194. Julie & Julia & Julia Ducournau's Titane

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Girls say? Cos he love girls. Sen calls girls saying calls, always catching FID and welcome one and all to a new episode of the Feminine Critique. I'm Emily and I'm Christine, and we are back to doing two movies. We've had a theme this year, right, our theme of like really obvious pairings.

Would you say that was our theme? Yeah, well this is obvious in a different way. Okay, So I mean people who are obviously looking at like their you know, phone, heading know what we're covering. But I want to talk about the journey we took to get there, right, right, because like we both were like, oh, let's do an episode, alright, want to do I don't know, Let's do some movies which we do I don't know, I don't know. And you had something you were leaning towards or like, like so a type of movie you wanted to see, right, Yes.

Yes, so I've mentioned I think already I'm trying to do one hundred female directed movies in twenty twenty six, and I'm trying to direct myself there, and I thought like, hey, it's a decent jumping off point. It's some kind of parameter. Correct, we had nothing, and I was like, well, I have something. Kind of you gave us everything. Everything being me quickly googling, like I like, let me just get a list, let me pick one, and then we'll go from there and then you'll find something.

So I quickly type in like women directed movies, and I think like the Wikipedia page came up first. I'm like, all right, fine, this is good, and I'm skimming through and one thing jumps out to me, not because like oh, best movie, but like, oh, I read the book recently. I was curious to watch the movie because I hadn't yet. Why not do Julie and Julia? And you know what, As I skimmed through the list, I notice I'm like, hey, there are a lot of female directors whose names are Julie or Julia.

Seems like the most common name of a director of a woman. So I threw to Christine and said, kick something from this list directed by a Julie or Julia. So I think what adds to the silliness of this story is that when you texted me that I was watching Bewitched, which is Anora Efron movie. So I was like, what are the odds? It's just it felt like it was faded, Like wait, So I just.

Searched through the Wikipedia because this is a fun game, right, like why not? And there's some decent movies that came up, but I think the one that that I found most exciting. And I'm gonna say the title of this movie and if it's wrong, so sorry, but to tan the French movie from like what was it like twenty twenty three? Twenty twenty three? Why do I keep sinking I'm in the wrong decade eternally?

I remember when it came out, It's the lady Fucking a Car movie. That's how I knew it. I literally knew nothing else about it. I had not seen it yet. People said it was a little disturbing, so that's why I didn't watch it.

So I thought this was a good opportunity because nothing's gonna be ugly, stepsister, everyone, nothing's ever gonna be that bad again, So I can I can do anything now, So I figured I could watch this movie. Have you seen it before? So no? So a few things just correction I was wroung twenty twenty twenty one. Oh, but it's that could have been a festival year and because I was covid R anyway, so it was probably closer to yours.

I had not seen this. It had been on my list forever. It keeps moving its streaming sites. Yeah, it was on Canopy for a while. It was on HBO for a while.

I ended up watching both of these movies on two B I don't know about you. No, I own one of. Them, okay, and I can't remember is to Stand on Canopy anymore. I thought that's where I watched. You know, it might have been on Canopy, but I am having an issue, and you tell me if you're having this issue.

On Canopy. We keep running out of credits after watching like one thing. No, that's weird. I know they think they recently changed their credit thing. Yeah, so like the credit distribution system, but I hadn't really noticed.

Did affect me that we. Have been trying to watch The Apartment for two months because it's on Canopy, and we even like made a point of like, oh it's early May, we can finally watch it. They should have reset and we'd go to watch it and we didn't have enough credits. And then I tried on Hoopla. I was like, oh, it's on Hoopla, I'll watch it, and Hoopla just told me I didn't have credits either.

So maybe my library kicked me out and I don't know it yet. Oh maybe so I did have that. That happened because I was still on the Seattle Yeah system and I did lose access finally to my Seattle stuff. I have a sort I think I've told you a couple of years ago when I moved from Manhattan to Yonkers and this was like heavy COVID times and it was time to renew my New York Public Library card, and I have been I remember this, yeah, yeah, because my card I have, which I got in like two thousand, probably two thousand and two thousand and one, it has the lions on it. It's this great, like very classic burgundy color and just with the lion and I love this card so much.

And I had seen what happens when people were new they get a new card and it was tacky and I didn't like it at all, And but then I moved. I was like, crap, I don't even know if I can still get New York Public Library outside of living in New York City, I believe you still cans. I don't think it matters now, But at the time, I was worried, and I was trying to figure out how I could coln the system into maintaining my membership. And I was able to because it was COVID, so it was like you were supposed to be able to go. You had to go in there and bring evidence of your residency.

And I was able to take a picture of an old piece of mail and it all worked out. But now I'm wondering if when I moved, if my library has left. But it hasn't because I just took a book out from the Yonkers e Library, So it couldn't. Christine, it couldn't. Kind of be and Hoopla have teamed up against us.

Look, I have heard people say that this that that doesn't it doesn't work great for them, or they've never gotten it to work. And I know that other people have problems with it. Thankfully I have not in a while. So Okay, yeah, I don't know. Ask your local library.

Perhaps I shall, Perhaps I shall. I will ask them, why couldn't I watch to ten on your system. Slam your fist down, and then. Uh so, yes, I had not seen to ten. I had seen Raw.

Have you seen Raw? I have? Okay, let's just start with that before we jump into anything, because I'm very curious. What were your thoughts on Rive. I don't remember talking to you about it, so my thoughts.

On Raw are kind of similar to my thoughts on to ten okay, which are overall lovely. I get it, thank you, not really for me. Yeah, it's just not like not like in a like I don't know, just didn't it does. Raw didn't resonate with me, and as like somebody who doesn't eat meat like you would. I was maybe thinking there would be a little bit more.

Yeah, that's why I was curious, because I feel like there is a a different kind of natural association you would have to it that I might not somebody loves eating animals. Yeah, my cat just gave me the mean it's to me out how cute you? I think I. Remember in Raw and correct me if I'm wrong, because it's been a minute. But there's like a kind of goofy hand eating scene.

Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of that in that movie, where there's moments that are tonally and I think It's to Tan certainly has that too with Raw, where it's you're not really understanding if it is like it's one of those movies that I almost feel like it's probably a really like and same with the Towan. These are probably fun theater experiences because you would get a gamut of reactions and you would have people laughing. And I always think, and this is how I felt about the Substance because I think Corleiefer Jew who's also French, although I think Julie de Courneau might be Belgium, but they're I mean, they're very similar. There is something about like that kind of fresh show extreme film.

Yeah, I think they are funny, and I think the movies do you want you to get, like to understand that you can laugh at this, like this is absurd and ridiculous and we're going really far and showing you everything because we know it's kind of crazy. And when you give yourself permission to accept that it's funny and not serious, I think that helps the movies quite a bit. But I found T Tan very funny at times, No, and it is, and. I think maybe that sensibility worked better for me with Titan than it did for Yah, and I get and it's I think it does come from the fact that, like I do sometimes have a very American sensibility sure about stuff, and like sometimes these things literally get lost in translation.

And I can absolutely acknowledge that Raw it was like a well constructed movie, a well acted movie, a movie with a lot of emotion and depth, like a great movie that I didn't necessarily like vibe with that church, but it made me even more excited for this because I'd rather watch something interesting that like went for it like I thought Raw did. Like it. I had a whether or not the point of me and the point of view, like jibed, it had a point of view, and I appreciated it. And good performances, right, And I think that, yeah, that that is something that is true of both of the films as well. Yeah, I would agree, Yeah, she gets very good performances from actors.

Like really visceral, like uncomfortable, but like real performances. That very like I hate the term on people like brave performances. It's not that it's not that there is something about I think in both both the leads of Raw and in Tatan it is this like very free performance. Oh I was thinking un self conscious. Completely right, Like, yeah, they they are at times they were naked, at times they're not like they're they're doing things that you would not want to see somebody do, like, and I think there's also clearly like they're doing things that you don't normally say women do, especially, and they do it in such a way that you you are not worried about these actors in this director's hands, oh for sure.

And nothing ever then that's that's a super good point because there are a lot of like uncomfortable positions, especially into Tan, but I never felt like like uneasy or unsafe. Yeah, and that can make it can take you out. It can be uncomfortable when you're dealing with women's bodies and women's safety. And like I look, I don't need every woman to live and be great, but sometimes certain directors and situations will be treated very callously. And I don't feel like that's the case here at all.

Like Tatan is this woman goes through it, but like I never felt like she was being punished, if that makes sense, mm hmm, yeah, no. So why don't we I guess we're diving into tan first makes makes perfect sense. It would always would definitely be the first film you'd watch in a double billing. I think of Julia. On no Way lead in with.

You gotta get the people hungry, yeah, real whiplash, or maybe you make them not hungry by starting with champ All right, so quickly, why don't you run down the plot of the movie? Obviously, and again we're gonna spoil both of these, but please give us a rough overview of this movie. Hey, I don't know if I can, because I don't know if I'm one hundred percent clear on what happens. That's where I'm making it. But so I'm pretty sure that a young girl has a traumatic brain injury and then gets like like this weird connection to like cars or something, which leads to her doing sexy dances on top of cars, which honestly, I will say was one of the most beautifully shot things I've seen in a really.

Yeah, that's a gorgeous scene. And then she has sex with a car. Look it happened in the movie. You can watch it if you are what happened. And then she gets pregnant real fast, and then she pretends to be a missing child that has grown up, which I didn't see coming.

And then her the missing child's dad, is really weird and they get into a really weird, co dependent, strange relationship, and then the car baby gets born. Yeah, and then that's the end of the movie. I'm so sorry if I spoiled it for you, but I really didn't. You see it's true anything. Well, and you missed one key element I think in the character, which is I mean, why does the character decide to abandon her identity and take on the identity of this missing boy.

Oh, she starts killing people. I fucking forgot about. That, which is wild. But it makes sense for something to be forgotten because. It well I didn't honestly, it didn't really play into the character after a certain point.

Weirdly it didn't. We don't know why. We learn about it in such an odd way where we see her kind of you know, put in danger where there's a guy that you know comes like a number one. I also really like this world. I when a movie just does like this one odd thing where like in our world, everything works exactly the way it does.

You know, you you go to job, You go to work, and you have insurance and you eat food and this and that, except in this particular movies world, there is a whole industry of sexy girl car dancers. You have these like gigantic fan basis. Zach was like, so is this is this taking place in real I don't know right? Oh wait, this doesn't thing. Oh just stop it.

It's the reality of the movie. Wait, this isn't what am I supposed to believe here? And I was like, let's see. And that's the only thing aside from like again like yes, car Baby, but there's something about Carbie that feels like no car Baby is unusual in this world, whereas sexy dance car girls being this industry the same way like a webcam girl I guess would be like that just makes perfect sense here. But and then like people were.

Getting autographs and stuff, and I was like this is and then everybody showered together. I really was not yes clear on the job, but I liked it. It felt cool, everybody seemed to be into it. It felt specific. It felt like it was man tried to attack her, well yeah yeah, and so she you know, she's she does good by stabbing this guy who obviously was going to be back to her.

But then we also learned that like, oh no, she stabs anybody that she wants to with her hairpin, including like, so she meets this girl, a fellow sexy girl car dancer, same way we met right by her hair gets stuck on the other girl's nipple ring ye shower. I'm pretty sure that is. We were just walking down the street in New York. Yeah. Yeah, it's you know, responsible for a lot of friendships.

Yeah. Uh. And they're kind of getting sexy time at like a house party, I guess, and out of nowhere, just Alex decides, I'm just not feeling I'm gonna kill you. So she does, and then realizes there's like ten other people in the house. That scene is hilarious.

I loved that. Yeah that if the movie, so this movie hivots just immediately we're somewhere else doing something else, yep. And that's cool. But if it had literally just been that, I would have been fine. Yeah, just her trying to continue to kill people for no reason and getting away I.

And so then I guess she kinda she also after that's done, she goes and kills presumably kills her parents. We don't know for sure that they die, but we assume they do. Oh yeah, I feel like it was like, okay, well that makes sense because that's how they know probably who she is and everything at that point. And so then she transforms into this boy because I guess she realizes, like, I need somebody to take care of me. I'm pregnant, I got I need some help, and I kind of look like this kid grown up and that relates.

So then she, you know, as would happen in this kind of scenario, She's with the dad of this kid who is not well, who has spent the last ten years missing his child. This man is a like chief firefighter. Physically he is declining, but he is taking steroids to help himself. And this relationship. What's going on here, Christine?

I mean I think I said it was codependent. I think it's I think it's very codependent and very strange. Yeah, but also like I think the maybe I'm wrong, Who am I to say? But I think the point was to highlight how sometimes strange relationships can be beautiful. Yeah, because like it was like a gross ugly relationship like like, but also they did need somebody else.

Who are we to decide who's worthy of like love and care, I guess really felt like it was saying to me and that other than her murdering people, which you know, afloss was like my favorite parts was with them anytime they were on screen together. I thought, this thing really fucking that is like like uneasiness, discomfort like, but also was always so beautifully filmed. And then that's when the soundtrack stuff really started to get laid in heavy like like them like dancing sequences and stuff with like really good solid music choices, very fun stuff. Really yeah, and it plays a lot with your expectations, I think, in every which way because it first, I mean I initially, you know, because I watch a lot of Loner to restvue, so obviously my brain is going every direction of oh he's you know, his son was abducted or did his son run away?

Because was he abusing his son? Oh the when the wife shows up, when the mother shows up, I'm going into orphan mode of like oh right, right, right, right, yeah, And you are like thinking kind of the worst of this relationship for a while, just because this guy does not seem well, we know he's he's a fire em and he's in position of power over a lot of young men. Like just you're you're like you know, you're kind of antenna goes up and you don't really trust him, and then you also realize like, no, he's just a broken man and he really has nothing. And when this person comes into his life, you know the fact that his ex wife says, I don't care who you are. You take care of him, Like I know you're not my child.

I don't believe you at all, but he obviously does, and you seem to be good for him, so take care of him. Like it's it's sweet, No, it is it. You know, it's. Nice, I guess to see imperfect people being handled with like empathy, you know, cause like to Tan there, she'd be killing people out there in these streets, like she's killing people, and I felt bad for her the whole time. Yeah, like I empathy, not bad for her, like she was pathetic, but I had a lot of empathy for her situations because like there was this like cornered rat kind of feeling to her at every turn where it is like, well, not what bad things to happen to them?

Even like it's hard to do that, and I think people that's why sometimes people will say they have trouble with dislikable protagonists, because sometimes I feel like a lot of dislikeable protagonists that's their shtick. They're just dislikable. They're not like like a rounded character. And I felt like everybody in this had like whole personalities. And that's what you do.

If you want to do a successful character study, you have to put it in your car fucking movie. Yeah, I mean you have to give them those specifics. I think because on paper, if you just describe this character as this character seems to not have human connection, has connection with vehicles and then kills people and so on, it's yeah, there's not much. Why would I care? Yeah?

Yeah, And yet you watch this woman and this and the actress is great, and it's it's a hard role because you know, again like she's not giving you anything in a way. Agatha Roselle, I'm sure I'm saying her name wrong. And I think this was her first like film film. I think she had done short films, but she was this was her first like real movie role, and I mean she's fantastic, just plunfit in in it and distant like there is something And again, it's like a very American way of watching it, I guess, but like there's something about these like cool French girls that don't care that is just really fascinating because you you are watching them, and even though you see they're a bad person, you know that you like, if you were with them, you would want to impress them.

It's it's it's a really interesting line to walk. And I think Raw does it too, like very much, Yeah, which is cool, and I mean ugly Stepsister kind of did it too. Yeah, There's it's fun to see, Like I guess, I'm just saying it's fun to see complex women on screen. And that extends to like the the The Father Figure, where like you, I immediately was like, he's taken her in because he fucking knows that kid is dead because he killed that he killed a kid. And then and then when it's not that, I'm like, well, I am pleasantly surprised to see where this goes.

Yeah, let's see, let's. See Yeah, And it's it's just it doesn't go anywhere you really expect. Yeah, because you're kind of thinking like, oh, maybe it's gonna get romantic between them, maybe it's going to be this. So I was listening to an interview with Julia Decernall on mcgarris's old podcast interview was a couple of years old, and when they were talking about it, they were both describing this as a love story, and I thought that was a fascinating read. And then I was also trying to understand what in what way or between?

Who? If you will mm hmm and what would what would you think of that? If you would you describe this movie that way? And if so, like who is the love? Who is in love?

Who's the love story between? So I could see this describing it that way. I don't know if I have a classic answer for that. It's kind of like, well I did. I can't answer it without talking about the actual ending, which was really the only part that made me go, wait a second, what was I supposed to feel?

Because so at the end, she gives birth to the like a cyborg baby. Yeah, but it's more baby than car. Than car reminded me a little bit of what is that Julie Christie computer movie? The oh, you know the one? I mean where the computer her her child has died and the compete's a computer that seems to be in love with her maybe or not, And she's baby and baby that's baby that.

No, I don't know. I feel like I know, but I don't know. Robot baby movie. Oh Seed, Oh demon seed? Okay, yeah, so yes, it's a real demon seed.

But when so she dies giving birth to the baby, and it's I think the end heavily insinuates that the father is going to take care of the baby. So if it's a love story, then I think maybe it's a love story between the characters and the act of living, learning to love to life again. Like she dies when she's passed on life, and he has a reason to continue on because he has something to care for, thus fulfilling his role. I don't know, because I think they don't know each other long enough for them to be truly in love with each other. Maybe they're just be in love with the idea of trying again.

Yeah, I like that. I don't know. What do you think? I don't know either, And that's why I threw it to you because it was a really interesting statement to hear about a film that I would never describe that way. I think there is love in the film.

Yeah, you know, I think the is it Victor? Is that the guy's name that clearly, you know, he he just cares for this person, and he cared obviously loved his son and did not get his son back, but got something close to it and just decided, I'm going to give all of my love to this person. So it makes sense that then that's going to get transferred to the baby, because why would why would you not even if it's a little car baby. But I don't know. On Alex's side, I mean, Alex does seem to care for Victor that she she has a chance to kill him and she doesn't, and then she does seem to soften to him.

She does seem to like want to please him and want to like, you know, be a good companion to him, whatever that means. And then in the meantime it's still just like but you know, craving that, you know, mechanical sex of some form. So I don't know, It's it's definitely interesting, and I would I've actually never read anything about it because I didn't want to spoil like the movie for myself. Because Zach went into it, this is a tangential rant. He went into it with a lot of expectations and felt like he didn't know how to feel about it, and I went in with literally not a yeah, Lady Bucks, a car.

I don't know, but I don't know how serious that is, how literal it is, how like you know. I just I didn't know, and I feel like that really benefited me. But back to what I was saying, I think I really should seek out some like essays and critical analysis, especially by women, to see what other people are getting from it. Yeah, and that might help lock some stuff in for me. I I didn't get very far at all in researching either.

I remember when it came out because it was there was something very know. The main thing people probably know about the movie is that it won the Palm Door at can at can Nott Con, which is how we decided we pronounced it to ton to Tann, which is incredibly unusual because it is a genre film directed by it. I think it's the first film. It's not the first film directed by a woman to win, but it was the first time like that film won it solely. I think in the past it might have been a shared press, so that in itself was obviously like a big thing.

And I knew like later on because her last film came out a year or two ago. I think it was called Alpha, and people did not like it at all. I have not seen any It was very poorly received, and so I wondered going into this one, like how you know, like, oh, is this going to be one where people have like soured on it in hindsight? So I did. I just didn't get a chance to do anything.

The only thing I got to do was listen to that one interview. I did just very quickly start looking and I found one review slash kind of essay that is intriguing and I'm curious now if there's more discourse on it, which is somewhere's the quote because they're like, uh me one so good. Here this is from indie Wire by a writer named Jude Jude Dry I think, and here we go okay, and I quote. In her rush to subvert this traditionally masculine genre, de Corno has made a deeply misogynist movie with a healthy side of transphobia. Even the most generous read of the film as a violent refutation of the shackles of womanhood and a rally and cry for self determinism, relies on a psychopathic, mute, pregnant woman who ultimately becomes a literal vessel for the film's final crowing crowning, and this author goes on to kind of say, like, there's a lot of things about this movie that felt kind of transphobic, which I certainly wasn't thinking of watching this movie.

I don't see it, but I'd be very curious how other people felt about that, and if that came up at all. Did anything about that, like when you were watching make you think. I would? I would not. I'm not trying to be obtuse, I would really need to be if if a trans person said to on this transphobic and it made me upset, I would say, yes, absolutely, that's I feel you, and that's completely valid.

But like if if that person was willing to have a dialogue with me, like if that writer was willing, I would like to know maybe specifically what it was, especially maybe if that critique was coming from someone who wasn't trans. Not to say that people who aren't trans can't make critiques, but I just don't know that I necessarily understand it, unless it is because of the chest binding or because you could just you think you can just be boy presenting. I'm not quite sure if I get it. Yeah, maybe maybe I'm being rude, and if I am, I apologize, but like I guess I maybe I'm silly too and don't see it. No, no, I mean again, never would have crossed my mind.

Like this is a very specific article about it. I can send it to you. Yeah, they do point out, they say things like you specifically like using an a spandage, which is a very like a thing that isn't done anymore. You know. Again, this is a French movie.

I don't know, it might be different in France or Belgium, where we probably are. Uh. The other part being this this I mean again, the character themselves shifting gender, but it's it feels very plot driven to me and not. In any way that so I don't know. I just don't understand why presenting that is in and of itself transphobic though, because I'm not a trans man and I've bound my breasts sure, so like why now am I is just that imagery?

Because chest binding is triggering, like especially with an a spandage, which is not the thing you should use because look at her body, but it cuts her up so bad, my god, but that's got to be painful. So is it that it's triggering and that it's being presented in a way that's not sensitive because it's such a triggering thing to some people. Then that to me is a slightly yeah. Well, within that, there's also and again this I am not agreeing with this. I'm just kind of throwing it out there because it's interesting to think about.

Of we'll end it kind of coming down to this character being special because she's kind of a hybrid of different things of like mechanical and so on, but also she can make babies that you know, in the end she is able to reproduce. I cannot imagine Juliette de Kerneau thought any of that like that that was present in her making this movie. Yeah, but it is an like just the idea I think whenever I guess pregnancy is such a is presented in such a physical manner, and when there is death of the mother in a pregnancy story, it isn't one of those like, Okay, then I do have to think about what you were saying or exploring. But also she had a car baby. I feel like a car baby is not meant to come out safely out of a human uterus, nor her body.

Was destroyed like the that's the whole movie. We didn't even really talk about that, which is I guess I can I know why I didn't. But like, it's it's a it's a viscerally like a physically visceral movie. Like it's uncomfortable and upsetting her. She's lactating like oil.

Yet she's scratching herself, digging like oil out from her like motor oil, guys, like black oil. She's it's coming out of her her orifices. It ain't cute. It's very upsetting and like I feel like it was telling a story about the destructive transformation of motherhood, but like that to me felt like the obvious thing it was talking. So I don't understand.

I'm now really tied up and for what people think this movie is and what it might actually have been. Yeah, I need to look more and see more discourse out there, but wild, Yeah it's and it's one of those movies I think you to and I don't know, I could see like and I go back. I know, I keep comparing it to the Substance, which is an easy comparison because it's also a you know, French Belgian filmmaker, and it is a very a similar thing in it being a movie that is doing a lot of sort of twisting around the mail gaze, which I think this movie does to right. You have a lot of you know, sexually explicit women women's bodies, but it's and it isn't not played for tutilation at times, but it's also clearly doing something else.

And the substance I think also had a lot of that conversation around it of like, oh, you're trying to say something, but in saying it in the way you're saying it, are you also just reinforcing it? Right if you're saying talking about standards of beauty, but you're also zooming in on Margaret Quality's ass, Like what are you? Are you saying something or are you just like you know, reveling in what you think you're exploring? And I don't have an answer to it. I think sometimes you have to do that, you have to get into the muck in order to explore it and play around with it.

But also I can understand occasionally somebody watching it and just feeling like, oh, no, you didn't have to do it that way. But I mean, how do you not like this movie? And it's it's a writer director, right, this was a movie was always going to be her vision a matter of but it is one like when you start to wonder, You're like, what would happen if you took this script and gave it to and you just like list out a list of directors and imagine the movie they would make from it. I don't think you would get a more interesting one from any male director. I can think, No, definitely not.

And I think that that critiquing women for presenting sexualized women's bodies, we've we've pressed a bridge here. Yeah, women can't ever be sexual even if they want to, they don't really want to. That's like, that's what we're edging towards. Pardon the pun, that's what we're getting closer to. Every time I look at mainstream media is just hyper sanitized.

I could go I literally could go on for hours. But but what I think this movie does, and I think that this comes down to maybe sometimes people's uh, what's that thing when you know media comprehension there, it is there, and then their artistic comprehension truly is that scene at the beginning where all the very hot women are being hot on hot cars and it's shot very hot and very sexy, but he has agency and it's all very safe. Is shot completely different to that when that woman's body is being brutalized. Women are allowed to present with their own bodies in different states, yes, like and and it's not like she was being fetishized. She was being hurt, which mainstream movies in the cinema that nobody even talks about that happens in those movies.

So just because she's naked, and just because it's abroad, and just because blah blah blah blah blah, it's not sexually violent to show naked women the great it's just so boring. Yeah, I know. I And also people can opt out if they don't want that. If you don't want to see it, great, but stop trying to act like that's the morally superior position. Yeah.

I think that is a great statement for anyone for this entire like section of films that we've had in the last ten fifteen years of very genre heavy, explicit movies both sexually and in terms of violence, directed by women, especially European women, Because I think there is always going to be a lot of cultural differences, and I mean this was something that came out a lot during It was very frustrating as an American right when you would hear somebody like Isabelle who Payer or Catherine Denoue of talk about me too, because every French woman I have ever read discuss it as basically said, get over it, their men, your women, this is how it is, This is how it is. Yeah. Yeah, And of course we're all aghast at that and want to, you know, grab them and shake them and say no.

But it doesn't have to be, don't you understand. Also, I live, I am a different generation and a different continent and a different culture than you know, these women who have very different ideas and beliefs about this than I do. And I think that is something too that even is true today when people are Americans in particular are really get very very finger waggy to European female artists that there does feel like there's there's a line to be drawn up, like you know, I don't maybe this isn't your Maybe you're not the one to be criticizing it this way. M hm. Definitely.

I think for that reason alone, like that type of the fact that we can have a conversation about the sexuality presented in the movie and that like specifically is reason enough to watch it, Like, yes, it's really interesting and doing really interesting stuff. And I don't feel like you can have these conversations right now with mainstream American movies like very true, because it's just not we're not being presented with any of this imagery. Yeah, yeah, all right, So you do kind of recommend. I mean I kind of do too. I think you'll know very quickly of this movie is for.

You or not. I think so too. I really I liked it more than Raw and I and I, while I don't know if I'm going to be like revisiting it regularly, I don't. I didn't find it to be unpleasant, which is what I kind of expected. Again, I found it more watchable in some ways than Raw.

We're Raw, and for like, there were different aspects of Raw that kind of like unnerved me. For me, it was the the hazing of like, oh wow, is this what Vet school is like in Belgium? Like that was very upsetting to me and made it that movie kind of like I was so uncomfortable the entire movie, Whereas with Titan Titan, I like that I'm correcting myself even though I don't know how to actually say it. There was. It was just because I think because it is more like plot driven maybe in a way that I was never uncomfortable watching this movie.

Yeah, I I never I never was either, And it doesn't take a lot honestly, like yeah, oh, honestly. The worst part for me, I'll be real is when she has to do like a quick transformation to portray this this missing boy and she like has to like punch yourself break her nose, And I was. A little much, Well, you know, you gotta do what you gonna do. A couple of other quick things about Julie de Kerno that I found interesting, and I think I remember learning this with Raw. Her parents are both doctors.

Uh yeah, I think I did read that when I read about Raw. That makes sense to some of the stuff, right well, I think because there's a like aside from the physical and probably like medical knowledge of that this sort of uh what is it like that sort of like surgeon's view of the body and being very on what like just the the lack of fear she seems to have with body stuff, right, with showing the body, with destroying the body, with breaking the body, like just all the fits like the like I can't imagine her wincing at anything on the pit, Like there's just something about that that I find really like sterile and interesting. I guess, yeah. Yeah, when you when you have that level of desensitization for lack of a better word, with the body, you can do different.

So many other things because you're not afraid of things, so you you know, you explore things, and I think a lot of us would not think to. And then the other thing was she talked about like influences and said obviously like everybody obviously you can say like oh Cronenberg, right because of crash and yeah, of course, but she also said one of the director that for her is like the most meaningful director is Passolini. Oh that I can see that. Yeah, It's it's a beautiful movie, like it's it really is very sweeping and contemplating at times. And I think the the the relationships between characters and like we're saying it's a love story and we don't understand between who, but I believe it that it's a love story, that there is this sort of just it's they're real human emotions and connections, even if I don't understand them in the least.

M hmm, yeah, good, good pick us. Yea, indeed, all right, So why don't we take a quick break because we both have to obviously go like start the boiling lobsters and braising the bully base for and Julia, Oh boy, do you need a break anything? Okay, So my timer went off and I you know, actually was awake for it and did properly take the roast out. So now it's resting, so we are good to proceed with talking about Julie and Julia. Mm hmm.

Now what is your uh, there's a lot of different ways to go about this one, and again I'll give a quick like why this had any interest in me? I picked up Julie and Julia the book at a used at a library book sell and it was curious, just mostly because I love cooking, I love food writing. I really enjoy reading books about food and about cooking, and I knew this was obviously like a very you know, big hit when it came out. So I read the book. I was kind of mixed on The book had things I liked and things I less, So I thought it was a very specifically interesting moment in time book in a lot of ways, and I think that's true of the movie as well.

Absolutely. Now the movie is a combination of that book and a other biography of Julia Child and some of her letters and so on. I remember when this came out, I had absolutely no interest in seeing this. At some point I would have because of my long stewing. One of these days, I'll get to it, my attempt to watch all the Best Actress nominees because Meryl Street was nominated for US Actress for this movie.

The things I had always heard about it was that half of the movie is great and the other half is not. And again, after I read the book, I was like, I'm really curious of what this movie is in two thousand and nine, written and directed by Nora E. Fron departed recently, and sorry, I was a little fly on my computer. Nora Evra not somebody I have a strong relationship with. I do.

I'd read one of her books. Actually this week I read one of her novels and I found it The writing was delightful, certain other aspects of it less so, but I was kind of wow, she's got a great voice on the page. And more importantly, Nora Efron is the screenwriter on My Blue Heaven. Yes, which is one of my favorite movies. Yes, she is baked into my DNA.

Non, I would not be who I am today had she not been working. Yeah. Also, fun fact she wrote that movie probably because her husband was writing Goodfellas, And I love the idea that, like, he would come home and tell her all these stories about Goodfellas and she's like, yeah, that's interesting, okay, and then she's like, I'm gonna make something different out of this and made Mid Heaven. But anyway, all that being said, that's why I was curious. Abou Julie and Julia, you had not seen this movie before either, No, I own this movie.

I have seen this movie. You had seen this movie? Yeah, but I got it the second it came out on DBD. I remember adding it to Netflix and bumping it up the top of my discs because this movie was filmed when I lived right down the street from where she got the blogster. I mean, I thought so much about you watching this because I knew they're in Queen so I was somewhere near where you were.

So so they live in Long Island City proper behind the smokestacks in Long Island city closer to the Pepsi sign if you're familiar with the Long Island city. So I lived in a story of proper. When she goes and gets the lobster, she is at a blue awning seafood shack on the corner right outside the thirtieth av stop. That's my old stop. That's where I lived.

I would get off at that stop. And I remember when they had to close the fish store down to do filming over there. Oh man, I believe it's a fishmonger. I don't know why I called it a store, but I do remember that. So I was really invested.

So like, there was that one time that I almost walked into Matthew Broderick coming home from getting broccoli fried rice because they were filming Tower Heist. And then there was that one time I saw Russell Brand when they were filming Arthur, like I kind of. I didn't actually watch either of those two movies, but I thought, oh, this movie has Meryl Streep in it. I will watch the movie that they filmed right by my house the moment I can watch it, because that's very cool. YEA.

Needless to say, I was nonplused the first time I saw this movie that Amy Adam's whole half of it is boring and stupid and try and silly and. Just doesn't it just doesn't work. No, I want it to work, and it was. Just you read the book, Emily, you read the book. Is she that dislikable in her own writing?

I mean yes, and no, I think I don't mean to be mean. She's give the nicest woman alive, but the depiction of her is so not pleasant. It is. It's fascinating because reading the book I knew I mean, I remember having seen again previews of it, like I knew the general consensus. Yeah, and the book so again I put myself back in time right to being Okay, imagine being twenty nine, like I mean in both swissports some time right twenty nine, living in New York, working a crappy job, having like creative juices that you are trying to find an outlet for and you find it right and so reading it like there's for me and a book I think is so different too, because you were like you are so directly in the person's head.

And it's funny because the Nora Efron book I mentioned Heartburn was similar where I'm like I kind of hate this woman, but I love the writing, so I'm there for it. And with Julie and Julia it wasn't I think it was more like I didn't like her that much on the page either, but I understood her. I could see, like, you know, I knew this person. There's other aspects in the book too that are that the movie doesn't do. One of which is that like, there's no reason for it to come out in the movie, but in the book she mentioned she is pcos or peacos, which is just an interesting thing because it also like, oh, okay, I connect to this.

I understand this woman's life now. When she talks about being chubby and Harry, it's like, Okay, I get that. I get this. And instead, then the mood in the movie, you have Amy Adams whining about getting fat and. You're way down fluctuate at all.

Amy Adams play this character where they gave her a bad haircut. I'll agree to that she looks awful in this movie, because that is one very unfortunate haircut for a woman. But I'm sorry, you cannot make a woman buy Women for Women where a character is cooking French recipes every night and have not gained a pound but is complaining about being fat, but is also still married to Christmasina, who also is like there's aspects of it that you're just like, oh God, did you not think about anything here? No, it is supposed to be the real part of it. Then it's just so.

That's a really good point that that was supposed to be the real, relatable and grounded section of it. And it felt like, I don't not to use a schizophrenic, I just can't think of another word. It was like I didn't understand. The characters kept directly telling me how they felt, but I could not understand why anyone felt that. Ever, Like Christmas Sina was so fucking on board and I get that time is passing, and then all of a sudden, like so done with her right, And I was just like, I don't quite get other than the fact that you're telling me that's what's happening, I don't understand why we're here.

Yeah, And I mean that obviously in the book, you're seeing the journey, you're seeing the excitement, you're seeing the frustration. You're understanding that, like this is hard on him too, because it ends up being a lot of work in different ways, and she's going through stuff and so that's affecting him something. I think that is like a total lost opportunity that could have been. An interesting contrast is in the book and this is real life, Julia Powell and her husband were high school sweethearts, like they were. They're the only two people they have ever dated, Like, they've been together since they were sixteen, and you know, Julia Child.

The contrast to that is Julia Child is like a woman in her thirties when she finally meets her husband, and you know, there is something like to that of Okay, this is like a fundamental difference. And this is a fundamental aspect of this relationship, is that you know, like if you're with like, because otherwise these people just seem miserable together kind of yeah uh, And it's hard to ever get a hold on their relationship and on like who's at fault here? Who's not? Like is it? I Like, I liked the idea of her being imperfect and her being moody and temperamental and getting excited by this and not but especially twenty years later, when like blog culture is obviously was a very very short window of life.

It just feels so annoying every time she says my readers, no, I know, and I don't. I it feels weird to be like, boy, Nora Efron, you really failed this person, or boy Amy Adams, because I have no I have no evidence that these women are capable of that level of failure. So I just feel like there almost has to be something deliberate to how like shrill she comes across. I also just read that Julie Powell has since passed Yeah, probably yeah, and it was probably COVID related, and that makes me very sad because like, clearly she had an interesting perspective. She was like an og where I mean we come, we come from blogging.

That's such a weird thing to say, no, but it's true. It was. It opened a door to writers who didn't have forums to write, yeah exactly, and connect with people. That's how you and I met. It truly democratized something that had not been and since is not again we've lost that.

But like you said, it captures a very like electric exciting anything as possible specific time. So in that regard, she's very easy to root for, Like, I want to see you fucking succeed because I want me to succeed. And if you can do it, anybody can. And I think that's the story's real strength. But I don't know that that's what this movie is because we don't get her writing.

Like when she's writing, it feels it doesn't feel good. It knows she's like clacking away, like I made this last night. You're like, that's not like people are reading this. And then yes, there's struggle, like I imagine part of the struggle of doing that every day would be writing about it as well, like finding eloquent words or new ways to present ideas. But she never struggles with the craft, no, And I was I was listening into an interview to the Taste podcast, which is usually like you know, chefs and food writers and stuff, and there's a woman named Rachel Kong who was a restaurant critic and like worked for various like food publications and is now like a novelist and fiction writer, and she was talking about like the You're saying, like, well, do you miss food writing?

And she's like, I don't miss finding adjectives to say delicious. That food writing really hard when you do it a long time, because yes, you're eating new food and there's exciting things, but the end of the day, you are ultimately always writing about the same thing, which is how it tastes. And there's only so many words in the English dictionary that can describe how something tastes. And instead of seeing her struggle with that, we see her keep answering the phone and getting phone calls about how great she is. And that's not fun to watch.

Yeah, is does she? I don't remember if it was actually in the movie, or even maybe it's just in the book or it doesn't exist. But did she say she has like a DHD or is there any hype of. A good question? I because she was presented to me as like a manic pixie dream girl who you then find out actually, you know, might be on the spectrum, like but like in a lovable way, like I loved.

It, it was great. I just don't know if that was explicit in the text or if that was just my read on it. I don't remember it. She does feel like at a certain point, like when she has had one of those like one day it's great and then the next day she's you know, throwing the boue based on the ground and digging it up their hands. It felt very much.

I'm like, please tell me you're seeing a therapist, because obviously probably need to be on medication, because this is not a normal swing for somebody to have without talking to a professional about it. That is exactly how I kind of felt. I there was an aspect of this. I guess that that was so unhinged that it felt like unhealthy and manic Pixie Dreams girl adjacent, like like like she ain't being cute, she's not well, like, she's not okay, and I but I get like it's because, as we'll probably get into, it's not the whole movie, so we really only have these little little bites of it. So I do understand how difficult it would be to relate that through this kind of like half story, but I don't.

I don't know, man well. And it's funny because I was thinking a little bit both when I watched this and when I read the book, which is now months ago, so it's gotten a little fuzzy in my head. But something that is interesting on the page to me was her commitment and intensity to this thing, right, And we talked about this when we talked about the Novice right this like when you are a person who gets something in your head that you have to do, you can become really unbearable to be around because you have decided you have to do it and other things are going to go to the wayside. So the idea that like, I've committed to making all these recipes and blogging about them, and I have to do it at the expense of everything else.

It again, like on the I never doubted her reading the book. It always made sense to me of what you did. But in the movie again where it was just like it's unbearable to actually watch, Yeah, it is. It is very whiplashy, her her moods and where we're at, and the story at any given. Time feels very jeans and sneakers in bed, which made me very upset.

Yep, yep, all while understanding how a stressful something, especially people someone with a hyperfixation. The reason I said, but he said before is because what you said that holding yourself accountable to the point where it hurts you is something that I will do right, So, like that is relatable and interesting, But like I don't feel like Christmasina never said, Julie, you're driving yourself up a wall. For this he was. He never beseeched her about her own health, and then the next time they got into a fight or she acted out, he gets mad and says like, oh, I told you you need to figure this out because I can't keep doing this with you. I just never they never felt like they were real people.

Yeah, no, it's true. One other thing that's I think, does know that I found worked in an odd way on the Julie side or Julie side, was the her job. That Oh definitely, that definitely that informed the character more than I think almost anything else in the movie. And it felt weirdly ahead of its time in sort of addressing and I know there's terms for it, and I can't think of any of the moment, but like the sort of emotional weight of dealing with other people's emotional weight, yeah, right, like people who work at call centers or therapists or you know. And it came up a like I feel like it came like it was something I wasn't ever thinking of or wasn't seeing like broadly discussed until COVID happened, and then suddenly it was understanding how hard it is to be a caregiver during a crisis.

Because you're taking on everybody's sadness and horrors and all that. And so she works a very kind of menial, kind of secretarial job, but it means she has to answer the phone on people who were injured or still suffering the effects of nine to eleven. And it could be real, it could be not real, it could be cons it could be people that are directly affected or indirectly affected. And just like seeing how that kind of like war on her, I thought was a really smart thing for the film to do, and it also grounded it in a very New York way, So I liked that aspect on camera. Yeah, I can agree that any of the Yes, I I don't want to speak it.

I know it's it's hard because I came a movie about unlikable women because it feels like this should be something we're defending, but it doesn't work. It just feels like that. I wish Nora Efron had chosen to approach it from a slightly different angle. And I don't know, because then you have the Julia stuff which I talk about. Whiplash is so lived in, wholesome and sweet, and oh my god, everyone's just so fucking charismatic.

Charisma is just shooting. You've got Meryl Stanley Tucci playing a married couple who are deeply, deeply in love with each other, Like kill me now. It's perfect. It's so charming and even like it never feels heavy handed. It's like it can be sacred, it can be like dramatic, but it's not like oh boy, and like her getting I felt it's I almost cried when she got the cookbook at the end, like yeah, that I was so in I know how that ends too, Like I know, Julia Child becomes Julia Child.

This movie has me fucking root for a woman I know wins like I don't know. It was just so human, right, that was the difference. That Julia stuff felt so human and the Julie stuff felt like someone's impression of like a woman in two thousand and two, which is so funny. Because when you think about it, the Julia stuff is so like what's the word I'm looking for? Like you're building these sets very extensively, right, You've got you have to make sure they had to put Meryl Streep in, you know, put her on a on an apple cart, apple box, Yeah, and do force perspective and obviously her hair is probably a wig, and like all of these things that are in the Julia stuff that are so artificial because you're also you know, everybody is wearing probably girdles and hats and such, and like it's so of its time.

So it felt feels so like, oh, as soon as they called cut, everybody had to be like, WHOA, get this thing off of me. So in theory, like like that should feel more produced and more artificial, but there's so much around that that just you're just like like sitting back and leaning in and like you're there for that, and it feels genuine, whereas the Jewlie stuff feels like hot actress cosplaying as like kind of dowdy girl but not full dowdy girl, and it's so weird. It's very strange and and I it's I don't know, I get I get why each adapting each thing would be a challenge, but it really feels like, uh, Nora Rose to the Jewel a challenge because it feels like such a more cohesive, rounded story as well, and like all of the people in the Julia story in her orbit like matter and come back and play a part.

But the like at the beginning of Julie's story. She meets with all those very famous women to have like lunch, and then they never show up again. They forgot about it, like Hacey Wilson and water Fly from death Proof and like uh, Marylynn Rice Combe like this whole idea of how. Like, oh, her friends are all more professional than she is and live different lives and it's so hard to be her and we never see them again. Yeah, Marylyn Rice going back?

When I comes back, I think she continues to be a friend. But that doesn't it doesn't play into the so it made it be like, so you just showed me that, so I would feel bad. But why do I feel bad for her? She can't afford to go get lunch with that, I don't Oh my god. She's buying lobster and really like good prime beef.

I'm a local butcher that she fucks up once and has to make all over again. What is her job again? What is her husband's job? Like? How are they affording all of this?

Yeah? Pretty big kitchen for queens. I did think about how she complained and how it looks like my kitchen now, and it made me a little like that's another thing, Like I guess maybe our idea of what living Riftley looked like in two thousand and nine slash two thousand and two, when her part was actually set like, it made me bitter. I was like, fucking wish I could afford to live there, right, Yeah, I wish I didn't get priced out of Long Island City. Like.

But so that's me. I'm bringing that to the same. But even even in two thousand and nine, though, it felt a little like disingenuous because I, like I said, I watched it right after it came out, so I watched it then and did like it and felt like it was not accurately portraying something that literally was kind of happening. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

It was strange because I really came into it knowing that the one thing I knew about this movie was that everybody loved the Julia stuff and hated the most. And I mean you and I are similar in that way, like we don't want to be the norm, we don't want to go with the majority. I'm gonna love the Julie stuff. I bet they just didn't understand it. I bet they just didn't like it because it was about a complicated woman, and I'm like, oh man, everybody.

Was right, yes, and it's it. I just skimmed the IMDb reviews. I didn't like go deep or anything, but there were a bunch of them that were just like the first line was like too much Jewelie, not enough Julie. I like, it's real hack and shit and I don't but like, I hate that. I agree with that because I like the idea, the the because this was never you know, the Julie and Julia as the novel, the novel, not the novel.

The memor I guess was not you know. There are actually like Julia Child interspersions, like every couple of chapters. They'll be sort of like an imagined conversation of Julia Child. But it's not a big part of the book. It's very, very very fleeting, And I like the idea.

It made sense on paper of I want to adapt this memoir, but I don't just want to tell a story about a woman cooking through a cookbook for a year. I don't think that's a movie. But what would be a movie is if I sort of, you know, kind of interspersed that with Julia Child and when she found her voice right, because that's what this movie is really about. It's about two women finding their voices as writers, as creators through food, through their love of food, through their love of cooking, both of them having supportive husbands there who are there to pull them up and to just be there in the background and taste things and love them and everything and totally different eras and the whole idea. And this really did happen that Julia Child read like a little bit of Julia's blog and or Julie's blog and said, like, youw too much cursing.

No, she doesn't understand it. I don't want anything to do with this woman. That was real. Julia Child did not have any respect for Julie Powell, and it was crushing to Julie Powell, which makes sense. But Julie Powell did kind of get over it and say, like, but I made something that made a lot of people happy.

I have thousands of people who read what I did and who are now reading my book, and it's okay, I got something out of this, And isn't that great? All of this, as I'm saying it out loud, is beautiful And I want that movie, but I don't know how that movie was supposed to. It could have gone right. I don't know if it was just creative decisions in the Julie stuff or if that was just never gonna work on camera. I'm not sure.

I think it could have. I think it's so clear because it's the story. It's Julia's story too. She wanted to make French cooking accessible and there was an aspect of that in her story where people didn't necessarily like that or think there was a place for that. So her looking through time and kind of telling Julie the same thing could have been handled in a way that helped Julie learn that she needs to truly embody her hero and not care whatever anybody else thinks and push through.

But that wasn't presented. She just took pictures with her picture. Good god, you're right. Julie learns nothing in this movie. But that's what I mean.

So she just I guess she just gets over it. But like how I know that's what she gets, and she gets like. Hey, my my detractors, My my detractors might exist, but the people who celebrate me and the people that got something from me are so great. It's undeniable and that's Julia's story too. She offered something so undeniable that she could not be stopped.

And that's what Julie. I don't know, it just it was right, It was all right there. It just it felt like, instead of having any type of like journey, Julie, just like I said, she ends up in the Julia Child Museum taking pictures with her picture and I just think, why, like why why aren't you still bitter? Why aren't you still angry? No one told me other than the passage of time, which doesn't work.

No, Yeah, yeah, this is I don't know. It was an interesting one. It is because it's an ambitious movie. It's I love the idea of telling a story in a way that you know, this was not the way you had to tell the story. And maybe there's a reason for that because it didn't work.

I admire the ambition. I am very disappointed in the result. Yeah, me too. And I think it's that that kind of disappoint disappointment that's reserved for when something could have been really great. And it because the Julia stuff is so great, and then you have something like Bewitched, which is so great in my opinion, that.

One of these days to. Be meta and also its own original story, which this kind of does. It's like meta, but it's but I don't know. Yeah, well, I do want to say one thing before we go, because my cat has been meowing the entire time. I think it's important that she wants to know that if she was in this movie, there is no way that Julie would have let that roast go all night, because remember that she sinks through.

The alarm goes off and she sinks through it. Because I will have you know, my cat kit is a little fire detector, and when I'm cooking something and burning it, or when something is like when I've preheated the oven and not realizing that there's like oil in there and it's smoking, my cat freaks out. She will run around me owing and I'm like, what's the problem, what's up? Not really, and then I'm like, oh, I should go check the kitchen. And every time I open the oven and it's like, oh, they're smoking there.

So just saying like, even the cat in this movie not a great cat. I that actually, in all seriousness, that cat was not a great actor, Like you could see him looking off screen to his person. There am I getting a trade for this because I have to look at that haircut all week. I loved the cat. I'm just being very critical of its performance.

Yeah yeah, but it was so cute. I do kind of want this movie from that cat's point of view because that must have been a nightmare. Like, oh okay, I mean I can eat a lot of this food. That's great, but also this feels wrong. The kitchen is a mess.

God like, oh there was I like also like and now I'm getting picky, but the food should have been more exciting in this movie because nor Efron loves food and like she writes about food beautifully. But it just I didn't want to eat like anything in this movie. Some of Julia's stuff was cool and I liked food wise, but most of it was actually not around like the literal food I was being. Shown, but more of the way she reacted, yes, oh yeah, when she's eating butter right, and she like takes that bite like that that is and this is I think, and like, this is one of those performances that I think a lot of actors can look at when it's like when you're trying to channel like pure physical joy. Watch Meryl Streep eat a cremberlet in Julie and Julia because you will see it.

You will see how it's funny because I was thinking of this that and again not to just beat on Amy Adams, who I love, but and there is a scene where the two of them are watching SNL. They're watching the dan Ackroy Julia Child sketch and eat, oh my god, like somebody needs the same way. I think film makers like every now and then have to be reminded that we don't like watching writers write on film. It's not interesting. It is not fun to watch characters watch a comedy and laugh because it's just the two of them like on the couch together, like laughing.

But it feels like it goes on for like a minute and it's just uncomfortablecause there's something really weird about it and it just. Feels like it's very inauthentic. Yeah, and you just wonder how many takes that took, how they had to do it. Whereas again, like Beryl Streep takes a bite out of something and closes her eyes and makes a noise and you're like, I can taste that. Yeah, It's I love watching people laugh because it makes me laugh, Like I I that's one of the reasons why I watch YouTube videos because I like it.

It's I find it infectious. But again, people are really not feeling it. It's like, hey, we're all uncomfortable here. So I really don't know what the point. Of this was.

It's that that seems specifically encapsulated. The way they were like joking about it and laughing at it really felt like the type of I guess that you would say geriatric millennial, but I don't think it was necessarily us, but like the really you young gen zoh gen x before us, that like adulting is hard kind of attitude. Yeah, that like ooh awesome. It felt like a person that would earnestly say that. And I just that sensibility.

I don't understand. I don't get it. I guess that's we could talk about this movie for one hundred years and I would still just trail off and say I don't understand. Which I feel similar. Like that statement could have also been applied to Tatan, but in a different way.

Totally different to and do you know what one of them? I enjoyed not not understanding. There we go. There. I was flum mixed by the Julie part of this movie.

That's my official review. It was, yeah, I was. I was just disappointed that I couldn't find anything that I hoped would disprove common sentiment. But it's true. It is just unpleasant and not there's nothing there for you.

And then you get to the Julia stuff and it's just a delight. And I wonder if anybody has done like fan edits where they just cut the film in half. I mean, yeah, it was really the Julia stuff was really really it was. It was just lovely. Yeah, well that was our lady double or Julie, Julie, Julia's two, Julia's one, Julie.

There we go, all right, well we'll be back eventually with something else. We don't know just what yet, but who can say Until then, get yourself a cat who will detect when there is something burning in your oven. I think that's really cool. It is so like she is going to save her lives one day, if she hasn't already. But like, no, it's helpful, it's very helpful.

I love that. I love I love a hyper aware and just panicked all the time, ready to go. There was one day when I was cooking something and I can't. It was something like a pretty high heat, so like you could like kind of smell that there was. It was getting like a little smokey and everything.

And Brennan actually comes in the kitchen he's like, is everything okay? And I look at him. I'm like, see can't. She's fine, Like she's she's sleeping, like she's on the chair, she's in the kitchen and she's not freaking out. We're okay.

Yeah. No, that's how I now use my barometer of like, yeah, I guess I do need to clean the oven. Beper cooking is if my catriacs. That's so funny. Yeah, that's right.

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