Noise Junkies - Influences

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The Night Gallery podcast at Weirdingwaymedia dot com doesn't remotely belong to me. I have no proprietary interest in that at all. Weird Ingway Media, Hello everybody, and welcome to the inaugural episode of Noise Juckies, and we, in fact are your Noise Chuckies. I'm Heather Drane. I am a writer, I've been on a number of podcasts, and I am of course super into music.

As you may have gathered, and joining me are my brothers, my comrades and arms. Here we have mister Father alone. Hey everybody. Yeah, I mostly do podcasts, so h there's that. And then I drive a car and I listen to music.

I love music. It's a passion of mine. I'm happy to be here. Thank you. He's also has an amazing YouTube channel and I highly recommend everybody check out his work and my other comrade, the Wonderful, the Effusive, the Luminescence HP sir.

Thank you here. What an intro. Thank you so much, Heather. It's great to be here when I'm not, but I'm not I'm not nine to five Nicol and Diamond. I do podcasting as well, a lot of them with our esteemed colleague Father Alone.

You can hear us on the band a Check podcast on night, mister Walters Taxi podcast, and I do culture cast and all kinds of casting and just happy to be here. Fly casting, that's right, I'm not exactly fly casting and shadow casting too. I do that a lot, oh yeah, like, but but not Rocky Harror like some other sort of random flick Harold and Maud shadow cast, right, that's much better. Than twelve angry men. Absolutely, Actually, twelve angry men is great.

You just sit there like in front of the screen for two hours. Well, um, there will be no twelve angry men tonight on this episode of Noise Junkies, but we are going to that this episode. Since it is our first one, we decided we wanted to kind of make it sort of get to know us a little bit. Um. All three of us love.

We are music has It's funny because I know at least well yeah, even with HP, like you, you and Father Malone do the Banachek podcasts. The three of us have been on culture casts together, like I think, I think it saves to save that three of us probably in some ways tend to get associated more with like say film and TV um certainly, and yeah, Father Malone's only hosted and edited like eight eleven d like podcasts over the years, so all television too. It's weird. It's not even my favorite medium. I think all of us are late.

Well, we love music and in fact, you know, the amazing theme song you hear is courtesy of HP. Thank you a resident genius. I think in some ways, I mean, obviously, like you said, we are all big you know, cinephiles. But I think in some ways music is kind of our first love in a way because I feel like we you know, but before you really understand what film is and really develop a flavor for that, you're listening to music. You're hearing it in your car when your folkus are driving you around.

We grew up with MTV, so this is um very much near and dear to our hearts, I think, and it's it's going to be special, something different from the usual film and TV podcasting that we do. Absolutely and I know like for me, music and I guess this is where we can kind of go into our journey. Like music has always been one of the biggest forces in my life. Um, whether I'm writing, I always have music going. I music is something that has just gotten me through I mean film and certainly writing and reading too, but music is the life's blood.

Um And in fact, like my I don't even I was too little to remember this, but my mother actually has stories about me being in the high chair and as a baby and singing to like Laura by Brandigan's Gloria and pronouncing it grahawk because I'm a baby indiction. I couldn't help it supposed to be nuanced. Yeah, and I and rapture like Blondie's Rapture. I'd like try to wrap along to the like I Some of my earliest memories are either you know, with a book in my lap or going through my mother's like LP collection and uh, just she had a forty five of a Van Halen's Panama and that that shit got me spinning, like I didn't know how to dance, and I really still don't know how to dance, but I would just like run in a circle, like in a Mad Farrety circle, just so excited.

Like music just to this day it's still just like gets me going. And you know, I think, you know, the great thing is all kinds of music can take you on such a journey that's within an outside of yourself at the same time, and it's just such a special thing. But I mean, what is what has it been for you guys? So yeah, I had very similar kind of formative experiences. I sort of alluded to the fact, you know, a lot of my early memories are just kind of being driven around by my mom here and there.

My dad was away a lot for work, so she was really kind of like the primary like chauffeur. When you're a kid, you need to be taken to the mall or to whatever you know store, and you know, she always had music on and it wasn't it obviously wasn't a conscious choice for her to program certain musical styles or genres, but that's kind of I would say. You know, initially she was listening to a lot of the adult contemporary stations of the day, so I heard a lot of stuff that like Steely Dan. I remember earliest memory hearing like Donald Fagan. I think he had his first solo album, the Night Fly, which was like the album for me.

It was kind of like the first album that I really kind of gravitated towards, the first album that I ever bought. I remember. I remember I got on cassette. I got Hollow Oates Private Eyes, which was really big on MTV at that time. And I remember my oldest brother, I have two older brothers, and he had one of the first walkman, remember the little silver Walkman, And it was the first time I remember putting the headphones on, those little orange headphones and hearing music in stereo was a big deal to me because everything up to that point was all my know.

TVs then didn't have they weren't in stereo, they didn't broadcast in stereo. So I remember hearing like all these little, you know, bits and pieces and instrumentation all over the stereo spectrum and it it really it kind of freaked me out as a kid. I didn't know you could do stuff like that, or it could really you know, it sounded like the band was in the room with me kind of in a weird way, and I never heard music the same way again. It really excited me. So, you know, a lot of like I said, adult contemporary, but then as I got older, got into things like the usual suburban sort of rock of the day.

I think David Lee, Roth Era Van Halen. You mentioned Panama. I remember nineteen eight Before was a huge album when I was in grade school. That was like the thing I remember like Billy Squire. I remember going to a friend's house and his older brothers in this dimly lit basement like something out of a movie, and I walked down there and the Stroke was playing and it out like, wow, this is really heavy, Like you know, I I this is this is very very mysterious and kind of cool, but a little.

It felt dangerous, silly because if you think of like Billy Squire, he's not especially tough dude. But it just felt very heavy and the album was badass, like everyone remembers the pink shirt dancing around. But that was a great album and it rocked hard. I'm sorry. In the Dark, Yeah, in the Dark is amazing.

In the Dark is the best led Zeppelin song that Zeppelin never did. I like it better than Zeppelin. That's that it because he had I don't His drummer was basically like Bonham, like Reborn. It's amazing. It's it's called Don't Say No.

I believe it's the name of that album. And it's anyway, all of these things, like the mystery of music was really impressed upon me at an early age, and it just felt like there was this endless possibilities and and you know could take you, like you said, on a journey and really make you, you know, move you in certain way. It could make you happy, It could make you said, could make you meg and make you feel like you wanted to like just go crazy and do something nutty. So yeah, and that's like I said. Music ever since then has been a real big part of I've always gotten music on.

Whether I'm working in my office or just in the car, I've always got to happen music on. The kids will tell you, well, how about you, father Malone, what about your formative musical experiences? You know what's funny, We're doing this podcast separate ourselves from the myriad music, television and movie podcast. But thinking back to my experiences with music as far back as I can literally remember, most of my musical experiences were very much tied to movies and television shows, just from from a very young age. And not the first album I purchased myself, but the first album I remember asking for my family were we were at a flea market, the Revere Drive in flea market, and it was it must have been around like nineteen eight eighty one, so it was probably seven or something, and there was two vendors facing each other, one who was selling records and one who was selling toys.

And the one who was selling toys was selling this like submersible craft with a with like an action man who would go in it like a skin diver, and it had claw like a giant claw, and an octopus or rubber octopus that came with it, and across the way the other vendor had an LP of the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack, and I insisted on having the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack, and to the chagrin of my mother, she could not fathom pun intended that I did not want submersible. She was like, I would take this, I would take the summer, and she said, like, we had a swimming pool and everything, so it would have been the perfect toy for summer. But all summer long, I thought about that scuba diver and I thought, I'm so much happier here in my darkened room listening to this record album.

Most of my journey with music tends to come from movies. In fact, like my favorite bands in the world, I probably heard for the first time in a film. My favorite band then now forever, We'll always be the Cramps, and I first heard them in the Return of Living Dad, Surf and Dead, and then almost immediately on top of that, Googu Muck, which is now currently a big thing, but that appeared in Texas Chainsaw Massacre too, and like after that sort of one two punch, I ran out and bought everything I could of them. But now back to sort of the formation of that. Like my love of that particular band, I think comes from the fact that my mother had a very good record collection, mostly Beatles and show tunes and stuff.

My father's was forty fives, mainly sort of Elvis and Carl Perkins and a whole lot of rockabilly and put those two together and you get the Cramps. So I mean, that's the music sort of interested me the most, and those are my sort of experiences growing up with them. And plus like mute my movie taste. Like you know, I had an irresponsible group of older cousins who dragged me to all the movies that I shouldn't have seen. But in my neighborhood, the neighborhood, you know, there was like fifteen twenty kids it seemed, and they were all teenagers and I was a tiny kid.

And all of the cool kids that I hung out with, we're listening to a CDC and they were listening to Aerosmith and although the early sort of heavy metal bands. So there's that part of me. I don't know, guys, I love music, no, and I think it's important. I'm sorry. One thing I did want to kind of call out that I think is great about this show, and just what I know about working with you guys is that this is very much a judgment free zone because I know, as far as I'm concerned, you know a lot of what I love musically, I would not classify it as cool or edgy or you know, of the day.

But that's you can't you know music. You love the music you love, regardless of the reason. You don't necessarily or maybe I don't think you should love music only because it's cool and you you're you're concerned with what people think about your musical tastes. You love what you love. I mean in in the in the dark of your car driving home at night, I don't care if you're listening to like a Frank Sinatra album or The Carpenters.

It doesn't matter if it moves you. If it's important to you and it makes you feel something, then I think it doesn't matter what you're listening to as long as you as long as you love it, are you implaying The Carpenters aren't cool? No, I'm just saying some people may not consider them cool or like, Well, we'll get to those people. We get time for those people. We're gonna before unceremoniously cut you off.

First of all, HP, did you mean to say in the dark of your car in the dark like that is a great callback. I wish I could stand is smart enough to make that call back. But no, But that's a Father Malone's point. It's a it's a fucking great album. But like I said, I don't care.

You could listen to fucking Eaty Gourmet. I don't care. If you love it, you love it, I love it Gourmet. Uh. That was the huge appeal too, because I think all of us are truly musical omnivores, which is exciting, and I think each one of us have like there's some each one of us have strong points and some of a match.

Like Father Malone talk about The Cramps, I consider The Cramps one of the bands that kind of I say this a little dramatic, but I discover them as a teenager and the kind of saved my life, to be honest, like it felt like I you know, music was one of those things that to me is like one of those sort of like points of light when you need them, and especially I think growing up where you especially you know if you're missed it and you don't fit in and you're just it's like you hatched out weird. And when you get older you realize it's a good thing. But you know, when you're still like a little forming person and you know, maybe aren't growing up in the most enlightened area that's existing is not easy.

But discovering things like the Cramps, I feel like I found a part of my DNA. I feel like I found like, oh, this is tribe, Like this isn't just me. And what I love hearing about with you guys is the music that kind of like you know, attracted you as as kids, especially because it's almost it's such a you know, such a primal thing when you're that young, because you're too young to really have any airs of like, oh this is what I listened to. It's just instinctive. It's just raw instinct and and I love that.

And I you know, and for me, like, I'm so lucky because my mother, like and my mother's still a huge music I mean I literally will make her playlists on Spotify and send them to her that are just for her, Like I make her little mixtapes. But she's always listened all kinds of music. Now some of it I didn't care for. The woman played a lot of toe toe. I love that.

I say it like that Toto, Toto, y'all say it like that way forever now, Tote. I'm not talking about that dog. I'm referring to the band at Toto like Firefault. But the thing I love my mom is she also played a lot of ac DC. You know, she had listened to old gospel music and bluegrass and you know, and then like I had my grandparents who listened to like old country, and I you know, at an early age, I loved Hank Senior.

And yeah, I loved Hank Senior. And then I remember, like I've always had insomnia, and when we got cable, I would just wander up, couldn't sleep by go in the living room and be like, oh, what's on? And I remember hearing the B fifty twos like for the first time, and it was actually the Channel Z, so this is actually what they'll come back? Like. I never got to hear any of the until when I got into them then.

And the only place to buy music where I grew up, which was Springdale, was Walmart. So but they had hey, they had but they had discount tapes and they had the first two P fifty twos albums and I immediately gobbled this up, played them incessantly, and you know, and I remember like seeing Susie the Banshee spell Um I was Peekaboo on MTV, and it was almost that same thing with Panama, where I just felt like this like surge of like, oh my god, this is the greatest thing and you know, which is a sign that even then I was I was a little goth and I didn't know it that uh yeah, and just but I love the fact that like all three of us have these like connective and some of it's you know, and none of it even if somebody's like, oh, that's cool, it wasn't cool probably for any of us at the time, and especially when you're into different types of music, because like you know, some you know, I knew metal heads growing up that if they if you were listening to Abba or whatever, yeah, they'd be like, oh, you know if I said, for I actually knew a guy that was supposedly into punk rock in high school that said I scared him because a I didn't look punk whatever that means.

Real punk rock is not codified for the record, that's the most punk rock thing to do was just be yourself. But but also like I was into Devo and he saw like the cover of the hardcore Devo comps at at then and then we had another music store at this place called Crossroads, and it's like Devo and little like black boxer short type shorts, like shorty shorts and like fake women's breasts. And it sucks with him because he was a wheenie. Well even I will say, it's funny you say that, because I'm going to lead up to something here. So I'm like, I feel pretty like lucky in a way because Father Malone and I, you know, and and and you also we grew up with MTV when MTV was really music television, so it was it was kind of nice to just be able to, you know, turn on your TV and and just see and and there were there was a time when you could see just about anything on there, including I remember, like I remember Diva.

I remember seeing the video for Whip It and as as a little I must have been like I don't know, nine or ten maybe, and it was kind of a it was kind of a freaky video to see, you know, there's a lot of weird, jerky motions. And they had another video I don't remember. I think it might have been Freedom of Choice is where where there's a baby putting a fork in a toaster and it's that's Satisfact the cover of Satisfaction, and they did and they did a cover of are You Experience where Jimmie Hendricks comes out of a coffin and plays a solo. They it was very weird, you know, it was kind of enlightening and eye opening and not a little freaky as a kid to see all of this, but I'm grateful that it exposed me to a lot of music that I would not even not just like the stuff that was popular, like Michael Jackson and Van Halen and the things that were ubiquitous at the time, but certainly, you know, there's I would never have come across Devough because that wasn't the radio that we listened to.

That wasn't on the radio the stations we listened to, So it was kind of nice to have that. That's sort of, you know, for the lack of a term video jukebox, I know that was the original intent of MTV, but it was kind of I feel a little privileged to be able to be exposed to that, because now it's everything is so much on demand. Like back then you had like they had premieres and you had to wait, you know, for the premiere of whatever video was going to happen. If you missed it, you may maybe you recorded on on a VHS or something. But now you can just dial up you know, Spotify or go to YouTube and everything is just there and there's no working for it.

You know. It's kind of part of like I think being a fan, part of the agony and ecstasy is seeking out these things that you love. But it's so easy now, right you don't have to go to a special store or in Boston down a flight of steps like this, you know, and he's talking about a stark called Stairway to Heaven, which is yeah, or which which is comics. But like, you know, you really had to work for your fandom to a to a degree if you really, like you said, we were musical omnivores. And like when I when I get into something, Father Malone will tell you if I dive in with both feet and I have to like like when I got into Bowie, I had to get everything that Bowie ever did all at once and dive into his catalog, and now it's so easy to do that and sometimes not to get sidetracked.

But sometimes I wonder if that if something, a little something is lost in the fact that you don't have to work for your fandom as much. You know, it's not as as it doesn't feel as urgent as it did back then. We can't we can't say, like those whatever kids are finding their their way here, struggling in their own way, Like I'm not going to be the old man telling them to get off my lawn just because I had to fucking seek out but buying to get my hands on just like a cramp sticker, you know, but you would have to make a pilgrimage to some sort of record start to like make that happen. But I do think that music people are going to search things out so sort of anyway. I mean, it's a boom that it's all so readily available these days, you know, certainly for us.

Well you said earlier something that I find very very true, which is as much as you can sort of trace your influences and you can, you know, I like this band because my dad liked it, or I like this band because my sister or whomever. Like, at a certain point, the music just chooses you, and I think that's the wonderful thing about it. Speaking to what you said, Harris, like thank god for him TV, because the local radio stations weren't playing Devo. I mean, you know, occasionally like WFNX maybe or something, but like it wasn't like in the zeitgeist necessarily not yet, Like you know, I was so enamored of Wall of Voodoo, a new wave country band like like and that doesn't really make too much sense in my head, like, but I loved them, and thank God, like we had access to it, and one of those one of those moments where it seems that the music is grabbing hold of you and not the other way around, like you're not sneaking up on it.

The first album I ever bought was in nineteen eighty three with my allowance, and I had a hard time differentiating which one it was because I bought two albums that year. One was Pyromania by def Leppard, but the album I bought proceeding that was Synchronicity by the Police. And that's one hundred percent because of MTV. Because those videos were endless, endlessly rotated, and it wasn't Every Breath You Take was the big single from from that album, but Wrapped Around Your Finger video and the song itself was just so unlike anything that was going on in rock and roll in popular music, Like it sounded so exotic that album getting that home, and like reading the lyrics, it absolutely ruined me for most pop music.

It was so like it was an album that not only was the music so good, but the lyrics. I had to keep scurrying to a dictionary to figure out what the hell the songs were about, you know, like no, that that's fantasy. And it brings up a good point about MTV, particularly that video for Wrapped Around Your Finger, that was so By then, I think they ceased to be the videos ceased to be just quickie little promo clips that you know, record companies would make so that you know, they could they could have product in countries where the artists wasn't touring. Eventually it became like a like a really artfully you know, creative domain. Right.

So that video, I remember, I was sort of very hypnotic because I think the whole video was shot kind of undercranked so that they and and for the longest time I didn't know how they did it, but it's basically them running around with all these candles and I remember Stuart Copeland is even playing his drums and it looks like it's in slow motion, but it's not because they've done playback fast and then played it back and it comes through much slower. And that was that, that wonderful confluence of like image, style and music. And I think a few people did it as well as the Police did because they were like, look, I love the Tubes, right, We've we've talked informally about the Tubes, and they had their share videos, but they were not exactly like the most beautiful bunch of guys playing music, right, So look fee Way Bille for all of fee Waybille, for all of his you know he's not there now, you know.

The Police these were good looking guys and they were you know, they transitioned very well into that sort of MTV sort of video era. Not every artist did, not to say that the Tubes didn't have their own Sheriff's success or other bands that maybe weren't as as good looking as the Police, but the Bleacha they were called at the time, those those police boys. But you know they they they did it well and they hired great directors and like the videos were all very The video for Synchronicity was interesting to watch, uh, you know, every breath you take for as you know, as it was everywhere. But it was a cool sort of dark black and white video and it really it worked hand in hand with the music, which I think was was kind of exciting for viewers of a certain age like myself, kind of getting you more into the music.

Almost it enhanced the music and didn't like for all of the fears people had that it was going to replace radio or audio music or just listening to music, it didn't. But for me it enhanced the experience. Yeah, there was a moment right where we all got to both are both are breaking my heart here and then Harris has to ship on my tube stupe, I'm not look I love I Love the Tubes. Bill Sputton Expooner their guitarists, also a songwriter, also good friend of Don Vanvleetka Captain b part It's one handsome man, I hope you know, and I would tap that over any member of the police. They can't hold the candle, the sting, they can't hold the candle to Gordon Sumner, copl is awesome.

But has any of them dropped Trout in a music video? No? You know who has bewa But to be fair, he was dropping Trout everywhere. Yeah, but I mean we're talking for light, We're talking full on a little fee. Did we get that on MTV?

I missed that. No, no, that was going on the TV. But um, but no, speaking to an earlier point, um, And there are two points I gotta hit here because you guys like this is so exciting, um and definitely so much good food for thought. But as far as like creating kind of making one like a little hunter and a little researcher. Um, and it certainly did.

No, I mean music videos, I mean, and it's it's a passion I have to this day as far as late now. You know, I've written articles about you know, key pieces of music videos of sort of like studying music video history. I'm very casually working on a book about it. Um. And yeah, but and then all days back to being a child, because that was I mean, especially growing up in a small town in Arkansas.

Um. You know, I definitely you know there's a lot of bands I didn't have. I didn't own any wall of voodoo like physical media until I was pretty much in my twenties, Like it was not easy to find. And but that video, I mean, like what you said, father him alone, Like I remember seeing the Mexican radio video and that just gripped me and stayed with me. And it's still to stay one of my favorites and end up being very fratuitous because the director of that music video is Stephen Sadian, who for me on my film end.

You know, in the main book I've been working on is Steven's art, and Stephen's this film director who made Cafe Flesh and Doctor Calgary. But like so many great film directors, cut his teeth. One of the things he cut his teeth on was music video. And you know, and as far as like the hunt goes, the high end part of me does, like I remember the excitement of finding finally finding something you were looking for. But I also remember that feeling of like, oh God, Like I remember I had taped I would tape music videos because yeah, and I was always like, oh God, this may be the only time I ever get to see this, like ever, and when my parents got direct TV had much Music, which is a Canadian MTV which much music is much It's easy to have nostalgia from TV.

Much music was way better, like way better. They I saw music videos on the air in the nineties that I had never seen by Aggy Pop, by Kate Bush, by the band Japan and you know, and so many others, and a number of great Canadian acts like Strange Advance, who are really like cannot be categorized, such a great band, you know, Rough Trade, the Oh God Spoons, which you know, their music videos are amazing, and if that. Canada has their own sort of great music video directors with Robert Courtley. But but I had a tape that had all this cool shit on it and it got eaten by a cheap ass Korean day mouvco. I remember the brand of this day because it was like I felt like Michael and the Godfather too.

I was like, Fredo, you broke my heart. This was before YouTube, this is before the Internet, Like this is like shit, I'll never get to see a music video with the Ban Japan in it again. Um and so yeah. But at the same time, because of going through that, I love the fact that we have YouTube. I have seen so many music videos I never thought a million years I would ever have access to, including a number ones that were banned, like because of the Internet.

I got to see the original video for self Sell Sex Dwarf, which was definitely not played on NTV, it was banned in the UK. Um. The quality is not the best. I mean, it's literally like trying to find an old blueleg of Cannibal Hall Across or something like. But that's the the music videos have the power and in which to the other point, UM and uh and HP, I hope it's okay if I disagree a little bit, I'm sure it is.

But him now, I actually think that the format was actually at its most wildest and wiliest, and it's lardiest, and it's in its earlier days. In fact, I would say in some ways maybe you would pre of TV because the people like once you got out of the scope atones like music video jukebox era of like the fifties and sixties, and some of those are really great too, though, and you had people like rayed In a Steckler working in those who made incredibly strange creatures who stopped living and became mixed up zombies. But um, and there's some great ones for Screaming Lord such but um. But you'd have artists like actually, I mean in some ways, I think you could say two hundred motels like the Seeds of What music Videos with Frank Zampa because that movie was shot entirely on video and he controlled it from like a little fan.

But then you have like Captain Beefheart's like already promo for like my Decal's off Baby. It's basically like a tiny music video and it was banned. Um yeah, people like the Residents and a turned they brought on. Yeah, I had Oh god, I love had so much Hard Days Night. It's a pretty good music video.

Yeah, I mean yeah, movies yet too, with like Devo Mike Nesmith, we would not. Mike Nesmith is such a big dog and music video history, um oh sure. And then he was the father of the music video. Yeah, and also a little Little Trivia, a director that worked with both the Police and I believe he directed Synchronicity two, which is my personal favorite Police song. Such a great in the same way that worked with the Tubes.

Russell Bacay, by the way, that is also my favorite Police song Synchronicity, too fucking moody and so good. It's it's genius. Like it's the absolute like flip side of every sort of suburban idyllic myth we had been fed, you know, and incredibly evocative. Like I remember, as I said, this was my first album, I bot but like I remember being transfixed at the imagery in that song. This this creature crawling out of a Scottish lock and you know, who knows what Mayham he's about to inflict, you know, and it's all, you know, tied to this man who's just a frustrated kind living in a suburban hell.

Hey, hey, hey, what a great song. Like that's that's a pop song. That's our top forty number, y'all. I know, well, and that's but I do, but I do see your point. Also the HP is that I do think as the format grew bigger and more awareness, we did see a lot more of it.

And I definitely do think you still, especially in the eighties, you did have kind of that that Houseyon period where people had budgets also to kind of do some crazy thing. Okay, he's a great example his work with Duran. Duran I was gonna say exactly like those are like I remember the video for Wild Boys. Yeah, it was true like that to me, Like that's I mean, if you listen to that song on its own, it's a decent song, it's but the visuals where you had you know, Simon Labon on the windmill that keeps going around and he keeps getting dunked, and there's people fly and these it looked like the best scenes, like a trailer from a movie that didn't exist, and it was really imaginative and it really sparked something.

Like I not to say that the music, like I said, on its own wasn't great and wouldn't have been hugely successful, but again, those guys hit at just the right time, just the right band, just the right music, just the right filmmakers. Like he said, the stuff that they did with Mokay he was was phenomenal and it really took them to another level. I guess it's my point. But but to piggyback on something you were saying before about we were talking about YouTube and the ability to find these things that for me, like the thing that really kind of like my renaissance for that was when DVDs became super prevalent, super popular, and all of a sudden, like you could get I remember like Bowie put out his video collection and it was like a revelation because these this was pre YouTube, so you could see I could see the video that he did, I couldn't remember it.

For Underground, he did an actual video for the song from Labyrinth that wasn't It was all like sort of like ch style and it was great, and you could find like, you know, a lot of these record companies I think were emptying their vaults because there was so much money to be made by putting out these cheap DVDs that people like me would go every Tuesday when it was new released day, and I would spend all of my money on CDs and DVDs, collections of videos, things like they would put out like the Rock and Roll Circus by the Rolling Stones, which was this like you know, like this thing that it never it was in the vault, it had never seen the light of day, and I was like, I gotta see this. You know, Lennon's in it.

Uh, you know, it just looked you know. It was so mythic and the rise of DVDs for me, more so than when vhs became popular, like DVDs. It was you could fit so much on that small format and you could have these collections of material that was like, you know, you could have like fifty videos on one DVD and it was great. And I spent way too much money on this stuff because now it's you could just stream it. You can find it anywhere on YouTube for nothing.

But for again not to overuse the word, but for musical omnivores like us, it was just another way for me to collect, collect, collect and get the stuff that I had heard about and wanted and maybe had in different video formats over the years. But DVD was like, oh, this looks so good, you know, like or video collections like I remember they put out a collection of Michelle Gondry's music videos and they were they're just they're brilliant. I mean the stuff that he does I think is still not really equal. We're getting a little off topic, but all MTV episode here, well, but it was such a I think it's important to this and I didn't think of it until we got on this this started to do this episode. But it's clear how important it was, you know, in building our because it's you know, we've all talked about out hearing music as small children in the car and the high chair and what have you.

But I think the real, like, you know, the meat of getting into music and really understanding it as an art form for me and I think for all of us, really a lot of that work was done watching MTV as children, was it not. Yeah, I mean that's I think that's definitely more than fair. I mean, in case in point, I mean it also sort of worked in terms of almost like sort of micro movies where you know what, you'll see certain movies as a kid, and it'll be moments that traumatize you. And there's certain like I don't know if you guys were the music video and this is definitely off topic, but I think it's pertinent because this is my trauma and I'm sharing it with everybody. Billy Ocean's lover Boy, which is like say, and like the like a jankety version of the Star Wars Cantina, but there's like this but like the weird hero monster has like a tongue that keeps going it now yeah, oh, and then like the girl looks like a golfling with boobs and I don't want to say boos like that, like bops by Toto and and and he's a little like handsome with her.

It was a lot for little me. It's a lot for me now. But I think also like it definitely kind of tied into my movie brain too, and kind of like what you were saying earlier, Falling Alone is like a lot of music I love and got into was also tied into movies, and you know, I mean just like that same excitement when I saw a fan of the Paradise and Rocky Horror and Shot Treatment and Forbidden Zone much later, and also the Tubes video. You're talking about DVDs, which I'm same. I own a number of DVD comps too, because I'm a sucker for that stuff.

But Houser Video had the Tubes video, which there were two bands that did video albums for they did the first video albums and one was Blondie for Each to the Bea and the other one was the Tubes that basically paralleled with the completion backwards principle and that thing is still out of front, but but that was really cool, and especially because it was like uncensored, Like I mean, there's videos from Monto Bondage, which is weirdly, I mean, which is not on completion backwards principle, but it's Mondo bondage. Come on and you get to cep way Bill, I have women break eggs on his bare ass. It's like I can imagine the person that rented that because they're like, oh, I love she's a beauty and they're getting this ship and I later Yeah, but actually kind of getting a little bit away from the visual because I think we definitely have a future episode that's going to be more music video based and us for sure, if not multiple When you think like if you had to, if you if the both of you had to pick maybe like the top three or four albums that were just like your rider dies and your adolescence and your mid teens, Um, what what would this be like?

For sorry? Like, for example, I could say mine off the just off the top of my head would be UM Date with Elvis by the Cramps. I love it so much, Rock Sea Musics for your Pleasure, Kate Bush's uh, The Dreaming, Uh, the Tubes, Young and Rich, which which I owned on final which nobody was buying vinyl by the time I was buying The Stop and I kind of miss those stays given how much the prices already out, but what can you do? Um oh oh? And the Kinks Lola versus the power Man because actually a huge Kinks fan and one of my earliest uh my goal at the age of thirteen was to marry Ray Davis.

Um. Spoiler, it didn't happen. There's still time, there's I don't think that. I think he's I'm just saying he did. I love him, I love you write David's actuel band, um, and I'm glad he outlived David Crossby.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry that Actually that wasn't that spoiler, that's that's not I didn't know like about David crosby solo work when I was a kid, but I later got into He has an album called If I Could Only Remember My Name, which is his first solo album. It is fucking fantastic and I'll be playing that tonight because it's I mean, he was a cranky old man and I didn't agree with a lot of things he said and did, but boy, that motherfucker could write and he could sing really anyway. Now, I respect that, and you know that's the thing I love about all of us as we all, we all can contribute that, and I'll be thinking about how handsome my tubes are while you're listening to David You're gonna You're never gonna let me live that down called them.

Some of us like character over pretty stas pretty. But if I had to pick the police, I'm with Father Milan Ubercent Stuart Copeland all the way. He just seems way cooler than way way. But Andy sum was way more talented as a songwriter, obviously, but but here Copeland is the shit man. He has a song on the Texas Chainsaw Massacre which he died right that that whole yeah, that strange things happen to a Man on the Road, which I listened to a lot while I'm driving across the country, and it's, uh, it's sublime.

That's him singing It's it's a good tune. Like he also did that Soward stand Ridgeway and Rubblefish don't box Me in a phenomenal song, great song. Oh, we're going to do a Stuart Copeland themed episode down the road. I will say Andy Summer, I think is the underrated MVP of that band. Yoh yeah, because the band was like someday, I mean his contributions are enormous, and he's such a he's really like the quiet one in the group, so they really go unheralded.

But his tone and the way that he played with the digital he really became famous for the sort of sound of the digital delay and the chorus thing that he used, and his touch is remarkable. Like he's really really underrated. But to to sort of get back, like what you were talking about, where are sort of you know, the discs that we held dear or the albums we held dear when we were you know, kids, I would say, if I'm thinking about this now, like if I'm I don't know how how far ahead into our adolescence you're talking, but I know for me, certainly, I've already mentioned Donald Fagan's The Night Fly Into high School. Mid high school probably Paul's boutique by the Beastie Boys was like tremendously like impactful, Like I I didn't know that sampling could be taken to such a degree.

It's still I still listen to it now, and I can still hear things that I missed, you know, the last one hundred and fifty million times I listened to it. But but beyond that, probably, like I said, I had weird dastes I still do. But probably the Royal Scam by Steely Dan, which is probably their most guitar heavy album, which is probably why I like it so much. Um the very first Black Sabbath, which is amazing. It's all you like it too, Oh, I know, I'm a huge Sabbath.

I'm huge, and I really everything probably for me it ends with Dio when he you know, when he left. But but really like those first you know, the Ausie years are really unimpeachable, and and the dial stuff is great too. Mob Rules is incredible and Heaven and Hell. But that that first album was such it was almost I don't know, I'm not sure what to compare it to, but it wasn't It just kind of I don't know, there wasn't The song is kind of lended into one another, and it was really just such a trip. That that album was really kind of a trip beginning to end.

It was so heavily multi tracked and really thick. The sound was great, sort of jazzy, sort of bluesy. It was incredible. Um so the first Black Sabbath, and to your point, actually is a side note like, it's funny you mentioned like going to I think you said Walmart to get cheap tapes. Father Malone will remember we had a we had a store called Leechmere but local.

I don't know how local it was, but it was prevalent in our area and they had they used to have this like I don't know. It was like a rack and it was like tapes for like a buck, like the Super Saver series or something. Yeah, that's where I got like every you know, early Black Sabbath tape. I was like, wow, I can get the whole catalog right here. I got that and it was just it was I was in hog Heaven.

But um, but what else would I be? Be? Big? And probably I would say, you know, probably the Monkey's Greatest Hits, because that was something I remember when my my parents had eight tracks and that was one of the eight tracks that I really liked, was The Monkey's Greatest Hits. And probably uh, Women and Children First by Van Halen was probably was another big one.

That was another big like guitar head type of album. It had like everything on it that you could ever hope for. It was moody, it was it was great. I actually that's my favorite of the olive and halenes. Yes, there's not a wrong answer that somebody says, you know, oh the best roth Era.

You're right, It doesn't matter which one you say you're that's just not really a wrong Um if I can impart real quick, yea. My three top role models as a little child was Elvira Jo's Shocking I know, right, um, Sunday Lauper and David Lee Row And in fact, my mother has suwhere loves statue in a box. We had to draw our dream houses in kindergarten and she got called in because I drew a fifty foot limo with a pull in it because I had seen on MTV and we're having a contest where you could hang out with David Lee Roth and with a pull in it, and I thought that was his house because I was a child, and I was like, man, oh, David Lee rocks. The main what's funny is I hate limos now but it just seems a good waste to cast.

But um uh yeah, so full respect, I do, I do really uh. I would encourage you that to check out the uh Born Again album though with oh god um Ian Gillan said, uh yeah, Gillan. Yeah, I I he's they're actually gonna be reissuing a bunch of those in the coming year. I think they've already gone. They've already reissued and reissued again all the other earlier like Dio and all that stuff.

So I'll get to it. I definitely will. But I I those man like. I was so into the Aussi stuff that I kind of avoided the deal because I thought a deal was sort of cheesy because again on MTV, he's this little short guy like throwing devil horns and the man on the shiny blue mountain or whatever. But when like that, that that that band was so like sow its own thing, like you, it's almost impossible to compare like mob Rules with anything that came in the the the Aussi era, because they had like I think viny Apiece was the drummer and he was just heavy, and they just they were just a totally different thing.

But anyway, I digress father alone wait wait wait, wait no, no, I have to I am gonna happen to use my power to interrupt her. Sorry, go ahead, that horrid Blackbirds that I'm mad. I'm just sound. I've grown to love it. I love Rainbow, I love AUSI all of a love of the first Holy Divers.

Great album, but at the time, like I was, I was aussy all the way tribute that that album. I love that album. Tribute with Randy Rhodes. It was great. Like you know when I when I yeah, stopped talking and put Dio back on the line.

You're not going to hear that from me again. I don't know what Dio that was That sull was not Ronnie Jake, Alright, that was that because that was you know that actually was truthfully, that was not That was actually Henry Rawlins's impression of Dio that I learned from watching too much spoken word of Henry Rollins in college. So that's that accounts for the wackiness of that. That's fair. Also, Billboard is the greatest drama that's ever lived.

It's tremendous. It was. It's a real shame that he couldn't do the reunion. But I don't we digress, But Father Malone, you are You are amazing and I cannot wait to hear what you're your Ride and dies. Ride dies like like like an adolescence, like like around fifteen, let's say, not even put them into it, just like immediately, what are the albums that flows?

No, it's it's really easy. It's Cramps off the Bone, which is a D import with the three D cover, the drawing of blocks with the with the knife in his hand and the fucking candle and the skill which U HB. I bought with you records. Yes, yeah, that I remember. I wore that CD out Oingo Boing goes dead Man's Party.

Nice a cassette of that. Good choice, Good choice, I um I worked at. My first job was at a movie theater and we would have a shift that was just popping popcorn. And you were in a room with two giant kettles, a tiny room with two giant kettles, and you were just softening up these horrible buckets of oil that was like solid and you would have to melt it with a wand like a little lightsaber, but far more deadly, and and you to get the oil pumps working so and you would just make popcorn all day long and scoop it into bags and then put those bags into a room for the big rush of the weekend. And it was hellish.

It was salty, it was sweaty and disgusting, but I got to listen to Dead Man's Party on a loop, followed immediately by My third Choice, which I also listened to. I guess that summer, which is Who's Afraid of the Art of Noise? Yes, yes, Jesus Christ, what a good album. Those those people, Oh my god, classically trained musicians saying let's let's look into this electronic thing. And you know, sampling became a big thing, but I always loved that they were sampling themselves.

They were making those sounds and then layering them. That's I don't know, that's three Oh the fucking Pogues by by by age fifteen, Oh my god. Um yeah, heavy, heavy, into the into Shane McGowan and and those boys. By then it was rumsaw to me in the lash, I guess would probably be the one I was listening to the most, or maybe if I should fall from grace with God. I don't know.

Any poge album could be sort of slotted into there. I was also listening to an inordinate amount of Bomb Dylan, but I can't I can't say an album because a friend of mine made me this immense mixtape of Bob Dylan's entire career, and I listened to that. That's I'm counting that. We're awesome. I love a lot of great mixtape.

Yeah, we're gonna have an have a mixtape episode. It's kind of a lot, a little bit of a lot of start. I think it used to be, like, you know, for me, it was you know, you like, I remember being in college and I remember like, well, I'm supposed to be listening to the to the professor, I'm like writing, you know, like a mixtape like out for for the girl that I was dating or whatever, and and I a lot of thought and effort. You had to, you know, because you had the tape could only fit. I think it was it like twenty five minutes per side or more so, and you had to like you know, sometimes science to it.

Yeah. Not only were you picking out the mood and order in order to build an emotional reaction, but you had to do it within a certain time. Frank, God, damn it. That is a low start. I still make basically mixtapes for my girl, but they're just playlists.

But I still put in the love. I have an unlimited budget now, but a playlist. Yeah, I mean it's you could just you could just add to it, add infinitem and it'll never It'll just keep growing. And that's that's cool, you know it surely not, it's not. It's actually bad.

Like you you you lose track of it, and then suddenly you have a playlist with one hundred and eighty four songs. Nobody, it's time to listen to you. I keep adding, like, I have playlists that have like over two hundred songs. But it works because when I no, no, but when I but when I do is when I plug it in in the car, I just put it on random and I'm endlessly I'm like, oh, I forgot to put that on that that's actually pretty cool, you know, And it's it doesn't have the rise and fall like the arc of a really good mixed tape, because it was you're you're letting the randomness kind of take over. But there's a it's kind of cool.

And if I was a kid, you know now, I mean, I wouldn't know any better, but you know, it's fine, but there was it's it really is kind of a lost art, you know, picking the songs, putting them, like you said, fall them alone in a certain order and really building up to something you know. And and it had meaning and it was a real gift from the heart when you gave it to somebody, you know. Oh absolutely yeah. And I mean I still, you know, like I said, I make I make mixtapes like for my mom. And in fact, I've actually gotten her into bands that she otherwise did not know about, like and weirdly enough, the two bands or Sisters of Mercy and type of Negative.

And I saw I saw the Sisters of Mercy on this weird package tour they did with Public Enemy. Oh yeah, I'm so jealous. It was it was sort of like in in the post, sort of, I want to say, I believe it was kind of trying to catch that buzz of lollapalooza, you know. But and I was maybe one of the only people who like was a fan of both bands. Like I had this buddy that I knew from from Marblehead that we would go to shows together in high school, and he got me into the Sisters of Mercy, and I was like, wow, this is great.

But to be honest, like I was and am still so much more a fan of a Public Enemy. But it was a real trip. I mean, it was, it was a it was a culture shock. It was sort of novel in those days to have these package tours with bands that maybe didn't make a lot of logical sense, but you got exposed to a lot of cool stuff that way. Like I saw bands that I never would have seen otherwise.

Well, do you have to ask the both of you, because of course we grew up, we all are, you know, grew up in an era where you had like cassettes and LPs and CDs, And do either one of you know, we all do streaming too, But I still definitely buy vinyl and CDs. And I did actually buy one cassette recently, but it's only because it was literally the only way to get this one album and it was by sue tissue like she did once, like so album sue tissue from suburban lawns, and to get the vinyl version of her album would be extremely cost prohibitive to say the least. But but do you guys still do either one of you like still buy vinyl or CDs? I buy vinyl like crazy, Hell yeah, I have too much vinyl as a matter of fact thing.

And I don't care what shape it's in. I don't I'm not I ain't picky. I'm I'm I'm at the I'm at the bargain basements. Uh, you know, I'm buying the one dollar LPs. I'm buying them because the artwork on the on the sleeve is cool.

I bought. I purchased just a sleeve, even if the record is not in it, if it's cool enough. But um, I mean, look, I'm not buying a record it's completely fucked but like because it literally has a dead possum on it, he does not care. I want to hear it. But I'm not precious about vinyl.

I certainly rankle at new vinyl, particularly not necessarily new music being pressed on vinyl, but like the classic albums that I bought on vinyl thirty years ago. And I'm like, you want to you want me to spend thirty five dollars on this album that I know I've bought at least a dozen times in my life. No, I'm not doing that. I don't care how well it's been mixed and blah blah blah bla. I'll go by the other scratched up vinyl and hear it like it's meant to be heard, fucked up and uncared for no, No, I think, well, you know, the great Lester Banks what said that rock and roll should be played on garbage equipment and made with like garbage production and just you know, to get that rough sound.

And I can I get that. You know, there's a dangerent with I think certain types of genre sounding too clean. I think it really depends on the genre too. But but yeah, no, I I you know what I hate. It's like when somebody has a used album that they're over pricing that you know, sold Like I was seeing like you know, like a Rolling Stones.

Um oh it wasn't Undercover of the Night. It was maybe it was like all main Street. It's just like a local place had it, like for like thirty bucks, And it's like really really, I mean, unless it doesn't need to be priced that much, guys, come on, you know, like if it's something like oh it's Anena Simone, like sure you can jack that up a little bit. That's gonna be a little more rare. But you know, you know, kiss Kiss, like you know, Kiss Dynasty does not need to be fucking thirty dollars years.

Sorry, Yeah, but I don't know HP. What about you? Are you? Are you still a partaker of the physical media. So I mostly I get stuff off of band camp and streaming.

Um, I don't. I don't buy a lot of I certainly don't buy new vinyl because to yours and father Malone's point, the new stuff and even some of the use stuff is just too expensive, like I can't and I just I can't justify it. And I you know, my like I said, I went, I went many many years, like you know. Literally, Tuesday was new release day around here, and I would go at lunch and I would usually take a friend of mine or whatever, and I would just spend an ungodly amount on CDs. So I have a huge collection.

That is, I don't I don't know or play them anymore because it's all the stuff that I want to play. I just I rip it to my computer and that's I just I listen to the MP three's. I'm not I wouldn't consider myself like an audio file. So again to your points, it's like it doesn't have to be pristine, you know, one hundred and eighty Graham Vinyl and Da Da Day. I don't really care that much, but mostly streaming and want to get off of band camp here and there and um that that really usually is fine for me, but I think it is funny that like I'll go to like, you know, I placed like New Bray comics, and like I'll see like people are like there are new albums coming out on cassette, which I just think is just hilarious to me.

Like I I guess cassettes is kind of becoming a the new vinyl or trying to become the new vinyl. But uh, you know, cassettes for me growing up was just a cheap way of being able to listen to music in my car. Like I would basically just throw the cassette in and when I was done with it, I take it out and kind of throw it across the car. And I didn't really care too much because they were pretty pretty sturdy. But to see it becoming kind of a hipster thing now where where people are of a certain age and economic bracket are attracted to cassettes when they are really an inferior format, it is funny to me.

But hey, you know, if they've got the disposal income, why not could not fathom buying a brand new cassette absolutely crazy. I mean it was fun to see it and go Wow, those are cassettes. I haven't seen those in decades. But it just seems pointless. It seems like a waste of money.

But because because a vinyl, I can see, because it is a superior format, and there's a there's a glue to it. Hear that you can hear the glow. Hold on, listen, listen, just listen. Well, the funny thing is Father Malone. Like the thing that that won me over to it most recently was listening to records with you where you know, I hadn't I hadn't just sat down and listened to records because I've gotten so comfortable just being able to call up any song at any time.

What the beauty I think of vinyl, beyond any audio improvements, is that you are forced to listen to this thing as the artist intended, from beginning to end. And it's another get off my long moment. But I think that that's also something that gets lost in today's sort of shuffle sort of you know, vibe. When it comes to music. You can take one song off this album, one song off this album, and everything is a mixtape and everything is a playlist.

But I couldn't imagine listening like You can't listen to the first Black Sabbath album in any way in my opinion, but in the order that it's intended, because it has a flow to it, and I would and I just think it's it's lost if you know. That's what vinyl. One of the big benefits of vinyl for me is that you, by definition, you can't do anything but listen to that thing from start to finish and listen to it as an experience, and a beautiful experience at that That was poetry. No, you're right. Also picturing you like throwing your cassette tapes across your car for some reason, it's hilarious to me, Like I just picture and you're you're so like you're so just like you're so nice.

I don't know why in my head, Like it's like your evil twin that talks like a super villain that you're like next to jam them, know, you just fold it across the fucking card. Yeah, I'm done with you, sir. It's just like jam it out. I wasn't that, but but but you know I would, they would they were, you know, unless like I've had I had tape decks that would eat the cassette and that's a bummer, mostly because I'd leave it on the dashboard and they would melt and they would become not you know, it wouldn't fit, but they would, you know. That was that was the best thing about them was that they could they could hold up to a beat.

You didn't have to be so you know, so so nice with them. You know, I can't say no, sorry, I just it's just like you're just having like subtle fuck you exile. I will not kiss you all over and you will not place your lips upon my body. Good taste, sir. Yeah, I did not mean interrupt you continue.

No, no, no, no, I actually you know I've been in a car with him, with him, I've seen him throw a tape over. But I will I will say though that that uh, you know, I've painted a picture of my musical tastes as an adolescent, growing up and certainly going into high school. I my tastes were much more mainstream, you know, some some harder rock stuff. I guess you could call it like um like I said, ausy Aerosmith. But and not to belabor the point that father Malonea and I have a history together, I will say he was definitely responsible for opening up my ears to a lot of stuff that I wouldn't have listened to otherwise, So I have to give him credit for that.

I remember listening to and I've told the story before in other venues of listening to the sex Pistols. It was the first time I'd ever listened to the sex Pistols because I wasn't exposed to that in my upbringing, and he exposed me to that. We had a shared love of Phantom of Paradise, which has already been brought up several times in this podcast. Particularly, it was one of those things that we both we both knew the movie separately, but then when we met and became friends, it was one of those things where we were so shocked, Wow, you know that movie too, and you love it as much as I do. That's incredible.

We at the time we felt like the only two people like in the you know, in the state who would even heard of this, because at that time you couldn't just go out and buy the DVD or why watch it on streaming or whatever. You had to look in the TV listenings and find when it was going to be playing at like, you know, ten o'clock in the evening on Channel thirty eight, you know, as as a late movie or something. So it was a big deal. But I and I'm grateful for that. I mean that father Malone had such eclectic tastes and he really opened my eyes up to a lot of music that I would not have known otherwise.

Yeah, I think that's beautiful. I mean, especially because you know the love No, I mean, that's I love that story, especially because it reminds me of when I got into the movie Tommy as like in my early teens, and and my my best friend Nikki and I had both seen it, not together but separately, had caught it on TBS and I remember specifically being TVs and UM, and we both just were drawn to it and we ended up like watching it again together, and like I taped it because you know, when you're poor, that's the thing is like move ying actual movies back then on the old like original VHS tapes were expensive for a very long time, but blank VHS tapes we're a lot cheaper, so you just end up taping movies.

And I know, yes, if you recorded them on EP you could get like eight hours on one tape, which I did that and didn't even know until the DVD era that that was like the worst quality. But what did we know what? We were just children, and but me and her would watch Tommy over and over again and that's where I fell in love with all of a read and Ken Russell Can Russell is one of my favorite actors to this day. Um. And on top of that, something that's hilarious I had really jacked up is you know, me and her were like twelve around, like twelve years old at this period, and there's something scarier than teenage girl hormones.

I think teenage hormones in general, but there's something a little spicy. And I don't know if it's because girls are more repressed, like we're not really you know, guys are kind of you guys are a little more allowed to be like, yeah, boobies who you know, I don't know that's space or yeah, that's good though, I don't know, you know what I mean, Like I think then it's okay for men to kind of I think it's more acceptables. Certainly, Yes, that's me and I are just not in that camp. I don't think, Well, that's why we're all weird eggs and I love that because me and Herbert definitely like Me and Nikki had Bonnie because we were both in the metal and horror movies and we were both just kind of like weird girls and um, but we like and how we would see Uncle Ernie.

We just thought he was whimsical, like because yeah, he's adorable. If we were of those, we're like, oh, it's Uncle Ernie. And that's why I watched in college. I was like, he's a pedophile. Great, Oh, it's terrible like about that.

There's nothing like and that's it's funny because that's I love who Like. They're one of my top top five favorite bands, But to be honest, that's the one, maybe one of their only albums that I can't listen to anymore, because hey, I listened to it a lot when I first sort of discovered it. But it's really it's such a there's so much awful stuff that happens in the context of that story, particularly al Go Ernie and and what he does, and that movie was kind of like, I don't think I was prepared for Ken Russell when I first saw that movie, because it's so I mean, it's everything is exaggerated there's all these weird angles, these strange close ups of people, weird stuff's happening. Uh, you know, it's just it's it's a lot for an adolescent to take in, certainly, as you've as you've already been describing.

But but no, I I yeah, that that movies a lot. Oh god, well, and we both like any time cut when cousin Kevin comes then played by the flaxen haired Paul Nicholas. And Nicholas I seen them that that awful startrant Pepper's Only Hearts Club Band movie. You know, you say awful, I said awful. But but I but no, no, no, sir, we're now at odds.

Oh I am. I am objectively calling it terrible. But that was, to be honest, that was the first that was really my original exposure to Beatles music. I honestly, I I probably heard the BG's renditions of their music before I got familiar with the Beatles. It led it led you there then, correct, Oh yeah, yeah, that's a thing I think you should.

I think you should walk back your your your judgment of that film then, and that it was a gateway to to a greater musical knowledge. There's nothing good about you know, um, George Burns doing with a Little Heart. No, it's a hole. Him up there pretending to drama guitar is not genius to you get out of here, Billy Preston. Billy Preston doing Get Back is just brilliant.

And I will I will hold that up as the best part of that whole movie. And as a as a fan of admitted of the BGS. It's interesting and I like some of the stuff they do earth Wind and Fire, Sir, Yeah, Aerosmith doing the definitive version, I think, oh yeah, come together. It's so good, so good. But but it's awful.

It's so awful. Here's the thing. The reason that those musical performances are so good is because George Martin produced the soundtrack album. So I give him. Did he do it?

What was it all about? Oh? That movie? It's awful. That movie also gave us some truly demanded versions.

I mean, it's of I come on, mister Mustard, I love Frankie Hower, I love it. Ud Man, Oh my god, old man. How about this? She's leaving home with the robots, the robots singing it, making it even more streakily than it already is. Cooper doing it because you things that freaked me out as a kid.

That freaked me out as a kid, that Sequen in the body suit doing that. Yeah, I was just happy's aals Cooper's Lavelle's Cooper. I'd be like, oh, it's Alice. It's like, Iby's so happy. Um, I love Alice.

Come on, Alice boy, Alice saying anything. Also, Steve Martin, Yeah, I love that movie. You're nuts Porter. I let me tell you, I I hate Maxwell silver Hammer on Abbie Road, and I hate Steve Martin doing it. I'm sorry you're not keep convinced the otherwise you like teacher, Teacher gets annoyed.

So there's a kung fu sequence during that Come on, but that's not aside Steve Martin like like like attempting to lobotomize Peter Frampton. You don't find an insane amount of beauty in that sequence. We're gonna have the conversation off air. I will, I will say one of the dancers in that sequence, um, and I can't. I'm trying with the actor's name, like he's no longer with this sadly, um, but he's like one of the few characters Mareth.

Buttrick is that his name? No, you just made that up? He thought he just pulled that up. He's another actor. He was in Star Trek two, he was in Square Pegs.

He uh, he's no longer with us, but now he has nothing to do with such. I had a feeling, no, but it's it's one of the few characters he plays, one of the few characters I like in Greece. He's the guy that like, the blonde hair, guy that dances with Chasha. I love him, like it was like Billy rules, is there ain't no rules? I hate Greece for the record, I love that.

You know, we talk about like finding these music like and Heather, you actually mentioned this, like you know it you feel as a sort of outcast, as everyone does to some degree in their lives. But those of us who are actually felt like really like nobody fucking got us. We felt like aliens in the world, like hearing music and knowing other people were listening to it, like you felt connected to it, and the music itself, of course speaks to you. But there's like a flip side to that too. And what got me thinking about it, HP was you saying, like when we saw Phantom of the Paradise.

We thought we were the only two people in the state. And that sort of feeling carries over to bands as well, particularly if they're not insanely popular, but they feel like they're yours. There's like an exclusivity to it, like it's it's it's almost a reverse of connecting. It's like shunning the rest of the world with that thing that's just something I thought and wanted to share with you. Yeah, I mean it's it feels so precious to you.

Yeah, part of you. It's like a little secret part of you, and you do get like sort of Also, that's also explains like I think you get the most protective of stuff like that at that age because of that. Um yeah, it's just I remember and it's so silly now. But it's like if you saw a kid wearing a band T shirt of a band that you loved, and all of a sudden they're like, oh yeah, I like the Ramons and you're a party. Was like, motherfucker, I got bullied for like either ramonas like you get like super like aggressive in your mind about it.

Um but can let me look, can I I just want to enter to it. Because you mentioned the exact band that this reminds me of. HP and I went to high school together. We have a mutual friend in high school who who harangued me one day because I was listening to The Ramons on a CD disc man that I had just gotten. I was sim and I was listening to Ramons Mania, which is basically everything yeah, and he was just like fucking Ramons like one song, man, like get over it, like that right years later on social media, just like oh the Ramounds, man, yeah, like they're so cool, and I just wanted to reach through the computer punch them in the face, like Well.

It's interesting because I you know, especially when you're young, music is such a part of your identity and it really kind of dictates how, you know, what tribe you kind of see yourself belonging to. And I mean, that's a that's a really great point that you both bring up about that, because it can work both ways. Like sometimes when you'd see somebody with a with a band shirt or something like that, you go, oh, that's kind of cool. But sometimes you would see that and you would feel a little bit like, oh, you know that it's not really my band anymore. They're getting a little too big, and it's a little you know, no, they're my band, they're not your band.

You know, I like them. You can't like them because I like them. But it is. But but you know, it's such an identifying trait when you're a kid, because that's I think you want to belong to something anything, especially if you feel a little bit like a misfit, like it sounds like we all did in our sort of high school years and around there, and and music is really the thing that gets you through and you feel such a sense of community and belonging. And then you start going to shows and you it's a whole another It takes the experience to a whole another level and you realize, you know, wow, this is really cool.

I'm part of something. I'm part of this group. We all really love this band or this artist, and it's really cool to be here and sing along with all these other people the song that I thought that only I knew about, that I cared about. So it's really, you know, I'm not sure it's it's something so unique to music. It's an experience.

I mean, there's a communal experience when you go to a movie with like minded, you know, audience members, but there's something still personal and unique about the musical communal experience belonging to that uh, that select group that you kind of like see yourself in. I don't know, it's it's the music is what gives me dad, I think more than anything else. It's funny though, because sometimes like and I remember talking with my late friend Scott about this, where yeah, there's nothing worse than seeing somebody that's wearing a bancher and you're like and it's like especially like an obscure band, and you're like, you get excited, You're like tried, you know, like we will be brothers and sisters, and and then you try to come up to them and they have like like kind of a shit attitude and then it's like, well fuck you, Like you can't.

Like again, I guess I have a little agroman that lives in beside me, but um and uh and probably enough. His name is also Clifford Buxton. Was that the name Godrick? Godrick Wellington? Where are you going with this?

I don't even know now, but now it's like, but I almost hate that more than somebody who's like, I mean, could you do get I think more slack as you get older. Like if I saw somebody who's like a new fan to something, I would respect that. I'd be a look cool, they're getting into it, that's awesome. But like when somebody like I remember the last records store a day. I made a point of going to the record store on records for a day two because there was a gun Club Live album and they were down to two copies.

And I was so excited. And I'm a very effusive person, as you probably could tell. And I just and I like when I'm in like ports of call that have like music or art or books, I'm just like, I'm in heaven. That's that's my disney Land. It always has been.

And there was this other couple that were behind us that and they got the same album, and like they just were so like so just like shut down and like not friendly and very like huh. And I'm like and I almost like, well, you guys don't deserve this great band. You know, A part of me still kind of I guess Bill, And it's not gate keeping. It's just like, how can you have great art and your presence and not be excited about it? How can you do that?

To me, like being into anything creative is the most exciting thing in the world, even and it's subjective and that's fine. I mean, if I see somebody we mentioned listening to David Crosby tonight, I legit think that's beautiful. HP Like, that's that's an artist whose work is connected with you, and you're going to honor him and enjoy his music tonight. That's amazing. And I think that process is great.

I think that's the beauty. The connective tissue of all anything creative and expressive is there's something that touches every person, and every person's a little different. Every neurons receive different expressions differently, and that's a that's a really just a magical thing that's part of the process. So when I see people that are so smug with art, I hate art galleries for the same reason for the record, where people are just like too cool for school. Fuck off, like coping a fucking doctor, go to go go look at Thomas kinkaidart, you know, go listen to Musaic or whatever.

You guys don't fucking deserve this. And I think like a good message for like eight keepers out there, like trying to stop people for like liking something that you liked before them or whatever, like what's worse like new blood or like people who love what you love who are dickheads, Like that's the thing to get upset? Do you want to expel those people? Like you don't get to enjoy this? You're a prick exactly exactly, And you know it's like, um, and I think me and you may have talked about those father Malone at the point where yeah, there were certain like certain Kate Bush fans getting kind of like pissy about kids getting into them because of stranger things using um was it running?

Yeah, And I'm like, you know what I'm like finally, like because honestly, I got into Kate Bush in the nineties when people were, you know, listening to Nirvana and grunge. Like I was an outlier because I was into Cape Bush and Rocks and music and the Tubes, and you know, later I'm all Voodoo, the Cramps and the Damned and you know, all these other bands, and I'm like cool, Like, man, no, I love Kate Push. Everybody should listen to a Bush, you know, Like who cares what ways anybody gets into something like to be so fucking up your own ass about Oh well, I well, yeah, some of these kids weren't alive when you got into Kate Bush Okay called the fuck down, and that includes me. I mean, there are kids who were born in two thousand that I probably listen to it, and I'm already old enough to vote as as as I hear the cold wind of what ality behind me.

But no, I mean, and that's the joy of music is any way you can find it, anyway you can connect to it is awesome. And like like HPU mentioning band camp, I've been discovering some amazing new bands that via band came out, and which is always my point, where you know, I hear people yeah, and people that are honestly way too young to be saying this shit they sound they're already selling the parents where they're like, oh well, music was better when I was a kid or we were kids, and there's no good No, there's always good music. There's always great art. You just have to be open to it and you have to know where to look, and you have to dig, you have to work for it. Rock radio has I mean, rock radio was honestly never perfect, and I never really was like enough to grow up with a cool quote unquote station.

I mean, but I know, like in the seventies there were a lot more cool stations because he didn't have the clear channel strongholds that we do now. But I mean, yeah, you can't rely on mainstream outlets. How are you discovering new music these days? Like where are the are there websites you're going to? You already mentioned band camp who both did?

But how do you discovered new music these days? What's what are your outlets? Let me start with you, Heather oh Man, I being like the little um like trash panda that I am, like, I like to forage, but not in dumpsters music. Yeah, some musical dumpsters, which is the name of my new scene. No, I have different ways, Like actually Spotify has just kind of because I think I love about Spotify as you could look up other people's playlists and you know, so if there's one bander into you could see what playlists has these bands or I'm looking for a genre and you can find that.

So I've discovered dude bands like that. I've discovered there are people on YouTube that will make mixes of new music. There's one YouTube channel in particular called um there's actually two channels. One and the YouTube channel name is Yammy Sprecchi And I'm putting an accident on next on assuming it's foreign and I'm probably parking that up, but my heart is in the right place here. But like, but both that one and there's one called Gothic Bop that do um these mixes of deep deep cuts and it's everything from like older you know, older stuff like more classic, and it can be anything from like industrial electronics, scynth wave, old school goth like trad goff punk to like stuff that is out now, like bands that's just formed in twenty twenty two.

And like these are like really great curators, and that's the thing, like I think on mediums like Spotify on YouTube, you can find curators very easily and they let them be your pipe piper and then you can kind of take it from there. Like and uh, also, um, there's one artist I've in a fanta for, like she's like ten years named Ashley actually usinga who's in a band now called Patriarchy. I discovered her years ago via tumbler. Like yeah, I mean, well now it wasn't that wasn't that long ago, but it was definitely through Tumbler. And I mean so I'm just a big believer and just like have your eyes always out like and it could be that's the beauty of social media.

It's easy to bitch about it, but if you use it correctly and are open minded, you can find all the cool seeds and just let them take you to where you want to go. How about you, father alone, where do you discover new music? I don't. I've found that there are so many genres of music that I've been interested in but not had the wherewithal to dive into, and I find myself doing that more than anything. I have been exposed more and more to new music only because I mentioned earlier, I was making playlists for my girl who's younger than me, and and so I started actually like just through Amazon effectively, like you know, finding music that I like.

But then you know, they have whole channels and station dedicated to newer music and stuff. So if i'm if I'm looking, and I don't find myself looking too often, But that's where I am as far as new music goes. But other other than that, like I said, it's like, you know, there are tons of you know, Italian library movie music that need my attention that I that I have not yet been exposed to. So I find myself looking back, but not not in a going over stuff I've already you know, experienced, but trying to find other things that have been around that maybe haven't gotten the attention they deserve. That's all.

No, and and that's totally even you know, I shouldn't have I should have qualified it by saying, you know, this doesn't necessarily mean like some brand new artists that just hit but you know this, like Italian library music, I also have an interest in that, and I'm you know, often I'll find a good blog spot, you know, page of some someone in like Denmark who's like, you know, compiling a list of all the best you know, library music. Sometimes they'll even have you know, clips you can download and so forth. But but that's totally you know it. For me, I used to sort of be one of these people who was like, ah, you know, I got very locked into the music I liked and that was it. But I think at some point I got my eyes got opened up to the possibilities of the sort of the modern era of music collection, which basically involves you know, going through band Camp.

I even though it's it's it sometimes gets a little to hit history. For me, I do check the reviews on Pitchfork because every once in a while I'll be exposed to something that I wouldn't otherwise, or or a style of music, and then I'll go, oh, that sounds interesting. I'll chase that up. And because it's so easy to find, you know, a YouTube clip or a video from a certain artist, you at least get a sense for, well, this is something that I can chase up, and maybe I'll pick something of theirs a disc, or maybe i'll buy something up there is off of band camp and I'm off to the races. But but certainly band camp is one of my primary go tos, just because any anything that comes into my head, the search engine I find is really good.

Even I'll just type in something like you had mentioned synth wave. I'll put in synthwave and I'll find out like, what are the what are the most popular synth wave albums of the past, whatever, And to be honest, a lot of times from there I kind of go by the old fashioned method of looking at the album art because oftentimes, like if this, well, no as the nice thing about that. The best thing I can say is, as as I've gotten older, I've kind of shed that that that sort of grouchy old man who thinks that nothing, you know, all the best music was created you. No, No, it's i I've I'm honest enough to admit to myself that if you look and you're you know, you're careful about it, and your your ears are open, in your eye are open, you can find good music almost anytime.

And I've found stuff, and we can talk about this. Actually are our latest discoveries. I think maybe this would be a good segue one of my discoveries of the past. Actually, this is probably the past month. This was a band that I discovered through I think it was through Pitchfork.

I might be wrong about that, but certainly I've gotten into them pretty hard over the past month. It's a band called Mystic Braves, which I wasn't familiar with previously. They had an album that came out last year called Pacific Afterglow, which has been has had a lot, has had a lot of airplay in my car and while I'm working and so forth. There. The band is interesting.

They've been around since twenty eleven and they were really mainly known as a sort of a psychedelic rock revival group. They're one of their musical heroes are the Zombies, So it was a lot of that, even done surf music. It was very much rooted in the mid to late sixties. But somehow in this latest album of their specific Afterglow, they've taken a real sort of left turn and they've brought in a lot of angular synth, even some Talking Heads style sort of strident guitar, a lot of interesting chords, and it almost became kind of a little bit sort of very synth heavy, more sort of synth pop, but but still a little little element of the sort of psychedelic that they're psychedelic rock that they're known for.

A very very appealing combination. And again to my original point, this is a band that I never would have thought to chase. I never knew they existed, but here they are, and I can't get enough of them. I don't love their early stuff as much. This album is really an outliar, but it's fantastic loving it.

Who would like to go next? Well, My New Discovery is a band out of Portland and they are pretty pretty new to me and new because this EP came out on twenty twenty two and it's her first EP a band called Nick's Division. That's n y X and I believe the EPs called dark Star great, just soaring vocals, moody, just that I feel like the best kind of like sort of dark or gothic like guitar work and at times sounds crunchy but almost also like a flowing, like a rolling dark sort of cloud, like a storm cloud rolling in which that mixed with like rock and roll kind of crunch is just it's a sweet spot for me. The focalist is amazing, She's got so much power and beauty. And this this EP is just like the best EPs are like a little just perfect, just like it's like a perfect short story, like a great short story is jewel like small am just perfect on all sides.

And the CP is that. My favorite songs off of it are Orchid Rain and Renegade. Um. They're on YouTube, they're on Spotify, and they're on band camp. A highly highly recommend its Division.

UM love them. I think they're fabulous and speaking the fabulous bother them alone. What's your What's your discovery? I had never heard, I guess it's an EP really lou Read Live from seven, like I have a I have a company of brock and Roll Animal, and I have another one like a live album from Bertlin. But somehow this one eluded me.

I spent a few days driving around listening to it non stomp, not that it was anything new, but it's you know, as a as a weird monomaniacal person. And I've become more recently much more obsessed with lou Read, so I don't know, that's not a that ain't a new discovery in any sense of the sense of the word, but like, that's that's my latest thing, Like, um no, it's it's new. It's new to you. It could be an album. I mean, this is something that you hadn't heard before and it's your current obsession and that's that's totally cool.

And and his version of Statellite of Love is really fun in it because he's doing the bung bung bung like in his inimitable lou Reid style, Like you know, it's it's it's pretty great. Actually, I have one question for both of you as well. Can you name a song that you can no longer listen to? Like like you heard it a lot, like it never bothered you necessarily, but just through sheer repetition or time or whatever. You're just like, I don't I don't want to hear that, Like you would actively turn the radio off if it if it came on.

Yeah, like not necessarily even liked it, but like you know, it was in the air, and it was just like I was just one of those songs, you know, like a pop song you'd hear in the radio, like neither it was lukewarm to you. I'll go ready, Yeah, you go, Because that's a good question. John Cougar Jack and die Oh. I hate that song. I never hear that song again about them sucking on a fucking chili dog.

It's like the most disgusting description of what seems like the most pure, fulfilling life in the world, celebrating it's not even working class here, it's losers in Loserville and we're supposed to this is poetry in some way. No, oh, God, hang out at the Pasty Freeze for the rest of your fucking lives, but don't involve me anymore while you filate a chili dog. That's not how you eat a chili dog. Nobody sucks on it, dude. It's so gross nasty.

The only good thing about that is and I don't know if this was a photoshop. Did you guys see that meme that goes around every time it's National Chili Dog Day where it's somebody I hope to god it's the water. Oh it's John Cougar tweeting. He's quote retweeting somebody tagging him because the Jack and Dian's Chili dark thing. And he's like, if one more, like, please stop fucking tagging me the ship, like you see really bad And I'm like, I was like, karba, oh, your nectar is so sweet.

Yeah, no, I can't. And honestly, that whole I don't know if we really have the equivalent event nowadays as far as it's like major popular artists, but that whole thing of like I'm the everyman and it's like you make millions of dollars. Seriously, you're not the everyman. You're not what he got three. You're sucking on a chilly dog.

Dude. He was born in a small town, going to hang out a small town. What I heard he is the most miserable asshole on the planet. Like just somebody who's got no time for anything. He's just kind of a just kind of a prick.

I don't know that's what that make Meg Ryan. The show has taken a gussip he turned y'all is so all right, So then let let's let's pick this up. So I don't have I can't think of a song that I don't but I can tell you an album that I can never listen to again through sheer repetition. Yes, and that album is Pink Floyd's The Wall. Can't do it, cannot cannot hear another bar of not any of those songs, none of them, none of them, none of them.

Because it's like I when when I when I went through like a Pink Floyd phase, I mean, I like Pink Floyd whatever. I'll listen to the Dark Side of the Moon, I Love, Wish You Were Here and some of the other things, but I want it was probably high school period, maybe it was college, Like I fell hard into a Pink Floyd thing for a time, and that was and that was one of the primary sort of artifacts that came out of that was listening like the Wall was something that I listened to a lot, mostly because you know, comfortably Numb a great song. Run Like Hell is a great song. I'm not denying that there's not great music on there, but the story is so goddamn depressing, and it's all about this, this whiny rock star who's building a wall because you didn't love him, because he can't, he can't relate to people anymore, and he's he's, you know, fuck to you, pink God, damn it, you suck.

It's so depressing and just so I just it feels like it's the worst attributes of Roger Waters kind of coming to the surface, and there's none. There's none of the musical like acumen of Dave Gilmore to kind of balance it out. It's just I can't it's too depressing, too whiny. I can't argue with any of that, but I will ask this, Can you enjoy covers of those songs by other artists? Hmmm?

Uh? I and Morrison's version of Comfortably Numb? Can you get into that? Well? Van Morrison and I have a very complications.

Did you guys have a love affair? So? I was this brown eyed girl about another artist's cover of another another song? I can't think of any right now? What about what about Thomas Goldie's inimitable uh impressionist.

That yeah, is the school teacher. Here's here's an interesting here's a bit of trivia for you. And this is another piece of formative musical history by HP. You're referring to The Wall Live in Berlin after the Wall came down. Yes, of course, you know.

You know what. I can tell you what I was doing on the day that that concert took place. You were acting, you know what I was throwing brick? Know where I was. I was at my very first concert, and you know what concert that was, Father Malone East Boys.

No, it was David Bowie, Oh Jesus, my very first concert. And I remember on the way home driving from what is now Gillette Stadium, they were simulcasting The Wall Live in Berlin on wfn X on the way home, so I listened to it on the way home, and I think at that point I heard Cindy Lauper doing another brick in the wall, and look, I love Cindy Lauper. I think she's fabulous. No, just no, no one covered, No one covered themselves in glory that evening out of Berlin. I think, Thomas, my my heart, my heart just grew three times to its original size.

That that mere man should have him to Thomas Dolby bars discussion. He's an interesting guy, like he has an interesting career. He has had an interesting career. I fu love Thomas Dolby. Have a bad word for him?

No, I don't either, But I like Mony. Are you picking on that fat old drunk? I love? I love food dance. I think it's I love into the mystic whatever.

I think he's a fat Doughey, mean spirited conspiracy theory you know, crank, That's what I think of him now. But I digress so safe cross and gets some lowery words. But poor Van Morrison, you're like dad, motherfucker. I am nothing if not inconsistent. But anyway to to to wrap up this this spit Big Floyd the Wall can't listen to it ever?

Again, that's my that's my submission. What about this is my favorite favorite thing? Ever is That's a great question. That's a great question for them alone. I wasn't expecting it, but it it triggered something deep within me.

Clearly Evidently I'm glad. I'm gonna try to keep throwing these curveballs and get the get that hide version of of HP. There you go. Did you see his eyes colored red? He's really mad at Pink Floyd Man.

He's really bad at Van Morrison too. You're like that fat best. I wasn't accepting body shaming of Van Morrison. UM, but I respect it. He deserves It's he is a dickhead.

He would call you worse and he has. That's why he's next on my lips. I don't know. I don't know what that means. That is an excellent question, And honestly, I had a hard time thinking of something until you mentioned the wall because because at first, like when I think of song as I have to turn off that that isn't something I've always just been like about.

Um. I was thinking of Suicide's Frankie Teardrop because that song is terrified and I love I love Sue Side, but that I have to this day, I've never finished that song because if it makes me literally feel like and I don't believe, not to get all religion, I'm spiritual, I don't. I don't really believe in like classical Hell or the Satan or whatever the Satan as we call him. But if the Satan is real, he's gonna come up out of the floor while you're listening to Frankie Tear Drop by Suicide. It's like terrifying.

But I love that band and I respect it. I respect that song because it's nothing like a hate But when you talked about The Wall, it clicked, and not because the Wall. I actually love The Wall and I consider it one of my favorite big Lloyd albums. But I get it. I get I get it because I mean, as far as something that has been played a lot, I totally understand that I love it.

It doesn't it I none of that has Warrenuts's welcome for me, but the Pink Floid album that has, and if I never heard one song off of it again, I will not miss it. Is dark side of the Man. I know, I know, and again I get it. What people and I I loving Floyd. I'm not a hater.

Dart's Side That Meant to Me is one of the most boring albums. I think it's overrated, but like I said earlier, it's all subjective too. I mean, it's overrated for me, but that doesn't obviously it's not going to be overrated for a lot of people. I will say I was at predicting. I thought I was going to be the scamp of this episode.

HP. Look at you, low key reps callion of noise junkie. Oh, I don't know, hot take the ghee, Like I don't know, you know, it's like it's something you know when when Father Malone asked that question in particular, I, like you, I was, I was searching my mind, like what song? Like you know, I have a few that I could, but but then just something clicked in my head and I said, wait a minute. I haven't listened to that album in years and years and years just because it was so and I can I can say objectively that it's a it's a great album.

It's produced by Bob Ezrin, it's it's amazing, the sound is incredible, and there's some really classic songs. But personally it was just through repetition and through it's just a very dark, depressing album, and it's something that it's it's not an experience that I relish, you know, experiencing over and over and over again. At this point, it's just such a harrowing journey that I'm I'm done with it, and like I said, I'm not. Roger Waters is fine whatever. But I do think that that album, like you know, he was going through a lot he as as he does, and I think it just embraced a lot of the worst impulses because it really grew up.

I think it. If I remember the story correctly, he kind of the genesis of the of the album was he was at some show and he was getting into it with some audience members and he ended up spitting on the guy while he was playing, and that affected him and he made think about what it meant to be a rock star. And that's fine and dandy, but I just I'm done with it. I can listen to the Dark Side of the Moon. I don't disagree that it's it's not a thrill a minute album.

It's really it can be a sort of it could be the fish tank in the background while you're doing other things, and I don't think it cheapens it. But but for sure, yeah, I've it's been said, I've said my piece, but you got you gotta put on the Wizard of oz Oh. Come on, you guys know you two know my heart and still with this, it's gonna be the Wasazar degree ah Mardarson, we gotta have it. Put also more motherfucking Garson Babies. I also, Wish You Were Here would be a close second.

I also I'm not a fan of that album. I think it's really see it's funny. Everything you're saying about The Wall, that's actually how I feel about Wish You Were Here. I find it dreary. Um, The Wall for me is dark, but it's a kind of dark.

I you know, I like I can kind of get nestled into. I think more and more I'm realizing about myself though. I mean my number one favorite member Pink Floyd to Sid Barrett, because my absolute number one favorite album is Pipe at the Gates at Dawn. That's the one I listened to the most. I just I love it.

The Wall would be probably number two. Uh, Roger Waters, I think more and more I prefer Water so for Gilmore, and Gilmore's a phenomenal fucking guitarist. I'm not taking anything away from him. Everybody in that band is great. Like there's not a sore spot.

What what father Mallon's making like laser eyes at me? But what I agreed with you about David fantastic guitarists. That's that's all, Um, You know, roget Waters is just a problematic human. But life is life is problematic exactly. I'm not judging anybody.

Anyone's art here based in their sort of personal beliefs necessarily, Like I don't, I don't need to like want to punch John Cougar in the face to hate that fucking tune. And I'm not gonna hold I'm not gonna hold Roger Waters accountable for that album here back in like nineteen seventy eight, but for his current political views. I agree with you, like I think Dave Gilmore's a fucking fantastic guitars But but those songs are are Roger Waters, you know, like that yeah, And there's a lot of those tunes that I can pull out of the wall and sort of separated from the nonsense of the storyline because who cares ultimately, like it made a good movie, but like as a narrative on an album, I don't, I don't really care.

But the songs themselves are so fucking good, Oh my god, even even like me come on, like I date a dirty woman and you got that little part like yeah boop boop yeah hello, Like I love that shit. I love the little phone operator and Actually, one of the last movies I like that made me cry was when I rewatched The Wall Like but it's the scene though, where he's a kid and it's doing Mother, which that song is so heavy and like, I don't anytime somebody's like seeing a dead animal or dead pet, it just fucks with me. That's so why I don't watch kids movies, because there's always the minute you see an animal, you know, something stupid, it's gonna happen. Like now I'm gonna go watch it. I'm gonna watch a movie where you know, like Brad du you know, drinks the blood of villagers.

It's subspecies that that is heartwarming for me. Oh that's you know, you gotta have priorities, say yeah, that's especially Van Morrison apparently HP. I kept thinking, I thought you were gonna go somewherever. You're like, you know, I let him some money, that churl, that varlet we'll drink the black sperm of my vengeance because he did not Van Morrison. And maybe he's a good guy.

He's not expect he's probably he's probably just a crank. But you know, I, you know, it is what it is. I I and that I didn't like his version of Comfortably Now, even before I knew I mean, I didn't even know who Van Morrison really was at that time. I just saw this sort of like, I don't know, and that was probably close to prime time for my love of the Wall. I was probably most enamored of the album at that time, and maybe that's why I have such a visceral reaction to him singing it because or any of them for that matter, because it not.

Let's be honest, none of the covers done during that that landmark sort of concert could pull the candle to the original album, right. I mean, there's just no way. What about Thomas Dolby's meets Oh my God, I'm probably Goldby school Teacher is better than Roger Waters school team. I'm pulling that ship up when we get done recording. I'm not even choking.

I need this in my veins before I go to bed. I have to, you know, go into La La land. I need Thomas seriously. And Phil we were talking about YouTube earlier and I had this notion in my head, like I had this dim memory of a song that he did, a video he did it called Hyperactive. Oh it's a brilliant video.

Yeah, I said to myself, like, it was that song as weird as I remember it, Like did he really pitch his voice up like an octave? And I said, sure enough, there it is, he did that. It actually happened. Oh you know who directed that video? Me?

I was twelve, but I had an eye. It was Falling Alone our Noise Junkie Zone following Alone. No, it was Thomas Dolby. Oh my god. Yeah, seriously, yeah, now he like that's that's the kind of genius this dude is.

Because yeah, HP, you're under percent right, Like this man has always been one of the most forward thinking sort of creatives. And also for any of you cult film fans that might be listening to this to our Noise Junkies episode Father Alone and I talked about Racula with Chris on Culture Casts. That's true where Thomas Delby plays a van helsing proxy. Have you seen Racula? HP?

Oh you know what, I that's so weird. I just came across Racula. I didn't even I'm sure I knew it existed, but I don't know one of the I think it was actually today. This is so shaky. Yeah, I was just kind of like going through.

You know, I was half working, half going through like other stuff, and there was it was like Fred, you talk about Fred, Fred Flintstone meets with Rocula, and there was something else. No, No, we were talking about. This was a movie called Fred Flintstone Meets Rocula and like Rockenstein or something. I'm totally serious. I thought that's what you were talking about.

God, No, there's a film from like nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety called Rocula, just called Rocula and it's got Dean Camera and Tony Basil or Basil. Uh, Thomas Dolby bet was it? Was it? Beanie King? Was it?

Oh? It's worth fifty bucks? The lead the Lates of Wire Train, which is a really good and unjustly underrated, uh, sort of post punk new wave band from the eighties and nineties. They opened for Bob Dylan, Father Malone. I didn't see them on tour.

I've seen Dylan a bunch of times, but I want to. I want to see the Van Morrison tour where we go with HP and and and we do the like sort of shitty punk thing where we're just like fold our arms and just staring at there and then and then at one point, HP you look at him and do that like that eyes gestured with your fingers like this means you motherfucker. I go, yeah, do a comfortably numb you. Yeah. Also, when I think of Van Morrison, I think of two things.

Um My my boo pointed it pointed thee years ago that um and I just like saying that my boo, uh at moon Dance he does this is really dumb thing where he's like, I E I E yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't unhear that now. I'm like, I anticipate that that weird throat warble. Also, my beloved my Luster Banks, one of my art heroes, loved astral Weeks as one of his favorite albums, and I actually found a very and I reiterate very cheap years copy in the wild and about it. So I do plan on delving into that and just to see what Lester I love luster Banks I don't, and a graded The thing is like, you know, you don't always have to agree with your heroes either. I mean, there was a Grateful Dead album that Lester loved too, and I'm good on that, but um, astral Weeks is awesome.

This is the answer to that question. It's fucking fantastic. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, Magic, Celtic Jazz Magic. I don't care what he became for a while there, Man oh Man was so fucking good.

Can we change my name to Celtic Jazz Magic? Yes? All right, gang, Well, thank you guys so much for joining us on this inaugural episode of Noise Junkies. We're looking forward to taking you more and more on these various journeys that we were going to. We have a lot of great episodes planned and we're looking forward to get in the ball further going.

But in the meantime, I want to thank my illustrious co host. I could not be the luckiest person in the world without getting to do a show with Father alone an HP guys, thank you so much. Is there anything i'll go with you, Father Malone? Is there anything you want to plug real quick? Yeah?

I got a ton of shows that I do over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. My newest one is Astounding Talents of the public Domain. Those are enhanced audio performances of classics, sci fi things, and just a lot of other stuff. Go to Father Malone dot com too. I have a lot of video nonsense that you might enjoy highly highly recommend by doing that.

Also weirding we maybe go to the YouTube, There's Facebook, It's all over social media Instagram as well. What about you HP. First, I want to say I really I've had a great time. Thanks so much to both of you for making this inaugural episode so much fun. You can find I too, am all over weirding Way Media myself and follow him alone.

We have several podcasts including Wolf and Raisin the banda check podcast, we do a night Mister Walters, a taxi podcast. I've I've guessed it on the Culture Cast with with both of you of course, as well as myself and Chris and Uh, I've and this this great podcast. So go to weirding Way Media and check out all of all of our cool stuff. I also I am a musician and I've did the theme song that you guys heard and we'll hear in the outro. And I've done also heard a bumper you heard check it out.

HB made that too. That's this is awesome about you? Me? Um well, um you can find me over at my website Mondo Heather dot com. Um.

I am a film culture music writer Esoteric Goddess if you will, so come find me over there, and as well at social media Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. You could look at heather drain, but be careful. There are false heather drains that are They seem lovely, but they're you know. Just look for the weird redhead or at Mondo Heather. I'm also on Patreon, um so look me up.

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