and a pure expression of a kind of longing that is somehow fortifying, enjoyous. A draw a million and Ringo starplays drums. I second that. I that's one of my favorites. He does fake Talking Heads song on that same album that is as you said, it's it's indistinguishable.

He gets all of David Burns's kind of vocal inflections. This is a joke, this is steeple. Look at the praying, praying for something, writing lound the bus, potain Away. It's clear. I think the key to good parody is you really have to love what it is you're you're sort of parodying.

And it's so clear that Liam Lynch has such affection for all of these bands that he covers, and and that song with Ringo Starr is fantastic. Also, it's a great album. He's just such a great talented guy. Yeah, and he's just put out a new album, and every much to check that out. I wouldn't recommend that one right off the bat.

He does have more serious songs and serious albums. This one, like I said, it's the most riotously funny. There are a couple hours after it that I would probably recommend as his best. But anyway, fake songs, everybody go check that out. That's what I've been listening to.

Sorry, yes, Nate, but time h jamplaining Joel's infinity. Just drag queens, SI me, you're daddy data day you Cliff Cavalc can explain. Oh Lord Freezer, oh boy, here we go. He's mercurial that David Bowie. Every time you turn around, he's a different person altogether.

It must have been exhausting, but thank god he did it, because those personas, those characters, they're as much Bowie as Bowie is Jones if you can dig that, and what a rogues gallery Bowie envisioned and brought to life to sing the songs that he couldn't or wouldn't. Now look, there are several main established we all know him Bowie personas, so he starred US Halloween, jack Alad Insane, the Thin White Duke, blind Prophet, that's my list anyway. But these are in no way the sum total of the man's many guyss and performances. So I'm gonna put it to each of you, which of Bowie's many incarnations make you freak out in a moon age daydream. Oh yeah, Heather, We'll start with you.

Oh my gosh. First of all, this will shock nobody. I'm sure Anybay knows me. Like so many of us, David Boy has been a part of my life since I can remember, Like that was an artist that even I remember even just hearing and seeing as a little girl, that just clicks with me. And I just feel like Boy like for so many of us, and it can and it's like it cantive tissue.

It's like there are people that aren't weirdos and artists and misfits like us that love Boy. But then but for people especially like us o our tribe, I feel like David Boy just like he is one of those biggest like sort of beacons of light, Like he's one of those artists that gets you through, gets you through the hard times and shows it's like, hey, yeah, I'm an alien too, and it's beautiful and just so I will just I you try to to do just pick one thing of anything a David Boys is almost impossible. This was tough for me because his personas. I love all of them, and but when pressed and at least this week, I have to say the thin white Dude. Somebody was gonna pick it.

I that was well because the minute, the minute I saw when you send us the questions immediately hurt in my head. Boy, not just it's one of my favorite periods musically of Boys. The look I've even tried to kind of replicate, not so much with the seliked back aspect of it, but like the two tone. I've done that with my hair off and on through the years. I'm kind of doing it tonight.

It's hard to see because the headphones, but I still have some bread in the back and kind of the blonde upfront. It's like, I mean, like everything Bora did is iconic, but yeah, I had to go to them with Duke. But it's so hard because they're all great, but I don't know what about what about you? HP? Like, what was what was your choice?

I also picked the thin white Dude, and I figured this, Like I said, I I had every every confidence that someone was going to pick someone else's choice, and that's that's fine. I mean, they're all great choices. I for me. Part of I can explain a little bit. Part of the reason why I love this persona so much is because it's so closely aligned with probably my favorite album, at least currently my favorite album by Body, which is Stationed the Station that was.

Obviously there's some association with the Man Who Fell to Earth because the look is is very similar with the red hair, the slick back red hair. The live shows at the time, he's he's so imposing with that sort of dark vest, the white shirt and the dark slacks and cutting poses on the stage and he's just was so it was something kind of regal and a little bit dangerous about the character, which I loved. And even the song itself stationed the Stage and basically describes the thin white duke obviously, as you said, the famous line about throwing darts and lover's eyes. But the song is so great because it runs the gamut of sort of evil intent of this character to sort of cocaine induced paranoia and regret it.

There's all there's a lot going on in that song, and it's sort of movements and it's great, and Bowie would later call this time period where he was portraying the Thin White Duke as the darkest days of his life due to quote astronomical cocaine and amphetamine usage. He reportedly lived on a diet of red peppers, milk, and hard drugs, and he would blame he had some erratic behavior at the time. I don't know how much you guys have looked into this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was accused. Well well, because like I said, he was living off of red peppers, milk, and cocaine.

He was accused of He made some what some construed his fascist statements to the press. At one point, he was photographed and people thought he was doing the Nazi salute, which I don't think was actually the case. I think the photographer just wrapped a certain point, like he was just waving straight out. It's it's like backwards. Yeah, that's that's bullshit.

Yeah. But but what I what I find fascinating is he would later claim that in his his mental state was such that he doesn't even recall any of the sessions for A Station the Station, which I think is crazy because it's such a phenomenal album with some great songs and he was. He was so he was burning the candle at both ends to the degree where he just he basically had to escape to Switzerland to save his own life because if he had stayed in la he would just been a drug casualty. But but yeah, no, I'm with you one hundred percent, Heather, the thin White Duke is. When I think of Bowie, that's the first persona that comes to mind.

I'm sorry you mentioned the drugs, and I just remember seeing this interview with him where he joked about how would him and Aggy Pop both together moved to Berlin to kind of helped each other clean up from various substances, and boy laughed. He's like, oh, yes, we moved to Berlin, the heroine capital of the world. It's just any like darkly chuckle, that's just like God, I love him anyways, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Father Malone. All right, listen, persona wise, this was near impossible. I came, I came down to two and they bump up against each other.

But ultimately, weirdly, my favorite persona of David Bowie is screaming Lord Byron. That's right. He makes one appearance in that twenty odd minute short film Jazz and for Blue Jeen, directed by Julian Temple Right. They made that in support of oh Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I gotcha. So this is made in support of Tonight, which is the follow up to Let's Dance.

Yeah Yeah. It featured on that album. It's only it's nine tracks, only two of them were written in their entirety by Bowie, Loving the Alien and the Blue Jean. Loving the Alien belongs on a later album and Blue Gene belongs on an earlier album. But anyway.

The short film features Bowie as Vic, this hapless billboard hangar who's attempting to date a girl by convincing her he knows rock stars Screaming Lord Byron, also played by Bowie. We get the full spectrum of Screaming Lord Byron. Unlike a lot of Bowie's other personas or you just catch glimpses of him, or maybe you show up on stage or whatever. Here we get this guy his entire life. He gets carried in unconscious by three giant police officers and Ryan Almonds.

Then they snap him back to life, where he immediately falls into dealing with the backstage hair guy just casual chatting, and then Vic the other Bowie character, like trying to get backstage, ends up falling through the ceiling of his dressing room and screaming. Lord Byron becomes this cowering, whimpering like he hides in the corner and just begs him to go away, please go away. And then he goes on stage and the motherfucker just takes over it. You've got Bowie's bike. She got us.

This is my favorite Bowie makeup, it's my favorite Bowie attitude, It's my favorite Bowie stage presence. He stalks that stage. He owns it. The audience doesn't even need to be there at all. He's ferocious and fun and choreographed to the tee.

He comes out in a turban that he unwinds by dancing the length of it down. The stage is thrust. He huddles up the band in a weird little circle and like they pace around together like weather player. At one point he inspires, I'm gonna do air quotes everybody. He inspires Utuo's Bono to run around the stage with a spotlight like lighting up the audience.

He the screaming, Lord Myron's doing that. Oh, and the streamers at the end, the the very theatrical streamers, followed by the snapping good God. It was all beyond cool then, and you know what, I watched it a bunch again leading up to this Pine Can and it's still pretty fucking cool. Now. People think that's a passable tune, like it's a throwaway Bowie, and I suggest they have intercourse with themselves.

I mean, look, it actually don't matter because we're not reviewing the songs, we're reviewing the persona. But it just so happens. I love that song as much as I love the weirdo singing it. I would love an entire concert from Screaming Lord Byron anyway. That's my choice.

The other one was is doesn't have a name, and that's peach suited. Serious Moonlight toward Bowie. That is my actual favorite, but there's no there's nothing there. That's just it's just a shiny, happy Bowie with a fucking teddy boy blonde do. That was everything.

It's beautiful, no doubt, But there's a lot more to Screaming Lord Byron than there was Serious Moonlight. Guy. I love that you pick that that persona fa them alone. That's that video is very foundational for me because up to that point, I think I think Let's Dance had already come and gone, and I already was aware of who we was. But he's so magnetic.

I mean, just the video for Blue Geen itself, taken out of the context of the long form video. Like you said, the makeup is incredible. He's so dynamic up on the stage. The song, I wholehardly agree with your take on the song. I think the song is is incredible.

I love Blue Gene. I think it's one of his I wouldn't say it's one of his best, but I think it's definitely up there. And yeah, it's the streamers at the end always get me because he does this kind of thing where he kind of does this mime move where he kind of stops and you can see the streamers stop. It's very cool, like because he studied mime in the sixties, so he's he knew how to do all that stuff. But today right on great great call.

Yeah, that makeup is gorgeous. That's one of my favorite if I had to pick, if we're doing favorite David Boy bakeup That and the pirou clown from The Scary Monsters Era would be stick a neck regularly like this makeup because when they when you get him in close up. Complimentary to the eyes because he has blue eyes and mostly black because of the because of the pupil there. But like the makeup, just like it makes it more makeup somehow, I don't know anyway, Yeah, no, it looks It looks like something from like an early thirties most like surrealest drawing of a face too, like the way that the cheekbones, the angles and shadows are created on it. It's gorgeous.

Also a little trivia. One of one of the guys I can't remember if it's I want to say it's the bassist in this video. Dude is one of the brothers that would go on to being right, said Fred. Oh wow, oh yeah, I watched the video games it. Yeah, yeah, well right, said Fred connect Sean.

Also, I love this song, and I a hundred and twenty thousand percent agree with your assessment of both Blue Geen and Loving the Alien. Tonight is not. I think it's one of his worst albums. It's not. It's not good.

Blue Jean's a banger though, like Blue Jean is it should have been on the previous album because it's just as good as any of the material. I actually think it's one of his best songs from the eighties. Tonight it seems like let's let my friend Iggy Pop gets some residual money. Basically, let's let's parlay my success from Let's Dance, and because it's a lot of it's a lot of Iggy covers and Iggy co writing, so that's whats to me. And then two fucking riotously good songs like I said that shouldn't be on this album at all.

Blue Jean should have been on Let's Dance. It would fit right in and Let's Dance I think agreed, agreed. Yeah, Loving the Alien I could never get into because I feel like I almost feel like it'd be better if it was like Brian Ferry. I almost feel like there's a Brian Faery esque past, like pastige or something going on. It's very sinister.

Yeah, I love it. And the video was kind of cool because he's sort of kneeling in this sort of water and he's gliding around and kind of barely skimming the surface of the water. I always found like sinister is a great way to describe it. But I just it feels languid to me. It's got that great sort of breakdown when it goes into the chorus, which you don't necessarily expect it to go into that.

It kind of reminds me a little bit of parts of Man Who Sold the World a little bit in parts. I just I love that song, but I one hundred percent agree those two songs are the cream of the crop of off of a fairly subpar album. But that's not damning them with faint praise. They were really good songs. Do you guys want to do Worst Personas?

Absolutely? I do. Oh, we gotta vote for go for it? Okay, so we're going forward. Do we dare defile David's doppelgangers?

We dare hp take it away? This has bugged me for a little while, And this might be stretching the notion of a persona because as you said at the at the top bottom alone, that there's really this five or six that everybody knows and they're very classic personas. But this is not necessarily a persona. This kind of maps to a certain period of his work, a period that I don't really care for. And my vote for Worst Bowie persona is what I would call the outside slash Nine Inch Nails Bowie.

This is the Bowie that was that sort of came out behind his album Outside, which is an album that I've never really sort of cotton too, never really appreciated. Maybe it's time for a reappraisal. I always found it overly indebted to the sort of grunge and industrial sounds that were popular at the time, like Nine Inch Nails. Not coincidentally, Nine Inch Nails opened for Bowie on the subsequent American tour to support the album. Don't You Do You have to go some of the It's confusing these guys, but squill on your This kind of Outside is a very dark, atmospheric, gritty album.

It's a concept album that tells a story that involves a detective, a girl who's murder he's investigating, and all these weird characters and they're all portrayed by Bowie and they kind of inhabit this sort of strange futuristic gothic society and and and Brian Eno is very heavily involved, and I love love Brianino. It wasn't so much Bowie being a trendsetter as he was in for his best work. To me, it felt like he was chasing a trend a little bit and chasing the nine inch Nails bus because nineage Nails was huge at the time. So for me, that's my least favorite Bowie. I'm doing air quotes persona and maybe the album I'm maybe it's it's ripe for a reappraisal on my part, but anyway, that's my vote.

What do you guys think? I love that album. That album I actually remember when it came out, and it felt like it felt like, oh God, like he's returning to doing something a little experimental, a little outside the no pun intended outside the box, because like other than oh God, other than ten Machine, which actually I really do like me too, I felt like his ladder, like when she gets the late eighties period very safe, very very safe, and just it just felt like water down Boie. Now, water down Boy is still better than a lot of people's best objectively, but you know what this cat can do. And then when Outside came out, I mean, the hearts Filthy lesson I think is a fantastic and it's a fantastic video.

I mean, but I'm a huge industrial music fan, and maybe that's objectively, I'm like, I love Ministry, I love Revco basically anything off Wax tracks from that period. I was a big fan of so I. In my case, it's not it's not because I didn't like that style. I liked it fine. I like nine inch Nails at the time.

It's just I don't know. For me at the time, at least it was, it just felt like, and I don't I this is just me supposing, but it felt a little bit like he was chasing a trend. But again, it's possible that time has softened my opinion. Maybe I should go back and check the album out again. I probably should, But that's that was just when when when the brief came in and it said, well, who's your least favorite persona?

This was literally the first thing that I thought of. I agree with both of you, Okay, necessarily, I think he was chasing a trend, which felt icky as a Bowie fan because he that was the first time we ever saw him do that. But I also think the album is pretty fucking good. Also, I mean, objectively, I would never frame it in the way of chasing a trent. But Boy historically has always been an artist that has been very moved and motivated and used other artists as muses, like and I mean, he literally wrote a song about Andy Warhol, like he goes to that crowd, lou Reid, There'd be certain albums we wouldn't have with that lou Reid him connecting, He was a great connector.

I never viewed it as chasing trend so much as being a kind of lightning rod personality that he's a great artist, and he knows and part of part of his artistry is connecting to the right other artists to kind of get that juice going. I mean, And by the way, none of this means that that this album has no value. Like I said, it's it's just my opinion. Looking at his wider scope of work, it's among my least favorite. But that doesn't mean it's a bad album.

And then, what's your least favorite person of mister David Bowie? Of all the questions, I hate this one the most, I because I don't. I don't hate any of them. I don't. Of all the cannon personas, I guess, which do you prefer the least?

If I had to pick, I'm gonna do kind of what HP did I'll take a pay inspiration from you, sir, my fellow noise, chunky Brethren, whatever, whatever was going on with the never Let Me Down. I guess period in the late eighties because I just feel like it was David. I mean I think he I mean he kind of even says almost as much in the moon Age day Dream documentary where he kind of had lost his way. So I guess I would pick that one. I think musically it's his least interesting period.

I don't think I can never, in my heart say anything I think David Boie has done sucks. I would never go that far, but it moves me. It certainly moves me the least. And you could tell he was kind of operating at half power at moutime Tales tail about twin Bus Center. And that's why the nineties for me was such a great resurgence.

For like, it's like, oh, they're our king is back, and and him to me, him kind of going industrial was kind of like, oh wow, yeah, I'm gonna work with all these children that I inspired. It's kind of how I viewed it too. But I guess if I had to pick one that but honestly, I don't I don't. I don't know. I don't just all the of all the main personas I like.

I like all of them. I can't be cause it's like you've got the button Man from Black Star and that's good. I love that and that album. And yes, I like Halloween Jack. I love the pirole Halloween Jack.

What what what do you write? Is your I think we know your answers are Halloween Jack. Oh my god, it was just you know what he is. It's ziggy start us without the forehead, nonsense and a fucking ipatch. It's like this le, he's got that paddle guitar.

Get out of here. You stop it, stop it. Get to the duke, you prick, get to the fucking cynicism already. I actually I actually co signed that a little bit, Father Malone. And the reason is I don't think the persona is a bad one in and of itself.

What persona? Just a dandy? No no, no, so hear me out. So the issue I had with that particular album is it's not even it's well known that he was going to try to make a musical version of nineteen eighty four, and he had written all these songs and there was there's demos on the Sound and Vision box set that you can hear, but he couldn't hep the Orwell's widow wouldn't give him the rights, so he had to pivot and make something out of this this planned concept album. So for me, that's one of my lesser Bowie albums.

There's some great songs on it, but I can't help listening to it and thinking like, well, this you can clearly hear, like all of the nineteen eighty four sort of plot points throughout the whole thing, and it's kind of all bolted onto this weird concept of the Diamond Dogs and the future and all this. And that's why to me it's not as interesting because it feels like a failure that he kind of tried to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. So that's why I don't really love it. But I don't know if that answers the persona itself is whatever. I got no problem with that album.

Obviously, it's a fucking great album. I just think, master yeah, but it's just it's just Junior zig Junior Ziggy. You make me picture when he's Halloween Jack with somebody's like, hey, are you sick, he started. He's like, no, yeah, exactly, that's exactly what it is. Ziggy's idea of going in the sky so you can go to Burger King No films, Oh boy, I love on film.

He could pull you into a movie or can shock you right out of it. He's a perfect actor for telling a story and a good actor. By the way, check out his very funny turn in the Linguini Incident if you haven't seen that one anyway, what's your favorite Bowie film? Mister h P starting with me, so my favorite? I agree.

I think he's fabulous and just about anything you see him in. He's a very natural actor for somebody who's that is in his chosen original vocation. He's fantastic. My favorite Bowie film the one that I this may not necessarily be his best performance, but it's the one that I love the most, and that is his turn as the goblin King Jareth in Labyrinth from nineteen eighty six. Sarah, go back to your room, play with your toys and your costumes.

Forget about the baby. I'm sure probably a lot of people have already seen it. I'm sure you guys have both seen it. For me in him and Labyrinth. I think Bowie has the right mix of charisma and other worldliness that is needed to make the character of Jareth kind of come alive.

I mean, it's ridiculous. His costume is ridiculous, his wig is ridiculous. He just seems like he's had so much fun in the role as well, which is which is wonderful to see. And it's just it's funny because we just talked about the fact that he was being accused of being a fascist in the mid seventies and here he is ten years later, he's top lining a Jim Henson fantasy movie. It's this man, could he could do anything.

It's incredible. And the other reason why I love Labyrinth so much is I love the soundtrack in particular. I have such a deep love of the song Underground off of that soundtrack, and it's honestly one of my favorite Bowie songs of of alternative. It's kind of at earn to his young American sort of roots, like Lutha vanros Is singing, is doing backup vocals just like he did on Young Americans. Shaka Khan does backing vocals.

It's buried in the mix, but Albert Collins does awesome blues guitar behind everything that's going on. But he it just feels, like I said, an updating of young Americans that gospel feel, the sort of call and response of the lead and the backing vocals, it's it's phenomenal. I love it. So yeah, Labyrinth, It's just such a fun, happy memory of mine as a kid. And I think he's he's wonderful in it.

Excellent choice, Heather. I'm so curious. First of all, I love the way HP you said Shaka Khan because you totally said it like Shaka Khannan. But isn't that like Melly mel I think, yeah, it after the fact that she was really mad at the time because they just tacked on this hip hop thing onto onto her song and then and then it went triple platinum and she went, no, that was good. That's a good thing.

I like that. It's funny how when the check clears people their minds very quickly. This was another tough question, but I loved it because, like you said on the Milone, David Boy, even in the tiniest of roles and lesser movies, is such a just your heart swells. You're like, oh, my God. Like I believe when we discussed yellow Beard on the Culture Cast earlier this year, David boy has a cameo in that, and I was so delighted.

I was like, oh my god, it's David Boy Like I fangirled out so hard. And he's been He's had some great turns. I had a narrow it down to two. My brodder up choice was Last Centation of Christ. I thought he was great.

That's a that's a beautiful movie. And I thought Boy was absently spectacular as Pontius pilot and in a role like it kind of again like what you were saying, like that, it was very understated the way he did it. It's not something you would typically think about with with David BOYR unless you're thinking like the Andrew laid Weber kind of bigger production of it. But this is Scorsese. It's a different beast.

Though I actually really do love she's this Christ superstar. But that's that's heard her there. You do understand what has to happen. I have a space for you up on Golgotha three thousand skulls there by now probably more. I had to go with my heart for my main pick, and I had to go with that Labyrinth as well.

As a child of the eighties, I watched Labyrinth a lot. I mean to the point where I've often joked that the reason my mother never had any other children was probably because she sensed little psychotic me watching it and being like, why doesn't she give up her ba like her baby brother? Like, girl, you could be goblin green, like you can like rule this amazing like fantasy realm of puppets and have this ball gown and dance with David boy looking so hot. Not fair you say that so often. I wonder what your basis for comparison is.

So the leventh is a piece of cake, is it? Well, tot's see how you deal with this little slice. I liked the wig. I didn't know it was a wig, of course, because I was a little kid, and I just thought it's like, man, it's a rock star. Of course he's got like badass hair like that.

The codpiece. As an adult is now I'm like, God, did I hit early puberty because of how many times I watch this movie. Because he's got like they call him a goblin king because he's got a goblin in his pan. Puppeteer, Like he's like, I don't need a puppeteer. I am the puppeteer.

But it's I mean again, like what you said, HPU the music. I mean, the music's great. I think it's a like, of course, all the design of the which I think some of the I want to say, wasn't some of the design of the creatures, like I mean, obviously it's Tenson, but I want to say, like what was his name, Brian Frown, who's such a beautiful illustrator. I mean, there's just such a whimsy and just the fantasy of it all. It's such a great film.

It's still I think it is enchanting now as it was then, and I think it's a great testament to puppetry. I would kind of like to see a type of film like this made again, like get Away from CGI, Let's make some cool puppets. I honestly I can't imagine, and I know other other girls might age. I'm sure there were some dudes too that just had a massive crush on the Goblin King. I actually have one friend that blames her bad taste in men in her teens in early twenties on us on a combination of this movie in Motley Crue.

I'm thinking it's probably more Motley Crue. But who was more charismatic than David Boy and David Borg's eyeliner and a giant codpiece. Forget about it, Slaber, But what about you, father Malone. You gotta gotta kind of walk a tightrope here. Overall, great movie versus personal favorite Bowie performance in a movie.

Now mine came down to two again. My runner up is Into the Night, John Landis's film starring Jeff Goblum and Michelle Pfeiffer. Bowie is a hit man in that it's a film peppered with very recognizable cameos, and Bowie manages to become a character instead, and a very sinister one at that. We keep mentioning that word go very good. You're really very good.

I'm amazed we've not met before. Look, guys, there's fucking there's no debate. The movie is Labyrinth, Jarreed, the godness that bugs, that launched an entire generation into puberty. I won't split it down gender lines. We all loved Jarff.

It's a solid performance, it's fun, he's mischievous, he's he grounds the entire puppet centered movie. If she ever kisses you, I'll turn you into a prince. You will Prince of the Land of Stench. And what a goddamn good movie. Man.

Look, people drone on and on about world building these days, I say, take a look at this kingdom. There was a time when fantasy entertainment was sparse at best. I can probably name everything from the eighties on, like two hands point is. Fantasy films were rare and rarer. Still was an actually decent fantasy film, you know, one where the creators cared from like the moment they thought of the thing until they fucking shipped the Prince to the movie theaters.

So God bless Jim Henson because he gave us two And I love Dark Crystal. But Labyrinth works on every level. It's people with some of the best characters in any fantasy thing. Come on, man, the worst things in this place. You all heard his voice just then, the helping hands, come on, come on, we have all day.

The trash lady watch a mat of ike. Don't you like you're told me? The door knockers, y'all the door. You're a wonderful conversational campaign. You can talk all you know his bone.

His other movies might have artistic cachet, or they might be like CAMPI er fun if that's what you're into. But this movie, to me is the equivalent of a rainy Sunday afternoon. I can put it on any time and watch it from beginning to end. He's great in it. I don't have as much fun with any of his other films as I do this.

Like I said, like, is this a better movie than Man Who Fell to Earth? I don't know. That's debatable, but this is the one I'm gonna choose every single time. Hell hallelujah. Also, I do love Man Who Felt to Earth, but I didn't I didn't even think about picking that one because my favorite performance in the movies were Toorns.

So oh, I like Candy Bark in that movie myself. She creates on me in that movie. And then you just don't like, can't sorry, I'm sorry, good lord. I'm not saying against her. I'm just saying that her in that movie.

Okay, calm down, but ripped Torn rip Torn is like a pagan god come to terrorize and fertilize ue all at the same time. And I'm down, all right, Simmer down, look, everyone makes a terrible movie. I have made a terrible movie. I'm not even kidding bow He's just a man, or just an alien, or just an angel, but they're all fallible. That's my point.

HP worst movie. I'm not sure if if you both will appreciate this or not, but nevertheless, this is what I picked. I didn't go with a film. I went with a television appearance that Bowie made. This appearance he appeared.

The character's name was Sir roland more Cock. The TV show was dream On on HBO. It was season two, episode one. Do you guys remember this show? I do, and I remember the episode, and I know he did it because he was friends with John Landis, who created that series.

Yes, and John Landis in fact directed this particular episode. So I when the brief came in, the first thing I did was I went and looked at Bowie's IMDb two to see what, you know, if there's anything I've overlooked and what have you. And then I saw that he was in dream On and I stopped and I said, did I did I really see that? I was almost like this thing that was half remembered in the back of my mind, but I didn't really believe it until I went and sought out the episode. The guest stars, even on this particular episode are crazy, like sylve'ster just alone makes an appearance, Fran Drescher is in it, Mimie Rogers, Tom Behringer.

These were all big stars at the time. But now, like who remembers dream On? Like in casual conversation, nobody thinks of dream On? Well, might I point out that HBO shows from that era the sort of proto what became HBO's slate of television Programming'm talking about, like dream On and Tales from the Crypt and The Hitchhiker and those kind of things. They've all been effectively stricken.

HBO doesn't promote them or syndicate them anymore, and the companies that did them don't either, so they're they're hard to find, Like it's hard to find Tales from the Crypt, and everybody loves Tales from the Crypt. Never mind dream On. I don't think it's a great series. I just think the reason when nobody remembers it is because it's just no longer available, and that's probably a contributing factor. I think that's a great point.

But at the same time. Like I think at the time it was considered kind of groundbreaking because it had copious nudity, which being on HBO afforded them that luxury to sort of have the language and nudity, what have you. But so this particular episode, though, I had to go back, Like I said, and rewatch it, and I remember watching it at the time because I was already a big Bowie fan by that point. He plays this director. They're making a movie, and the director of this movie is played by David Bowie.

As I said, his name is Sir Roland Moorcock, which in itself is like an embarrassing sort of play on words. I was embarrassed for Bowie watching this episode some thirty years later. That blouse is a disease. I just thought, I went with the skirt. Indeed does this is not what we discussed at all.

This is not the wife of Richard Stone. This is the wife of a civil servant from Bay, your own New Jersey. There's no style, no wits, not a trace of sexuality. And that blouse makes one wonder whether the woman has a vagina or a snap us. Although Bowie's fine, I mean all, he doesn't He's not called upon to do a whole lot.

He basically just has to be the real this sort of euro trash director. Ever, he just has to be disdainful and caddy and make fun of everybody that crosses his path. And there's a certain novelty in watching him kind of in this bizarre, sort of cheap looking sitcom. But and maybe it's a credit to him that he still has the ability to rise above the sort of flimsy premise of this show. I can't believe this show like has escaped my notice all these years.

It's so bad, and unfortunately he's a part of it. Heather, you cheated, you know what. He went so hard on the description of the show. Now I remember that Martin Tupper was the name of that lead character. Anyway, Heather, I bet you, I bet you have a movie you don't like.

For the record of all the David Boy performances I've seen, I don't think he's ever given a bad performance. That boy is never the issue, and he's not the issue. And what I'm about to say because one film, and I actually don't think this is a terrible film, but I think it's spotty, and I think it's very uneven, and I think it kind of fails to live up to its potential. And that's absolute beginners. I said it all your old style of audience been put out the pastor in the provinces.

We're no doubt you'll live forever. But down here head is definitely dead because I feel like David Boyce weirdly, even though it's a sizable role, I feel like he's kind of wasted in that movie. Ray Davies section in that movie that was actually the best part of it, and it's only like one song, but it's Ray Davis. And yeah, I totally I fan girl for Ray Davies as well, and so but I'm like, if you have David boy and you barely remember him being in a movie, something has gone wrong. It's like, I will never forget him being in Yellow Beard, and he's in that movie for like for like thirty seconds.

But I do think I do love and I believe that's Julian Temple. I do love Julian Temple as a whole. I think he's great, and I think that film has some great design to it. I don't think it's a terrible film. I think it's interesting.

I just think it's very spotty. So then I'm like, well, what am I gonna pick? And then I'm like Bosquillotte, and I again, I don't think the film is terrible and it's moving at parts because I think the performances as a whole are phenomenal. Like I think I cannot remember the actwr's name right now. The actor that plays Boscot's really good, David Buch, Thank you god.

I can't really forgot that David Boch. I showed that movie in a movie theater projection. Oh nice, nice now I saw it. I saw it in college in a class and I enjoyed it at the time, and I think David Boyce really great as Dandy Warhol. It wasn't sure it was gonna do because I'm a huge Warhol fan.

I've been rereading up on Andy and the whole factory scene since I was a kid. Pretty much. Oh gee, it didn't work very much on these I didn't give you, like five Bruno, you're rich. Maybe you should talk to Bruno. You don't even work on your stuff.

But the reason I'm mentioning it is because of Julian Schnobel, Because this motherfucker loves to say, fu late, and that is where he tampers. And this film has some good stuff to it. It has powerful stuff to it with the acting, and some of the filmmaking is not bad. I will be objective, however, him totally casting this Gary Oldman as the proto Nobyl the proxy novels, and he's so noble, He's so fucking noble, he's so in love with himself. He's about ten people on the planet.

I don't know anything about painting, and andy he's won. You know, your audience isn't even born yet. Julian Schnoebel is the kind of guy that says his own name when he climbaxes. That kind of impurity and the arts I find repellent and repugnant, and I think it's I think his stinch sours all the stuff I love in that movie. So I'm going with Bosquiat.

I have to disagree with you fundamentally. The filmmaking is, in fact quite poor. I was trying to they wandered affair that flick. I don't think it's the worst thing David Bowie is in, though it's a movie we've already spoken about. Heather.

It's yellow terrible. It's that actually is the right answer? Can I change my hair? I changed my answer. It's yellow I don't know.

Oh no, what you're stricken from the record because should hear? It's yeah, Robert Chriscut, you both are terrible yellow Beard. It is like it can't help it be the worst movie because of the incredible array of talent on screen. It should be one of the funniest movies of all time. And the fact is, the bright part of the movie is when David Bowie shows up for two fucking seconds, like as a guy with a with a thin strap to his back, as if he's been out swimming as a shark.

Don't anybody watch it? Look it up on YouTube and watch that one scene in the pump rooms, or listen to the culture Cast episode. It's a good episode. I feel proud of it. I feel like we did a good job.

I have two follow ups. You talked about Absolute Beginners, and I basically agree with everything you said about the movie and his sort of feature. I will say two things though. The theme that he wrote Absolute Beginners is also one of my favorite Bowie songs. I love you Absent Games.

I believe it features Rick Wakeman on the keys, which is kind of a callback to Space Odity. He played the melotron on Space Audity. The other thing I will say about it. When Bowie died in twenty sixteen, I remember, I think it was an engineer from the Absolute from from the Absolute Beginners sessions had posted on YouTube some outtakes from the recording session and it's still up on there. I checked, and it's basically him recording the demo for Absolute Beginners.

And you can hear Bowie on the talkback. He's having a little fun and he says to the guy like, well, okay, let's let's do it back. I'm gonna do some impressions, and he sings the same line about seven or eight times. One time he does it as lou Reed Win five Blue Coal, so she made up the sound with a horse of the sound drive five. One time he does it as Iggy Pop when the wire broo gal for old Grand Model to before and then she beat up the sam with the horse altrack hiling behind he kills.

I mean, some of them are better than others. Not surprisingly, his impressions of lou Reed Iggy Pop are unbelievable. He's so spot on obviously because he knew them so well. But when I think of absolute beginners, I always flashed back to that week where we all learned that he had passed away, and it kind of takes me back to that video. Seek it out if you can.

It's really really fun. Oh my god, we'll totally check that out. Thank you for the hot tip. Oh, we're definitely going to have a Spotify list. We haven't mentioned that yet because I'm running the show and I'm lazy, But make sure you go to our episode description listeners to hear all of the songs you've heard mentioned so far.

Now we have one more topic to go, but wait under the moon line, the serious more line lie quiz to Yes. I'm so excited about everybody ready for quiz? Hell yeah, I think so? Oh baby, me too. Now, this isn't going to be like a free for all.

I'm I'm gonna throw out a question and have you both buzz in. I think I'm gonna ask Heather a question. I'm gonna ask HP a question one after another. They're gonna start out pretty easy, they're gonna get harder, little spot Heather, I'm not ultimately sure of your knowledge of David Bowie. I'm well aware of HP's near fucking fanatical knowledge of David Bowie, so maybe I've tilted the question.

It's a little bit harder to him. Okay, don't you know what, I'm old. All this knowledge has left my brain. Okay, come on, Al Jolson? You ain't You are not old, You're not old?

Could you just call me Al Jolson? All right, Heather, We're gonna start with you. True or false? David Bowie was raised in Lincoln, Nebraska. Are you shitting me?

False? False? HP Bowie character Major Tom appears in three songs. Name them ah Will Space Oudity one, Ashes to Ashes two and Peter Shillings Major Tom Coming Home. That's a David Bowie song.

Incorrect now failure one for Heather, Hold hold on, hold on? What's what's the third song? I'm right by the I'm right by the way. You're not Hallo Spaceboy ninety six ninety six, Thank you Boo. I'm right next, Heather.

Yes, the future Ziggy Stardust changed his name to David Bowie to avoid confusion with the monkeys Mike and Nesmuth. That's false because he changed his name because his name the original name is David Jones. Jones Another point for Heather hp oh. He appeared in ten bands, sometimes under an assumed name. That's over the length of his career.

Okay, name them? Okay. So there's the Spiders from Mars. There's Tin Machine. God, I'm blowing it.

I haven't even gotten that far. I sorry, you want to hint? Sure, too bad. Conrad's, the Hooker Brothers, the King B's, the Manish Boys, the Lower Third, the Buzz, the Riot Squad, the Hype, the dow Jones Index. I should have gotten the Manish Boys and the Hype.

I'm embarrassed, move on, please, all right, Heather. In nineteen sixty nine, Bowie formed his own mime troop name it was it Flowers? Oh so cos Feather? Oh God, damn it. Father, Say all right, the joke is over.

I'm not just gonna give you fucking softballs anymore? All right? Uh? Okay? HP ready, Yes, Yes.

Frequent Bowie keyboardist Rick Wakeman says he met with Bowie in late June of nineteen seventy one, where Bowie played him demos. Quote. He played the finest selection of songs I have ever heard in one sitting in my entire life. I couldn't wait to get into the studio and record them. Where did they meet?

I've known this, I will say. I know that Rick wake this is trivia for you. I know Rick Wakeman's favorite tavern was called the White Heart. I'm going to say the white Heart Tavern. I'm sorry.

The answer is Hadden Hall Hadden. Can we give him half a point for having random like Rick Wakeman, I'll give him. I'll give him. I'll give him a full point if he can name the two tracks that he played for him. But oh, they must have come off of the first album I've heard this before, probably Wild Eyed Boy from Free Cloud and Memories of a Free Festival.

Oh, it was changes in Life on Mars Shit, I should have gotten life on Mars Christ you should have all right, Heather, I ready, I'm ready Forraddy. You think Bowie was a selfish lover, No, I think I think I think he was. I mean he had girls, digmatized and some dudes, so I think he was a very attentive lover and he probably was willing to go downtown. I think he was generous at times, but was also very very selfish. But it was okay.

Because it was him exactly, which I don't think is selfish. I think if you're if the other partner is satisfied and down, that's not really selfish as it, because everybody's having a good time. HP The Outside album cover art from nineteen nineteen ninety five by David Bowie himself in the painting bonus. If you can name the medium? Was it called leon?

No? Was it oil on canvas? No? Well, it's my least favorite album, so I plead the fifth head of dB acrylic acrylic on canvas that looks so good for crilic Lovely. Heather Iman has a tattoo on her ankle as a tribute to her husband.

Name it? Is it his initials? I actually don't know those. This is me just guessing. I've never seen this tattoo.

HP. Can you can jump in and get a point on the board. Is it called husband? That'd be amazing you like my tattoo? It just I don't know.

It's a Bowie knife. She has a it's actually kind of lame, but yeah, yeah, I kind of you know what it is though, She's like, yeah, that's something I'm never mind. I was gonna make a Roland more cock choke. Please do Oh, I'm sorry. All right, Well that's the end.

Heather one HB. I'm very disappointed. I'm disappointed in myself. I I I should there's a few easy not easy, but there's a few pieces of answers I should have gotten. I don't know.

I have no excuse. The only Rick Wakeman I can come up with is the Fleshtones have a song called Rick Wakeman's Cape. So he wrote a book. He actually wrote several books, but he wrote a book called Grumpy Old Rock Star that I actually would highly recommend. It's a lot, it's it's funny.

He talks about doing King Arthur on ice and a heart attack during the performance. It's a really good book, and a lot of my Rick Wakeman knowledge comes from that book. All right, Listen, he didn't live in a vacuum that we know of. The man collaborated, he had inspirations, he had bandmates, he had rivals, and he helped produce some of the finest music of the twentieth century. No hyperbole.

Whether that was through songwriting or producing or duetting, the field is wide open. Here, what's your favorite Bowie collaboration. I'm going to start with you heav' Oh my gosh, yet yet again another toughie I had, I had, and McK ronson's one of my runner ups. I have two runner ups, him and Tony Visconti because Visconti's work as producer I think is I mean again just part parcel of getting the boy that really started planning the seeds out there. But I had to go with THEO.

I mean, it's I'm the work with O just that was oh, I mean I was already he already boy, already had my heart, he got my soul with the work with THEO. I mean, just some of the most tremendous innovative like musical work and collaboration of the seventies with those batch of albums. I also think Brian Eno in general in the seventies such a tremendous figure as a solo artist. And if you be my thoughts, I got off the man I used to said, you fuck stuff, and that's what's maybe he's being re used to. And especially like we're talking like androgynist Scullt bisexual.

I don't know if he really was bisexual, but very like bi sexual adjacent because he was just like, uh, my favorite period of you know, and I like to pretend that Eno went into hiding and never worked with Coldplay or U two for the record, I like to I just want to live in that little shell of an existence there. But but yeah, I mean, and those two Titans, because David Bori is a Titan already and him coming together with Brian Eno, I mean, how could magic not be made? It was just what I think of songs. I think of some of the most in the seventies. It's so much, so much music that was phenomenal.

But those basically all of those Berlin albums with Eno just perfection, absolute sonic perfection. Then they're they're like tattooed in my in my vena cava in my veins. It's part of my DNA. I absolutely love it. So I gotta go with my Mannino.

Excellent choice, hb counterpoint, It's such an excellent choice. It's the choice that I made as well. It's Brian. Now, I will say, before I get to that, I might run a round up. Was going to be Lou Reid just for another reason for the album Transformer, which in my mind is as much Bowie's achievement as it is Lou Reed's but but yeah, I echo everything you said Heather about Brian, you know, and more.

For me, it's it's all about I mean, I spent all this time tearing down the Outside album, which is a big Eno collaboration. But for me, I'm going back to what you said about the Berlin Trilogy, which is Low, Heroes, and Lodger, which are three of my favorites. I love the spirit of experimentation on all of those albums. I love how ambient and texturally interesting they are. And part of that good, you know, has to go the credit has to go to folks like Robert Fripp and obviously Tony's Tony Visconti and so on.

But but you know, is he He came in on Low and his influence kind of peaked with Heroes, and one of the things, one of the sort of bits of trivia, he used what are called oblique strategy cards. I don't know if you guys are familiar with them. I tell our listeners what that oblique strategies. It's a deck of cards like you would get you would find in a board game that you know, would have that we're supposed to spur greater creativity and help people break themselves out of like a rut or like a writer's block, if you will. They were described as quote, part fortune cookie, part Monopoly chance cards.

I looked up these cards before the show just because I've always been curious what did they say? What? You know, because they brought up a lot and I found a few of my favorites are. One of them is idiot Glee. Two words, Idiot Glee.

You're supposed to present this card to somebody and help break them out of whatever stasis creatively they're in. Another one says, quote a line has two sides, and yet another one says, change nothing and continue with immaculate sits and sty These were cards, like I said, that Eno would hand out to the musicians and spur them into different directions. They wouldn't necessarily have been on famously. I know on Lodge, I think the song Boys keep Swinging. He had the drummer and the bass player switch instruments Boys Boys.

But those three albums, Low Heroes and Lodger are the ones that I keep returning to over the years, and in my mind, just as I said for lou Reed and Transformer, these are as much ENO's achievements as they are Bowies, so my pick is Ino. How about you follow them alone? What is your Did you pick Brian Eno as well? That's what everybody it's going to be. No, it's not.

I'm not gonna mention my runners up because when I went to tell my girlfriend am for the finalists, I gave her the first option and she looked at me like I was proof of life on Mars. As if there were any other choices for me, you gotta tell us the runner up. Then. No. From nineteen seventy two's Transformer Satellite of Love, Lou Reed nice, you mentioned the album as you're a runner up.

This is There is no other collaboration as far as I'm concerned than this album and Bowie's influence on it. Now obviously like lou Reid wrote it, wrote the song when he was still in the Velvet Underground. They recorded a demo of it which somehow did not end up unloaded, and thank god it didn't. Sad, A lot of sad. Lot of the structure is the same.

Most of the lyrics correspond. You can hear it. I'm gonna put it up, We're gonna have it on the Spotify playlist. You can hear the original Velvet Underground. What that song their version lacks is the divine.

Bowie makes the song sore. No, that's actually incorrect, because that would that would be lie forward momentum. This it's airy and it feels like gravity is being defined on the song side note, every time I get on an airplane and we're taking off, I play Satellite of Love without fail for years and years and years, I honestly can't imagine a better soundtrack to watch the Earth drop away, satellite Satellite of long sad line. I've been told that you've been bold with ha again. John Bowie turned what was a shaggy rock tune into a song for the age is.

It lays a lush bed behind the vocals. It frames the lyrics, which have been revamped stupendously here by the way Wincoln Blincoln and nod Yees Lou. It doesn't have to be about the people, you know. You can just make up characters anyway. Ostensibly about a guy who's fixating on TV in the space race because his girlfriend is flagrantly unfaithful, And it's definitely that in the demo form, but honestly, in the Bowie version, let me put it this way, the Velvet Underground version is Walter Mittie and the lou Reed David Bowie version is Jonathan Price at the end of Brazil both and pathetically, but Brazil is so fucking gorgeous.

Plus on top of all of that, once you realize that that's Bowie in the background, you will never unhear it. You'll never hear the song the same way again, and you will be staggered by his creed. He fhone settos that he's pulling off as the song crescendos. Sat anyway, Satellite Love, I have only one choice for collaboration. That's it.

That's I love that pick. It reminds me when I saw Lou Reid at Great Woods in ninety two. I think it was he was on he was touring behind the Magic and Loss album, which is actually a pretty good album, and one of one of the disappointments that I recall time was he did not do Satellite of Love. He did do Walk on the wild Side, because I think Mark Wahlberg's like the song that he did that sampled. It was pretty pop and it was his way of taking back the song which was sampled, but he did not do Satellite of Love.

He did the Sweet Jane no Satellite of Love. So I was bummed. Oh man, I'm bummed because I never got to see him. Why at least you got to see Lou That's awesome. Oh HP went to the fucking Glass Spider Tour.

What no no, well, no, no no, I didn't go to the Glass Spider Tour, and I should have brought this up earlier. I did. However, I did go to the Sounded Vision Tour. It was my first show. Actually, Bowie was the very first concert that I went to, and it was July twenty first, nineteen ninety.

And the reason why I will always know that date is because the same day was when Roger Waters did The Wall live in Berlin remembere the Berlin Wall came down because on the way home, I remember my dad picked us up and we were driving home and they were rebroadcasting it on WBC at the time. But yeah, that was my first show and it knocked me on my ass. It was beautifully staged, carl It was I want to say, Adrian Blue was on guitar, which was pretty cool. That's cool, dude. Yeah, And I believe Carlos Alomar was still in the band at that time.

The cool, the see the thing of it is, so I was lucky enough that Reiko Disc had picked up Bowie's legacy catalog when I was in high school and they were releasing them basically sequentially with all these great bonus tracks, and and Father Malone mentioned this in the last episode when he talked about Morphine. Morphine was also on Racho Disc. So Reco Disc was a label out of Salem. It was silly as a kid, but there was something kind of cool about the fact that Bowie was on the label of like, you know, a local sort of record label. I don't know, it was something kind of cool about it, and discovering his his back catalog through this incredible reissue program.

And it was a special tour date because I think he got like the gold record for Changes Bowie, which was a huge record for him at the time. It was like the first record of his new deal with Riicho Disc, and you know, it's all the classics. So so yeah, I didn't see Glass Spider. That was a little you know, ahead of my time or before my time, but but yeah, Sound and Vision nineteen ninety that was I was never the same after that. That's amazing.

Holy shit. I will say, there's a on YouTube. It should still be there. There's there's video of the Glass Spider tour. And even though that's not like a great period musically for David, like in my opinion, that tour is fucking phenomenal, Like, holy shit, well it's cool.

Peter Frampton was in the band, which I thought was actually a pretty cool move at the time because the guy could play guitar. Oh and he had he had, and he had a history with Bowie. Really Bowie kind of like gave his career a boost because he was going nowhere at the time, so for him to be asked to join the band was pretty slick. Boie had a knack of, you know, finding these people either before they hit or giving them a shot, like Stevie or Avon on Let's Dance. Of course, Tina Turner on on on Tonight, you know she was just you know, becoming Tina Turner with Private Dancer.

So he was ahead of the curve in a lot of ways. Oh gosh. Always yeah. Also, one of the dancers in the Glass Spiders tour is Fast Attack And for anybody who's a fan of Devo. You should know that name because he is the amazing punk rock dancer and the music video for Satisfaction.

I did not notice Look Looks got all the Lucas got the trivia. Now to Tony Basil was the choreographer for the Glass Spider Tour and she dated Jerry Cassali from Devo. I got a lot of Devo trivia. As much as I love David boy, I probably know a little more trivia once about TiVo, but your interests have intersected at this very moment. Yeah, it's it's perfect, but that's so cool.

You got to see that tour. Guys, Not every duo is Laurel and Hardy. Sometimes it's the two corries after dream a Little Dream. Such are the occasional pairings of David Bowie. Worst collaborations, Hey there, we'll go with you.

Well, to quote a collaboration that did work, which was Franz Ferdinand and Sparks. They did a song called collaborations don't Work, They don't work, they don't work. And for me this was again I love how all of this was so hard. By the way, this was like such a great challenge, like as an episode because most of David like everything. David Boy touched so much greatness.

There's so much killer, not that much filler, but the filler is there. And I'm gonna have to make this a tie, and I imagine one of you guys have to have. There's gonna be some intersection. It's a time. And for me to tie is between Mick Jagger with Dancing in the Streets, which is an abomination of not only against God, but against you know, Martha and the Vandellas.

Swing and swing Dan in those speed doesn't matter too mad, come my God soon, dance in those steed. It's also like, these are two artists I love like I you know, I mean like I I love David Boy Moore, but I love the Stones like thrilling Stones. I mean, it's some absolute just amazing, grotty, dirty, sleazy rock and roll. Mick Jagger's fucking amazing and performance they too. They were allegedly lovers, but I don't, I don't.

I did not hear any passion in this. I just hear just obnoxious MTV overproduced pap It's not good. Tied with that is the Little Drummer Boy cover with Bing Crosby. It's just ever played. I don't.

I don't have hate for it, I just don't care for it. I don't even like that song as a Christmas song, to be honest, and I mean as beautiful as boys vocal is on it, and his vocal it's usually as gorgeous. I don't like being Crosby. All I can think about is just how he beat his kids, Like that's all I can hear, That's all I get hear. It's just like, oh God, this man was a nightmare.

And I can separate the art from artists and other cases, but I can't with being Crosby, but dancing in the streets, especially for any of us that grew up with MTV, you couldn't escape it. It was like the herpies of covers. It would not go away. Like I'd be like more penicillin, give me all the penicillin. Nope, it's still there.

It's still fucking there, along with we are the world people. MTV was overrated. Okay, that's all America. Yeah, that's bas you back in the US is summer, Like I know, wait, I know what because it played that much. I haven't voluntarily watched that since I was a kid.

But it's there. It's there, fresh in my brain. But AnyWho, enough of my bally whoo and bombasted of negativity, HP, what is your least favorite David Boy collaboration? To nobody's surprise, again, we concur there's only one choice as far as I'm concerned, and that is dancing in the street with Big Jagger. Now I get it.

I know that it was it was for a good cause, it was for live aid. It was rush recorded and filmed so that they could broadcast it during the big concert. And that's and that's fine. I I can appreciate the fact that they had noble intent, But the in the video has been a punching bag for decades, but in this case it's deservedly so. The image of Bowie and Jagger kind of shimmying and grinding their way around an abandoned factory at night, it's still haunts me to this day.

And as and it's a cliche, but just like father alone, you know, South America, I just hate that and and I and I rewatched it before, you know, for the show, and it's just it's aged like fine milk over the years. It's just so it was already cheap by eighties standards, and it's only gotten worse over time. I I I, and I also I do agree with you on some of your points about the Little Drummer Boy. I think it was an easy not not a way for people to be edgy, but it was a way for people to feel clever around the holidays, and like, oh no, this is a version of Little Drummer Boy you've never heard before. This has but it's it's become the norm and not the exception.

So yeah, it's it's it's I don't think it's as bad as dancing in the street though. That's like I said, there's only one answer in my mind, and it's this. I agree, there is only one answer. That answer is a little drummer boy. Jesus fucking no top to bottom though, oh my child and your child to look.

It was a way for Bowie to attempt to normalize himself in the in the hearts and minds of people at Christmas time. Right, It isn't make up. David Bowie's got a little he doesn't want to be there, he doesn't want to be singing the song. His part of the song is made up. Little Drummer Boy does not have a counterpoint the peace on Earth.

That's a whole other thing that they just grafted on for it. I fucking hate it. I think of Bing Crosby smacking around his kids too. Actually, when I think of Bing Crosby, I think of Phil Hartman saying, I can a pistol it a pup show? Oh man, no, I have to deal with THEO.

That was great. That was the dream Malcolm Jamal Warner his dream sequence. That was awesome. Crosby show. I've never enjoyed it.

At Christmas. I dread hearing it. I hate looking at them on the in the old film, with that gaussy way to seventies haze floating around them like auras. It's it looks like uncomfortable. They don't like, they don't seem like they get along at all.

It's like the anti Christmas and that way. I guess I like it, but oh man, no, never again that I think you're right. It does the one and it's not a positive. But they do like they do seem to have like the chemistry that like relatives that hate each other do at family at Christmas time. So, and there's a part of the very beginning where they're kind of they're talking before they they're they're making small talk before they start singing, and and Bowie says something to the effect of, well, you know, we have a lot of the same traditions that you have.

You know, we we do the Christmas tree and we sing songs with the And I can't up thinking when I'm watching this, like, you know, he's not even on the same planet as his family over the Christmas holidays. He's off, you know, like doing cocaine and recording the station to station around that time. So yeah, I think it's it's kind of an interesting bid for him to seem like a family man in a funny way, and nothing could be further from the truth. I mean, he's he is this weird alien, you know, creature who's singing a song with the pipe smoking, you know, bing Crosby, the child beating bing Crosby. I would, I would agree with all of you that that it has some merit.

Had the thin white duke showed up at that session. I agree with you about smacking your children around. We've reached the end of the Bowie road. We've barely scratched the surface on bow We're gonna have to come back to him again. We'll actually talk about the music at some point.

Yes, so we're gonna have to say goodbye to everybody. But before we do that, what are our fellow junkies up to? I'm gonna start with you, Heather, what have you been up to lately? Oh? Goodness?

Well, speaking of the weirding Way media, and we mentioned him earlier, our brother from Another Mother, Christachue, and I recently on culture Cast talked about Avery Crowns's nineteen eighty three folk horror masterpiece Eyes of Fire, So definitely give that a listen. You can also hear my dulcet tones on an upcoming release of Michael Finlay's proto slasher slash art house slash grindhouse masterpiece, The Flesh Trilogy. I did three audio commentary tracks, one for each film as well. There's an essay I contributed not right next to Lisa Pertrucci, the goddess of Something Weird Video, and Liz Purchell, who's a great film historian, and she's behind the podcast and project Ask anybody, and of course if you follow me on Patreon, which is all everything I do is under Epmondo Heather.

I recently did an article about a song I mentioned on our last episode, which is Genesis Watcher of the Skies and so yeah, but for you know, enough enough of my shortling, my my, my, Folo Balloo and coockery. You could find all of my sundrys at linktree dot com, Forward slash Wondoheather Mister, same question. Well, you can also find me among the galaxy of stars on the weirding Way Network. I mainly do the night Mister Walters Taxi podcast with my esteemed brother in arms Father Alone. I am an occasional culture cast guest with Chris Dashu and very happy to do that.

You can also find me on a band camp on band camp. I have a site there. It's a hpmusicplace dot bandcamp dot com. Not a lot up there, but you know what, if you want to just get a hold of some weird audio stuff, you can go there. I'm hoping to get more stuff up there soon, but so yeah, that's where you can How about yourself, follom alone?

Where can people hear you? I think if people want to hear more of your stuff, they can hear it on some of my stuff. Check out my show Dark Destinations. It's half hour radio drama that I write and produced at HP does all the incidental music for and main themes for it. So there's some fucking great stuff in that.

You can hear that at weirdingwaymedia dot com as well as midnight viewing. We're currently looking at rod Serlings, a night gallery. We're actually wrapping it up pretty soon. All right, ladies and gentleman, thank you so much for joining us here at the Noise Junkies. I don't have a sign off or anything, but we'll catch you next time.

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