The Filmumentaries Podcast
· Season 1 · Episode 157 · Latest episodeEp 157 | ILM’s John Knoll on The Mandalorian and Grogu — motion control, stop motion and gaussian splats
John Knoll is Chief Creative Officer at ILM and visual effects supervisor on The Mandalorian and Grogu, the first time Mando and Grogu have been on a cinema screen. He describes two forces pulling against each other. It had to feel like it came from the same group of people who made the series, which meant keeping the handcrafted approach — puppets, creatures in rubber masks, motion control miniatures, stop motion.
But roughly forty-five per cent of the film is IMAX, and you compose and cut differently for a hundred-foot screen. Fewer quick cuts, more headroom, room around the frame for peripheral vision. IMAX had sent ILM a document about all this years ago. John decided simulating the room beat following the notes, so they built an Apple Vision Pro app that puts you in an IMAX auditorium, seats and all, looking at the live feed off the video taps.
They used it on set to check composition, and later to check animation and action scenes before they were finished. The stop motion went to Tippett, who spent the better part of a year animating a two-minute fight between Mando and two droids. The Razor Crest is a forty-eight inch miniature, double the size of the one built for the series, and John finally got to shoot it in an LED volume — built in part from panels salvaged off a decommissioned StageCraft stage.
He’d been chasing that since season one, when he tried building a foam core enclosure and projecting onto it. It sort of worked, right up until Favreau wanted the flight path changed. We also cover Rotta the Hutt, who turned out to be the hardest thing in the film. A Hutt who moves fast reads as funny on the page and is difficult to put on screen. Does he move like a snake, an inchworm, a snail? They landed on elephant seals, and then on a barrel roll.
Plus the cameras — a Sony ILX-LR1 for daylight exteriors at the Ranch, and a Canon 5D Mark IV out of ILM’s equipment cupboard for the interiors. Gaussian splats for the Razor Crest interior, shot in twenty minutes and used from any angle he wanted. Keeping a coherent look across five vendors with Doug Chiang riding the designs through post. And two shots containing an original 1976 Y-wing, on loan from the Lucas Museum for a single day, with two museum staff watching the whole time.
This podcast is completely independent and made possible by listener support. If you’d like to help me keep making these episodes, you can join my Patreon community here: https://patreon.com/jamiebenning
Watch more on YouTube:
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But roughly forty-five per cent of the film is IMAX, and you compose and cut differently for a hundred-foot screen. Fewer quick cuts, more headroom, room around the frame for peripheral vision. IMAX had sent ILM a document about all this years ago. John decided simulating the room beat following the notes, so they built an Apple Vision Pro app that puts you in an IMAX auditorium, seats and all, looking at the live feed off the video taps.
They used it on set to check composition, and later to check animation and action scenes before they were finished. The stop motion went to Tippett, who spent the better part of a year animating a two-minute fight between Mando and two droids. The Razor Crest is a forty-eight inch miniature, double the size of the one built for the series, and John finally got to shoot it in an LED volume — built in part from panels salvaged off a decommissioned StageCraft stage.
He’d been chasing that since season one, when he tried building a foam core enclosure and projecting onto it. It sort of worked, right up until Favreau wanted the flight path changed. We also cover Rotta the Hutt, who turned out to be the hardest thing in the film. A Hutt who moves fast reads as funny on the page and is difficult to put on screen. Does he move like a snake, an inchworm, a snail? They landed on elephant seals, and then on a barrel roll.
Plus the cameras — a Sony ILX-LR1 for daylight exteriors at the Ranch, and a Canon 5D Mark IV out of ILM’s equipment cupboard for the interiors. Gaussian splats for the Razor Crest interior, shot in twenty minutes and used from any angle he wanted. Keeping a coherent look across five vendors with Doug Chiang riding the designs through post. And two shots containing an original 1976 Y-wing, on loan from the Lucas Museum for a single day, with two museum staff watching the whole time.
This podcast is completely independent and made possible by listener support. If you’d like to help me keep making these episodes, you can join my Patreon community here: https://patreon.com/jamiebenning
Watch more on YouTube:
Check out the Filmumentaries YouTube channel for behind-the-scenes clips and extra content: https://youtube.com/filmumentaries
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About this show
Twice monthly conversations between film historian Jamie Benning and the craftspeople that helped create the movies we love. From visual effects and editing to sound design and art direction.
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All episodes (165)
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40:27Season 1 · Episode 9191 - Jeremy Coon - Director/Editor of A Disturbance in the Force
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1:05:12Season 1 · Episode 9090! - Robodoc - The Creation of Robocop - With Gary Smart, Eastwood Allen and Chris Griffiths
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1:01:27Season 1 · Episode 8989 - Vic Pratt & Doug Weir - BFI Halloween Special
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1:26:25Season 1 · Episode 8888 - Mac Smith - Supervising Sound Editor - Skywalker Sound
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1:07:27Season 1 · Episode 8787 - Doug Weir - Technical and Remastering Lead at BFI
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56:28Season 1 · Episode 8686 - Charmaine Chan - ILM Supervisor on "The Creator"
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57:52Season 1 · Episode 8585 - Pablo Helman - VFX Supervisor for Spielberg, Scorsese and Fincher
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1:11:51Season 1 · Episode 8484 - Mandalorian / Obi Wan Kenobi Emmy Sound Special - Matthew Wood, David W Collins and Danielle Dupre
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49:31Season 1 · Episode 8383 - Mandalorian VFX Emmy Special - Grady Cofer and Hal Hickel
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1:03:02Season 1 · Episode 8282 - Andor VFX Emmy Special - Mohen Leo, TJ Falls, Scott Pritchard
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1:11:23Season 1 · Episode 8181 - Kevin McTurk - Puppet Film Director and Creature Effects Artist
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1:00:42Season 1 · Episode 8080 - Richard Van Den Bergh - Special Effects Supervisor
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44:49Season 1 · Episode 7979 - Miki Herman - Lucasfilm Production Manager
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1:02:28Season 1 · Episode 7878 - Stu Phillips - Composer - Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider etc
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1:17:02Season 1 · Episode 7777 - Co-Producer Jim Bloom - Return Jedi Unauthorized Timeline Book
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38:28Season 1 · Episode 7676 - Michael Harte - Editor of "Still: A Michael J Fox Movie"
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1:03:33Season 1 · Episode 7575 - Peter Kuran - VFX Artist and Director
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1:19:29Season 1 · Episode 7274 - Todd Vaziri - ILM VFX Artist
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1:10:06Season 1 · Episode 7373 - Mike Dawson - Special Effects (Supervisor) - Superman, Return of the Jedi, Indiana Jones
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1:09:10Season 1 · Episode 7171 - Van Ling - VFX Supervisor, DVD Creator, Cameron Collaborator
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1:09:46Season 1 · Episode 7070 - Patrick Read Johnson - Director of 5-25-77
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1:04:54Season 1 · Episode 6969 - Ken Ralston - VFX Legend - Star Wars, Star Trek, BTTF
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1:40:45Season 1 · Episode 6868 - Hal Hickel - ILM VFX Animator - Toy Story, Rango, The Phantom Menace, Rogue One etc
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1:23:36Season 1 · Episode 6767 - Jean Bolte - ILM Digital Texture Artist
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