Campfire Stories with Chris' Mom: Bigfoot, Aliens, The Other Side

Weird. Hi everyone, Hello from the other side. I'm not on you on the other side. I'm not You're not dead before you you're normally listening, Yes to the show. That's what the others Jesus Christ, Hello from the dead world.

I'm dead. Yeah, wouldn't that be something here? I mean, with my dead mom and she's we're doing a podcast together and she's dead. Fuck. Wow, it's a great way to start it.

Startay us. No, I'm very happy to be here today because I usually am always on the other side listening, So I'm glad to be here today, not listening. Here not listening. So well, we've had my dad on before a couple of years ago. I think that was during the height of the pandemic.

But now the pandemics more or less over, so they say on the internet. And now, I mean, we've talked about this before, and we talked about this a couple of times, and it's I mean again, it's because one of those things where I don't necessarily know what we're going to talk about, but I'm sure we'll buying things to talk about. So before well, just in general, before we kind of go in the direction that we may go what what are your thoughts on Let's do like a rapid fire round. Uh yeah, yeah, yes, you know. My feelings on these things are very well known at this point.

If anyone is listening to this nose En has listened to this show before. What are your feelings on big foot? I know it's gonna show. You are coming on, Yeah, exploit. I'm stumped.

I'm asking you to get I'm not asking you to answer the question of what big foot is. Just tell me what your thoughts on big Okay. I I don't believe in big I don't don't believe in big foot. I don't believe this big foot stuff. And you don't believe in big foot, Well I buy it for you because I know you like big every now you're your mom.

I guess, I guess the I guess everyone is just staring at me and going this psychotic person believes a big foot None of us too? Why not? I'm curious, like genuinely curious. What what? What are the stumbling blocks to you believing that bigfoot is real?

I'm you're allowed to give an answer. No, I know, I am. I'm just I'm processing. I just don't believe it exists. I think it's just made up something that people think they see or they want to see it and they imagine it.

Well, what are they seeing instead? I think they're seeing, you know, a bear or a combination of things. Yes, a bear, a bear, a really tall bear like a bear, and or a really tall bear. Two bears in a trench coat, you know. I mean, it can't always be bears though, that's my that's the only thing, because some places there aren't bears.

Yes, well it could it could be well are there though yettis tailor bears. It could be a person who hasn't bathed in a long time. Okay, so like a mountain person, yes, being tall and looking like an ape, somebody who hasn't been around people and it's scared of people. No one's gonna listen to this show. I don't feel like I don't feel I don't feel like, well no, I don't know.

I mean, I get it, But at the same time, I feel like, if it's a person out in the woods, that still doesn't account for why Bigfoot has such big feet and it's tall. Could look like that, sure, but like it doesn't answer the question as to like the physical quote deformities I guess he would say, right, bigfoot super tall, and Bigfoot has big feet supposedly allegedly, Yeah, allegedly he has big feet in this really tall? So is that what it is? You just think that people are making it up? Yes, a constantly.

Do you think anyone has ever seen up any Do you think the Bigfoot doesn't exist at all? So people are all just miss seeing something completely. I'm just asking, Yes, that's that's my feeling. What about Blockness monster? Same thing?

Blockness monsters even word, because it's like it's in a thing. It's not like big when we say bigfoot, it's like it could bigfoots everywhere, Like Blockness is there in the lock nest. Yeah, the loch Ness monster, that's part of the name. I don't believe in the Lockness Monster. I don't like at all.

I have a hard time. I have a hard time with those thesius surds. What's it called? Please, it's like a dinosaur, because that's always what that is, Like, well, it's a dinosaur. That didn't that People say it's a like a big piece of wood floating in the water.

So well that might that's probably more of what it acts. But it really is well, well, those pictures were faked. Was like a toy submarine with like a little plastic thing on top. So what about ghosts, Well, let's leave that one for you, because that's a good one. That's a good one.

What about because I do believe Okay, well we can get to that one. Then what about one? It's another big I'm trying to think there's any kind of a lot of these other ones, like specific things. Who killed JFK? Oh you like that?

That's the call that's on page forty seven of the President's Oh my God, no from Natural Treasure too. Yeah, that's on you can look at the book page No, I didn't, but that's what I'm assuming the President asks God Benjamin Gates too, and then and then they ignored it with the new show. So yes, they surely did kill JFK. Who killed JFK? I don't believe it was.

I don't believe it was Oswald because that's that that shot that they say that he made that came from behind. But when you see the actual footage of JFK and his head's going back, how do you hit somebody from behind and your head goes back, wouldn't that's the motion. That's the way your body reacts when you're That is the way your body would react. The real question that should be asked is why take that shot when he was driving straight at him? Correct?

Like, yeah, I mean that. I don't understand. I will never understand that. I don't believe it. I don't he maybe he Maybe Oswald made the initial shot, but there had to have been somebody else on the street, is it?

Do you think? Do you think? Yeah, do you think there were other people in? Well, Oswald didn't run out of the thing and run down there and do the second or third shot. There had to been somebody else on the street.

Okay, I agree with that, and I think there were multiple people there were. They're the sorry I'm not a big government person. Sorry, audience. The government's never gonna tell us, right, but they don't have any interest. There's no vest in it.

They's interest in not telling it. They may not know themselves. They do know because they were they were part of it, but they're they're never They're never going to tell us. The government was part of it in some form. I think they let it happen.

DFK was trying to dismantle the CIA and the FBI, and those two groups, those two big government entities have no interest in being dismantlemantled by a president who gets it in his druthers to go and dismantle. I mean that's what he said. He said he was gonna go do it. He was gonna do it, he was trying to do it. But then also he was trying to take down the mafia, so they had a vested interest in JFK being dead.

Also and the Cuban so it's like they're plenty of I mean JFK painted a big target on his forehead and he had he was doing things he wasn't supposed to be doing doing was at me. Well, there's also like that the whole Maryland Monroe. Yeah, that he killed her. Yeah, well he not that he did well, no, but that's there was some hand in it. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't it was.

JFK is a weird No, No, it's just a weird It was a confluence of weird things because it was like the celebrity was like the president was like a celebrity, yes, which is a weird thing. Well, I don't know whether it was because he was and then somebody in your audience will probably have to correct me. I don't. I think he was at that time, he was probably the youngest person ever elected, and he was he was Catholic, which people were worried that the pope was going to have a direct line to the president. That's what they were worried about.

Yeah, I mean in my mind while I was little then it doesn't matter. But I mean, in my mind, I don't care what religion the president is. Whoops, I'll probably get in trouble, but that's the reverse. You will not get in trouble for saying you don't care what religion the president is. The reverse.

People will say, yeah, me either, myself included. It just there were just a lot of there's a lot of stuff going on with him because he was a very I mean people like to think that Trump is some sort of like anomaly and like being a weird person for president. But JFK was Catholic, which again people now might not think that's weird, but at the time that was like a big deal. That alone was a big deal and also being very young, and you know it just I'm also like an establishment family. The Kennedys were like a non political family.

They're like in Trench. Yes, so yeah, yeah, has a weird it's his father was in politics in one way or well with the Nazis. Yeah, I mean his family is well not to think about. You know the way conspiracy theories in this country used to be used to be stuff like nine to eleven and JFK and stuff like that, and now it's you know, QAnon and that ship and it's like, this shit's not even you can't even have a discussion about this because it's not like the JFK thing that comes from a that stems from a belief of like, like you said, distrust to the government, belief that the government doesn't necessarily have our best interests in mind, regardless of who's empowered. That stems from that.

And now it's like it's been taken towards like Jewish space lasers starts forest fires, and it's like that's not fun. That's anti Semitic and stupid, like and your and and you're stupid for believing it. Like sorry, that's not the kind of conspiracy theory that I can get down with. And I don't you know, I think the other hosts of this show, Jesse and Emma and Maggie would agree with me, because like, that's those aren't conspiracy theories. You know, when I have Rob Scavarlan and we talk about the fun conspiracies, we always talk about it bridging both sides of the political spectrum.

It's not just one side or the other. And that's when conspiracy theories are being used for political gain is when it's a problem. When it's being used to shine a light on the ship that's going on, that's affecting all of us, that's when it's fine. And when the government feels like it can overstep its boundaries to the point of killing a president, that's when we should be worried. I mean that's the problem.

Yes, compiracy theories now are fucking like they're kuku banana shit that nobody should be believed. I think probably before Kennedy was assassinated, people probably trust trusted the government more, and then I think after his assassination it made people doubt the government well. And not only did it allow the I think it allowed more people to openly distrust the government, but I think it I think to your point, it made it popular a popular thing. I mean the nineties, I mean stuff like the X files and stuff. I mean, the thing is with the Kennedy assassination.

The Kennedy I mean, the Kennedy assassination was a big deal in the nineties. But that's like thirty years after it happened. We think about it. I mean, but it was a big deal in the nineties. So I don't know.

I just I feel like the Kennedy assassination is a good thing in terms of conspiracy theories because it's like the original one. But it's a bad thing also because at the same time, it's resurgence in the nineties with people like Build Cooper with you know, on a pale horse. Those kinds of thing are fueled by that distrust of the government. So that's the reason why we're here now with all these like people who are believing things that are very hard for mainstream. I mean, the belief that Kennedy was assassinated by someone other than Oswald is mainstream, right.

QAnon is not mainstream. It's not it never will be. I mean, that's the reason it's not taking hold the way that other things did is because the beliefs are too fantastical and radical for more than a small portion of people to believe so like you know about like Building seven collapsing and that being kind of weird that a building that was just damaged by the buildings falling also kind of collapsed. Oh you're talking Are you talking about Towers one and two? No, that's like I don't I think I think that that.

I don't. I think, if anything, people in our government turned a blind eye. But I don't think like there were bombs and stuff. I think that's like a little bit there were bombs in them. Yeah, that's a little fun.

Like that's a little much for me, Like if that's what happened to find but like even if that's what happened, you'd have it's that's a pretty steep hill to get me to believe it. I have a hard time believing that our government had something to do with it. I mean directly direct What if they had something to do with it indirectly like let like not letting it happen, but just seeing it as a seeing it as an opportunity balls in their eyes and going down maybe it seems maybe it'll happen, maybe not. Yeah, seeing is it an opportunity to like, you know, well, it'll allow us to like in you the military industrial complex and we'll go to war. I mean, we were in Afghanistan and Iraq until that's a that's a last year.

That's a pretty horrible way too. Pretty bad. Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's horrible, but people make people make money off of doing horrible things. I would rather not think, right, I would rather not believe that our government had I turned a blind eye or just let it happen.

I think I think a better phrase is less our government, people in our government, because that people that would be pretty horrible. But that but like that is horrible, and that's the problem. Like you, you can't live in the society we live in now and pretend like these things aren't happening, because you have to be cognizant of them and not not not that any one of us can really stop it. It would, but being aware of it is more important than pretending, oh well, but I just don't think about it. It doesn't exist, Like it's still gonna exist, right, because it was very it was inferior, infuriating to see something like that happening on us, But at the same time, that was the point, that was the intended outcome.

Yes, if you were angry, correct which allowed them to take your rights away. They took your rights away at the airport, they took your rights away with your cell phone, they took your rights away with your internet privacy. And everybody gave their rights up willingly because they were all angry. Correct. And again, not like you personally could have done anything any more than anyone else could have, because none of us have that kind of power.

But the government took a lot. The government took rights away under the guise of it's for your own for your safety, yeah, for your safety, for your own good. Yes. And then again, you know now that we're on the other side of COVID. If you look back on what happened, in some way, the same thing happened, we are rights were further eroded once again because again the idea of quote safety unquote, and again I the efficacy of the vaccines is not in question.

The vaccine work. Go get vaccinated. You need to be vaccinated if you're at high risk war in general, because I've gotten COVID in it. It's not as bad if you're vaccinated. But at the same time, the government got to do what the government got to do, and they did it because they were again under the guise of your safe.

They were doing things for our safe, overstepping their boundaries again and again again. It is what it is. But every time something like this happens, it's like it's just further eroded and further eroded, and at some point there won't be anything left to erode and then God bless the government. They think they know better for everybody. They always but they always do.

It's regardless of whose empowered, but there you are, regardless of whose empower. They always think that they know best. Don't agree, but okay, but agreeing with you. Agreeing with the government is never a good idea for the most part, because they have their own agenda as well. Go speak to the UFO community and they can tell you all about it.

That's why nobody should ever believe anything that's ever been disclosed by the US government regarding UFOs, because it's the government disclosing. Yeah, why would you believe the government. They're the ones who are covering it up. They're the ones who are actively covering it up. Why would anyone believe what they're disclosing.

It's always a weather below, yeah, or or is we just don't know what it is and it's like, well, how is that any different? You're confirming that you don't know what it is? How does that help us? So what? Like that's it's weird too, because that's all these things have been disclosed recently.

It's like, we don't know what this is. And it's like okay, great, well, well it just begs the question. It's like, okay, so if you don't know what it is and we don't know what it is, do you actually not know what it is? Because if you don't, that is a bigger problem than if you're covering it up, because I would like to believe you're just saying, well, we don't know what it is, but you actually know and it's just part of the cover up. That's easier for me to stomach.

Then if you don't actually know what it is, which I don't think is the case. That doesn't seem like it could be the case. But I don't understand how anyone in normal society believes that that could be the case, that the government actually doesn't know. So what do you believe? Alien?

Oh? God, that's a that's a hard one, is it. Yeah, people have pretty strong feelings on aliens. Well, No, I'm not going to make friends here, I'm sure, but I friends, this is the right place. Yeah, I don't believe in aliens?

Why? How how do you? Okay, I don't believe it because I've never I've never seen I feel like I feel like you're I feel like that is the That is the argument someone who was wanting to believe should be using that you've never seen them. You're at you you were a skeptic, but you want to believe, right? Don't you want to believe that they're aliens?

Wouldn't it be a little boring if this was it that we were the only sentient life forms on the study? Yeah? Okay, Look, it's not statistically possible that that's the case, So there have to be other things out there. Do you Are you more hung up on other people telling you that they've seen aliens or it's just you've never seen them. No, I don't care what other people have seen.

I've never seen one, So you don't believe so I've never seen them? Yeah? Interesting? Uh? Interesting?

But do you want to believe in them or do you so? Okay, so take a side that you've never seen them. Do you want to believe in aliens or do you believe that they don't exist until you've seen them? If they don't exist, what are all these people saying must be saying something? It's not just one shared delusion theoretical.

I mean, I guess it could be they're all sniffing the same you know, stinky air or something. I don't know. Well, that's the question. Do you want to believe that there's more going on than just this, because like aliens, mean, there's more going on than just this. I mean, believing in aliens in this day and age is tantamount to believing in a higher power as far as I'm concerned.

If something else exists out in the universe, then then we're not the only ones. That mean, there's a lot of things that that means for a lot of people that they refuse to believe because it doesn't fit with the narrative of what they've been taught since they were child. Religiosity and uphology, as it were, do not necessarily mix. They mix in certain areas, but there are plenty of areas where those two things are almost diametrically opposed to one another, unless you go the whole ancient aliens route, which is only a more recent thing that's recent, that's from the mid seventies. Maybe maybe it has something to do with the ancient ancient astronaut theorists theorized because when I when I do watch that show, that show gives me a headache because I'm trying so hard to understand and to maybe think that what they're saying kind of makes sense that it makes my head er.

I mean, Ancient Aliens is kind of they take fun of show to watch for entertainment value. Yeah, they kind of take it too far in my opinion. So but I think that's I mean, that's like, I don't know, they trust junk science. There's a lot of junkie. I mean, there's it's it's an entertaining show.

That doesn't mean that there's going to be any sort of like doing close to the facts or you or or presenting the evidence in an honest way, make it present it in a less than honest way to make it fit the evidence, the fit the argument that they're making. So maybe I need to watch it with a different mindset. It's just entertainment, Like it's purely entertainment there, there's there's not a lot to be gleaned from it. I mean there are some things that but I mean again, if you go and look some of the stuff, it's like this is not a thing like at all. I get the I guess aliens have most of the time, I don't want to say all the time are portrayed as being evil or not nice or whatever.

So my mom is a very My mom tries to think about the happy all the time. Guys, I would I would prefer to not encounter a mean alien? Would I would like to encounter Et sometimes? Okay, but who would christ like alien? Yeah?

I don't want to encounter Et. Why because eat? Because fucking eat. Because the story of ET is weird. Well, of course, it's when alien comes to Earth and plays father to a child wild who doesn't have a father, and then that alien dies and is resurrected.

Like Jesus, wow, I never even thought of it that way. What what you just the alien as a stand in for his dad. Yeah, that's what it feels like, he like helps raise him. Yeah, it's fucking that. Okay, he's weird, but fine, I mean it's Steven Spielberg, you know, kind of like, boy, I just learned something.

He always is like grappling with his like family life, and like what his family meant to him, and how his family fell apart. Was that Steven Spielberg always okay, I did not that alien dad left at the end of the moon. I'll be right here. I'll be right here. Yeah, I know you don't want to meet et.

I never even thought of that. I mean, I don't know. Aliens are fine. I believe in aliens. Yeah, we went to Roswell, Yes we did.

We went to the crash side and all that stuff. We went to a crash site. Yes, we don't know which crash we went to. I don't know we went to where? Correct me if I'm wrong.

We were in Roswell. We were taking to where the alien spaceship hit a rock and cleved it in half. Right, correct, supposedly suppose yeah, every allegedly everything is supposedly Oh yeah, in the middle. We'll not take you out see where the UFOs gray. Right, I'm sure sure whatever hand is Overston, allow my truck out to my And so you go out there to Roswell, and you stand out there and you turn all the lights off, and you look up into the night skin.

You can see why somebody thought they saw something correct, it's dark. I mean dark's pitch black. Can't see the light there. I think you went there yourself with with Tata at Marfa, Texas where you go out where you go out there at night and you're supposed to see lights in the sky. Yeah, but that's like the reflection from the other side of the kids.

And you stand there and you stand there and and look and before you know it, boy, don't you see something? And I just I think it's I think it's you're I'm having a hard time. I think you want to see something so bad that there it is hallucination, yeah, like manifestation. I mean we went we I think it was last summer. We yes, it was last year.

We went to Marfa and we stood there and we stood there, and we stood there, and you know, we said we saw something. I think it's because you want to see it. Yeah, so it you make yourself in your head go yeah I saw it. Yeah. But we went all the way to northern Canada and we didn't see polar bear.

And we could have. But you know what I mean, same thing. Well, you drove around for hours and didn't see a single thing. We didn't conjure up a polar bear. No, well we couldn't.

I think some of this stuff is natural phenomenon, and I think some of this is just the natural world. I mean, you go out hunting, you're not necessarily going to see something. I mean, I use the polar bear thing for an example, because people always go, why are bigfoot hunters out there finding bigfoot and getting photos of big foot? It's like, well, if you're going out looking for bigfoot, it would stand to reason that you might find bigfoot if you go looking, which is why to me, it's not surprising when people who go out looking for aliens find alien right in my mind, you know. But like again, like if you go and see it.

Now, if you're going to a place where there's a natural phenomenon and you see the natural phenomenon, I don't know if that's you manifesting wanting to see it. You may just be seeing what you're there to see. Correct. You go to Marfa to see the Marpha lights and you see the Marpha lights. I think you went to Marfa and you saw the Marpha lights, you know.

I think I think the box was double check. You went to Marfa and you saw the light. That's my point like if you go ufo hunting and you see UFOs, wouldn't that be a success? Wouldn't people who saw you go, oh, you're doing a good job at this thing, as opposed to oh, you're double lying, because that's what it always is. Think about it, like, think about all these you know, I mean, it shows a side because again, once the publicity angle comes in, I think maybe that's the national publicity.

But think about someone who's like a ghost hunter, like and they go and they go into a haunted house and they get something. People go, oh, of course you got something. It's like, I mean, of course it's not. It's not a given you're gonna see a ghost or here's something. We went to the Sally House Kate, and I didn't.

I didn't see anything, We didn't hear anything. I wouldn't even pretend that I heard anything because I wouldn't want to diminish it if I go back and actually see something, because I wouldn't want it to be well, you went twice and you saw something both times. I went to the Zach Beagan's Haunted Museum twice and I only saw something weird in the mirror the one time, not both because again, like it's not guaranteed. Yeah, I'm I'm I would not I would not go to any of those, like a haunted house. Why, like an actually haunted place, because I would be afraid, afraid of what?

Well, I would you believe in ghost or you believe in demons? Well, you believe in bad stuff. I believe in ghosts. But I don't want to put myself in a situation where I'm purposely going somewhere to interact with a go the thing. The things that have happened to me that I believe are are things that were random.

Right. Yes, I'm not going to put listen. I don't want to put myself in a spot where you're there for that so I know, I know something might happen. No, think I'm not that tough, huh. Are that you exist?

You exist in the real world. I mean you're for the most part, any of these things that you interact with will not be able to do any think to you. I mean that's a given. I mean, that's the given part of this here for the most part. But I just don't care to be that scared or are being on the edge all the time thinking, but what if you interpret it less as scared, but more as an opportunity to interact in a new and meaningful way with something that's hard to understand.

Why does it have to be scared again? If you take out the idea that it's somehow bad, I just understand that it's like you're going you might interact somehow again. We can't understand what we can't. We don't understand something we don't know, so we just don't. I mean, I think it's just a person option thing, Like because you hear about interactions where people aren't negative, it's not overwhelmingly negative.

I think it's fifty fifty. Well that's my personality flaw is that if you say, oh, we're going to haunt a place that's haunted in my mind, I automatically think it's gonna be scary or something bad. So it's a personality. I think it's an expectation. It's you don't watch scary movies sometimes with you?

Yeah, when you make me, I mean, is that a making you think? It's just more like it like this is a good movie. It doesn't matter that it's a horrible like no one but the Doll, Doll conjuring. Yeah, An Annabel Comes Home. That wasn't even that scared.

No, it was kind of no. The other one, the None that was that was that was kind of goofy. Yeah. But the Exorcist, well, it's not even scary. The Exorcist is scary for a different reasons.

Excercist is scary because it feels real. The movie feels real. I've seen plenty of scary movies that aren't scary at all that you would find gross more than scary. I will I will agree with you that it feels more like the Exorcist captured something on film. That's where I come from with the Exorcist.

To compare other things that the Exorcist is unfair, the Exorcist is like, is its own thing. I think of movies that send people throwing up in the aisles, and not because the camera was shaky like in clover Field or people jumping over the seats like in Jaws. Those are movies that elicit an a visceral reaction from people in a way that cinema doesn't normally, but if it is really effective, it can. That movie came out when in the late seventies, had seventies seventies and there was rated R at that time, And I mean I wasn't even allowed to go see it, so I didn't watch it until I was like, I'm seventeen eighteen, and I didn't want to watch horse that kid. But then again, I wasn't allowed to do much anyway, So it really doesn't matter about the movie.

Well, I think the expectation with haunted and hauntings is that it it's always going to be negative. It's gary. Yeah, well it's where the movies, right, you know, the Conjuring Annabelle, Like, none of the things that happened in those movies are remotely positive. People are getting chased around the house by ghosts. Ghosts are screaming and yelling, doing all sorts of ship like the ghosts usually have not I's like, none of this is remotely positive.

So if that's the expectation, then I understand why one wouldn't want to go to a quote haunted house, Right, I've never been to Well, hey, you've buen to plenty of haunted places. You've been to plenty of haunted places. You have to have you exist in the world. Just think about I have hotels that you've stayed at, restaurants you've eaten it are haunted, they have to be. There are plenty of them.

You just don't go there because they're haunt because they're haunted. No, I do not. There are people that do. Yeah, I know it. Oh no, I have some.

I have several friends that go to places because they're haunted. It's not for me. I think it would be fun got stay overnight in a place that's haunted, and they like, do like an investigation, go with like some ghost hunters. Would you do it? Would you do it?

You go do all of this sudden crazy shit. Get the fuck out of here. Don't even you go fuck into Egypt. I have friends who were surprised that you were going to Egypt because it's perceived as dangerous. Because it's perceived as dangerous, do you understand You have to understand it's a perception here thing, it's not a reality.

You're going. How is my point to when you're like, I won't going on a house, It's like, why, it's the same thing. It's like, it's not dangerous. The danger is in your mind. Yes it is, it is.

And I guess when I went to Egypt, I didn't feel like I was in danger. Well, my point. That's a perception thing I was talking to be fun. You were you were all about conquering your fears. It would be fun to go out on a ghost investigation overnight do like EVP, do some spirit But it would be fun.

I'd probably never sleep, but that's what you wouldn't be sleeping. Yeah, you would be up all night. You'd you're up all night and locked in the place doing the investigation with the people with the ev I know people, we could go do it. We'll go, We'll go, We'll we'll that'll be yeah, that would It would be fun only because again, if it's to be believed that spirits feed off of energy, the different like you wouldn't all you also wouldn't want to go on one of these things where it's like everybody's a believer, Okay you know what I mean? Yeah, because like what's the point of a bunch of people who are going I believe having them in a room like if it's if it doesn't you think if everybody believes that something's gonna happen, well if well, it's more of like an energy thing.

It's like these things maybe you know can sense the energy of the people that are in there, and it may not want to present itself if the group is just a bunch of people that are all believer. Okay, you know, and again like I'm I'm putting intent to something we can't understand. But you know, if it's to be believed that these things have intent, they might be able to sense the energy of you being standoffish, not used personally, but someone who doesn't believe being standoffish to them and being like all right, well I'll show you or something to that effect. Again, I was putting intent to something we can't understand. You do all this other crazy shit it you go and fucking fish in the Amazon River.

I'm not going to go do that. That does not sound. That sounds horrifying to me. You're doing shit like that, And see what I mean like that? I would that doesn't seem safe to me.

Well see what I mean that se perception. I would go stand in a haunted house in Kansas. We can go to Kansas. We can go to Atchason, Kansas. When you guys come up, we can go stay overnight there.

We can go do it. It's like three hundred bucks. That's it. You go stay overnight in the Sally house where the guy was getting scratched on his chest and she saw the show. Dah, yeah, yeah, we can go do that, you know, I think, I think that's a house in Kansas.

How is that scarier or as scary than going to the Amazon to fish for piranhas that you're then using to catch worse, bigger, horvying, more horrifying fish, And that's scarier. That's less scary than some ghosts and house in Kansas. I thought many times when I was on we were on the boat in the Amazon, what if something happens to the guide and any of my listeners whose parents are doing that, please let me know. I'd love to hear from you so we can commiserate about whether or not we would go and do it, because there's no parents or nuts or I would never go fucking do that. We did it twice.

I fucking aware you liked it so much the first time you win again? Yeah well yeah, well, Tata, I don't go get kicked in the nuts twice because I like it. Tata wanted to catch a big catfish, which he did one hundred and twenty pounds in the fucking river in the river in the Amazon, and I caught a vampire fish, do you Yeah? Do you understand that that sounds way more horrifying than ghosts in the continental United States, where after you're done you can drive and have breakfast at McDonald's, Like you do you understand I'm not going to shit in a bucket and pour it into the Amazons with the giant fish that I'm trying to catch them. Eat my poo poo.

You know what I like here? I know that's not what we did. Your person, your perspective on this, I think is missing a little skewed me. So what so? Okay?

So do you believe a ghost in a religious or non religious fashion? Does your belief in ghosts tied to religion because that's like a conveecious Absolutely not. Yeah, No, it does not feel like you've gotten less religious the older you've got. Yes, that weird? Is that weird for you because you went to Catholic school as a kid.

I don't know if it's weird, but oh yes. Do you feel like it was your choice to be Catholic? Well, do you feel like it was your choice to be baptized Catholic? No? No, I mean you when you're in generally in the Catholic religion.

You baptize babies, so you don't ask the baby, Hi, would you like to be would you like to be baptized? No? But I mean my parents were Catholic, My grandmother was Catholic. I mean's just lying of like, well, okay, here, you just keep walking into the same rake over and over again. Yeah.

Yeah, this kid hid it in the face, but I went nobody wants to have a not smashed it nose. I went to Catholic school from kindergarten all the way through high school. Yeah. Well, and that, dude, it I mean, religious indoctrination is a thing. I mean, that's what this is.

I mean, that's what that is, right, I mean that's what it is. Yeah. And you you don't put kids in religious school so that they're not constantly being subjected to religious shit all the time, right, You put them there so that they are because the perception is by them being religious, that means they're good. I guess, good people. I guess is that what you were told growing up?

Yeah? Well again, like you're gonna be a good person. That's a bunch of ye coming from the Catholics, as very rich as they would say thank you don't even well, Catholics have not done anything wrong in the last hundred years five five seconds, maybe the last five seconds. They haven't done anything, but Bryan last ten minutes. God only knows.

Again, I won't make any friends, I'm sure, but I'm the older, I get the less. Why why do you think you're gonna make not make friends on this show? I don't know when it's people my age who And I've tried telling you this. The if you talk to people younger than you, the younger you get, the less religion there is. Like yeah, I know, like over like to the point where they're the like religious establishments are getting nervous because the hey, guys don't get vaccinated for COVID.

Oh and my god, how many parishioners got COVID and died because they were old and couldn't get themselves. Yeah, but I know, But then what happens now now there's less people, and there aren't people my age filling the bunkers because we're not fucking wasting our time in organized religion. Our religion is much more personal to us in the form of spirituality. Yeah, boy, that sucks. How's un doesn't it?

Yeah? But I know it's the God's plan. Yes, it's all it's alms. Yeah, play for me. My husband's dead.

Can you donate to my go fund me now you don't have any money. I'm sorry. If that was If that was God's plan, then in my in my head, I keep wondering what bad things happen to people? And things happen all the time to our friends, good friends, family, this, that cancer, God only knows what else. And then people will say, oh, well, that's God's plan.

Well where was he when the person got answer or got COVID or passed away unexpectedly? Where where was he there? Why wasn't he protecting that person? Then we're strong. That makes strong people.

I don't want you understand that. No, I don't. Don't you understand that it's about being strong. You're a stronger person because your wife died of COVID. Okay, okay, You're a stronger person because you lost both of your legs by a drunk driver hitting you.

You're a stronger person now because you can't use your legs anymore. Thanks God, Thanks God for ruining my life. So you know, people still say, oh, you know, send out prayers for whatever I have friends prayers or whatever. I don't know yours or whatever. I don't send prayers anymore.

I send juju okay, either peaceful, healing, happy. Is that cultural appropriation? I don't know. I'm just joking. I don't think it is, but I don't do I don't positive energy sending good vibes.

I don't send good vibes, good vibes like the Beach Boys, good vibe, good vibration, vibrations. I just cannot bring myself anymore to say you're in my prayers or religion an aid, because I don't believe you. Guys baptized me in Greek Orthodox. You know what that means, dick, It means you. It means I was put in a bathtub that wasn't ours one time when I was a kid.

That's what it means. They don't mean shit. I mean shit to anybody. You don't want to put any character here. So that was good because none of it matters, because none of it is actually real.

It's all our ability to perceive, like what we're what is our perception and assignment to value of dunking a child in a tub of water? I get it, but like it means nothing. It means nothing if you reject it completely, because now as an adult, you realize you had no choice in that matter, correct, I mean at least you know, at least you made decisions like that that didn't affect you physically. I mean again, you know what I mean. There's plenty of cultures around the world that do way worse thing to children than dunk them in a tub of water.

So I mean, you know what I mean. I mean realistically, like, there's way worse things that could be had. So yeah, religious in doctorations a fucking thing. Religion sucks. Do you think how much like the land is taken up by churches in this country and how much time is wasted, money is wasted, and stupid shit we were tied to organized religion.

I don't have any problem with religion. I have a problem with organized religion. When people get involved in religion, religion should ultimately be up to you, the person to decide, not someone else telling you don't don't. Don't shove your stuff down my throat. Because I had that, I had that for my first eight years of my life.

High school was excuse me, high school was completely different. It was not like that's when the hooks, that's when they start losing the grip on the hooks. Because high school kids, it's like good luck. I don't even understand how there's I don't understand how there are high schools that are religious given and it's like those kids. It should be like those It should be impossible to get those kids to do anything involving abstaining from sex and drugs and having a good time.

Theoretic, they still exists. I know. North Texas is full of them. North Texas is full of giant churches, giant religious high schools. I mean they have them here in Nebraska too.

We have a massive Catholic high school here. And you see their license plates and then you see them down out out in front of the planned parenthood assling women who are going to get condoms and lesbians were going to get dental dams, and gay guys were going to get condoms because oh, by the way, planned parenthood isn't just for fucking abortions, you psychos like, it's just like it calls in my mind, religiou causes people to lose sense and sight of common sense, and sometimes permanent it's like you're lost to it completely because there are plenty of people that are part of organized religion that are perfectly normal, that are able to interact with you on a daily basis, that aren't prostalytizing constantly.

But we all know plenty of people that are that other way. But I think that's far and few in between. What you're either all in this is me now anymore? Well people, well people your age for sure, for me, anyway, you're either all in or you're all out. People they have an identity tied to things that here's the thing, like and again like this has nothing to do with you personally, But people your age have a hard time doing what they want because they have put themselves in a position where who they are is very much tied to the expectations of people before them, what their parents wanted for them, what their parents parents wanted for them, what they thought they want their parents wanted for them.

And these people, now, a lot of them are going to die, never getting to live the life that they wanted, while people like yourself are coming to realize that the shit that I was sold, the bill of goods that I was sold up a bunch of bigs, bull shit of the highest order, and that's not an easy thing to accept, an easy thing to stomach, and it's not something that's really easy to have a conversation with with people your own age because most people your age aren't even willing to fucking go there. And then you feel weird trying to talk to people my age about it, because how do you meet people my age? Which you guys have you have you guys have friends that are my age? Yes, But I mean that's the other thing, is you have to expose yourself to people that are going to be like I don't It's not that I don't want to constantly hear about it, but it's like there are things that we are not going to get along about, and if you're cool with that, we can be friends.

And like they're like people a lot of people in your generation. It's like I couldn't have a conversation with someone who's like that, right, and that's fun, that's fun up. That is fucked up, like if you think about it. But again, it's like it's coming from this place of like religion and cultural background and it all feeds into this like sense of like feeling angry at your loss of identity that you never got to have. So instead of embracing what you wanted, you've just turned it into like anger towards the people that are people that are conservative, that are angry at the gay people.

You're angry at the gay people because they're actually enjoying themselves, because they're actually being themselves, because they're and out and being who they want to be. And you know what that bothers people who have been told they can't do that since the day they were born, because religion is all about control. Organized religion is about controlling. Yeah, yeah, and do whatever you want. Just don't hurt anybody.

Yeah, don't mess with me. That's yeah, exactly, don't mess But that should be But in my mind, that should be the way we as Western American society should be. It's like we are the culture of people who want to be left alone. Isn't that why we went to war with the British is so that they would leave us alone? But then we took it upon ourselves to police ourselves just as hard or worse than they would.

Now. I mean again, the erosion of our rights has been damn near constant throughout the last one hundred two hundred years, and it goes back to the thing with the aliens. People can't be honest with us about But they don't because I don't know, you know why, Because what happens if tomorrow we find that the aliens exist? What happens to all the Christian nationalists, the crazy, crazy Christian people, and the crazy religious people. What happens they all go kill themselves because aliens exist, which probably is not remotely in line with their beliefs.

What do they all go do? Go nuts, remove themselves from society, kill themselves, walk out into the woods strand and you know what I mean, disappears Well, you know what I mean. I mean there's a vested interest in not having society break down, which again I think is the perception of what would happen if things like that were to get out, Because I think aliens I think I agree with your sentiment on why you don't believe in Bigfoot. I believe it, but I get it. But like the belief in Bigfoot and big Foot was found out to be real tomorrow, how does that affect our daily lives?

Don't if you're scared of that, don't go into the woods. Like the likelihood you would interact with one is very low anyway, right right, it would be like well, okay, yeah, Like it'd be like them saying like, well, there's a giant shark in the ocean, Like what if there was an if there was a giant if there was a giant shark in the ocean that could eat cruise ships in one bite, would you ever go on a cruising it? Would you personally ever go on a cruising it? Oh? That's hard.

I mean, that's the Bigfoot question. Would you go into the woods knowing that there's a giant ape that could kill you in the woods that people don't even know if it is. I don't like going in the woods anyta. But yeah, yeah, well maybe maybe a moot point on the question, but you know what I mean, yeah, would you would you would you ever step foot on an airplane knowing that there's a giant terradactyl like dinosaur that patrols the air There's only one of them, but would you ever step up that? That would be very scary?

Right yeah? Yeah, yeah. I don't know what my answer would be though, because if I want to go somewhere, I have to get on a dang plane for God's sake. Well, then in my mind, that's you have to take your chance. It's a level of acceptable risk.

Yeah, you have to take your chances. I don't I don't know if I would get on an airplane knowing that there's a giant bird flying around that could destroy the airplane in one foul swoop. But at the same time, we're talking about essentially this maybe the same odds of airplane breaking in right, right anyways the way it is now. Yes, so, but that's the question I always think about when it's like stuff like this with like Bigfoot and stuff, is like, is it scary enough for you to have your daily life interrupted? No?

Okay, then the government would never care if we found out that Bigfoot exists, because I don't think the government has any sort of like cover up about Bigfoot unless Bigfoot has something to do with aliens, like it's celestial Bigfoot. Yeah, well that's I mean, that's a theory. It's like Bigfoot's like interdimensional being. It's everything from bigfoots and interdimensional being to Bigfoot is an interdimensional pet for aliens, that he's like a scout that he scouts the I mean, there's all kinds of stuff. God, oh boy, has taken a Bigfoot has gone from just being a myth passed around by indigenous people too.

Now he is a possible interdimensional being that can walk between dimensions and maybe like is a sentient alien. He's like a traveler. I need to read up on things. I'm way out there, kids, But I well, I think your again, your beliefs come from a very just from the shows I watch on Davy. But I mean, I think that's how a lot of this gets formed.

I mean there's I mean, there's there's always been this theory that the descriptions of how aliens look in people being abducted are close to the way aliens are being portrayed in film, to the point where they evolve with how aliens continue to be portrayed, and cinema affects the way people are remembering through regression hypnosis, the aliens that abducted, which I mean again, I don't believe that. I don't believe that aliens could look like us, but the movies have made us think that they have, you know, big fans again, I mean, if you want to make something scary and they're green and they're or gray and they're pink, what color is et brown. He's brown. Yeah, the grossest, He's so gross looking.

It's funny the whole yess a weird movie. I never I never thought of it the way you described it. I just Steven Spielberg loves telling stories about his broken family, to the point where he made a movie about his own family being the broken family. With that Meet the Fableman's Movie, which is just about his life. It just came out he mythologized his own childhood.

Do you believe that? No? I mean again, like it's the ultimate like family STI because that's Steven Spielberg's thing. Every movie that he tells is a story about family. Jaws, Minority Report, Wore, The World's Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones, The Last Crusade, Yeah, in Indiana Jones, and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Indiana Jones.

Well, Indiana Jones, and Raiders The Lost Arc. Kind of the last, I mean, it's more like that's more of like a sibling rivalry between him and Belloc. And then in the second one, I mean, India is kind of like a surrogate father for short round. Yeah, I can see it. In the last group saying well, that's all about family and like reconnecting with your long lost father.

Yeah when he comes in. Spielberg is not even subtle about it, when he comes in with the cross and he's yeah, dad, dad, count to ten. Yeah, it's all about like the relationships with your father they in video have in Greek. Yeah, that's all those. That's Steven Spielberg's obsessed with the with the family that he didn't have in mythologizing the perfect family every time every one of his movies.

I'm saving Private Ryan three brothers who all died, and the fourth brother is the one that they have to go and save, so the whole family's not gone. Yea. The subtlety of Steven Spielberg is astounding, and by that I mean lack of subtlety, because he's not subtle at all. But that's the appeal of stevens to do. I didn't know that, so I learned something today.

But that's why I don't like ET, because ET isn't do with Alien, has to do with fucking Nold. This kid's family is falling apart. No, he doesn't have a dad. Yeah, an alien is dad. The alien is his dad.

Wow. He helps him learn to grow and be emotionally mature and then he leaves again. Yeah, I'll be right right here. Yeah, by fuck you fucking just sell bullshit. It's such a bush close account is a third kind, much more entertaining.

Steven Spielberg Alien Movie. Still, I mean, I guess not as bullshit better still a little bit romantic. Well, I'm gonna go off with the aliens willing. I no, no, on that one, I didn't understand. He goes off with aliens willingly.

At the end, he's someone who's empty looking for something to fulfill him because he is in a dead end life with the marriage that he doesn't like in his family, and him and that woman connect and then he goes and he goes away looking for whatever. Again, absent father. He becomes an absent father. Okay, interest things. Even Spielberg's movies are unsubtle.

Jaws is literally about the well, I mean, it's about protecting what are the links you go to protect your fam And also I mean kind of like that familial bond that the three of them have Quinn, Hooper and Brody on the boat. Yeah, yeah, because it's kind of like the older it's kind of like a pseudo father and brother relationship between the three of them that I can say, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not Steven Spielberg's not subtle. I think there's any other question go on to add. So let's let's end to this episode with you telling me because art when my dad was on, he talked a little bit about it. Your personal experiences.

Have you had any personal experiences with what any of the unexplained Oh, those goods, whatever, anything unexplained that's happened to you. I wasn't going to say it was even ghost. It's whatever your perception of it. I don't know if you're perceiving it is, go then yes, But I'm asking you have you ever had anything unexplained? How?

Yeah, A couple of things. One that I remember very well. I think you were I believe you were in college and we had come to visit you, probably at yeah, probably at Miszoo. We came to visit you William Zoo grads out there and I didn't graduate from his zoo. Sorry Truman the Tiger m I z Yeah.

Anyway, we had come to visit you, and we had an I know we had we had a rental car. Okay, so we come home and unpacking and whatever, and for some reason, can't find our camera. That was back in the day when you carried one camera, you didn't use your phone. So that wasn't probably well it wasn't years ago, fourteen years ago. But at the same time, I don't know where we were going.

We were actually going someplace else, kind of close to come. Oh. So the first thing was, well, you know, maybe we left, maybe we left the camera in the rent a car. Didn't even think about it to call the rent a car company. No, nothing was turned in.

Okay, okay, So Tata just went and bought a new camera. Because he went and bought a new camera, right, well, I mean because if you can't find it, well, assumption is it's gone. Yeah, assumption is it's gone. I we don't know where in the hell it went anyhow. So I was packing or something to go somewhere else, and he bought the same exact camera, same exact camera back.

So the suitcase was on the bed, his camera was on the right side of the suitcase. I swear to God, this is the absolute truth. And I wish I had taken a picture of it, but I can still see it in my head. I was gone back and forth from one room to another, gathering things to put in the suitcase. And at one point when I came back, the other camera was on the other side of the suitcase lane, just like the new one, same camera, same camera bag, just staying there.

You've told that, You've told me this story before. Yeah, it was. It was just so what was me? It was? It fucking weird?

Excuse you for what? No, it was very interesting. Yeah, you can. It was as though somebody and if it was Yeah eight passed away. We we just think that my father in law, who had passed away in No.

Seven knew were was and put it there. H I mean, I mean we've had stuff like that happened here. So I can kind of see the Senate and yeah, there was. Yeah, it's weird. Now when I mean this, probably this probably is not anything like because when my mom passed away, she passed away in oh three, and she passed away in April, and anybody, I won't go in, I won't say anything else.

In May, when the kids were out of school, I went for a week by myself to get her house cleaned out, and I stayed all day. Let's describe what this house is. This was an apartment, a three story apartment that was shared in San Francisco and San Francisco in North Shore now in the Marina Marina. In the Marina, so there was a flat upstairs, my mom's flat, a bunch of Italians living together, and the basement pardon me, and anyway, beside the point why it had to be cleaned out. Anyway, So I was there for a week, and I was there every day cleaning out.

I never stayed at night again because of haunting and things. I didn't want to be there alone. Yeah, so I I'm with you on that. I wouldn't want to be there either. I went to friends houses and stuff in the evening.

But every once in a while I would be there doing something and i'd see my mom go by. And I don't think that's unusual, because I don't know what I mean if that's it sounds fucking unusual to me. You're talking about the sentiment of being in a place where someone was after they had just passed away and seeing their energy. I mean, I would, I mean that's common, But again, like I don't when you were with my dad, when you were with Todd doing the clean out of his parents' place, did you see them? No, well there so it is.

It is weird. Yeah, I never did. It is weird. Did he would have said something? Is that?

I mean we that's been since he was on he would have said something. Then he's never said anything to me about it, and I would see her kind of weird. Yeah, she had a grace. My mom had this gray sweater she wore all the time. And there she'd go by whether grace sweater or on what and one other thing?

And then well, do you let me ask you something? I think it's an interesting question. I hear. Maybe she was there to make sure I was doing things right. Well, we won't get too far into it, but relationship, your relationship with your mom was strained, was not good, It was not necessarily positive.

No, do you think that has something to do with it? Again, to speak intentions to something that we don't know intentions, Yeah, I don't know. I just think you the only one. I'm You're the only one who can make a statement. I don't know.

I think maybe she was just coming around, like you know, they always coming around to make sure I was doing it. But again, they always talk about how spirits maybe stick around because they have unfinished business like I never I mean, I never felt right, you know, anything any intent behind that? No, just shuffling around. Yeah, just shut and one other one other thing. This was when Dieto passed away, Mark Tanta's dad, and that was in April of oh seven, and that a few months later his wife, your grandma Baba.

She came and stayed with us quite a while. In the month of June. We had a plumb tree, two plumb trees that just had so many plumbs on them that summer. Congratulations. Her and I decided we were gonna make jam.

We made jam for four days straight, and finally she said, put all that shit away, I'm done. May can jam anyway. And we were sitting in the kitchen when doing this stuff, and I swear to God, we're talking talking about we probably were talking about Dieto, and I felt, I swear to god, I felt somebody petting my head and I thought, oh my good God. I just assumed that that probably was Dito just walking by, going yeah, it's all good. I'm just keep talking about me.

Let's see and so and see. You see now why I ask you about the perception of the other thing, because that's your perception of your perception. Your perception of it is tied completely to the feeling, because all you felt was just that about it. If it was negative, think about how you would feel if that was if that was a negative feeling and I didn't feel scared or anything. It just was like, Oh, did you feel scared when you saw your mom?

No? Freaked out? It was kind It was yeah, I was kind of You think if you had had a positive relationship, it would it have been maybe reaffirming probably, you know, just like little little stuff like that that you know, you think and I don't know. The thing with the camera could have been my imagination, but that camera was not there when I walked away and I came back and there it was, right, I believe, Like what in the world? So sometimes half I can't find something, I just kind of, you know, go hey, and somebody find it for me, And somebody find that for me because I can't find it for I don't I what's weird is I never saw my I never saw my dad, Right, Well, that's what I'm getting it.

You never saw anybody else, That's my point. Get a rather positive relationship with everybody else. Would you say, oh, yeah right, Yeah with Todd's parents. Yeah, with your own father, but I with your mom, right, So I didn't that. I think that does say maybe a little bit more than nothing, which is you know, well that they that they went, they had nothing to stick around.

It was nothing to stick around for. Yeah, because when we were we spend a lot of time. Of course she was there at her house making sure that her physical belongings were being taken care of, because that's all she cared about. That's was that was a concern, was how were my things gonna be? I I only I only care about my my effects after I'm dead, And as much as I want them to go to the right people, I don't care how they get them, you know what I mean, That's what I care about is, Oh, I want my posters to go to somebody or whatever the fuck, like my money to go to whoever.

Like I don't want I'm not sticking around like the fucking nothing keeping me here because like when I'm done, I'm done. Like think about that, like that was sticking around to make sure her stuff got handled correctly. Wow, Well it says a lot. I mean, we always taught always says that Baba the minute, the minute bye bye, the minute she ceased breathing, she was gone because yeah, dude, well no, she wanted to go back and be with Dido and smoke and have her jack and coke and be cool. She did.

There was nothing for there was. She didn't worry about us taking care of her stuff. No, we she knew we were gonna do whatever. Was it right exactly? And that's my point.

I think there is part of that because it's like, yeah, I'm when I'm gone, like I'm gone. I'm not sticking around here like yeah, I'm there is nothing here that would keep me, like unless it was like I was murdered and I want my family to find my killer, like bye, yeah, nothing would keep me here. Probably my dad the same he you know, he yeah, I would. One minute he was there, the next minute he was. Last I would want is for people to see a vision of me after I'm gone, because like then they have to live with that forever.

Yeah, like thing I mean think, I mean that's in my mind. It's also like that's the one last gasp of someone who's who's like getting you know what I mean, Like one last gasp like oh I'm gone, but still here like I'm gone and I'm just good good riddence, your stuff is gone and goodbye, you know. But it's like again, like you just subscribing intent to what we don't know. I'm gonna I'm gone, but I'm still gonna be course of course, of course. It's it's that you know, you you're miserable in life, miserable in death, and hope to God like whatever you come back as will allow you to go on a journey that will help ease the pain that your soul is feeling.

Because like that's the thing, like if you fuck up bad in this like human body, you're gonna get sent back to something else. You gonna get sent back. It's like a cockroach or something. We'll try again, well, you know what I mean. Like that's that's what I believe.

I believe that it's like you, your spirit and your soul is building through every iteration and if you do well enough in this one, you get to go on to whatever the next thing is. But if you don't do well here, like why you come back as like a titsy fly and you have like three weeks to do good as a titsy fly. Because that's how long they live and good luck, Like you get real resurrected as a titsy flight eight million times before you get one opportunity to be anything else. That's what I believe because like interesting, because like fuck it, because like because at the end of the day, people don't always stand accountable for the shit that they do because there's some ways too. There are lots of things you can't be able accountable for, but something will hold you accountable.

Something will something will hold you accountable, and that is that's a solace. That is what finding peace feels like, is knowing that ultimately something there will be some semblance of. And that's why I don't believe in organized religion because organized religion doesn't profit that shit, at least notizer. Well, I go to heaven, Okay, Okay, well I mean again, if you if you believe heaven is like you don't need to do any better than you did before, then yeah, that's heaven. Okay, That's what I'm talking about.

But it's like that's not guaranteed. I don't know where i'd want to go when I will end it this way, Okay, I think if I think, if I had choices of where I wanted to go. When I pass away, I think I'd probably like to go to Disneyland for a little while, because I've always loved Disneyland. I probably would like to go to Vegas every once in a while. Yeah, just hang out, play slot machines and win all the time.

But in heaven, well, I don't know. I mean, when you pass away, it's things that you want to do. I mean, I'd probably go and hang around in Disneyland and go on brides, okay, go to Vegas once in a while, go to a show, or walk up and down the strip and like grab people's slaves. I don't scare them. Oh if you were a ghost, yeah yeah, go on cruises, you know, just throw people over the world.

No, just go on a cruise, throw somebody over. Yeah, just going some bye. I mean, those are those are things that I like to do. Those are things you would just do anyways. Yeah.

So, I mean, because I don't look ghosts waiting in line at the cruise to get on the boat because they can't get on any other place. They're all waiting there for all the people to get on. I don't I don't really know if there's heaven. I mean, what doesn't matter, right, I mean, I'm you know, so it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

I mean I'm gonna, well, it's the thing like that somewhere. Well, I don't even understand why anybody cares, Like we were not going to get to enjoy it in this form anyway? Is it nest be flying around? Well? What does it matter?

Like it's so weird. I mean, like I get why we care, but I don't get why we put so much, like an immense amount of like stock into it, Like why cared that much? Oh? Not? I know.

One other thing that I would probably like to do is maybe I'll find a group somewhere that likes to play dominoes and majong bunco, you know, things that I like to do. And then after that, well then then we'll catch up with our friends and stuff and go to dinner and hang out. Hey, you have to, as Pata will always say, you always have to have something to look forward to. So when you pass away, you have to think, oh, there's gonna be something even more fun on the other side. And it's not necessarily sitting at the right hand of God doing I don't know what polishing his shoes.

I don't know, so I don't know that. There's my take. And I've enjoyed being on the podcast. Good. Yes, I've made my debut.

I'm sure all your listeners are out there going dang. Now I see where he gets it from. Now I know why that prestachous the way he is because his mom is kind of off the book. But it's been I've I've enjoyed it. O good.

Well. On that note, you can find everything that I work on, along with this show and so many other shows over where do we meedia dot com? Yeah, where you can find this show and Mike White's the Projection Booth, Susan Lambert, Adam's av eighties TV Ladies, and Father Malone. Yeah, Father Malone shares a birthday with me. You've heard him on here before.

Man, there would be a trip to get the three of us to do a podcast together. That would be funny. He's a funny guy. He likes to make jokes. I like Father Malone.

It's a cool kid. Yeah. His blue hairnets, his blue Hairnet's blue hair, my green hair anymore him, he's a blue hair man. And well, you know what I'm gonna say, Thank you to Dustin Ruttledgend Maggie Dion for the album artwork for the show. Though you can hear Dustin over on the Bolly would send him a club pretty regularly, and Maggie is well one of the hosts of this show, so you can hear Maggie all over the place on this show.

And big thanks to our good friend Alex Malnac of Blondo or Blondo as the whole band, because those dudes are kicking it around the Midwest touring and now they're headlining with people opening for them, So damn, what the fuck? What am I doing? I need to do here? Fuck, I gotta I gotta get something. You can't find me anywhere, you can't fuck you all.

You can't find me anywhere, Stepp Tier, So I'll let you say the last line. And normally I let Tim White say it, but since my mom is here, I'm gonna let my mom say it. So, Mom, you do the thing that Tim White, our friend from Sightings does. No mystery is closed to an open mind. Two